#trilema | 2015-01-04

mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!

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00:24

iff

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;;ud iff

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gribble

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=IFF | i'm fucked foundation- I.F.F ...derived from the G.F.F, Grenade Free Foundation. " Ronny is officially part of the IFF" -The situation. by lovelybuttons45 August 06, ...

00:25

but yes. a ministry which curates torrents.

00:25

misfire.

00:27

" When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British soft power, to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War."

00:27

orlov is uniquely clueless huh.

00:27

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18216 @ 0.00062103 = 11.3127 BTC [-] {2}

00:27

what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ?

00:27

it already has a shape.

00:28

it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional.

00:29

"They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a b) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians."

00:30

right. obama did holdomor nao o.O

00:37

the Sh C O is a good point tho.

00:38

"And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain."

00:38

which is what scotland is.

00:39

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6282 @ 0.00064661 = 4.062 BTC [+] {3}

00:39

this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined.

00:40

which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog.

00:40

!up ascii_modem

00:40

danke!

00:41

a wait, he actually identifies it. kay.

00:42

half your population must reside abroad under fake identities << see chuck palahniuk's hilarious 'pygmy', a tale about precisely this

00:43

right.

00:43

it's not something i came up with, by any means.

00:44

BingoBoingo "HTTPS fairs poorly" fares

00:44

!up binaryatrocity

00:44

BingoBoingo would like this one

00:44

who're you binaryatrocity ?

00:45

cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades.

00:45

"The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees."

00:45

"the nsa has nothing."

00:47

<ascii_modem> cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children

00:49

kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation.

00:50

every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there"

00:50

bootstrap ?

00:51

ascii_modem: Web design turd

00:51

ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike.

00:52

i thought that was the dope used therein

00:52

or the indian rent-an-artists

00:57

ben_vulpes:oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point? << yes. rejected because heavy.

00:57

ascii_modem: Here's the sphincter from which bootstrap turd emerges http://getbootstrap.com/

00:58

Bootstrap · The world's most popular mobile-first and responsive front-end framework. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkgbuT )

00:58

lol

00:58

i am ever so grateful that stupidity always and everywhere advertises itself specifically.

00:58

"mobile first" eh ?

00:58

it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark.

00:59

ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash

00:59

this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge.

01:00

in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'.

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o.O

01:01

on mips ?

01:02

orly

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on hell knows what, haven't popped it yet

01:03

'botvac-80'

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http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_5901_1.html

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... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQehd )

01:06

;;google vax sucks

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gribble

VAX - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/V/VAX.html>; Nothing sucks like a vax - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: <http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Nothing+sucks+like+a+vax>; OpenBSD/vax: <http://www.openbsd.org/vax.html>

01:07

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2014#962022 <<< this reminds me of an older discussion with decimation

01:07

Logged on 30-12-2014 21:19:05; BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/30/report_finds_police_officers_killed_on_duty_spiked_in_2014.html

01:08

fluffypony the story is linked directly under the line you referenced.

01:09

;;google vladimir marchenko

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gribble

Vladimir Marchenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Marchenko>; Marchenko biography: <http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Marchenko.html>; Vladimir Marchenko (@Vladimirsuccess) | Twitter: <https://twitter.com/vladimirsuccess>

01:11

meh, not the ukrainian math guy.

01:11

http://www.benzinga.com/tech/13/05/3563567/meet-the-22-most-important-people-behind-bitcoin << there, lol.

01:11

Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQFb2 )

01:12

people you never heard about pushed by writers you never heard about on venues you never heard about. it's all very web2.0 an' sophisticated.

01:12

how finley ended up "behind bitcoin" is anyone's guess, but hey.

01:13

these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals.

01:13

"Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list,

01:13

because he can python so well.

01:14

and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something.

01:14

maybe it just goes away.

01:14

maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened.

01:15

ahaha waaait, diablo!

01:16

"22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations.

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In addition, McFarland is a BitcoinTalk forum moderator."

01:16

the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted.

01:17

the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted.

01:17

ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff.

01:24

asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose.

01:26

(discussed in more detail http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#footnote_0_50163 )

01:26

The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bklg6A )

01:27

that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid.

01:27

outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material.

01:27

shakespeare did it.

01:29

decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents << everyone in bitcoin is and can.

01:29

!up Fun1

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Fun1

:)

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who're you ?

01:32

hm doth that mean ddoser kid is back ?

01:39

neways, enough excitement for one day. laters!

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02:30

!up smidge

02:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7554 @ 0.00063361 = 4.7863 BTC [-]

02:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43413 @ 0.00064829 = 28.1442 BTC [+] {2}

02:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8537 @ 0.00065221 = 5.5679 BTC [+]

02:52

!up Fun

02:52

Hello Fun

02:52

hi

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:)

02:52

What brings you around these parts?

02:52

who here traded fx options?

02:52

mainly to get some info about cme fx options :D or find a channel for it

02:53

Ah, might find someone who does that

02:53

I have found cme home page for them yet to understand pricing :)

02:54

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble.html

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22061 @ 0.00063518 = 14.0127 BTC [-]

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http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/emerging-market/russian-ruble_quotes_globex_options.html

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Russian Ruble Options (RUB/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw9PXc )

03:00

put 0.001465

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so its 0.001465 per lot?

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1 lot is 2,500,500

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so 0.001465 is unlikely to be price per lot

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2,500,000

03:06

These are very interesting questions. You may need to wait for someone to wake up.

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np I am reading some help info on that site :D

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03:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11363 @ 0.0006331 = 7.1939 BTC [-] {2}

03:23

!up Fun

03:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6405 @ 0.00060887 = 3.8998 BTC [-]

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:)

03:25

such bot

03:25

oki time to do some shopping

03:28

<BingoBoingo> Dramafount continues https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r9l72/a_message_from_gaw/ <<< looks like he's now deleted his post and ran away

03:29

A message from GAW : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwdgNz )

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or deleted his account and left it.. or something.. [deleted] anyway

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cazalla: Well, at least he consistently builds the expectation that he's eventually going to delete fucking everything so people know to archive his bullshit

03:34

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00081983 = 1.6397 BTC [+] {9}

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2889 @ 0.00082441 = 2.3817 BTC [+] {6}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41784 @ 0.00060834 = 25.4189 BTC [-] {2}

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lulzy shit from their forum "I was just making the point that engagement with the wider crypto community was of little value to GAW, and here Reddit goes and makes a prime example for me."

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its useless to talk to such people

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It really is. Reddit sucks, but for different reasons that they think.

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I love Reddit

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hehe

03:51

oki time to do more stuff

03:53

The whole voting/gamification thing really encourages maximum participation from people probably should be participating closer to their potential minimum which is problematic.

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!up Fun

04:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060728 = 14.0889 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00064618 = 21.8409 BTC [+] {4}

04:15

fluffypony

"gawxed" is my new favourite term

04:15

fluffypony

maybe "gowxed" so it combines the best of both scams

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04:32

Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4052.66238705 BTC. Current weight: 12,403.

04:42

whilst out walking, i got to thinking - as the amount of bitcoin lost to theft decrease, at what point does it become a game of simply killing people who are known to be large holders resulting in no-one knowing the private key as to reduce the supply and increase the value of ones own holding occur?

04:44

https://www.belshe.com/2014/12/15/bitcoin-finally-an-asset-you-can-take-with-you/

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Bitcoin – Finally, An Asset You Can Take With You « Mike's Lookout ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3In9p )

04:45

cazalla, why not torture them and take their coins?

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but that's not applicable in every scenario as far as i can tell, an example being someone who is geographically removed from their cold storage

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all this being hypothetical but i would guess it is easier to snipe someone in public than gain entrace to their fortress

04:50

yeah but you don't get any tangible/immediate benefit

04:50

if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up?

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but you can't know that for sure? if you turn around and strangle him, at least you know with good certainity his coins would never be moved and in a practical sense, are now lost

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you can't know either way

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same with assassination. you don't know if they haven't shared the keys

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*escrowed

04:54

maybe his kid finds the key after 10 years in some old bookcase

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maybe you strangle the kid for good measure, i don't know

04:55

better kidnap the kid than this

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i'm not so sure.. if you kidnap satoshi's kid, maybe he pays the ransom but comes for you and yours once he has kid back.. can't know exactly how much he is holding or if he would part with all of them for his son

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and if you kill satoshi nobody goes after you? lol

05:02

cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure.

05:05

Bet placed: 10.92516805 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.

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Bet placed: 28.76818825 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4092.35574335 BTC. Current weight: 12,396.

05:09

punkman, what does the hypothetical rich man need to buy bitcoin for? if rich, surely he has them already in this future

05:13

you could do this now, why future?

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well, goes back to my question regarding killing over theft, not something that is happening now afaik, but in the future?

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cazalla: if your hypothetical killer has economical motives, I don't think it'd ever make sense not to try to steal/ransom.

05:25

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1400 @ 0.00085071 = 1.191 BTC [+] {3}

05:25

http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-2015-with-40-linux-friendly-hacker-sbcs/

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Ringing in 2015 with 40 Linux-friendly hacker SBCs · LinuxGizmos.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1rSruss )

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(raspberrypi alternatives and such)

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http://store.imgtec.com/us/product/mips-creator-ci20/

05:25

MIPS® Creator CI20 | Imagination Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1rSrwR4 )

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4082 @ 0.00084343 = 3.4429 BTC [-] {4}

05:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00063636 = 9.1668 BTC [-] {2}

05:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6595 @ 0.00063793 = 4.2071 BTC [+]

05:38

https://twitter.com/k8em0/status/550948199381233665

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/i0n1c I really did have to decrypt my HD flying through CDG in France. I really had nothing to hide, but that's not the point, is it?

05:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00062619 = 2.0977 BTC [-]

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06:20

http://libv.livejournal.com/

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00062619 = 8.8124 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12977 @ 0.00062419 = 8.1001 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00062738 = 6.9325 BTC [+] {2}

06:43

lol, hadn't seen this before http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/

06:43

MPEG-2 license key - Raspberry Pi Store ... ( http://bit.ly/1wOa9wg )

06:43

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00060727 = 4.4938 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5114 @ 0.00061663 = 3.1534 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.00083915 = 1.6783 BTC [+] {5}

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07:41

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00061663 = 3.5148 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2000 @ 0.000805 = 1.61 BTC [+]

08:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00061787 = 4.9121 BTC [+] {2}

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08:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19328 @ 0.00064865 = 12.5371 BTC [+] {2}

08:30

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3222 @ 0.00065181 = 2.1001 BTC [+]

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08:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13166 @ 0.00061489 = 8.0956 BTC [-] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00060471 = 2.2072 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00060497 = 1.1095 BTC [+]

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09:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00064878 = 1.1899 BTC [+]

09:34

!up Vexual

09:34

you're up late Vexual

09:35

is it?

09:35

mp still on vacation, i see - replies to a week's worth of logs, then vanishes by the time i'm awake

09:37

market rekt eh

09:37

it's this funny thing, the more btc i have, the less i care how much they're worth

09:38

it's gonna have to go to 0 or 5,000 for my cock to get hard, 250 isn't even foreplay

09:40

i wonder if linda evangalista still gets 10k a day?

09:41

it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier

09:42

Vexual, perhaps not these days http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2810892/Linda-Evangelista-49-goes-makeup-free-takes-view-balcony-Sydney-hotel.html

09:42

Linda Evangelista goes makeup-free from the balcony of her Sydney hotel | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1rTauCe )

09:44

finally some good news! https://btc-e.com/news/216

09:44

BTC-E | News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vMPLeK )

09:47

once you ride 32->2 it cant get much worse

09:51

1000-300 is worse if you-re worried about dollars

09:52

depends how much you bought in. if you had the same amount of fiat-equivalent through each slide, 32→2 is much more painful

09:57

every 10 dorra slip is about a year of living

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gone.

09:58

huh?

09:58

kakobrekla, kinda painful if viewed that way

09:59

its just what my nav sez!

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ah

09:59

;;calc 10000*366 nevermind gribbles not here

10:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7052 @ 0.00064878 = 4.5752 BTC [+]

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10:23

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.00075032 = 2.251 BTC [-] {6}

10:26

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00064878 = 3.035 BTC [+]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.0008999 = 1.7845 BTC [+] {5}

10:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00060796 = 15.4604 BTC [-]

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[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.0009337 = 4.6685 BTC [-] {13}

10:43

how long has gribble been gone?

10:44

a bit over 4 hours ago

10:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00060796 = 8.6282 BTC [-]

10:45

ping nanotube

10:45

!up nanotube

10:48

[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27211 @ 0.00005794 = 1.5766 BTC [+] {12}

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11:16

!up mircea_popescu

11:16

what is this scandal!

11:29

ther most incredible thing about that fun guy's link is that volume is 0 "?

11:30

wth instrument is that anyway.

11:32

;;later tell fun so you ever figure it out ?

11:32

oh for crying out loud.

11:33

nanotube help us help you. what's gribble need ?

11:35

BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ?

11:35

times 1k.

11:36

right, louder. i guess not being a total redneck retard helps internet scamming.

11:36

cazalla why would people with large holdings not have inheritance set up ?

11:36

not like it's 2011 and we're just figuring this novel bitcoin thing out

11:38

mircea_popescu, but would the son that inherits them be just as capable as the father who accumulated them?

11:38

maybe i got a little bit too much oxygen while walking, i unno

11:39

i didn't think of sons tbh. i guess that's what inheritance means.

11:39

no, if i go there's going to be a bunch of ninja vamps suddenly very rich.

11:39

if i were the world i'd be pretty fucking careful.

11:40

http://i.imgur.com/k79jIsM.gif

11:40

... ( http://bit.ly/1zMj97p )

11:41

lol

11:42

punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect.

11:43

coins are already technically out of circulation

11:43

punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure. <<< this is unavoidable. no ransom of the future will be anything but bitcoin.

11:43

the logistics of fiat paper make it useless for the purpose.

11:44

so brace yourselves, it's gonna be in teh media.

11:44

yes more ransoms plox to keeps the price ups

11:45

mircea_popescu: stop giving #b-a criminal ideas

11:45

"i won't interrupt this sketch for a pound."

11:45

srs i need meat to live.

11:45

kakobrekla manmeat ?

11:45

horse preferably.

11:45

zomg thestringpuller, it was clearly stated it was a hypothetical!

11:46

but it's totally a legit idea!

11:46

manhorsecock ?!

11:46

Kidnap someone with money, deliver ransom note, "pay in bitcoin or ELSE." You don't even have to have a drop point.

11:47

Once money is sent, release hostage. Move along.

11:47

The mexican's will have a field day when they figure it out.

11:47

i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs.

11:47

i wouldn't decrypt jack if they sat on their head. what the fuck is this, the future or some shit /

11:48

it may have to with the 'check if its real laptop or bombtop' thing

11:48

i dun care what words are coming out of their heads.

11:48

go ahead and check.

11:48

otherwise, go ahead and destroy it.

11:48

decryption does not happen. take it to nsa or whoever the fuck, they're smart righ ?

11:48

she prolly had the option to leave it there

11:49

i guess my mistake here is to imagine the problems of poor people are relevant / the problems of people.

11:49

"you can have your laptop back for a pound."

11:49

"o gosh jolly, wouldn't you rather take a blowjob instead ?"

11:50

you also carry and old ibm around no?

11:50

an*

11:50

last time i flew i carried something like 38 encrypted disks.

11:50

just the disks, too. interestingly enough, nobody cared.

11:50

did you have backups of those ?

11:51

myeah.

11:51

aha

11:51

also a pile of assorted laptops, batteries, various cards and processors

11:51

damn, that's a lot of porn

11:51

i was half expecting the customs say something, but they didn't.

11:52

but yeah, for the sake of fairness and balance : i dun recall ever having been hassled in any airport for any reason, except guatemala.

11:52

who are complete idiots and that country is the absolute asshole of the world, you're better off visiting the new delhi old dump.

11:53

cazalla it wasn't all porn!

11:54

adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier <<< guy's been here what, twelve weeks ? already enlightened.

11:55

"(2) Can you provide evidence that GAW actually mined (a) any blocks, and (b) anything like the number you claimed you were mining?"

11:55

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adlai is pretty clueless/restless to qualify for that

11:55

i lolled.

11:56

http://i.imgur.com/yeLcKn8.png << i lolled moar.

11:56

... ( http://bit.ly/17bcIUw )

11:57

http://i.imgur.com/8rwYupE.png etc in the same vein.

11:57

... ( http://bit.ly/17bcMUc )

11:57

'industry innovator' it sez. damn right. of chumpatronics.

11:58

the history of this "industry" term is so funny.

11:58

you will notice it is only used by people who are pointedly not involved in any sort of industrial matter.

11:58

it got started by the virtual schmucks of hollywood trying to give themselves some word based weight

11:59

much like all the shitty studios of the 50s were called like "empire" and "megaultra" etc.

11:59

then, the porn people picked it up. it was a very tongue in cheek sort of thing, originally, like a mockery of hollywood.

11:59

but that generation soon got pushed out by the tpg braindamaged set, and what was once irony became cereal.

12:00

and from there, via warriorforum and the nerve centers of "i failed local college business school" braindamage... it's in every confidence scam on the webs.

12:01

(tpg = thumbnail preview gallery, at the time an innovation that consisted of putting eight, then six, then four then three pics in a row and filling pages with such rows. each pic ideally linked to the material (more pics of the same set). then that evolved into the skim, where some pics are linked to whatever junk being sold etc.)

12:01

we could replace the term with "commons", to remind the participants that by shitting in the reservoir, they sully their own soup too. eg, "garza is a prominent scammer in the bitcoin commons", "bitcoin is causing a power shift in the pornography commons", etc

12:02

except there's no commonality.

12:02

bit of a spike again https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

12:02

Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1G33Fky )

12:02

how so? there's a market, and these "industries" each squabble over their potential market

12:02

asciilifeform: iirc, it was designed by a woman. i won't psychiatrize on this point, but let's see what mircea makes of it! << i dun get it, so what if a woman designed it ?

12:03

adlai this is merely an artefact of your socialistoid perspective.

12:03

no, there isn't "a market".

12:03

we're not all one, all the same, all on the same plane. we don't interact with the same things.

12:04

hmm i'm not that socialist, i've probably miscommunicated

12:04

paycoin is sitting at 3.87$ atm btw.

12:05

not bad at all!

12:05

kakobrekla, not possible!

12:05

$20 floor

12:05

isn't this the thing going to be 20 tomorrow ?

12:05

wasn't it going to be 20 a few days ago?

12:06

adlai let me give you an example of what i mean. do you know who was the first person to speak german in israel after the war ?

12:06

no

12:06

marlene dietrich.

12:06

ok, how is this relevant?

12:06

now, look at it. admitting for the sake of thinking that the germans were entertainers, since you're admitting garza is in business

12:07

how exactly did the nazis sully the soup for dietrich ?

12:07

(sounds like a stretch, too, israel has/d plenty of german- and yiddish-speaking immigrants)

12:07

but they did not speak german anymore.

12:07

look it up, or ask old people that lived it.

12:08

well there's a huge prejudice against germany the nation and german the language, even among people my age who don't have any family who suffered in the holocaust - but they just inherited the prejudice because it's so pervasive

12:08

that's not related to the historical fact in question.

12:11

*

adlai is a little lost, also trying to extinguish fires in a running bot

12:11

*

kakobrekla curious about the fire

12:11

lol did it get sniped after all ?

12:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7heXZPl2hik

12:11

Marlene Dietrich - Lili Marleen - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/17bdPDH )

12:12

Vor der Kaserne, wor dem grossen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor...

12:12

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mircea_popescu sings along

12:12

no, i'm just improving its abstractions to accomodate new exchanges' quirks; and i did this a little carelessly, crashing the one bot. so i'm trying to setup methods in the other bot so it updates to the new code cleanly

12:13

http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_upda_1.htm

12:13

... ( http://bit.ly/17bdVLF )

12:14

which exchanges ?

12:16

4am and finally a yawn, night night..

12:16

runs on kraken and bitfinex already, now adding btce

12:19

chinese exchanges are probably next, although i'd like to do repay some technical debt first

12:19

"For most of Americas history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting."

12:19

i gotta say lol...

12:24

at some point it'll be a good idea to make this thing usable to people who don't speak lisp, some sorta local webserver or rpc thingy

12:25

asciilifeform: who somehow lives off their tears <<< i do live off their tears.

12:25

the one thing i enjoy alongside redditard butttears of impotence is glaring bagging officer not comprehending why he has to bag my groceries.

12:25

adlai why that ?

12:27

undata: everybody in america thinks they were somehow robbed of making it big like everyone else did <<< the necessary byproduct of the entire "hero" thing graham & co promote. "work hard and we'll pay one in a million ten thousand times a salary, maybe you'll be him!"

12:27

just like slag goes with burning coal for power, buncha idiots thinking they were "robbed of making it big like everyone else" goes with "we don't pay you but maybe you get a promotion"

12:28

make it possible for people to use it without me having to set it up for them myself

12:28

the irony being that out of the scum in question, no other process can extract any use.

12:29

if they were merely offered a fair salary for their work they wouldn't take it because "it's not enough to live on". as if "living" is somehow fixed and god ordered that black guy in missouri must live better than black guy in senegal.

12:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00063819 = 1.1487 BTC [+]

12:29

requiring my magic touch is a sort of "job security", but i'd rather get paid to write new code than configure old apps

12:30

i don't follow the logic of how it would be useful "in general".

12:30

you mean why anybody would want to use scalpl?

12:30

no, but why would everybody want to use it.

12:33

as opposed to you know, one single person (presumably you).

12:33

not everybody, there are plenty of other places to put money; but it's reached the stage where more people are interested in using this than i'd like to hand-hold through the -entire- setup. (this is a very low number of people, i'm not good at customer support...)

12:33

on the 0 1 infinity scale i readily see why 1 rather than 0, i just don't grok why infinity rather than one.

12:34

there are also two ways of interpreting this question - "why would other people want to use it", or "why would adlai want more people to use it"

12:35

right ?

12:37

to maximize the amount of wealth profiting from stabilizing bitcoin

12:38

the logical approach to that is to increase your bankroll, not to spread among a bunch of idiots.

12:38

there's a reason capitalism historically flows towards enriching nodes, not elevating the graph.

12:39

who says i'm not doing both at once?

12:39

i don't per se care what yu do, it's a moral discussion.

12:39

"what should be done."

12:40

right. if i get a well-capitalized account profiting from this, what's morally wrong with that?

12:40

you could point out that i've fallen short of pure greed by not accepting investment, paying dividends, and retaining some fee as a personal profit

12:41

nothing at all. (note that i use "moral" properly, not in the bastardized form common among the plethora of would-be stalins without the ballsack.)

12:41

let's put it in more general terms. you're proposing to lower the bar of what constitutes a qualified investor.

12:41

you propose this as an obvious good.

12:42

i dun see the obviousness and hence the inquiry.

12:44

i'm not proposing to lower it to the ground, scalpl works quite badly on small accounts, and even with the usability changes i'm imagining, it'll be easy to footgun without either my help or some level of understanding on behalf of the shooter

12:44

the degree wasn't in question.

12:45

well, i do think that an oligarchy is better than a monarchy, if that's what the question is

12:45

what is a small account ? 0.1 ? 1? 10? 100 ?

12:45

adlai why ?

12:45

(and generally, moral thought proceeds quite strictly : 1) is this a good thing or a bad thing ; 2) how much of it ? there's no overalpping these stages)

12:45

resilience in the face of population bottlenecks ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck )

12:45

Population bottleneck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpo9BX )

12:46

kakobrekla 1 because it's the smallest amount of number.

12:46

aha

12:46

kakobrekla: i'd say you want at least 100x the exchange's minimum order size

12:46

adlai that made no sense.

12:47

BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.

12:47

asciilifeform: they go out, same as in usg-sponsored 'colour revolutions', because 'there's action tonight' << quite. which is why it's so lulzy to watch.

12:48

generally, people tend to hurl as insults/bombs/damage to others what they're most afraid of themselves. there's a very good reason color revolutions exist, and it has nothing to do with ukraine or gaddafi.

12:48

errything to do with what every senator knows and fears at home.

12:48

i havent used any exchange with api for over a year

12:49

my thinking is along the lines of a society/economy not having all its eggs in one basket. it doesn't have to have one egg per basket, with daily redistributions; a "fit economy still has strong inequality, but it's not skewed all the way to either side of the spectrum

12:50

adlai ok but i dunno how this relates to discussion

12:51

and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work.

12:51

ie it still doesn't answer my oreiginal curiosiuty

12:51

this has little to do with the software in question mind.

12:52

why not? i've written something useful, i'm trying to make it more useful, and i _believe_ (ie, an opinion more grounded in emotion than evidence) that the right thing to do is share this

12:53

what's missing from answering your original question?

12:53

all of it.

12:53

why do you propose it as a good.

12:54

i can readily construct a scenario where it harms, if it helps.

12:55

please do, i'm typing up another answer attempt meanwhile

12:55

okay. suppose currently robot has use cost X, expressed in some translated value of he sophistication/time/etc needed to use it.

12:55

suppose you move it to X-e

12:56

this increases the pool of users from U to U+x. the average sophistication of x is < than the average of U. in fact it's common even if we won;t rely on it that the peak of x is under the lowest of U.

12:56

this will increase failures from F to F+y, where y/F > x/U > e/X

12:56

this is the definition of harm.

12:58

we know nothing about failure rates from outside U, or failure rates of the original users after more have joined

12:58

in which case at most we can't say whether it's a good or bad idea, and shouldn't bother with it at all ?

12:58

the way scalpl works currently, you can use it badly and lose money, just like with any investment; and that is likely to never change

12:58

yes, but by the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU get involved, you know they'll mostly lose.

12:58

homicide da union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xprst3 )

12:59

if they didn't mostly lose, they wouldn't be "homicide da union", they'd be the cupcakes and crumpets core.

12:59

the latecomers will likely lose wherever they go, i'm less focused on making it easier for them, more on making it easier for users #3-10

13:00

oh i see.

13:00

good point.

13:00

easy sunday all

13:00

how is the cult today?

13:00

reaching the end of an argument. quick, say something socialist!

13:00

you just missed the spanish inquisition.

13:00

:D

13:00

uh, i believe all people should be given everything equally

13:01

i just gave the girls some penis.

13:01

kneel an' say aah ?

13:01

mircea_popescu should donate 10% of the MPOE profits to charity

13:01

so that homeless people can have free access to drugs

13:01

that's not socialist, that's pharma oligopolist!

13:01

o wait, you meant psychoactives ?

13:02

Haha!

13:02

mircea_popescu: you may be overestimating the maturity of my project... it's existed outside my head, as running code, for under 9 months; and has only turned profitable during the latter half

13:02

adlai sorry, seems I'd have to dig through some socialist propaganda to say something socialist. its surprisingly hard to come up with something

13:02

adlai i was just discussing teh principle involved.

13:02

sure

13:02

thestringpuller now you see how the cult is doing.

13:04

was a funny exercise in "so i shouldn't make emacs easier to use for the people already using it because this will lower the barrier to entry for idiots and ruin the party ? what are you, insane ?"

13:04

pretty good.

13:04

VIM 4 LYFE

13:05

notepad++!!!!

13:05

(i dun really emacs either)

13:05

Random: oh wow this was napex thing right:

13:05

emacs is useful for a few things, terrible for most others

13:05

http://bravenewcoin.com/news/romanias-only-bitcoin-exchange-shuts-down-due-to-disgruntled-programmer/

13:05

i guess vi + bash is a sort of retarded man's emacs.

13:05

Naphex*

13:06

BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ?

13:06

seeing how the exclusive was right here in teh logs

13:07

I think cazalla was waiting for more news, and maybe we all forgot?

13:07

i guess.

13:07

would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami?

13:07

was easy pickings for an article anyway

13:07

i imagine so.

13:08

cazalla seems to have a hardon for the guy.

13:08

irl coverage is less easy pickings

13:08

Pierre_Rochard: Hi, I was starting to miss this place << preach it sistar!

13:08

mircea_popescu: just because its old news doesn't mean there still isn't exclusive content to pull from

13:09

*

adlai should check the schedule, make sure he'll be free for the juicy bits

13:09

not as novel tho

13:09

right.

13:10

Pierre_Rochard: that keeps me from opening it myself, but doesnt keep me off twitter haha << http://scripts.irssi.org/ might halp

13:10

Irssi Scripts ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpuxcp )

13:11

BingoBoingo: OMG MP vacation has been one of the best things to happen to MPOE price... aside from saving OpenBSD. << my lyf ;/

13:12

;;ticker

13:12

nano is apparently on a vacation of his own

13:12

XD

13:12

nanotube you got some 'splainin to do

13:13

the price collapse is amazing, reminds me of October 2012

13:13

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:14

holy fuck the mop is amazing

13:14

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:14

^- i partially think this is kako's way to condition us to stop using the world amazing

13:14

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:14

word*

13:14

but some things, like the mop, are truly amazing

13:14

AMAZING COMPANY!

13:16

asciilifeform: http://russian.rt.com/article/67122 << another current mega-lol. ua fission plant installs 'westinghouse' fuel rods, begins to leak. << there's just no way ukraine doesn't end up with another nuclear blast.

13:16

На Запорожской АЭС произошла утечка радиации - уровень превышает норму ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpw2rf )

13:17

they're out of power, desperate enough.

13:21

o look at that, the exchanges quoting under 300 ? lol. k.

13:22

mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? << Pretty much except redone by seasoned rural telecom bezzel turdmeisters. 3 Years experience or some shit. OgNasty down to the fan club.

13:22

!up MetatronOne

13:23

for crying out loud.

13:24

MetatronOne

o/

13:25

"I learned a valuable lesson here though. Dont trust .gitignores and gems like Firago for keeping your data safe,"

13:25

yeah, don't trust ror.

13:28

BingoBoingo: Why does my brother pretend he has not the slightest bit of racism in him yet when he moves to the city chooses a Bosnian neighborhood over a black neighborhood? <<< i can see a few reasons right off.

13:28

such as, the womenz. maybe he ran into a few adolescent bosniac sluts on his recon visit

13:30

now with illustrations : http://www.cumonmy.com/galleries/2014-updates/01-001-pussy-ass-beach-janelle/Nude-Beach-Girls-Update/teen/nude-beach-girls-babes-young-teen-girls-beach-ocean-naked-free-porn-cumonmy-com-044.jpg

13:30

... ( http://bit.ly/1xpzBO8 )

13:30

gribble down?

13:30

myeah.

13:31

;/

13:31

mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? << In a couple shorter bits. Waiting for another point of lulz inflection to do much more.

13:32

ah k

13:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5723 @ 0.0006447 = 3.6896 BTC [+]

13:34

asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ?

13:43

kakobrekla: he ragequit ? << prolly related to http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/#comment-109550

13:43

WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xpCUEV )

13:44

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno...

13:46

[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2110 @ 0.00086513 = 1.8254 BTC [-] {3}

13:50

TomServo: I'm surprised ol' Brucey Bruce isn't parroting the "OMG NK!!1" line. << "Tellingly, the FBI's press release says that the bureau's conclusion is only based "in part" on these clues. This leaves open the possibility that the government has classified evidence that North Korea is behind the attack. The NSA has been trying to eavesdrop on North Korea's government communications since the Korean War, and it's rea

13:50

sonable to assume that its analysts are in pretty deep. The agency might have intelligence on the planning process for the hack. It might, say, have phone calls discussing the project, weekly PowerPoint status reports, or even Kim Jong Un's sign-off on the plan."

13:50

he;s doing as much of that as he possibly can.

13:50

just... has to cover his bets, because he might be old but he suspects he'll outlive teh muppet show.

13:51

i especially loved the "it might have". yeah, and i might have fucked obama in the ass.

13:51

why not ? maybe he's a gimp slaveboi. he certainly looks it. heck, maybe i put it all on weekly powerpoints.

13:53

<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... < prolly seeing different things in the pic

13:53

i see a bipedal dog.

13:54

aha yes its very abstract.

13:54

ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 3 << translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ?

13:54

kakobrekla he probably even struggles in opposition of bathing as much as the usual dog.

13:55

https://twitter.com/DarthNull/status/551758629406527488

13:55

The hits keep coming. Now /CNN is quoting a parody Twitter account without any kind of fact checking whatsoever. http://t.co/67dFklxBEL

13:55

but is he a slave?

13:55

and if he is, to whom?

13:55

well i dunno whose shit he's guarding there

13:55

anyway ill let ascii argue that one out.

13:58

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00064586 = 10.9473 BTC [+] {3}

14:00

kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!

↖ ↖

14:00

my inbox agrees

14:00

fluffypony: cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doing << your definition of smartness is very tolerant.

14:01

kakobrekla only 4565 cookies ?

14:01

0 negative cookies

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fluffypony

mircea_popescu: a street criminal can be smart, not the same as being visionary or being clever :)

14:01

granted.

14:02

but the active bets is kinda low, down to 41 also thanks to my 'genius' mandatory zeroconf

14:06

yeah, but the wanna-be soam in comments is up lol

14:06

soam?

14:06

foam?

14:06

scam?

14:07

spam lol

14:07

fuck im so irrogant

14:07

"we have a billion bitcoins, can't afford advertising, here's a link you have to c/p"

14:09

idk why nobody made a bot yet

14:09

guess.

14:10

it cant be.

14:11

o but it is.

14:22

punkman: http://www.pokerstars.gr/en/poker/room/support/pwt-faq/ <- mega lol <<< heh, as if anyone will EVER pay taxed gambling.

14:22

Default Heading Text DCR ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxLXm4 )

14:22

idiots.

14:23

xanthyos: thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses <<< check it out kakobrekla

14:24

yeah, that's an idea we were going to develop but didn't actually get started on.

14:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00062857 = 8.9207 BTC [-]

14:24

it's actually a very good idea, and i'd still like to see it done.

14:27

any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead. adding another barrier to the mix i do not need to continue this sentence.

14:31

btc right now is pretty much : you are an exchange or dead or dead exchange

14:32

only because ineptly run.

14:35

http://freekeene.com/2015/01/04/should-protesters-lose-their-gun-rights/

14:35

Should Protesters Lose Their Gun Rights? | Free Keene ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxO5dv )

14:38

derp.

14:38

"rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass."

14:39

random bit of info, some node claiming to be BTCXchange still running: receive version message: /BTCXchange.ro Mapper:0.01/: version 60000, blocks=230000, peer=85.9.53.226:38151

14:40

it is still running

14:40

*

adlai hasn't been following the story closely

14:40

everything there is still running

14:40

lol

14:40

blocks=230000 is a little worrying >_>

14:41

thats a dnsseed

14:41

it scans nodes

14:41

pings them and stuff and keeps em in a list

14:41

dosn't sync anything, and is just some fake checkpoint reported. it is only interested in the version message

14:41

Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1087/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.31560018 BTC. Current weight: 76,006.

14:42

but the bitcoin node is running fine from what i can see https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/85.9.53.226-8333/

14:42

85.9.53.226:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1BxP7q1 )

14:43

*

adlai out to dinner

14:43

but thanks for the explanation

14:43

np

14:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00065162 = 6.9235 BTC [+]

~ 26 minutes ~

15:13

"I know the the responsible for the conference, and his integrity is unquestionable."

15:13

reddit is ever lulzy.

15:14

anyway, who is this "integrity unquesitonable" guy we forget to mention ?

15:14

generally that point should be made by the man's name, not by idle adulation by (other) anon entities.

15:16

best scammers will walk free

15:16

decimation: I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner. << so it actually works out to them booking a nominal loss because of spot movement ?

15:17

heh.

15:19

lol ook, buterin, ver and ... wtf is wrong with gallippi ?

15:20

go there hang out with like... all the scammers, all the have-beens and all teh posers ?

15:21

anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.

15:21

(i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)

15:22

cazalla : maybe ask the man where he did his 6 months' study ?

15:23

"We think that a Q&A period, moderated by someone you choose, will provide the proper forum for people to make their voices heard. We think that this layout, instead of a speech, is the appropriate forum."

15:23

having "their voices heard" ? seriously ?

15:23

lol. mmmmkay.

15:24

what are bitcoin people supposed to be, a sort of ferguson negroes, "hey, nothing will happen because reasons, but here, have this tupperware container to scream in."

15:24

thestringpuller: cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences." << no, he has a point. that's exactly how that racket works.

15:29

Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/

15:29

thestringpuller: it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is. << nobody expects gavin to say something sensible anymore than they'd expect ronald mcdonald to.

15:30

he's the guy in the satoshi costume.

15:33

Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,986.

~ 21 minutes ~

15:54

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062468 = 13.8054 BTC [-] {3}

~ 58 minutes ~

16:53

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9290 @ 0.00062414 = 5.7983 BTC [-]

17:02

<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere

17:05

ah

17:06

And yet gasoline is now under $2 a gallon here.

17:07

decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.

↖ ↖

17:07

lol euro https://charts.mql5.com/6/626/eurusd-h1-worth-ltd-venetfx-3.png

17:07

... ( http://bit.ly/1rUF8v3 )

17:07

(just opened)

17:07

lol

17:09

pete_dushenski: but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home << pretty much yes.

17:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062683 = 3.761 BTC [+] {2}

17:14

ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. <<< term only came of age last year.

17:14

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00062312 = 11.6523 BTC [-] {2}

17:19

woot all caught up

17:19

;;ping

17:22

http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000026.html << this is quite splendid.

17:22

... ( http://bit.ly/1rUIVIT )

17:22

well done mod6 an ben_vulpes

17:22

an jurov

17:22

an who else is doing stuffs there

17:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37404 @ 0.00061065 = 22.8408 BTC [-] {3}

17:28

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0006014 = 7.0965 BTC [-] {3}

17:28

mod6

thanks!

17:29

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965022 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965023 << afaik moe levin is just the conference organizer, no connection to bitpay beyond accepting their sponsorship

17:29

Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:11; mircea_popescu: anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.

17:29

Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:44; mircea_popescu: (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)

17:29

*

adlai is FoaFs with moe, might be introduced at the conference

17:32

if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids

17:33

bitfinex seeking out new lows!

17:35

adlai> bitfinex seeking out new lows! << Wouldn't be surprised at all of this Bitfinex scouting new lows is them dying.

17:36

!up ascii_modem

17:36

btc swaps are at an all time high, even if we go lower afterwards, somebody is bound to get hurt by the inevitable bounces on the way

17:36

!up joecool

17:36

danke kakobrekla

17:36

http://bfxdata.com/swapstats/btc.php

17:36

Bitfinex Swaps BTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUMfni )

17:36

ascii_modem: btw lispm still on the block?

17:37

kakobrekla: altgribble doesn't work with assbot?

17:40

asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ? <<< nein. but from usa. customized though.

17:40

lispm on the block , yes

17:44

mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose. <<< i spent years working with folks some of whom fit the pattern: 'yes i got phd for washing glassware for advisor, who let me crib, who in turn cribbed from dr xxxxx himself, of the academy of turdiences'

17:45

'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist.

17:46

and are pathetic specimens of animal

17:49

http://libv.livejournal.com <<< tremendously important ( and tremendously wrongheaded ) piece. points to the folly of continuing to see the world in the enemy's framing.

17:49

LIBV Intentionally Breaks Videodrivers ... ( http://bit.ly/1rUOsz8 )

17:50

fiat law apparatus is not an authority to be respected, but a military enemy that wants to render you for your body fat and deserves the same respect that dog owes dogcatcher, or jew - the nazi polizei

17:51

i'll rub it in for the thick:

17:52

joecool who runs alt gribble

17:52

kakobrekla: rbecker

17:52

if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.

17:52

it will -all- be 'terrorism' soon enough.

17:54

punkman: mpeg2 license key <<< afaik -all- extant arm cpu include sub-cores running mystery turds, such as that one.

17:54

;;gettrust assbot rbecker

17:54

doesnt work!

17:54

i dont trust him.

17:57

i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs. <<< again we can apply above principle. everybody complaining about the disk arse search - stop imagining that you have 'rights' and start apprehending the fact that you are being pursued by maniacs who will eventually like to turn you into a lampshade.

17:58

kakobrekla: altgribble isn't in here

17:58

it's in #bitcoin-otc currently handling auth there

17:58

arguments have never stood between any one at all becoming a lampshade.

17:58

worked there

17:58

or having disk searched

17:59

i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?

17:59

lol

18:02

gee, now i'm dreaming about garza, God help me

18:03

<mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.

18:03

i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas

18:04

<ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?

18:05

reply to adlai

18:05

ah i see

18:06

[auction] block

18:06

ie, for sale

18:06

i happen to own a lispm. and it is (still) for sale.

18:06

kakobrekla pls

18:07

!up ascii_modem

18:07

ty

18:07

ah nice

18:08

yes gents i understand all of this

18:08

i too, read logs.

18:09

leave me alone.

18:09

:+o

18:10

lol

18:17

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00059766 = 12.8796 BTC [-] {2}

18:19

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? <<< BingoBoingo covered it in December, http://qntra.net/2014/12/btcxchange-ro-dispute-heats-up/

18:19

btcXchange.ro Dispute Heats Up | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yplN7H )

18:21

if memory serves, BingoBoingo seemed to think either side could be bullshitting

18:21

ascii_modem: did some reading about the metaobject protocol

18:22

it seems that the main author has gone on to champion 'aspect oriented programming'

18:24

... as a trivial extension when your language has a MOP

18:25

kinda like championing OO, where appropriate, as a special case of closures, assuming your language supports the latter

18:27

yeah from what I gather, AOP is kind of a dumbed-down MOP

18:28

basically it's just monkey-patching classes with bits of code that can be maintained in one spot

18:28

adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami? <<< i wouldn't ask of you to waste your time doing that, it is already established he is a liar and a bad one at that, no point covering a debate of which lies can be wormed out of

18:29

adlai: there seems to be a long history of people coming up with good ideas in lisp, and then spending the rest of their lives trying to get other languages to support small pieces of said idea

18:29

adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids <<< if you can remember their name that long but doubt it

18:31

january's lemons have taken the form of btcmiami tickets, flights included. shouldn't be too big a request from the benefactor to spend a few hours snooping around the shillcoin booth/talks

18:32

adlai: if you plan on making recordings, beware that florida has a two-party consent law: http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law << it's a felony to make recordings of a conversation without both parties consenting

18:32

Florida Recording Law | Digital Media Law Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1ypo9DB )

18:33

ok, i'll make sure to plug my ears before entering the conference grounds

18:33

hehe

18:33

but thanks for the heads up ):

18:33

er that was supposed to be a :)

18:33

such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats)

18:37

"Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law." <- pretty sure that covers anything

18:37

that happens at a conference

18:37

!up ascii_

18:37

!up ascii_modem

18:37

adlai: us law has a funny way of being misinterpreted by those to whom it would advantage

18:40

for instance, what do you think "public meeting" means?

18:40

moe levin (conference organizer) has already gone on the public record saying that talks and Q&A sessions will be recorded and recordings subsequently uploaded, further eroding whatever "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be claimed

18:41

that's probably reasonable, but other conversations would not be covered under the same exception

18:42

good thing that the exception covers all conversations where you could be overheard, rather than just "public meetings"

18:46

yes, but my point is that if a policeman is so inclined, he may throw you in jail, charge you, and you get to make these kinds of arguments to a local prosecutor and then maybe a judge

18:55

ben_vulpes: do you fly gliders? that's a neat hobby

18:57

not i but a good friend.

18:57

my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous

19:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00062951 = 7.2394 BTC [+] {2}

19:09

the easy way to prevent that is just not to record anything myself

19:09

whether the idea of recording the talk is sufficiently incepted in the public's mind that several random audience members are likely to have recorded - is another matter

19:10

[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.10920538 = 3.0578 BTC [-] {5}

19:17

florida law re: recording scamz0rz << see earlier thread re: correct attitude to law.

19:19

!s correct attitude law from:ascii

19:19

0 results for 'correct attitude law from:ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=correct+attitude+law+from%3Aascii

19:19

i am quite certain that, e.g., iran, has even more interesting laws. with even stiffer punishments for disobedience. should we all hire iranian lawyers, avoid ending up on heads-off ?

19:20

adlai: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#965080 and below.

19:21

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965084 << what's the problem with open source?

19:21

Logged on 04-01-2015 22:52:28; ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.

19:21

not with open source

19:22

*

adlai goes searching for context

19:22

but with respecting tyrants who propose to say that writing some code is permissible , other kinds - not

19:23

e.g. 'software patent'

19:27

linked article was similar to a turd that made the rounds back when w2k source leake

19:27

'don't read it, you'll be tainted for life and can never be a legit open source dev again'

19:28

ascii_modem: in the earlier case of recording, my answer is: yes, you probably ought to have an iranian lawyer (or a plan to get one) if you find yourself physically in iran

19:28

better to get a plane ticket out.

19:28

or boat, or rocket, whatever

19:28

agreed, but to shift to your point about code - where?

19:28

one step ahead of pursuers.

19:29

that is the only 'where'.

19:30

i'll point out that it is not hard at all to crap out however much 'illegal1111!' code you want, anywhere on planet, at no risk to your health

19:30

!s if you think, don't write

19:30

2 results for 'if you think, don't write' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+think%2C+don%27t+write

19:31

my favorite nonsense was an internal usg email during the snowden leaks, advising employees not to read the leaked document on unclassified workstations lacking necessary clearance to view the doc

19:31

this predates snowden

19:31

dates to at least 'wikileaks'

19:32

w.r.t. to the link you posted about the guy warning not to reverse engineer drivers, his point about the pointlessness of the endeavor seems well-founded

19:32

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/dhs_puts_its_he.html

19:32

Schneier on Security: DHS Puts its Head in the Sand ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdGtzg )

19:32

decimation: he was entirely wrong about the -why- pointless

19:32

ascii from da past

19:33

house of cards microcode shitware?

19:33

adlai: you can see how it would be much more difficult for usg to actually coordinate which secrets are 'released' and which ones are 'secret'

19:33

it's easier to pretend.

19:34

the audience can't do jack shit to bring sane silicon into being. but it can actively and maximally destructively piss on 'intellectual property' and related usg crown privilege.

19:34

cazalla: you still around?

19:34

thestringpuller, yup, what's up

19:35

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964832

19:35

Logged on 04-01-2015 17:47:10; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.

19:35

pokemon: i must catch them all

19:36

thestringpuller, cbf this morning, didn't get to bed till 4am and i'm still a bit tired

19:36

;;ls

19:36

nanotube still on vacation?

19:37

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/opinion/sunday/how-my-mom-got-hacked.html << more pro-military-industrial-complex propaganda

19:37

Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdHuaO )

19:40

btce still leading the light brigade

19:40

drivers << presently the open source folks have two choices - open mouth and wait for rain, in the sahara; or cut enemy throat and drink up.

19:40

third choice: make own hardware using fpgas (yes, I remember past fpga threads)

19:41

make own planet too, while at it

19:43

ill throw some dirt towards that.

19:43

!s sdram controller

19:43

5 results for 'sdram controller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sdram+controller

19:43

etc

19:44

was talking about the planet.

19:46

folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries

19:46

with them, it is quite the same as using 'evil' modern silicon

~ 42 minutes ~

20:29

Chairman Popescu.

20:29

*

thestringpuller tips hat

20:30

!up mircea_popescu

20:30

still no gribble eh

20:40

yea no one knows where he is

20:43

heya & thanks

20:43

dag. looks like this irc thinger's getting fragile.

20:43

mircea_popescu: did anything come of your conversations with "t"?

20:43

no.

20:43

i see guy's still idling here tho

20:44

but anyway, since we're on it : anyone wish to write a proper ircd ?

20:44

ima make a spec for it.

20:44

and a bouncer, while we're at it.

20:44

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6142 @ 0.00064049 = 3.9339 BTC [+]

20:44

ircd?

20:44

znc is broken flaky hellspawn.

20:45

yeah. i guess this calls for a whole new category on trilema.

20:45

ima do it once done with reports, announcements and other first of month stuff

20:45

"shit mp wants built"

20:46

the thing where i put it in a pastedbin dun work, im sick of looking up the url for the deedbot one.

20:46

cazalla qntra wordcounts ?

20:49

mircea_popescu: those have been up since the 1st: http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/

20:49

is there a pompous name for the l2 list? the dukes?

20:50

ben_vulpes lordship list, sure

20:50

oh ty thestringpuller

20:50

mircea_popescu: l1's the lordship list?

20:50

ah yes my bad.

20:50

teh... knighthood ?

20:51

the peerage?

20:51

most honorable order of teh bath ?

20:51

speaking of which... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orden_del_Baño‎

20:51

Orden del Baño - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9WMa )

20:51

because we translate proper nouns now.

20:52

ooh most noble order of the garter

20:52

garter snakes hueeee

20:53

lol works

20:53

no its horrible

20:54

"the cult" ?

20:54

"the hoplites"?

20:54

then the verb for joining could be "cultured"

20:54

ew.

20:55

i dunno, ask tat, he's the naming fiend.

20:55

or mebbe hanbot

20:55

wow check out mike_c dominate the qntra wordcounts in dec.

20:57

you're probably looking at the first bytes of the fingerprint, not his wordcount heh

20:57

happened to me too

20:57

XD

20:57

oh oh lol

20:57

oops

20:57

where has TaT been?

20:59

ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist. << not what i meant. what i meant was the construct's nonsense.

20:59

there is no such thing as "plagiarism" anymore than there's burning bushes or actual sides of christmeat.

21:00

!up mircea_popescu

21:03

whaty's this altgribble thing ?

21:04

someone runs a gribble clone

21:04

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00063347 = 4.3076 BTC [-]

21:08

but how is this possible ?

21:08

i mean... if you rate with it, it updates the db ?

21:08

nope

21:08

i guess you cant rate

21:08

you can't rate

21:08

see

21:08

my guess is better than sexyginger

21:08

dat kako

21:09

decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats) <<< or young women having casual sex.

21:09

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-december-2014-statement/

21:09

so basically it doesn't do anything.

21:09

why'd i trust it's "registered" claims.

21:10

decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous << from what i hear it's actually safer than flying planes.

21:12

!up Phraust

21:12

:)

21:13

"moms who persist in using big, boxy PC computers and small-town police departments."

21:13

fucking idiots these people.

21:13

my computer is "big, boxy PC"

21:13

and it shits on his useless applepad or whatever the fuck it is.

21:14

how goes Phoebus

21:14

i mean Phraust

21:14

"So what can we all do to protect ourselves? Keep our computers backed up on an independent drive or by using a cloud backup service like Carbonite, take those software update and patch alerts seriously"

21:14

mno. but anyway.

21:14

not bad. livin' the dream :D

21:15

finally got time to irc again. what's been crackin'?

21:15

"Welcome to the new ransomware economy, where hackers have a reputation to consider." "welcome to the post-modern world, where 'criminals' are more reliable than governments, and certainly more useful."

21:15

Phraust not much really. same old bs, restated in all seriousness by a new generation of turnips.

21:16

*

Phraust nods.

21:16

THings just ain't the same for gangsters.

21:17

just as an idle exercise, imagine how that article'd have sounded if the criminals were some usg agency, stealing the woman's drive and not giving it back.

21:17

i seem to recall a bunch of these, and they're all fucking respectful.

21:18

time for a tone change, mainstream media.

21:30

!up PinkPosixPXE

21:31

!up mircea_popescu

21:33

thank you

21:33

how've you been?

21:34

oh man.. I've been helping my friend who runs a VPS provider, gigebox.com, migrate everything to a new host node

21:34

all his containers

21:34

o hey, PinkPosixPXE

21:35

and wrote an ipv6_ddos mitigations cript

21:35

script

21:35

for him

21:35

that's a shitload of work yow

21:35

is it any good ?

21:35

ovh works for our ipv4 stuff

21:35

mircea_popescu, posted 5 days ago http://qntra.net/2015/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2014-statement/

21:35

Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2014 Statement | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aulvf9 )

21:35

i've been digging through https://twitter.com/ipxcore/ (ghetto vps) for uptime gems

21:35

IPXcore (@ipxcore) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AulBU2 )

21:35

but ipv6 is more difficult, so this does a count on the packets, and if it exceeds the limit, it finds the ipv6 address, and vps in question, and then disables those addresses on the vps so they can't be targetted

21:35

cazalla yeah i see. qntra is so successful i got lost among the articles :)

21:36

PinkPosixPXE doesn't sound like much mitigation.

21:36

I'm going to update it to set a timer to re enable them after a certain period of time and do some updates to it, but it's been keeping things up for the last few weeks

21:36

well when the packet limit is breached, usually the vps will be suspended

21:36

mircea_popescu, i was first! as they say, some people are so far behind the race that they actually believe they are leading :P

21:36

automatically

21:36

lol

21:37

PinkPosixPXE: is this for outbound ddossing?

21:37

this ensure the vps won't be suspended, and just removes the target ipv6 ips

21:37

until the attack stops

21:37

it's a better solution for customers than 'container susspended again'

21:37

suspended*

21:38

sorry, been migrating and snapshotting containers to this new server all day

21:38

PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?

21:38

the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation

21:38

"oh, i see you're trying to connect to a vps that a) you've not connected before and b) is being attacked ? come back next week."

21:38

and a null route is put in place as well

21:38

but often times they are spoofed source ip's

21:39

so that can sometimes be ineffective long term

21:39

why is ovh allowing spoofs inside ?

21:39

nm. ovh.

21:39

ipv6 ddos attacks are just a pain all around

21:39

it's a different beast

21:39

this runs on the host node

21:41

this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out

21:41

and before long the addresses come back up when the attack dies down

21:41

anywho

21:41

it is a band-aid until we can figure something better out

21:42

but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks

21:42

and this isn't exactly how I'd setup vps hosting

21:42

I have 3 vps' at a very large (Free) discount with this provider

21:42

and root on the host node

21:43

and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out

21:43

I'm learning how sloppy some of it is

21:43

I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one

21:43

and split off my own vps services

21:43

here's to dedis

21:43

on my own host

21:44

but that's down the road a month at least

21:44

PinkPosixPXE: you launch a VPS service, take BTC (don't even denominate in BTC), and you've got custom right here.

21:44

yea, I was thinking about that

21:44

and I plan to offer BTC as payment

21:44

as well as DDOS mitigation, and of course ipv6

21:45

now that I've helped run, and in some ways rescue this vps provider

21:45

if you can afford to denominate in btc...

21:45

gamechanger right there.

21:45

and get the migrations streamlined to the new host

21:46

I can see where I can put together a much better product

21:46

see what i told you, wife material right there.

21:46

yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today

21:46

!s wife material

21:46

1 results for 'wife material' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wife+material

21:46

after we migrated a few

21:47

and fixed about 10 issues he ran into within 5 minutes

21:47

but mostly after the script

21:47

he said he was going to force me to marry him one day

21:47

and that it may be by gunpoint

21:47

good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh

21:47

yep haha

21:47

I'm probably a better shot too :x

21:48

That helps.

21:49

ben_vulpes: I might need you (or some of you guys) as resources regarding I ensure I setup my bitcoin merchanting properly

21:49

I've done some research

21:49

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064049 = 2.1136 BTC [+]

21:49

and know how to add it

21:49

are you planning to convert directly to fiat?

21:50

he means if you gonna be a bitch!

21:50

I will probably have a recurring tool that converst a portion of it to fiat

21:50

converts*

21:50

I wouldn't make it all fiat

21:50

I'm not bailing on bitcoin

21:50

recent drops don't scare me

21:50

its ok hon you can be honest here. :)

21:51

in fact, I've been buying more as it's gone down

21:51

it's the holidays..

21:51

PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control

21:51

use a btcd to watch incoming blocks for confirmations

21:52

there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts

21:52

ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is

21:52

BTC match up to current USD

21:52

right

21:52

or whatever currency

21:52

that's your quoting logic

21:52

yea, that shouldn't be too bad, sweet

21:52

totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin

21:53

yea, I've noticed it where I shop using bitcoin quite a bit

21:53

what you *don't* want to do is send each txn to seperate addrs.

21:53

you could, ofc.

21:53

there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...

21:53

but don't.

21:54

ok, good to know

21:54

yea, these were some of the things I was curious about

21:54

don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain

21:54

use bitcoin-rpc calls to watch for incoming blocks, scrape for txns to your addr

21:54

and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind

21:54

wait whut is this no separate address bsns

21:55

oh yea, api -> webapp -> blochain updates.. too slow

21:55

that makes sense

21:55

kakobrekla: do whatever you want, cartman

21:55

you have a thing that works, congrats.

21:55

??

21:55

http://bitbet.us ??

21:55

BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6Bdl )

21:56

i dont understand y no unique address per order?

21:56

why bother?

21:56

I wonder if I should buy a bitcoin now

21:56

or wait for it to drop a bit more

21:57

wait for 2$.

21:57

200 ?

21:57

myea i guess

21:58

I might buy at 250.. as long as it keeps trending back up

21:58

we'll see

21:58

glad I didn't buy when it dropped to 310 last week

21:58

and waited a bit

21:58

i just want more coins plz

21:59

hehe

22:01

anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db

22:01

!up PinkPosixPXE

22:02

bip32

22:02

thanks

22:02

is assbot not talking to altgribble yet?

22:02

its not a 'yet' thing.

22:02

ah ok

22:03

!up mircea_popescu

22:03

PinkPosixPXE aha i see.

22:03

you dont need to voice him he is opped

22:03

PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?

22:03

!down mircea_popescu

22:03

see.

22:04

haet

22:08

you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility

22:08

I want 10gbps, but I can offer low end as well

22:08

but I want high end and ddos mitigation, etc. available as well

22:09

It would depend

22:10

technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise

22:10

run 'em in parallel.

22:11

finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.

22:11

*

ben_vulpes is off for a bit

22:12

right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work

22:12

I could potentially do that

22:12

since I'd be setting things up identically

22:12

but would have to see

22:12

the time commit is a big consideratio

22:12

with so many projects, I have to make sure I can get everything taken care of

22:13

but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu

22:14

I just need to do a little math on 'units of time/energ/projects' and potential independence from my day job at some point so I have more time

22:14

but it's defiitely gaining momentum, and with time, it'll happen

22:14

I want to make sur eI can offer both offshore and us hosting as well

22:15

so that's another thing I'll be working on

22:15

anywho.. I better get back to helping them with these migrations

22:15

30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help

22:15

good luck

22:16

thank you! It was good to chat with you guys again and check in.. I may disappear a bit later when we move my vps because we have to do an offline migration, but I'll always return, and be around :)

22:16

PinkPosixPXE cool.

22:24

!up mapop

22:24

PinkPosixPXE if it's like 3-400 how about getting a pair.

~ 21 minutes ~

22:46

@up PinkPosixPXE

22:46

!up PinkPosixPXE

22:50

anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?

~ 17 minutes ~

23:07

not that i see

23:09

!up ascii_modem

23:09

scoopbot -fetch

23:09

ty BingoBoingo

23:09

yw ascii_modem

23:11

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23837 @ 0.0006432 = 15.332 BTC [+] {2}

23:14

New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/20000-in-britain-investigated-for-online-comments/

23:14

write a proper ircd <<< what exactly is this ?

23:15

ascii_modem ima spec it in a few

23:15

and holy shit, don't you just love this brave new world with such policemen in it.

23:15

mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)

23:15

Bitstamp possibly fucked up, http://i.imgur.com/8aWS157.jpg

23:15

... ( http://bit.ly/1AdztDa )

23:16

that qntra link: see earlier thread re: how to think of law.

23:16

kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped!

23:16

that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.

23:17

how the fuck they lose private keys?

23:17

'lose'

23:18

kakobrekla may i direct your attention to http://bitbet.us/bet/1095/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-feb/#c4426

23:18

BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under 200$ before Feb :: 1.05 B (33%) on Yes, 2.09 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 98`291 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xJbLeE )

23:18

turns out prediction markets predict markets.

23:18

what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?

23:19

this chan only makes me more depressed. great job kako.

23:19

<kakobrekla> how the fuck they lose private keys? // ask them

23:20

wait, how ?

23:20

https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << lol a peak wanes, another just begun

23:20

Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdAB9Y )

23:21

mircea_popescu: And these peaks are closer than the last

23:21

!up Fun

23:21

:)

23:21

hi folks

23:21

this better be fun

23:21

BingoBoingo indeed.

23:22

kakobrekla tell teh group your troubles, kako

23:22

well ignorance is bliss what more is there.

23:22

scoopbot, fetch

23:22

I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)

23:22

eheheh

23:22

scoopbot fetch

23:22

scoopbot -fetch

23:22

ah lol

23:23

they were going to finally boot the greeks neh ?

23:23

http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/

23:23

Bitstamp Alleged To Have Requested Users Stop Making Deposits | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdBpvv )

23:23

lol they cant

23:23

wai alleged ?

23:23

who is going to cover derivatives

23:23

however if greeks exit thats great, euro and dollar may go down alot lol

23:23

esp euro :)

23:24

euro is already down.

23:24

kako is already short

23:24

kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.

23:24

bring back the drachma!

23:24

Fun: euro and dollar go 'down' relative to what? bitcoin?

23:24

punkman !

23:24

lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D

23:25

to other currencies

23:25

can i get more detail out of you than "it's being worked on"!

23:25

decimation nothing goes down relative to bitcoin

23:25

it's been 6 weeks, fuck me

23:25

well obviously not worked on enough

23:25

yes but...

23:25

what is the problem, exactly ?

23:26

pauperism, holidays, lyf

23:26

kakobrekla: all the way to $2!

23:26

i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"

23:26

am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?

23:26

kakobrekla: Qntra has comments form. Also no need to do math to post comment

23:27

it's not really math if it has letters in it.

23:27

i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.

23:27

its bizzare that greek debt is financed atleast was financed in past via some usa banks lol

23:27

who in turn seems to packed and sold it as derivatives

23:28

afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words

23:28

kakobrekla: BingoBoingo: according to bitcoin charts bitstamp is #3 in volume right now

23:28

i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.

23:28

'big boxy pc' <<< wtf

23:29

ascii_modem: maybe she meant your lisp machine?

23:29

i think it's a he, of sorts.

23:29

New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-alleged-to-have-requested-users-stop-making-deposits/

23:29

yeah, we know scoopbot

23:29

any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs

23:29

kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.

23:29

:D

23:29

books lol

23:29

im bashing that.

23:30

;;gettrust fun

23:30

oh fucking hell

23:30

u still use gribble? :D

23:30

obviously not.

23:30

;;gribbles_retarded_cousin

23:30

and jack shit i can do about it, too, because notary's dead and so on and so fucking forth.

23:30

who here knows a bit about forex?

23:31

everybody.

23:31

bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them

23:31

well how can I buy CME globex fx options?

23:31

via some broker?

23:31

ideally.

23:32

ascii_modem nope.

23:32

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16676 @ 0.00063023 = 10.5097 BTC [-] {2}

23:32

they don't use these big, blocky pc things.

23:32

they use sleek string.

23:32

sleek walrus guts.

23:32

Fun: I guess you can call up someone in chicago and ask?

23:33

punkman im not one iota closer to a sensible situaiton here.

23:33

would you please not go all pankake ?

23:34

well I'm still here

23:34

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2J8B8W4.txt )

23:34

!b 2

23:34

perhaps :)

23:34

decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it

23:34

New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-december-2014-statement/

23:34

ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik

23:34

anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?

23:35

https://keybase.io/coinbaseguy << coinbase apparently has a GPG key published

23:35

punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.

23:35

http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/fx/g10/euro-fx_quotes_globex_options.html?optionExpiration=H5

23:35

Euro FX Option (American) (EUR/USD) Quotes - CME Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdDQya )

23:35

thestringpuller not on their site ? maybe it's really /coinbasederp instead ?

23:35

the price for option is in those high low columns or where?

23:36

unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?

23:36

Fun in the last, normally.

23:36

ascii_modem right.

23:36

but they have https

23:37

mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment

23:37

ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.

23:37

they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.

23:37

easily repudiable, worth nothing at all.

23:37

Fun: if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html

23:37

... ( http://bit.ly/1AdEmfy )

23:37

eventually kako can ask them in meatspace

23:37

punkman and you're doing this suddenly and without consultation while it's also down unnaounced because why ?

23:37

decimation: I want to buy options direct

23:37

for max profit :D

23:37

Fun not for plebs.

23:38

irrelevant :D

23:38

but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.

23:38

seems so

23:38

easily repudiable << is this why twitter has to verify celebrities?

23:38

Fun: on the web brokerages mircea suggests they certainly sell options on those etfs

23:38

probably much more liquid than holding something special

23:38

decimation: I see

23:38

ty

23:38

decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.

23:38

'verify'

23:38

yeah I'm gonna check out my brokerage and see

23:38

thestringpuller doubt it.

23:39

!up wserd

23:39

!up wserd

23:39

!up ascii_modem

23:39

so last is 0.0281 means 0.0281 usd for lot? or what :D

23:39

ty

23:39

normally, yes.

23:40

well, here are alleged headers http://dpaste.com/3WBH04T

23:40

dpaste: 3WBH04T ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdETOH )

23:40

tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.

23:40

1 lot is 125,000 seems so

23:40

seems pretty cheap @ option price :)

23:41

cazalla: when will people stop using HTML encoded email

23:41

I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D

23:42

mircea_popescu: it was DDoS'd/hacked, I got some PHP hosting as solution for DDoS. Existing version can be backup withing 24 hours if someone wants to administer it/protect from ddos/etc. Nobody wants to do that, so I haz to write PHP.

23:42

punkman where'd you ask ?

23:42

there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.

23:42

should be in logs

23:42

what's current version run again ? python was it ?

23:42

yep

23:42

!s from:punkman administer

23:42

0 results for 'from:punkman administer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Apunkman+administer

23:42

yeah my brokerage allows direct trading of futures if you have 'approval' and a non-trival account value

23:43

php hosting ?!

23:43

decimation: futures and options?

23:43

thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters

23:43

punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.

23:44

why rewrite from python to PHP ? seems like a poor downgrade in everything

23:44

for one thing, ddos'd/hacked is an unlikely combo. which was it ?

23:44

Apocalyptic i dunno wtf he's doing, im sitting here debugging a lengthy string of nonsense resulted from engineer deciding arbitrarily to selfmanage mid process.

23:45

about as pleasant a thing as fifty years worth of dilbert rolled up in one fat joint.

23:45

fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.

23:45

except the other side.

23:45