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00:00	devthedev	heh?
00:01	RagnarsBitch	When do we get s.obola?
00:01	RagnarsBitch	I'm buyin
00:02	r3wt	http://i.imgur.com/T5jx6se.png
00:02	r3wt	devthedev
00:02	BingoBoingo	r3wt devthedev play nice or niggers.txt
00:03	r3wt	i just wanted some forum trust, gah
00:03	r3wt	some pretty green numbers
00:06	BingoBoingo	!up devthedev
00:06	BingoBoingo	!up r3wt
00:06	BingoBoingo	r3wt: Forum trust doesn't work
00:06	BingoBoingo	At all
00:06	BingoBoingo	Period
00:07	BingoBoingo	Full Stahp
00:08	r3wt	i know, i was trying to "buy trust" according to Vod and the fag alliance
00:08	BingoBoingo	Eh, Vod is a sensitive tool.
00:09	BingoBoingo	Solving the worng problem
00:09	r3wt	Vod is a footstool for Blazr and Tradefortress.
00:09	r3wt	he does what he's told
00:09	BingoBoingo	I doubt that, VOd is his own monster, that's what makes him Peter.
00:10	BingoBoingo	So Imma blow in the meter. People got guesses on my BAC???
00:10	r3wt	.5
00:10	r3wt	you salty af
00:11	r3wt	legally dead too
00:11	TheNewDeal	.165
00:11	BingoBoingo	.38 and full of hate.
00:11	TheNewDeal	damn
00:12	TheNewDeal	how many drinks over how many hours is that?
00:12	BingoBoingo	r3 was closer over the range
00:12	BingoBoingo	A lot over not enough?
00:12	TheNewDeal	Price is Right rules though, I win
00:12	r3wt	$1
00:13	BingoBoingo	!up smidge
00:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00073828 = 12.9568 BTC [+]
00:16	BingoBoingo	I dunno how many people follow baseball, but in the last hour tonight has become a bad time to make me unhappy.
00:19	BingoBoingo	!up Guest98883
00:20	BingoBoingo	H8 is what I do
00:26	BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz
00:27	BingoBoingo	Hello moldysnizz
00:27	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com bitcoin inelasticity
00:27	gribble	Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/>; About trading and value pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/about-trading-and-value>
00:30	TheNewDeal	;;isitdown trilema.com
00:30	gribble	trilema.com is down
00:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1595 @ 0.00073891 = 1.1786 BTC [+]
00:35	r3wt	;;isitdown openex.info
00:35	gribble	openex.info is up
00:35	Apocalyptic	openex is still a thing ?
00:36	r3wt	development server
00:40	BingoBoingo	!up Trix You aren't owned???
00:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00074062 = 11.3685 BTC [+] {3}
00:43	BingoBoingo	I H8 so much right nao
00:44	r3wt	eat a peach nigga, life is peachy
00:45	TheNewDeal	qntra and trilema down. fuck it i'm out
00:45	BingoBoingo	No, Matheney is going to spoil the I-70 series by losing out
00:45	BingoBoingo	And then no I-70 series
00:45	BingoBoingo	Because just broke ass Kansas City
00:45	BingoBoingo	then
00:45	BingoBoingo	And on top of it all Matheney is anti-porn
00:46	BingoBoingo	!s Matheney
00:46	assbot	3 results for 'Matheney' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Matheney
00:55	BingoBoingo	Agree totes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543439
00:55	assbot	Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
01:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00073693 = 28.6666 BTC [-] {3}
01:15	BingoBoingo	!up xinxi
01:15	xinxi	thanks
01:16	BingoBoingo	You're welcome
01:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14539 @ 0.00074126 = 10.7772 BTC [+] {2}
01:21	r3wt	well good night peeps
01:21	r3wt	exit
01:33	BingoBoingo	!up moldysnizz
01:37	moldysnizz	hiya BingoBoingo
01:37	moldysnizz	What's good?
01:37	BingoBoingo	Oh just qntra
01:38	cazalla	glad i didn't post that pm in here
01:38	moldysnizz	I'm not sure what that is.
01:39	moldysnizz	ahhh news and what not?
01:40	moldysnizz	"dns refresh" :(
01:40	BingoBoingo	moldysnizz: Ur internet is slow, forgivable sin
01:41	moldysnizz	*chuckle*
01:41	BingoBoingo	qntra is the latest coindesk killer
01:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007367 = 5.0096 BTC [-] {2}
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02:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074019 = 13.6935 BTC [+] {2}
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03:00	penguirker	New blog post: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/
03:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00073839 = 10.9651 BTC [-] {2}
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03:31	RagnarDanneskjol	from the ecdsa exploit guy mentioned om qntra: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2014kul/materials/D1T1%20-%20Filippo%20Valsorda%20-%20Exploiting%20ECDSA%20Failures%20in%20the%20Bitcoin%20Blockchain.pdf
03:31	cazalla	looks like dos is over for now
03:32	RagnarDanneskjol	ahh good
03:38	cazalla	gone again :\
03:43	RagnarDanneskjol	dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc
03:46	cazalla	RagnarDanneskjol, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#877188
03:46	assbot	Logged on 16-10-2014 02:20:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla & BingoBoingo : i am having a dedicated server comissioned for this job.
03:46	RagnarDanneskjol	aiite
03:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073714 = 8.256 BTC [-]
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04:20	RagnarDanneskjol	http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/803.pdf
04:20	RagnarDanneskjol	[A Decentralized Public Key Infrastructure with Identity Retention]
04:33		Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 26.68541987 BTC. Current weight: 50,678.
04:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9773 @ 0.00073713 = 7.204 BTC [-] {2}
04:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4751 @ 0.00073717 = 3.5023 BTC [+]
04:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00073717 = 3.0961 BTC [+]
05:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00073969 = 3.1466 BTC [+] {2}
05:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00073693 = 13.6332 BTC [-]
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05:27	RagnarDanneskjol	http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/846/717/433.jpg
05:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15838 @ 0.00074026 = 11.7242 BTC [+]
05:42	RagnarDanneskjol	trilema qntra down too long. i scared
05:42	*	RagnarDanneskjol goes back to watching cat videos
05:43	dub	talk to dalnet
05:50	fluffypony	http://blog.moolah.io/2014/10/16/a-public-resignation/
05:50	assbot	A public resignation. | Moolah
05:50	fluffypony	lulzy
05:50	fluffypony	and https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/dogecoin-leaders-present-evidence-ceo-troubled-bitcoin-exchange-moolah-long-time-scammer/
05:50	assbot	Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence that CEO of Troubled Bitcoin Exchange Moolah Is Long-Time Scammer
05:50	fluffypony	I hope those Dogecoiners learnt their lesson
05:56	RagnarDanneskjol	http://rs1img.memecdn.com/its-a-trap_o_2455731.webp
05:56	dub	sure htey did
05:57	BigBitz	Ah Lemon is back.
05:57	BigBitz	Splendid.
05:57	BigBitz	I hope he gets nailed to the wall this time.
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06:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31820 @ 0.00073878 = 23.508 BTC [-] {2}
06:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16994 @ 0.00073715 = 12.5271 BTC [-]
06:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8172 @ 0.00073709 = 6.0235 BTC [-] {2}
06:38	fluffypony	BigBitz: yeah I was going to ask you about that
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06:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4649 @ 0.00073986 = 3.4396 BTC [+]
07:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20823 @ 0.0007369 = 15.3445 BTC [-] {2}
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07:21	thickasthieves	mornin
07:22	danielpbarron	sup
07:22	thickasthieves	just looking at these premarkets
07:23	thickasthieves	nflx got gutted
07:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13931 @ 0.00073904 = 10.2956 BTC [+]
07:24	thickasthieves	they got like the triple whammy, down market, bad earnings, and hbo announced theyre going solo
07:32	RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.financeasia.com/News/391285,boc-sells-landmark-65b-bank-capital-note.aspx
07:32	assbot	BOC sells landmark $6.5b bank capital note - Debt - Deals - News - FinanceAsia.com - The network for financial decision makers
07:42	cazalla	so circle email me, what a copy of my ID etc, good luck bros fuck that
07:42	cazalla	want*
07:43	Adlai	what have you been doing with your account?
07:44	cazalla	nothing, few deposits, btc withdrawls, no $$$ or bitcoin in there thankfully
07:45	cazalla	" Unfortunately, our system has been unable to verify some aspects of the identity information that you provided. At your convenience, please submit a scanned copy of a government issued photo ID, such as a passport or drivers license."
07:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13626 @ 0.00073787 = 10.0542 BTC [-]
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08:18	davout	http://imgur.com/N2I1xAP
08:18	assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer
08:24	thickasthieves	same here
08:25	thickasthieves	i also get forbidden for qntra
08:26	bounce	the world just isn't cool enough. sorry.
08:32	mats_cd03	its all over, time to go home
08:37	fluffypony	cazalla, why don't you just stick CloudFlare in front of it until you guys have the infrastructure sorted?
08:37	fluffypony	I mean, it's free
08:39	RagnarDanneskjol	i told him to look into digi ocean - they have built-in 'guaranteed anti DOS and are about as reliable as anything I have found - its what many of the large pools run on
08:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5698 @ 0.00073716 = 4.2003 BTC [-] {2}
08:45	wywialm	Hello, do you know why qntra is not working and when may it start to?
08:46	mats_cd03	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2je9y6/is_it_just_a_coincidence_that_brock_pierce_is << lol
08:46	assbot	Is it just a coincidence that Brock Pierce is part of the founding team for KnCMiner and Robocoin? : Bitcoin
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09:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.00073705 = 14.0128 BTC [-]
09:05	xinxi	Apocalyptic - I have added the orderbook onto the homepage
09:06	xinxi	so you can see the orderbook without login now.
09:14	mats_cd03	so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS?
09:14	mats_cd03	i am clueless about web derping and such things.
09:16	RagnarDanneskjol	it provides the illusion of security - that warm fuzzy feeling
09:17	xinxi	RagnarDanneskjol - right.
09:17	xinxi	people who are not familiar with these technologies may think this is safe.
09:18	xinxi	another illusion is that it can be used to identify whether it is a phishing site or not.
09:18	mats_cd03	so there is no practical reason to use it?
09:18	xinxi	anyway, many people like illusions. that’s why I use it.
09:20	RagnarDanneskjol	how many plugs for your gambling site can you work into each conversation do you think
09:20	xinxi	RagnarDanneskjol - are you asking me?
09:21	RagnarDanneskjol	why would you think that
09:21	mats_cd03	l0l
09:22	xinxi	it’s not gambling.
09:23	RagnarDanneskjol	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2014#872274
09:23	assbot	Logged on 14-10-2014 06:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/bitcoin-to-drop-under-200-before-december/ << there, that's a binary option
09:23	mats_cd03	http://phrack.org/issues/61/6.html << one of ma favorite issues
09:23	assbot	.:: Phrack Magazine ::.
09:24	xinxi	They are different.
09:24	xinxi	Mine is an exchange.
09:24	bounce	https is the "best current practice" any time people end up having to feed "personal details" and such into forms. username/password for starters.
09:24	xinxi	and you can trade volatility
09:26	bounce	it's better than to not use it, but it is easily done wrong and then there's the whole problem of the PKI industry
09:26	xinxi	you can also use the black-scholes model to price the options.
09:26	RagnarDanneskjol	so ont you recall that looooong conversation about options w/ mp where you took several hours to FINALLY come out with your actual intentions - -to enroll a 'market maker' aka bagholder for your site??
09:27	RagnarDanneskjol	so you dont recall*
09:27	xinxi	yeah, I recall. you are right, I needed a market maker to provide liquidity. but that does not mean it’s a gambling site, right?
09:27	xinxi	CBOE also has market makers.
09:28	*	mats_cd03 coughs
09:28	RagnarDanneskjol	you say potahto
09:31	mats_cd03	it is a red flag for everyone in this chan if the biggest player in the game is unwilling to MM his own options, xinxi
09:32	mats_cd03	at the least it implies a fundamental uncertainty in the game, and at worst malfeasance
09:32	mats_cd03	this is what ragnar means when he says 'gambling site'. correct me if i'm wrong RagnarDanneskjol.
09:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00073538 = 12.1705 BTC [-] {3}
09:35	RagnarDanneskjol	just trying to keep things real here - you asked for feedback. your sig on the forum claims your site is the FIRST options exchange - you clearly demonstrated that you were aware of the options emporium prior to now. you also have no experience running a business (or even having a real job) and failed to demonstrate any reason why you are better suited to run this than a 15 year old sc
09:35	RagnarDanneskjol	ript kiddie. - other than """"I have been trading FX for more than seven years and I made enough money for me to live for the following 5 years even if I don't work at all. So It makes little sense for me to run away with your money """
09:36	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
09:36	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.07, Best ask: 384.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 383.04, 24 hour volume: 17282.36997204, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 389.528943129
09:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00073497 = 3.8586 BTC [-]
09:37	mats_cd03	;;premium bitstamp btce
09:37	gribble	Premium of Bitstamp over BTC-E is currently 1.30003384954 %.
09:40	gabriel_laddel	mats_cd03: RagnarDanneskjol: oh, the fuzzy border between fraud and incompetence.
09:40	mircea_popescu	now that promises a juicy log. brb :[
09:41	RagnarDanneskjol	quite
09:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00073867 = 6.3821 BTC [+] {2}
09:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14160 @ 0.00073931 = 10.4686 BTC [+]
09:56	mircea_popescu	so qntra was back for a coupla hours there, but down again now lol.
09:57	wywialm	the only thing visible is the IIS screen. Does qntra run on MSFT soft?:)
09:57	mircea_popescu	wywialm it should just be a closed connection, page you see is whatever your browser feeds you
09:58	wywialm	oh, fine
10:00	mircea_popescu	btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
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10:01	wywialm	and sadly, trilema is down as well
10:02	kakobrekla	;;ticker
10:02	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 377.15, Best ask: 378.85, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 378.85, 24 hour volume: 19177.01825759, 24 hour low: 376.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 388.182705885
10:02	mircea_popescu	;;isitdown trilema.com
10:02	gribble	trilema.com is down
10:02	mircea_popescu	o.O
10:02	mircea_popescu	;;isitdown trilema.com
10:02	gribble	trilema.com is down
10:03	bounce	``I would argue immediately that voting should be mandatory and it should be online. Of course, we can cover for all the fraud and I don\u2019t think it makes the procedure any less robust, in fact quite the opposite.'' -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/15/martha_lanefox_yeuch_the_internet_is_made_by_men/
10:03	assbot	Martha Lane Fox: YEUCH! The Internet is MADE by MEN?!? The Register
10:04	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, looks like your servers are having a tough time
10:05	mircea_popescu	well this is a tiny thing was supposed to hold you know, low traffic blogs
10:05	mircea_popescu	i guess not so low traffic in the end.
10:05	kakobrekla	meh
10:05	kakobrekla	so much of traffic these days is BS bots
10:06	kakobrekla	i have been getting shitload "?action=register" bots for some time now
10:06	kakobrekla	on sites that arent even wp
10:08	Apocalyptic	they search for /phpmyadmin on mines
10:08	kakobrekla	that too
10:09	kakobrekla	funny thing is that same ones are coming back again and again
10:09	kakobrekla	"o no wp here? lets try again in a few hours."
10:09	Apocalyptic	heh, indeed
10:10	mircea_popescu	lmao. pro tip : if you put Deny from 50.97.161.229 in your droplist ;;isitdown will say it's down.
10:10	mircea_popescu	;;isitdown trilema.com
10:10	gribble	trilema.com is up
10:10	kakobrekla	up, but verboten
10:11	kakobrekla	;;ticker
10:11	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.09, Best ask: 374.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.41000, Last trade: 374.5, 24 hour volume: 19991.90119018, 24 hour low: 374.0, 24 hour high: 400.62, 24 hour vwap: 387.533001503
10:11	kakobrekla	no meat.
10:11	mircea_popescu	shit i just asked half hour ago it was 385
10:11	mircea_popescu	what is this scandal!
10:11	kakobrekla	what a scamderful world
10:13	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla srsly, you don't see the big T ?
10:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19780 @ 0.00073521 = 14.5425 BTC [-]
10:15	kakobrekla	huh?
10:15	kakobrekla	on trilema? 403 verboten
10:17	TomServo	Trilema is working over here.
10:17	mircea_popescu	cheers.
10:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073722 = 8.2569 BTC [+]
10:19	wywialm	by the way, is there any doc regarding the working of the deedBot?
10:21	kakobrekla	someone should put that in the wiki
10:22	mircea_popescu	wywialm well the deedbot is atm dead, but being reimplemented
10:22	mircea_popescu	so check back in a week or two ?
10:22	wywialm	thanks for the info
10:23	RagnarDanneskjol	think it might be sooner than that even
10:25	pete_dushenski	howdy.
10:25	pete_dushenski	everyone ready for another full day of ddosing and watching the dow bleed?
10:25	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic kakobrekla speaking of dumbbots, http://pastebin.com/d9ybRU9K
10:25	assbot	Host: 112.220.126.250 /fckeditor/editor/filemanager/browser/default/connector - Pastebin.com
10:26	wywialm	hello, pete
10:26	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski nothing like that can happen. aren't you aware the dow is the penis of the biggest greatest richest most important country IN THE COUNTRY !?>!?!
10:26	mircea_popescu	"national", dude!
10:27	pete_dushenski	"in the entire first world!"
10:28	pete_dushenski	;;seen pankkake
10:28	gribble	pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
10:28	pete_dushenski	^weird.
10:29	pete_dushenski	so pankkake is awol, no reply to my gpg-gram about vps nodes, then… this: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/#comment-3386
10:29	assbot	The Difference Between Weak Hands And Strong Hands | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
10:30	pete_dushenski	"This is so stupid on so many levels." << lol and gpg signed
10:30	kakobrekla	does it exist a collection of ips of such fucktarded bots
10:30	mircea_popescu	not publicly afaik
10:31	kakobrekla	would be handy to have
10:31	mircea_popescu	you know this is perhaps a good point... and trilema has a shitton of them
10:31	mircea_popescu	brb awking.
10:34	pete_dushenski	http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=nflx << netflix just lost 1/4 of its value o_O
10:34	assbot	NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
10:34	pete_dushenski	well, "value"
10:34	mircea_popescu	just as long as fb is still inflated~!
10:35	mircea_popescu	what's 5 bn give or take.
10:35	mircea_popescu	anyway, if it was indeed over the growth SLOWdown they reported,
10:35	mircea_popescu	this is going to be a hell of a thursday/friday
10:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25498 @ 0.00073543 = 18.752 BTC [-] {3}
10:37	pete_dushenski	and quite the oct/nov.
10:37	Apocalyptic	pete_dushenski, I thought you were actually joking
10:37	pete_dushenski	Apocalyptic: about?
10:38	Apocalyptic	<pete_dushenski> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=nflx << netflix just lost 1/4 of its value o_O
10:38	assbot	NFLX: Summary for Netflix, Inc.- Yahoo! Finance
10:38	pete_dushenski	Apocalyptic: lol nope
10:38	pete_dushenski	easy come easy go on wall street
10:38	pete_dushenski	i shit you not!
10:39	Apocalyptic	when you will see -25% on GOOG or AAPL that would be the day
10:40	mircea_popescu	yesterday's log about what's news and what isn't will be so lulzy once ~that one~ qntra article ends up in the position of the stormcaller, greatest news piece ever published etc etc...
10:43	pete_dushenski	http://gizmodo.com/dysons-20-smartest-inventions-of-the-year-1646884912
10:43	assbot	Dyson's 20 Best Inventions of the Year
10:45	pete_dushenski	i think the next whatsapp is on that list
10:47	wywialm	pete_dushenski, re the Dow: you should rather see the euro stoxx index
10:48	wywialm	or italy's ftsemib
10:51	pete_dushenski	wywialm: that bad eh?
10:54	wywialm	and greece bond yields climb again, we may see two digits very soon :)
10:55	wywialm	in eu, only poland strong today
10:55	mircea_popescu	argentina is fine too lol
10:55	thickasthieves	dem greecy grecians
10:55	mircea_popescu	and stoxx is Daily change (absolute)-1.21% (-34.93)
10:56	mircea_popescu	course was under 2800 earlier.
10:56	bounce	wasn't about what's news but what's newswriting. doesn't matter if it turns out to be prophetic later; prophecy isn't the function of the newsreporter.
10:56	wywialm	it was -4% today
10:57	thickasthieves	tbf, mp never claimed to be newsman
10:57	mircea_popescu	bounce orly ?
10:57	mircea_popescu	mayhap you confuse the newsman with the archeologist ?
10:57	thickasthieves	he just claimed to know details of gov conrpiracy
10:57	mircea_popescu	by its very definition news is confirmed later
10:58	mircea_popescu	if it weren't confirmed later it wouldn't be news.
10:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15540 @ 0.00073855 = 11.4771 BTC [+] {2}
10:58	thickasthieves	semantics
10:58	mircea_popescu	like you know, math isn't news, even considering most people don't know it.
10:58	mircea_popescu	no, this is substance.
10:58	thickasthieves	joking
10:58	thickasthieves	semantics is the new debate destroyer havent you heard
10:59	mircea_popescu	only for hitler.
10:59	thickasthieves	whenever someone is defining something differently than you, just say semantics and they lose
11:00	mircea_popescu	in other news today, mp loves pulling people's chains.
11:03	mats_cd03	these hoes ain't loyal ♬
11:03	xinxi	RagnarDanneskjol - the sig was added before I came here and knew MPOE. I’ll definitely revise it.
11:03	xinxi	thanks for letting me know.
11:06	gabriel_laddel	;; gettrust xinxi
11:06	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user xinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=xinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xinxi | Rated since: never
11:08	wywialm	fyi: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2014/10/its_the_economy.html
11:08	assbot	It's the economy, stupid , Scott Sumner | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty
11:10	gabriel_laddel	;; rate xinxi -2 doesn't understand that he doesn't understand English, or is fraudster/incompetent
11:10	gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
11:11	mircea_popescu	what's that all about ?
11:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00073791 = 16.8612 BTC [-] {3}
11:12	mats_cd03	relax a bit, gabriel_laddel. guy's new.
11:12	RagnarDanneskjol	dude is rather deceitful imo
11:14	RagnarDanneskjol	nis nick is/was wangxinxi gabriel_laddel
11:14	thickasthieves	we got him on watch, dunno if he's done anything outright scam yet
11:14	gabriel_laddel	RagnarDanneskjol: thank you.
11:14	thickasthieves	but i share your concern,
11:15	thickasthieves	that he's here to convince us to try his exchange
11:15	thickasthieves	and to then "get hacked"
11:17	mats_cd03	http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/college-application-essay
11:17	assbot	College-Application Essay
11:17	mircea_popescu	how do we distinguish this from sheer paranoia ?
11:17	RagnarDanneskjol	if you read his logs-and his innane discussions on the forum -its pretty clear.. I very rarely accuse anyone of actually being deceitful
11:18	RagnarDanneskjol	a much greater crime than run otf the mill scamming
11:18	mircea_popescu	more interested in the general point tbh, i have no idea what this kid's story is, but in general derpy newcomers with a drive and deceitful scammers with a plan would look quite similar, at least during the first 1k lines or w/e, i think
11:19	RagnarDanneskjol	i could put together all the citations, would take a while
11:20	RagnarDanneskjol	very subtle and calculated type
11:20	mircea_popescu	nah
11:20	thickasthieves	well it's what wot is for
11:20	mircea_popescu	not worth the trouble.
11:20	RagnarDanneskjol	right
11:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00073986 = 1.5537 BTC [+]
11:20	gabriel_laddel	RagnarDanneskjol: you would classify him as "subtle"?
11:20	RagnarDanneskjol	heh - no, the deceit is
11:21	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol im not saying that persona jkudgement is invalid in any case. obviously all we have to go on is the judgement entered by individuals. but i think the general point is nevertheless interesting, how does one tell ?
11:22	RagnarDanneskjol	life experience, inference, threat modeling,etc
11:23	mircea_popescu	just as long as it doesn't reduce to a "she's a woman/politician/newbie and her lips are moving so -> lying"
11:23	RagnarDanneskjol	of course
11:23	mircea_popescu	incidentally, where have all the "are women more deceitful than men" studies gone ?
11:24	mircea_popescu	all the rage a while ago.
11:24	bounce	the low end scam is fairly obvious to spot with a little experience looking at the patters in -otc
11:25	mircea_popescu	certainly.
11:27	mircea_popescu	i mean, i didn't pick up anything whatsoever in the case of this xinxi guy. nor did i look into it in any depth. however, consider the case of the r3wt kid. now there, i did pick up roughly the same vibe i imagine you peeps are discussing. and yet, months later,
11:28	mircea_popescu	"r3wt: alright, did you have coins on OpenEx maybe? r3wt: but anyone here who may have invested in openex or be owed some money, i got you. i got a real job now so i'm on the ascent again"
11:28	mircea_popescu	turns out he was just a derpy noob after all.
11:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00073474 = 2.6451 BTC [-]
11:30	mircea_popescu	in any case, pattern matching is just by-hand bayesian filtering. it sort-of works, but it isn't a solution or anything
11:32	bounce	didn't quite follow that, but one might surmise there's a fine line between stupidity and malice
11:32	mircea_popescu	either that, or just kids are born malicious
11:32	gabriel_laddel	the question is, is it useful to differentiate?
11:33	gabriel_laddel	(from an investment prespective)
11:33	gabriel_laddel	*perspective
11:33	mircea_popescu	from an investment perspective, no. from a community perspective, however, yes.
11:33	mircea_popescu	in fact, making that difference is the absolute best form of charity
11:33	mircea_popescu	no doubt in my mind on that score.
11:33	mircea_popescu	it beats giving old people soup by a blowout.
11:34	mircea_popescu	to make it plainer, how does a single woman distinguish a suitor from a serial killer ? they both approach her.
11:35	mircea_popescu	this is, incidentally, the true driving force behind the "impropriety" trend, that took skirts from the ankle to the hip and women from no partners to a dozen a decade.
11:35	mircea_popescu	this simple fact : the only solution is a wot, and when most men have fucked most women the serial killers stand out like sore thumbs.
11:36	mircea_popescu	this is why we can't be both rich and pure, and this is why islam in its present state has no future.
11:37	bounce	so we have less serial kills, less serial rapes, and so on now?
11:38	wywialm	mircea_popescu, can you elaborate futher on the islam part?
11:38	mircea_popescu	bounce nope. of course not. however, the incidence per sex act is lower, for one, and the woman that cares to think can pretty well avoid them.
11:38	mircea_popescu	(in the narrow definition that she doesn't go with one, abducions aren't in our universe here)
11:39	mircea_popescu	wywialm the only notable innovation islam a sa christian sect brings is the hard (and somewhat antiquated) requirement for a certain split of the gender roles.
11:39	mircea_popescu	if it gives that up it simply becomes yet another protestantism.
11:40	gabriel_laddel	!up jacoblyles
11:40	bounce	not going to happen, that with its vendor lock-in
11:40	mircea_popescu	quite.
11:41	mircea_popescu	but it's not going to prosper, either.
11:45	wywialm	by the way, how one can obtain historical data of MPEx stocks, as well as the most recent prices?
11:45	mircea_popescu	recent prices you can query the bots or the jsons. historical gotta talk to someone who has been doing the querying.
11:47	wywialm	you do not store historical quotes, do you?
11:48	bounce	http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf
11:48	mircea_popescu	nope.
11:48	mircea_popescu	bounce does it totally blow me away ?
11:50	bounce	dunno. peak of incidence seems to've bean the 80s
11:51	mircea_popescu	still, you have sex inflation that's unaccountable.
11:52	mircea_popescu	if the pop was 100mn in 1944, and the average woman fucked 0.1 men a decade, that's 5mn fucks that decade. if you had 500 rapes that's 100 rpm
11:52	mircea_popescu	if today the average woman fucks 12 men this decade, that's 1.8bn fucks. if you have 15k rapes that
11:53	mircea_popescu	's actually less rpm
11:54	mircea_popescu	even without accounting for the inflation of rape brought through redefinition.
11:54	mircea_popescu	if you read sexus, half the stuff in there would be prosecuted today, it was all good fun and in the spirit of sportsmanship at the time.
11:55	bounce	right enough about the population growth. and the mores. at the same time we're also opener about having the sex; they still fucked around in victorian england, just everyone pretended it didn't happen in public
11:56	mircea_popescu	they marginally fucked.
11:56	mircea_popescu	i don't think what they did would meet my definition of fucking, dunno about yours
11:56	*	bounce hasn't made a study about it
11:56	mircea_popescu	but they had no half'n'half, which from what i hear from other people's wives is the standard fare these days
11:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0007345 = 9.0711 BTC [-] {2}
11:57	bounce	sheesh, that's some tortured english. that's what you get for discussing killing and raping, eh
11:58	mircea_popescu	wait, what did i do ?!
11:58	bounce	not you
12:00	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.16759665 BTC to 16`255 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
12:00	mircea_popescu	at any rate, my argument here is that the very reason "we" are more open about it is because WOMEN are more open about it, and they are more open about it because their safety requires it and they finally figured it out
12:00	bounce	eh, can't be arsed to try and make a nice graph out of serial kills / total pop over time
12:01	mircea_popescu	well you have the excuse you're not an anthropologist, so not really your job to do that anyway.
12:01	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HASH] [PAID] 3.75949896 BTC to 144`374 shares, 2604 satoshi per share
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12:03	bounce	well, assuming so, that'd mean they're becoming more independent. less excuse to hide behind a strong man and so on.
12:04	mircea_popescu	right. and speaking of the victorians, they most definitely didn't have the current highschool/college situation, where pretty much every girl has fucked pretty much every guy,
12:04	mircea_popescu	unless it wasn't worth the hassle because her friends did and meh
12:04	bounce	the serial killer statistics are too marginal to really drive this though, so it'd have to be perception or something else. can't be the sole driver.
12:04	mircea_popescu	nah, marginal gains can be enough
12:04	mircea_popescu	humans are meta machines, the PERCEPTION of the danger is the driver, not the actual danger.
12:05	mircea_popescu	and for the single woman with no contacts, the situation is fucking terrifing. so this guy asked you out. well ?
12:05	mircea_popescu	!up moriarty
12:05	moriarty	think of perception as inputs to the machine
12:05	moriarty	and you don't need to consider meta anything
12:05	mircea_popescu	!down moriarty
12:06	bounce	well, yeah, "terrism" is keeping our rulers busy but realistically the risk is less than getting raped then murdered by $improbable_ethnic
12:06	mircea_popescu	that was fast eh.
12:06	mircea_popescu	bounce but $improbable_ethnic is hawt@!
12:06	bounce	let's assemble a pop band out of $improbable_ethic roughnecks and float them on the stock market
12:07	mircea_popescu	and "terrorism" is a fantastic driver of behaviour. i have all these reports about adults, ADULTS!!11 mind you, freezing in their tracks because the kindergarten caregiver has said so.
12:07	mircea_popescu	it boggles the mind.
12:07	ben_vulpes	morning, fanatics.
12:07	mircea_popescu	it's beyond the inconceivable, for me.
12:07	mircea_popescu	but i'm rooting for twister being introduced by the tsa
12:08	ben_vulpes	humans can't handle statistics. big disaster with 0% likelihood freezes the brain in its place.
12:08	*	bounce is still groping for the reasons why the ruli^Wpoliticking elite likes it so much
12:08	mircea_popescu	or w/e that thing is called where teenagers try to touch colored spots in order to have an excuse to rub together
12:08	ben_vulpes	oh, acid.
12:08	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes no dude, it's for lame churchkids
12:08	ben_vulpes	no i know
12:09	mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twister_(game) << there, retardopedia knows all about it.
12:09	assbot	Twister (game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12:09	ben_vulpes	but touching colored spots (to the tongue) for an excuse to rub together
12:09	ben_vulpes	just crying out for a bad drug joke
12:09	mircea_popescu	lolk
12:10	bounce	moriarty: do you have a script messaging everybody in the channel about ##econometrics or something?
12:10	bounce	!up moriarty
12:10	kakobrekla	hm, i just emailed instructions for my host in de to my host in fr.
12:10	moriarty	bounce, ##econometrics is awesome
12:10	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla .de, .fr, early version of gpg keys. hope they can't decode ? :D
12:10	bounce	that isn't an answer to the question
12:11	kakobrekla	hehe
12:11	moriarty	bounce, so i just got laid with a hot russian babe
12:11	ben_vulpes	##econometrics has its moments, but it's mostly people arguing about noise in the signal
12:11	moriarty	ben_vulpes, noise is to those who are unable to understand the signal
12:11	*	moriarty shrugs
12:11	mircea_popescu	!down moriarty
12:11	ben_vulpes	#btc-pricetalk, but for everything.
12:11	mircea_popescu	dude you're curdling my capuccino.
12:12	ben_vulpes	the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd.
12:12	mircea_popescu	i think i was there once, but it was tumbleweed city.
12:13	mircea_popescu	anyway, if it's anything like this dude, it'd basically lesswrong/meatballswiki/somethingawful hivemind. unemployable graduates with fixed if erroneous ideas "about the world"
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12:13	bounce	depends. was there quite a while but left. apparently the spammer doesn't remember.
12:13	mircea_popescu	considering how much they spent implanting the nonsense in the skull, it ain't never coming out.
12:14	bounce	should run for senate then, eh.
12:14	mircea_popescu	<ben_vulpes> the notion that anyone's getting signal out of the market ticking up or down is absurd. << you know the interestin thing about humans is, the talented musician/painter/we can transform the brownian motion of the atmosphere into signal.
12:14	mircea_popescu	more about the minds than the subject matter, i say.
12:15	ben_vulpes	no wai
12:15	mircea_popescu	bounce yeah, it worked fine back when there was one of these idiots per university. at 1k unis and 400 seats it was still feasible.
12:15	ben_vulpes	f(chaos) -> melody?
12:15	mircea_popescu	but by now, with half a million of them choking reddit and "social media"...
12:16	mircea_popescu	(and that "back then" time is probably captured in road trip. tom green is the stereotypical libertard, 1990s version)
12:16	mircea_popescu	meanwhile they multiplied to the degree they're the premier failure mode of the young adult.
12:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00073986 = 3.6253 BTC [+]
12:17	bounce	sounds like a serious luxury problem
12:17	mircea_popescu	"“Citizens capable of contributing to the development of a sustainable society must first develop empathy. This empathy will be developed through an advanced awareness of oppression and inequity that exists at a local and national level. Students will become aware of inequities, examine why these inequities exist, understand the concept of institutionalized privilege, and recognize systematized oppression (e.g. indiv
12:17	mircea_popescu	idual, institutional, and societal). " << ironically, they got there by actually FOLLOWING the education system
12:17	mircea_popescu	as opposed to all the failure modes in history prior to that, which resulted from failing to follow the educational paradigm
12:17	mircea_popescu	i guess this is what you get when you adapt the schooling to "the needs and capacities" of the students.
12:18	bounce	thus we conclude that successful socialism is a good way to bring down society
12:18	ben_vulpes	in other news, i rigidified my bed
12:18	ben_vulpes	put it on felt pads for ease of moving and cleaning
12:19	ben_vulpes	and now the damn thing squeaks abominably during any vigorous motion
12:19	mircea_popescu	bounce what a novel thought that is :p
12:19	ben_vulpes	*mid-bed leg bends slightly, overcomes static friction, jitters across floor*
12:19	ben_vulpes	*everyone loses focus*
12:19	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes dude srsly, bed SHOULD make sounds.
12:20	mircea_popescu	maybe only now have you finaly matured sexually, are fucking correctly ?
12:20	ben_vulpes	why should the bed make sounds?
12:20	mircea_popescu	cause it's getting broken ?
12:21	ben_vulpes	i dunno man i expect my tools to stand up to abuse
12:21	ben_vulpes	girl should squeal, yes
12:21	ben_vulpes	mill chatter? bed complain? hammer crack?
12:21	bounce	artificial creaking device for unbreakable beds. kickstarter, take it away!
12:21	mircea_popescu	totally.
12:21	bounce	actually, wasn't there already an app for that?
12:24	jurov	mircea_popescu:i see you sent punkman's 10000 s.bbet shares to coinbr?
12:24	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol: dayum. so has redundant domains like mpx been considered? .co .us .biz, etc << the domains aren't the problem.
12:24	mircea_popescu	jurov and sent you a pm about it yes.
12:24	mircea_popescu	i got "* [jurov] is away (Auto away at Thu Oct 16 00:16:03 2014)"
12:25	bounce	then again, it's not as bad as that. the socialists build their own old boys club and pass cushy jobs back and forth. well-paid jobs "helping" various types of the needy with plenty of taxpayer money. all the elitism, now with extra pretense.
12:25	jurov	oh now i see ... an complaint from otr plugin that you sent unencrypted msg :)
12:25	mircea_popescu	"I would like to start by saying that in context of the below, my identity is irrelevant. My identity becomes relevant if I break the law, which is something that neither myself nor my employees have done. " herp. "i am resigning. who is 'i' ? don't ask! and take my anon claim at face value as to everything else"
12:26	mircea_popescu	who is this moolah fucktard anyway ?
12:26	mircea_popescu	jurov oddly it said nothing back to me. otr's a fucking mess ;/
12:26	mircea_popescu	!up frb
12:27	mircea_popescu	bounce idiots love pretense above all else.
12:27	mircea_popescu	and they have this tendency to imagine that pretending about pretending is going to solve all their problems.
12:27	frb	uh, thanks for the voice, is it because you know i'm admin. of 8chan.co or is it just random mircea_popescu ?
12:27	frb	because if you have questions i can answer them
12:27	mircea_popescu	frb i generally up new names, see if they're going to say something stupid or not
12:27	frb	oh, hehe. i'm not new, i idle in here for a long time.
12:28	mircea_popescu	i think most people do about the same.
12:28	mircea_popescu	so what's 8chan ?
12:28	frb	a dangerous terrorist organization, apparently
12:28	frb	we've been featured in MSNBC, CNN and CBS in the last week
12:28	mircea_popescu	heh mkay. do you have porn ?
12:28	frb	someone sent em 13BTC yesterday
12:28	frb	of course!
12:28	frb	it's like 4chan but you make your own board.
12:28	frb	8chan.co/create.php
12:28	mircea_popescu	would you mind making a bot for this chan ?
12:28	mircea_popescu	to replace the old .bait function
12:28	frb	what would that entail?
12:29	RagnarDanneskjol	i saw an article on this guy just yesterday - huh
12:29	mircea_popescu	that when i say .bait your bot spits out a link to an image
12:29	mircea_popescu	that includes cunt and no panties.
12:29	mircea_popescu	!s bait
12:29	assbot	807 results for 'bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bait
12:30	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#658678 << like that.
12:30	assbot	Logged on 04-05-2014 09:08:41; Hasbro: .bait
12:30	mircea_popescu	except pr0nz that don't suck.
12:31	mircea_popescu	frb anyway, what's this news thing i'm missing ? all that google returns are two hits on x-box something or the other.
12:31	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol where ?
12:32	frb	http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2014/10/15/4chan-wizardchan-8chan-le-guide-des-forums-anonymes-les-plus-populaires-du-web_4505380_4408996.html http://kotaku.com/another-woman-in-gaming-flees-home-following-death-thre-1645280338 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2789937/female-game-developer-forced-flee-home-twitter-user-publishes-address-threatens-rape-kill-criticised-video-game-group.html
12:32	assbot	4chan, wizardchan, 8chan : le guide des forums anonymes les plus populaires du Web
12:32	assbot	Another Woman In Gaming Flees Home Following Death Threats
12:32	assbot	Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
12:32	mircea_popescu	lmao mkay.
12:32	RagnarDanneskjol	i have no idea - just remember i saw it somewhere
12:32	frb	"Female game developer forced to flee her home after horrific 8chan rape and murder threats in latest sexism scandal plaguing industry
12:32	mircea_popescu	this is serendipitious, ppl kept derping at me to revive dtng
12:32	frb	Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2789937/female-game-developer-forced-flee-home-twitter-user-publishes-address-threatens-rape-kill-criticised-video-game-group.html#ixzz3GKIM1bhK
12:32	assbot	Brianna Wu forced to flee her home after Twitter threats | Daily Mail Online
12:32	frb	oops
12:32	frb	"horrific 8chan rape and murder threats" lmao
12:32	frb	they fundamentally misunderstand my site, basically.
12:33	frb	i'm moving to the philippines in 10 days.
12:33	RagnarDanneskjol	so thats why yur trending. cool
12:33	mircea_popescu	it being a chan
12:33	frb	i have a partnership with 2channel, 2ch.net
12:33	frb	biggest japanese BBS.
12:33	mircea_popescu	"chans don't understand how the world works!"
12:33	mircea_popescu	ok, so what questions would i be asking you ?
12:33	mircea_popescu	said the lazy qntra nonreporter
12:34	frb	i'm not sure mircea_popescu. i have idled in this channel for a long time and never said anything, so i thought it was significant :)
12:34	frb	also we talked before, i am "kopipe" on bitcointalk forums.
12:34	frb	but i don't use them much now.
12:34	mircea_popescu	o you mean with mpoe-pr ?
12:34	frb	oh, yes.
12:34	mircea_popescu	kay.
12:35	mircea_popescu	so what's in the philipines ?
12:35	frb	in fact, since an anonymous donor sent me 13 BTC - i thought it could even be you and you were letting me know.
12:35	frb	sorry for jumping to conclusions.
12:35	mircea_popescu	well if it's anon it's anon eh.
12:36	thickasthieves	imagine of newsmedia found this chan
12:36	mircea_popescu	but they have.
12:36	thickasthieves	and your rape articles
12:36	thickasthieves	i mean in this context
12:36	frb	if you don't want me in here, that's fine. lol
12:36	mircea_popescu	hey, some of my biggest readers are indignant mainstream "jouralist" chicks
12:36	thickasthieves	8chan retreats to IRC where rape-supportes dwell!
12:37	thickasthieves	frb, i aint saying to leave
12:37	mircea_popescu	;;isitdown 8chan.co
12:37	gribble	8chan.co is up
12:37	thickasthieves	idgas about media dramagates
12:37	mircea_popescu	people gotta get used with the idea that their lives are in danger anyway.
12:37	frb	so, racequeen.ph is in the philippines. that is our parent company.
12:37	thickasthieves	this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on
12:37	frb	we are the international division of 2ch
12:37	mircea_popescu	their government failed, and this is what happens when your government fails.
12:38	frb	gamergate is not interesting at all thickasthieves, i am just benefiting frmo it by providing a free speech imageboard for them.
12:38	thickasthieves	word
12:38	bounce	too bad you can't just buy up a country and add some new management
12:38	frb	2ch is the largest BBS in japan, it receives 5,000 posts per minute at peak period.
12:38	mircea_popescu	bounce o you can't ?!
12:39	bounce	you may prove me wrong
12:39	mircea_popescu	shit i've been wasting my lyf!
12:39	mircea_popescu	frb if you can prove you haveadmin access to 8chan.co i'll rate you
12:40	mircea_popescu	then you can self-voice.
12:40	frb	would an email from admin@8chan.co suffice?
12:40	mircea_popescu	sure.
12:40	bounce	how much in the way of staff do you have running the thing?
12:40	mircea_popescu	shit this is such a relief, i was seriously considering i'll have to open a chan
12:42	frb	sent to office at polimedia dot us.
12:44	mircea_popescu	;;rate frb 1 runs 8chan.co
12:44	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user frb has been recorded.
12:44	mircea_popescu	frb now about that bot ?
12:44	frb	lol
12:44	frb	ask me in a month.
12:44	mircea_popescu	aite.
12:45	mircea_popescu	https://8chan.co/b/thumb/1413465875742.gif meanwhile
12:45	kakobrekla	good call, having a dedi bot makes it easy to ignore.
12:45	thickasthieves	lol @ gif
12:46	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yup
12:47	*	kakobrekla wonders if he is the only one to see that as noise
12:49	mircea_popescu	do you ?
12:49	jurov	what? .baits?
12:49	*	bounce doesn't think of that as signal, no
12:49	kakobrekla	actually yea i do.
12:49	mircea_popescu	i had no idea.
12:50	mircea_popescu	i see it as an invaluable tool to keep the overton window wide enough so actual stuff of value can occur.
12:50	mircea_popescu	otherwise people get narrow.
12:50	bounce	overton?
12:50	kakobrekla	pussy makes one broader?
12:51	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys.
12:51	bounce	there's got to be a "broad" pun in there... somewhere
12:51	mircea_popescu	;;google overton window
12:51	gribble	Overton window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window>; The Overton Window [Mackinac Center]: <http://www.mackinac.org/OvertonWindow>; Articles: Barack Obama Climbs through the Overton Window: <http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/barack_obama_climbs_through_the_overton_window.html>
12:51	mircea_popescu	look fluffypony https://8chan.co/pone/ they got ponyS!!1
12:51	assbot	/pone/ - My Little Pony
12:52	mircea_popescu	!up devthedev
12:52	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu what about them gays?
12:52	fluffypony	*clicks*
12:52	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hm ?
12:52	devthedev	New blog post: https://cryptodeck.com/moopay-to-stay-open/
12:52	mircea_popescu	lmao
12:52	mircea_popescu	"/younglove/Pedophile Support and Discussion"
12:52	kakobrekla	so only pussy makes one broader, not the dick?
12:52	kakobrekla	this cant be true.
12:53	mircea_popescu	;;google seinfeld kramer "what if it's so true your head is spinning like a top!"
12:53	gribble	Favourite Seinfeld quotes: <http://www.systems.caltech.edu/~rao/seinquotes.html>; Cosmo Kramer (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010181/quotes>; Seinfeld (TV Series 1989–1998) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098904/quotes>
12:53	*	jurov checks if it has /bara/
12:54	jurov	yes it does :)
12:54	thickasthieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/blocksize-economics/ Gavin defends
12:54	assbot	Blocksize Economics | The Bitcoin Foundation
12:54	mircea_popescu	"Hi guys Decided to post this here to see if I could find more people interested in this project. I am Cruel-Cherry one of the guys making the game named "Project Cherry" (working title) A game thats about raping little lolis in cruel ways."
12:54	mircea_popescu	o.o i think we have actually found the bottom of the internets.
12:56	kakobrekla	mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yes. which is why men are more pleasant company than boys. < next time you wannat a real fuck, flit through 3 .baits. its all the same, isnt it?
12:56	nubbins`	<+thickasthieves> this whole gamergate thing has been so disinteresting i have yet to read anything about whatever the hell is going on << i've avoided the whole thing until i stumbled across an article the other day about that sarkeesian woman
12:56	nubbins`	bomb threat asshole says he's going to recreate the montreal massacre
12:56	nubbins`	i hope they find him and cut his dick off with a cheese grater
12:56	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wait wut
12:57	thickasthieves	!up frb
12:57	kakobrekla	as far as i understood .jpg will keep you as wide as the real thing. well maybe not .jpg, but a .gif.
12:58	kakobrekla	thats why we post em, no?
12:58	mircea_popescu	that was a discussion about the discussion.
12:58	mircea_popescu	let's put it this way : if it's okay to post pronz, it's okay to be stupid.
12:58	nubbins`	webm is the new gif
12:58	mircea_popescu	people need to be able to be stupid because noobs are stupid.
12:59	mircea_popescu	more importantly, everyone has an endless capacity for stupidity, and if we're too cool we'll self-censor ourselves into extinction.
12:59	kakobrekla	posting a pic here and there is not same as dedi bot for vex and tsp fap to
12:59	mircea_popescu	but no autopositng is contemplated
12:59	mircea_popescu	you hated the old .bait ?
13:00	thickasthieves	ok i have a question about this block size thing, supposing it stays is, couldnt miners just specialize if size became an issue? As in, big mining ops would filter big fees, small mining ops small fees. Then further extend this to nodes, where a node provider could make a custom wallet that automatically broadcasted the tx to itseld and the blockchain at large, and you pay a fee to them
13:00	thickasthieves	direct;ly to get relayed ... ?
13:00	thickasthieves	long short, is it a problem at all?
13:00	kakobrekla	cant say i liked it.
13:00	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves the hard fork is a problem, mostly because they're trying to introduce a whole slew of 0days into the protocol itself.
13:01	thickasthieves	i'm not even talking about the fork aspect
13:01	thickasthieves	which i'm totallt against in and of itself
13:01	mircea_popescu	to make it perfectly clear : no team that in any way includes any of the currently proscribed usg agents (gavin, maxwell, hearn etc) can ever make a fork. never.
13:01	thickasthieves	forking to add features is stupid
13:01	mircea_popescu	they could just as well retire, because they can no longer actually contribute. but if they don't want to retire they can hang around as lolcow fodder.
13:02	mircea_popescu	the matter of them actually adding something however is closed.
13:02	thickasthieves	but i was more asking whether my specific examples work
13:02	thickasthieves	whether miners and nodes could do such things
13:02	thickasthieves	cuz if they can, i just dont get why to change
13:03	mircea_popescu	well no, a block larger than 1mb can not be mined.
13:04	thickasthieves	not what i meant
13:04	nubbins`	yeah .bait sucked
13:04	thickasthieves	i mean keeping blocks same size
13:04	nubbins`	put it in another chan if you want it
13:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7346 @ 0.00073688 = 5.4131 BTC [-]
13:06	nubbins`	regarding forks, why not just make S.BTCD and hire someone who's not a puppet to maintain the codebase?
13:07	mircea_popescu	nubbins` did you have ozbot on ignore ?
13:07	bounce	isn't that thing being maintained already?
13:07	thickasthieves	https://www.bitstamp.net/article/final-notice-to-unverified-account-holders/
13:07	thickasthieves	http://www.cnbc.com/id/102093767?trknav=homestack:topnews:3#.
13:07	nubbins`	bounce "maintained"
13:08	nubbins`	mircea_popescu nah
13:08	bounce	o_O haven't paid attention tho
13:08	nubbins`	seems the simplest solution to suspicions of codebase being diddled, no?
13:08	bounce	if it wasn't full of diddles to start with
13:09	nubbins`	hire someone to sit down with 0.5/0.6, merge sensible changes from newer revisions, toss the cruft and backdoors
13:09	thickasthieves	add new ones
13:09	thickasthieves	etc
13:09	mircea_popescu	nubbins` so then what exactly sucked ?
13:09	nubbins`	mircea_popescu my attitude, i guess
13:10	mircea_popescu	yeah, well, the problem being that the "more of the same" filter google uses is actually conterproductive to intelligence
13:10	mircea_popescu	gotta expose people to things they wouldn't seek on their own. it's the very point of rape in the first place.
13:10	mircea_popescu	they might not like it, of course. kinda the point.
13:10	nubbins`	ah get out
13:11	nubbins`	thickasthieves: at leas then you get to choose which backdoors you adopt 8)
13:11	bounce	backdoors by democratic vote? there's an idea.
13:11	bounce	what happened to that ground-up rewrite though?
13:12	nubbins`	well, i mean, who's to say chetty isn't putting backdoors into eulora and 5 years from now everybody's account gets drained?
13:12	*	bounce hasn't paid attention there
13:12	nubbins`	bounce ground-up rewrite will never happen
13:12	mircea_popescu	https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month.
13:12	assbot	animated.webm
13:12	mircea_popescu	nubbins` nobody, but then again eulora doesn't claim to be "decentralised yo"
13:13	nubbins`	indeed it doesn't
13:14	kakobrekla	!up GNULinuxGuy
13:14	nubbins`	anyway, i'm sure all these people running patched 0.5-0.6 would love a package maintainer
13:14	nubbins`	we'll see, i guess
13:14	bounce	"bitstamp announces unverified customer fund giveaway to government"
13:15	mircea_popescu	nubbins` problem is they couldn't trust an outsider.
13:15	TomServo	heh - I wonder what kind of numbers they're talking about in those accounts.
13:15	nubbins`	mircea_popescu this is the true detriment of not being able to code
13:16	nubbins`	you're utterly dependent on others
13:16	bounce	you'd be that even if you could code, for larger projects. it's just easier to see when you're being led down the garden path.
13:17	nubbins`	granted, sure
13:17	Adlai	coding is the new literacy
13:17	nubbins`	^
13:17	nubbins`	"how do i know brainwallet.org isn't stealing my keys?"
13:18	*	Adlai had to help a shopper in the supermarket find the right kind of rice a few weeks ago, realized it was the first time in his life he'd met a truly illiterate person
13:18	nubbins`	well, you don't, but if you can read a bit of code, at least you'll feel like less of a rube when you get robbed
13:18	nubbins`	Adlai my old man used to supervise seafarer/mariner exams
13:18	Adlai	it took around half a minute to realize that no, she hadn't forgotten glasses at home, it wasn't a language issue. she just couldn't read.
13:18	kakobrekla	!up Phraust
13:18	nubbins`	more than once, he allowed men to bring their wives into the exam room so they could read out the questions
13:18	Phraust	:D
13:18	Phraust	danke
13:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6454 @ 0.00073688 = 4.7558 BTC [-]
13:21	Adlai	"very large value transactions are typically secured by real-world contracts, long-established trust relationships, lawyers, and court systems." - chief scientist of the trustless money foundation
13:22	mircea_popescu	derp.
13:22	mircea_popescu	how is this guy related to bitcoin again ?
13:22	Adlai	i think they went to summer camp together
13:22	mircea_popescu	o right.
13:22	mircea_popescu	somebody send him the gpg contracts article, and perhaps read it to him too.
13:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00073436 = 8.2248 BTC [-] {2}
13:29	thickasthieves	from the presentation apple is giving now http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/18244/DSC_0262.jpg
13:29	BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/21F7VGP
13:29	assbot	dpaste: 21F7VGP
13:30	mircea_popescu	yee
13:31	nubbins`	real-world contracts!!
13:31	nubbins`	what the fuck does that mean?
13:31	thestringpuller	qntra still DDOS?
13:31	nubbins`	guy in the middle has best hat
13:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00073426 = 23.4229 BTC [-] {2}
13:32	BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Appears so
13:32	kakobrekla	!up davidlatapie
13:32	thestringpuller	can we proxy the problem away like with mpex?
13:32	thestringpuller	or is this because of pingback?
13:32	pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/wjrothman/status/522801788685008896 << apple descends further into parody
13:33	assbot	Apple's new "chief of secrecy" is Stephen Colbert, who Federighi is calling on the phone right now... http://t.co/frFPi496fj
13:36	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it means the idiocy derps who refuse to submit but like to pretend they're part of bitcoin hide behind.
13:36	thestringpuller	;;google moolah.io
13:36	gribble	moolah.io - digital currency, made easy: <https://moolah.io/>; Moolah | All things digital currency. - Moolah.io: <http://blog.moolah.io/>; About - moolah.io - digital currency, made easy: <https://moolah.io/about>
13:36	mircea_popescu	tom derpy is like "o, this is *just* irc"
13:37	mircea_popescu	sorta like i'm going "oh, you're just the sec lawyer ? get a gpg we'll talk"
13:39	Adlai	lolbert https://imgur.com/gallery/74SUP
13:39	assbot	Robert Plant Interview - Imgur
13:39	xinxi	i read the log
13:39	thestringpuller	what if the SEC lawyer did get GPG? would you actually talk to them?
13:40	thestringpuller	or just negrate SEC -10 "this isn't their world go home"
13:40	xinxi	i am quite surprised and felt quite sorry that I offended so many people.
13:41	Adlai	possibly stupid question about WoT... doesn't it rely on everybody trusting gribble? what does it offer over the regular PGP trust model?
13:41	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller certainlky.
13:41	thestringpuller	Adlai: you don't have to use gribble i don't think...
13:42	mircea_popescu	Adlai well other than the regular pgp being incredibly broken in so many ways,
13:42	mircea_popescu	it offers comments and rate values.
13:42	bounce	yes, and its operator, but it's a lot more convenient than gepoking the keyservers every time
13:42	thestringpuller	hmmm i never thought of that. can you submit a rating without gribble...
13:42	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller no.
13:43	thestringpuller	in theory there could be another point of entry without sacrificing security because gribble auths via gpg
13:44	Adlai	right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble?
13:46	mircea_popescu	!up harry_
13:46	xinxi	anyway, I won’t talk about my site here anymore.
13:46	mircea_popescu	Adlai this is in the logs. search!
13:46	harry_	hi
13:47	*	Adlai isn't sure what keywords to search for, to find a conversation he's never seen before
13:48	RagnarDanneskjol	xinxi - no offense taken - but NICE JOB workin in one more plug for the site.. you''re a pro
13:49	Adlai	it'd be nice if search.bitcoin-assets.com had equivalents to grep's -[ABC]
13:49	thestringpuller	Adlai: tell mthreat
13:49	mircea_popescu	you mean negative match ?
13:50	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol he didn't actually plug it did he ?
13:50	Adlai	-A = after context, -B = before context, -C = both
13:50	mircea_popescu	o o
13:50	mircea_popescu	yeah, that's be a nice feature.
13:51	rithm	i usually do -N to get the lines around it myself
13:51	RagnarDanneskjol	no he didnt - I'm just fuckin with him
13:51	RagnarDanneskjol	kind of tho
13:52	mod6	%ob
13:52	atcbot	7k@266 99k@255 29k@225 | 28k@190 70k@180 100k@175
13:52	mod6	%v
13:52	atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 193k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 197
13:52	BingoBoingo	%d
13:52	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326133.84 in 109 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.64
13:52	nubbins`	then you're fucked
13:52	mod6	heheh
13:52	nubbins`	oops, i was scrolled up :0
13:52	rithm	what the fuck is ATC
13:52	xinxi	RagnarDanneskjol - I’ve already applogized for my offense.
13:53	nubbins`	rithm nothing
13:53	nubbins`	<+Adlai> right, but we're still trusting an IRC bot. what if somebody derps freenode after you've authenticated with gribble? << then you're fucked
13:54	rithm	none of those number make any sense to me
13:54	Adlai	rithm: they're Altcoin prices, in whole numbers of satoshi
13:54	rithm	make them die a horrible death and go away
13:54	thickasthieves	rithm www.therealaltcoin.org
13:54	rithm	NO NO NO NO NO
13:54	thickasthieves	hehe
13:54	*	rithm closes ears
13:54	mircea_popescu	okay, kakobrekla and anyone else interested : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tlog1.txt approx 200k lines grepped from trilema logs for 4xx and 5xx errors, and cleanned up a little.
13:55	RagnarDanneskjol	ooh nice
13:55	mircea_popescu	there may still be some straggler legitimate users caught in a 404 through no fault of their own, but mostly it's bots trying to be all haxxor
13:55	kakobrekla	curious if they match up with mine.
13:56	mircea_popescu	yeah me too
13:56	mircea_popescu	or anyone else's for that matter.
13:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7730 @ 0.00073881 = 5.711 BTC [+] {3}
13:57	mircea_popescu	(the wp-comment lines are in there legitimately, btw. the way trilema works is that if an ip has a previous comment spamlisted, further connections are rejected outright. so these are all spammers, and can be used as such)
13:57	mircea_popescu	191.235.134.39 "POST /wp-comments-post.php << stuff like this
13:59	pete_dushenski	lol new apple a8x chip from ipadair2 has a barometer
14:01	jurov	qntra.net resolves to localhost now?
14:01	jurov	i forgot what i have on my machin and got scared for a second
14:03	mircea_popescu	yeah currently
14:03	BingoBoingo	I'm still all 403 trying to Trilema ream
14:03	mircea_popescu	pm yer ip ?
14:08	mircea_popescu	https://8chan.co/cuteboys/res/7482.html << lol
14:08	assbot	/cuteboys/ - Boypussy
14:09	Adlai	thickasthieves: did you ever get your FOIA request answered? (re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767183 )
14:09	assbot	Logged on 24-07-2014 15:58:12; ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
14:11	Adlai	nvm, found http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#844444
14:11	assbot	Logged on 25-09-2014 12:13:49; ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens.
14:12	pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ESFx0Fir4
14:12	assbot	CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta suits up in Ebola protective ... - YouTube
14:14	Adlai	five years from now, Dr Sanjay Gupta releases a documentary about how Ebola is actually healthy
14:20	thestringpuller	blogs.bitcoin-assets.com << I give up?
14:20	thestringpuller	:(
14:21	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller on ?
14:24	mircea_popescu	"Our staffing costs alone run $45,000 a month"
14:24	mircea_popescu	heh. srsly ?
14:25	mircea_popescu	assbot: Dogecoin Leaders Present Evidence <<< lol doge leaders sounds so funny.
14:25	pete_dushenski	"I give up. Do it yourself: config.tar" << from blogs.b-a
14:26	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: that's what the site says
14:26	thickasthieves	pankkake disowning us
14:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00073726 = 5.2345 BTC [-]
14:26	nubbins`	;/
14:26	mircea_popescu	a no more blogs ?
14:27	thestringpuller	unless someone else wants to do it i suppose
14:27	thickasthieves	throw em all into qntra, fuckit
14:27	mircea_popescu	s'okay.
14:27	thestringpuller	XD
14:27	pete_dushenski	thickasthieves: hmm it would seem so
14:28	pete_dushenski	pankkake got turned!
14:28	ben_vulpes	baww that's a shame
14:28	mike_c	;;seen pankkake
14:28	gribble	pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <pankkake> here is 0.000195.
14:28	thickasthieves	i'm speaking for him, with no good reason, but my guess is he sees the extremism turning to cultism, turning to delusion
14:28	mircea_popescu	isn't that kinda of an extremist approach ?
14:28	pete_dushenski	thickasthieves: then bloggers could earn shares!
14:28	thickasthieves	well sometimes i feel that way
14:29	thickasthieves	but its why i like it here
14:29	thickasthieves	i can be that guy poking around
14:29	kakobrekla	turned?
14:29	thickasthieves	seeing what holds up
14:29	mircea_popescu	well so could he or anyone lol.
14:29	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i dunno, guy got butthurt over some linux discussion
14:29	mircea_popescu	oh, it was systemv specifically.
14:29	mircea_popescu	hasn't been around much since, so who knows.
14:29	thickasthieves	he was mad about altcoin topics too if i recall
14:30	pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: into a pumpkin. past midnight?
14:30	thickasthieves	and pete's blog kinda illustrates my example perfectly
14:30	thickasthieves	particularly the post pankkake commented on
14:30	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves whassat ?
14:30	thickasthieves	so that;s my theory for his leaving!
14:30	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/16/the-difference-between-weak-hands-and-strong-hands/#comment-3386
14:30	assbot	The Difference Between Weak Hands And Strong Hands | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
14:30	thickasthieves	well pete does ham it up
14:31	pete_dushenski	thickasthieves: to great effect ;/
14:31	thickasthieves	hey i read it
14:31	thickasthieves	:)
14:31	mircea_popescu	so a guy agrees, a guy doesn't agree, big deal either way.
14:31	thickasthieves	he's french
14:31	thickasthieves	waddaya want
14:31	mircea_popescu	!up poulos
14:32	mircea_popescu	i dun recall the last time someone was required to believe something they didn't lol.
14:32	mircea_popescu	what nonsense is that anyway.
14:32	pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/522814782165229568
14:32	assbot	Hey /gavinandresen, nice article today. Very convenient that you neglected to mention this smackdown, eh? http://t.co/q55JEZbT6R
14:32	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you didn't go to public school?
14:33	mircea_popescu	yea, i did.
14:33	mircea_popescu	but in communist romania things worked better, apparently.
14:33	thickasthieves	i just walked into a corner of sheet metal ... blud
14:33	thickasthieves	just my shin though
14:33	thickasthieves	should be ok
14:33	mircea_popescu	anyway, re cultishness thickasthieves : the one datapoint i have so far is that b-a broke the cultish misinterpretation of how to use wot/ratings prevalent prior to its existence.
14:33	mircea_popescu	this has resulted in some bruised wot accounts, danielpbarron being perhaps the best example
14:33	thickasthieves	i dont think it;s something to be defensive about so much as internally sensitive to
14:34	mircea_popescu	but as far as any sane measure can be had, this is the only open bitcoin space
14:34	mircea_popescu	i dun really see the value to the entire sensitivity.h include.
14:34	mircea_popescu	it's buggy code and i won't have it in my software.
14:34	thickasthieves	i dont mean it in an emotional sense
14:34	thickasthieves	i mean it's easy to get lost in ideals
14:34	thickasthieves	and hard to ever achieve them
14:35	mircea_popescu	except there are no ideals
14:35	mircea_popescu	which is what the entire cause vs purpose discussion is all about.
14:35	thickasthieves	in practice, i agree, there arent
14:35	thickasthieves	ideals are just focal points
14:36	thickasthieves	if you move they do too
14:36	pete_dushenski	ideally...
14:37	thickasthieves	its also why i pressed you about the article you wrote
14:37	thickasthieves	would be nice to get a nugget of proof here and there
14:37	mircea_popescu	mats_cd03: so, web developers of #b-a: for what reasons would you use HTTPS? << it's not actually useful.
14:38	kakobrekla	for the purpose of keeping chumps happy.
14:38	mircea_popescu	bounce: it's better than to not use it, <<< this is perhaps the longest endless discussion i don't feel like having. is it better to have loved a whore or to not have gotten the pox at all ?! etc.
14:39	mircea_popescu	;;seen smickles
14:39	gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 20 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
14:40	thickasthieves	;;later tell asciilifeform New imac - 27-inch display. 5210 x 2880 pixels. - no word on bits yet
14:40	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:40	mats_cd03	thats a lot of pixels
14:40	mircea_popescu	didnt stan want the pixels the other way ?
14:40	mircea_popescu	i guess that ain't happening any time soon tho.
14:40	thickasthieves	well he want pixels and bits
14:40	thickasthieves	apple's stuff so far is 6bit with 8bit sim
14:40	thickasthieves	he wants real 8bit
14:40	thickasthieves	which no one makes anymore
14:41	*	kakobrekla is on 7680*2280
14:41	mircea_popescu	also 2880x5210 rather than as is
14:41	jurov	iirc he wants RGB pixels
14:42	jurov	whereas pentile is RGBY where RG and BY are mapped to two pixels
14:42	jurov	i have pentile display (lenovo yoga 2) so did some research why some patterns suck
14:42	jurov	*er RGBW (white)
14:44	jurov	obv there are color rendition problems (esp. saturated yellow) but text is crisp, i'm satisfied
14:45	jurov	also, i use it only away from home, i do most work on on desktop
14:46	*	mircea_popescu uses 1280 px displays and doesn't give a shit
14:47	thickasthieves	mp is also color blind and reads in 72pt type
14:47	thickasthieves	<3
14:48	mircea_popescu	more like 36 but yeah
14:48	thickasthieves	with the imac you could see all the warts on your porn
14:48	mircea_popescu	i suppose that goes a long way to explain it huh, as long as your fonts are a cm tall 1k or 5k px are all about the same
14:48	xinxi	OK, the issue between RagnarDanneskjol and me was just resolved.
14:48	mircea_popescu	but i don't care about the warts.
14:49	mircea_popescu	xinxi lol what did you do
14:49	thickasthieves	xinxi, wouldnt ragnar be the one to exclaim so?
14:49	ben_vulpes	lol what was going on there?
14:49	mircea_popescu	maybe he's now asleep ?
14:49	xinxi	he has something to do at this moment.
14:49	xinxi	I just talked to him.
14:50	xinxi	we just tried to understand each other.
14:50	ben_vulpes	was he on your case for plugging your site?
14:50	xinxi	he talked about it.
14:50	ben_vulpes	p. sure everyone in here does that pretty regularly for their own projects.
14:50	*	jurov has "startx -- --dpi 166" on the yoga and the text is still 3mm or so. exactly as it should.
14:51	mats_cd03	yoga ideapad?
14:51	jurov	yes
14:51	mats_cd03	that thing is so troublesome with linux.
14:51	TomServo	because of optimus? or?
14:51	jurov	i have linux in emulator, use that windows 8 crap only as loader and hw interface
14:52	mats_cd03	the touchpad regularly dies, so i have to run a script with the sleep daemon to wake it up whenever
14:52	xinxi	now I am relieved and going to sleep. talk to you guys tomorrow.
14:52	mats_cd03	but the touchscreen works with suse drivers outta the box. funny how that works.
14:53	ben_vulpes	;;ident xinxi
14:53	gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
14:53	ben_vulpes	;;gettrust wangxinxi
14:53	gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-185-15.dynip.nus.edu.sg. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=wangxinxi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wangxinxi | Rated since: Mon Oct 13 16:19:46 2014
14:53	mats_cd03	people in here take themselves too seriously
14:53	ben_vulpes	i'm just curious yo
14:53	mats_cd03	not you. just in general.
14:54	ben_vulpes	b-a: srs bzns
14:54	jurov	and they use to relieve themselves before sleeping. news at 11
14:54	ben_vulpes	that's why bring .bait back
14:55	Adlai	Among the maxims on Lord Naoshige's wall, there was this one: "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly." Master Ittei commented, "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously."
14:55	ben_vulpes	pet the sweaty things and don't sweat the petty things?
14:56	mats_cd03	thats disgusting mate
14:56	jurov	and then matters one should not concern with at all.. you know
14:56	ben_vulpes	like warrant transfer :P
14:56	mircea_popescu	fuck them ?
14:57	ben_vulpes	petting generally leads to fucking
14:57	thickasthieves	i hope you dont have pets
14:57	ben_vulpes	sweaty petting
14:57	ben_vulpes	i pet who i want thickasthieves
14:58	ben_vulpes	who/what
14:58	mats_cd03	;;later tell asciilifeform did this thing ever go anywhere? https://web.archive.org/web/20121025034812/http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
14:58	gribble	The operation succeeded.
15:00	Adlai	gribble: you keep using that tense, but i'm not sure it means what you think it does
15:01	mircea_popescu	lol
15:02	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19ZNK70.txt )
15:02	BingoBoingo	!b 3
15:05	diametric	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router vs http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-2014-300Mbps-WT3020A-Multiprotocol-Portable-Mini-WIFI-Router-with-USB-data-line-Wireless-Router-wi/1691403728.html
15:05	assbot	anonabox : a Tor hardware router by August Germar — Kickstarter
15:05	assbot	New 2014 300Mbps WT3020A Multiprotocol Portable Mini WIFI Router with USB data line Wireless Router wi fi Free Shipping-in Wireless Routers from Electronics on Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group
15:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10695 @ 0.00073993 = 7.9136 BTC [+] {2}
15:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22105 @ 0.00074008 = 16.3595 BTC [+] {2}
15:06	kakobrekla	ah
15:06	kakobrekla	i see its now 600k out of 7.5k goal
15:06	diametric	theres a shill in the ks comments
15:06	diametric	thats hilarious
15:06	mircea_popescu	no bad idea ever went unrewqarded.
15:07	kakobrekla	mine mostly did.
15:07	mircea_popescu	weren't really all that bad maybe ?
15:08	kakobrekla	color me suprised.
15:09	kakobrekla	that was brief.
15:09	bounce	why do I get the feeling that gaming kickstarter is its own business model?
15:10	kakobrekla	imagine doing that and then actually doing something smart with the money.
15:10	bounce	like what, running?
15:10	diametric	!up ascii_on_tour
15:11	kakobrekla	running is smart if you need some exercise.
15:11	ascii_on_tour	yoga 2 << that was the box with the evil lcd
15:11	mircea_popescu	bounce cause it is ?
15:11	ascii_on_tour	that i mentioned a few days ago
15:13	ascii_on_tour	5210 x 2880 << that's one of the mac-with-lcd combo boxes, so extra $1k for comp that i haven't any use for. but i'm told that one can plug in an external cable.
15:13	thickasthieves	thunderbolt only tho
15:14	ascii_on_tour	kickstarter scam << actual scam. quite like if i were to ship a repainted 'raspberry' as cardano
15:14	ascii_on_tour	and 600k! i could build six planets.
15:17	BingoBoingo	;;ticker
15:18	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.75, Best ask: 375.96, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 374.74, 24 hour volume: 19526.71241981, 24 hour low: 371.84, 24 hour high: 399.0, 24 hour vwap: 384.202633642
15:20	kakobrekla	hm, would those plants be near earth?
15:20	ascii_on_tour	and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back?
15:21	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SP4G82.txt )
15:21	BingoBoingo	!b 1
15:23	kakobrekla	i mean, 100k a planet, somewhere between earth and mars... id move.
15:26	ascii_on_tour	600k even almost suffices for escape velocity.
15:30	mats_cd03	i cackled when i saw the 600k figure
15:31	mats_cd03	ascii_on_tour: have you seen this thing/did it ever go anywhere? https://web.archive.org/web/20121025034812/http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
15:31	ascii_on_tour	mats_cd03: afaik no
15:31	ascii_on_tour	mats_cd03: and for reasons discussed earlier
15:31	ascii_on_tour	!s xilinx
15:31	assbot	38 results for 'xilinx' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xilinx
15:32	ascii_on_tour	!s fpga evolve
15:32	assbot	1 results for 'fpga evolve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fpga+evolve
15:33	ascii_on_tour	!s xc6216
15:33	assbot	3 results for 'xc6216' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=xc6216
15:33	ascii_on_tour	^ there.
15:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00073976 = 17.192 BTC [-] {2}
15:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11597 @ 0.00074034 = 8.5857 BTC [+]
15:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00074053 = 7.2572 BTC [+] {2}
15:41	TomServo	!up ascii_on_tour
15:41	ascii_on_tour	TomServo: ty
15:41	xanthyos	http://www.mtv.com/videos/beavis-and-butt-head-season-9-ep-12-whorehouse-going-down/1676256/playlist.jhtml
15:41	assbot	Whorehouse / Going Down | Ep. 912 | Beavis and Butt-Head | Full Episode Video | MTV
15:43	mats_cd03	hm. thanks.
15:44	mats_cd03	you will see a tell later when you identify as alf.
15:44	ascii_on_tour	ks << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2014#752679
15:44	assbot	Logged on 11-07-2014 19:49:38; asciilifeform: the people who did that kickstart, for instance, are separated from their true motherland - the uranium mines - for so long as the money lasts them.
15:44	kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
15:44	assbot	Turbo Encabulator - YouTube
15:44	kakobrekla	kickstart the above ^^
15:44	ascii_on_tour	^ ???
15:44	ascii_on_tour	??
15:45	ascii_on_tour	aha
15:45	BingoBoingo	http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/cdc-ebola/
15:45	assbot	CDC Releases Revised Ebola Management Policy for Healthcare Workers: Just Burn Everything - GomerBlog
15:45	kakobrekla	its a good vid.
15:49	BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Where can I get encabulator?
15:49	thestringpuller	+mircea_popescu ;;seen smickles << He's on Steam sometimes and we have been meaning to play some games. Must feel good to be retired.
15:49	kakobrekla	maybe this guy will tell you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjcJp_Nwvk
15:49	assbot	Rockwell Turbo Encabulator Version 2 - YouTube
15:50	BingoBoingo	Oh shit!
16:00	cazalla	frb, are you the dude in the wheelchair?
16:00	cazalla	or maybe that is the 7chan guy
16:01	BingoBoingo	!up r3wt
16:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00073726 = 3.2439 BTC [-]
16:01	r3wt	Bingo Boingo: still authenticating
16:01	BingoBoingo	K
16:01	BingoBoingo	!down r3wt
16:02	BingoBoingo	SHould be able to self !up then
16:02	bounce	"new computer insensitive catalog no." -- we need more of those
16:03	BingoBoingo	%d
16:03	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 325881.43 in 107 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.65
16:07	ben_vulpes	no more penguirker either, eh
16:07	ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-group-first-bitcoin-ipo/
16:07	assbot	Bitcoin Group Seeks to Launch World's First Bitcoin IPO
16:08	cazalla	mircea_popescu: https://8chan.co/player.php?v=/loli/src/1413326714301-1.webm&t=animated.webm&loop=1 << this is probably the most nsfa thing i've seen this month. <<< time to zero hdd
16:08	assbot	animated.webm
16:09	thestringpuller	misleading title
16:09	thestringpuller	"First Bitcoin IPO"
16:09	ascii_on_tour	no more penguirker either << wait what ?
16:09	thestringpuller	/msg ben_vulpes congrats on WinkDex
16:09	thestringpuller	NO
16:11	BingoBoingo	!up ascii_on_tour
16:11	ascii_on_tour	BingoBoingo: ty
16:11	BingoBoingo	ascii_on_tour: How goes the tour?
16:13	BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jg38k/today_i_lost_my_only_bitcoin/
16:13	assbot	Today i lost my only bitcoin :( : Bitcoin
16:14	ascii_on_tour	what's the deal with pankkake ?
16:14	thestringpuller	ascii_on_tour he gave up
16:14	ascii_on_tour	gave up what ?
16:14	ascii_on_tour	smoking ?
16:15	thestringpuller	good question
16:16	bounce	they've started closing accounts? their "final notice" promises 28 days, presumably from the 16th onward
16:17	r3wt	shibby
16:20	ascii_on_tour	gave up << reminds me of a convo i once had with brother. me: 'worked all day trying to fix [car], and so bitten by mosquitoes that eventually surrendered.' — he: 'surrendered to mosquitoes?'
16:20	thestringpuller	ascii_on_tour: what would he have said if you said 'surrendered to the car'
16:21	BingoBoingo	Surrendered to mosquitoes and car it seems
16:21	ascii_on_tour	picture unconditional capitulation to - mosquitoes.
16:21	thestringpuller	they are your new overlords
16:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0007353 = 6.2868 BTC [-] {2}
16:22	bounce	guess we'll have to learn to like mosquito soup then
16:23	r3wt	can i get mine with a side of malaria?
16:23	bounce	that's seasoning
16:24	cazalla	mircea_popescu, http://dpaste.com/259T414 BingoBoingo ty for help
16:24	assbot	dpaste: 259T414: I love you Ebola-chan!
16:27	mats_cd03	pankkake will be bewildered upon return and receiving 300 messages about various things
16:27	cazalla	oh look, qntra is up
16:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00073505 = 11.0993 BTC [-] {2}
16:28	mats_cd03	i imagine a fair bit of you have numerous portable screens of all sizes
16:29	thestringpuller	cazalla: giving me false hope :(
16:29	mats_cd03	i'm in the market for something to read technical ebooks. sometimes with color. recommendations?
16:29	thestringpuller	"Google Chrome's connection attempt to qntra.net was rejected. The website may be down, or your network may not be properly configured."
16:29	thestringpuller	;;isdown qntra.net
16:29	gribble	Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
16:29	thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net
16:30	gribble	qntra.net is up
16:30	thestringpuller	weird
16:31	mats_cd03	there r too many options. kobo, kindle, kindle voyage, windows and android assorted tablets...
16:36	thestringpuller	mats_cd03: kindle doesn't hurt your eyes with the e-paper
16:38	cazalla	a little clip on light is useful for kindle too
16:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26974 @ 0.00073499 = 19.8256 BTC [-]
16:39	cazalla	just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on
16:40	kakobrekla	http://images.eurogamer.net/modojo.com/features/199/lightmagnifier.jpg
16:40	kakobrekla	hehe
16:42	BingoBoingo	I had one of those devices
16:43	kakobrekla	me too.
16:49	BingoBoingo	!up chalbersma
16:54	BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstamps-unverified-accounts-to-be-closed-balances-to-regulators/
16:54	assbot	BitStamps: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | Qntra.net
16:55	kakobrekla	i told you they were assholes when we klined them from freenode in 2012 or whatever
16:57	Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, typo "and inists they"
16:57	BingoBoingo	fxd
16:59	BingoBoingo	https://gpgtools.org/news
16:59	assbot	GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love
17:02	bounce	re kool aid / small identity: "taxpayer" is apparently a big part of many people's identity
17:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00073499 = 1.0657 BTC [-]
17:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00073452 = 12.4134 BTC [-] {2}
17:11	Apocalyptic	pankkake is back guys
17:11	Apocalyptic	at #paymium at least
17:12	ben_vulpes	is that davout's thing?
17:13	ben_vulpes	ayup
17:18	ThickAsThieves	he could at least make his case ova hea
17:19	Apocalyptic	he has a case ?
17:19	ThickAsThieves	well not exactly
17:20	ThickAsThieves	but i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering whats up
17:20	Apocalyptic	i'm not up to speed with what happened to him
17:21	ThickAsThieves	he abandoned the blogfeed and such, said do it urself
17:21	ThickAsThieves	and he told pete he's stupid
17:21	ThickAsThieves	draaaaaaaa ma
17:21	mats_cd03	heh
17:23	ben_vulpes	obvious distancing job is obvious
17:23	ben_vulpes	winter is coming
17:23	dub	;;ud distance job
17:23	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Long%20Distance%20Relationship | Having a relationship, even though it is long-distance. You may not get ... still with Ashley? Him: Yeah, we're trying to make our long-distance relationship work.
17:25	BingoBoingo	http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Code_Quality
17:25	assbot	Code Quality - OpenSSLWiki
17:25	kakobrekla	probably to no-ones surprise at this point, the pressure on bistamp is coming from usss this time.
17:25	mats_cd03	treasury?
17:26	mats_cd03	> us secret service
17:26	bounce	they're wording it like they like it ("our policies") and reportedly they're starting with the thef^Wconfiscating a month early
17:26	BingoBoingo	USSA low on coins to short?
17:27	kakobrekla	thats all i got atm.
17:28	ben_vulpes	<BingoBoingo> USSA low on coins to short? << so drama
17:29	mike_c	any word on who the "regulators" are that will get those coins?
17:29	Adlai	aren't bitstamp registered in UK now?
17:29	kakobrekla	idk and i suspekt it wont be public
17:29	Apocalyptic	<Adlai> aren't bitstamp registered in UK now? // they are for some time now
17:29	bounce	somewhere down the line you may find they have very well-regulated pockets
17:29	Apocalyptic	but afaik Nejc & co are still in Slovenia, as is the bank
17:30	kakobrekla	let them stupid videos of how usg has no fucking clue be public and be broadcasted even live
17:30	kakobrekla	but lets not tell the bid price for them coins.
17:30	kakobrekla	ever.
17:30	Adlai	right, but the regulatory agency which gets the confiscated funds is probably the one in the jurisdiction where the corp is registered
17:33	ben_vulpes	how would anyone in here know
17:33	BingoBoingo	Regulatory agency that gets coins is probably the one that complains loudest
17:33	kakobrekla	i can see how usg will want at least usg customers coins
17:33	kakobrekla	or those who have visited usg
17:33	kakobrekla	or looked at it
17:34	bounce	or used a computer network with connections to usg at some point in their lives
17:34	jurov	grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases?
17:35	kakobrekla	fix your hosts?
17:35	dub	wat
17:35	jurov	maybe i can donate some myself?
17:35	jurov	kakobrekla it's not my hosts, it's rela dns cache
17:35	jurov	*real
17:35	bounce	drop the cache?
17:35	kakobrekla	use hidemyass or smth?
17:36	kakobrekla	inbrowser proxy
17:36	jurov	*rolls eyes* tell that to erveryone who wants to read qntra and cannot
17:37	Adlai	qntra.net works perfectly over tor
17:37	bounce	qntra.net has address 206.190.153.228
17:37	bounce	did you force dns over tor too then?
17:38	jurov	ikr? google dns does it right
17:38	Adlai	tbb
17:38	jurov	but my damn isp and many others dutifully cache it till the ttl expire
17:39	jurov	so at least decrease the ttl pls if you expect such shenanigans in future
17:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4701 @ 0.00073439 = 3.4524 BTC [-]
17:44	jurov	yes i'm a bitch sometimnes. but altdomains can be handy. next someone hacks qntra.net's godaddy acct
17:45	bounce	hax!
17:46	mircea_popescu	ascii_on_tour> and the tor gizmo scam being exposed, will 'wired' et al. make the sc4mz0r give the free publicity back? << "free publicity" only worth something on soem chains
17:49	mircea_popescu	cazalla> just so you can avoid that "can you turn your lamp off, i'm trying to sleep", "i'm fucking reading, roll over" bullshit that goes on <<< jesus non-tpe relaitonships must suck
17:50	mircea_popescu	nanotube perhaps it's also time to move ;;ticker defaults from bitstamp to something less scammy.
17:51	mircea_popescu	<kakobrekla> idk and i suspekt it wont be public << course it will be. they'll respond to the foia requests a month after the one month legal term. seriously. promise.
17:51	mircea_popescu	it is after all a real state they got over there, not some sort of fourth reich or anything.
17:52	mircea_popescu	<jurov> grrrr, qntra.net still 127.0.0.1 here .. gyus, what about adding qntra.co, qntra.ws, etc... for such cases? << i dunno how this would help anything ?
17:52	mircea_popescu	a cache can be fucked up for an arbitrary number of entries as well as for a single one.
17:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00073733 = 2.6175 BTC [+]
17:54	mircea_popescu	but anyway, yes. they're out, and have a lot to repay now, our good friends in washington.
17:54	mircea_popescu	and if the price runs up, someone will have a lot of splaining to do, as ot where all the millions went.
17:55	mircea_popescu	someone who really is too fucktarded and arrogant to understand what a negligible quantity he actually is.
17:55	mircea_popescu	so... yeah.
17:57	thestringpuller	flush da dns cache
17:59	Adlai	d-d-d-drop da cache
17:59	mircea_popescu	lol
17:59	Adlai	(in this cache, 'cache' is pronounced to rhyme with 'face', as sean connery would pronounce it)
17:59	ThickAsThieves	i'd vote for bitfinex or btcchina for ;;ticker price ... it's slim pickins. I guess coinbase might even be valid.
18:00	mircea_popescu	bitfinex is a scam.
18:00	mircea_popescu	i guess yeah, there's just no way huh.
18:00	mircea_popescu	was bound to happen eventually.
18:00	BigBitz	bfx is a scam now?
18:01	mircea_popescu	now ?
18:01	mircea_popescu	when wasn;'t it.
18:01	Adlai	scam or just a bunch of incompetents?
18:01	ThickAsThieves	i partly suggest them because of my observation of price and which exchanges veer off the most
18:01	BigBitz	some definition required I think mircea_popescu.
18:01	ThickAsThieves	i'm thinking coinbase might be best now
18:01	mircea_popescu	BigBitz just because you don't bother to keep up ? https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=140484.0
18:01	assbot	MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so. | Bitcointa.lk
18:01	ThickAsThieves	since it's only one without tricks
18:01	ThickAsThieves	no orderbook, no leverage
18:02	ThickAsThieves	no margin
18:02	ThickAsThieves	no swaps
18:02	BigBitz	mircea_popescu I've not been around.
18:02	mircea_popescu	yeah, "the one which was a usg front openly and from day one, totally legit"
18:02	mircea_popescu	BigBitz not since feb 2013 ?!
18:02	mircea_popescu	how do you know it even exists then.
18:02	BigBitz	is it because they use Bitconica code? :)
18:02	BigBitz	Have some sentiment...
18:02	BigBitz	You're better than that.
18:02	mircea_popescu	no sentiments here.
18:03	BigBitz	So they're a scam as they use shitty code?
18:03	ThickAsThieves	i see nothing in this post about usg
18:03	BigBitz	or they're a scam as they're stealing coins?
18:03	Adlai	please take sentimentality to #bitcoin-sentiment
18:03	mircea_popescu	they're a scam because the people in charge steal and lie.
18:03	mircea_popescu	it's how this thing called scamming works.
18:03	BigBitz	OK so how do they steal / lie ?
18:03	BigBitz	( I have some coins there, I'm intrigued ;) )
18:03	Adlai	for one thing, they're offering this fishy mining contract as a "beta" but taking real money for it
18:03	mircea_popescu	some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in puiblic)
18:04	mircea_popescu	and in general, you can't merit-wash a scammer with money.
18:04	BigBitz	I admit their use of Bitconica code is that of retards.
18:04	mircea_popescu	i don't care who thinks he wants to try.
18:04	BigBitz	BUT... being stupid doesn't a scammer make.
18:04	mircea_popescu	orly.
18:04	BigBitz	yarly.
18:04	BigBitz	stupidity != scammer.
18:04	ThickAsThieves	they claim bitcoinica code was replaced long ago
18:04	BigBitz	scammer may be stupid, sure.
18:04	bounce	no wai!
18:04	BigBitz	wai wai wai !
18:04	mircea_popescu	i guess you missed out on a lot of discussion.
18:05	mircea_popescu	best catch up ?
18:05	bounce	o snap
18:05	BigBitz	mircea_popescu if that's your rationale then how can I argue...
18:05	BigBitz	Those stone cold facts.
18:05	mircea_popescu	who said anything about arguing ?
18:05	BigBitz	ALL OF THE DETAIL.
18:05	BigBitz	Well, debate, question, learn, whatever.
18:05	mircea_popescu	best way to learn is through reading the log.
18:06	BigBitz	Let's move on then. Since you can't articulate.
18:06	kakobrekla	BigBitz stupid people do stupid things. you dont want to expose your coins to stupid behavior.
18:06	BigBitz	kakobrekla sure, I agree with that wholly.
18:06	BigBitz	but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers.
18:06	Adlai	btw when you say "spend 6-12mo reading #b-a logs", do you mean read that many months of logs, or spend that many months studying logs?
18:06	mircea_popescu	so you can't agree.
18:06	mircea_popescu	who are you again and why would i care or w/e.
18:06	BigBitz	agree, sure.
18:06	BigBitz	hah don't high horse on me mircea_popescu.
18:07	kakobrekla	Adlai depends how fast you can read :)
18:07	mircea_popescu	dude look here : i agree that your stupidity does not make YOU a scammer.
18:07	mircea_popescu	you're jsut some derpy dude with nary a clue left around since the early days
18:07	BigBitz	lol
18:07	mircea_popescu	back when bitcoin took just aobut anyone
18:07	mircea_popescu	but that does nothing for your derpy "arguings" or w/e you think they are.
18:07	BigBitz	I'm not an early day Bitcoiner.
18:08	BigBitz	but you knew that, right?
18:08	BigBitz	since, you KNOW ALL ?
18:08	kakobrekla	<BigBitz> but I can't argee that stupid people are instantly scammers. < so, it takes some time. are you going to wait for it?
18:08	BigBitz	kakobrekla well that's why I was asking. Feel free to educate me as to how they're inclined to scam.
18:08	kakobrekla	by being stupid.
18:08	BigBitz	I did say "I have some coins there"
18:08	thestringpuller	i'd move those coins
18:08	ThickAsThieves	i'd say that 12-18mos of logs is probly the requirment now, the discourse hasnt been as dense this year
18:08	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves or maybe the same six months or who knows.
18:09	bounce	probably need to compile a couple dossiers. where's the intern?
18:09	mircea_popescu	truth be told time is working against us on that score, we will have to somehow create a compendium
18:09	ThickAsThieves	yeah i think reading 2013 would be great
18:09	BigBitz	I'm happy to move them - I just like to knoe some information/detail.
18:09	kakobrekla	BigBitz anyway best you keep them coins there so we can find out.
18:09	bounce	mpoe-pr was a handy-dandy reference, at that
18:09	BigBitz	Not "because mircea_popescu says so"
18:09	mircea_popescu	BigBitz looky, either you do your own research or you follow someone
18:09	BigBitz	using any exchange is exposure, sure.
18:10	mircea_popescu	there's no middle road.
18:10	BigBitz	mircea_popescu I am happy to follow; but some context is always good.
18:10	BigBitz	ie; some sort of 'rationale'
18:10	kakobrekla	follow bfx users why not them
18:10	*	Adlai thinks improved history searching tools are better than requiring newbs to read up, since they can also serve forgetful veterans
18:10	mircea_popescu	"<mircea_popescu> some derp pounced on some code he had no rights on, then had a public split with one of his co -conspirators (also well documented in public)"
18:11	BigBitz	yeah mircea_popescu, I know that, but they claim (liars, potentially) that code is non-existant on their platform now.
18:11	mircea_popescu	Adlai the thing is, the way the search is organised now, you click on the finds and it gives you the day's context
18:11	mircea_popescu	it's perhaps not ideal, but a workable substitute
18:11	mircea_popescu	BigBitz so why is that relevant ?
18:11	ThickAsThieves	bigbitz, i think the point is they were conspitors in the first place
18:11	ThickAsThieves	so whats that story?
18:11	BigBitz	ThickAsThieves sure.
18:11	thestringpuller	!up ninja_alt
18:11	mircea_popescu	"don't worry about fucking me, it's true i raped a girl last week but i washed all the blood off my cock so should be ok"
18:12	BigBitz	mircea_popescu I just like to know.
18:12	ThickAsThieves	!down ninja_alt
18:12	BigBitz	anyways... clearly there is no sane argument in reference to that, so, what's todays hot topic, mircea_popescu.
18:12	mircea_popescu	...
18:13	mircea_popescu	i love density, srsly. what's not a sane argument ?
18:13	ThickAsThieves	bigbitz=pankkake=ddos source! where's my cookie?
18:13	mircea_popescu	you admit they stole, but you claim they're not scammers because what again ?
18:13	Adlai	BigBitz: i volunteer to translate. "don't trust bitfinex with your money, because they're potentially unwitting scammers through a combination of fecklessness and incompetence"
18:13	kakobrekla	such variety. i want to get off this planet away from stupid people. BigBitz wants to give them money.
18:14	bounce	I hear there's an "Ark B" scheduled for launch in a bit. might wanna get on, eh?
18:14	BigBitz	:)
18:14	mircea_popescu	eh and go where.
18:14	kakobrekla	bullet is cheaper.
18:14	bounce	well, fly after that "Ark A" that's leading the way
18:14	Adlai	mircea_popescu: earth, of course
18:14	mircea_popescu	Adlai im curious, did you figure that out from context or did you do suupportive reading ?
18:14	Adlai	looks like you have some reading to do as well :P
18:15	mircea_popescu	the translation i mean.
18:15	BigBitz	I know they could be stupid by association.
18:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20050 @ 0.00073733 = 14.7835 BTC [+]
18:15	BigBitz	but it's better than the clusterfuck that is Bitstamp.
18:15	kakobrekla	leave britney alone!
18:15	kakobrekla	north bitstamp is best bitstamp.
18:15	Apocalyptic	who's britney nao ?
18:15	mircea_popescu	yes, but this "republicans are better than democrats" bs is neither rational nor something to ever consider.
18:16	BigBitz	Bitstamp is Best stamp.
18:16	BigBitz	mircea_popescu: I agree.
18:16	BigBitz	but I can't day trade on thin air.
18:16	kakobrekla	BigBitz what did you think of btstp 2 years ago?
18:16	mircea_popescu	so you know, just because they're not quite as feckless as bitstamp, what's that do for anyone.
18:16	Adlai	mircea_popescu: context. BigBitz seems to have a different definition of "scammer" than the rest of the channel
18:16	mircea_popescu	Adlai well it's pretty good at any rate.
18:17	BigBitz	I have a very defined view of a scammer.
18:17	ThickAsThieves	ftr i dont classify bfx as scammers
18:17	BigBitz	mircea_popescu less feckless is less feckless.
18:17	ThickAsThieves	i wont leave coin there if i'm not playing tho
18:17	BigBitz	ThickAsThieves which is a sensible view/action.
18:17	mircea_popescu	i don't envy you ppl trying to trade your cross or anything.
18:18	BigBitz	mircea_popescu I just trade for fun. Nothing fancy. Bitcoin doesn't have place for TA :)
18:18	nanotube	mircea_popescu: why is bitstamp scammy? also, is there anything out there less scammy with non-piddling volume?
18:18	ThickAsThieves	nanotube, how bout coinbase?
18:18	mircea_popescu	nanotube well the recent "We will steal user's btc and deliver it to the usss" stuff is pretty much fucking the goat.
18:18	BigBitz	coinbase isn't an exchange, though, ThickAsThieves.
18:18	mircea_popescu	but you have a point, no alternatives emerge ;/
18:18	ThickAsThieves	exactly
18:18	BigBitz	It's a marketplace.
18:18	ThickAsThieves	thats why
18:19	ThickAsThieves	they have to live on top of the exchanges
18:19	nanotube	mircea_popescu: got link to that former bit?
18:19	ThickAsThieves	might be more reliable price
18:19	BigBitz	shouldn't an indiciator of price ie; a ticker show an Exchange.
18:19	kakobrekla	there is no place for an honest exchange
18:19	BigBitz	kakobrekla I strongly disagree.
18:19	BigBitz	very strongly.
18:19	bounce	the chinese aren't more reliable, are they?
18:19	BigBitz	There is plently of room/place for an honest Exchange.
18:19	kakobrekla	BigBitz you can strongly anything.
18:19	BigBitz	It's exactly what Bitcoin needs.
18:19	Apocalyptic	<kakobrekla> there is no place for an honest exchange // i'm beginning to think that way as well
18:19	ThickAsThieves	this cant go anywhere
18:19	mircea_popescu	nanotube http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitstamps-unverified-accounts-to-be-closed-balances-to-regulators/
18:19	assbot	BitStamp: Unverified Accounts to be Closed, Balances to Regulators | Qntra.net
18:19	ThickAsThieves	no exchange is decentralized
18:19	ThickAsThieves	this none can be trusted
18:19	ThickAsThieves	thus
18:20	BigBitz	An Exchange by definitation cannot be de-centralized.
18:20	BigBitz	It's not an Exchange then.
18:20	mircea_popescu	<bounce> the chinese aren't more reliable, are they? <<< we don't fucking know.
18:20	BigBitz	P2P Exchanges aren't Exchanges.
18:20	ThickAsThieves	only chinese exchange i'd consider is btcchina
18:20	Apocalyptic	the regulation burden is driving away those with the potential to do it right
18:20	bounce	well, sure. but you'd first need a jurisdiction that does away with the AML/KYC CYA BS and then you need a bunch with clue running the exchange
18:21	BigBitz	The Banking platform is the issue.
18:21	ThickAsThieves	what price is otc using these days?
18:21	mircea_popescu	god only knows.
18:21	ThickAsThieves	whatever gribble serves?
18:21	bounce	likely. peruse the order book?
18:21	ThickAsThieves	meh
18:21	Apocalyptic	depends on the individuals obviously TAT
18:21	BigBitz	buyer vs seller, ThickAsThieves.
18:21	BigBitz	like all OTC :)
18:22	BigBitz	some may pay +5% some may pay last.
18:22	mircea_popescu	most otc volume is repo anyway
18:22	kakobrekla	bounce the majority of people think regulation is cool until they get fucked.
18:22	ThickAsThieves	same for nonregulation ;)
18:22	mircea_popescu	derpy web based exchanges figure into it pretty much not at all.
18:23	nanotube	mircea_popescu: i see. i'd venture to guess they are not doing that voluntarily, so 'scam' is not quite the right word.
18:23	ThickAsThieves	semantics
18:23	mircea_popescu	they made their choice. between bitcoin and fiat they chose fiat
18:23	bounce	sure. hence the need for people understanding regulation running the exchange in a jurisdiction that doesn't force them to fuck over the customers
18:23	mircea_popescu	good for them but why should we care.
18:23	nanotube	(also thanks for the link :) )
18:23	ThickAsThieves	mp if they dont choose fiat, they arent an exchange
18:23	mircea_popescu	sure.
18:23	ThickAsThieves	unles you wanna do altcoins exchange
18:23	Apocalyptic	bounce, by definition regulation does fuck everyone: operators and customers alike
18:24	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i agree the art of dancing with goats is necessary if you agree it doesn't include fucking them.
18:24	bounce	that's a bit of a non-argument, you ought to know this
18:24	mircea_popescu	hm ?
18:24	bounce	nah, apocalyptic
18:25	BigBitz	dat Tor node.
18:25	Apocalyptic	bounce, how so ?
18:25	kakobrekla	<ThickAsThieves> same for nonregulation ;) < thats for different reasons
18:25	mircea_popescu	BigBitz lol. "o no, tor is anon" lol
18:25	Apocalyptic	the only one benefitting of the regulation is that narrow class of people who impose/enforce it
18:25	ThickAsThieves	reasons nonetheless
18:25	BigBitz	mircea_popescu wut.
18:26	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic is this true of regulation say, b-a voice ?
18:26	mircea_popescu	BigBitz dat tor node.
18:26	bounce	consider the situation. stamp is being forced to "KYC", but they're taking it to eleven of their own volition. the problem then is twofold: they should know better than that and the forcing needs to go.
18:26	BigBitz	lol mircea_popescu :)
18:26	ThickAsThieves	first off let's be fair, stamp has been warning about kyc for like a year
18:26	mircea_popescu	bounce nobody is forcing anyone to anything.
18:26	mircea_popescu	it's all a "deal"
18:26	mircea_popescu	as idiots understand dealmaking.
18:26	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, I don't regard the b-a voice system as a regulation mecanism
18:26	ThickAsThieves	theyre just cleaning house
18:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves and they have been warned that if they do do it, they're fucked.
18:27	mircea_popescu	also for a year.
18:27	mircea_popescu	what's unfair here ?
18:27	ThickAsThieves	nothing
18:27	ThickAsThieves	i dont care about stamp
18:27	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic well but i mean, then obama doesn't regard executive orders as regulation mechanisms.
18:27	mircea_popescu	i mean what's in a regard.
18:27	ThickAsThieves	the only thing i dont like in this
18:27	ThickAsThieves	i smoney going to regulators
18:27	mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nah, that's the least bad part in all this
18:27	ThickAsThieves	the rest is whatevs
18:28	mircea_popescu	they're rich but stupid, and their nose is way too up
18:28	mircea_popescu	what they'll do is bundle it with a ton more dollars and make us another gift down the road
18:28	mircea_popescu	this is welcome.
18:28	ThickAsThieves	i need two things, a place to trade and a place to cash out
18:28	ThickAsThieves	dont have to be same place
18:28	mircea_popescu	!up chetty
18:28	chetty	http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/16/obama-ebola-reserves/17363251/
18:28	assbot	Obama may call on reserves to deal with Ebola in Africa
18:28	chetty	ty
18:28	mircea_popescu	lol that's gonna be riotous
18:29	ThickAsThieves	canada gon gut some visitors
18:29	ThickAsThieves	get
18:29	chetty	yeah, danged if I would go.
18:29	mircea_popescu	who wouldn't want to go into the world's arsehole to deal with a contagious viral disease that makes you puke blood ?!
18:29	ThickAsThieves	who would honestly go to ebola ground zero for obama?
18:29	chetty	(fortunately I am out of range now)
18:29	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, I'm not sure I get this, do you consider the b-a voice system as such ?
18:30	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic well, it oppresses some people, right ?
18:30	ThickAsThieves	is all induced friction a regulation?
18:30	mircea_popescu	that's what rules are. the means to oppression.
18:30	chetty	ready reserve ...all them folks that recnetly got out ..oh yeah thats gonna work
18:30	bounce	where're those reserves gonna be deployed?
18:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20632 @ 0.00074019 = 15.2716 BTC [+] {2}
18:30	mircea_popescu	chetty do they get shot if they don't show up or how does it work ?
18:31	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, it does indeed
18:31	chetty	beats me, I knew it was possible but I never saw it done before
18:31	bounce	4k people, so probably all specialists. they're calling dibs well in advance, then.
18:32	chetty	like all them navy chiefs they just forced out ..
18:32	bounce	eh?
18:33	mircea_popescu	t5his would be the army no ?
18:33	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, so your point is that regulation can be suitable on a case by case basis ?
18:34	ThickAsThieves	all regulation causes some harm
18:34	mircea_popescu	my point is that regulation is an essential function of life. your homeostasis is the result of regulation.
18:34	ThickAsThieves	but it's a way to steer
18:34	mircea_popescu	the problem is that these days "regulation" is the name for the visible part of regulation
18:34	mircea_popescu	which is only visible because it diverges from nature.
18:34	mircea_popescu	which is why you think regulation = always bad.
18:34	mircea_popescu	yes, as implemented by socialists and in socialist states, it is always bad.
18:35	chetty	visible regulation tends to be contra nature, ie unworkable
18:36	kakobrekla	qntra now down again, or still ?
18:36	bounce	laws putting a punishment on murder count as "regulation", yet they're quite useful most of the time.
18:36	ThickAsThieves	i dunno, bringing nature into this gets shakey for me
18:36	ThickAsThieves	dafuck is nature
18:37	ThickAsThieves	everything we do is either totally or wholly unnatural
18:37	ThickAsThieves	sry
18:37	ThickAsThieves	opposites
18:37	chetty	nah, we all still breathe, and eat ..
18:37	ThickAsThieves	everything we do is either totally natural or wholly unnatural
18:38	bounce	then disregard it. the point is more that rules that "go with the flow" are less visible than rules that stand in the way and cause a diversion in the flow
18:38	thestringpuller	kakobrekla: qntra is up. check your dns records.
18:38	thestringpuller	if all else fails http://206.190.153.228
18:38	assbot	Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary
18:38	ThickAsThieves	i think its the wrong perspective, and namely that,
18:38	ThickAsThieves	it's a matter of perspective
18:39	ThickAsThieves	one man;s bad reg is another's good
18:39	ThickAsThieves	maybe third man points out both suck
18:39	ThickAsThieves	whatever
18:39	ThickAsThieves	it's a thing, there's no bent to it
18:40	bounce	welcome to the united states of whatever
18:40	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, i'll quote some trilema here : http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/
18:40	assbot	Regulation for our lord Regulos pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
18:40	ThickAsThieves	as the monster gets bigger, it gets less agile
18:40	Apocalyptic	"Principally, regulation seeps in where people don’t care."
18:40	ThickAsThieves	thats all
18:40	bounce	says who?
18:41	bounce	tat, you've successfully abstracted all meaning out of the meandering. that's maybe not entirely useful.
18:41	chetty	hmm seems to me it is trampling in all over, where people do care.
18:41	ThickAsThieves	i think i was proving there wasnt so much depth there in the first place
18:41	ThickAsThieves	everyone was attaching bias to all aspects
18:41	ThickAsThieves	going nowhere
18:41	bounce	from you perhaps not. the nature of rules is quite deep and subtle, though.
18:42	Apocalyptic	more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked
18:44	ThickAsThieves	fwiw i wrote to nydfs today sharing some thoughts about why they should ease up
18:44	chetty	"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets, and steal loaves of bread."
18:45	ThickAsThieves	i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray
18:45	ThickAsThieves	not the reverse
18:46	bounce	que? that means they'll take all their pre-existing stupidity with them, something bitcoiners got into bitcoin for to avoid.
18:47	chetty	bounce, that could be pretty if we get to watch them get their teeth kicked in
18:47	dub	s/bitcoiners/libertards
18:47	bounce	like the SEC?
18:48	bounce	what'd you write to the nydfs?
18:50	ThickAsThieves	basically so banks can compete with coinbase or such
18:50	ThickAsThieves	right now legal depts wont guve oks
18:50	ThickAsThieves	give
18:50	bounce	got the text somewhere?
18:51	ThickAsThieves	yeah sec
18:51	ThickAsThieves	note i just sent it quickly off so youre gonna be mor epicky than i probly was
18:52	ThickAsThieves	"This regulation just won't work other than to give big institutions a way to feel safe getting into bitcoin services. That's fine, but the fact is that this is global, and money as a concept needs to change to be a private concern along with this. A centralized government should not try to impose its ideals on the world, it just can't work, will be expensive, and will ultimately hinder
18:52	ThickAsThieves	the US in transition to the new paradigm. Odds are that bitcoin, and the people in its regard, are a sovereign that no one nation can control.
18:52	ThickAsThieves	The crimes that may be committed with bitcoin are no different, and lesser, than those made with cash dollars, an area which our government has a lose grip on itself. These crimes are ultimately realized not when the money is laundered, but when that money is obtained. Those are the crimes to focus on. You can't hide a kidnapped child in a bitcoin, you can't make a bomb with a bitcoin,
18:52	ThickAsThieves	you can't steal with a bitcoin, and you can't smuggle drugs with a bitcoin.
18:52	ThickAsThieves	Please, take a step back and ask yourself, as a consumer and citizen, what you are really doing, who you are really protecting, and then consider the price that will be paid in privacy, freedom, and consumer value."
18:53	ThickAsThieves	crit!
18:57	bounce	sounds good. not that they'll listen; their motivation isn't the good of all, it's their own careers and coming up with regulation for this newfangled thing scores brownie points all over -- their own organisation, law enforcement, you name it. citizens? not important. so it only sounds good from the point of view of the important.
18:58	bounce	the reddit AMA of the ny financial regulation guy is enlightening in that respect
18:58	ThickAsThieves	sure, but i'm playing on the fact one human will read this
18:58	ThickAsThieves	not a machine
18:58	ThickAsThieves	The Fool, i know
18:58	bounce	might throw it out as an open letter to some large paper or other
18:59	ThickAsThieves	i think evoorhees has that high horse occupied
18:59	bounce	don't know until you try
19:09	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> one man;s bad reg is another's good <<< not a matter of man here. that's why nature. why would anyone's opinion count in this discussion ?
19:10	mircea_popescu	<Apocalyptic> more generally, the article as far as I understands it sheds a negative light on "regulation", as reminded by the Romanian footnote, it mainly results in you being fucked << it just makes the point that regulation is the stricture of death. which it is
19:10	mircea_popescu	(regulos is the god of death, in that game)
19:11	mircea_popescu	<ThickAsThieves> i think new regs on btc should amount to giving pre-existing institutions an avenue for entering the bitcoin fray << not helpful. the only helpful thing they can do is say "every financial institution of the fiat persuasion has six months to get mp's okay or lose its fiat license"
19:11	mircea_popescu	that's useful regulation. everything else, as useful as piss.
19:16	mircea_popescu	amusingly, the situation is exactly the reverse of churchill's "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war."
19:16	mircea_popescu	that time they figured the enemy is big and it may be placated. it didn't work, originally, so they had to do a 180 and fight the war.
19:17	mircea_popescu	this time they figure the enemy is small and it may be overrun. it won't work, and they'll have to do a 180 and suck the cock.
19:17	mircea_popescu	so this time, they're chosing war and will have dishonor.
19:17	thestringpuller	whose cock?
19:18	mircea_popescu	it's an abstraction.
19:18	mircea_popescu	no one actual cock could serve for this role, because it is to provide abject and complete humiliation.
19:18	thestringpuller	it's like constructing a hanging machine
19:18	asciilifeform	a telephone pole ought to work, as its equivalent did in past centuries.
19:19	thestringpuller	construct a giant cock for them to suck
19:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not really. pain and a painful death are actually honorable.
19:19	mircea_popescu	http://www.anyclip.com/movies/casino/gingers-end/ << something more like this.
19:19	assbot	Ginger's End from Casino | Anyclip
19:19	asciilifeform	eh that's a christian hallucination
19:19	asciilifeform	(the notion that any and all pain is honourable)
19:20	asciilifeform	every sane culture afaik has a humiliation+pain combo
19:20	asciilifeform	available for deserving clients.
19:20	mircea_popescu	i dun think so.
19:21	asciilifeform	jp had seppuku (honourable) but also haritsuke (look it up...)
19:21	mircea_popescu	if it were a hallucination it wouldn't be quite so evenly distributed ethnically and geographically.
19:21	mircea_popescu	sure, but the latter's an artifice.
19:22	*	asciilifeform realizes that one-size-fits-all humiliation is not optimal, probably needs to be custom per client, a la 'room 101.'
19:23	mircea_popescu	it's really self inflicted, that thing.
19:23	asciilifeform	yes. without the client's cooperation, not possible (as pictured in the book)
19:24	asciilifeform	but, usually he provides it.
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00073866 = 5.6877 BTC [-]
19:33	asciilifeform	afaik - some variant of gibbeting/outdoor starvation is mostly cross-cultural
19:33	asciilifeform	experts - comments ?
19:34	mircea_popescu	what, like stilpniki
19:34	asciilifeform	like the little binding post in the cloaca maxima
19:35	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stolpnik
19:35	assbot	Simeon Stolpnik - Wikipedia, slobodna enciklopedija - ,
19:35	asciilifeform	ah him
19:36	asciilifeform	afaik he was a volunteer
19:36	mircea_popescu	so aren't you ?
19:36	asciilifeform	lel
19:36	mircea_popescu	who isn't a volunteer ? obama and herr speer both are volunteers.
19:36	asciilifeform	didja mean herr canaris ?
19:37	mircea_popescu	the architect dude
19:37	mircea_popescu	you know, "the nazi that said sorry"
19:37	asciilifeform	aha yes
19:38	mircea_popescu	listend here in the sense of "people who volunteer both ways", nothing else. not meaning to imply speer had a quota degree or that obama can use the noggin
19:39	asciilifeform	we call that - приспособленец.
19:39	mircea_popescu	(incredible, incidentally, that people who supposedly invest resources into getting a degree aren't even bothering to mention the distinction between actual degrees and quota degrees)
19:40	mircea_popescu	it seems reasonable that any degree given to any "protected minority" by any university with a quota programme should be discounted.
19:40	nubbins`	ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец
19:40	mircea_popescu	rly ?!
19:40	nubbins`	no :(
19:40	asciilifeform	approximately 'adaptablefella'
19:40	nubbins`	i said "snofshanofshanof" to myself as i pasted it ;/
19:40	asciilifeform	aka, very roughly, turncoat, but with the implication of being a stinking little chameleon who never wants for anything regardless of who's on the throne
19:41	asciilifeform	by virtue of powerful cock-suction compressor
19:41	mats_cd03	o_O
19:42	nubbins`	mats_cd03 they sell em at princess auto
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19:42	BingoBoingo	!b 4
19:42	mircea_popescu	sell what ?!
19:42	BingoBoingo	cock suction compressors
19:43	nubbins`	^
19:43	nubbins`	POWERFIST brand
19:43	mats_cd03	i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once
19:43	nubbins`	nb, nb
19:43	mircea_popescu	o/O
19:43	nubbins`	for a bitcoin, or..?
19:44	mats_cd03	i was home alone and 11
19:44	ThickAsThieves	<+nubbins`> ah yes, every child here is taught the story of приспособленец /// lol
19:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20012 @ 0.00073743 = 14.7574 BTC [-] {2}
19:47	thestringpuller	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jf44p/bittrader_defunct/
19:47	assbot	Bit-trader defunct. : Bitcoin
19:48	kakobrekla	The hacker contacted me shortly after he took advantage of our holdings and demanded a ransom in order to transfer the coins back. I have agreed to a 25% ransom of the entire sum, but haven’t heard back from him for several days now.
19:48	kakobrekla	lol wat
19:48	asciilifeform	tale not built to be believed.
19:48	asciilifeform	it's a fuckyou
19:49	bounce	why even bother with the sob story? just vamoose already.
19:49	asciilifeform	probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear?
19:49	bounce	gather more funds to pay off the "robber"?
19:49	asciilifeform	perhaps the chumps can be fleeced yet more?
19:49	asciilifeform	^
19:50	kakobrekla	i thought you need to wait for recharge
19:50	jurov	"i'll return the booty if 25% more is raised"
19:50	jurov	i cant even...
19:51	kakobrekla	well it makes sense, you see 100+25-25=100
19:51	jurov	totally
19:54	asciilifeform	carnival trick, if i recall
19:54	asciilifeform	where chumpwheel operator offers a chance to 'win back' loss for $smallint
19:54	jurov	usg debt policy, too
19:55	asciilifeform	only so many basic mechanics for running chumpatron.
19:55	bounce	oh, there it is. it's not teh jooz, nor the big bankers, it's the carnies that're secretly running the usg!
19:55	jurov	aye it's one big fair
19:58	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> probe reaction? see if sympathetic idiots appear? <<< will be valuable in future, those.
19:59	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's the basic unified theory for all the sc4mz0rz who don't simply take the money&run, never to be heard of again
19:59	mircea_popescu	<jurov> aye it's one big fair << hence the preoccupation with "fairness"!!!11
19:59	mircea_popescu	shit boys, the plot's unraveled!
20:00	bounce	carnies guarding fairness. oh yes, brilliant plan.
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20:00	BingoBoingo	!b 8
20:02	mircea_popescu	"While preparing for the final audit results, a task we were working on for weeks now, our bitcoin wallet has been hacked and emptied, just after exchanging our fiat holdings within the exchanges to bitcoin and transferring our entire holdings to our wallet, in order to proof our solvency."
20:02	mircea_popescu	lol proof our read.
20:02	mircea_popescu	"It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors."
20:02	mircea_popescu	who the fuck is this schmuck anyway.
20:02	mircea_popescu	known fact, srsly ?!@
20:03	bounce	!s it are a fact
20:03	assbot	28 results for 'it are a fact' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=it+are+a+fact
20:04	bounce	wrong function. anyway. obviously a learned type.
20:05	mircea_popescu	a few dozen small and medium investors ? readding tarddit is funy at timmes
20:05	kakobrekla	small is sub 0.1 and medium is sub 1?
20:06	mircea_popescu	small is easily imagined and medium is like kinda not so easily
20:06	mircea_popescu	meanwhile big is pleasantly imagined
20:06	mircea_popescu	"Dear Sir, I have 100% of your money, please send me a quarter of this amount and then I will send the rest back to you, because logic."
20:06	mircea_popescu	lol
20:07	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> "It is a known fact that I personally opposed any proof of solvency, but agreed to conduct it for the sake of a few dozen small and medium investors." <<< "see what you guise made me do? seeya in six months with a new name!"
20:07	asciilifeform	i keep waiting for the 'we have your cat' scam
20:07	nubbins`	wait, six months is a long time
20:08	mircea_popescu	nubbins` well at least he wasn't you know, part of the cult of b-a or anything.
20:08	asciilifeform	ru invention afaik. knock on door, opens up, mesh bag with $animal, 'we have your $beast, pony up $sum.' father: 'we don't have a $beast...' kid: 'but so cute...111!'
20:08	thestringpuller	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393570.0
20:08	assbot	bitcoin-trader.biz
20:08	asciilifeform	btc variant: 'pony up $smallint so $cutegurl or the like can get her $bigint back'
20:09	mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/BTC_Trader << such an absolute typical ponzi.
20:09	assbot	John Carley (@BTC_Trader) | Twitter
20:09	mircea_popescu	0.8% a day, then "sysadmin will look into it"
20:10	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yup, pirate@40 round 2
20:10	asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2j9caq/anonabox_tor_router_box_is_false_representation << scamdal
20:10	assbot	Anonabox - Tor router box is false representation, possibly even scam! : privacy
20:10	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller from that link : "I found this site few days ago and bought mining shares, and have been getting 1.42% return every day. I'm using the returns to buy a smaller amount of trading shares. https://bitcoin-trader.biz/opportunities.php Full disclosure: I am not related to this site in any way, shape or form."
20:10	assbot	404 Not Found
20:10	mircea_popescu	yeah, totally.
20:11	asciilifeform	apparently complete with backdoor.
20:11	asciilifeform	(an elementary, hardcoded orifice)
20:11	mircea_popescu	"Hi, I have been using the site since mid December. You do have to be careful where you put your coins. The site has some . . . well, issues. A .biz suffix for one, but also they work out of the UK (trading stops on UK holidays) but are incorporated in Panama with no locational address or phyiscal contact method.
20:11	mircea_popescu	They also have glowing reviews from all over the world posted on their site after only a month of operation. It feels like trying too hard. That said, I did take a chance and invest some coins. I contacted them about my concerns (after I invested a few coins) and they were responsive and discussed things with me. Their backend is pretty sophisticated and you can withdraw your earnings at any time without fees. If it
20:11	mircea_popescu	is a scam, it's had a lot of work put into it. "
20:12	mircea_popescu	^ check out the sweet scent of chump
20:14	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I don't get why people are hating on the anonabox, why does it matter if they were using existing hardware?
20:14	mircea_popescu	"Ok i can't say how much i invested in total, i had shares worth $25k but i reinvested from daily earnings, wasn't so much i signed up in September...
20:14	mircea_popescu	Maybe it was $23k ?
20:14	mircea_popescu	Fact is they ran away with $25k from me, if it was reinvested or not doesn't matter really as they promised to make it from trading..."
20:14	asciilifeform	Azelphur: because elaborate public lie, complete with doctored photos and claims of openable source that physically cannot be fulfilled?
20:14	mircea_popescu	Azelphur apparently the existing hardware is the only part that works as advertised
20:14	Azelphur	heck, if I wanted to build something like the anonabox, that's exactly the way I would build it, find some cheap mass produced decent existing hardware, build decent software to run on it, and ship it out preconfigured
20:15	asciilifeform	Azelphur: because hardcoded backdoor?
20:15	Azelphur	oh right
20:15	Azelphur	carry on with the hating then :P
20:15	asciilifeform	Azelphur: because at least three waves of lie and denial?
20:15	Azelphur	I thought everyone was hating on it because it used the TP-Link board, xD
20:15	asciilifeform	now, a similar contraption was, if i recall, sold several years ago, but that makes abox merely boring.
20:16	asciilifeform	(and if you really wish for this, you can construct it yourself with scarcely any effort)
20:16	mircea_popescu	!up Yna
20:16	Azelphur	sure, I have no desire to purchase it I have a very nice OpenWRT router that I can do all the things with
20:16	asciilifeform	interestingly, if you load the 'kickstarter' page, you can see the chump counter dropping. very slowly.
20:16	Yna	:o
20:17	*	asciilifeform will not be the least bit surprised if the turdmeister walks out with his 1/2mil
20:17	mircea_popescu	Yna who're you and what do you seek
20:17	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'd be surprised if he didn't ?! how wouldn't he 1?
20:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if admins pull plug
20:18	mircea_popescu	eh.
20:18	Yna	I am a gambling addict that seeks somewhere to investment lock my remaining btc so I can have guaranteed growth (however small).
20:18	asciilifeform	or if the chumps pull out in the ~month they have left to do so
20:18	thestringpuller	even reddit hates em: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2je9ms/anonabox_scam_why_i_dont_trust_them/
20:18	assbot	Anonabox scam - Why I don't trust them! : technology
20:18	mircea_popescu	wait, this kickstarter thing is like, repudiable ?
20:18	mircea_popescu	ohohhhohoh
20:19	mircea_popescu	so then why the fuck do you ppl quote the numbers for.
20:19	asciilifeform	the numbers are a running ticker.
20:19	mircea_popescu	i can just go in there, plonk down 1mn for some project, then 25 days later cancel it ?
20:19	asciilifeform	afaik - yes.
20:19	kakobrekla	O_o
20:19	mircea_popescu	Yna so find a far out bitbet and send it there
20:19	asciilifeform	unless that makes it meet goal.
20:19	asciilifeform	then - no
20:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but this met goal.
20:19	*	asciilifeform rtfm-s
20:20	kakobrekla	Yna nothing is guaranteed
20:20	kakobrekla	cept scam.
20:20	Yna	That doesn't seem like a low rick investment
20:20	kakobrekla	scam is guaranteed.
20:20	Yna	risk
20:20	decimation	sounds more like another form of merit-washing to me
20:20	mircea_popescu	Yna how did "gambling adict" turn tro "low risk"
20:20	decimation	daddy mc warbucks puts $1 mil to 'prove' junior is a real businessman, etc
20:20	Yna	Again.
20:21	Yna	As I said I need to lock it somewhere
20:21	cazalla	mats_cd03: i put my dong in a vacuum cleaner attachment once <<< how about a belt sander?
20:21	kakobrekla	Yna get in the wot and ill take care of your coins for 1% a year.
20:21	asciilifeform	decimation: merit-washing, yes
20:21	asciilifeform	decimation: usually it's done in a more prestigious venue, though
20:21	kakobrekla	you pay ofc.
20:21	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform decimation not even, simple penny stock scam. you make "company", ask for 1.1 mn, i drop down 1mn, then withdraw it. you got the "social proof" and some money in the bank/
20:22	mircea_popescu	course this is illegal, except if you're a "revolutionary" ycombinator sort of scam.
20:22	bounce	and don't forget to supply lots of government-issued documents with pictures of you, for your own safety, of course. while I'm holding your coins. and running.
20:23	asciilifeform	seems like you can cancel up to 48hrs before end time
20:23	Yna	rt
20:23	Yna	er*
20:24	asciilifeform	http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/kickstarter-scammer-dupes-artist-by-withdrawing-pledged-amount-107963.html
20:24	mircea_popescu	!up undata
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20:24	undata	mircea_popescu: ty
20:25	mircea_popescu	sure! who're you ?
20:25	mircea_popescu	one day i'm gonna accidentally elide that quote and ask someone whore you?
20:25	asciilifeform	http://www.polygon.com/gaming/2012/6/27/3099051/backers-rights-what-kickstarter-funders-can-expect-when-they-pledge
20:25	assbot	Why Kickstarter 'can't' and won't protect backers once a project is funded | Polygon
20:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so there you have it then.
20:25	asciilifeform	some contradiction though.
20:26	mircea_popescu	it's flushed money, basically.
20:26	asciilifeform	'Kickstarter advisor and board member Sunny Bates doesn't deny the risks of pledging but argues the price of individual Kickstarter pledges is so low that even if fraud did rear its head it wouldn't be worth the legal action from a backer.' << amazing model. steal a penny from $maxint people - not a crime at all...
20:26	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
20:26	undata	mircea_popescu: a guy from portland, oregon that writes code
20:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12058 @ 0.00073925 = 8.9139 BTC [+] {2}
20:26	mircea_popescu	undata there's worse fates.
20:27	undata	mircea_popescu: I've seen some intelligent-sounding stuff on the trilema blog and thought I'd sit in a while
20:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and then they wanna bitch at bitcoin, these people.
20:27	kakobrekla	asciilifeform thats the model bitstamp is using among others.
20:27	mircea_popescu	i wanna see sonny bate's note from stalin.
20:27	asciilifeform	he walks a free man, that's proof of note
20:28	asciilifeform	(until he doesn't. if stops playing ball in whatever prescribed way.)
20:28	mircea_popescu	no proof of note. i wish to see the actual note.
20:28	kakobrekla	undata you should check the logs perhaps.
20:28	mircea_popescu	this never ending pile of meta-bullshit.
20:28	asciilifeform	chances are, it consists of a list of 19yo kids to be meritwashed on schedule.
20:28	undata	kakobrekla: eh?
20:29	mircea_popescu	i dun think stalin gets to pick the form of his own fucking letters.
20:29	asciilifeform	if you know folks in the publishing industry, consider the story of the sf book/film 'eragon.'
20:29	kakobrekla	undata http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
20:29	assbot	#bitcoin-assets log
20:29	asciilifeform	(turd that was pushed through because note from fellow with note from fellow with note from stalin)
20:29	thestringpuller	eragon is that old?
20:29	undata	kakobrekla: what in particular?
20:30	kakobrekla	the intelligent sounding stuff.
20:30	asciilifeform	thestringpuller: not the story per se
20:30	asciilifeform	thestringpuller, kakobrekla: the story of how the steaming pile of shit was published.
20:31	mircea_popescu	undata cool.
20:36	asciilifeform	at any rate, what kind of idiot would leave written record of this kind of wink and nod ?
20:36	asciilifeform	(possibly that kind - see 'climategate' etc)
20:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9913 @ 0.0007364 = 7.2999 BTC [-]
20:43	asciilifeform	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-tech-companies-should-be-required-to-make-devices-wire-tap-friendly/2014/10/16/93244408-555c-11e4-892e-602188e70e9c_story.html << how sweet the smoke. as if any of these were - or could possibly be - 'unfriendly'
20:43	assbot	FBI director: Tech companies should be required to make devices wire-tap friendly - The Washington Post
20:44	asciilifeform	precisely this, is what differentiates muppet show from puppet show.
20:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00073494 = 3.2337 BTC [-] {2}
20:46	asciilifeform	obligatory: http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2005/kermit-visits-doctor.jpg
20:49	thestringpuller	also obligatory: http://i.imgur.com/6AIhUmW.jpg
20:50	bounce	such lies. lies and hot button soup.
20:57	assbot	PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
20:58	thestringpuller	!up PinkPosixPXE
20:58	PinkPosixPXE	Thank you
21:01	asciilifeform	from the loltron: http://www.wired.com/2014/10/microsoft-pinkerton
21:01	assbot	How Microsoft Appointed Itself Sheriff of the Internet | WIRED
21:01	asciilifeform	'a messenger from the courts, who handed him a stack of legal documents—three inches thick. Somewhere in that stack—buried in all the legalese—was the news that Microsoft had taken control of his company, but Durrer didn’t have time to read it. Almost immediately, his pager lit up with messages saying the company’s internet services had stopped working.'
21:01	asciilifeform	(retelling of old news, yes.)
21:09	asciilifeform	re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread.
21:09	cazalla	qntra down again :\
21:09	cazalla	and just as i am about to publish a story
21:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00073649 = 16.0187 BTC [+]
21:10	decimation	asciilifeform: but what we have seen from the cdc et. al. is incompetence at coordination
21:10	decimation	I suspect that usg is apple's bitch and not vice versa
21:11	asciilifeform	sufficiently advanced incompetence is equivalent to malice, or how did it go.
21:11	asciilifeform	(for some people, still breathing is a malicious act)
21:11	asciilifeform	they know that they do.
21:11	asciilifeform	decimation: apple and usg are not distinct entities.
21:13	decimation	my point is merely that usg has generally shown to be plain incompetent, not conspiratorially incompetent
21:13	asciilifeform	picture a serial killer that picks up women and then proceeds to get lost in the desert
21:13	kakobrekla	isnt that what they would want you to belive decimation
21:13	asciilifeform	runs out of gas, promises to go find help, then never comes
21:14	asciilifeform	dessicated corpses found.
21:14	asciilifeform	then he's caught, pleads that he's simply very forgetful
21:14	cazalla	mircea_popescu, i can't upload images btw, says no write access
21:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00073553 = 24.1989 BTC [-] {4}
21:14	asciilifeform	goes to find town and water, then just kind loses track.
21:14	asciilifeform	not a very organized fellow, you see.
21:14	asciilifeform	not at all conspiratorially competent.
21:15	decimation	kakobrekla: of course, but it's also possible that the pleading is genuine, so that congress or whoever will make a law or something stupid like that
21:15	cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/robocoin-removed-by-australian-police-as-part-of-drug-arrests/
21:15	assbot	Robocoin Removed By Australian Police As Part Of Drug Arrests | Qntra.net
21:16	cazalla	it's all happening down under
21:16	asciilifeform	!s atm fortress
21:16	assbot	5 results for 'atm fortress' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=atm+fortress
21:17	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2014#777720
21:17	assbot	Logged on 30-07-2014 06:30:54; mircea_popescu: in any event it's a fortressy thing to do. "here is money for the taking. take it only like so, or else you die"
21:18	decimation	asciilifeform: yeah this is a reasonable idea
21:19	decimation	after all, fortresses in the middle ages were mostly used as tollbooths
21:19	asciilifeform	from point of view of the uniformed thugs, that thing is just a peculiarly heavy chest of cash to plunder.
21:19	nubbins`	http://www.dailydot.com/politics/anonabox-accusations/
21:19	assbot	Wildly successful crowdfunded 'anonabox' router accused of lying to customers
21:20	asciilifeform	nubbins`: read log
21:20	decimation	the secret keys which 'hold' bitcoin are so easy to lift that it requires impressive trustworthy physical security to protect
21:20	nubbins`	:(
21:20	asciilifeform	decimation: if the builder had any sense, those zeroed when it was unplugged
21:20	asciilifeform	(and/or moved)
21:21	decimation	hopefully the crypto is inserted in a separate plug
21:21	asciilifeform	(not that it is trivial to do this correctly.)
21:21	kakobrekla	Because despite positive press coverage from the Guardian, TechCrunch, WIRED, ReadWrite and beyond ... < you should set the domains of those sites to resolve to 127.0.0.1 in your hosts.
21:21	asciilifeform	zey vere oonly fullowing urders.
21:22	nubbins`	kakobrekla: what, and when a guest visits my home and goes to wired.com, a plain html page with all my private keys pops up on the screen?
21:22	decimation	re: qntra 'purpose' discussion < it would be useful if it simply named names
21:22	nubbins`	i think not!
21:23	nubbins`	that httpd is a secret!
21:23	PinkPosixPXE	I wonder if this live coinbase cofounder AMA coming on in 30 minutes, will be any good.
21:24	decimation	asciilifeform: re: your 'escape' plans << it's true that in the us your property isn't safe, least of all from usg - but is there really a country that credibly offers a better deal
21:24	asciilifeform	decimation: better deals are sold in various locales. the cost of betterdeals in usa is uncommonly high.
21:25	asciilifeform	(around $maxint, and usually need blood connections)
21:25	decimation	good point. political connections, 'can call $bureaucrat' etc is the us 'better deal'
21:25	asciilifeform	usually no need to call.
21:26	decimation	right, simply threat of call
21:26	asciilifeform	the nomenklatura knows who they are.
21:26	asciilifeform	(didja know that usg has an actual nomenklatura? i didn't, until it was shown to me. the document isn't even secret.)
21:26	decimation	you mean the 'plum book'?
21:27	asciilifeform	of course, not all of the folks who 'don't need to call' are in there.
21:27	asciilifeform	yes, it.
21:27	decimation	supposedly after failing to win the presidency, bob dole went to work for k street - was pay $ 5 digits to make a single phone call
21:27	decimation	because no bureaucrat will not take bob dole's call
21:28	decimation	wapo had a story yesterday that allows you catch a glipse of 'status', the real money in wash dc http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-sits-where-the-etiquette-of-dinner-seating/2014/10/15/371809ec-5476-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_graphic.html
21:28	assbot	Who sits where? The etiquette of dinner seating - The Washington Post
21:29	asciilifeform	there is probably an equivalent of plum for the folks who aren't nominally public servants. it's considerably thicker.
21:29	decimation	usg 'party planner' types studious grade each bureaucrat with the military equivalent, and then rank in parties appropriately
21:30	nubbins`	!s $maxint
21:30	assbot	43 results for '$maxint' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%24maxint
21:30	nubbins`	!s $minint
21:30	assbot	0 results for '$minint' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%24minint
21:30	decimation	http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-solutions.html
21:30	assbot	Across Difficult Country: Ebola Solutions
21:30	kakobrekla	nubbins` you are looking for 'mininum'
21:31	nubbins`	!s $minnaturalnumber
21:31	assbot	0 results for '$minnaturalnumber' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%24minnaturalnumber
21:31	nubbins`	^ assbot takes a stand
21:31	asciilifeform	http://www.dailydot.com/geek/hatred-game-trailer << megatrol, 'sim-postal!'
21:31	assbot	Gruesome trailer released for Hatred, a game about mass shootings
21:32	kakobrekla	why does assbot offer you a link when there is 0 results, i dont know.
21:34	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2MSW30Q.txt )
21:34	BingoBoingo	!b 1
21:35	decimation	asciilifeform: somehow extreme violence is considered more-or-less 'ok' in the us, but sexuality isn't (at least in public)
21:35	asciilifeform	us?
21:35	nubbins`	kakobrekla proof
21:35	asciilifeform	'Hatred is a third-person shooter in development from Polish studio Destructive Creations.'
21:35	decimation	heh I didn't see that
21:36	*	asciilifeform doesn't quite grasp the appeal of 'fishing with dynamite' sims
21:36	asciilifeform	there was a sim-auschwitz at one point, if i recall
21:36	asciilifeform	snore.
21:36	ben_vulpes	;;google papers please
21:36	gribble	Papers, Please: <http://dukope.com/>; Papers, Please - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papers,_Please>; Papers, Please on Steam: <http://store.steampowered.com/app/239030/>
21:37	decimation	someone should make an 'rpg' where you are in europe post-nazi victory
21:37	decimation	or trying to survive in the gulag
21:37	decimation	ben_vulpes: I loved papers please
21:37	asciilifeform	decimation: gulag << exists. translated, ineptly, with title 'dungeon cleaners.'
21:38	asciilifeform	is in fact about a prison planet modelled very closely on russian prison (by a former employee, and well-loved blogger Goblin)
21:38	decimation	heh neat
21:39	asciilifeform	someone could probably make a 'thinking man's Doom' (a la 'Thief') based on the premise of intelligent saboteur/terrorist, who plants limpets, burns reichstags, etc. -- but the author is likely to end up having problems.
21:40	asciilifeform	the way i see it, the meme of small-arms 'postal' is kept going, with maximal help from the many-tentacled beast, to keep miscreants from going full bore 'stand on zanzibar' and using actually effective weapons (their brains, primarily)
21:41	asciilifeform	obligatory:
21:41	decimation	asciilifeform: it has been remarked here before about how good 'democracy' (as practiced today) is so good at misdirecting the masses' need for war/violence/etc
21:41	asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket
21:42	asciilifeform	decimation: mtb is ok with violence. or, thinks it is, has 'full spectrum dominance' in the field (or thinks so at any rate)
21:42	asciilifeform	;;isitdown trilema.com
21:42	gribble	trilema.com is down
21:43	decimation	it is interesting that 'crazies' who go postal insist on just spraying down innocents rather than waging 'guerrilla' war
21:43	asciilifeform	phun phact
21:43	asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu interestingly, google cache appears to be disabled for trilema.
21:43	gribble	The operation succeeded.
21:43	asciilifeform	decimation: yes.
21:44	kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/0M1D6QP.txt
21:44	kakobrekla	opens here
21:44	asciilifeform	kakobrekla: had it lying around?
21:44	decimation	take for instance that fellow hiding in the woods of PA - he could have done far more 'damage' if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity, rather than murdering a cop and giving every cop in the 5-state area a hardon for his ass
21:44	kakobrekla	the page opened for me.
21:44	asciilifeform	aha
21:44	kakobrekla	as in trilema.
21:45	thestringpuller	decimation: did you ever see the story about the man who lived in maine?
21:46	decimation	thestringpuller: to whom are you referring?
21:46	thestringpuller	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/11/american-hermit-caught-27-years
21:46	assbot	Hermit caught after 27 years in Maine woods | US news | theguardian.com
21:47	asciilifeform	that one's famous, yes.
21:47	asciilifeform	there was another one who lived in a dugout in a national park.
21:49	asciilifeform	decimation: if he patiently attacked physical targets of opportunity << see the novel 'wasp' (eric frank russel)
21:49	asciilifeform	http://www.resist.com/WASP.pdf
21:49	asciilifeform	lol had no idea that was just sitting there, waiting.
21:50	*	asciilifeform wonders if fbi/dhs paid russel's estate royalties when they hosted his tale on the 'resist' honeypot.
21:50	ben_vulpes	nice.
21:51	ben_vulpes	nah libre cover
21:51	ben_vulpes	ofc, bureaucrats
21:51	ben_vulpes	asciilifeform you've an admirable appreciation of their byzantine mindset
21:51	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: these folks are almost as predictable as stellar bodies
21:51	thestringpuller	is qntra down?
21:51	ben_vulpes	provided you've seen them in action i imagine
21:52	thestringpuller	;;isdown qntra.net
21:52	gribble	Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
21:52	thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net
21:52	gribble	qntra.net is down
21:53	decimation	that maine fellow is amusing. it demonstrates that as long as you don't make yourself a general 'problem', you will have ranger bob on your ass and not an entire state's police force
21:54	asciilifeform	whose 'general problem' was david koresh?
21:54	BingoBoingo	decimation: A different "ranger bob" could have just as easily left him buried in the woods to be found next century
21:54	asciilifeform	^
21:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00073769 = 11.6555 BTC [+] {2}
21:55	decimation	http://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2014/06/05/cops-in-texas-seize-millions-by-policing-for-profit/
21:55	assbot	Cops In Texas Seize Millions By 'Policing for Profit' - Forbes
21:55	decimation	maybe Mr. koresh failed to grease the right palms
21:56	asciilifeform	sometimes the beast just needs target practice.
21:56	asciilifeform	if you're a suitable target - bad luck.
21:57	asciilifeform	to these folks, you and i are just the same as the paper hares and squirrels at the shooting gallery.
21:58	decimation	what about mr. bundy in nevada
21:58	asciilifeform	above the level of the folks who are merely practicing, there's someone who is making a point. same point as every king ever. public impalement to show he still 'has it.'
21:59	undata	a smart cult with an anti-govt streak would try to remain unnoticed
22:00	asciilifeform	'Wolf went on, "The weight of a wasp is under half an ounce. Compared with a human being its size is minute, its strength negligible. Its sole armament is a tiny syringe holding a drop of irritant, formic acid, and in this case it didn't even use it. Nevertheless it killed four big men and converted a large, powerful car into a heap of scrap." "I see the point," agreed Mowry, "but where do I come in?" "Right h
22:00	asciilifeform	ere," said Wolf. "We want you to become a wasp."'
22:00	*	asciilifeform recommends this vintage and very entertaining story to everyone
22:05	decimation	re: mr. bundy << rumor was that it was sen. reid behind to whole thing, so that he could 'merit-wash' the land and gift it to his son's enterprises http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/24/blog-posting/did-sen-harry-reid-drive-standoff-bundy-ranch-pers/
22:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00073553 = 5.0016 BTC [-]
22:05	asciilifeform	the solar panel thing?
22:06	thestringpuller	asciilifeform: if it's free why not thanks for the link
22:06	decimation	of course this article describe how that couldn't possibly be the case
22:06	decimation	yeah
22:07	asciilifeform	thestringpuller: if you like paper, and live near a secondhand book shop - it'll be $1 or so.
22:07	thestringpuller	why so cheap?
22:07	asciilifeform	ancient paperback, cult classic
22:07	thestringpuller	oic
22:07	asciilifeform	short, too
22:08	thestringpuller	i'll put it on the bed-computer and read it instead of watching tv in bed
22:08	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814484 << intro to 'meritwashing' for n00bs
22:08	assbot	Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work
22:08	asciilifeform	^for the record
22:09	*	asciilifeform thinking that single-word notation is probably good search engine spamatronic practice
22:11	decimation	http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/alexis-de-tocqueville-on-the-dark-sides-of-democracy/ "Trusting that the system was fair and just, Americans simply gave up their independence of mind, and put their faith in newspapers and so-called ‘common sense’. The scepticism of Europeans towards public opinion had given way to a naive faith in the wisdom of the crowd. "
22:11	assbot	Alexis de Tocqueville on the Dark Sides of Democracy « Isegoria
22:11	kakobrekla	!google merit washing
22:11	kakobrekla	eh
22:11	kakobrekla	;;google merit washing
22:11	gribble	MERIT - Early Learning Portal - Access Washington: <https://apps.del.wa.gov/merit/>; MERIT - Department of Early Learning - Access Washington: <http://www.del.wa.gov/requirements/professional/merit.aspx>; Washington state career lattice for early care and education ...: <http://www.del.wa.gov/requirements/professional/lattice.aspx>
22:11	asciilifeform	lol!
22:11	decimation	de tocqueville predicted the 'iphonization' of everything 200 years ago
22:12	ThickAsThieves	coinbase ama live vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OWzZSr8Nc
22:12	assbot	Coinbase Founders Live AMA - YouTube
22:13	*	asciilifeform prefers notation 'amaa' for these - 'ask me almost anything'
22:13	asciilifeform	truth in advertising, and all that.
22:16	kakobrekla	isnt ama a reddit thing?
22:17	asciilifeform	yes, and a notorious scamwash
22:17	kakobrekla	hm
22:17	thestringpuller	i don't know if I can watch this without cringing
22:17	asciilifeform	where rats of all descriptions are brought onto a stage to show how 'open' they are
22:17	cazalla	i asked em a question https://twitter.com/OTendai/status/522932979371233281
22:17	assbot	Can Africa ever expect reputable companies like /coinbase to service our needs? Countries like Uganda are desperate for legimate players.
22:17	kakobrekla	i dont see anything reddit related on this feed. its on youtube and linking to twitter.
22:17	cazalla	retweet if ya can :P
22:18	kakobrekla	using google hangout.
22:18	kakobrekla	or smth
22:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00073592 = 11.1124 BTC [+]
22:19	kakobrekla	next is reddit amas on 4chan?
22:20	cazalla	bwahaha
22:21	thestringpuller	cazalla: they answered it
22:21	thestringpuller	just now
22:21	thestringpuller	Wow that was quick
22:22	cazalla	i should've mentioned ebola in my first tweet :\
22:22	thestringpuller	Hmm. Will this thing be recorded?
22:22	cazalla	thestringpuller, they usually are
22:22	thestringpuller	he was talking about how he doesn't know how one would enter a local market in africa cause he's not an expert
22:23	thestringpuller	but that's probably where it's needed most.
22:23	thestringpuller	i'll transcribe the response when i can rewind
22:24	cazalla	don't bother, i'm only trying to troll them
22:24	thestringpuller	LOL
22:24	thestringpuller	well you succeeded
22:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00073724 = 12.1276 BTC [+] {2}
22:34	thestringpuller	are we all watching this now?
22:34	RagnarDanneskjol	unfortunately yes
22:42	thestringpuller	!up devthedev
22:42	thestringpuller	!up xdotcommer
22:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4518 @ 0.00073847 = 3.3364 BTC [+]
22:51	thestringpuller	!up Jondo
22:52	decimation	asciilifeform: this story reads like the kgb playbook
22:53	thestringpuller	XD
22:53	assbot	PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
22:54	ben_vulpes	xdotcommer back around eh?
22:54	decimation	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
22:54	assbot	Yuri Bezmenov: Deception Was My Job (Complete) - YouTube
22:55	BingoBoingo	!up PinkPosixPXE
22:55	PinkPosixPXE	Thanks BingoBoingo
22:56	asciilifeform	decimation: basic playbook, i doubt has changed since babylon.
22:56	PinkPosixPXE	I just want the bitcoin pillow
22:57	PinkPosixPXE	I want a room of them that I can swim in
23:03	ThickAsThieves	they wont answer my q :( https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/522945163703115776
23:03	assbot	/coinbase What is your policy and plan regarding blacklisting bitcoin addresses and associating them with customer accounts?
23:04	asciilifeform	decimation: '... former propagandist for kgb!!!111!!' << i'd love to watch a film like this about usa.
23:04	PinkPosixPXE	Someone beat me to mine, re bringing John Collins on board
23:05	kakobrekla	ill answer it for you. "we are in US so we need to lick dirty anuses. we called chief dirty anus licker expert on board. not only he has experience he also has connections that will allow us to get the freshest anuses."
23:06	PinkPosixPXE	hahaha
23:06	BingoBoingo	;;isitup qntra.net
23:06	gribble	Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
23:06	PinkPosixPXE	nice
23:06	thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net
23:06	gribble	qntra.net is up
23:07	thestringpuller	;;ping
23:07	gribble	pong
23:07	asciilifeform	403
23:07	thestringpuller	me too
23:07	PinkPosixPXE	it's up, but it's getting a 403 forbidden
23:07	BingoBoingo	Also see 403
23:07	PinkPosixPXE	want me to fix it for you ;P
23:07	kakobrekla	another one with a death wish.
23:07	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/ldAL5.gif
23:11	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLqHv0xgOlc << more phun from mr. b.
23:11	assbot	Feminists Are Useful Idiots, And Doomed. Must Watch. - YouTube
23:13	asciilifeform	(segment of above, i think)
23:14	PinkPosixPXE	;;status qntra.net
23:14	gribble	(status takes no arguments) -- Returns the status of the bot.
23:14	PinkPosixPXE	;;status
23:14	gribble	I am connected to freenode as gribble.
23:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2885 @ 0.000739 = 2.132 BTC [+] {2}
23:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00073906 = 4.1757 BTC [+]
23:38	BingoBoingo	http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/horseshoe_casino_cleveland_cus.html
23:38	assbot	Horseshoe Casino Cleveland customer arrested after comment about Ebola | cleveland.com
23:39	asciilifeform	gonna see fewer of those when the leprosariae open.
23:44	BingoBoingo	%d
23:44	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 326926.13 in 91 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.59
23:48	asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOEt1fuukvk << neato
23:48	assbot	Let's Look At: Papers, Please (Beta) - YouTube
23:49	mod6	< 100 to go 'eh
23:51	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller lol derpy cloudflare.
23:51	mircea_popescu	not only it doesn't do anything, but it also... doesn't do anything.
23:52	mircea_popescu	<cazalla> and just as i am about to publish a story << yeah well that'sdhelped along by the fact that you're always about to publish one lol
23:54	BingoBoingo	%t
23:54	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
23:57	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: re: chumps << witness the number of 'what did he do wrong111?!!?' imbeciles in the anonabox reddit thread. << quite. "need reasons"
23:58	asciilifeform	'stockholm syndrome', or some other condition, IANAS (not a shrink)
23:58	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what do you mean google cache disabled ?
23:58	asciilifeform	have a looksee
23:58	asciilifeform	google for, e.g., -- trilema nobody could have foreseen
23:59	mircea_popescu	Nobody could have foreseen their using a plane like a rocket - Trilema
23:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00073906 = 4.8039 BTC [+]
23:59	mircea_popescu	trilema.com/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket
23:59	asciilifeform	well yes
23:59	asciilifeform	but which links show a cache tickbox
23:59	asciilifeform	and which don't
23:59	mircea_popescu	none of them do nor have for years ?
23:59	asciilifeform	(cough up some example where trilema and nontrilema links share the top box)
23:59	asciilifeform	srsly?
23:59	mircea_popescu	afaik

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