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00:01 herbijudlestoids i am really enjoying my freebsd hobby project, gives me opportunity to implement so many things that i have let go past because i didnt need it for work
00:01 herbijudlestoids so far: squid, ldap, kerberos, djbdns, postfix, and today i finished setting up nginx and getting "A" score on the qualys ssl test
00:02 herbijudlestoids next: https://github.com/nbs-system/naxsi
00:02 assbot nbs-system/naxsi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMrGZ )
00:02 ben_vulpes well that was quite the refactor
00:03 ben_vulpes i went heads down, next thing i know you asshats have crapped out 800 loglines
00:03 ben_vulpes and an herbijudlestoids!
00:03 herbijudlestoids hullo mr fox
00:03 ben_vulpes ;;ident herbijudlestoids
00:03 gribble Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is not identified.
00:03 herbijudlestoids is so :(
00:03 herbijudlestoids i just identified with you bastard bot
00:04 ben_vulpes !gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
00:04 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/herbijudlestoids | http://w.b-a.link/user/herbijudlestoids
00:04 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
00:04 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014
00:04 herbijudlestoids ;;ident herbijudlestoids
00:04 gribble Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is identified as user 'herbijudlestoids', with GPG key id CA8F764D7A6DC051, key fingerprint 7BFEED118C1BD7FA160C7780CA8F764D7A6DC051, and bitcoin address None
00:04 herbijudlestoids yeah. damn u.
00:05 ben_vulpes ok ok
00:05 herbijudlestoids i guess i should stop using my home computer to connect here and start using this freebsd node
00:05 herbijudlestoids brb.
00:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=711276 << this you'll appreciate. grep for "Doctor_Why_Bother"
00:06 assbot Does Anyone Read "The Last Psychiatrist"? - Straight Dope Message Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsMSAY )
00:08 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
00:10 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing << for those blessedly uncontaminated with "c machine" constructs, it's hard to tell where the "c++" leaves off and the "boost" begins. it's clear that it's used in every for loop (c++ doesn't have iteration constructs?!), but the question if you didn't read closely enough was "why bother?" not "should one?"
00:11 decimation mircea_popescu: that's a lulzy exchange. the doctor_why_bother guy is a living example of 'he misses the forest for the tiny sapling'
00:11 mircea_popescu more generally, of dunning-kruger
00:12 mircea_popescu people thinkg that effect only shows up in idiots, and so not in them. which of course is the very point.
00:12 mircea_popescu but in fact, the moderately stupid are just as handicapped understanding why they aren't smarter as very smart people are, understanding THE SAME THING (ie, why they aren't smarter).
00:13 ben_vulpes <Adlai> it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time << oh this is great news you mean i have to take care of both ends? great.
00:14 decimation it's like watching a cripple trip on a bump, adjacent to which is a sign that says "attention cripples: do not trip on this bump"
00:14 mircea_popescu your average doobie, with a mediocre college degree and an ESL culture mostly geared towards ingested summaries is perfectly unable to decode metaphor or recognise complex enough patterns and fill in the gaps. this to him is frustrating, and the frustration is predictably resolved by lashing out (hey, it's the guy fault for using rferences i have to google and math i don't grok!11). in no way better than a clinical mor
00:14 mircea_popescu on angry at people who can write.
00:15 thestringpuller mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge
00:15 mircea_popescu for that matter, my "which of course is the very point" above is also "not very clear", in the sense that if one isn't particularly bright, the recursion of "what dk says is that people think they're better than they are" is not immediately glob'd into the expression.
00:16 mircea_popescu for that matter, if one doesn't have the culture to know that glob's a verb, the above is also "a very bad argument" .and so on.
00:16 asciilifeform decimation: 'macrofab' << i worked through an entire board.
00:16 asciilifeform decimation: it's a piece of shit
00:16 asciilifeform decimation: loses xy coords for -all- parts
00:16 decimation asciilifeform: lol thanks for jumping on that
00:17 decimation but ascii, it's in 'beta'
00:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes : take the bright side of life. "not liking kids is not a valid reason to not have any - you'll be stuck with some anyway."
00:17 asciilifeform decimation: and demands weird gerber layers that i haven't got
00:17 asciilifeform what a fucking waste of hour
00:17 asciilifeform cranked through all the parts substitutions crap
00:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform stop wasting your hours! you're a process man, you belong to s.nsa now!
00:17 decimation my understanding is that you are required to manually place the parts
00:17 thestringpuller "blocks" : 164713
00:17 decimation in a 'mechanical turk' fashion
00:17 asciilifeform (for what? rng. small board, nothing secret therein. yes, motherfucker has my gerbers now)
00:17 asciilifeform decimation: semi-automatic turk
00:18 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it gets worse. some even work for me.
00:18 decimation asciilifeform: did you use eagle?
00:18 asciilifeform aha
00:18 decimation I might try kicad to see what it does
00:18 asciilifeform did try it
00:18 asciilifeform and even took a month last year - learned geda
00:18 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes so do mine. but at least a) i actually fuck them and b) i don't take them without a significant prior investment from other people.
00:18 decimation there's another similar vendor https://circuithub.com/ << supposedly they actually deliever
00:18 assbot CircuitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsOfzL )
00:18 asciilifeform geda is great in every way except for being terminally buggy and the fill polygons fell apart
00:19 asciilifeform kikad is unusable on linux (on every box i own) - gui redraw bug
00:19 decimation asciilifeform: I find kicad amusing - when you go to download they have a little description begging not to download the 'old stable' version
00:19 asciilifeform and, even were this fixed, its autorouter is dumb as rocks
00:19 ben_vulpes sage words
00:19 ben_vulpes next career
00:20 mircea_popescu decimation why not ?
00:21 asciilifeform decimation: circuithub << wait, lol!!! >> 'In order to upload your first project, please create or link a Dropbox account.'
00:21 decimation because apparently all their new 'features' are in the new 'unstable testing' version
00:21 asciilifeform wtf ?
00:21 decimation asciilifeform: hehe yeah I wondered when you were to walk into that
00:21 decimation they promise that they won't mistreat your data
00:21 asciilifeform i assume they will all 'mistreat the data'
00:21 asciilifeform but why force user to use turd service ?
00:22 decimation I guess because they can't write an http uploader that works?
00:22 * asciilifeform even more disappointed than expected to be
00:22 decimation asciilifeform, what do you expect from 'hardware startup' chumpatronics?
00:22 * asciilifeform does not expect to find one of these things that works for any reasonable value of 'works', because the economics of it are not, to put it very gently, favourable
00:23 decimation supposedly the macrolabs people 'make the economics work' by queuing up all the jobs onto a giant panel
00:23 asciilifeform i could live, for example, with an outfit that would crap out the board and place just the passives (then i xray the damn thing here. and place the actives personally)
00:23 decimation I'm not sure how they 'make it up on volume' if they have to hand place parts on the whole thing
00:24 asciilifeform but i could also live with a pill that propels me on morning commute by enabling me to fart ponies
00:24 decimation pony-farts would be a fairly good way of navigating the dc traffic jams
00:25 decimation apparently the kicad-pcb.org page is dead
00:25 asciilifeform !s a horse splashes
00:25 assbot 0 results for 'a horse splashes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+horse+splashes
00:25 asciilifeform ;;google a horse splashes
00:25 gribble Haldane, On Being the Right Size: <http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html>; .. a man is broken, a horse splashes - Physics Forums: <https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-man-is-broken-a-horse-splashes.585757/>; On Being The Right Size (Hollywood edition). | The Inverse Square ...: <https://inversesquare.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/on-being-the-right-size-hollywood- (1 more message)
00:25 asciilifeform 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'
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00:26 mircea_popescu ^
00:26 mircea_popescu great quote
00:26 asciilifeform famous essay
00:29 asciilifeform decimation: -everybody- queues the jobs into conveyor-width panels.
00:30 asciilifeform decimation: the boojum lies in the nre costs, typically (largely paste stencils, but not only)
00:30 asciilifeform decimation: also there is no small amount of actual human labour involved in the process.
00:30 decimation I suspect they are using one of those 'ink jet' solder paste printers
00:31 asciilifeform decimation: those trade nre for a vastly higher cost per board
00:32 asciilifeform the nozzles (disposable, golden toilet) clog, etc.
00:32 asciilifeform and crap slowly.
00:32 asciilifeform somebody has to watch it go
00:32 asciilifeform etc.
00:32 decimation asciilifeform: if they are truly able to deliver at the prices they quote on the 'demo', it seems likely that they are 'debt funding'
00:33 asciilifeform who?
00:33 decimation the macrolabs people
00:33 asciilifeform circuithub ?
00:33 asciilifeform ah
00:33 asciilifeform nah, i think i figured it out
00:33 asciilifeform assuming the thing isn't simply a blackhole for money,
00:33 asciilifeform (actually ships something)
00:34 asciilifeform they make up the difference by nickel'n'diming the chump for the 'out of house' parts
00:34 ben_vulpes <herbijudlestoids> [] deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc << /me is tres jelly
00:34 asciilifeform e.g., $1.50 to place each 15c resistor they refused to stock
00:34 decimation yes, I couldn't find any mention of the costs of 'non-house' parts
00:34 asciilifeform ^ yes, per unit
00:34 asciilifeform clever chumpamatic
00:34 asciilifeform decimation: you have to crap in an actual project to learn the costs
00:34 decimation nor a catalog of parts that 'can be had for a price'
00:34 asciilifeform it lets you fidget with the selections
00:35 decimation ah, I will upload something and see what I can do
00:35 asciilifeform their selection is, i'd say, rather spotty
00:35 asciilifeform e.g., no 47K 0805 resistor of any grade
00:35 decimation yes their house passive selection is very limited
00:35 decimation and their non-passive even more so
00:35 asciilifeform as for actives, virtually none to be had.
00:36 asciilifeform in short, i am presently at a loss as to what this is good for, how, and why...
00:37 decimation it will be interesting to see if this 'service' continues to exist for a period of time, and if so, how it matures
00:38 thestringpuller decimation: isn't there a super speeder law in VA and MD because people drive so terribly in DC?
00:38 asciilifeform as i understand, it is severely antieconomic and cannot really go anywhere
00:38 decimation thestringpuller: in VA if you are speeding 15 mph over the limit it can be considered 'wreckless'
00:38 asciilifeform that alone would not doom it - consider the world of usg - but the onesie-pcb-assembly business doesn't have the makings of a mass popu-chumpatron
00:39 asciilifeform reckless?
00:41 decimation yeah reckless
00:41 decimation I guess wreckless would be safe driving :)
00:43 decimation asciilifeform: I think they have the nub of a good idea, having all the steps in manufacturing clearly brought out in one spot
00:43 decimation the execution might not be there though
00:43 decimation ah no it's 20 mph in VA http://www.bobbattlelaw.com/faqs/what-is-considered-reckless-driving-speeding-in-virginia.cfm
00:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsQFOB )
00:44 ben_vulpes i got a reckless driving charge one time.
00:44 ben_vulpes ticket was officially for 60 in a 30.
00:44 decimation ben_vulpes: did they try to send you to jail?
00:44 ben_vulpes iirc, i hit 70.
00:45 ben_vulpes lol in portland?
00:46 decimation you guys have a loud n' proud bisexual governor now
00:47 ben_vulpes there's always something silly happening in the backwaters
00:48 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client
00:48 assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
00:49 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2015#965039 < mircea_popescu apparently amex was too fucktarded to keep costco as a client http://fortune.com/2015/02/12/amex-costco-dumps-cards/
00:49 assbot Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
00:49 assbot AmEx shares plunge as Costco dumps its credit cards - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsR8R0 )
00:49 decimation sorry for the dup
00:59 punkman http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26968-telescopic-contact-lenses-let-you-zoom-in-on-demand.html
00:59 assbot Telescopic contact lenses let you zoom in on demand - tech - 13 February 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlAMkB )
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01:19 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2015#1017753 << I was more wondering how much cruft we'll need for that.
01:19 assbot Logged on 14-02-2015 00:20:24; BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
01:20 punkman could just keep the checkpoint stuff though, and not verify all the ecdsa signatures.
01:23 punkman (I'll mention again that if you let VerifySignature run on all tx's, it blows up much sooner than block 168000)
01:24 mircea_popescu decimation ouch, amex kinda set to go out of biz huh.
01:24 mircea_popescu the obvious effect of "keynesian" money pumping is bubbles, but that's not the worst effect.
01:25 mircea_popescu the worst effect is that everything forms monopolies. in a physics intuitive approach, what QE does is basically increase the superficial tension. this forces bubbles to merge.
01:26 mircea_popescu in another perspective, qe is an abdication of monetarty sovereignty. sovereignity is a fixed sum, so it just moves in other parts of the system - monopolies form.
01:27 mircea_popescu but in any case, however you explain it on the "micro" basis : competition and central control are mutually contradictory. much like anabolic and catabolic processes.
01:27 decimation yes, the us today is more-or-less dominated by centralized megabusiness
01:28 decimation because 'must grow big to get a seat at the table where they hand out bezzlars'
01:28 punkman decimation: just the US?
01:28 decimation punkman: aren't you in france?
01:28 mircea_popescu greece.
01:29 decimation the eu has their own version
01:29 mircea_popescu decimation it's not even that, it's just... the *meaning* of money changes.
01:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Amex is fine. They partnered with Walmart for poor people ATM cards
01:29 mircea_popescu they're getting bought out
01:30 decimation the 'meaning of money' seems to have a scale from 'tool to settle private debts' to 'note from stalin'
01:31 asciilifeform old hat. east india company ran as much on the latter as the former
01:31 decimation http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-12/amex-grip-on-wealthy-consumers-seen-slipping-as-rivals-take-bite
01:31 assbot AmEx Grip on Wealthy Consumers Seen Slipping as Rivals Take Bite - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVxGn4 )
01:31 decimation "Chief Executive Officer Ken Chenault, 63, has introduced new products aimed at younger and less-affluent customers as AmEx seeks to broaden its appeal. The lender is working with companies including Uber Technologies Inc. and Apple Inc. to expand mobile payments, and courted Americans who lack access to traditional banks with products like its Bluebird prepaid card, offered at Wal-Mart Stores Inc."
01:32 asciilifeform decimation: this is a pretty standard dynamic of 'leningrad siege, no coal, let's burn the sofa'
01:32 decimation wtf, when did it ever make sense as a creditor to make enemies with those who had money in order to court those who don't?
01:32 decimation yeah it seems that way
01:33 asciilifeform they cash in their 'brand' for chump massification
01:33 asciilifeform (what is the 'added value' of a prepay spamcard with 'amex' logo? solely the psychological tie with 'rich')
01:34 decimation kinda like how 'hp' now brands chumper printer cartridges, instead of quality reliable test equipment
01:35 mircea_popescu https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/4232/4232146/00050edc-db76-1a9e-3e51-e2d153eb422d_720.jpg
01:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVy70J )
01:35 asciilifeform decimation: hp's been branding chumpcartridges since '90s
01:36 mircea_popescu decimation the ones who "don't" are more valuable as bezzle access. the ones who "do" really don't.
01:36 asciilifeform that's not the news, but that they stopped doing anything else. like the illusory growth of a corpse's beard
01:36 mircea_popescu ie, boa was "too big to fail" because it held a lot of mortgages of people WHO COULDNT PAY FOR THEM.
01:36 mircea_popescu meanwhile jpm was NOT tbtf, because it held a lot of money from people who had money, so it could you knoiw, just steal that,
01:36 mircea_popescu so it didn't need govt money.
01:37 mircea_popescu it quickly becomes perverse, the game of "let's have government in the market"
01:37 decimation yeah there is no escape
01:37 mircea_popescu by now a "we hold 100mn chumps, who pay us 0, give us usd" is a better revenue source than "we have 1mn people paying us 1k a year each"
01:38 mircea_popescu as proven by, for instance, whatsdumb.
01:38 decimation a dark force dissolves every economic decision into a sjw forum
01:39 mircea_popescu well this is the problem, you know ? once you decide to try nuclear detonations in your livingroom you can no longer have "fresh milk"
01:39 asciilifeform folks stupid enough to try (1) will proceed to (2)
01:39 asciilifeform like clockwork.
01:40 BingoBoingo Strontium makes bones strong and genes novel
01:40 mircea_popescu lol
01:41 decimation !b 8
01:41 assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WXXPAE.txt )
01:46 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
01:48 mircea_popescu https://flpics0.a.ssl.fastly.net/1728/1728220/00050ef8-c44d-8b6c-90b3-6472a2bbc7d8_720.jpg << now this is some hardcore lightsabering.
01:48 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVzmgn )
01:49 Vexual ;;laserkittens
01:49 gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
01:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: isn't it odd that engl. doesn't (afaik) have a word for блат - that other capital that u.s. economy actually runs on today, as discussed above
01:57 mircea_popescu blat ? ahahaha
01:58 asciilifeform (roughly might translate as 'pull' or 'crown concession' but not quite)
01:58 mircea_popescu it's a quite respectable romanian word.
01:58 mircea_popescu ;;google ce inseamna sa faci un blat ?
01:58 gribble Reţetă blat de pizza | RETETE | prajituri | mancare | BarbatLaCratita: <http://www.barbatlacratita.ro/2011/02/reteta-blat-de-pizza.html>; Cum se face aluatul de pizza pufos, crocant? | Pofta Buna!: <http://pofta-buna.com/cum-se-face-aluatul-de-pizza-pufos-crocant/>; Pizza Traditionala Italiana | Retete culinare Laura Adamache: <http://www.lauraadamache.ro/2008/07/pizza- (1 more message)
01:58 asciilifeform call it 'fapital' perhaps
01:58 asciilifeform or crapital
01:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's more or less universal in the slavic and bordering cultures, afaik. and other orcish nations (cn) have own word that is closely analogous
01:59 mircea_popescu (in romanian it means, literally, the dough part of a pizza or a cake)
01:59 asciilifeform 'guanxi' in cn, iirc
02:00 Vexual Whaa?
02:01 Vexual Ascii you're picking up Chinese?
02:01 asciilifeform Vexual: one unavoidably picks up various things, like the strontium from earlier thread
02:03 asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/I9Y4Leo.jpg << unrelated vintage lulz
02:03 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVAPU2 )
02:04 Vexual So many dialects in China.
02:04 asciilifeform ^ the incident itself is quite famous, but i somehow escaped knowing that the detailed reversing of the bug was made public
02:06 asciilifeform likewise mentioned is the fact that the bug was deliberately set to overlap with freq. of a local tv station.
02:06 asciilifeform (sacrifice range, gain - the obvious)
02:06 Vexual Lol
02:08 asciilifeform the typewriter case is interesting, from a history of usg point of view, because it appears to be the turning point for nsa
02:08 asciilifeform that is, when their present direction was decided on.
02:08 asciilifeform (turned, that is, from traditional signal-gathering to sabotage, cribbed, yes, from ru)
02:09 mircea_popescu sabotage ? looks more like judy.
02:09 mircea_popescu as in, punch and judy
02:10 mircea_popescu the principal job of the nsa since about the 2010s is to be publicly and outrageously humiliated.
02:10 asciilifeform if there is evidence of usg crafting functioning but diddled parts for a mass-produced machine, slipping'em in, etc. prior to this cribbing, i for one do not know of it
02:10 asciilifeform a 'f-student' who cribs what he sees as 'good idea' becomes immediately obsessed with it
02:10 asciilifeform to the point of utter laughability
02:12 asciilifeform (and yes, 'crypto ag' - nsa shill - sold diddled cipher machines for half a century and (!) counting. not counting shams-by-design here, only surreptitiously-modified products)
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03:17 cazalla This, however, is very much the result of choices in the design of the system: anyone may create a bitcoin address at a whim, as long as it is unique. But the Bitcoin Foundation—the organization that has authority over the bitcoin protocol—could change that. Before creating a new address, users could be forced to authenticate with a trusted organization. This organization would securely store information about identities, and this infor
03:17 cazalla mation could be revealed to law-enforcement agencies only when a request for access is legally approved.
03:17 cazalla more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/two-major-problems-with-bitcoin-and-how-to-solve-them/
03:17 assbot Two major problems with bitcoin, and how to solve them ... ( http://bit.ly/1F96UsK )
03:22 ben_vulpes people may definitively lose interest, eh?
03:22 ben_vulpes mhmsure.
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03:39 cazalla http://rt.com/usa/232219-chelsea-manning-hormone-therapy/ what a bunch of fags And from 2001 to 2011, there were 3,177 veterans diagnosed with gender identity disorder according to the Veterans Affairs Department, while overall it is estimated than one in 11,000 male babies and one in 30,000 female babies are born with the disorder, according to the Veterans Health Administration.
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05:43 BingoBoingo http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=6968077&cid=49051213
05:43 assbot Smart Homes Often Dumb, Never Simple - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/19heGUv )
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05:57 cazalla so the telco here has a campaign where they will publish your texts on their billboard above one of their stores.. http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg
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06:31 BingoBoingo lol at the billboard
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07:20 Adlai ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011801 << how much is "a few", and how open are you to considering more frequent compensation?
07:20 assbot Logged on 07-02-2015 17:57:05; mircea_popescu: nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
07:20 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:28 BingoBoingo Adlai: When I was enlisted it was 10% of profit from the first year and negotiable beyond that after having lived a year. Market I traded lost its trade worthiness sooner than the one year though.
07:28 Adlai ty
07:28 BingoBoingo It's posted on Trilema somewhere
07:29 Adlai one issue i'm thinking about right now is whether this is really the kind of investment mpif is after: the last two days have generated an (unrealized) loss, despite the overall portfolio valuation jumping by ~$50 per bot
07:30 BingoBoingo Well bookeeping is almost certainly going to be BTC denominated
07:30 Adlai right, that's why it's showing up as an unrealized loss, rather than a realized gain
07:31 * Adlai already bookkeeps in btc, but he lets the bot mostly do as it sees fit, which means it travels across the entire range of all-in-btc to all-in-fiat, should the market take it there
07:32 Adlai of course, this behavior is controllable
07:33 BingoBoingo Sync'd up to late January 2013
07:34 Adlai oh lol, you were market making Altcoin, so no wonder it lost tradeability :P
07:35 BingoBoingo Yeah
07:35 Adlai my long-term (years/decades) plan for scalpl, assuming i don't lose interest by then, is commodities, since i'm hoping by that point "forex" becomes a quaint anachronism
07:36 Adlai but meanwhile btc/fiat's volume makes a great sandbox
07:36 Adlai although i guess that's more due to s/ume/atility/
07:38 Adlai "The latter is structured so that no withdrawals are possible at the manager’s initiative" << oh hello, this sounds familiar!
07:41 BingoBoingo Netted a small profit on the RON, and a loss on ATC when the alternative revealed it self to be potentially unbounded costs to keep the thing alive through mining
07:44 Adlai which is why i'm sticking to government-mined altcoins
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08:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.0004228 = 7.6493 BTC [+] {2}
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09:48 danielpbarron i like amex because they gave me a card without me giving them my slave id number, although i suspect they just looked it up from some database
09:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00043203 = 20.0462 BTC [+]
10:04 BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch
10:04 thestringpuller why isn't it working?
10:05 BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/
10:05 assbot Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8IcIm )
10:06 thestringpuller yea scoopbot ain't workibg PeterL
10:11 thestringpuller good morning mircea_popescu
10:11 mircea_popescu hey/
10:12 mircea_popescu this shit's seriously a lot mopre trouble than it's worth.
10:20 danielpbarron so uh.. it comes as little suprise to me that my pogo using a solid state drive is significantly faster than the one using a regular laptop hard drive
10:21 mircea_popescu it just won't last as long.
10:21 danielpbarron i suspected harddrive read/write was the bottleneck back when i was building my first full node
10:24 danielpbarron also, i have sucessully re-installed the OS on one of them multiple times; it is possible to screw up the install and recover from it without any major disassembly required
10:25 danielpbarron you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default
10:26 danielpbarron and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed
10:26 mircea_popescu pretty great find this
10:32 mircea_popescu ;;seen trinque
10:32 gribble trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <trinque> mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
10:33 mircea_popescu im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
10:33 mircea_popescu ;;later tell trinque YO! deedbot!
10:33 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:33 BingoBoingo Oh, hearn has his own shadow implementation -XT!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/
10:33 assbot Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8NZ0y )
10:33 mircea_popescu lol
10:34 BingoBoingo Only advertises offering 2 new unfeatures
10:35 mircea_popescu "It seems to be a way to extend and patch thee Bitcoin network without waiting on slow Bitcoin Core improvements."
10:35 mircea_popescu it seems there's some worms more eager than some others in the government biscuit.
10:35 BingoBoingo ;;later tell ben_vulpes mod6 http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/ for when you get to porting maybe some notes might be useful
10:35 assbot Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8OpEk )
10:35 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:37 mircea_popescu cazalla: more lulzy shit at http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more).
10:37 assbot Canadian Business - Your source for market news, investing, technology, economy and Canadian industry ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8ON5G )
10:37 mircea_popescu boy that'll suck.
10:38 mircea_popescu cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/yW8gIft.jpg << ahgahaah wtf!
10:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8P7kW )
10:46 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colaexv
10:46 assbot ButterNubber comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eba8Z6 )
10:50 BingoBoingo "
10:50 BingoBoingo The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will
10:50 BingoBoingo always support SPV wallets." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoinj/Y9ZOOmfJHuc
10:50 assbot Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8RVOV )
10:52 mircea_popescu heh k.
10:53 BingoBoingo Bitcoin Core upredictable, Let's make it more so
10:54 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works.
10:56 thestringpuller you are just oppressing my wood chipper rights!
11:03 thestringpuller !l m s.qntr
11:03 assbot Last trade for S.QNTR on MPEX was at 0.00025459 BTC [+]
11:03 thestringpuller !t m s.qntr
11:03 assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021897 / 0.00023047 / 0.00026 (22881 shares, 5.27 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)
11:11 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/psuedonode-proxy-fools-bitcoin-full-node-incentive-program/
11:11 assbot PsuedoNode Proxy Fools Bitcoin Full Node Incentive Program | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8WCZ6 )
11:12 mircea_popescu lol awww.
11:12 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo invite basil00 over eh.
11:13 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Dunno him, thestringpuller wrote that up and sourced it
11:13 thestringpuller all i have is his github and reddit usernames
11:13 thestringpuller i can send him pm in reddit
11:17 thestringpuller sent
11:17 mircea_popescu cool
11:24 asciilifeform danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default << this is not a feature of the machine, but of the modified 'uboot' installed by the script you used.
11:25 asciilifeform danielpbarron: what's more, this is guaranteed not to happen on the final box, because we'll actually use the 128M eeprom for the os.
11:25 asciilifeform danielpbarron: (your setup - doesn't)
11:26 danielpbarron ah, i had a feeling that was the case
11:27 danielpbarron i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
11:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: pseudonode << mega-lol! >> 'Otherwise, if PseudoNode can connect to at least some good nodes (default 2), then will PseudoNode will acts just like a normal node and contributes network bandwidth.' << 'contributes bandwidth' !?!?!?
11:27 asciilifeform eats - yes
11:27 asciilifeform contributes ?
11:28 BingoBoingo no contribution without verification
11:29 asciilifeform the only thing it can do is add delay - and, potentially, diddle (you connect, thinking it was a node, but really this)
11:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5949 @ 0.00042807 = 2.5466 BTC [-]
11:38 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
11:38 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
11:38 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 248.64, vol: 16328.91254348 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 245.993, vol: 16418.1363 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 248.8, vol: 60076.29357212 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 247.216263, vol: 273739.29310000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.0, vol: 32.86977983 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 235.82995, vol: 149.97156036 | Volume-weighted last average: 247.479467217
11:38 gribble Current Blocks: 343467 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1268 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45854879064.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.14801
11:42 thestringpuller scoopbot on da fritz
11:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0004143 = 3.4801 BTC [-]
11:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26388 @ 0.00041305 = 10.8996 BTC [-] {2}
11:48 BingoBoingo http://blog.thinkst.com/p/if-nsa-has-been-hacking-everything-how.html?m=1
11:48 assbot thinkst Thoughts...: If the NSA has been hacking everything, how has nobody seen them coming? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BbnTcG )
11:49 asciilifeform aha, 'nobody.'
11:49 kakobrekla more tracking http://pressreleases.visa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=215693&p=irol-newsarticlePR&ID=2016148
11:49 assbot Press Release | Visa Corporate | Visa Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bbo2wQ )
11:51 asciilifeform 'and the the word "implant" was almost never used in security circles' << usually called 'bug' (in the 'room is bugged' sense) outside of usg
11:51 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "Thanks, but unfortunately it is already late in my part of the world. Perhaps send any questions via email and I'll try to respond in ~10hours (after sleep). Email: basil@reqrypt.org"
11:54 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Really, just dropping a plaintext email address in IRC for spamzors to pick up?
11:57 thestringpuller ~_~ never again
12:03 Adlai bitcoin inflation subsidizes the operation of the world's most energy inefficient clock
12:03 Adlai and it's quite imprecise, too
12:04 kakobrekla clock is scam
12:04 kakobrekla time is arbitrary
12:11 mircea_popescu there's no way to express bitcoin in fiat terms. it's not "a clock", because the meaning of "a clock" does not carry in bitcoin. yes it divides time, but differently in fundamental ways.
12:12 mircea_popescu "energy efficiency" is not a bitcoin consideration. all energy used for non-bitcoin stuff is wasted by definition, in the bitcoin paradigm.
12:12 mircea_popescu etc etc.
12:14 kakobrekla somehow i missed this also https://static.slo-tech.com/63610.jpg
12:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsAUMU )
12:28 mircea_popescu heh. who even wants these new derpy tvs
12:29 mircea_popescu i suppose the next step is, "participate in derpland has talent with your tv set!" and hopefully that'll relieve us of most of the current imbeciles online.
12:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36119 @ 0.00039193 = 14.1561 BTC [-] {2}
12:41 Adlai mircea_popescu: _all_ energy, or the delta between current mining energy use, and half the planet's total energy expenditure?
12:42 Adlai the economics change once unutilized energy is insufficient to attack the network
12:42 mircea_popescu unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
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12:42 * Adlai suspects; take everything he says with the usual shaker of salt
12:42 mircea_popescu as far as bitcoin is concerned, there's no point to energy other than mining.
12:42 Adlai signing transactions takes a bit of energy, and without fees from signed transactions, there's no point to mining
12:42 mircea_popescu no point in mining FOR HUMANS.
12:42 Adlai ?
12:43 mircea_popescu gotta compartimentalize the povs.
12:43 Adlai ok, i see
12:44 Adlai still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining
12:44 Adlai i guess it would depend on the profitability, which starts getting outside the scope of bitcoin itself
12:46 mircea_popescu is there a rational incentive to continue adding man-hours to women's studies ?
12:46 mircea_popescu rational incentives don't enter into it. as far as derpy social studies types are concerned, all effort available should go into that.
12:47 mircea_popescu the difference is that they enforce this through statal redistribution, which lives out of a hole in public choice theory,
12:47 * Adlai finds himself again bringing up kahneman, who talks about "humans" vs "econs", the latter describing the rational agents of economic theory, which don't actually exist on this planet
12:47 mircea_popescu whereas bitcoin enforces this through the nature of money.
12:47 mircea_popescu which will crumble in contact with the other is kinda obvious.
12:47 mircea_popescu o yes they do. the "humans" don't exist.
12:48 Adlai ?
12:48 mircea_popescu a whiteknight is not a person. it's a manifestation of particular pathologies empowered by particular economic imbalances.
12:48 mircea_popescu these always revert to the mean.
12:48 Adlai i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only".
12:48 mircea_popescu hm ?
12:49 * Adlai next cites his dog's vet's tatoo, or at least the one he remembers: "humanity is overrated"
12:49 mircea_popescu it's simple : inasmuch as your definition of "human" difers from "econ", it doesn't exist.
12:49 mircea_popescu just like whatever in your definition of "human" differs from human biology is not objective but metaphysical.
12:49 Adlai dunno, it makes perfect sense to me that computers produced by an evolutionary process would be far from perfect
12:49 mircea_popescu sure.
12:50 Adlai so "econs" are these mythical perfectly rational agents, and "humans" are these neurological shitshows full of neuroses and emotions that rarely act rationally. sure, some humans act quite rationally, but they're the exception.
12:51 mircea_popescu if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter".
12:52 Adlai sure. mattering is like driving skill... most datapoints think they're on the opposite side of the curve
12:52 mircea_popescu (ie, "can't carry meaning". just like the foregoing it's also logically necessary, no debate possible. it flows from what you're saying, which is essentially "humans are noise". sure. but noise doesn't really matter. like brownian motion.)
12:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00040355 = 9.4027 BTC [+]
12:57 Adlai dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing
12:57 mircea_popescu but that "nature" === "econ"
12:58 Adlai <insufficient data for meaningful answer)
12:58 mircea_popescu notrly.
12:58 Adlai i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ"
12:59 mircea_popescu just, 'no particular inclination to gaze upon chtulhu'
12:59 mircea_popescu but review the definitions :)
12:59 Adlai it's definitely something else, not "human" - but does it act in its own rational self interest? i'm not sure the concept of "self interest" is meaningful when you're talking about "nature"
12:59 Adlai cf "the planet is fine, the people are fucked"
13:00 Adlai i won't dispute that nature computes.
13:00 mircea_popescu "the planet is fine, the people are fucked" is what people say when they can't digest the obvious "if you could understand more, you could understand more"
13:01 Adlai do you know the source?
13:01 mircea_popescu the planet is fine. "the people" are fine. you are stupid, and your friends ridiculous.
13:01 mircea_popescu carlin neh ?
13:01 Adlai it's carlin on environmentalism, yes
13:01 mircea_popescu right.
13:01 mircea_popescu he doesn't mean the people = "the people". he means the people = your friends.
13:02 Adlai the tl;dr is that "saving the environment" is silly because the environment exists with or without its "savers", and that the real meaning behind "saving the environment" is "keeping this environment as hospitable as possible to us"
13:02 * Adlai has no friends
13:02 mircea_popescu more like, "saving the environment" is just as silly as any one thing a bunch of useless, stupid and ignorant entities that only exist because nobody ground uncle sam into the ground yet could ever do.
13:03 Adlai and now, for something completely different!
13:04 mircea_popescu think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales.
13:04 Adlai when you designed mpex's 'quantum' matching engine, did you consider proposals of the "frequent batch auction" persuasion? i have no stake in this idea, just collecting opinions on it, as i form my own
13:05 mircea_popescu very little about mpex has been publicly discussed.
13:05 Adlai sure, but "frequent batch auction" has been published about a few times
13:05 Adlai http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=8b6cbe2c&page=1
13:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6i5k )
13:06 mircea_popescu good fer it i guess.
13:06 Adlai the actual paper, if anybody is interested in more than a slideshow, is http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=271992c2&page=1
13:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mm6q4B )
13:06 Adlai mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
13:06 mircea_popescu lol kay.
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13:07 * Adlai had heard the buzzword, hadn't bothered to actually read about it until now
13:08 mircea_popescu maybe better take it as "this man won't give me for free stuff that people might get if they pay upwards of six figures in fees. my feeble attempts to defeat his defences through 9yo discoursive tactics are probably going to fare about as well as 9yos generally fare against multi million dollar concerns."
13:08 Adlai it's an interesting idea, although i must say that - as i understand it without having read the entire paper - it's too deterministic for my tastes. i kinda like the idea of deliberately random behavior.
13:08 Adlai lol kay.
13:09 mircea_popescu but in other news, https://flpics2.a.ssl.fastly.net/2066/2066340/00050dbb-17e7-9554-ef52-cc5731d655ac_720.jpg
13:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Esuhdg )
13:11 mircea_popescu !up ruin_dpbs_life
13:11 ruin_dpbs_life danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you
13:11 mircea_popescu ...
13:11 ruin_dpbs_life enjoy going to jail with your terror cel
13:11 ruin_dpbs_life mircea_popescu: you do business wiht dpb i'll get the police in volved
13:11 mircea_popescu aha ?
13:11 mircea_popescu which police is this ?
13:13 mircea_popescu awww he got flooded did he ?!
13:13 danielpbarron !rated xanthyos
13:13 assbot You rated user xanthyos on 08-Oct-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: met in '04; he depends on government subsidies and will side with the USG in order to maintain his leech lifestyle..
13:14 * Adlai was just discussing death threats yesterday... they are as effective against humans as they are ineffective against superhumans
13:14 mircea_popescu ;;later tell ruin_dpbs_life Guilford, Connecticut << it's probably a decent idea to not go throwing around threats off your home ip.
13:14 gribble The operation succeeded.
13:15 danielpbarron he's also throwing them through his phone number
13:15 mircea_popescu are you two ex lovers or something ?
13:15 danielpbarron hah no
13:15 danielpbarron but we go way back
13:15 Adlai i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats?
13:15 Adlai [for police values of "love"]
13:15 mircea_popescu well technically this was more in the vein of horrible maiming and dismemberment threats.
13:16 mircea_popescu lmao he got flooded. imagine the rage.
13:16 Adlai dunno officer, "you're a dead man" seemed quite clear to me
13:16 mircea_popescu o there's that too. well... it's a fair cop...
13:21 mircea_popescu !up benjamindees
13:21 benjamindees it's my understanding that you all are generally in favor of sidechains?
13:21 Adlai yours would be a Miss Understanding.
13:22 benjamindees so you are generally opposed to sidechains?
13:23 mircea_popescu there's really no substitute for reading the logs.
13:23 Adlai no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel.
13:23 Adlai !s sidechains
13:23 assbot 22 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
13:23 Adlai benjamindees: ^
13:23 benjamindees I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
13:23 xanthyos to all USG people reading this log i am not antistatist or anti FIAT and i will turn states evidence on danielpbarron
13:24 xanthyos i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama
13:24 benjamindees mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that
13:24 xanthyos please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore
13:24 mircea_popescu then nobody ain't part of this.
13:24 Adlai benjamindees: i just gave you the shortcut, i believe you misprounounced "thanks"
13:24 mircea_popescu xanthyos but terrorism's nice. plus we have cookies.
13:24 xanthyos i want no affiliation with mircea_popescu the slave holder
13:25 mircea_popescu how about sedition ? are you in favour of sedition ?
13:25 mircea_popescu !s donkeys camels
13:25 assbot 3 results for 'donkeys camels' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=donkeys+camels
13:25 xanthyos /rate xanthyos -1 never voice yourself in assets again
13:25 mircea_popescu benjamindees http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013038 << you could start there.
13:25 assbot Logged on 09-02-2015 00:37:52; mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
13:26 Adlai !gettrust assbot xanthyos
13:26 assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/xanthyos | http://w.b-a.link/user/xanthyos
13:26 mircea_popescu !rated xanthyos
13:26 assbot You have not rated xanthyos.
13:28 Adlai mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin
13:31 mircea_popescu basically, to quote the ancient http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ :
13:31 assbot Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsBPMQ )
13:31 mircea_popescu Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person".
13:31 mircea_popescu it's a bunch of fiat derps refusing to submit.
13:31 mircea_popescu which is fine, they can struggle for as long as they can gather the energy.
13:32 Adlai note that for the "real bitcoin", this just has the effect of further distinguishing it as such, if the current mess didn't do that well enough
13:32 mircea_popescu indeed.
13:33 mircea_popescu good article, that, incidentally, in that it plainly discusses in 2013 things people imagine are "about the future" in 2015.
13:34 benjamindees so, you're saying sidechains are better than alts
13:34 mircea_popescu all screws are better than thumbtacks for the man holding a hammer.
13:35 benjamindees "there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way. The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed.
13:36 mircea_popescu ...
13:36 mircea_popescu so your avenue to pay for your starbucks is a) give them some of your money ; b) borrow some money to give them or c) buy another soda ?
13:36 mircea_popescu what is this, the cartoons ?
13:37 benjamindees more transactions == growth in transaction volume == more fees, not just higher fees
13:37 Adlai benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
13:38 * Adlai thinks that federated sidechains are a great idea and cointip, bitbase, changepay, whatever they're called - should be using those, if they want transparency
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040355 = 7.4253 BTC [+]
13:38 benjamindees Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it. I was under the impression you were for the idea.
13:39 Adlai again, federated sidechains - great idea. you want a ledger with centralized control but accessible to the public, that manipulates btc denominated assets? this is how.
13:39 benjamindees I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
13:39 Adlai (granted, it's a lot more work than just asking people to trust you)
13:40 Adlai !s rai stones
13:40 assbot 1 results for 'rai stones' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rai+stones
13:41 mircea_popescu benjamindees you're completely and utterly misrepresenting the discussion.
13:41 benjamindees feel free to correct me
13:41 mircea_popescu if you're doing this by accident, you'll stfu and go read. if you're doing it deliberately... well... you'll keep at it and we'll have our lulz and move on.
13:41 mircea_popescu i do not correct you, you're not tim fucking swanson. you correct you.
13:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1983 @ 0.00077099 = 1.5289 BTC [-]
13:42 benjamindees I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
13:42 Adlai benjamindees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones << money doesn't have to be convenient to be useful, and there are zillions of ways to handle amounts that aren't worth the transaction cost of lugging the whole thing around; some ways are more transparent (like federated sidechains), and others less (like changetip). non-federated sidechains require changing bitcoin itself, so let's see real
13:42 assbot Rai stones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaWU2f )
13:42 Adlai world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢
13:43 mircea_popescu the notion that you may participate without understanding is like... well, what all comedy gold is made out of, i guess.
13:43 mircea_popescu how did you get this idea, that if you don't follow something it's incumbent on me/the school/the world to fix it for you ?
13:43 mircea_popescu go read shit until you get it.
13:44 benjamindees ...
13:44 Adlai think of the sarcasm as a barrier of entry against butthurtion
13:52 Adlai "but the energy, effort and resources which could have been expended on comfortably yielding and productively submitting" << lol
13:52 mircea_popescu myeah.
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14:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6481 @ 0.00039004 = 2.5278 BTC [-]
14:26 mircea_popescu !up Birdman
14:27 Birdman !down mircea_popescu
14:27 Birdman just kiddin, sup
14:27 mircea_popescu what's this, democracy ?
14:27 Birdman ^
14:39 punkman ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut
14:44 asciilifeform i go out for just one hour to workshop, and what do you know, we have new surrender-monkeys ?
14:44 asciilifeform how many? two?
14:44 punkman just xanthyos I suppose
14:44 punkman wasn't he the fellow with the broken dick?
14:45 asciilifeform gavinandresen_ has quit (Client Quit) << lol! the real deal?
14:45 danielpbarron punkman, yeh
14:46 punkman danielpbarron: why the hardon for you?
14:46 asciilifeform and did i miss some political wank or other? did they have a public impalement of heretics on the washington monument, and i missed this ?
14:46 danielpbarron he has nothing better to do, and has apparently been obsessing about me
14:47 asciilifeform why the surge of 'i love the fuhrer'
14:47 punkman paranoia about losing benefits?
14:47 danielpbarron yes; he gets checks from the state for being crazy
14:48 danielpbarron he's never worked for a living in his life
14:48 asciilifeform this does not automagically explain publicly creaming one's pants for usg
14:49 asciilifeform plenty of folks get their daily bread from $sponsor while hating with exquisite hate
14:49 * Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient
14:51 asciilifeform related:
14:51 asciilifeform 'The Russian author Eduard Limonov wrote of his experiences with poverty in America. To his joy, he discovered that he could supplement his cash earnings with public assistance. But he also quickly discovered that he had to keep this joy well hidden when showing up to collect his free money. It is a curious fact that in America public assistance is only made available to the miserable and the downtrodden, not to those who are
14:51 asciilifeform in need of some free money but are otherwise perfectly content. Although it is just as possible to be poor and happy in America as anywhere else, here one must make a choice: to avoid any number of unpleasant situations, one must be careful to hide either the fact that one is poor, or the fact that one is happy. If free public money is to be obtained, then only the latter choice remains. It is another curious fact that vast nu
14:51 asciilifeform mbers of Americans, both rich and poor, would regard Limonov's behavior as nothing short of despicable: a foreign author living in America on public assistance while also earning cash! It seems reasonable that the rich should feel that way; if the poor can't be made miserable, then what exactly is the point of being rich?'
14:51 danielpbarron i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me
14:51 asciilifeform (orlov, who else)
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00038643 = 18.027 BTC [-]
14:56 mircea_popescu * Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient << srsly.
15:03 Adlai my first 'irl friend' who became a holder has remarked that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one; so anybody who has been marginalized their entire life (in this case, we were discussing religious minorities, but this equally applies to the 'functionally insane') is automatically more receptive than the mean
15:03 Adlai well, ok, not anybody, those that have learned from being marginalized that 'society' isn't necessarily acting on any good reason
15:03 asciilifeform that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one << wai, wat?! nobody has to know if you have btc
15:04 asciilifeform unlike almost any other activity
15:04 Adlai social, in the sense that you hold fiat because that's what everybody else holds
15:04 Adlai hanging onto cash during times of trouble is rather similar to 'hodl'
15:07 * punkman feels no need to talk about bitcoin with random people or meet local bitcoin holders
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15:43 cazalla way to butcher PseudoNode spelling
15:46 cazalla thestringpuller, http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10413
15:46 assbot New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDtUbn )
15:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2362 @ 0.00073052 = 1.7255 BTC [-] {10}
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16:04 cazalla danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life <<< maybe he can get a job as a postman because he never fails to deliver
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16:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00038329 = 19.452 BTC [-] {2}
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17:02 trinque mircea_popescu: btcd chewed up a drive on me; that stream of "adding orphan block" was preceded by an input/output error barf
17:02 trinque redid the thing with the bootstrap torrent on the server, and it's on mid december as of now
17:09 assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 271 @ 0.00395513 = 1.0718 BTC [-]
17:23 trinque kicked it up to a bigger ec2 instance; not exactly a mindboggling increase in the rate of munching blocks
17:33 mod6 <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs.
17:34 thestringpuller mod6: dyslexia and stuffs. not my best week :(
17:34 mod6 If you got past 168,001 without any erros reported in `./bitcoind getinfo` then you should be alright.
17:34 mod6 thestringpuller: np
17:34 thestringpuller i don't think it will if its running 0.9.8 ssl
17:35 thestringpuller it's also slow as molasses and they want to increase the size of these blocks?
17:35 mod6 well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 }
17:36 thestringpuller oh whoa!
17:36 thestringpuller it got past it
17:36 thestringpuller 180631
17:36 mod6 and recently, TomServo was able to fully sync the blockchain with config: v0.5.3 + patches + { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } AND with openssl v0.9.8o
17:36 mod6 so its totally inconsistant
17:36 thestringpuller "blocks" : 180631
17:37 mod6 ok 180631 and no errors, looking good. see, it's inconsistant :)
17:37 thestringpuller $ openssl version
17:37 thestringpuller OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010
17:37 thestringpuller this is an older box.
17:37 mod6 you're on debian 7 right?
17:37 thestringpuller yea
17:37 thestringpuller wheezy
17:37 mod6 we're running on squeeze (deb 6)
17:38 thestringpuller Ah. damn that was so long ago ~_~
17:38 mod6 you might be the first to be testing on deb7, not sure.
17:39 thestringpuller if it gets current blockheight, i'll open up ports and run this as my full node instead of 0.8 version was tricked in to using.
17:39 mod6 thanks for testing. if you put together a pastebin of your findings: `./bitcoind getinfo` `openssl version -a`, etc. that would be helpful for our permutation matrix
17:40 thestringpuller i'll wait until it either hits a wall or gets current.
17:40 mod6 ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e
17:41 thestringpuller i didn't grok that sentence sorry
17:41 punkman I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7
17:41 mod6 when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
17:41 thestringpuller oh.
17:41 thestringpuller well this is from pl script v 0.0.8?
17:41 mod6 what sentence tsp?
17:41 mod6 yeah.
17:41 thestringpuller oh dynamically linking vs static
17:41 mod6 it'll build, it'll build the `bitcoind` binary dyamically linked.
17:42 mod6 which we won't support.
17:42 thestringpuller what's the benefit of static linking?
17:42 mod6 for the last 48 hours i've been working on trying to get it to build against static libs.
17:43 mod6 it will build all of the necessary things inside of the output binary, instead of leaving that stuff to call out to a seperate place
17:43 thestringpuller okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out)
17:43 mod6 makes for a larger output binary (by about 10mb) but is more safe incase someone were to do something nasty with a lib that is dynamically linked
17:44 mod6 well, w/e
17:44 thestringpuller they have sentenced me to writing ruby for slave labor
17:45 mod6 aight. so yeah, stay tuned. as soon as I get anything working with static libs and static linking of the output object files from the bitcoin source base, I'll give an update.
17:45 thestringpuller do you have specific usecase for inducing the wedge?
17:45 mod6 it probably will take a while.
17:45 thestringpuller for if I wanted to test that.
17:45 mod6 thestringpuller: no.
17:45 mod6 it's inconsistant.
17:45 thestringpuller "non-deterministic" lol
17:46 mod6 as you just proved, it'll make it past it sometimes, and sometimes not. im sure there is some sort of reason for this, but we dont know what it is at this time.
17:47 thestringpuller life's great mysteries?
17:48 mod6 Naw.
17:49 mod6 We'll figure it out at somepoint. I think, for now the important thing is that we have a workaround.
17:50 mod6 There's a lot of moving parts in there, and deps. It's hard to put a finger on what exactly it is, right now. Especially since we are all using slightly different environments. Too many variable.s
17:52 mod6 Anyway, none of this really matters until we can get a statically linked build.
18:07 thestringpuller cazalla: replied. awaiting moderation.
18:07 cazalla thestringpuller, approved, but shouldn't you be working? :P
18:08 thestringpuller on a saturday?
18:12 cazalla i figured it for friday but look.. sunday morning
18:12 thestringpuller dat time travel.
18:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00038839 = 14.953 BTC [+] {2}
18:23 thestringpuller asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922646 << is this why a lot of the US's rockets blew up during "apollo" or what not?
18:26 joecool need to get trust in -assets, i look like the leader of a splinter faction on here http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ lol
18:26 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsOb9z )
18:26 joecool thestringpuller: is that only importing from gribble's wot when a new member joins the -assets wot?
18:28 thestringpuller Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there.
18:28 thestringpuller eventually i plan to run cron job that pulls data from kako's w.b-a.link api
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19:37 BingoBoingo !up Bagels7
19:38 mircea_popescu !up wpalczynski
19:39 mircea_popescu joecool lol maybe you're the head of the black jews.
19:41 joecool *shrugs* stranger things have happened
19:47 mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-security-standard-announced-at-devcore/#comment-10462
19:47 assbot New Security Standard Announced at DevCore | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtRHiv )
19:48 mircea_popescu these people and their narcissistic delusions of self importance.
19:49 BingoBoingo !up hegemoOn
19:49 Bagels7 Hi bingoboingo, im not even verified, and deleted my key and im on windows!
19:49 BingoBoingo Wow
19:50 Bagels7 (its on another device)
19:50 BingoBoingo Ah
19:51 Bagels7 why the up?
19:52 BingoBoingo WHy not?
19:53 mircea_popescu !up felipelalli
19:53 mircea_popescu he can never ruin an uppetite. for even if he ruins one, he has another coming right after!
19:53 wpalczynski what do you guys make of this btc rise? any new behind it?
19:53 wpalczynski *news
19:53 mircea_popescu wpalczynski https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
19:53 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 53 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1CtSH6l )
19:54 mircea_popescu note the dates.
19:55 wpalczynski what are they talking about? how can one share be trading at 185k?
19:56 BingoBoingo Oh, only 10 hearncoin nodes
19:57 TheNewDeal ;;later tell TomServo I'm in town this evening, out tomorrow morn. Will be back thursday
19:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:59 mircea_popescu are you new to all this, wpalczynski ?
20:00 wpalczynski bitbet i am
20:00 mircea_popescu no, finance.
20:00 wpalczynski not new to finance
20:01 wpalczynski ive just never seen a share of any company worth nearly that much
20:01 mircea_popescu well, berkshire is kind-of famous for this reason. you never heard of it ?
20:02 wpalczynski ive heard of some alleged scams associate with it
20:02 mircea_popescu you have ?! like which ?
20:02 wpalczynski is that reallyt what it trades at?
20:02 BingoBoingo Japanese companies tend towards similarly high share prices because of a lack of splits
20:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo also the yen's kinda weak.
20:02 wpalczynski cant really recall to be honest with you
20:03 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That too
20:05 Bagels7 so i was reading trilema.com, just gets me wound up sometimes
20:07 BingoBoingo Which part?
20:07 BingoBoingo !up Bagels7
20:07 Bagels7 how are there no "happy postop transsexuals"
20:09 mircea_popescu dja know any ?
20:09 Bagels7 yeah but they call themselves women not transsexuals
20:11 mircea_popescu anybody over 50 ?
20:12 Bagels7 yes, mainly them i had in mind
20:13 mircea_popescu well, i guess maybe you're better connected in the group than me. i mostly know clinicians.
20:13 Bagels7 okay so i heard that there are some who lose their sex drive and become some sort of bitter bitch but they must have been the ones that were confused or coherced
20:14 mircea_popescu because why ?
20:18 Bagels7 I never asked but I might assume they miss having a dick
20:20 mircea_popescu well, i would imagine if they actually aim to be female they'd miss having a cunt more than having a dick.
20:20 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/
20:20 assbot Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWbPm )
20:22 mircea_popescu lol any good drama ?
20:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol!!
20:23 asciilifeform 'Less than 20% of Bitcoin Foundation members will be eligible to vote due to a new requirement that members "activate" their accounts. Even if they are candidates, current board members, regularly participate in the foundation message boards or are actively involved with the foundation. Even those who just joined within the last month would not be able to vote unless they performed the additional step of "activating" accounts.'
20:23 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just that Brian Goss disenfranchised all of those paying derple https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vw8sk/looks_like_over_80_of_bitcoin_foundation_members/colkoy6
20:23 assbot Bg002h comments on Looks like over 80% of Bitcoin Foundation members are not allowed to vote in the current election - including several candidates & current board members. ... ( http://bit.ly/19iWv0t )
20:23 mircea_popescu aww wait, bruce fenton complaining ?
20:24 BingoBoingo INdeed
20:24 mircea_popescu well, whadda they want, bitcoin scam foundation sold lifetime seats and ran out of money. of course it's not gonna honor them
20:24 mircea_popescu it's like putting your dollars in a roth.
20:25 hanbot i guess "unactivated" is the socially acceptable term for nonhuman. and here i thought it was the concept itself that bothered folks.
20:25 decimation yeah I like the surprisingly reactionary 'election'
20:25 decimation except for the part where they pass it off as a fair election
20:26 asciilifeform having to rig the ballot (rather than the count) is almost iconically 'orc' inept
20:26 mircea_popescu like unactivated virii ?
20:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the funniest part is the notion that anyone gives a shit what comes out of it.
20:29 asciilifeform presumably the usg dept. of retardation or whatnot, which phunds the phoundation, cares.
20:29 decimation plus some bums on reddit
20:29 mircea_popescu hardly.
20:29 mircea_popescu it's more of a contest of possible scapegoats.
20:30 decimation like the soviets, they probably are going to pick the guy who is 'least likely to surrender to the foundation'
20:31 BingoBoingo !b 6
20:31 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ESTAFY.txt )
20:31 hanbot mircea_popescu not inasfar as unactivated virii implies knowable potential
20:34 BingoBoingo http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/01/29/negroes-and-the-gun-a-winchester-in-every-black-home/
20:34 assbot <i>Negroes and the Gun</i>: A Winchester “in every Black home” - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurHBe )
20:34 mircea_popescu http://www.notjustbitchy.com/sadism-is-not-an-excuse-to-be-awful/#comment-5547 << for maximal trololol.
20:34 assbot Sadism is not an excuse to be awful! » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1CurNZw )
20:36 mircea_popescu in other news, http://pervocracy.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-myth-of-boner-werewolf.html is why "safewords" are utter bs. really, "red" midstride ? not happening.
20:36 assbot The Pervocracy: The Myth of the Boner Werewolf. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusaDl )
20:38 asciilifeform paging herr mocsny:
20:38 asciilifeform 'Try this one on for size. A man and woman are together, making out, removing clothes, getting totally naked, engaging in foreplay with both partners active, the woman mounts the man and begins rubbing her stuff on his stuff, without penetration but obviously that’s the next step; and then she suddenly says “I’m uncomfortable doing this,” and turns completely cold. I’ve experienced this. I respected the “No” but
20:38 asciilifeform I have to tell you it felt like an icy dagger being pounded straight into my heart. People tell me I’m pretty easy-going and in that situation I believed I proved it. But I really hope there aren’t too many women who make a habit of this. Because I don’t think men are biologically constructed to pass such tests reliably.'
20:38 asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^
20:39 asciilifeform (from archive, http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-2 )
20:39 assbot » Danimal Archive, part 2. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CusF0f )
20:39 mircea_popescu it's just infantilism. girlie trying to test the limits of her world.
20:39 mircea_popescu it's unhealthy for said world to just infinitely give way in all directions all the time. at least some of the time she has to come face flat against a stone wall.
20:40 mircea_popescu for sanity, if nothing else.
20:40 asciilifeform but in the corner of the room, a little red-white-and-blue weasel sits and whispers in her ear, 'we can move, remove, all the walls, in exchange for just a trifle'
20:41 mircea_popescu tough.
20:42 BingoBoingo And seriously spz safewords are a thing red is a horribru one. Now Balloon or "I'm not just sure, I'm HIV positive" might have some potential.
20:44 mircea_popescu lol
20:44 mircea_popescu i think red is by far the widest used.
20:44 asciilifeform know of any logical reason for this?
20:45 mircea_popescu anyway, the whole construction's fucking irresponsible. for one thing, the subject's not in any position to evaluate anything. there are specific, well documented, well understood biological mechanisms that prevent a sane evaluation.
20:45 mircea_popescu if you handling the cane can't tell when she;s had enough, her with the bruises and marks CERTAINLY can't.
20:46 BingoBoingo Red is one of the worst imagineable for the purpose. It does nothing to break the context of the situation and fits in too many contexts appropirate to the situation. It's like a trailer park feeding trough using icecream as its safe word to get gluttons to leave.
20:46 mircea_popescu not to mention the entire fucking point of the exercise is for the sub/slave to SUBMIT. not to constantly feed the red herring of "individual self determination"
20:46 asciilifeform ^
20:47 mircea_popescu not that i've actually met a woman seriously into bdsm that was all derpy with this atomic consent bs anyway.
20:47 mircea_popescu it's mostly the avatar of teenagers that wish to pretend they're adults, and make up their parallel adult world to inhabit.
20:49 asciilifeform and so read log; now, what's this i hear re: a 10mb statically-linked bitcoind ?!
20:49 asciilifeform what arch ?
20:49 asciilifeform somebody did something odd
20:51 mod6 yeah, im sure i did.
20:52 mod6 dynamically linked ~18mb, statically linked (that didn't work) ~28mb
20:52 mod6 that was on obsd. which subsequently coredumped on execute
20:52 mod6 so ~10mb /difference/
20:53 asciilifeform http://sasecurity.wikia.com/wiki/Encryption << anyone here admits to being responsible for this ?
20:53 assbot Encryption - Sasecurity Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/19iZXrY )
20:55 mod6 im still wrestling with trying to compile bitcoind on linux with statically linked libs & objects.
20:55 asciilifeform mod6: 'portatronic' will do it
20:55 asciilifeform ought to work on any reasonable unix
20:56 asciilifeform did you find otherwise ?
20:56 mod6 no, havnet tried it. ben is building it currently actually. thanks.
20:56 asciilifeform i used that little script to build the armv5 bins
20:56 asciilifeform (also posted to listserv a while ago)
21:05 BingoBoingo mod6: Your appearance reminded me to update with the protocol.cpp #includes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/02/14/notes-on-building-bitcoin-qt-on-openbsd/
21:05 assbot Notes on Building Bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CuwP8e )
21:07 BingoBoingo !up jborkl
21:13 mod6 BingoBoingo: ah, yeah cool. :]
21:14 BingoBoingo I also killed the block files and block index with my build today to test syncing again. Almost to 16801 again.
21:14 mod6 ok cool.
21:15 BingoBoingo This run with a 4GB process RAM limit it hasn't crashed yet. Just crossed the 512 MB line around block 153000
21:17 mod6 *nod* i wanna say that mine usually blows up around like 200-230k or w/e
21:18 BingoBoingo Well I'll report what happens when I get to March 2013 again
21:18 mod6 (always past the last checkpoint, but usually before 252450)
21:18 mod6 ok thanks BB
21:20 BingoBoingo I was at late Feb 2013 though when I killed my stuff to sync again
21:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2681 @ 0.000755 = 2.0242 BTC [+]
21:25 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks
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21:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: don't take my word for it, either. 'valgrind.'
21:26 decimation lol usg http://www.wsj.com/articles/online-document-sheds-light-on-proposed-drone-rules-1423960620
21:26 assbot Online Document Sheds Light on Proposed Drone Rules - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACxNTw )
21:26 asciilifeform (doesn't require any actual work to use, just run as described earlier in log)
21:26 decimation "Federal regulators plan to propose rules that would limit commercial drone flights to below 500 feet, daytime hours and within sight of the operator, while also requiring operators to pass written exams, according to a federal document posted online Friday."
21:26 decimation they've been 'working' on these rules for more than 4 years and this is what they come up with? the status quo?
21:27 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I might give that a go next time
21:27 decimation in case folks are unfamiliar, usg claims the air on 'your' land starting at 0 feet
21:27 asciilifeform decimation: the actual law, as always, is 'not caught, not thief.'
21:27 asciilifeform as with mircea_popescu's unlicense.
21:27 decimation yeah as if people are going to pay usg to fly their 'aircraft' at 500 feet within sight of the operator
21:28 decimation the whole point of the 'drone license' was that somehow drones would be able to fly farther
21:28 asciilifeform the corollary to the 'first law,' 'not caught not thief' - is 'may as well hang for a sheep as a lamb'
21:29 asciilifeform as in, if flying a pilotless machine from washington to new york is punishable with life at hard labour, the cargo may as well be cocaine
21:29 asciilifeform or trotyl
21:29 asciilifeform or whatever.
21:30 BingoBoingo torglodiesel
21:30 BingoBoingo *troglodiesel
21:32 decimation maximal bureaucratic ass covering plus 'anarchotyranny'
21:32 decimation ie 'anarchy for those who choose to thumb their nose at the law', tyranny for anyone who desires to comply
21:33 asciilifeform decimation: nah, 'anarchotyranny' - useful term, commonly understood - is when certain useful idiots are permitted a free hand to terrorize designated victims
21:34 decimation yeah usually the way the term is used, the 'anarchy' group is associated with privileged classes to whom the law does not practically apply
21:36 BingoBoingo http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/14/the-killer-the-reporter-and-the-southern
21:36 assbot The Killer, the Reporter, and the Southern Poverty Law Center - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzhNB )
21:38 decimation BingoBoingo: the splc is one of the official 'victim' group selectors
21:38 BingoBoingo That it is
21:40 asciilifeform http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/nsa3.jpg << small l0l: the ru example is atrociously off
21:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzWP2 )
21:41 asciilifeform (from http://www.ivy-style.com/secret-society-nsa-recruiting-ads-at-brown-1968.html )
21:41 assbot Ivy Style » Secret Society: NSA Recruiting Ads At Brown, 1968 ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACzZdM )
21:41 decimation asciilifeform: what does the ru version say?
21:41 asciilifeform it's a dictionary gloss of the engl.
21:42 decimation ah without conjugation?
21:42 asciilifeform aha.
21:44 mircea_popescu troglodiesel lmao
21:49 decimation lol http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/how-one-stupid-tweet-ruined-justine-saccos-life.html?smid=fb-share
21:49 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KYszCu )
21:50 decimation "“Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding. I’m white!”
21:50 decimation She chuckled to herself as she pressed send on this last one, then wandered around Heathrow’s international terminal for half an hour, sporadically checking her phone. No one replied, which didn’t surprise her. She had only 170 Twitter followers."
21:50 decimation "Sacco boarded the plane. It was an 11-hour flight, so she slept. When the plane landed in Cape Town and was taxiing on the runway, she turned on her phone. Right away, she got a text from someone she hadn’t spoken to since high school: “I’m so sorry to see what’s happening.” Sacco looked at it, baffled."
21:51 decimation No rasis comment goes unpunished!!
21:53 mircea_popescu lol
21:54 mircea_popescu what exactly "was happening" ?
21:54 decimation well, it's our old friends at valleywag
21:54 decimation "It’s possible that Sacco’s fate would have been different had an anonymous tip not led a writer named Sam Biddle to the offending tweet. Biddle was then the editor of Valleywag, Gawker Media’s tech-industry blog. He retweeted it to his 15,000 followers and eventually posted it on Valleywag, accompanied by the headline, “And Now, a Funny Holiday Joke From IAC’s P.R. Boss.”"
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00039092 = 21.9697 BTC [+]
21:55 mircea_popescu so basically nothing.
21:55 decimation right
21:55 decimation then the author takes the occasion to rail against whippings and pillories from 200 years go
21:56 mircea_popescu but good for the sheeple to find out that okcupid and tinder are owned by the same thing.
21:56 mircea_popescu that also owns vimeo.
21:56 decimation "The movement against public shaming had gained momentum in 1787, when Benjamin Rush, a physician in Philadelphia and a signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote a paper calling for its demise — the stocks, the pillory, the whipping post, the lot. “Ignominy is universally acknowledged to be a worse punishment than death,” he wrote. “It would seem strange that ignominy should ever have been adopted as a milder punishment
21:56 decimation than death, did we not know that the human mind seldom arrives at truth upon any subject till it has first reached the extremity of error.”"
21:56 mircea_popescu (and apparently is no longer buddies with gawker media)
21:56 decimation it neatly connects the libtards of 1776 with the libtards of today
21:56 mircea_popescu now, the real journo story : how deep a discount did gawker offer on their advertising, who said no, why did they say no.
21:56 mircea_popescu THIS is how these shits "happen".
21:57 decimation and which new york jew now owns the whole thing?
21:57 mircea_popescu "oh, IAC said our deeply discounted CPM is not worth paying for anyway because we don't have any actual relevancy / power online ??!?!?!"
21:57 mircea_popescu "FINE PROVE IT TO THEM!!111"
21:58 decimation mircea_popescu: there's no mention of this obvious motivation in the story
21:58 mircea_popescu parallel construction is apparently a universal hobby. "tipsters" ? what tipsters. nobody fucking tips gawker.
21:58 decimation 'six words from any 'honest man''
21:59 mircea_popescu except it doesn't actually do anything. gawker is entirely myspace'd.
21:59 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re portotronic, what's the right thing to do with CROSS_PREFIX for non-arm builds? omit from script entirely?
21:59 mircea_popescu its audience is idiots, and this is publicly known. so...
21:59 BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TVwScWOw--/vaqllu4u7fp6vl1pptct.jpg
21:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACD3X3 )
21:59 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: replace with your compiler
21:59 decimation apparently it's enough for the new york times to get an independent op-ed
22:00 mircea_popescu anyway, in vaguely related news, i'm preparing a pretty lulzy "outrage the feminists" thing for later.
22:00 mircea_popescu should be interesting to see what comes of it.
22:00 mircea_popescu decimation : "independent op ed" = "piece written for narcissist that we didn't have to pay'
22:01 decimation actually, the whole thing smacks of doctor_why_bother
22:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: or, wait, yeah
22:01 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you will have to strip out the dash and the $CROSS_PREFIX
22:02 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aha. in the middle of it already.
22:03 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: CFLAGS should read something like -I/usr/include ?
22:04 asciilifeform aha
22:04 asciilifeform use the expected values for your machine.
22:04 ben_vulpes thanks for the patience, much of this is over my head. but what better way to contaminate my mind with the c toolchain than bitcoind
22:04 asciilifeform also realize that the script is not a 'makefile' and will pointlessly repeat heavy work if rerun
22:04 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> use the expected values for your machine. << ahahaha "expected values" ahaha as if
22:04 asciilifeform a good project might be to transform it into a makefile.
22:05 asciilifeform i didn't feel like fighting gnumake's retardation re: treatment of envir. vars. and recursive invocations of self
22:05 asciilifeform hence the bash script.
22:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: contaminate my mind with the c toolchain << if it isn't a secret, what do you normally work with ?
22:06 asciilifeform apple's compiler ?
22:06 ben_vulpes clients
22:06 ben_vulpes :P
22:06 asciilifeform lol
22:07 ben_vulpes python, bash, clojure.
22:07 asciilifeform aha.
22:07 ben_vulpes ruby as necessary to unfuck other people's mistakes.
22:07 ben_vulpes go ibid
22:07 asciilifeform so, whatever's brought ?
22:07 ben_vulpes a pauper is i.
22:07 * Adlai prefers "this is shit, let me do it in lisp"
22:07 Adlai excellent way of screening clients
22:08 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: other people in the shop use the apple toolchain and the android toolchain. all i ever do with those is "turn the right nut" when it comes to "signing" binaries for apple/google and cutting builds.
22:09 ben_vulpes the apple binary signing process is hilaribad.
22:09 ben_vulpes "fix this issue with your keys?"
22:09 ben_vulpes sure, why not.
22:09 ben_vulpes they're not real keys, as far as i care.
22:09 trinque I switced the deedbot blockchain to an ssd ebs volume
22:09 trinque still slow as fuck
22:09 decimation re: apple compilers < i wasted a few hours last week trying to get macports to build 'octave'
22:10 decimation turns out gcc4.9 would not link properly with the osx standard c++ library
22:10 decimation but clang would
22:10 asciilifeform !s llvm
22:10 assbot 27 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm
22:10 asciilifeform glue with broken glass.
22:10 ben_vulpes decimation: i've wasted 3 days over the past two weeks trying to get a modern browser to boot into x11 for os x.
22:10 ben_vulpes i've more or less given up at this point.
22:11 trinque ben_vulpes: dual boot the gentoos
22:12 asciilifeform http://www.ebay.com/itm/METCRAFT-FLOOR-MOUNT-COMBO-LAVATORY-SINK-AND-TOILET-FIXTURE-STAINLESS-STEEL-/161597762923 << ebaylulz
22:12 assbot Metcraft Floor Mount Combo Lavatory Sink and Toilet Fixture Stainless Steel | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACF5Xk )
22:12 asciilifeform ^ building own prison? just what you need.
22:16 ben_vulpes looks bad for the back.
22:17 * trinque watches atop -d... what the hell is btcd reading at a sustained 4mb/sec
22:17 trinque what is ram for
22:18 trinque and how does it need anything but the top of the blockchain
22:18 asciilifeform trinque: it doesn't
22:18 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019144
22:18 assbot Logged on 15-02-2015 02:25:58; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks
22:19 trinque ah
22:20 decimation asciilifeform: does the same company sell the sought-after toilet/kitchen sink combo?
22:20 BingoBoingo decimation: In cell, that is kitchen sink
22:21 asciilifeform if prison cells had kitchenettes - i'm quite certain they would.
22:21 decimation of course, in comparison what what was suffered in ru's gulags, such an arrangement is quite luxurious
22:24 trinque anyone have a high bandwidth node I can give to deedbot to speed his ass up?
22:24 trinque *give its IP
22:27 BingoBoingo http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-stack-protector-wasnt-working
22:27 assbot my stack protector wasn't working ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACHQb2 )
22:29 ben_vulpes a RagnarDanneskjol!
22:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: x86 is actually among the more lenient architectures for 'unaligned access'
22:29 ben_vulpes all these old names popping up.
22:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but on all machines you're likely to meet, there is at the very least a performance penalty for them
22:30 BingoBoingo Interesting
22:30 asciilifeform if you sit and think for a minute about how the memory works, it becomes clear why.
~ 39 minutes ~
23:10 decimation more lolz http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/11/elizabeth-warren-wont-back-rand-pauls-au < "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), a member of the Banking Committee and an outspoken critic of the Fed’s oversight of big banks, said she does not support Mr. Paul’s proposed legislation [to force a complete audit of the fed], which she said could have “dangerous” implications for monetary policy."
23:10 assbot Elizabeth Warren Won't Back Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVjPLH )
23:10 decimation ^ this might actually be qntra worthy if someone puts the right spin on it
23:13 BingoBoingo decimation: Are you volunteering? If not I can write something up
23:23 decimation nah I don't think I can write good.
23:25 decimation lol http://WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com
23:25 assbot WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlcds )
23:27 decimation related: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-to-create-national-center-to-counter-cyberspace-intrusions/2015/02/09/a312201e-afd0-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html
23:27 assbot New agency to sniff out threats in cyberspace - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlq4m )
23:35 mircea_popescu !up Jrum
23:41 mircea_popescu https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/1975/1975551/00050efb-57c8-384f-c07a-4a309d258337_720.jpg
23:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVmntr )
~ 15 minutes ~
23:56 decimation !up PinkPosixPXE
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