00:07 |
mod6 |
here's the patch |
00:07 |
mod6 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ei2pJTur |
00:07 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGtYy ) |
00:09 |
mod6 |
here's a picture of what libs I had installed & openssl version: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=be4Yr0MZ |
00:09 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGAmS ) |
00:10 |
mod6 |
i'll formalize this stuff in the next few days and get it on to the list. |
00:16 |
mod6 |
more good news. my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW |
00:16 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1vHGXhl ) |
00:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00040647 = 7.6416 BTC [-] |
00:17 |
mod6 |
(this is on debian 6) |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: why did you snip the static build? |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
mod6: that patch renders bitcoind-portatronic unbuildable |
00:21 |
mod6 |
ah. i'll add it back in. no prob. just wanted someone to look over my shoulder on that part. |
00:21 |
* |
asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically |
00:22 |
asciilifeform |
*built |
00:23 |
mod6 |
that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in. |
00:24 |
mod6 |
i'll have another patch here in a minute. meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7 |
00:24 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHiQS ) |
00:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00041245 = 7.3622 BTC [+] {3} |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated historical: |
00:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237547471622801@naggum.net.html << naggum on the 'altcoins' of his time. |
00:28 |
assbot |
Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHsYD ) |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated2: anybody here into Ada? |
00:34 |
mod6 |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipcYZDsy |
00:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1vHHI9T ) |
00:34 |
mod6 |
asciilifeform: that look better? |
00:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00041715 = 1.9627 BTC [+] |
00:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.00041715 = 2.6681 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
01:14 |
mod6 |
obsd v0.5.3.1 got past first 2 checkpoints: "version" : 50301, "blocks" : 42307, |
01:19 |
mod6 |
passed 3rd checkpoint.. |
01:19 |
mod6 |
4th |
01:20 |
mod6 |
5th |
01:26 |
mod6 |
one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1); |
01:26 |
mod6 |
:/ |
01:26 |
mod6 |
s/autoremote/autoremove/ |
01:32 |
mod6 |
6th checkpoint passed |
01:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00042019 = 6.3869 BTC [+] |
01:43 |
punkman |
if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? |
01:43 |
danielpbarron |
exceptions |
01:44 |
mod6 |
7th checkpoint passed |
01:44 |
mod6 |
punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl |
01:44 |
ben_vulpes |
punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind |
01:45 |
ben_vulpes |
okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment |
01:45 |
ben_vulpes |
what's so bad about boost? |
01:45 |
punkman |
fuck boost |
01:46 |
ben_vulpes |
a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman. |
01:46 |
punkman |
:D |
01:46 |
mod6 |
so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard. |
01:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35315 @ 0.00042065 = 14.8553 BTC [+] {2} |
01:46 |
mod6 |
one sec, lemme find this /. post & artcile i was reading. |
01:47 |
* |
danielpbarron whips out a stick and points to a random line of boost source asking, "what does this line do?" |
01:47 |
mod6 |
this is probably worth a read: http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1423208/comparing-the-c-standard-and-boost |
01:47 |
assbot |
Comparing the C++ Standard and Boost - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSfMkZ ) |
01:50 |
punkman |
I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does |
01:50 |
ben_vulpes |
i have no clue, man. |
01:51 |
punkman |
was replaced with something named "LOCK" soon after 0.5.3 |
01:51 |
mod6 |
its thread safty |
01:51 |
ben_vulpes |
well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety |
01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
but as to danielpbarron's pointer... |
01:52 |
mod6 |
mutual exlusion semaphore |
01:52 |
mod6 |
*exclusion |
01:52 |
ben_vulpes |
i am full of questions as to how that's implemented |
01:53 |
mod6 |
red ring + magical sword & shield required. |
01:54 |
mod6 |
its hairy in there. |
01:55 |
mod6 |
An adventurer is you! |
01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called. |
01:55 |
ben_vulpes |
assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_ |
01:57 |
mod6 |
i think a lot of em are, yeah. |
01:58 |
mod6 |
i thought the warings at the end of the openbsd compilation were rather lulzy |
01:59 |
mod6 |
gotta add a patch for that stuff |
02:01 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight |
02:09 |
punkman |
mod6, did you statically compile that last instance? |
02:10 |
mod6 |
no |
02:12 |
mod6 |
i'll rebuild with STATIC and see |
02:12 |
ben_vulpes |
forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one? |
02:12 |
punkman |
not wondering about what version openssl you are using for one |
02:14 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah explicit deps are nice |
02:16 |
punkman |
and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages |
02:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00042205 = 9.1585 BTC [+] |
02:21 |
punkman |
this is nice https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock |
02:21 |
assbot |
gorhill/uBlock · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mild0f ) |
02:23 |
punkman |
http://gelio.livejournal.com/193025.html |
02:23 |
assbot |
Gelio (Степанов Слава) - An-225 Mriya is the world’s largest aircraft (English version) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Milgt0 ) |
02:30 |
mod6 |
well, i think im just tired. |
02:31 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/02JHVFN |
02:31 |
assbot |
dpaste: 02JHVFN ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClRY75 ) |
02:31 |
mod6 |
im not sure if that worked |
02:32 |
mod6 |
OH |
02:32 |
mod6 |
derp |
02:33 |
mod6 |
"LMODE", not "LDMODE" |
02:33 |
punkman |
sidenote: this version uses a dozen ways to print things to stdout/stderr, needs cleanup |
02:33 |
mod6 |
noted. |
02:34 |
punkman |
I can probably do that, after we decide on some standard |
02:34 |
mod6 |
we'll get there :] |
02:35 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/1MQCQMX |
02:35 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1MQCQMX ... ( http://bit.ly/1ClSvWP ) |
02:36 |
mod6 |
height=128873 |
02:39 |
mod6 |
-Wl,-Bdynamic |
02:39 |
mod6 |
i still don't think i did the right thing there.. |
02:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15173 @ 0.000424 = 6.4334 BTC [+] {3} |
02:52 |
cazalla |
scoopbot, u r hopeless :\ http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-group-limited-run-afoul-of-asic/ |
02:52 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Group Limited Run Afoul Of ASIC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinqJa ) |
02:53 |
punkman |
ASIC heh |
03:00 |
mod6 |
punkman: http://dpaste.com/29Q2FMQ |
03:00 |
assbot |
dpaste: 29Q2FMQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MinZTc ) |
03:00 |
mod6 |
that's weird 'eh |
03:00 |
mod6 |
this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic |
03:01 |
mod6 |
oh LMODE2 didn't get set. |
03:01 |
punkman |
yeah that if clause is weird |
03:02 |
mod6 |
i thought the IFDEF should do that |
03:02 |
mod6 |
o.O |
03:02 |
mod6 |
ok here we go, one more time |
03:05 |
mod6 |
alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger: |
03:05 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/23P8VBE |
03:05 |
assbot |
dpaste: 23P8VBE ... ( http://bit.ly/1Miotsn ) |
03:06 |
mod6 |
its like ~10mb larger |
03:06 |
mod6 |
[1] + Segmentation fault ./bitcoind -datadir=/home/mod6/.bitcoin -daemon (core dumped) |
03:06 |
mod6 |
ho ho! |
03:07 |
mod6 |
http://dpaste.com/0VPYTWM |
03:07 |
assbot |
dpaste: 0VPYTWM ... ( http://bit.ly/1MioIDY ) |
03:08 |
mod6 |
well, thats all for me. |
03:08 |
mod6 |
sleep(21600) |
03:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00041978 = 12.7193 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
03:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00042512 = 11.7121 BTC [+] {2} |
03:39 |
cazalla |
fucking lightning |
03:48 |
fluffypony |
cazalla: you should probably stop trying to have sex with it |
03:48 |
fluffypony |
lightning burns |
03:48 |
cazalla |
maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes |
03:49 |
cazalla |
how's that for a burn? :P |
03:50 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
03:51 |
fluffypony |
something-something-sheep |
03:51 |
cazalla |
it's the nzer's into sheep |
03:52 |
fluffypony |
I know, but you're right there |
03:53 |
fluffypony |
so by extension |
03:56 |
cazalla |
i guess nz is to australia as australia is to ussa |
04:02 |
cazalla |
fuck that lightning was so loud then |
04:03 |
fluffypony |
the lightning...was...loud? |
04:04 |
cazalla |
ya know, when it strikes.. made me jump that's all |
04:06 |
fluffypony |
you mean the thunder was loud? |
04:07 |
fluffypony |
lightning doesn't make a noise...unless it's hitting one of those electric substations and that explodes |
04:07 |
cazalla |
then i guess that is what i meant |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
04:25 |
punkman |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZX9h-6IEAA-JLy.jpg |
04:25 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1CnDP6N ) |
04:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20439 @ 0.00042314 = 8.6486 BTC [-] |
04:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32616 @ 0.00042526 = 13.8703 BTC [+] {3} |
04:42 |
fluffypony |
punkman: I hate it when that happens |
04:48 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2015/02/quebec-regulator-bitcoin-businesses-need-a-licence/ |
04:48 |
assbot |
Quebec Regulator: Bitcoin Businesses Need A Licence | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai4VRN ) |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
05:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00079303 = 1.9826 BTC [-] {2} |
05:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00041853 = 14.5021 BTC [-] |
05:07 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell mod6 https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb |
05:07 |
assbot |
enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7EuG ) |
05:07 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
05:08 |
fluffypony |
cazalla: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitcoin-group-pulled-up-for-pre-ipo-chatter/ |
05:08 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Group pulled up for pre-IPO chatter | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ai7K5m ) |
05:08 |
fluffypony |
lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC |
05:08 |
cazalla |
posted that earlier |
05:09 |
cazalla |
you know how the chinese are, scamming each other and all that |
05:09 |
fluffypony |
yeah |
05:09 |
cazalla |
demanding red letters full of bitcoins it seems |
| |
~ 28 minutes ~ |
05:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!up nubbins` |
05:38 |
nubbins` |
hi |
05:38 |
BingoBoingo |
hallo |
05:38 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/gDBg21z |
05:38 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6YyOU ) |
05:38 |
nubbins` |
bit of snow yest |
05:40 |
nubbins` |
oh and i'm going to cleve-land in april |
05:50 |
fluffypony |
!up hegemoOn |
05:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00041853 = 14.9415 BTC [-] |
05:50 |
hegemoOn |
good morning ladies dans gentlemen |
05:50 |
hegemoOn |
i wanted to share this to you http://www.antimoneylaunderinglaw.com/2015/01/france-eu-call-for-expedited-regulation-of-bitcoin-to-strengthen-counter-terrorist-financing-efforts-following-charlie-hebdo-incident-and-an-end-to-all-anonymous-financial-transactions-through-repor.html |
05:50 |
assbot |
France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions | Duhaime's Anti-Money Laundering Law in Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiFrqE ) |
05:51 |
punkman |
cheeky |
05:53 |
hegemoOn |
it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank |
05:53 |
hegemoOn |
and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack |
05:53 |
hegemoOn |
nothing related to crypto-currency |
06:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43736 @ 0.00041831 = 18.2952 BTC [-] {2} |
06:09 |
punkman |
'Folks are like "that's poor software development practice", and I'm like "yeah, I used to have dreams too"' |
| |
~ 24 minutes ~ |
06:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00042611 = 12.5489 BTC [+] {2} |
06:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00042951 = 37.1526 BTC [+] {4} |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
06:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00043326 = 7.0188 BTC [+] |
06:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00043353 = 5.3107 BTC [+] {2} |
06:56 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6965 @ 0.00043368 = 3.0206 BTC [+] |
06:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26035 @ 0.00043647 = 11.3635 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
07:17 |
davout |
hegemoOn: nice, no sources tho |
07:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00042269 = 12.1312 BTC [-] {2} |
07:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00042285 = 16.8717 BTC [+] |
07:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Anyone looking to build bitcoind/bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD for wallet purposes likely needs to make this source change https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp |
07:36 |
assbot |
openbsd-wip/patch-src_wallet_cpp at 9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMN3Ox ) |
07:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00042285 = 4.7782 BTC [+] |
07:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00041363 = 9.3687 BTC [-] {3} |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
08:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00041213 = 15.6609 BTC [-] {3} |
08:15 |
cazalla |
danielpbarron, seems obvious eh |
| |
~ 19 minutes ~ |
08:34 |
danielpbarron |
yzyz |
08:46 |
BingoBoingo |
managed to build a bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on OpenBSD, alerts snipped, Fuck only know if it will sync |
08:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link |
08:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Block 60000 219 of RAM used so far |
08:56 |
Apocalyptic |
BingoBoingo, out of curiosity why did you go for 0.7.2 ? |
08:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all |
08:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Apocalyptic: Also qr codes for recieving |
08:58 |
Apocalyptic |
aha |
08:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00042412 = 6.5314 BTC [+] {2} |
09:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Some foundation patches like alert snipping have been implemented, but no idea if this is suitable for broad distribution |
09:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Probably not I'd wager |
09:00 |
BingoBoingo |
84204, over half way to the first wedge block |
09:01 |
Adlai |
why should bitcoind care the slightest about qr codes? |
09:02 |
Adlai |
you can produce them in a separate program[/computer] given just an address |
09:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Adlai: Mobile online machine, Maybe I want someone to shoot money at me from a Pnohe while watching it hit |
09:03 |
Apocalyptic |
Adlai, bitcoind shoudln't, indeed. bitcoin-qt is another program |
09:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Any ways, it is exercise to learn the new environment |
09:05 |
Apocalyptic |
can't hurt |
09:05 |
BingoBoingo |
changine random to arc4_random for the nonces was probably important for this build platform so catching that was importish |
09:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Under 300MB of ram 100k blocks in |
09:09 |
Apocalyptic |
BingoBoingo, note that the use of arc4 stream cipher for randomness in something as critical as ECDSA sig nonces is... discouraged. If I remember correctly it's a bit biased |
09:10 |
BingoBoingo |
They don't use rc4 for arc4_random anymore. |
09:10 |
punkman |
people have lost money with duplicate nonces |
09:10 |
Apocalyptic |
oh, then nevermind |
09:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Apocalyptic: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man3/arc4random.3?query=arc4random&sec=3 |
09:12 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1uOLRIm ) |
09:13 |
Apocalyptic |
ty |
09:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27718 @ 0.00040894 = 11.335 BTC [-] |
09:17 |
BingoBoingo |
The just changed the mnemonic device to A Replacement Call for Random when the parts under the hood changed |
09:25 |
mod6 |
BingoBoingo: Thanks for the links, the second one (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/blob/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb/net/bitcoin/patches/patch-src_wallet_cpp) probably fixes this warning : src/wallet.cpp:858: warning: rand() isn't random; consider using arc4random() |
09:26 |
BingoBoingo |
I really need to take better notes, but that was the big flag I noticed |
09:27 |
mod6 |
ah, ok: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/commit/9ef1b3a903d22c946a4536f56e26cfd16429c4bb << this will fix the random thing, but i don't think the makefile change here does anything. |
09:27 |
assbot |
enable regress and fix random bug effecting wallets badly from dhill · 9ef1b3a · jasperla/openbsd-wip · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOPPkj ) |
09:27 |
BingoBoingo |
That, I don't know. |
09:28 |
mod6 |
statically linking the libs into the bitcoind output binary made it cross its eyes and wet its pants lastnight |
09:29 |
BingoBoingo |
I was about to call it a night three hours ago, but now the Sun's been up forever and I can't stop watching blocks sync |
09:29 |
mod6 |
haha, nice. |
09:30 |
mod6 |
after that thing blew up i was like, time for bed. |
09:30 |
mod6 |
so are you running v0.5.3.1 or .7.2 ? |
09:32 |
mod6 |
i gotta recompile (linking dynamically) and see if I can get past 168,001 |
09:32 |
BingoBoingo |
0.7.2 qt, tried forever on 0.8.6 qt to avoid futzing with the BDB settings. Twas a mistake. It took the better part of a day to realize leveldb is never building for my level of skill in the necessary way and two seconds to patch that BDB shit |
09:32 |
BingoBoingo |
mod6: Your wedged? |
09:33 |
mod6 |
ah, no. but recently had issues with VerifiySignature on a tx in block 168,001 |
09:33 |
mod6 |
that was on linux w/openssl v0.9.8o |
09:33 |
mod6 |
this one uses LibreSSL 2.0 |
09:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, so I'm the brave fuck who will be riding LibreSSL2.0 into the block firsted |
09:34 |
mod6 |
An adventurer is you! |
09:35 |
mod6 |
I'm on block ~128k |
09:36 |
mod6 |
so when the dynamic compile is done here, will start back up. |
09:41 |
mod6 |
<+punkman> and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages << fwiw, i've never done this ever. should always rebuild binarys on the local environment. |
09:43 |
mod6 |
ok im off and running again |
09:44 |
mod6 |
@ 130k |
09:44 |
mod6 |
shouldn't be too long before i get to where i want to be. i can't even do full sync on this vm anyway. i didnt make the vm disk big enough. |
09:45 |
mod6 |
but, will set up a different vm for this later |
09:50 |
BingoBoingo |
138870 464MB of RAM |
09:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Progress has paused, CPU usage dropped, RAM's inching up. Looks like bastards or peer stooped feeding me atm |
09:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34589 @ 0.000417 = 14.4236 BTC [+] {2} |
09:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4317 @ 0.00075171 = 3.2451 BTC [-] {19} |
09:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Same block 522MB RAM and rising |
10:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Made it 4 more blocks, hit its own RAM limit and crashed |
10:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Well... not crashed, killed. A warrior's version of a crash |
10:07 |
mod6 |
ah, yeah. |
10:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53502 @ 0.00040656 = 21.7518 BTC [-] |
10:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Running again, debating whether to give it more ram. Dunno it will do anything useful other than maybe take longer to crash |
10:10 |
mod6 |
yeah, the latter. i wouldn't worry about it. |
10:10 |
mod6 |
here's a picture of my build/env: http://dpaste.com/19765BN |
10:11 |
assbot |
dpaste: 19765BN ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoD1T6 ) |
10:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00041766 = 13.2816 BTC [+] {2} |
10:19 |
BingoBoingo |
!up hegemoOn |
10:20 |
hegemoOn |
thx |
10:20 |
hegemoOn |
:) |
10:20 |
hegemoOn |
davout: complained the artical didn't provide any source, i feed him with two others articles on the same topic |
10:23 |
hegemoOn |
if anyone interested i can c&p |
10:29 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: ugh dat wedge |
10:30 |
mod6 |
you hit it on your linux box? |
10:30 |
thestringpuller |
yea 160k height or something |
10:30 |
thestringpuller |
you do getinfo and it just stays there lol |
10:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43359 @ 0.00040543 = 17.579 BTC [-] {2} |
10:30 |
mod6 |
run this: `openssl version -a` |
10:30 |
thestringpuller |
one second |
10:31 |
mod6 |
eh. |
10:31 |
mod6 |
no |
10:31 |
thestringpuller |
0.9.8o is the one installed on the system |
10:31 |
mod6 |
sometimes you do a 'getinfo' and its "busy" doing "SetBestChain" or something similar. |
10:31 |
mod6 |
so just be aware of that -- sometimes it can take a /while/ to respond. |
10:32 |
mod6 |
better to watch `tail -f /path/to/.bitcoin/debug.log` to see whats really actually happening. |
10:32 |
mod6 |
ok 0.9.8o is the version we had problems with too though |
10:33 |
mod6 |
youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." |
| |
↖ |
10:34 |
mod6 |
if you do get that, please give us a pastebin of the 'getinfo' & 'openssl version -a' |
10:34 |
mod6 |
maybe throw a `uname -a` in there as well |
10:34 |
mod6 |
thanks for testing! |
10:34 |
asciilifeform |
should always rebuild binarys on the local environment << not practical on embedded system |
10:35 |
mod6 |
sure |
10:35 |
mod6 |
just relating that im indeed against distribution of binaries |
10:37 |
chetty |
interesting, if all packages only came as source sure would cut down on derpage on the nets, imagine reddtards have to build their own ie |
10:38 |
mod6 |
it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops |
10:38 |
mod6 |
:) |
10:38 |
chetty |
;D |
10:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Would MS let them build IE? |
10:42 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33803 @ 0.00042197 = 14.2639 BTC [+] |
10:42 |
BingoBoingo |
And if one had to build, would a derp actuall build IE? |
10:42 |
BingoBoingo |
As in make the choice to do that? Or would they actually do that because it is both hard and stupid |
10:42 |
chetty |
<BingoBoingo> Would MS let them build IE?// haha MS would never release source, thats kinda why I picked it |
10:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Wedge block coming up |
10:45 |
BingoBoingo |
passed block 160000 successfully |
10:45 |
mod6 |
that's fine |
10:46 |
mod6 |
the checkpoint block is 168,000 |
10:46 |
BingoBoingo |
AH |
10:46 |
mod6 |
but you need to really watch out for 168,001 |
10:48 |
BingoBoingo |
As I typed that I though I might be missing some non-zero numbers |
10:48 |
mod6 |
there would be 95% less people on the tubes if they had to compile everything themselves. ``THE BARRIER TO ENTRY IS TOO DAMN HIGH!.jpg'' |
10:48 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google rakeem oakland |
10:48 |
gribble |
4 - Destiny Arts Center: <http://www.destinyarts.org/pages/teaching-artists/page/4/>; Rakeem Nunez-Roches Archives - Pro Football Rumors: <http://www.profootballrumors.com/rakeem-nunez-roches/>; Oakland (Murfreesboro, TN) Football Roster | MaxPreps: <http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/oakland-patriots-(murfreesboro,tn)/football/roster.htm> |
10:49 |
Adlai |
dad@dinner: "what happens when people start saving their bitcoins, rather than just spending them?" |
10:50 |
Adlai |
good dad, just keep walking down this road! |
10:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 388 @ 0.00964631 = 3.7428 BTC [+] {6} |
10:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Ram usage dropped, a bunch of Orphans just found a father |
10:53 |
danielpbarron |
is there any evidence to suggest that there are nodes out there intentionally feeding bad data for the purpose of hindering the establishment of new nodes? |
10:53 |
mod6 |
danielpbarron: i don't have any evidence to support that. |
10:54 |
danielpbarron |
it's a possibility though, right? |
10:54 |
mod6 |
doesn't mean that a few bad seeds aren't out there though. more research required. |
10:54 |
mod6 |
yeah |
10:54 |
mod6 |
i suppose anything is possible. |
11:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33142 @ 0.00041439 = 13.7337 BTC [-] |
11:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00040548 = 17.8411 BTC [-] |
11:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Passed the wedge block at 169390 |
11:17 |
mod6 |
nice! |
11:17 |
mod6 |
you're on 0.7x tho right? |
11:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Right |
11:19 |
BingoBoingo |
The wedge issue was more related to which libssl gets compiled into the mess than the version though, isn't it |
11:20 |
mod6 |
well, so we think. but its not really apples to apples since that code base is so much different. |
11:21 |
mod6 |
but good to know anyway. |
11:28 |
danielpbarron |
!gettrust assbot Jojatekok |
11:28 |
assbot |
Jojatekok is not registered in WoT. |
11:28 |
danielpbarron |
!up Jojatekok |
11:28 |
Jojatekok |
ahh thanks :D |
11:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00040275 = 19.5334 BTC [-] {2} |
11:41 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: if I upgrade openssl will I be able get past the wedge? |
11:42 |
thestringpuller |
kinda annoyed @ the power rangers rite meow |
11:43 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: ben & I were able to pass it once we upgraded to v1.0.1g |
11:44 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: dont forget to give us a paste of the info though! plzkthx |
11:46 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: oddly hypnotic: http://i.imgur.com/JHBwH3f.jpg << o great |
11:46 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1A4iEIF ) |
11:47 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name. << write names inclined 30 degrees ? |
11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: lol why us? << chick's been reading trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/paid-content/#comment-112142 i guess this is her trying to be funnay. |
11:52 |
assbot |
Paid content pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4jIMG ) |
11:52 |
mircea_popescu |
moral being, don't try to be funnay with people you don't know, it never works. |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell brendafdez: ^facebook^bitcoin << the posix format for this is /facebook/bitcoin/ in reference to the sed command. |
11:53 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:55 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: I remember using the boost/bdb that was available on the ports << if you could document what you did exactly it'd prolly save people time. |
11:57 |
mike_c |
write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though. |
11:58 |
chetty |
http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/tweeting-for-treatment-in-venezuela/38656.article |
11:58 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1A4kUzR ) |
12:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11638 @ 0.00040227 = 4.6816 BTC [-] |
12:05 |
thestringpuller |
;;seen mike_c |
12:05 |
gribble |
mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <mike_c> write names inclined 30 degrees << it's a circle, so that only helps depending on where you get placed on the circle. i'm still poking at it though. |
12:05 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c: you around? |
12:05 |
thestringpuller |
oh 1157 EST, i'm blind ~_~ |
12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rucoi_ |
12:06 |
mike_c |
what's up |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
I've been using force layout via d3 to graph the lord's nodes |
12:06 |
thestringpuller |
the centric dependency graph may get crazy |
12:07 |
mike_c |
yeah, you need a serious package to handle a lot of nodes/edges. igraph is the only i've found that does a good job so far. |
12:08 |
thestringpuller |
I'm able to get 500 nodes with interactivity. |
12:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00040548 = 9.4071 BTC [+] |
12:09 |
thestringpuller |
i was thinking of rendering as force layout without interactivity and then dumping the resulting SVG |
12:09 |
thestringpuller |
then at least all nodes would be spaced |
12:10 |
mike_c |
yeah, but you don't get a sense of tiers unless you use a tree layout |
12:12 |
mike_c |
the one i posted is.. reingold/tilford with the radial layout instead of top-down |
12:13 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c you can with nodes: cookiechief.com/wotviz |
12:13 |
mike_c |
yeah, for l1 :) |
12:13 |
thestringpuller |
each node spawns from a central point kinda like orbits |
12:14 |
thestringpuller |
yea l2 will spawn from the orbits around l1 |
12:14 |
thestringpuller |
it's just an adjustment in force |
12:14 |
mike_c |
when you add l2 it wants to do things like put nanotube way off by himself because he has a bajillion out nodes |
12:14 |
thestringpuller |
ah d3 respond that way, it uses a different force algrotihm |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c not necessarily bad is it ? |
12:17 |
mike_c |
depends what you mean. you lose all sense of l1, l2 |
12:17 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c: I can apply the data to tilford style tree: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063550 |
12:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ah that. ok ok nm, im not going to speak on things i don't have before eyes. |
12:17 |
thestringpuller |
kinda like "tree of life" |
12:18 |
mike_c |
thestringpuller: remember though, it's not just a tree, it's a forest |
12:18 |
mike_c |
lot's of ratings between l1 members for example |
12:20 |
thestringpuller |
http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1153292 << yea hence why that particular part is easier with a node graph |
12:21 |
thestringpuller |
i'm terrible with d3 tho, it's just easy to represent data interactively with it. |
12:23 |
thestringpuller |
I'll ;;later you what I come up with for L2 arrangement. These are interesting points to consider. |
12:24 |
mike_c |
cool |
12:25 |
thestringpuller |
lol playing with graphs. :P And you say you and academia don't get along. |
12:27 |
mike_c |
hm. maybe it was just the wrong academia. shit gets published in here, peer reviewed, etc. i guess that's a lot like academia. |
12:33 |
thestringpuller |
:D |
12:40 |
ben_vulpes |
peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways |
12:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00040227 = 5.0686 BTC [-] |
12:44 |
thestringpuller |
ben_vulpes: you are the only advocate of cowboy coding I know of |
12:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00040193 = 15.0523 BTC [-] {2} |
12:55 |
ben_vulpes |
thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?! |
12:55 |
thestringpuller |
"Something something client asked me to change something on live server something something something in the logs." :) |
12:56 |
ben_vulpes |
come back with actual citations, troll |
12:56 |
thestringpuller |
!s from:ben_vulpes production |
12:56 |
assbot |
15 results for 'from:ben_vulpes production' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+production |
12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
glhf |
12:57 |
thestringpuller |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2015#977678 << :D |
12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
... |
12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
i thought the automation was implicit. |
12:57 |
kakobrekla |
what is this monologue, is noise hole polluting ? |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla |
12:58 |
thestringpuller |
everyone is on kakobrekla's ignore list |
12:58 |
kakobrekla |
i can see you |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
i guess that answers that |
12:59 |
kakobrekla |
!rated thestringpuller |
12:59 |
assbot |
You rated user thestringpuller on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: noise hole.. |
12:59 |
kakobrekla |
yeah see |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
ok ok i'll do my own research next time |
13:02 |
thestringpuller |
jus' like high school :D |
| |
~ 55 minutes ~ |
13:57 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00040592 = 7.2254 BTC [+] {2} |
14:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 760 @ 0.00972077 = 7.3878 BTC [-] {9} |
14:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.01199429 = 5.9971 BTC [+] {3} |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
!up rucoi |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Subject: Unusual activity in your American Express account From: "American Express" <no-replay@amex.com> |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
these would have to be quite unusual, i never owned an amex card. |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
To secure your account , please click http://mail.amex.com/http://tarik4.awardspace.com/americanexpress/amex.html |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine this. amex is retarded enough to actually allow this. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
Received: from 64-178-159-35.eastlink.ca ([64.178.159.35]:63005 helo=amex.com) |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
*: asciilifeform presently thinks that bitcoind should only ever be build statically << this is correct. consensus systems may NOT pull dynamic links. ever. |
14:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30210 @ 0.00040302 = 12.1752 BTC [-] {2} |
14:26 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << you mean in the blockchain ? the thing's actually coherent. |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
" Look at how many responses you have received! And only because you are so blindingly stubborn and /wrong/. Be right about something, and nobody says a word, write something insightful that required much thought on your end, and you are guaranteed silence (but occasionally some uplifting mail)." |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
awww poor naggum. |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
"But say something utterly boneheaded that pisses people off simply because it is so stupid that people who make such rabid mistakes must be corrected, and you get to control the whole goddamn agenda in the newsgroup for a while." |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZD4ezDbbu4 |
14:31 |
assbot |
Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vIN1pB ) |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does << it acquires a blocking lock |
14:33 |
mircea_popescu |
can't update OR READ the locked matter until released |
14:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28841 @ 0.00040853 = 11.7824 BTC [+] |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: France calls for strong regulation of Bitcoin in EU counter-terrorist financing laws following Charlie Hebdo incident and an end to anonymous financial transactions << yes very logical. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
france keeps at this there will be a permanent bounty on dead french statesmen, in Bitcoin. and eventually, a dead France. |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up JimJamReid |
14:52 |
JimJamReid |
Hi All, I am currently conducting interviews for my university research paper on using Bitcoin as an alternative to traditional currencies, would anyone be interested in participating? |
14:53 |
mircea_popescu |
ask, don't ask to ask. |
| |
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15:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00041048 = 9.2768 BTC [+] |
15:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14491 @ 0.00041048 = 5.9483 BTC [+] |
15:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4059 @ 0.0004149 = 1.6841 BTC [+] |
15:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37391 @ 0.0004184 = 15.6444 BTC [+] {2} |
15:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4209 @ 0.00042115 = 1.7726 BTC [+] |
15:28 |
mod6 |
A static build on debian 6 + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } + openssl v1.0.1g failed: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Yt9c2U |
15:28 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/19fGpoo ) |
15:28 |
mod6 |
This might be a show-stopper, will for sure need to fix before release. |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
15:31 |
mod6 |
Might need some help on these ones for sure. |
15:32 |
trinque |
just looks like you need something in your library path |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
"How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money. Money is a technology that destroys trust. Its entire purpose is to short-circuit human relationships in order to insert itself as a middleman. It makes everybody spend more money, at more emotional cost, for things that make us angry at each other. Don't offer to pay me. Seriously. If you offer me money, I will decline on principle." |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
check out guy with a half notion of the problem, and a thoroughly broken nonsolution |
15:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00042585 = 11.3915 BTC [+] {4} |
15:34 |
trinque |
mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles |
15:35 |
mod6 |
thanks trinque |
15:43 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << This is what sheer number of L2 users creates. Trying to modify users force but with default settings as you said it loses sight of L2, but that's cause sheer number of users in L2. |
15:43 |
thestringpuller |
loses sight of differentiation from L1 -> L2 |
15:53 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/index_mp.html << version just for you :P |
15:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49773 @ 0.00042736 = 21.271 BTC [+] {2} |
15:55 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00041963 = 19.5128 BTC [-] |
15:56 |
thestringpuller |
!gettrust assbot topace |
15:56 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user topace: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/topace | http://w.b-a.link/user/topace |
15:56 |
thestringpuller |
!gettrust assbot jgarzik |
15:56 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/jgarzik | http://w.b-a.link/user/jgarzik |
15:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00042795 = 4.3223 BTC [+] |
16:01 |
thestringpuller |
yea assbot/wind 3 |
16:01 |
thestringpuller |
>:( |
16:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16594 @ 0.00042795 = 7.1014 BTC [+] |
16:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00040051 = 6.9288 BTC [-] {2} |
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16:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12352 @ 0.00042795 = 5.286 BTC [+] |
16:35 |
asciilifeform |
'How you can hire me: You can't. I don't work for money....' << wai wat ??! |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: amex is retarded enough to actually allow this << allow what? |
16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform redirect to outside website. |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it doesn't... |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
uh... |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
how is this scam supposed to work then ?! |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
(i confess didn't bother to click) |
16:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: buggy spamatron |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
roflmao |
16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
mabe they had the hole and fixed it ? |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
re the "you can't" derp : he spends about half the page trying to beg for donations. because hey, money is only dirty if you actually EARN it. otherwise's fine. http://maymay.net/#how-you-can-support-me |
16:39 |
assbot |
Meitar "maymay" Moscovitz: The Information Age equivalent of Johnny Appleseed ... ( http://bit.ly/1vJ5yC9 ) |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
in any case, i guess he never heard of whats-her-face, the supposed cali "poet" that did essentially the same but in the 70s, and died recently in abject poverty. |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: not impossible. amex spends a pretty penny on (what passes for) spam and crapware control. |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
was discussed here, forgot her name. untalented as all shit, too; |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: where do you even find these... i could have lived and died without ever knowing about this fella |
16:45 |
danielpbarron |
i know a guy who lives just like that; out of his car, refusing to work for money but not against taking handouts |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
there are beggar-kings who earn more than any, e.g., programmer |
16:46 |
mike_c |
thestringpuller: quite a hairball :) |
16:46 |
mike_c |
asciilifeform: did you see the other day that stemming got turned off? |
16:46 |
mike_c |
you were in the field. |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
aha, neato |
16:48 |
mike_c |
it does seem to work now |
16:48 |
asciilifeform |
speaking of which, someone asked which robotic vacuum cleaner it was that had decent software. it was the one made by 'neato robotics co.' |
16:50 |
danielpbarron |
wtf the dude has bigger tits than the hentai chick at the top of his page.. or is that also supposed to be a dude?? |
16:50 |
asciilifeform |
cthonian horror |
17:00 |
thestringpuller |
mike_c: I don't know how one would do Reingold-Tilford that has multiple dependencies |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
re: the question of ripping out 'boost': not happening short of a total rewrite. it's used for virtually all iteration constructs, heterogeneous data structures, and 100 other things in the turd. |
17:05 |
asciilifeform |
srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing. there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. |
17:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00042727 = 4.6786 BTC [-] |
17:07 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: i was wondering what was up with all the for loops trying to be python-like |
17:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00042727 = 4.9777 BTC [-] |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i reach far! |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron stop oppressing dragons with your self-unaware patriarchical gender stereotypes. |
17:33 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there's conceptually by far more 'boost' than straight cpp in there. << i for one am thankful it's not mostly javascript. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
if you think about it, riding on qt "for the gui" is not so different from riding on the browser. |
17:34 |
mircea_popescu |
we should count outselves lucky satoshi didn't implement bitcoin prototype as a fucking greasemonkey script. |
17:35 |
danielpbarron |
i don't think i've ever actually used the qt client |
17:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37794 @ 0.00042374 = 16.0148 BTC [-] {4} |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6: it'd be awesome because then derps would give up and go and play with hula-hoops << technically speaking this is what's happening already. |
17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
Adlai: good dad, just keep walking down this road! << a winner is you, srsly. |
17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron: is there any evidence to suggest that << nope. |
17:38 |
mircea_popescu |
danielpbarron: it's a possibility though, right? << yeah, but from all i've seen it's a very remote one. |
17:40 |
Adlai |
? |
17:41 |
mircea_popescu |
it's won, what. your dad will eventually get it. |
17:43 |
Adlai |
well i imagine that when it happens, nobody will be able to not get it, because it'll happen rather happeningly |
17:43 |
Adlai |
so "eventually" isn't good enough |
17:44 |
mircea_popescu |
not your place to make ~that~ call. |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the part that actually is your place, is done. welcome to parenting! |
17:45 |
mircea_popescu |
(it sucks) |
17:45 |
Adlai |
it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time |
17:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess so huh. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
for what 'qt' does, there is no real alternative (other than 'wx', which is arguably even more of a cthonian horror in some ways) |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
browser is an alternative. |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
now, did the thing -need- a cross-platfom gui? don't ask me, i've never used it... |
17:47 |
mircea_popescu |
c code is cross-plantrofm. |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
gui, remember |
17:48 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not the correct approach. make bitcoin, then let everyone make their own guis. |
17:49 |
mircea_popescu |
people DID make their own miners. |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
lol, i still don't know why it needed the gui at all |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda same reason women need tits. |
17:56 |
mircea_popescu |
not like they wouldn't work without em. |
17:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell rucoi fix your bouncer |
17:58 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
if i could fork myself, i'd be severely tempted to: attempt an ada bitcoind. |
18:00 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: re: could you imaginge if Gavin was magically replaced by ryanxcharles? |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd have thoughjt a cl bitcoind |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
or for that matter a c bitcoind (as opposed to cpp) |
18:02 |
thestringpuller |
the original qt uses MFC stuff |
18:02 |
thestringpuller |
Satoshi sure did like windows. |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i suspect ti's a case very close to the ida situation asciilifeform was deploring last week |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
we're so fucking lucky satoshi wasn't any good with code. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
i suspect that mircea_popescu would actually like ada. not writing it, mind you, but seeing it written |
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18:04 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 2 |
18:04 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MMH5KE.txt ) |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm not entirely unfamiliar. |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
!s ada from:mircea |
18:04 |
assbot |
1 results for 'ada from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+from%3Amircea |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
naggum's -other- lang. the only one other than cl that had not only a standard but a -rationale document- for every page |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
18:04 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought i musta mentioned it |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
still used for genuinely safety-critical systems worldwide (virtually all jet engine controllers, etc.) - language from hell, required you to specify ranges for integers, and the like |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
uh. what typed language doesn't ?! |
18:05 |
asciilifeform |
i confess that i rather like it... |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
going int blabla; says : blabla between 0 and 65535 or w/e |
18:06 |
asciilifeform |
nononono - explicitly. |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
listen, everything in a program is explicit. whethr the user is aware or not of this... |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
no means yes. yes means anal. it's how computiong works. |
18:07 |
asciilifeform |
as in 'this one is odd and between 3 and 15 and if it ever isn't, pump in the halon |
18:07 |
mircea_popescu |
not that i disagree with the principle of making people verbalize the stuff they're abotu to do. |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << examples |
18:08 |
assbot |
Ada Programs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpq1LF ) |
18:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00042927 = 14.6381 BTC [+] |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
ugly, pascal-like, but extraordinarily well-specified and strict to the point of bdsm |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lol so yest someone hit trilema in what originally looked like a ddos, except... single ip ? ~1mn pageloads ? |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
turns out it's http://anti-hacker-alliance.com/index.php?details=74.121.38.141 |
18:09 |
assbot |
The Anti Hacker Alliance fights against 74.121.38.141 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cpqb5O ) |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
now wtf is "shutterfly" |
18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
and wtf is "the anti hacker alliance" |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: apparently, a defunct (?) print house? - hacked box |
18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
derps. world is full of derps. |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: while the latter appears to be an erzats 'spamhaus' ? |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, xrumer harvester. |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao idiots. |
18:19 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaGvcAOcA_s << cuties. |
18:19 |
assbot |
Ансамбль "Белое злато" - Казаченька молода - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1D60h9X ) |
18:20 |
mircea_popescu |
they'd be a lot better if drunk imo. |
18:24 |
TheNewDeal |
;;Nethash |
18:24 |
gribble |
309409813.454 |
18:24 |
TheNewDeal |
Ewww |
18:37 |
mircea_popescu |
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ro/2011/10/adventures-in-depression.html << holy shit, this actually happens ? |
18:37 |
assbot |
Hyperbole and a Half: Adventures in Depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpvMce ) |
18:44 |
thestringpuller |
can't wait to read on qntra one day: "Gavin Admits to Being USG Agent, Leaves Bitcoin Forever" |
18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
qntra is about news, you're thinking more in terms of daytime tv drama. |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
at this point i'm not even sure gavin jumping off the coq d'argent would qualify as bitcoin news. |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Stunna |
18:56 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << look at that, for once qntra traffic graph is not thrown by some social media spike so you8 can actually see some pattern |
18:56 |
assbot |
Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpzhiN ) |
19:00 |
cazalla |
feb is on track to be another record month |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
o srsly ? |
19:04 |
mircea_popescu |
coolness |
19:05 |
* |
mircea_popescu makes a note that should anyone wish to "see studies" supporting the proposition of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ (ie, that *EVERYTHING* published in English is junk, and to be discarded out of hand), I intend to use http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/jama_deludes.html |
19:05 |
assbot |
How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB87s ) |
19:05 |
assbot |
The Last Psychiatrist: What Political Propaganda Looks Like ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpB9s2 ) |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely perfect example of the pseudoscientific nature of American "science". |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.ada95.ch/index.php?page=morris << unrelated lulz |
19:06 |
assbot |
Ada95.ch - morris ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpBeMc ) |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform minor nitpick : all these people that never ever head foreman'd a construction yard shjould stfu about "tools". the tools used to build a skyscraper are, by and large, cheaper, more worn versions of the expensive DIY crap. |
19:07 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly like how the rifles used to fight actual wars are nothing like the crazy-shit-stick-on-all-sides "amateur" rifles. |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and unrelatedly, http://pretendyoure.xyz |
19:09 |
mircea_popescu |
shit it's dead. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
"4. if you have the intellectual and physical capacity to single-handedly deal with your program, it's a toy " <<< sheeit alf, what nao ? |
19:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 145 @ 0.01199999 = 1.74 BTC [+] |
19:20 |
BingoBoingo |
punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing. |
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19:25 |
mike_c |
those qntra spikes are important though. 1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader |
19:27 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00042605 = 7.6476 BTC [-] |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
but the spikes are never 100x the averae traffic. usually 10-15x |
19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
so using your numbers... they're actually unimportant. |
19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, firefox spontaneously combusts unattended on a 4 day old system. and they call this software. |
19:32 |
BingoBoingo |
!up whaack |
19:32 |
mike_c |
RENT just passed one year |
19:32 |
BingoBoingo |
whaack> can i have an up! por favor << He said please |
19:32 |
whaack |
i did indeed |
19:33 |
mike_c |
ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!t h rent |
19:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00935000 / 0.01054944 / 0.01200000 (2246 shares, 23.69404349 BTC), 7D: 0.00851001 / 0.01030218 / 0.01200000 (2730 shares, 28.12494993 BTC), 30D: 0.00505000 / 0.00827112 / 0.01200000 (7238 shares, 59.86634509 BTC) |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
what was it back around 700 usd/ btc ? like 3 ish ? |
19:36 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2985 @ 0.00075004 = 2.2389 BTC [-] {7} |
19:37 |
mike_c |
floated around 0045 for a long time |
19:37 |
whaack |
how / where can I find more bitcoin stock markets like MPex? |
19:37 |
mike_c |
nowhere |
19:37 |
whaack |
no smaller ones? |
19:39 |
BingoBoingo |
not if you are comparing like things |
19:40 |
mike_c |
try this one: https://btct.co/ |
19:40 |
assbot |
BTC-TC: BTC Trading Corp ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpWm6H ) |
19:41 |
kakobrekla |
> They were called Virtual Currencies, now many prefer to call them Digital Currency or Crypto Currency. |
19:41 |
kakobrekla |
lol |
19:41 |
kakobrekla |
helluva argument |
19:42 |
mike_c |
"The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator" |
19:43 |
whaack |
lmfao |
19:43 |
mike_c |
!gettrust assbot burnside |
19:43 |
assbot |
Trust relationship from user assbot to user burnside: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/burnside | http://w.b-a.link/user/burnside |
19:44 |
kakobrekla |
whaack https://bitfunder.com < also still up |
19:44 |
assbot |
BitFunder.Com - Join the crowd, every BIT helps! ... ( http://bit.ly/1yz3Fm9 ) |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
and of course once that crashes it brings down the networking stack, which on ubuntu can NOT actually be restarted, mostly because it fucks up dbus and everything else. |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. |
19:47 |
whaack |
how many people in here have read the bitcoin core code? would anyone here consider to know it well? |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!isup glbse.com |
19:48 |
BingoBoingo |
whaack: I had to chop mine up these past few days. It's C++ you search the text and nuke shit that you dun like. |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
whaack do yourselv a favour and read the logs for an actual result, rather than !imperative all over the place and a) not get anything except for b) marking yourself for termination. |
19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
there still is no substitute for homework. "socializing" not only fails to substitute, but actually has serious counterindications. |
19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo heh i guess itis. |
19:52 |
whaack |
fair enough |
19:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background. |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
you should go into impressionism, this is chilling. |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/10/how_to_get_rich_in_psychiatry.html << there's little quite as endearing as the misty excitement of a noob stockpicker. |
19:57 |
assbot |
The Last Psychiatrist: How To Get Rich In Psychiatry (update on stocks) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DpY4oC ) |
20:10 |
BingoBoingo |
n00b stockpicker me from freshman year of college really should have held those Sun shares through to the buyout instead of playing the hi-lo game |
20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
nene |
20:12 |
BingoBoingo |
I bought at $3.80-ish Oracle bought at $16 ish |
20:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ...sheeit alf, what nao << not my fault if the poor sod contracted 'brainwater' and can't hold systems in his head |
20:13 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: brings down the networking stack... fucks up dbus and everything else... nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now << you will find that the ubuntu 'stack' that can 'go down' consists almost wholly of poetteringisms |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
'dbus' is unofficially but quite thoroughly a poetteringism, for instance |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
other observation is that 'ubuntu' (with the above atrocities and many others) is no more 'linux' than wintel 'is what a computer is' |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why i said. |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like syphilis patient getting really excited about a phase 3 lesion on his nose. |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
dude... srsly missed the boat on that whole health thing. |
20:16 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: what possessed you to set up the experiment described earlier? |
20:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00042605 = 3.2052 BTC [-] |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
not my machine. |
20:16 |
mircea_popescu |
"hey mp, wtf happened to my laptop ?" |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
what am i going to do now, corner time on knees ? |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
not about to do that. girl's 19, and more importantly ITS REALLY NOT HER GOD DAMNED FAULT. |
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20:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: gurl enlisted with ubuntu machine? or forcibly deloused of winblows upon induction ? |
20:36 |
mircea_popescu |
latter. |
20:36 |
asciilifeform |
aha, guessed as much. |
20:37 |
mircea_popescu |
not precisely inducted either. it's a process. |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
27.153.187.242 - - [13/Feb/2015:17:04:50 -0500] "GET /2013/what-is-art/%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22 HTTP/1.1" 404 28932 "http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)" |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
for my curiosity, what is this supposed to even be ? like a sql injection ? |
20:44 |
BingoBoingo |
That would be my guess |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
and what, "enough" similar magic units to "do the job" ? looks like people try to hack like psychs try to medicate. |
20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
"hey, --\" didn't do anything on it's own, but what if you add another ?!?! |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Could also be they might have been trying to trigger a resource intensive search? |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe i guess. |
20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/7be0f7b7783c8a86fc50a08c5cf2ca70/tumblr_ne2ak2Mm1u1tatbbfo1_400.gif |
20:52 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1yzgzRi ) |
20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm just watching the blocks sync and thinking to the history I and verifying as it passed. Solidly in the S.Dice era nao |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it's fascinating innit! |
20:54 |
BingoBoingo |
It's soothing. |
20:55 |
BingoBoingo |
After smashing my head these past few days through the painful part of the learing process... The software is now working for me instead of I for it. |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"A similar example is the often cited myth that diagnosis of bipolar disorder is frequently missed. A survey found that 69% of patients were actually misdiagnosed, most often as having regular depression. An average of 4 physicians were consulted prior to receiving the correct diagnosis. But who is to say what is the correct diagnosis, when the diagnosis is based on vague and overlapping descriptions (and not |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
on objective pathology?) You can look at this the other way, and say only 1 out of 5 psychiatrists felt it was bipolar disorder, while the other 80% thought it was depression. So it pays to have the last word. Bipolar disorder is frequently missed not because it exists and doctors miss it, but because it is defined in a way which allows it, by 80% of doctors, to be legitimately called something else. The onl |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
y way to say the diagnosis was correct or incorrect, in the absence of objective pathology, is to say that the treatment they received for bipolar disorder from the fifth doctor was better (read: safer or more efficacious) than the treatment they received from the first four. This is not evident. " |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking gold, this. |
20:56 |
mircea_popescu |
this, incidentally, is EXACTLY the mechanism through which "80% of rapes are unreported". |
20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
out of five women that weren't raped, only one runs into idiots spouting insane troll logic that convinces her she retroactively was. |
20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Re: bipolar - no one complains about feeling manic until the police get involved. Plenty of people spend lots of money of coffee and bolivian marching poweder trying to come close. |
20:58 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
which, by proxy, is in point of fact a measure of the social influence / discoursive relevance of the insane trolls in question, and so yes it is a legitimate measure for them to target. |
20:59 |
asciilifeform |
just like it's not priapism till the fun is over and gangrene starts |
20:59 |
mircea_popescu |
but this from a machiavellian "how do we become more powerful" troll logic perspective, and spcifically not from a "helping raped women" or "helpiong women" perspective. |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo actually in functional family arrangements manic episodes are usually the modern parlance equivalent of what used to be "senile aggitation", ie, granpa keeps grabbing jane's ass. |
21:00 |
mircea_popescu |
-> thorazine. |
21:01 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo was referring to the american usage - artist (or compulsive bathroom cleaner, see the old 'meth' thread) who stays awake for two weeks straight on 'manic episode' etc |
21:01 |
BingoBoingo |
^ That definition |
21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
oh |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
except he is didn't need to take the dope |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
American clinical definition |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
that's not what mania is, clinically, is it ?! |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus that place is nuts. |
21:02 |
asciilifeform |
iirc dsm4,5 - yes |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone told engel that they can have manic episodes lasting over 24 hours now he'd have caned them. |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
dsm 3,4,5 |
21:03 |
BingoBoingo |
probably earlier |
21:03 |
mircea_popescu |
(the psych, not the anarchist) |
21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
What can I say, the brokeness of English systemically effect domains people purport to be actual |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
208378, took much of the off because I wasn't there to restart it while sleeping. |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
what is BingoBoingo running, again ? |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i think if i close my eyes and push on them really really hard i can almost sorta see the logic of this transformation. |
21:06 |
* |
asciilifeform was off in meatspace with people, missed quite a bit |
21:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it's brainwater. |
21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: 0.7.2 -qt on OpenBSD with some 0.5.3.1 patches applied as they can be (i.e. scrolling reading and fingers rather than patch utility) |
21:07 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
21:08 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Executable was finally birthed this morning |
21:08 |
asciilifeform |
but why 0.7.2 ? |
21:08 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: To see if it can be done. And what is the latest that still takes more of the sane patches. (entire leveldb series is out because making that build would be too much hell) |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: that probably is the latest, yes. |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
-qt just so there's more flags and libs to play with to plumb te differences between the platforms |
21:09 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated, |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13233 << picture the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive trabambourghini |
21:10 |
assbot |
FLiR Dev Kit - KIT-13233 - SparkFun Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzjSI2 ) |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
^ microbolometer. http://www.pureengineering.com/projects/lepton << original vendor |
21:11 |
assbot |
Lepton - PureEngineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzk8GV ) |
21:11 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Build did not require the OSsuX ifdefs, but had to kill one linux ifdef and switch a boost lib called for another. |
21:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Beast utilizes both CPU cores |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
So far all crashes have come from malloc enforcing limits on its memory usage (512 MB by default) now giving it a go with moar ram. |
21:17 |
asciilifeform |
^ wai wat, BingoBoingo has a custom malloc() replacement ? |
21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: No OpenBSD has this stuff built in. Changing process Ram limits happens in login.conf |
21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
I just changed a line |
21:18 |
asciilifeform |
ah ordinary quota. |
21:18 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno why I've been keeping the BSD stuff to toy and appliance uses for so long. |
21:19 |
* |
asciilifeform had a freebsd desktop for many years |
21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Next to social engineering inertia has to be the second biggest threat out there. |
21:20 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm loving everything off by default and useful manpages. |
21:21 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: everything off by default << not quite true. try building 'xorg' followed by 'emacs' and see end up with dbus, other horrors |
21:21 |
asciilifeform |
^ assuming this was a recent openbsd |
21:22 |
BingoBoingo |
5.6 |
21:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ was the one where i observed this |
21:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00042639 = 4.6477 BTC [+] |
21:23 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm leting DBUS live for now, doesn't seem to do much other than die a lot |
21:24 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it lets in various 'fun' like letting everything running on machine send arbitrary commands to virtually any gtk app (e.g., 'xchat') |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
From what I understand commercial shop Mtier which does a lot of their ports does "OpenBSD with Gnome and support contracts" as golden toilet product. |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!up rucoi |
21:26 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I am liking though that the xserver is not running as root |
21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive >> uh what, predict ovulation ? |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: target selector ? |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634660 << related |
21:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader. |
21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
... |
21:37 |
* |
asciilifeform is out of his depth, does not know if wunderwaffen based on arousal monitoring via far ir thermovisor is a plausible thing |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well... in the sense bitcoind debugging via cpu ekg is a viable strategy. |
21:37 |
asciilifeform |
presumably would be used for selection narrowing in target-rich environment |
21:38 |
mircea_popescu |
if you think you can beat the primate brain with your electonic contraptions i have a rule based expert system to sell you. |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll probably do pretty ok picking up the ecstasy-peaking chicks in a rave, i'll grant you that. |
21:39 |
mircea_popescu |
whether they hear anything you're saying or not tho is up for debate. |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
this'd be more of a prosthetic version of some folks' ability to 'read body signs' of arousal/lack thereof |
21:39 |
asciilifeform |
at short (sword) range |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
temperature is a very poor variable tho. you'll just end up with a lot of flu. |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
not of whole body! |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
nobody needs that |
21:40 |
mircea_popescu |
candida infections. |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
(except ebola scanner) |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: actually - precedent |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
for a short time in 1980s, liquid crystal thermo-indicator shirts were fashionable in usa |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
even pants |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
but were phased out, guess why |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
(and it had nothing to do with infections) |
21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
they didn't work ? |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
nope, precisely the fact that -did- work.. |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
i dunno, leuco jewelry was more or less popular in ro, ever since the 80s |
21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
it remains in use by basically the same demo : slightly insecure 16 yo chicks that'll go into psychology. |
21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you're right and the deep reason is that it gives away more than peoplewant to. |
21:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.blogadilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/hypercolor-products.jpg |
21:43 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/173Xwbq ) |
21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. the sign of a healthy nubile female. |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ took surprisingly long to dredge up |
21:44 |
mircea_popescu |
her cunt's always warm |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
always warm << one would presumably be looking for the deltas. |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
rather than absolute value |
21:45 |
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21:45 |
asciilifeform |
now, mircea_popescu does not need this instrument, eagle does not need a glider |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
but some folks might find a use. |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
well, so who does ? the snail ? |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
snail with glider just set itserlf up for trauimatic failure. |
21:46 |
asciilifeform |
'if man was meant to fly... given wings' - ? |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" |
21:47 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. so you pick a target this way, and somehow it works out and now it's morning and she's in bed. |
21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ? |
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21:48 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" << Nah, he'd just make the credit officer in the cage a bit wet on the brain |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
if you end up in a divorce ten years later, do you take the machine to court ? |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
actually i suspect that the fun would stop very soon after strapping on (presumably it would have to be worn at waist level! disguised as a fly button?!) |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
see, this is setting yourself up for failure. |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
walk into $targetrichenvironment and discover soon - no targets |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
if i had this machinery, you know how i'd use it ? |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
ID SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
not for $user at least |
21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
why the fuck disguise it. the mentality that cunt's the enemy is principally what keeps geeks in an onansitic state. |
21:49 |
asciilifeform |
SHOW IT TO THE WOMAN << lol, mircea_popescu must have spoken with asciilifeform's $pet re: how they met |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
you go like, "Hey, guess why I'm talking to you ?" |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
lol ? |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
<mircea_popescu> let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. << I PREDICTED! |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
now let's hear it. |
21:50 |
* |
asciilifeform did not actually carry out this experiment! but was setting up for a variation on the theme, and this got out in his social circle |
21:52 |
* |
asciilifeform suffers from a peculiarly obscene perversion: has a hard time taking an interest in gurlz detectably stupider than him |
21:52 |
* |
asciilifeform thus had many strange plans, as a young man, for how to narrow the set |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
this is insanity. you want a girl that can be smart, not a girl that can't be stupid, for some arbitrary levels of either. just like you seek a horse that can run quickly, not a horse that is never still. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
this is not an interesting story per se except in the form of advice to young folks like BingoBoingo - don't do it! |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
bb is young ?! |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
iirc |
21:53 |
BingoBoingo |
27 or 28 years young |
21:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck 28 |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: how to tell if horse can-run-quickly without seeing it run ? |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: yes, you can eliminate horse with missing leg |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
or one that's been shot |
21:55 |
BingoBoingo |
https://imgur.com/cGqdtO3 << desktop atm |
21:55 |
assbot |
Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1B99rSq ) |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
but doesn't tell whether can run. only that isn't out of the race yet. |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ugh what is that |
21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset |
21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany |
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22:16 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging |
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22:33 |
thestringpuller |
damn this shit grinds to a halt as the blocks get bigger. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
which 'this' |
22:33 |
thestringpuller |
0.5.3.1 |
22:34 |
thestringpuller |
with openssl 0.9something |
22:34 |
thestringpuller |
Bitcoin 0.5.3.1*** |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
classical or orphanage-burning ? |
22:34 |
thestringpuller |
i don't grok :( |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000038.html |
22:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfln4D ) |
22:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.00042782 = 3.1552 BTC [+] {2} |
22:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00043311 = 2.4362 BTC [+] |
22:41 |
* |
BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one. |
22:43 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: its classic |
22:43 |
thestringpuller |
i used mod6 's script to do download/compilation |
22:44 |
* |
asciilifeform is not at all interested in running infinitely-memcancerous bitcoind nor can recommend it to others. but also cannot recommend the experimental patch. |
22:44 |
* |
asciilifeform will show the next attempt at a proper fix reasonably soon. |
22:44 |
cazalla |
incase scoopbot isn't working http://qntra.net/2015/02/excoin-exchange-to-shut-down-amid-claims-of-theft/ |
22:44 |
assbot |
Excoin Exchange To Shut Down Amid Claims Of Theft | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyATYG ) |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
'The altcoin exchange Excoin has announced that it will soon shut down after alleging that an attacker was able to withdraw all the bitcoins from the exchange. With a trading engine written in Go, Excoin launched what was predominantly a Blackcoin exchange...' << in other news, some animal stole the heap of shit a fox deposited in my yard. |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
or wait, they had btc too ? |
22:48 |
cazalla |
along with some shitty altcoins |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
'...featured a proof of reserve page which reassured members...' << how does a www page 'prove reserve' ? |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
should we even ask. |
22:48 |
cazalla |
their claims, not mine! |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
just astonishing that 2011 never ends |
22:50 |
BingoBoingo |
!up herbijudlestoids |
22:50 |
Adlai |
"We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time." |
22:51 |
* |
Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself |
22:51 |
mircea_popescu |
oooo! |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage? And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body? Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.) |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesnt? Dont laughIm serious. Whats the answer? |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data? (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?) But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings, |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it involves itself in social policy." |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
best.quote.ever. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves. |
22:52 |
mircea_popescu |
this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA. |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart. |
22:56 |
BingoBoingo |
bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier. |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: sad thing is, idiots denied apa/ietf/international association of bloodletting & phlogiston - will reinvent them.. |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams. |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
wow herbijudlestoids in da house ? |
22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: You actually here? |
22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here |
22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore. |
22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
this isn't about "every fuckhead's precious" |
22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work". |
22:59 |
herbijudlestoids |
im here |
22:59 |
herbijudlestoids |
huelolelo |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
thought this was about annihilated scientific fields |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
or stillborn ones |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
hey |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, but in the wot, not in the world. |
23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the world can rot. |
23:00 |
herbijudlestoids |
hows everyone |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
great. |
23:01 |
herbijudlestoids |
i came to check yall behaving |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ? |
23:01 |
herbijudlestoids |
nope, we are doin really well |
23:01 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit? |
23:01 |
herbijudlestoids |
and, not funding :), actual paying customers |
23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O impossibri |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
what does herbijudlestoids sell, again? |
23:01 |
herbijudlestoids |
clouds |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
? |
23:02 |
herbijudlestoids |
openstack based IaaS clouds |
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23:02 |
asciilifeform |
aha timesharing |
23:02 |
herbijudlestoids |
ye |
23:02 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
23:02 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0F1P1B4.txt ) |
23:03 |
herbijudlestoids |
we doin good |
23:03 |
herbijudlestoids |
its very stressful |
23:03 |
herbijudlestoids |
i work a lot :( |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff. |
23:03 |
mircea_popescu |
you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ? |
23:03 |
decimation |
digital ocean? |
23:04 |
herbijudlestoids |
yup, we offer expertise for big providers |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation on top of that lol |
23:04 |
herbijudlestoids |
we dont compete in the race to bottom |
23:04 |
herbijudlestoids |
so there is no herbicloud |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same. |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
not up to you. |
23:04 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production |
23:04 |
Namworld |
Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld assbot forket wot. |
23:04 |
herbijudlestoids |
the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud |
23:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a much better implementation anyway |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 7000 sold/yr is not 'continued production' on the planet i live in |
23:04 |
herbijudlestoids |
because, it seems, most people not good at it |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it's inventory liquidation |
23:05 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing |
23:05 |
herbijudlestoids |
turns out large scale distributed systems are hard |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ? |
23:05 |
decimation |
no, they claim to still be doing r&d |
23:05 |
decimation |
apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: they can claim whatever they like |
23:05 |
herbijudlestoids |
mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff |
23:05 |
mircea_popescu |
aha. |
23:05 |
herbijudlestoids |
deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: calculate what each unit would have to cost, approximately, for the vendor to stand any chance of breaking even |
23:05 |
herbijudlestoids |
we r pretty gud |
23:06 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ? |
23:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips |
23:06 |
herbijudlestoids |
im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff |
23:06 |
herbijudlestoids |
actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails |
23:06 |
herbijudlestoids |
just like the gud old days |
23:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products |
23:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17641 @ 0.00042605 = 7.5159 BTC [-] |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: there was a scandal that broke not long ago, where it came out that usg is single-handedly keeping a number of fabs (mostly rad-hard stuff) in business |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: their competitors are now whining, 'we want too!111!!!11' |
23:07 |
decimation |
that's actually suspiciously smart |
23:07 |
decimation |
of course they are |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
<Namworld> Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction |
23:08 |
decimation |
the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you can probably guess that they didn't do it because 'smart', but because eternal contracts signed, likely, five or six presidents ago |
23:08 |
Namworld |
okay |
23:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart |
23:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Namworld http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot |
23:09 |
assbot |
irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqStij ) |
23:09 |
herbijudlestoids |
so. |
23:09 |
herbijudlestoids |
tell me guise. |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
phun phact: radhard ic is quite arguably obsolete - similar effect can be had using tandems |
23:09 |
herbijudlestoids |
wut happen? |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
but this is a hatephact |
23:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Also with lead box |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: who pays for launching the lead ? |
23:09 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo |
23:10 |
mircea_popescu |
herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion |
23:10 |
herbijudlestoids |
TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150 |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: difference is that those ^ don't actually need to work |
23:10 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box. |
23:10 |
decimation |
but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the orbital nukes - do. |
23:10 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: aye |
23:10 |
herbijudlestoids |
yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu |
23:11 |
herbijudlestoids |
i dunno what qntra is |
23:11 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it |
23:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/ |
23:11 |
assbot |
There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyFWIv ) |
23:12 |
herbijudlestoids |
BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes? |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: In the 30GB's |
23:12 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: hence you can infer - real owner has not changed. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: could not change. |
23:13 |
decimation |
aye |
23:13 |
herbijudlestoids |
yeah, being QA for the bitcoin foundation sounds fun... |
23:13 |
* |
herbijudlestoids gets right on that :/ |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from. |
23:13 |
decimation |
I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you? |
23:13 |
mircea_popescu |
his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say. |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ben_vulpes and mod6 run the thing |
23:13 |
assbot |
..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyGpur ) |
23:14 |
herbijudlestoids |
oh, is this the fork foundation? |
23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
no, this is the nonfork foundation. |
23:14 |
herbijudlestoids |
confusing |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
herbijudlestoids: this is the actual foundation |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
there's also a scam foundation, but w/e. |
23:14 |
herbijudlestoids |
lol right in -assets land |
23:14 |
herbijudlestoids |
yeah |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
herbijudlestoids: there is also a phoundation pushing crock'o'shit |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu inb4 |
23:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
23:15 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork. |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
which attempt failed. |
23:15 |
thestringpuller |
they are still pushing that fork on some level |
23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer |
23:15 |
thestringpuller |
trying to push upgrades |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners. |
23:15 |
mircea_popescu |
match made in heaven. |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
herbijudlestoids: the basic idea, if i dare suggest that there is one, is a pedigreed 0.5.3 and a sequence of man-readable patches, signed by folks known to one another. |
23:16 |
herbijudlestoids |
0.5.3 being the last version that -assets finds acceptable? |
23:16 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love? |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted |
23:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly. |
23:17 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip. |
23:17 |
herbijudlestoids |
hey you guys know i had an idea |
23:17 |
herbijudlestoids |
for a quick-and-dirty-cardano |
23:17 |
herbijudlestoids |
or whatever that thing was called |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
a brick on a rope. |
23:17 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
very quick |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
dirty if you drag it on the ground first |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
we already had herbijudlestoids's idea, see. |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
lolwut |
23:18 |
herbijudlestoids |
odroid + touchscreen + linux + seahorse |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
how about a vax and a vt100. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
why even. |
23:18 |
* |
asciilifeform head-desks |
23:18 |
herbijudlestoids |
the benefit of this is that you can encrypt messages too |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already. |
23:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the point of this place is cleanliness. |
23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems |
23:19 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine |
23:19 |
decimation |
like the enigma & "tunny" machines |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: laugh, but i actually considered this. |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: also considered the nearly equally impractical ttl logic variant. |
23:19 |
herbijudlestoids |
i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen |
23:19 |
decimation |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_cipher < tunny |
23:19 |
assbot |
Lorenz cipher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsI9iE ) |
23:19 |
herbijudlestoids |
nvm :) |
23:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Encrypt merely requires pub key. |
23:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now |
23:20 |
BingoBoingo |
Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed |
23:20 |
decimation |
yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: vernam (otp, xor) is trivial - mechanically or otherwise |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
!up herbijudlestoids |
23:20 |
herbijudlestoids |
lol :( |
23:20 |
herbijudlestoids |
assbot hate me |
23:21 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too |
23:21 |
herbijudlestoids |
the thing that worries me about the cardano is upgrades |
23:21 |
herbijudlestoids |
what if i want to patch it |
23:21 |
* |
asciilifeform wishes he had a bitcent for every 'here's how you can make a quick cardano' letter |
23:21 |
herbijudlestoids |
or whatever |
23:21 |
decimation |
why on earth would it need to be upgraded? |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? |
23:21 |
herbijudlestoids |
to add support for new ciphers or something? i dunno |
23:22 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't patch it, you burn it and get a new one. |
23:22 |
herbijudlestoids |
if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
23:22 |
decimation |
re: china > https://tiananmenstremendousachievements.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/china-destroyed-control-chip-of-japanese-spy-satellite-with-secret-weapon/ < lulzy translated chinese military propaganda blog |
23:22 |
assbot |
China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS ) |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
burn, new |
23:22 |
asciilifeform |
herbijudlestoids: if 'software-based' is what you want, i don't get it, you already own a computer ? |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
why even interested in the subject then |
23:23 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not. |
23:23 |
herbijudlestoids |
i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc |
23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
so buy a laptop |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc |
23:24 |
herbijudlestoids |
yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever |
23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux. |
23:24 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2013#415970 |
23:24 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display. |
23:24 |
herbijudlestoids |
or you could buy a brand new odroid for $35 |
23:25 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
or that. |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
^ no proper rng in any of the machines discussed here |
23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
if you can trust their closed stack turd. |
23:25 |
asciilifeform |
and ^ |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: let's play with the satellite thing |
23:26 |
decimation |
herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: service ceiling of the j20 is, according strictly to rumour, 18km. |
23:26 |
herbijudlestoids |
well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: let's assume that the thing was flying at the ceiling |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
let's also assume that the sat was in leo. |
23:27 |
decimation |
yeah those seem reasonable |
23:27 |
asciilifeform |
say, 160km. |
23:28 |
decimation |
that's pretty low, but okay |
23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that was a lengthy intro for "let delta = 150km" |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
so, 142km between shooter and victim. |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: our usg readers may have some trouble with arithmetic, let's help'em |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
next, inverse-square law... |
23:29 |
decimation |
well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft |
23:30 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ? |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:31 |
* |
BingoBoingo kinda wants a Mig-25 |
23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;calc 3600 / (150000**2*3.1415) |
23:31 |
gribble |
5.09310838771e-08 |
23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
half a millionth. |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: true, i have no idea where it was (if existed) |
23:31 |
asciilifeform |
assumed - on account of article - on plane. |
23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
s/mil/bil/ |
23:32 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: why? because article claimed 'megawatt for minute'. if on ground, could carry on as long as you like at megawatt |
23:32 |
decimation |
yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
with mircea_popescu's genset trailer |
23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
a.... megawatt ? rly ? |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
supercaps |
23:32 |
mircea_popescu |
gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ? |
23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't be the only one that actually fired lasers. |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
rayleigh scattering, yes. |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
actually is the real limit to laser blaser. |
23:33 |
asciilifeform |
*blaster |
23:33 |
mircea_popescu |
how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made |
23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Why_is_the_sky_blue.jpg |
23:34 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AyJuL1 ) |
23:34 |
mircea_popescu |
splendid illustration btw |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 << obligatory. old emp thread |
23:35 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it |
23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
satellites don't run away, either |
23:36 |
* |
BingoBoingo imagines bowling with a MIG 25 |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
megawatt where. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it's 60mJ. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform on it, supposdely. |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
23:37 |
decimation |
nah if you want emp, you gotta nuke |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
yes, it was thrown in a crucible, sure |
23:37 |
BingoBoingo |
Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release |
23:37 |
herbijudlestoids |
haha! |
23:37 |
herbijudlestoids |
:D |
23:38 |
BingoBoingo |
!up herbijudlestoids |
23:38 |
herbijudlestoids |
hmm... |
23:38 |
herbijudlestoids |
i identified with gribble still no voice love |
23:39 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot. pm it !up |
23:39 |
BingoBoingo |
scoopbot -fetch |
23:39 |
herbijudlestoids |
ah. |
23:40 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/25c76cb8b51370dbf92cd1254513184d/tumblr_n54bvj7uDa1tt28juo1_500.gif |
23:40 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKv5z ) |
23:41 |
mod6 |
thestringpuller: did you get the error message I told you about in getinfo? [ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2015#1017438 ] |
23:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." |
23:41 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: http://www.macrofab.net/ << supposedly will make dual layer board with ~50 parts for $57 in two weeks |
23:41 |
assbot |
MacroFab, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyKI8N ) |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: qty = ? |
23:41 |
decimation |
1 |
23:41 |
mod6 |
if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it. |
23:41 |
asciilifeform |
nre cost ? |
23:41 |
decimation |
but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried |
23:42 |
decimation |
I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing |
23:42 |
decimation |
if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee |
23:42 |
asciilifeform |
^ not terribly useful in my case |
23:42 |
decimation |
no, not really |
23:43 |
decimation |
I might give them a spin to see if they really exist |
23:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060502/asp/frontpage/story_6171245.asp |
23:43 |
assbot |
The Telegraph - Calcutta : Frontpage ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsKpGP ) |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: if you are fond of that machine, you can download the mig25 manuals stack... |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Have one somewhere |
23:48 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Vexual |
23:49 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3w_EWgGQuk < teardown and explanation of how lecroy 100 ghz oscopes work |
23:49 |
assbot |
Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn ) |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: lol, that thing rejects any 'eagle' board layout i offer it |
23:50 |
Vexual |
Hi all, herbi. |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: iirc we did that scope here |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
!s lecroy |
23:50 |
assbot |
0 results for 'lecroy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lecroy |
23:50 |
decimation |
no we did a spectrum analyzer |
23:50 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
23:50 |
decimation |
from agilent |
23:50 |
decimation |
!s agilent |
23:50 |
assbot |
23 results for 'agilent' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=agilent |
23:51 |
decimation |
and it didn't do 100 ghz |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
gonna guess that it works the same way my chinese 200mHz one does |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
staggered adc |
23:51 |
decimation |
that's special $1 mil bezzle |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
big phat deal, the cost of three tow trucks. |
23:51 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic |
23:51 |
Vexual |
ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough. |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
not even clear to me that it's overpriced |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
Vexual: wai wat ?! |
23:52 |
decimation |
the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci |
23:52 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100? |
23:52 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 5 |
23:52 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CAM71A.txt ) |
23:53 |
decimation |
once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
hey vex |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
hey. |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
wasnt there some command you used to be able to run.. |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
!fap |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
i dunno..something like that |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
for porn |
23:54 |
herbijudlestoids |
i miss that. |
23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead. |
23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not been 10 years. |
23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
the web is fucking useless. |
23:57 |
herbijudlestoids |
yea wasnt vince cerf saying that as well recently? |
23:57 |
herbijudlestoids |
and i read a great article on archive.org about similar issue |
23:57 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2952020/Will-21st-century-lost-history-Father-internet-warns-digital-world-lead-black-hole-knowledge.html |
23:57 |
assbot |
Print out your photos or risk losing them, warns Google boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AyO8IK ) |
23:57 |
decimation |
"In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. " |
23:57 |
herbijudlestoids |
yeah |
23:58 |
herbijudlestoids |
that one |
23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking ridoinculous. |
23:58 |
decimation |
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!' |
23:58 |
mircea_popescu |
well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history". |
23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
herbijudlestoids http://38.media.tumblr.com/4cc8da8a80bcc144e2b7a0a239b5e4f2/tumblr_mt63fprr6m1ssof6ro1_250.gif there you go |
23:59 |
assbot |
... ( http://bit.ly/1AyOtuZ ) |
23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
girl put her panties on correctly : over the garter. |
23:59 |
herbijudlestoids |
mesmerising |