00:00 |
upme_boolcrap |
woow |
00:00 |
upme_boolcrap |
yeah houses in the city |
00:00 |
upme_boolcrap |
are too expensive |
00:01 |
decimation |
!s bezzle wolf |
00:01 |
assbot |
1 results for 'bezzle wolf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bezzle+wolf |
00:02 |
chalbersma |
So what's next on this P2Pool server? |
00:02 |
decimation |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2013#431244 |
00:02 |
assbot |
Logged on 25-12-2013 21:26:27; asciilifeform: at some point 'the bezzle' becomes real, the cartoon wolf looks down and finally obeys gravity, goes splat off the cliff. |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
decimation, BingoBoingo, others - http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << possibly only good thing about lcd, you can do this. |
00:03 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
00:05 |
upme_boolcrap |
!nakedchicks |
00:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah I wish one could buy a poster-sized display |
00:06 |
Duffer1 |
!bait |
00:06 |
decimation |
I see you keep a few 4:3 displays too |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: they stack well. |
00:06 |
Duffer1 |
what no bait? |
00:06 |
BingoBoingo |
do /msg ozbot .d |
00:07 |
decimation |
lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
no emacs in this picture. |
00:08 |
decimation |
what's the quartile in the upper right? just terminals? |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
'ratpoison' |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
!s ratpoison |
00:08 |
assbot |
12 results for 'ratpoison' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ratpoison |
00:08 |
decimation |
ah |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
favourite wm |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
(not only mine, many folks) |
00:08 |
decimation |
are all of those displays driven from one machine? |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
aye |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
nothing terribly peculiar |
00:08 |
decimation |
I bet it was a pain in the ass to setup xconf |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
set up once, then live. like building house. |
00:09 |
decimation |
except if you use gentoo, occasion decisions by crazies wipe out your house, then rebuild... |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
or forget about the crazies and run alone. |
00:12 |
decimation |
so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
mostly. |
00:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up devthedev |
00:12 |
decimation |
sounds legit. I second diametric in that discussion the other day, I like arch as a former gentoo user |
00:13 |
* |
asciilifeform not particularly enamoured of gentoo, but there is no real alternative. |
00:13 |
chalbersma |
It's been a fun gents. I'm going to call it a night. You guys have a good one. |
00:13 |
BingoBoingo |
devthedev: You ever ru a p2pool? |
00:13 |
decimation |
agreed, there is an unfilled space for an 'adult' source distro |
00:14 |
BingoBoingo |
Well ideas of adult and distro tend to run contrary to each other |
00:15 |
decimation |
ideally the distro should come from ascii's software-priests |
00:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076747 = 9.8236 BTC [+] {2} |
00:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Or you know... magazines and glue sticks |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
!up upme_boolcrap |
00:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, a Brian Goss, maybe the one from this space? >> http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2149175/Hotel_Hell/season_2/episode_8/Murphys_Hotel/?huid=hxpyursy1xh9 |
00:21 |
assbot |
HOTEL HELL S02E08 - Murphys Hotel - Watch Online For Free on TubePlus |
00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
Minute 25 is best minute |
00:28 |
decimation |
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ << there was a strong solare flare from an earth-facing sunspot at 1745 utc, could produce a nasty geomagnetic storm in a few days |
00:28 |
assbot |
NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center |
00:29 |
upme_boolcrap |
nice |
00:29 |
upme_boolcrap |
i want a solar flare that will destroy every electric instrument on earth |
00:29 |
asciilifeform |
upme_boolcrap: tough one. |
00:30 |
asciilifeform |
;;google faraday cage |
00:30 |
gribble |
Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage>; HowStuffWorks "How Faraday Cages Work": <http://science.howstuffworks.com/faraday-cage.htm>; Build Your Own Faraday Cage. Here's How. - The Survivalist Blog: <http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/build-your-own-faraday-cage-heres-how/> |
00:30 |
decimation |
it's not the initial flare, it's the geomagnetic storm, which is mainly a threat to equipment attached to long conductors |
00:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25360 @ 0.00076189 = 19.3215 BTC [-] |
00:31 |
decimation |
EMP from ionospheric H-bomb is a bigger threat to small electronics, but can be defended as ascii points out |
00:33 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36XB71V.txt ) |
00:33 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
00:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Who needs TEMPEST wen you window leaks screen contents |
00:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/4296/uncle-al << apparently al schwartz is on 'stack exchange'... |
00:36 |
assbot |
User Uncle Al - Chemistry Stack Exchange |
00:39 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: re schedule: what aspect of your professional work demands irregular hours? |
00:39 |
ben_vulpes |
<BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does << yeah, but have you seen the de-wiggler in action? |
00:39 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: multiple jobs, none of which have fixed hours as such |
00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
ah, i was only privy to the botnet inspector gig and NSA. |
00:40 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: "easy", but do you? |
00:40 |
dub |
what the fuck is this net slowdown shit |
00:41 |
asciilifeform |
which 'easy' |
00:41 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession. |
00:41 |
decimation |
lol http://washingtonexaminer.com/lights-out-house-plan-would-protect-nations-electricity-from-solar-flare-nuclear-bomb/article/2532038 << " Officials said that the legislation, provided in advance to Secrets, will include information from a recent EMP commission report that "contemporary U.S. society is not structured, nor does it have the means, to provide for the needs of nearly 300 million Americans without electricity.'': |
00:41 |
assbot |
Lights out: House plan would protect nation's electricity from solar flare, nuclear bomb | WashingtonExaminer.com |
00:41 |
dub |
my work week looks like ass for the rest of the year |
00:42 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:42 |
dub |
22:00-03:00 4 nights a week |
00:42 |
* |
asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Week I graduated college the world wiggled every other day. Maybe my life stalled out because it stopped??? |
00:43 |
decimation |
I suspect that the fantasy-plans for "contingency usg" would be a hilarious read |
00:43 |
BingoBoingo |
* asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. << Walking is my escape plan |
00:43 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: see robert sheckley's short story 'petrified world.' |
00:44 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://www.american-buddha.com/sheckleycanyoufeel.3.htm |
00:44 |
assbot |
Can You Feel Anything When I Do This?, by Robert Sheckley |
00:44 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: also recommended by taleb. seems reasonable to do what humans have been doing for millennia |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: walking does not take one to the edge of the performance envelope. |
00:44 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Today an old colleague commented that i lost weight. Did not know the proper response to that. |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: It can |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
BingoBoingo: "isn't it great?" |
00:45 |
ben_vulpes |
"can" is not "does" |
00:45 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Edge is not always VO2MAX!!! |
00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
scusi? |
00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Consecutive days walking is a metric too, right? |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. << f/h can be had without signing that contract. contract that includes "bells" should carry a markup adequate to compensate for the interruption of critical bio processes |
00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
loll Torstein |
00:48 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: many things 'can be had' in principle - e.g., mircea_popescu's kit. |
00:49 |
asciilifeform |
reduction to practice - another matter. |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
contract negotiation is where everything starts. |
00:50 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: don't misunderstand the original gripe. the bell is annoying precisely because it rings - rarely. |
00:50 |
BingoBoingo |
No, sometimes contract happens before negotiation. |
00:50 |
asciilifeform |
the difference between 'rarely' and 'never' is often more palpable than between 'daily' and 'rarely.' |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
ah |
00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
i had misunderstood |
00:51 |
* |
asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. |
00:51 |
asciilifeform |
!up upme_boolcrap |
00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
* asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. << If I normalize I live on roughly 29 hour dyas |
00:52 |
asciilifeform |
29 -> not so bad. resynches with non-mutants weekly or so. |
00:52 |
BingoBoingo |
Indeed |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
this natural schedule bs is bs |
00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Winter though I have week long days. Summer I have day long weeks |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
sun comes up, mammals wake |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
sun goes down, mammals nap |
00:53 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: Oh, my schedule is anything but natural |
00:53 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: nope. |
00:54 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: ever meet a cat? |
00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
noctunrnes exluded |
00:54 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google Five days with Freddie |
00:54 |
gribble |
Five Nights at Freddy's Windows game | Desura: <http://www.desura.com/games/five-nights-at-freddys>; Five Nights at Freddy's on Steam: <http://store.steampowered.com/app/319510/>; Five Days At Freddy's| SCARIEST GAME EVER!| Night 1 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSVYBdcVL0> |
00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno that any advanced primate has a set schedule |
00:55 |
asciilifeform |
some folks have approximately 24h clock, think we're malingerers. what can i say. |
00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
hey i'm shoehorning my own cycle into the american business routine too asciilifeform |
00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Half the year I can make them feel lazy. Unfortunatley for me the half they aren't looking |
00:56 |
ben_vulpes |
although i never had the oportunity to discover what a "true" or "honest" cycle might look like, i just beat it until it submitted to what i wanted from my life |
00:57 |
BingoBoingo |
Back in JUly this year I had a week with 90 minutes of sleep |
00:58 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.hulu.com/watch/615841#i0,p0,d0 |
00:58 |
assbot |
Watch The Blacklist Online - Milton Bobbit | Hulu |
01:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17541 @ 0.00076586 = 13.434 BTC [+] {3} |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ud jewgolf |
01:01 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Westchester | mostly suburban county bordering the bronx to the south and fairfield county, ct to the north. largely perceived as a haven for wealthy investment bankers, ... |
01:01 |
ben_vulpes |
<BingoBoingo> What, like JewGolf? << dear sir please assplain yourself |
01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
ben_vulpes: What, you think the dark run the game of baskets? |
01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Stern, Silver??? |
01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Jews run basketball. |
01:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Also the chance Wisconsin does not win out the rest of its schedule is so remote that people who want to bet on it need to bitc to the Big 1G |
01:08 |
ben_vulpes |
teh jooz run everything |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
cept bitcoin |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust Azelphur |
01:09 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012 |
01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!up devthedev |
01:16 |
Knot_Yeti |
rar |
01:17 |
decimation |
hax! |
01:17 |
Knot_Yeti |
someone's paying attention... |
01:18 |
Knot_Yeti |
<KRS-1> Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ << holy KRS-1 |
01:18 |
assbot |
The Continued Pussification of the American Male |
01:20 |
Knot_Yeti |
<BingoBoingo> Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo << flat, no earthquakes, reliable oil for the gennies, it's in every american seven-niner's uptime plan |
01:20 |
Knot_Yeti |
lordy im having trouble putting this beer and grinder down |
01:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Knot_Yeti: Also moar Niggers in the county PD |
01:21 |
Knot_Yeti |
dun matter for the dc |
01:21 |
BingoBoingo |
Ferguson could never liberate in KC |
01:21 |
Knot_Yeti |
!up upme_boolcrap |
01:22 |
BingoBoingo |
You have to remember I find Ladue Nigger central. |
01:22 |
BingoBoingo |
RUF is for the people |
01:22 |
Knot_Yeti |
you're making less sense than vexual |
01:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Knot_Yeti: No, I'm just saying STLCPD is a bunch of Niggers and the blacks in Ferguson deserve the right to lynch them\ |
01:24 |
Knot_Yeti |
i certainly wouldn't know |
01:24 |
BingoBoingo |
Knot_Yeti: Well of course you can't in Vanilla city |
01:25 |
Knot_Yeti |
but i'm not about to stand up for the assholes running bikers over while tapping on their wheelbox-mounted tablest |
01:25 |
Knot_Yeti |
Homogeneity City |
01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
Knot_Yeti who're you ? |
01:25 |
Knot_Yeti |
;;ident |
01:25 |
gribble |
CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Knot_Yeti', with hostmask 'Knot_Yeti!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None |
01:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lolk |
01:26 |
BingoBoingo |
I miss Bob Ross |
01:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i think im too young to know bob ross |
01:27 |
Knot_Yeti |
so who is this recruiter character? |
01:27 |
Knot_Yeti |
pahaha mircea_popescu old the notion |
01:27 |
BingoBoingo |
I saw bob ross and you've got a decade on me MP |
01:27 |
Knot_Yeti |
*young the notion |
01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
Knot_Yeti he's some guy working really hard at being halpful. im curious if it ends in tears, despair or great success. |
01:28 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F6DB0.txt ) |
01:28 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
o shoit, bob ross is the guy that "would you like a fresh towel" dude was trying to immitate. |
01:29 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTpttu6sqjw |
01:29 |
assbot |
Road Trip - ALL Rubin scenes - part 2 - YouTube |
01:29 |
Knot_Yeti |
<mircea_popescu> trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm << lotsa this |
01:30 |
Knot_Yeti |
but uninterruptible power, people on call 24/7, audited security procedures, remote hands... |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhmNROtH44 << interesting to students of chemistry as well as noob machinists who would, had they not seen it, mounted Al shaft in PTFE bearing... |
01:31 |
assbot |
Teflon with aluminum reaction (flash explosion) - YouTube |
01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
!up frankenmint |
01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what's the worst that can happen |
01:31 |
frankenmint |
thanks |
01:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the reaction pictured. |
01:32 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just a flesh wound |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
01:32 |
Knot_Yeti |
flash wound |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
flesh is cheap, fine machinery - costly. |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
(there is always - more flesh.) |
01:33 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Today I had to explain my secret sauce for preserving great editions |
01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: 'peripheral' laser scanner << you mean the handheld shits ? |
01:34 |
mircea_popescu |
frankenmint sure. how goes ? |
01:34 |
frankenmint |
chillin whatchin chocolat |
01:35 |
frankenmint |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 |
01:35 |
assbot |
So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? |
01:35 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yeah the little 'pen' devices |
01:35 |
frankenmint |
found that felt like a loser for not doing a otc trade yet |
01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing << what i miss most about crts, believe it or not, is the shade. |
01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
a crt you can adjust to be as unluminous as you'd like. a lcd, no. has a minimum. |
01:35 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: would not want to breathe that smoke... |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
shade >> yes! |
01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
frankenmint :p |
01:36 |
decimation |
mircea_popescu: yeah a well-known defect of lcds. supposedly the new led-based displays will overcome this |
01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
i still have perfect vision, after decades with computors. i credit : a) low monitors and b) large fonts. |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: OLED aging makes crt phosphours look indestructible. |
01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well they hope they're fixing that |
01:37 |
asciilifeform |
lol why would 'they'. |
01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
prolly with some more rare earths nobody ever heard of and thatdon't really exist |
01:37 |
asciilifeform |
homo chumpiens isn't meant to keep his iPnohe for longer than a year, or the like. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lol homo chumpiens |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
that has staying powers. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao look at this, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg8133410#msg8133410 |
01:38 |
assbot |
So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? |
01:38 |
asciilifeform |
pronounce as 'champions' for extra bite. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
keep upo the good work, he says. |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer << better if it comes with a pair of black girls. |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
or was it the girl with a pair of melons |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
hum. getting old, bad memory. |
01:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. |
01:39 |
decimation |
I miss the little wire shadows on my old trinitron |
01:39 |
asciilifeform |
i was there, we weighed it... |
01:39 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: that's amazing |
01:39 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
01:40 |
mircea_popescu |
alaska ? |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
nah, here |
01:41 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. << Grandpa wasted soil this year on 215 lb-is pumpkin |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
01:42 |
mircea_popescu |
chalbersma: So what's next on this P2Pool server? << oblivion, quite likely. |
01:42 |
decimation |
specs on trinitron vs. lcd & plasma & dlp http://www.displaymate.com/ShootOut_Part_1.htm |
01:42 |
assbot |
Display Technology Shoot-Out Part I |
01:42 |
BingoBoingo |
A great number of groundhogs died for it though. |
01:43 |
decimation |
lcds have gotten better, just about 3 times worse than a trinitron crt (in its prime) in contrast |
01:43 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mircea_popescu - he went to bed - was asking me how to proceed, but I was unavail. I'll invite him again tomorrow |
01:43 |
decimation |
I suspect that trinitrons are still in use for medical applications where resolution and contrast are critical |
01:43 |
Knot_Yeti |
decimation: pixel density tho |
01:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: probably all faded now. |
01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol honestly, may be overkill for this task. it's more of a small potatoes sort of thing to allow some eager kid to get his feet wet and get some ratings |
01:44 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 'eizo' and 'barco' make almost usable lcds, for those applications |
01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
than for someone to try and senior developer all over it |
01:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
thats exactly what he is |
01:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
he's not senior - sent you his resume |
01:44 |
* |
asciilifeform owns a few 'eizo' |
01:44 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: yeah you are right the resolution on modern lcds is 'better' |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
the last trinitron knockoff, afaik, rolled off the conveyor in early '09. |
01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol i guess that may explain the vague approach. alrighty, we talk more tomorro or w/e, see what he wants to do. |
01:45 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
k |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
(somewhere in china, ntsc/pal picture tubes are still made. you don't want these.) |
01:45 |
decimation |
heh probably no shielding |
01:46 |
asciilifeform |
600 lines. |
01:46 |
frankenmint |
ok irl calls laterz |
01:46 |
decimation |
I suppose for the paupers who just need a screen cheap crt is cheaper than lcd |
01:47 |
asciilifeform |
was. |
01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
no it's not ? |
01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
an extra sq ft of floor space = cost. |
01:47 |
* |
asciilifeform can't find a usable crt for $maxint |
01:47 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit << you broke it, you buy it. |
01:47 |
asciilifeform |
(21+ in., trinitron, virginal) |
01:48 |
mircea_popescu |
how the fuck are you going to find virginal trinitrons, haven't been made for two decades |
01:48 |
decimation |
one that was 'new in box' forgotten in some attic? |
01:48 |
asciilifeform |
don't be so quick to say 'never.' i went recently to a junk peddler, he has a sealed in box 'vic-20.' |
01:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00076902 = 8.9975 BTC [+] |
01:49 |
asciilifeform |
same as the proverbial century-old wine bottles. |
01:49 |
asciilifeform |
'how can it exist, someone'd have drunk it up' |
01:49 |
dub |
mircea_popescu: I saw an ad on bitcoinity and wtfd |
01:49 |
dub |
appears to be some goog propaganda |
01:49 |
mircea_popescu |
you don't understand asciilifeform. europe sits on a lake of wine the size of michigan |
01:50 |
BingoBoingo |
And nao you're going to tell me Agent Broachwala loves the Jewish state in the Levant.... |
01:50 |
KODE_YETI |
<upme_boolcrap> auxiliary wives << redundancy |
01:51 |
BingoBoingo |
Today canned commenters called Ferguson protesters terrorists |
01:51 |
KODE_YETI |
asciilifeform: obtain and install << lolya and maintain |
01:51 |
decimation |
lol http://www.eizo.com/global/products/radiforce/gx540/index.html#tab02 << monitors need to be approved by FDA? |
01:51 |
assbot |
RadiForce GX540 | EIZO |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
lol i have that one! |
01:52 |
mircea_popescu |
nom nom nom |
01:52 |
decimation |
contrast ratio only 1.2k |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
the gov. approval thing is for use in surgeries |
01:52 |
decimation |
10x worse than trinitron |
01:52 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google hanley blockade terrorists |
01:52 |
gribble |
Military counter-intelligence unit monitored Elsipogtog anti-fracking ...: <http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/military-counter-intelligence-unit-monitored-elsipogtog-anti-fracking-protests-documents/>; Ferguson Highway Blockade Roundup (5:33PM CDT): <http://justinspoliticalcorner.tumblr.com/post/97170352027/ferguson-highway-blockade-roundup-5-33pm-cdt>; (1 more message) |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
that's a bit unfair. trinitron ~= theoretically infinite contrast ratio (save the odd stray electron) |
01:53 |
decimation |
well, I don't deny that resolution is important too |
01:53 |
asciilifeform |
(actually never mind, i have an earlier 'radiforce' in other room, 1600x1200) |
01:53 |
decimation |
but it seems that our 'upgraded' lcd displays lack what we had in the past |
01:53 |
KODE_YETI |
all i know is pressed shitboard |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
the 14-bit monochrome 'eizos' are quite unlike ordinary lcd |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
you can use them in a sunlit room, for instance. |
01:54 |
KODE_YETI |
hey who is upme_boolcrap ? |
01:54 |
KODE_YETI |
;;gettrust upme_boolcrap |
01:54 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user upme_boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=upme_boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=upme_boolcrap | Rated since: never |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
KODE_YETI: he's b00lcrap |
01:55 |
asciilifeform |
a fellow i know in meatspace. |
01:55 |
KODE_YETI |
ah yeah |
01:55 |
KODE_YETI |
hence keys comments |
01:55 |
BingoBoingo |
WHY HAS NO ONE ELSE TOLD STORIED ABOUT FBI??? |
01:55 |
KODE_YETI |
you're the only one so cursed |
01:55 |
asciilifeform |
(or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) |
01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
KODE_YETI: I have a masters degree in Library Science. This is not cursed. This is totally fucked by American Standards. |
01:56 |
KODE_YETI |
oh shit ozbot is totally still online |
01:56 |
BingoBoingo |
ozbot is. |
01:56 |
KODE_YETI |
DUDE |
01:57 |
asciilifeform |
fbi stories >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804607 |
01:57 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.' |
01:57 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) << This |
01:57 |
KODE_YETI |
<decimation> lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) << i dedicate my largest screen to emacs |
01:58 |
KODE_YETI |
<decimation> so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? << asciilifeform u fukn metal |
01:58 |
decimation |
KODE_YETI: yeah my pinky is starting to ache |
01:59 |
KODE_YETI |
decimation: capslock remap on os x |
01:59 |
BingoBoingo |
KODE_YETI: OSX is blaspemy |
01:59 |
KODE_YETI |
the "command" key on this altop has a hole in its black coating due to meta use |
01:59 |
BingoBoingo |
OSX is as much blasphemy as the devil |
01:59 |
KODE_YETI |
BingoBoingo: i just run emacs on whatever, man |
02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
And by devil I mean systemd |
02:00 |
KODE_YETI |
"os" be damned, emacs is my os |
02:00 |
decimation |
KODE_YETI: yeah but my pinky wants to hit shift instead of caps-lock, need to deactivate ctrl key |
02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, work on emacs chip |
02:00 |
KODE_YETI |
greenarrays |
02:00 |
KODE_YETI |
forth -> lisp -> life |
02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Work hard. |
02:00 |
BingoBoingo |
In my field. |
02:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Bring the cotton out to be sole. |
02:01 |
KODE_YETI |
i only work when there are $CURRENCY_UNITS on the table |
02:01 |
BingoBoingo |
KODE_YETI: Then explain VAN |
02:01 |
KODE_YETI |
lessons learned. |
02:01 |
BingoBoingo |
KODE_YETI: Can be leanrt maor |
02:01 |
KODE_YETI |
learn maori |
02:02 |
BingoBoingo |
KODE_YETI: Sorry I'm working on being trans ethic for useful ethicities |
02:02 |
decimation |
maori will help you negotiate with the british |
02:02 |
KODE_YETI |
and i'm working on stumbling home. nite all! |
02:03 |
asciilifeform |
'North, north-by-east, nor'-nor'-east, nor'-east-by-north, north-east, colonyAttention! / Come to tea, all the men, round the niuAttention!' |
02:03 |
asciilifeform |
(maori, obligatory, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pai_M%C4%81rire#The_chants ) |
02:03 |
assbot |
Pai Mrire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
02:06 |
BingoBoingo |
;;Knicker |
02:06 |
gribble |
Error: "Knicker" is not a valid command. |
02:06 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: lol |
02:07 |
BingoBoingo |
<decimation> maori will help you negotiate with the british << Didn't you hear??? Moiety Starved. Scottish is NOT profitab le.. |
02:07 |
BingoBoingo |
And I just passed 4 liters of fart gas right nao. |
02:09 |
BingoBoingo |
;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -3 confusion, correctable. In the interim What the Fuck's Sake |
02:09 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 2 to -3. |
02:10 |
mircea_popescu |
later gang. |
02:10 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
?? |
02:10 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
care to elaborate |
02:11 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: Just confusion between parties you've sold pool too and people you've offered to sell pool |
02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Margin for clearing this is very low |
02:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I am not selling anyhting |
02:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I just identify talent |
02:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
perhaps you misunderstand mu role |
02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
No, You don't sell things. You sell people. |
02:12 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I am doing all this pro bono btw |
02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
I think I understand, but I may misunderstand |
02:13 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes, I'm sure you do |
02:13 |
BingoBoingo |
That is incredibly likely. The world is fucked. California is falling off of the world. |
02:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
please explain how I created confusion |
02:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
if you'll read the emails I copied you on I have been quite clear - and ask if any clarification is required...crickets |
02:23 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno that you aren't trustworthy, I apparently was lead though (prolly by bad actors) to believe though that you are much older than you are. |
02:23 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
I am 33. Have been a recruiter since I was 18. what the hell does that have to do with it |
02:24 |
dub |
A similar belief in the mystical power to avert bullets had earlier been reported among Islamic groups in Africa and Asia[7] and America, such as the Ghost Shirt Movement. |
02:26 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
BingoBoingo - You know for a fact I made efforts to gain better clarity between parties from our pm earlier. All the recruitment I have done for b-a has been out of the kindness of my heart (which is a lot btw in terms of time spent - well over 60 hrs) |
02:26 |
dub |
where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion |
02:26 |
BingoBoingo |
RagnarDanneskjol: Much of the present irrelevant doubt, as opposed to relevant doubt connects to harvest of this irrelevant shit\ |
02:26 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
are you drinking? |
02:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Yes, are you not? |
02:27 |
dub |
what do we do sahib? idk boss pray shiney sky rocks don't kil us |
02:27 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y3RRJX.txt ) |
02:27 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
02:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
;;rate BingoBoingo -1 erroneous negrating under the influence |
02:28 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. |
02:29 |
dub |
RUI? |
02:31 |
fluffypony |
hah hah |
02:31 |
fluffypony |
took me a few minutes to get that |
02:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00076417 = 18.7604 BTC [-] {2} |
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03:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0007665 = 13.6437 BTC [+] {2} |
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~ 26 minutes ~ |
03:49 |
KODE_YETI |
ratings cannot be erroneous |
03:49 |
KODE_YETI |
and RagnarDanneskjol can't in2 dat variety |
03:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
erroneous in that the reasons cited have no basis in reality. but good point |
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04:46 |
Apocalyptic |
such rating drama |
04:58 |
fluffypony |
;:rate Apocalyptic -2832837297193912 just because drama |
04:58 |
Apocalyptic |
dat fluffypony |
04:58 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
05:00 |
Apocalyptic |
how's monero these days ? |
05:03 |
fluffypony |
good |
05:03 |
fluffypony |
got it working on FreeBSD |
05:03 |
fluffypony |
all compiles except gtest that explodes |
05:04 |
punkman |
I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! |
05:05 |
fluffypony |
such trade |
05:08 |
punkman |
fluffypony: there was some pool site that had XMR, but it linked to some bitmonero thing |
05:09 |
punkman |
what's with all these clones |
05:09 |
fluffypony |
pool site? |
05:10 |
fluffypony |
bitmonero == monero, the guy that launched it wanted merged mining and other bullshit, the community voted against it, he tried to put it in anyway, so we forked it away from him into Monero |
05:10 |
fluffypony |
also because Monero = coin in Esperanto, so Bitmonero literally means Bitcoin |
05:10 |
fluffypony |
which is kinda stupid |
05:10 |
punkman |
oic |
05:14 |
punkman |
mining side looks like botnet heaven |
05:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.0007668 = 29.3684 BTC [+] {2} |
05:26 |
fluffypony |
punkman: indeed - although the GPU miners are starting to ramp up a bit |
05:26 |
punkman |
is it even 50% faster with GPU? |
05:27 |
fluffypony |
faster yes, but performance-per-watt is really how you want to measure it |
05:27 |
punkman |
right, aren't the CPUs better in that regard? |
05:27 |
fluffypony |
and in that respect CryptoNight achieves its stated goal of reducing the performance gap between CPUs, GPUs, and ASICs |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
for the moment yes |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
we're not at the upper bound of GPU performance, although we're reasonably close |
05:28 |
xmj |
fluffypony: how are you getting along with the FreeBSD port? :) |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
xmj: it's done, it compiles and works, the only thing I'm fighting with are some stupid oddities in the testing code |
05:29 |
punkman |
are you the guy that funded that kid with the miner optimizations? |
05:29 |
xmj |
fluffypony: nice! |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
xmj: http://i.imgur.com/3SvgH3a.png |
05:29 |
xmj |
fluffypony: did you put it in net-p2p/bitmonero? |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
punkman: no? |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
xmj: once I'm done fixing tests and I've committed the changes to master I will |
05:30 |
xmj |
neat |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
oh punkman - are you talking about dga? |
05:30 |
xmj |
fluffypony: here have a link: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/book.html#makefile-master_sites-github-description |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
he's not a kid :) |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/cv.pdf |
05:30 |
fluffypony |
xmj: cool got it |
05:30 |
* |
xmj goes back to fiddling with Subversion |
05:31 |
xmj |
...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap |
05:32 |
fluffypony |
here we go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.msg7987642#msg7987642 |
05:32 |
assbot |
rpietila Altcoin Observer |
05:32 |
fluffypony |
"Note that GPUs *do* outperform CPUs, of course -- it's just that it's only a factor of two or three. Which is pretty remarkable. And an ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge." |
05:33 |
xmj |
wait.. what? |
05:33 |
fluffypony |
xmj: Monero's PoW |
05:33 |
xmj |
ah |
05:33 |
* |
xmj goes back to fiddling with stuff... f'realz |
05:34 |
punkman |
fluffypony: oooh, he was all like "back to school" and I assumed <20 |
05:35 |
fluffypony |
lol I know |
05:35 |
fluffypony |
oh well, even associate professors at CMU have to make money somehow :-P |
05:48 |
punkman |
fluffypony: was reading that blogpost again, got an idea. Someone should come up with quirky PoW, and manufacture a hardware miner before launching the coin. Then they slowly ramp up the hashrate, start selling the hardware when profits level off. |
05:49 |
fluffypony |
90% of the time when there's a quirky PoW it's inevitably a scam |
05:49 |
fluffypony |
not all the time |
05:49 |
fluffypony |
but often |
06:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0007622 = 17.683 BTC [-] {2} |
06:09 |
fluffypony |
xmj: help plx |
06:09 |
xmj |
with? |
06:09 |
fluffypony |
ok so I'm trying to create the Makefile |
06:10 |
fluffypony |
and looking at Bitcoin's one it seems overly complex |
06:10 |
fluffypony |
I mean, the USE_GITHUB stuff means that I really only need 5 lines, and it builds out the box |
06:10 |
xmj |
do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools |
| |
↖ |
06:10 |
xmj |
it has port(1), which can do `port create`, and `port test` |
06:11 |
xmj |
it used to have port submit, but that died with GNATS and send-pr(1) |
06:11 |
xmj |
also, i maintain it, so if you find any bugs i can fix them on the fly...:p |
06:11 |
fluffypony |
lol ok cool |
06:11 |
fluffypony |
so once it's created how will I submit it? |
06:11 |
fluffypony |
manually? |
06:12 |
xmj |
you create a shar like so: |
06:12 |
xmj |
cd /usr/ports/net-p2p |
06:12 |
xmj |
shar `find bitmonero` > bitmonero__$version.shar |
06:13 |
xmj |
then you file a bug with bugzilla -- https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ports%20Tree |
06:13 |
assbot |
Log in to Bugzilla |
06:13 |
xmj |
and give it some description like [NEW PORT] net-p2p/bitmonero: [include COMMENT= from Makefile here] |
06:14 |
xmj |
once you're done with that you can assign it to me and i'll take it from there |
06:14 |
fluffypony |
ok cool |
06:16 |
xmj |
yup |
06:17 |
xmj |
before you submit, try `make check-plist` to see if there's anything missing in pkg-plist, and `make package` to see if there's anything that is in pkg-plist that's not actually built into the package |
06:17 |
xmj |
that's, like, the crashcourse in FreeBSD port maintainership. :) |
06:18 |
fluffypony |
lol |
06:18 |
fluffypony |
got it |
06:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00076522 = 12.2221 BTC [+] |
06:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8828 @ 0.00076524 = 6.7555 BTC [+] {2} |
06:52 |
danielpbarron |
https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/509986011360030720 |
06:52 |
assbot |
I would very much enjoy reading Mircea Popescu's reply to the letter in this post: http://t.co/MndDYtNb9w < you can imagine the SPANK! |
06:55 |
xmj |
fluffypony: how good will 30GHash/s butterfly labs ASICs work with bitmonero? |
06:56 |
fluffypony |
xmj: it won't at all, it's a different PoW |
06:56 |
xmj |
i see |
06:56 |
xmj |
friend of mine's got a spare, doesn't know what to do with it |
07:00 |
xmj |
hm |
07:00 |
xmj |
http://www.nzz.ch/mehr/digital/libertaere-visionaere-aus-crypto-valley-1.18380940 |
07:00 |
assbot |
Zuger Internet-Unternehmer: Libertre Visionre aus Crypto Valley - Digital Nachrichten - NZZ.ch |
07:01 |
xmj |
that one points out johann gevers, south african digital crypto stuff entrepreneur |
07:01 |
xmj |
is he a name one should recognize? |
07:05 |
fluffypony |
never heard of him |
07:06 |
fluffypony |
http://monetas.net/team/ |
07:06 |
assbot |
Monetas – Team |
07:06 |
fluffypony |
if it's that guy then he's in Switzerland |
07:06 |
fluffypony |
maybe born in ZA |
07:07 |
fluffypony |
the only guys in ZA that have done anything notable are the BitX guys, but meh |
07:07 |
xmj |
but meh |
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07:55 |
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Bet placed: 3.00640086 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.25130486 BTC. Current weight: 86,761. |
08:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00076749 = 7.5214 BTC [+] |
08:08 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/09/11/video-jtagulator-introduction-and-demonstration/ |
08:08 |
assbot |
Video: JTAGulator introduction and demonstration | Dangerous Prototypes |
08:18 |
punkman |
http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/10/wtf-is-a-u2/ |
08:18 |
assbot |
Apple Just Uploaded A U2 Album To Your iPhone And iPad — And Seriously, WTF | TechCrunch |
08:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00076749 = 6.9842 BTC [+] |
08:25 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo didja just drunkrate RagnarDanneskjol or what was that |
08:27 |
mircea_popescu |
dub: where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion << quite. just like the forum retards, the general response of the primitive mind to "o boy, this guy's so much better than you, better learn how to suck cock" is "lalala i can't hear anything" |
08:28 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman: I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! << dare i ask what xmr is or would that spoil the whole trader thing. |
08:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
08:29 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 471.6, Best ask: 472.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 472.45, 24 hour volume: 9612.17705410, 24 hour low: 470.1, 24 hour high: 491.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.983602007 |
08:31 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: that monero thing |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
oh i c |
08:31 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony: ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge. << if this is per watt, wouldn't it be quite huge ? |
08:31 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: not for CryptoNight, no |
08:32 |
fluffypony |
CPUs perform well if they have AES-NI |
08:32 |
fluffypony |
which is most of the modern ones |
08:32 |
dub |
mircea_popescu: there's also the problem of motivating a guy holding a stick to charge at muskets |
08:32 |
mircea_popescu |
what i mean is, i'm a kid with a computer, i have to pay $200 for a new video card, and each watt gives me 1 thing. this other kid pays $500 for a consumer asic, each watt gives him... 5 things. the price of a thing will reflect this, going to ~1/4 the price of a watt, making me able to buy a lot more things for my $200 directly than i'd get mining ? |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dub that's a solved problem, as you describe |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
which explains exactly the adaptive value of idiocy in large groups. |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the problem with the human species : that because we're monkeys, which means we use young men as basically building material |
08:33 |
mircea_popescu |
idiocy is socially valuable. |
08:34 |
mircea_popescu |
as individually poisonous as it may be. |
08:34 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: yes - but that's a capex cost, we're discussing the opex cost. At some point in the future when there actually are ASICs I suppose a ratio could be shown that includes the amortised cost of the hardware over time or something |
08:34 |
punkman |
aren't there plenty off-the-shelf hardware AES implementations? |
08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony but my point here is as to market price, which really rarely reflects opex over capex |
08:35 |
fluffypony |
punkman: it's not the only thing it uses |
08:35 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean don't get me wrong, active experimental research in "o yeah, those asics are that cool ?" is quite valuable and a good use of one's time. |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and i guess if 5x is the best so far then it's the best so far, and that's what it is |
08:36 |
mircea_popescu |
but i would have suspected 1.5x ish is more the range where it could be borne economically |
08:38 |
fluffypony |
punkman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yoovsi0gk9n88a/cryptonight_tmp.pdf |
08:38 |
assbot |
Dropbox - cryptonight_tmp.pdf |
08:38 |
fluffypony |
if you're really interested in the inner workings |
08:38 |
mircea_popescu |
(this based on history of human tech, the speed of difussion of tech inovations as a function of their added efficiency. for instance the iron plow was about 7-8x more efficient than the shit it replaced, and it took over practically in the same generation. meanwhile longbows were not 2x more effectual over cataphracts, and they took about a century to take over) |
08:39 |
punkman |
these cryptonote guys seem dedicated to crapcoins: https://cryptonote.org/coins/ |
08:39 |
assbot |
CryptoNote Currencies |
08:40 |
punkman |
heh step-by-step instructions for forking https://cryptonotestarter.org/inner.html |
08:40 |
assbot |
CryptoNote currency forking guide |
08:41 |
jurov |
xmj try altcoin? |
08:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"It is designed to have zero commercial value since its genesis block is replaced every 2 months." this is a pretty good way to do it, actually. |
08:42 |
jurov |
with the friend's miner i mean |
08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
"This coin's enthusiasts contribute to the applied aspects of the CryptoNote technology. It has been launched as a fork of Bytecoin in April 2014. Bitmonero/Monero was subject to a quarrel among the community members on the choice of name. Nevertheless, its contribution is valuable to CryptoNotes popularization. Moreover, it has the fastest block generation speed of 1 minute." |
08:43 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao that's relevant i'm sure. |
08:44 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo you feel like reading up on all this crap and produce a summary ? but i mean a good one, like a disertation level thing. |
08:46 |
mircea_popescu |
" but assuming you accept its technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks, in favor of a balance between CPU, GPU, and ASICs)" << stuff like that sounds like a total ouch. |
08:47 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony is your 5x estimate arrived at through some process or just taken from dga ? |
08:47 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: just taken from dga |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
the block flooding DoS attack doesn't work with Monero, at least not that we've been able to simulate |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
why is that ? |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
it's too aggressive in its consensus code |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
can you model this for me ? |
08:48 |
fluffypony |
it graylists peers that try submit a bad block |
08:48 |
mircea_popescu |
can i use this to graylist everyone ? |
08:49 |
fluffypony |
yes, but graylists expire |
08:49 |
fluffypony |
eventually |
08:49 |
mircea_popescu |
seems like moving the goalpost, it's still a dos |
08:49 |
fluffypony |
the point of the DoS is to burn CPU cycles and tie up the CPU of a peer |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
dos is dos, as long as you can't use a service because of a 3rd party it's a denial of service. |
08:50 |
fluffypony |
if you just want to DDoS them from a bandwidth perspective there are easier ways like LOIC |
08:50 |
fluffypony |
well that's what I'm saying - the block flooding DoS doesn't work |
08:50 |
fluffypony |
a LOIC attack woudl work |
08:50 |
mircea_popescu |
but it does work i nthe sense of, graylist dos. |
08:50 |
fluffypony |
or a SYN flood even |
08:50 |
* |
fluffypony shakes head |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
which way lol |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
i can't see you :D |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
you can't reconnect as a new IP fast enough |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
in other words |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
I have 12 peers connected to me |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you can't ? (i dunno, i'm asking) |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
when I graylist you then you have to reconnect to me from a new peer and submit a bad block |
08:51 |
fluffypony |
rinse-repeat |
08:51 |
mircea_popescu |
this isn't what i meant earlier. |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
can i craft blocks and announce them so that the entire fucking network ends up graylisting each other |
08:52 |
fluffypony |
no |
08:52 |
fluffypony |
you'll get graylisted |
08:52 |
fluffypony |
nobody will rebroadcast it |
08:52 |
fluffypony |
so you get isolated |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but in the interval where people stil don |
08:52 |
mircea_popescu |
t know yet if the block is any good ? |
08:53 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: so you send bad block to everyone at once, yes? |
08:53 |
fluffypony |
in the 0.03 seconds it takes the peer to verify the block you won't even have completed the handshake to send another block |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
" technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks" |
08:53 |
jurov |
everyone is DoSed for 0.03 seconds and you're graylisted |
08:53 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony so are you basically saying he's just talking nonsense ? |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
no, we theorised that the attack was possible |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov i dunno, i'm trying to clarify this claim. |
08:54 |
jurov |
fluffypony: what about ipv6? practically unlimited number of addresses |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony ok, so if we accept this avenue exists, then a blacklisting scheme would not logically be expected to resolve it, just move the problem. |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a purely logical approach, i have nfi of how it practically works |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
mircea_popescu: well Bitcoin's solution to the problem is to use SHA2 |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
so that less CPU is burnt |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
for the same attack |
08:54 |
fluffypony |
both are equally "susceptible" |
08:54 |
mircea_popescu |
yes |
08:55 |
fluffypony |
so the mitigation is the same |
08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically you're saying the technical tradeoff in question isn' treally trading anything worth the menton. |
08:55 |
fluffypony |
yes |
08:55 |
mircea_popescu |
aha okay. |
08:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i can arrive at a formulation of what the op thinks that i can integrate, it just takes an op that can answer questions for long enough :D |
08:56 |
fluffypony |
lol |
08:56 |
fluffypony |
welcome to b-a :-P |
08:57 |
mircea_popescu |
thanks i plan to spend a lot of time here |
08:57 |
fluffypony |
you really should |
08:57 |
fluffypony |
sometimes there is even pronz in the channel |
08:57 |
fluffypony |
and indian girls looking for free flight tickets |
08:58 |
mircea_popescu |
oh my |
08:58 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google wolves and bears of my |
08:58 |
gribble |
Natural Trap Cave: prehistoric lions, dire wolves, and bears, oh my ...: <http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0724/Natural-Trap-Cave-prehistoric-lions-dire-wolves-and-bears-oh-my>; Lions and gray wolves and bears? Oh, my! | News-Gazette.com: <http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2014-08-26/lions-and-gray-wolves-and-bears-oh-my.html>; Cougars and wolves and bears...oh my - (1 more message) |
08:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00076799 = 14.9758 BTC [+] {2} |
08:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx-nDCZzLo |
08:59 |
assbot |
Judy Garland: Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my! (The Wizard Of Oz, 1939) - YouTube |
08:59 |
mircea_popescu |
here we go, useless bumgle. |
08:59 |
fluffypony |
lol |
09:01 |
mircea_popescu |
lions in the fucking forest. huzzah for all teh lernin'. |
09:01 |
thestringpuller |
today mircea_popescu exhibits symptoms of amnesia |
09:02 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway this dga fellow should be here. someone invite him |
09:04 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19301957 = 0.9651 BTC [+] {3} |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#825979 << this is like the first intelligent thing i've seen xmj say, but it is impressive. |
09:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-09-2014 10:10:37; xmj: do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools |
09:04 |
mircea_popescu |
(i mean the whole monologue, not just the one line) |
09:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.194815 = 1.1689 BTC [+] {5} |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif |
09:05 |
nubbins` |
my sides |
09:06 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19703837 = 0.9852 BTC [+] {5} |
09:07 |
fluffypony |
nubbins`: at least they're being useful and helping with cleaning |
09:07 |
nubbins` |
nod |
09:07 |
nubbins` |
Swiffer PetJet |
09:08 |
nubbins` |
another one here somewhere |
09:08 |
nubbins` |
http://imgur.com/sXZux7B |
09:08 |
assbot |
imgur: the simple image sharer |
09:09 |
nubbins` |
what's the word for when something is made to look like a human? |
09:09 |
nubbins` |
tip of my tongue |
09:10 |
nubbins` |
anthropomorphism |
09:10 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00076749 = 9.7087 BTC [-] |
09:10 |
fluffypony |
I was going to go for greenpeace |
09:10 |
fluffypony |
O.o |
09:11 |
nubbins` |
orcapomorphism |
09:11 |
nubbins` |
wait |
09:11 |
nubbins` |
orcamorphism? |
09:11 |
punkman |
aye |
09:12 |
mircea_popescu |
o hay beautyon_ ! Le never fails to unintentionally entertain, but really, that's one you should prolly blog. |
09:14 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif <<< bwahhah cat magnet |
09:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11593 @ 0.00076749 = 8.8975 BTC [-] |
09:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.199 = 0.796 BTC [+] |
09:15 |
nubbins` |
:D |
09:21 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3} |
09:22 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. |
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~ 31 minutes ~ |
09:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2010101 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2} |
09:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.19315992 = 9.0785 BTC [-] {5} |
10:01 |
thestringpuller |
when will assbot have !bait |
10:01 |
thestringpuller |
!bait |
10:01 |
thestringpuller |
:( |
10:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/b56dc09335df5284be9ffc571b1b2a3e/tumblr_mn5gg0b2Ki1r28s53o1_1280.png here. |
10:03 |
thestringpuller |
yay! |
10:11 |
assbot |
kolinko +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
10:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!up kolinko |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko np. what brings you here ? |
10:16 |
mircea_popescu |
(you the appcodes kolinko ?) |
10:16 |
kolinko |
yes |
10:17 |
kolinko |
I founded Orisi two months ago (orisi.org) - it's a framework for building smart contracts |
10:17 |
mircea_popescu |
if you prove that i'll rate you, then you can self voice |
10:17 |
kolinko |
cool, will do that in a few minutes |
10:18 |
kolinko |
and I'm thinking of building a bitcoin smart contract for put/call options |
10:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the contract ain';t the problem there. |
10:19 |
kolinko |
what's the problem then? |
10:20 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2319997 = 0.696 BTC [-] |
10:21 |
kolinko |
(the idea is that a smart contract would be protected by a set of trustworthy individuals - no reliance on a single point of failure) |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ read the misc section. |
10:22 |
assbot |
MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
10:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and when you're done with that, to put things in perspective for you, mpex carried about 1mn total btc worth of options over a coupla years. |
10:24 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
also, 'trustworthy' is rather subjective |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
a "single point of failure" is a trustworthy individual by definition anyway. |
10:25 |
kolinko |
mircea_popescu - confirmation that I'm the appcodes kolinko: twitter.com/kolinko |
10:25 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
haha |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate kolinko appcodes guy |
10:25 |
gribble |
Error: 'appcodes' is not a valid integer. |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate kolinko 1 appcodes guy |
10:25 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kolinko has been recorded. |
10:25 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko id with gribble, pm assbot !up you get voice. |
10:25 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh i see nao |
10:28 |
kolinko |
mircea: I'll read the misc in a sec. as for your volume - I know it well - I'm your user since 2012 iirc |
10:29 |
kolinko |
the idea for the distributed contract was that if I want to build a business that relies on options, such a business shouldn't rely on a single individual/company |
10:29 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem with this approach is that if they're to be trusted they're sops by definition, and vice-versa. |
10:30 |
kolinko |
well, but if we had a panel of 15 trustworthy individuals, with a consensus of more than 50% of them required to release the fund |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
sybil attacks, and why would they be arsed to care about your needs. |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
these aren't simple problems, and they're unsimple for fundamental reasons, it's not a matter of implementation. |
10:30 |
mircea_popescu |
circle cvadrature is not a question of "get better draing tools" |
10:31 |
mircea_popescu |
drawing* |
10:31 |
kolinko |
well, sybil attack is really only a problem in systems that rely on anonymous parties |
10:32 |
kolinko |
as for why would be they arsed - for provision/payment of course |
10:32 |
jurov |
lol how would panel of 15 trustworthy individuals come up with bitcoin vwap to be used for option exercises? |
10:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6683 @ 0.00076749 = 5.1291 BTC [-] |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
you are wrong in the first. sybil attacks are a problem on all systems that rely on identity to any degree. |
10:32 |
kolinko |
the same way it happens now with centralised systems? |
10:32 |
mircea_popescu |
in any form and in any way. |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
and the arsed problem is not something to brush aside. the better your sybil protection, the more expensive their pointless expense. |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
so they won't be arsed. |
10:33 |
jurov |
kolinko it currently does not happen, that's the problem |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov well... it happened with libor :D |
10:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lotta trusted parties involved there. lulz. |
10:34 |
kolinko |
jurov: the idea is that you agree on an algorithm beforehand, and everyone uses the same one |
10:34 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, sybil attacks are specifically not a problem in anon systems. if you go for a romp in a gay cinema, to be fucked by a random man, it makes no difference to you who fucks you, so you can't be sybil'd by definition. |
10:35 |
kolinko |
lol |
10:35 |
mircea_popescu |
lol all you will, tis true :) |
10:35 |
kolinko |
:) |
10:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
trust is a commodity |
10:36 |
mircea_popescu |
now, if you want to go back and get diddled by THE SAME GUY AS LAST TIME, you're in for it. |
10:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
it can be sold out anytime |
10:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
just sometimes the price aint what it seems |
10:36 |
kolinko |
what I meant is - if you have a system of 15 parties, each one of them signing messages with their own gpg keys, that can be quite secure against the sybil attack. the attacker would have to steal keys of 8 independent parties. |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
people tend to easily forget what identity means. here it is : =. every time you're using an equality sign, numerical, logical or otherwise you're relying on identity. cuz that's what it is. |
10:37 |
kolinko |
collution between parties is another matter of course |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko no, because how do you get the 15 parties ? |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
what if one wants to join ? were they 8 at some point ? 6 ? |
10:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
collusion + pollution = collution? |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
if god gave us 15 pilars then that'd be that |
10:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves lmao |
10:38 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko if you have a process to go from 1 party to two, then you have a sybil problem. and to have 15 you necessarily must have had that process. |
10:39 |
kolinko |
not necessarily |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
unless you've revolutionized counting, yes. |
10:39 |
mircea_popescu |
this is fundamental mathematics we're discussing here. |
10:40 |
kolinko |
you can create the list of 15 all at once. people wouldn't trust the list because they saw it being created. they trust the list, because they can review it one by one, and see that all the individuals are indeed trustworthy |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
:/ |
10:41 |
kolinko |
in other words - you don't trust the list of 15 people because the list of 14 people said that you should trust it. you trust the list because you can see who's on it, and they look trustworthy. |
10:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
why are we making lists and giving things to 15 people? i guess i better read the logs, is this OT or something? |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
"all at once" ? what is this. |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
simultaneity in reality ? through what magic ? |
10:41 |
mircea_popescu |
and anyway, if "you" create it then you're just counting from 1 to 15. |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves nah, he's just trying to solve a fundamental problem through implementation and got blindsided by a theoretical exposition of it. |
10:42 |
kolinko |
you're nitpicking. what I meant is that it doesn't matter who created the list and how. what matters is whether the list really contains gpg keys of the people, and whether the people on the list want to participate |
10:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
decentralization as an ideal doesnt really exist, it's just a degree of centralization |
10:42 |
mircea_popescu |
but this also happens to be the definition of a sybil vulnerability. |
10:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
which in turn is just order against chaos |
10:43 |
kolinko |
well, every system is breakable. it's just a question of probability |
10:43 |
mircea_popescu |
hence my comment about them being arsed to put up with the cost of the defense. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and for that matter : the spf system is not breakable. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
this is the main advantage of an overlord that the decentralize fanboys tend to ignore. if you have a good overlord, the system is unbreakable period. |
10:44 |
mircea_popescu |
not a question of any probabilities. |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
til a nuke lands on your head at least |
10:45 |
kolinko |
the problem is that the overlord can disappear at any time |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves but see, if you delete the program, you can't say you've broken the code. |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
fair enough |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
a system that either works as intended or not at all is the holy grail of unbreakability. |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko yes. |
10:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
but arent we discussing sustainability of a system? |
10:45 |
mircea_popescu |
well it's reasonably unclear what we're actually discussing. |
10:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
10:46 |
kolinko |
as for people being bothered into doing this - it's a valid question, but one that can only be answered by trying it in practice |
10:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
for me, arguing against centralization as a broad value is silly |
10:46 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, it can actually be answered in theory too. just, it gets esoteric quickly. |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
these are just system design factors |
10:47 |
kolinko |
:) |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
not ideals or such |
10:47 |
kolinko |
what I'm really trying to figure out is whether people would be willing to try such a system |
10:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
people will try anything if youre wearing the right clothes |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
i wouldn't. |
10:47 |
mircea_popescu |
but some people might, sure. |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
imo the avenue to this standardisation is, once moloko delivers the registrar of deeds, and if indeed we want to do a lot of option trade, |
10:48 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll just work from there relying on the wot and that. |
10:49 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/tango-on-avenida-corrientes-buenos-aires/ |
10:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but really, there doesn't seem to be that much demand for options once the darkpool and bitbet respectively take the slack. |
10:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
so at first i was frustrated at this 1bTCXE trading challenge because basically what it is is they gave everyone a fake account with half BTC / half USD credits and people are set wild to trade the assets. However, there is no tie to the real market so it's mostly a psychological/economical experiment. In this case, is there theory on how such a market would play out? |
10:51 |
mircea_popescu |
read up on schelling ? |
10:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
only light exposure |
10:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
i know the concept, but how do i see the point? |
10:51 |
The20YearIRCloud |
mircea_popescu: re : keynesians - they still seem to be popular in the US. Alot worship at the temple |
10:52 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: re: tango piece: did you take the creature home as a pet ? |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform did not. too old. |
10:52 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
10:52 |
kolinko |
let's say that I wanted to build a business that relies on options... a web wallet that maintains the users' bitcoin balance stable in relation to usd (e.g. I put $100 worth of btc into the wallet, and after a year I'm almost guaranteed to be able to withdraw $100, regardless of bitcoin price) |
10:52 |
mircea_popescu |
experience shows girl under 30 or so has a lot of trouble reeducating. |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
over* |
10:53 |
kolinko |
such a business would require option trading on the backend. but how could it trade options securely, as of today? |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko either on otc or maybe make bitbet bets. |
10:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
kol - it wouldn't be hard as long as you had a option to withdraw the USD |
10:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
We've kind of looked at something like that, but offering USD denominated bonds sold via bitcoin |
10:53 |
mircea_popescu |
or i guess by trading the x.eur delivered future, if you can actually take delivery. |
10:53 |
kolinko |
bitbet is centralised, and the business would have to rely on bitbet not failing, right? |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
the price of the vol on the puts is too high |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
all trade relies on your conterparty not running off. but yes. |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
doesn't matter where you source it |
10:54 |
kolinko |
otc is hard to do automatically/hard to scale, or am I wrong? |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
i'll sell to you on whatever platform you want |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
but you'll drown in vol premium |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones bitbet is seriously not that expensive. 1% + time value. |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
that's a good point, bitbet is your cheapest option |
10:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it is, yes. |
10:54 |
los_pantalones |
standard vanilla options much more expensive |
10:55 |
kolinko |
some good ideas here, thanks :) |
10:55 |
jurov |
kolinko we did not solve the exercise price yet (which was mpoe's undoing) |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones the eur future is actually even cheaper, arguably. |
10:55 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
if you must oracle, aristocracy is your best bet kolinko: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_2_53902 |
10:55 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
10:55 |
mircea_popescu |
course doing a synth option on a future is fucking tricky. |
10:56 |
jurov |
how are these 15 people work on untrustworthy data from exchanges? |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov honestly, if you actually had 15 people that were there assembled for merit, not just random derpage |
10:56 |
jurov |
regardless of you using bitbet or otc |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
i'd rather trust their fixing than exchanges. |
10:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you know how fixing works right ? |
10:57 |
kolinko |
well, the most expensive variant would be to rely on humans |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, like with sex and food. |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
the most expensive variant is to get actual sex and actual food. |
10:57 |
kolinko |
i.e. each of the 15 operators provides the btc price, and the average is chosen after throwing away the extremes |
10:57 |
jurov |
yes, if these people can back the fixed price then it would go well |
10:57 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko read up on fixing. srsly. |
10:58 |
jurov |
but then that's different thing than some deciding oracle |
10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
the thing that annoys me most about contemporaneity is that somehow it got convinced nothing pre ww2 ever happened. nfi why. so many excellent implementations of good solutions seem to just vanish in the general knowledge. |
10:58 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov quite different yes. |
10:59 |
kolinko |
it's still more secure than trusting a single party to provide the price, isn't it? |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
only if you have a good selection of 15. |
10:59 |
jurov |
!up mats_cd03 |
10:59 |
mircea_popescu |
like you knolw, two girls are a better fuck than just one. provided they're not insane. |
10:59 |
mats_cd03 |
kolinko: funny enough, thats how LIBOR was pegged. didya catch how LIBOR ended up rigged? |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 i maintain it's free money that did it. |
11:00 |
kolinko |
:) well, to really break the system you'd need 8 of 15 conspire without the other 7 discovering that |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. |
11:00 |
mats_cd03 |
what is with you and this magic 15 number. i don't get it |
11:00 |
kolinko |
mats_cd03 didn't know about that. any link to the story? (or I can google) |
11:00 |
mircea_popescu |
three times the five talmudic pillars ? |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
one for each form of the trinity ? |
11:01 |
kolinko |
if you have 100 nobody will be bother to independently verify the list. 5 is too few. also, 15 is a technical limit - the max number of sigs for bitcoin multisig wallet is 15 |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
ahahahaaha WHAT |
11:01 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit what is wrong with these derps. |
11:02 |
mats_cd03 |
why not 11. come on, it works for the judicial system in the US! |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
"o i know, instead of specifying this "hairball" we keep blaming on satoshi... how about we add... MORE MAGIC NUMBERS!!11" |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
fucktards. |
11:02 |
jurov |
kolinko again..these 15 say "the price at time T is P becuase.. some bullshit" |
11:02 |
jurov |
1000s worth of option exercise based on that |
11:02 |
mats_cd03 |
oops... not 11... anyway. |
11:02 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly, the "multisig" thing has an arbitrary 15 limit ? |
11:02 |
jurov |
now you think the price was not fair |
11:02 |
jurov |
what now? |
11:03 |
kolinko |
mircea: 15 or 16. would have to check it again. but yeah, seriously |
11:03 |
* |
mats_cd03 has forgotten all his American Constitutional Law, even basics |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko shame on you for seriously thinking of pushing this crap downstream, seriously now. |
11:03 |
mircea_popescu |
"the limit some idiots put in is 15 so now i'm going to make it part of my brain" ? what is wrong with you! |
11:04 |
kolinko |
I'm not saying this is the best possible solution, only that it might be the most practical one |
11:04 |
mircea_popescu |
code in such a way you won't be ashamed to show what you've written to your kids or the woman that may potentially carry them. |
11:04 |
mats_cd03 |
tell me why i would trust even 8 of 15 folks in this system |
11:05 |
mats_cd03 |
and don't fucking say its because there are 15 of them. |
11:05 |
kolinko |
mats: you'd check the list one by one, and you'd determine that each one of them seems reasonable |
11:05 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
seems legit |
11:05 |
kolinko |
and that all of them are quite unlikely to collude |
11:05 |
punkman |
if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman you're starting to sound like the girls :D |
11:06 |
mats_cd03 |
unless i have a handler that knows where they live, who their friends are, where their assets are kept, trusting that many individuals seems a tricky proposition. trusting just one is hard enough |
11:06 |
kolinko |
no trust in the central authority / list creator. you'd see some folks with a high WoT rating, some bitcointalk hero members, some known businesspeople, and of course 8 of them would be us senators. |
11:06 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit |
11:07 |
mats_cd03 |
heh hero members |
11:07 |
kolinko |
:) oh come on, you know what I mean |
11:07 |
punkman |
8 US senators? |
11:07 |
mircea_popescu |
well i guess mpoe-pr was a hero... member. |
11:07 |
punkman |
stepping up the troll game? |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman barney frank, of "i fuck little boys" fame, comes to mind |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
after all, he recently wrote a mega-piece of us trollery didn't he. |
11:08 |
mircea_popescu |
well, co-author. |
11:08 |
mats_cd03 |
i can't tell if you're trolling anymore |
11:08 |
mats_cd03 |
10/10 masterful execution m8 |
11:08 |
thestringpuller |
i need about tree fiddy |
11:08 |
kolinko |
you wouldn't really need to trust them to handle funds, just for them to be unable to conspire with eachother |
11:09 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
better to go with british monarchy - at least you can find their parents if all goes to hell |
11:09 |
asciilifeform |
for them to be unable to conspire with eachother << what'll you do? search their rectums for radios, then build each into own oubliette ? |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, a system with charles and barney frank. |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
no this is starting to sound better and better. i hope they make a mars lander. |
11:09 |
mircea_popescu |
could that nut with virgin be part of it too ? he is a businessman, after a fashion. |
11:10 |
mircea_popescu |
he knows how to make a small fortune out of things, provided he has a large one to start with. |
11:10 |
kolinko |
it's not about creating a system that's impossible to cheat, it's about creating a system that's too hard to cheat |
11:10 |
jurov |
i'd vouch for assbot to be included |
11:10 |
jurov |
the most trusted bot in the WoT |
11:11 |
kolinko |
:) |
11:11 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko you're so far making a system that's too hard not to laugh at. |
11:11 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24218749 = 1.9375 BTC [+] {2} |
11:11 |
mats_cd03 |
https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf an oldie but still good. 'on the impossibility of obfuscating programs.' |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones let me guess, the situation is that calls you don't really know how to price and so don't really want to sell and puts you can price perfectly well and nobody can afford ? |
11:12 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 nu-uh, there's ioncube! |
11:13 |
kolinko |
did you read a piece by Gavin on bit-thereum? http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/06/bit-thereum.html - he's arguing for a similar thing |
11:13 |
assbot |
GavinTech: Bit-thereum |
11:13 |
kolinko |
(a proof by authority: yay! ) |
11:13 |
mircea_popescu |
well gavin doesn't enjoy much of a reputation for a thinker around here, but let's see. |
11:14 |
mats_cd03 |
b-b-but, my brain work g-g-good... |
11:14 |
mod6 |
t-t-t-today Junior! |
11:15 |
mircea_popescu |
meh. guy's just jotting down random thoughts. they are pretty broken, but can't judge one on that. anyway. |
11:15 |
jurov |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UdOn2VunQ |
11:15 |
assbot |
SNAP! - World in my Hands - YouTube |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. |
11:16 |
mircea_popescu |
doubt you read it, prolly exactly what you're looking for re the btcxe thing |
11:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00076808 = 5.5302 BTC [+] |
11:17 |
mats_cd03 |
not to be a douchebag, or anything, kolinko, but i am reminded of this American serial Boardwalk Empire |
11:18 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
great book - here's pdf: http://nazbol.net/library/authors/Thomas%20Schelling/The%20Strategy%20of%20Conflict.pdf |
11:18 |
mats_cd03 |
main character, an old fuck named Nucky, says to a useless subordinate |
11:18 |
mats_cd03 |
'Shut the fuck up Donny, you're out of your element.' |
11:18 |
kolinko |
I totally am, that's why I came to you guys to talk and learn |
11:19 |
kolinko |
"Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sorta good at something" -- Jake The Dog |
11:19 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol o hey nice, i had no idea it's floating around |
11:20 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Drunk rating, he tripped the paranoia alarms |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 he has a point, look at all the great discussion he caused. |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo well don't drunk rate eh. |
11:20 |
mats_cd03 |
oh wait... i think i'm referencing the wrong thing actually. seppeku. |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
thing is when you rate, you force everyone to evaluate things. some people precache, and do it on the spot, some others will do it over time. |
11:20 |
mircea_popescu |
consider the discussion with rithm re guruvan earlier. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 sepukku. |
11:21 |
mircea_popescu |
can't even speal. |
11:21 |
mats_cd03 |
doh |
11:22 |
mod6 |
discussion is good, reading ~900 days of logs is probably a pre-requisite |
11:22 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder how long that takes lol. |
11:23 |
mod6 |
lol. can't finish until you start :) |
11:23 |
mircea_popescu |
actually it's not even 900, only about 500 or so. logs start last year in spring. |
11:23 |
mod6 |
ah, ok. |
11:24 |
mircea_popescu |
the chan is old enough to have had nefario derping et all, but im not sure that's avail on website |
11:24 |
thestringpuller |
nefario: "I have this great idea guys. It's called GLBSE" |
11:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27894 @ 0.00076811 = 21.4257 BTC [+] {2} |
11:24 |
thestringpuller |
"If you have any assets you want to list email me!" |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen nefario |
11:25 |
gribble |
nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore |
11:25 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EJ7Z8Y.txt ) |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 5 |
11:25 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller brilliantly played, sir. |
11:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.24645726 = 2.711 BTC [+] {3} |
11:26 |
mats_cd03 |
!s muppetlabs |
11:26 |
assbot |
0 results for 'muppetlabs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=muppetlabs |
11:26 |
mats_cd03 |
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html and http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/rsa.html worth a read |
11:26 |
assbot |
A Whirlwind Tutorial on Creating Really Teensy ELF Executables for Linux |
11:27 |
assbot |
Prime Number Hide-and-Seek: How the RSA Cipher Works |
11:27 |
mircea_popescu |
not bad, |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
dude i had forgotten what a nice ass penny ford has |
11:28 |
mircea_popescu |
well... had. |
11:30 |
BingoBoingo |
k |
11:30 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
!up mats_cd03 |
11:30 |
kolinko |
(what's the etiquette if I'm going afk? !down to assbot ? ) |
11:30 |
mircea_popescu |
nah |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no etuiqueety, we're assholes. |
11:31 |
mats_cd03 |
penny ford, the negress? |
11:31 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 snap girl, jurov linked it earlier |
11:32 |
mats_cd03 |
good timing, now i feel like an asshole. |
11:33 |
mats_cd03 |
for anyone interested in .mil films or trashcanistan, restrepo + korengal are excellent and worth watching |
11:34 |
xmj |
moin |
11:34 |
xmj |
fluffypony: progress is going well, i suppose? |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up dooglus |
11:35 |
mircea_popescu |
o look who's there. |
11:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25282 @ 0.00076769 = 19.4087 BTC [-] {2} |
11:36 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00076719 = 0.7488 BTC [-] {2} |
11:40 |
fluffypony |
xmj: had to pause it to do other stuff, will pick it up again tomorrow |
11:40 |
fluffypony |
but at least it compiles and runs from github |
11:40 |
xmj |
that's good news! |
11:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00076812 = 21.2769 BTC [+] |
11:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. /// glad to see you say so, it's a point often missed in many circumstances. for example, some want to paint USG as a hyper conspiracy and assume all its evil/scammy actions are fully intentional. More likely, it just evolved to be a broken shit in all corners of its |
11:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
house, nurturing powers like overgrown weeds that now appear to make up the whole lawn. |
11:48 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought that was my stated perspective all through. |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+punkman> if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around /// oh lord! |
11:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves imagine if they also had tits. |
11:49 |
BingoBoingo |
http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/11/0041227/x-class-solar-flare-coming-friday << Time to practice your Em shielding |
11:49 |
assbot |
X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday - Slashdot |
11:50 |
* |
jurov puts on his tinfoil hat |
11:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. /// will check it out |
11:50 |
mircea_popescu |
fun fact : living in argentina confers a lot of immunity to flares :D |
11:53 |
mircea_popescu |
;;bc,stats |
11:53 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 320167 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29233824168.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.58142 |
11:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.232 = 2.32 BTC [-] {2} |
11:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
does AM even pay divs anymore? |
11:56 |
asciilifeform |
obligatory: |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard06.php |
11:57 |
assbot |
Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
'I turn the page on the excuse sheet. "SOLAR FLARES" stares out at me. I'd better read up on that.' |
11:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
last div was in March, heh |
11:57 |
xmj |
asciilifeform: BOFH excuse calendar fortune on terminal opening. |
11:57 |
xmj |
great fun. |
11:57 |
asciilifeform |
'"MAGNETS! Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets - Solar Flares hate that." "Wow! Thanks."' |
11:58 |
xmj |
asciilifeform: fortune /usr/local/share/games/fortune/bofh |
11:58 |
xmj |
I dare you. |
12:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share |
12:01 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.33692344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 638 satoshi per share |
12:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/b3a3dd1cbcd669da88f90b82eb61f19f/tumblr_n115a1cQcW1t9sgudo1_500.jpg grain! |
12:04 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: sovpr0n ? |
12:05 |
asciilifeform |
(not the 'genuine article,' clearly, but in the spirit of 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' for germans) |
12:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://brianmatthews60.blogspot.com/2014/03/ilsa-she-wolf-of-ss.html |
12:08 |
assbot |
Movie Ramble: Ilsa She Wolf of the SS. |
12:08 |
ThickAsThieves |
looks like some gnarly stuff |
12:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.25111536 = 13.058 BTC [+] {5} |
12:12 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.269 = 0.538 BTC [+] |
12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform lol i guess. |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves buncha sexploitations of the 70s, they're all pretty much the same thing. |
12:16 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen trilema |
12:16 |
gribble |
Februarie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/02>; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/>; Martie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/03> |
12:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7b1e31efb1da4ad0a1d9d0e1d467c1d/tumblr_n0dessqa1c1rs2onlo1_1280.jpg new chlamydia cure. |
12:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
get this: "CM was described as a "virtual company” by LTC-Global (and accordingly referred to as such in the CM Business Plan). However, as a matter of English law, CM may be considered a general partnership. If that is the case, then the 'shareholders' of CM - which includes yourself - would all be considered partners. As partners, they would all be jointly and severally liable for |
12:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
CM's debts, including the 'Bond'. It is therefore possible that 'bondholders' may seek to take legal action against CM's 'shareholders', including yourself, to seek to recover that debt. However, if 'bondholders' accept the restructure plan proposed below, that risk might be mitigated." |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
it continues to say shareholders get to vote on this move, (not bondholders) |
12:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg8732682#msg8732682 |
12:25 |
assbot |
[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
12:25 |
mircea_popescu |
that torturous pseudolegal interpretation has exactly no grounds to stand on. |
12:26 |
mircea_popescu |
isn't this the "uk busineswoman" of great repute that i "viciously attacked" for "no good reason" last year ? |
12:27 |
mircea_popescu |
kate/craig wood ? |
12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
yes |
12:27 |
ThickAsThieves |
owes me 150btc |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
12:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
not that i expect to see it |
12:28 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/f9532aaee443a7620f0f02ebc6a82753/tumblr_myxfk7hFOJ1t47ykxo1_250.gif |
12:28 |
nubbins` |
lel |
12:28 |
ThickAsThieves |
unsure whether legal pursuit would be worth it |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you could get his "woman of the year in buziness" trophy ? |
12:29 |
fluffypony |
probably more trouble than its worth |
12:29 |
ThickAsThieves |
she does seem to have assets |
12:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
oh yea |
12:29 |
mircea_popescu |
or maybe the uk could be forced to pay for having swindled the general public with pointless "women too" bullshit ? |
12:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
i never intended to hold the bonds long term, it was just a risky trade. btct closed while in the process of selling em off... |
12:30 |
ThickAsThieves |
lessons |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the way these "profits" go. |
12:30 |
mircea_popescu |
herpy derp, make 1% ten times then lose it all on the 11th pass. |
12:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
something like that |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
but people generally don't want to believe asshole "single points of failure", because decentralized wisdom tells them "it works just fine" |
12:31 |
mircea_popescu |
lyf. |
12:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wonder if more loss was caused by gov influence to shut down btc exchsnges, than if they remainded open |
12:36 |
mircea_popescu |
define loss. |
12:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
customers getting more bitcoins out |
12:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
as in if bf and btct werent shut down by USG, the lie may have played out to less loss |
12:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems |
12:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
with no real gain |
12:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
all i'm saying is if BTCT didnt close i woulda sold them shits! |
12:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
and then the Bitfunder thing is still a total mystery |
12:40 |
punkman |
passing the bad doesn't make it disappear |
12:40 |
punkman |
*bag |
12:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
indeed |
12:40 |
kolinko |
quick question re: trusted data feeds. is the problem generally in the api/site potentially getting hacked, or the algorithm for a computation of one being suspectible to manipulation? what's the problem with deciding that the btc/usd price is an average of btc-e, bitstamp & kraken, each adjusted for volume? |
12:41 |
punkman |
kolinko: the problem is all three might misplace their decimal points |
12:41 |
ThickAsThieves |
it happens |
12:41 |
punkman |
btw |
12:41 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2301 = 0.6903 BTC [-] {2} |
12:42 |
ThickAsThieves |
you see glitched trade feeds in an exchange every few mos |
12:42 |
punkman |
!search orisi |
12:42 |
assbot |
3 results for 'orisi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=orisi |
12:42 |
asciilifeform |
your isp also may succumb to temptation to nudge a decimal. |
12:42 |
punkman |
!search oracle |
12:42 |
assbot |
86 results for 'oracle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oracle |
12:42 |
kolinko |
punkman:wow, cool, thx |
12:44 |
kolinko |
thick: but isn't that a matter of a better averaging algorithm construction? e.g. if one of the exchanges is far away, we're suspending the feed until situation resolves (would obviously need to be more elaborate) |
12:45 |
mike_c |
and what do you do when the biggest exchange goes apeshit and has a price that is 50% different than the others for weeks? |
12:45 |
mike_c |
oh, wait, this is what happenned |
12:46 |
punkman |
and the bot is still suspended |
12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
it's worse now actually, |
12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
any notable movement on any of the 4 or so top exchanges will cause movement on the rest |
12:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
so one glitch would indeed have implications |
12:47 |
kolinko |
a failsafe rule for removal that one exchange from the computation? |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
what if its real? |
12:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
you gonna dictate the mkt now? |
12:48 |
kolinko |
or letting trusted humans solve the issue? or a requierement for both parties to figure out the agreement? |
12:48 |
ThickAsThieves |
people wanna do things like circuit-breakers, and curating the data somehow, it's all shit imo |
12:49 |
punkman |
kolinko, full circle back to OTC GPG contracts? |
12:49 |
kolinko |
arbitrage/human interventions work in the real world |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
<ThickAsThieves> i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems << bingo. |
12:49 |
mircea_popescu |
idiots losing their btc ohldings is a net plus for society. |
12:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00076768 = 21.3415 BTC [-] {2} |
12:50 |
nubbins` |
depends who they lose em to |
12:50 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, youre welcome society, for my earlier transgressions! |
12:50 |
mircea_popescu |
kolinko> quick question re: trusted data feeds what's the problem with deciding that << you know what wash trading is ? |
12:50 |
xmj |
KODE_YETI: you around yet? |
12:51 |
kolinko |
mircea_popescu: will go and read about it |
12:51 |
thestringpuller |
mod6: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/showbiz/rapper-arrested/ |
12:51 |
mircea_popescu |
the problem of trust is a very long and sensitive chain. creating a 99% functional chain still doesn't create a functional chain. |
12:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mircea_popescu> you know what wash trading is ? /// still happens quite obviously in btc exchanges |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
as to trusted humans, read up on fixing, as a pricing procedure. it's been explained in the logs a year ago, too |
12:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves and even without the major incentive of gaming a large options operation |
12:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
the margin and futures scene is heating up tho |
12:53 |
mircea_popescu |
in all the bad ways. |
12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
yep |
12:53 |
ThickAsThieves |
i watched these new chinese futures a lil and its basically being traded like btc, no real future sentiment at all |
12:54 |
kolinko |
ThickAsThieves: how is it heating up? where can I track news? (thx for answering all the basic questions) |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
all the chinese exchanges are no-fee |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
and now offering bonds |
12:54 |
ThickAsThieves |
cmon now |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
myup. |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
but hey, why should i worry about that :D |
12:54 |
mircea_popescu |
we have hard currency, let them fail, what's the problem. |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
BUT IF THEY'RE NO-FEE.... |
12:55 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wish you offered BTCUSD trading in some capacity |
12:55 |
kolinko |
arent those exchanges for kids with pocket change and fools? |
12:55 |
nubbins` |
kolinko remove the word "those" |
12:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves i won't without a submissive government, and then it'd be btc/that fiat. |
12:55 |
asciilifeform |
ThickAsThieves: usd is a 'tar baby' |
12:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
kolinko its hard to tell real exchange volume |
12:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
china def fakes/washes |
12:56 |
kolinko |
makes sense |
12:56 |
ThickAsThieves |
bfx has some kinda sneaky something going on |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
often limit orders not filling |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
they imported the icbit software lol |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
i do like bfx otherwise tho |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
well otherwise what's not to like. |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
miles better than any other exchange |
12:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i like mcdonalds otherwise too :D |
12:57 |
ThickAsThieves |
hehe |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think part of the bfx shenanigans lie in how they display one decimal place for USD in orderbook, but allow orders to specify 2 places |
13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves anyway, if you manage to get through the hoops on davout's exchange you can practically trade the eur |
13:00 |
ThickAsThieves |
does it haz leverage? |
13:01 |
ThickAsThieves |
and liquidity |
13:01 |
nubbins` |
probably the wrong crowd around for this, but any interest in a 2012-funded 25btc casascius coin w/ pgp docs? |
13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
interested, sure, just not interested in insane premiums it probably comes with |
13:02 |
ThickAsThieves |
whats that go for these days? |
13:03 |
ThickAsThieves |
+$5k? |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves afaik there's a liquidity bot, and im sure you can get better leverage elsewhere. |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` it's not really over 100 btc is it ?! |
13:08 |
nubbins` |
? nooo |
13:08 |
nubbins` |
ThickAsThieves: a 25btc coin selling for 10btc? :0 |
13:09 |
punkman |
10btc premium |
13:09 |
nubbins` |
oh, heh. |
13:09 |
nubbins` |
nah, around 28-30 would be more realistic |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
the 14k coin ? |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
not bad. |
13:11 |
nubbins` |
i think it's just plated |
13:12 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560583 |
13:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 14-03-2014 20:49:27; asciilifeform: turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially: |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
those bars and coins are like the best btc investment ever |
13:12 |
mircea_popescu |
notrly, but anyway |
13:12 |
ThickAsThieves |
well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins |
| |
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13:13 |
ThickAsThieves |
100btc gold bars cost what originally? |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
s.mpoe was 2k satoshi originally., |
13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
i guess AM maybe was best rise |
13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
.1 to 5.6 |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google trilema history best investments btc |
13:14 |
gribble |
The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin>; MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-one-year-of-dividends>; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest- (1 more message) |
13:14 |
ThickAsThieves |
mah cookie is borked again |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
AM and casascius coins were both pretty yeasty investments |
13:15 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23013333 = 0.6904 BTC [+] {3} |
13:15 |
nubbins` |
cas coins, still going up |
13:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.20150114 = 7.0525 BTC [-] {4} |
13:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose in the end one can count the poroductive btc investments on a hand |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
jd is in there too |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose satoshi dice too, in a marginal sorta sense "either you sold at a profit or held for no loss" sorta thing |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
how are sd and jd more than simple chumpatronic pumps ? |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the investment side. |
13:17 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ie, you could bankroll them |
13:18 |
* |
asciilifeform never understood why these needed investment |
13:18 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26578 @ 0.0007671 = 20.388 BTC [-] {2} |
13:18 |
asciilifeform |
same as the ancient question 'why does god need a starship' |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
to cover for the risk of ruin. |
13:18 |
ThickAsThieves |
xbond and nam's bond did ok in the end |
13:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform suppose you run a casino, and i come and play with a dollar. |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
i keep betting all on black and winning |
13:19 |
asciilifeform |
chance of this, vs. asteroid ? |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
fifty two wins into my streak... what do you do ? |
13:19 |
mircea_popescu |
matters not. still gotta cover for the bets you make |
13:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00076639 = 3.274 BTC [-] {2} |
13:19 |
nubbins` |
^ |
13:20 |
ThickAsThieves |
mp is saying sell dat mpoe! |
13:20 |
asciilifeform |
what you do << 'what do you do when a shell lands in your trench? jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' |
13:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-britain-boe-bitcoin-idUSKBN0H61ID20140911 funny i read the BoE thing and got a positive impression |
13:21 |
assbot |
Bank of England sees Bitcoin fraud risk, deflation danger| Reuters |
13:21 |
nubbins` |
ThickAsThieves: the edge you have to walk with casascius coins is btc value vs fiat value |
13:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does |
13:22 |
nubbins` |
so far the market has been completely ignoring fluctuations in exchange rates |
13:22 |
ThickAsThieves |
says reuters |
13:23 |
ThickAsThieves |
"A significant risk to digital currencies' sustained use (is) that they will not be able to compete on cost without degenerating ... to a monopoly miner, thereby ... exposing them to risk of system-wide fraud," the BoE said. |
13:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
i wonder if they considered mapping thay logic to themselves |
13:24 |
ThickAsThieves |
that* |
13:26 |
nubbins` |
actually, i can't think of any other examples where the value of something in btc steadily increases over time |
13:26 |
nubbins` |
admittedly, no coffee yet |
13:28 |
TomServo |
I've wondered about this too - what are the arguments against guns, jewelry, land? |
13:29 |
TomServo |
art ;) |
13:29 |
BingoBoingo |
!t m s.wol |
13:29 |
assbot |
Some are born to endless night. |
13:30 |
TomServo |
Doh, I missed the 'in btc' part - for shame. |
13:31 |
ThickAsThieves |
any collectible is at the mercy of its popularity |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
and scarcity |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
when i was a kid, the elder generation thought baseball cards were good investments |
13:32 |
ThickAsThieves |
look at them now |
13:33 |
nubbins` |
beanie babies |
13:33 |
nubbins` |
magic cards |
13:33 |
ThickAsThieves |
they probly dont even keep up with inflation |
13:34 |
nubbins` |
lots of old coinage, too |
13:34 |
ThickAsThieves |
after a while, no one gives a shit about Bo jackson |
13:34 |
nubbins` |
bo knows! |
13:34 |
BingoBoingo |
ThickAsThieves: Fuck you, Bo Jackson is an exemplar. |
13:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
hey i was a big fan |
13:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
but yknow |
13:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
i still have all his cards somewhere i think |
13:35 |
ThickAsThieves |
one day! |
13:36 |
nubbins` |
found a box of old hockey cards a couple weeks ago |
13:36 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think i have a brett hull rookie |
13:36 |
nubbins` |
i've got bobby hull's autograph on a vuarnet t-shirt!! |
13:36 |
nubbins` |
ahaha, the 90s |
13:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol $9 card |
13:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
seems overpriced |
13:37 |
TomServo |
brett hull rookie is $9?! |
13:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
the one i have at least, i think, i forget all the opeechee topps variant stuff |
13:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i just checked my mtgox account balance, 0.12504189! Score! |
13:41 |
nubbins` |
sweet, let's spend it on pizza! |
13:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.0007649 = 22.1416 BTC [-] {2} |
13:43 |
BingoBoingo |
The problem with Baseball cards was them emulated the utility of stamps too much, but without understanding why stamps got so expensive for the rarities |
13:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Stamps, mostly being a tool for money transmission |
13:45 |
ThickAsThieves |
blowstamps! |
13:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Seriously |
13:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
i started with stamps actually |
13:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
was in the stamp club |
13:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
and chess club |
13:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Stamps were basically pre-internet Bitcoin |
13:46 |
ThickAsThieves |
i was a real cool kid obv |
13:47 |
ThickAsThieves |
all i really remember about the scene was the famous inverted jenny |
13:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00076401 = 46.9484 BTC [-] {3} |
13:50 |
nubbins` |
heh, speaking of collectibles |
13:51 |
nubbins` |
;;view 21426 |
13:51 |
gribble |
#21426 Thu Sep 11 13:50:24 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Radiohead autographed band photo @ 0 BTC (Signed by all members. PM offers. Includes original packaging & letter from W.A.S.T.E.) |
13:51 |
nubbins` |
see if there's any interest |
14:05 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 900 @ 0.00060608 = 0.5455 BTC [-] {11} |
14:09 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19710999 = 1.9711 BTC [-] {6} |
14:09 |
punkman |
http://www.coindesk.com/spain-cracks-bitcoin-gambling-loopholes/ |
14:09 |
assbot |
Spain Cracks Down on Bitcoin Gambling Loopholes |
14:10 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.197 = 1.379 BTC [-] {3} |
14:14 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19702 = 0.9851 BTC [-] {2} |
14:16 |
punkman |
https://github.com/Coinffeine/coinffeine/wiki/Exchange-algorithm#protocol-overview |
14:16 |
assbot |
Exchange algorithm Coinffeine/coinffeine Wiki GitHub |
14:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00076836 = 54.3999 BTC [+] {3} |
14:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: cribbed. |
14:17 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2014#738154 |
14:17 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-06-2014 05:21:05; asciilifeform: idea was, you send, e.g. some btc to addr A, in n parcels. low bits of the parcels encode, e.g. an ltc address. to which the corresponding amount of ltc is then sent. |
14:18 |
punkman |
this is for fiat/btc |
14:18 |
punkman |
I don't see the purpose of their algorithm |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
then uninteresting |
14:18 |
asciilifeform |
where in what blockchain can you stuff fiat. |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/judge-wont-release-surveillance-video-of-courthouse-cop-killing-defendant |
14:20 |
assbot |
Judge wont release surveillance video of courthouse cop killing defendant | Ars Technica |
14:25 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00059611 = 0.8942 BTC [-] {6} |
14:28 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.197 = 0.985 BTC [-] {2} |
14:29 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.197 = 2.167 BTC [-] {2} |
14:34 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 93 @ 0.19413978 = 18.055 BTC [-] {2} |
14:41 |
The20YearIRCloud |
wonder why that is |
14:44 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00058156 = 0.5816 BTC [-] {29} |
14:51 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00056001 = 0.56 BTC [-] {3} |
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15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves: |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does << "we read something on a tripod homepage and now believe this is the world" |
15:06 |
mircea_popescu |
direct result of "i read it on wikipedia" |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
"Citing security concerns, a Utah federal judge is refusing to release courthouse surveillance footage that captured a US marshal killing a defendant during a gang-related trial. |
15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
The tape's existence, first reported by The Salt Lake Tribune Wednesday, came to public light five months after federal authorities who watched the tape cleared the marshal of wronging. " |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao security concerns indeed. "if anyone not working for the usg found out what we do in thhis here so called "courthouse" they'd prolly set us all on fire" |
15:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i suppose serbia should bomb the us now. |
15:09 |
asciilifeform |
serbia's mouth is a little too full of nato cock |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
what, i thought this is socialism. |
15:10 |
mircea_popescu |
aren't they all equal over there ? |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
lol. |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
have i been lied to omg |
15:11 |
asciilifeform |
'some more equal than others' (tm) |
15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
so serbia more equal than us right ? |
15:12 |
asciilifeform |
equality coming out of her ears. |
15:12 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol there's really no need for all these emails. |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
say here if anything, if not not worth saying. |
15:13 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
sorry - it helps me keep track of things |
15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, the log does. it helps me too, so. |
15:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
can't attach candidate resumes to logs |
15:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
but ok |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
i do it all the time. "he's x y z looking to k". not really that big a deal. |
15:16 |
mircea_popescu |
coupla lines should be enough, it's what anyone ever reads anyway. |
15:23 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
mircea_popescu - to be clear, do you want me to dump all that unit testing data to the logs? or just leave it alone and hope it comes out right? |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
if it;s worth discussing it goes here. if it is not, it is not. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
email is not a dump. |
15:24 |
mircea_popescu |
and if you use it like a dump in your general course of business, you're prolly fucking yourself over and not even realise it. |
15:27 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i only communicate that which is critical as concisely as possible. sorry, dont know any other hiring managers using irc, so |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
revolutionary huh ? |
15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway. |
15:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
it just seems the unit tests for the bot would be considered flooding the channel |
15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not nearly as bad as scary it seems. |
15:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i'm all for it |
15:38 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/11/emanuel_cleaver_molotov_cocktail_black_missouri_congressman_s_office_targeted.html |
15:38 |
assbot |
Emanuel Cleaver Molotov cocktail: Black Missouri congressman's office targeted. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
!up tryphe_ |
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16:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00076697 = 7.8231 BTC [-] |
16:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4805 @ 0.00076697 = 3.6853 BTC [-] |
16:22 |
FabianB |
aha, mpex fixed |
16:22 |
FabianB |
$mpexstatus |
16:23 |
empyex |
FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 |
16:23 |
empyex |
FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (1079 milliseconds), mpex.bz (7600 milliseconds), mpex.co (976 milliseconds), mpex.biz (1001 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (982 milliseconds) |
16:23 |
empyex |
FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ |
16:32 |
chetty |
http://drudgereport.com/ohh.jpg |
16:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00076452 = 8.295 BTC [-] {2} |
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16:50 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17717499 = 0.7087 BTC [-] {3} |
16:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00076697 = 3.9115 BTC [+] |
17:02 |
BingoBoingo |
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5686297&cid=47884135 << "Welcome to America, Canada's version of Mexico." |
17:02 |
assbot |
CBC Warns Canadians of "US Law Enforcement Money Extortion Program" - Slashdot |
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~ 36 minutes ~ |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 << loltron! flamefest from '09 still going strong. they never, ever get tired. |
17:38 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure |
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~ 15 minutes ~ |
17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
FabianB nice tickmarks |
17:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!up chalbersma |
17:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736 << lol |
17:56 |
assbot |
American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money - World - CBC News |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
The CBC is warning Canadians about a U.S. program where America law enforcement officers from federal agents to state troopers right down to sheriffs in one-street backwaters are operating a vast, co-ordinated scheme to grab as much of the public's cash as they can through seizure laws. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. |
17:57 |
mircea_popescu |
rogue state is going to rogue state. |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
'It involves a nationwide network of enforcement agencies (except in the few states that have banned it) that operates with the help of a vast private intelligence service called Black Asphalt' |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
https://blackasphalt.org << they have a site, yes. |
17:58 |
assbot |
Black Asphalt - Logan County Sheriff's Department: |
17:58 |
chalbersma |
I wish that that description was overstating it. |
17:59 |
asciilifeform |
you can apparently buy... shirts and screw-drivers there. |
18:00 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/goreSSL |
18:00 |
assbot |
goreSSL |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
"When I go on a road trip I always carry enough cash to buy gas to get to my destination should my credit card stop working. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
I got pulled over in Nebraska and when I was getting my license out of my wallet the officer saw a $100 bill in there and ended up confiscating the $400 I had on me as suspected drug money without ever arresting me or even charging me with a crime. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
I got a receipt and an affidavit indicating the amount seized and why. I petitioned the court for the return of my money and the court denied me saying that possession of that much cash constituted probable cause of drug activity and that I should be happy not to be in jail for drugs." |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
400 dollars. herp. |
18:00 |
mircea_popescu |
are us folk really that poor ? |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/09/police-seizure-black-asphalt-network << apparently, 'asphalt' sells subscription to a db of who is best to plunder and where to find them. |
18:01 |
assbot |
Cops using controversial database to identify search and seizure targets |
18:01 |
BingoBoingo |
<mircea_popescu> are us folk really that poor ? << Cash averse. Love their plastic |
18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so they're really that poor. |
18:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Yeah |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intelligence-targets-cash << original article apparently |
18:03 |
assbot |
Police training firms teaching helps fuel rise in cash seizures on U.S. highways | The Washington Post |
18:03 |
mircea_popescu |
well, being a 3rd world shithole is pretty bad, but not knowing it is arguably worse. |
18:05 |
mircea_popescu |
%p |
18:05 |
atcbot |
No data returned from CoinMiner.net |
18:05 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.09 TH/s |
18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
%d |
18:06 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 285796.47 in 1239 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.78 |
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18:32 |
BingoBoingo |
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751 |
18:32 |
assbot |
ESPN.com: Page 2 : Fear & Loathing in America |
18:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00076425 = 4.5473 BTC [-] |
18:46 |
mike_c |
ThickAsThieves: by the way, i did some rounds of correlation analysis. s.mpoe continues to defy explanation. there is certainly no correlation to the exchange rate. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
rng! |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c there's always ~some~ correlation. since you did the math anyway, what is it ? |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
.2 ? |
18:48 |
mike_c |
i don't know about stand alone, but it is when combined with the exchange rate in any fashion. |
18:48 |
mike_c |
lower |
18:48 |
mike_c |
below .1 |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
lower than .2 ?! |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
18:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that's rich. |
18:49 |
mike_c |
looking at any reasonable timeframe it is nothing. I tried to force it. took just the last few months, removed some of the recent dip/spikes, and got it up to 0.5 |
18:49 |
mike_c |
but it was stupid |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
congrats, you basically did ta :D |
18:49 |
mike_c |
tea leaves came up empty |
18:50 |
mike_c |
the only surprise to me was just how low the correlation was. |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
i hear you. |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
!up hyhycaptain |
18:54 |
hyhycaptain |
ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&! |
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↖ |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
^ pw!? |
18:55 |
Apocalyptic |
probably |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
hyhycaptain change it now, chan is logged. |
18:55 |
Apocalyptic |
you may want to change that asap |
18:55 |
BingoBoingo |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826852 |
18:55 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-09-2014 22:54:38; hyhycaptain: ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&! |
18:55 |
mircea_popescu |
also separated pws are shitty. no <numbers><letters><symbols> crap. |
18:56 |
hyhycaptain |
ns release |
18:56 |
BingoBoingo |
DMT and GHB... tripping balls? |
18:56 |
jurov |
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/?single_page=true |
18:56 |
assbot |
Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic |
18:57 |
Apocalyptic |
hyhycaptain, is your "/" key broken ? |
18:57 |
hyhycaptain |
gee yes, and i can't find anything |
18:57 |
xmj |
jurov: i've seen it before |
18:57 |
xmj |
jurov: Goebbels would be SO fucking proud. |
18:57 |
xmj |
or maybe not; they're slavs. |
18:57 |
jurov |
that's how asciilifeform's conquest works |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
proud >> of 'the atlantic.' |
18:58 |
jurov |
asciilifeform but it's true |
18:58 |
jurov |
i see here that horrible disinfo leaking from the east |
18:59 |
jurov |
such as, EU supposedly enforcing a "juvenile justice" |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: how is that disinfo ? |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot> Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic << gotta love the english agitprop, this entire "the gauls don't really exist so clearly they couldn't be at the gates" thing. |
18:59 |
jurov |
that will take kids away from heteros and give them to queers |
18:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"putin doesn;t understand how the world works" |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: nope. in russia, people have successfully resisted, for the most part, the 'civilized' western notion that the crown has business taking children. |
19:00 |
jurov |
but whole juvenile justice story is fabricated |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
the 'queers' angle is sprayed on by western journarasts. |
19:00 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov it's only nonsense in the form presented. otherwise, the eu does believe it has jurisdiction over children above and beyond that of the family. |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
^ |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
as does usa. |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform usa is just a colony. |
19:01 |
mircea_popescu |
of course it'd fly along with whatever the french, the english and so forth figure out. |
19:01 |
hyhycaptain |
!up |
19:02 |
jurov |
of course that is how RT works |
19:03 |
jurov |
takes a grain of EU social care taking children |
19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
that grain is a grain in my eye. |
19:03 |
jurov |
mixes it with fear from queers adpting children |
19:04 |
asciilifeform |
'prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called faggots; now they are being called American faggots, and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' - orlov |
19:04 |
jurov |
and now the nocsense is suddenly presented as fact and i have to convince half of my facebook friends |
19:04 |
jurov |
that such "juvenile justice" does not exist |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov you'll have a hard time wiht it. |
19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but yes it does exist : the eu state will, under a multitude of pretexts, steal children. |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
so perhaps enemy does not bayonet babies and eat them under white sauce. he merely strangles them humanely and reprocesses into Garboil. |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
go convince. |
19:06 |
jurov |
i indeed have a hard time with your insistence that everything out there is an overactive imagination of western journos |
19:06 |
jurov |
while putin never lied and never will |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
you mean his or mine ? |
19:06 |
jurov |
both |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
putin is lying every chance he gets, what. |
19:06 |
mircea_popescu |
how did i end up giving ~that~ impression for crying out loud. |
19:08 |
jurov |
you dismissed is as mere agitprop |
19:08 |
xmj |
jurov: I'm ruthless about russian supporters |
19:08 |
mircea_popescu |
but it's not what i said. i merely remarked on a particular mental complex, wherein the western agitprop calls things they don't like and can't derride "inexistent" a certain way |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme model this. suppose we go out for a picnic, and suppose we're there with some girls, and suppose a cow comes and shits in our cornmeal pot. and suppose one of the girls goes "oh my!" |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: it mostly works for the target audience. to most folks in usa, who are literate in no foreign languages, never travel except on official orders, etc. - if not thrown in their face, fact does not exist. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
me mocking her for the "oh my" lulz doesn't mean i am in favour of cattle shitting in cookpots. |
19:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform which is why this is funny. |
19:10 |
jurov |
anyhow. you both be glad you're living in countries divided by distance and language (more or less) from this shit |
19:11 |
xmj |
:| |
19:11 |
jurov |
slovakia is mentioned there for a reason |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov you will note in my case this is not happenstance. |
19:11 |
xmj |
I'm glad I'm living in a country who has a couple of german tornados stationed in it |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
xmj they're allies you know. |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
living where 'this shit' is grown, packaged, and flown out for export is not particularly thrilling either. |
19:11 |
mircea_popescu |
katyn or auschwitz, what's the big difference. |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform dude imagine for the sake of science fiction, a putin that didn't lie. like, ever. he'd be spotless like warm milk foam. |
19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
o.o |
19:13 |
* |
asciilifeform likes to show americans 'the venerable ancient Ukrs' - is almost never believed, even when rubbing their nose in primary source |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
they'd prolly flay him alive just for the cognitive dissonance |
19:13 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: what next, a pope that doesn't lie? |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
popes don't lie, they're just infallible and impeccable. |
19:13 |
mircea_popescu |
next best thing. |
19:16 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1014 @ 0.00054999 = 0.5577 BTC [-] {2} |
19:17 |
jurov |
i was just venting my worries that this piece of world might not be safe again... obv mircea's lofty assessment "nah, agitprop" or ascii's urks hair splitting is not interesting to me,sorry |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
safe ? |
19:17 |
asciilifeform |
from what? |
19:18 |
asciilifeform |
waffen ss? red army ? |
19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov hey, i don't mind, by all means, go ahead. |
19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
you're probably right, it's not looking all that good. |
19:18 |
jurov |
when public space is increasingly and inessantly inundated by conspirations |
19:18 |
jurov |
that won't end well |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
ask the conspirators to quit conspiring. that'd have a chance of fixing. |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
time to split, unless you somehow discover some passion for one side or the other and a desire to go to shooting practice. |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform that's like asking girls aged 16ish to stop giggling. yeah, that's gonna happen |
19:19 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not their cunt asking for a tending that's driving the giggling behaviour. |
19:19 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+mike_c> tea leaves came up empty /// i guess i was probly only paying attention to price at the time, maybe that was the .5 zone, shortly after my comments it totally decoupled |
19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
it's just, you know... they'r ebored |
19:22 |
asciilifeform |
as the anglo empires get swept from the stage, the bantustans they created with heroic strokes of pencil will go away. arabian, soviet, wherever. |
19:23 |
thestringpuller |
;;ud bantustans |
19:23 |
gribble |
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bantustan | Literally: The Ghetto, the Worst of Urban Decay, the hardest of the hard hood. A bantustan (also known as black African homeland or simply homeland... |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
if you're czech, slovak, pole - and don't relish idea of learning russian - better learn german. |
19:23 |
asciilifeform |
or chinese. |
19:23 |
mike_c |
da fuck with that atlantic article. i tried it in 3 browsers and it crashed them all. |
19:23 |
thestringpuller |
german is not bad |
19:23 |
thestringpuller |
chinese looks hard |
19:24 |
jurov |
there's difference between indigenous conspirations like www.universe-people.com and stuff did by state media |
19:24 |
jurov |
*done |
19:24 |
jurov |
and i'm done for today |
19:24 |
jurov |
later! |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c that's online media v3.0 |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
one of the more 'high tech' and interesting 'state media' tricks is to spray on a coating of 'conspiratorial Teflon' to an otherwise genuine piece of dirt |
19:24 |
asciilifeform |
so it doesn't stick to 'right thinking' heads. |
19:25 |
mike_c |
the atlantic is trying to steal my bitcoin |
19:25 |
asciilifeform |
!s crank bait |
19:25 |
assbot |
3 results for 'crank bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crank+bait |
19:25 |
ThickAsThieves |
i like that the putin drawing is a scanned bar napkin or sumth |
19:26 |
asciilifeform |
today is, incidentally, favourite american holiday celebrating this gambit. |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there's more to this than just that. i've had an intern puit a bunch of trilema articles in reddit, across dozens of different subreddits. NONE stick. they're all "wrong", then the complainants get laughed out, then the matter dies. |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
this teflon phenomenon is a lot deeper. |
19:26 |
* |
asciilifeform 's favourite subject in this class. |
19:26 |
mircea_popescu |
there's a long and growing list of things you can do to a text to make it completely inaccessibl for the "right thinking" person. |
19:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: there are many applicable 'teflons.' |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean, just a certain tone is enough, subtle subjective positioning is enough |
19:27 |
mircea_popescu |
"this thing is written as if the soviet party isn't legitimate" < o noes and enough. |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
by now right thinkingness has become an extremely intricate, delicately balanced piece of work |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
western confucianism. |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
the example jurov (inadvertently) gave us - is instructive. someone succeeded in 'tefloning' the 'juvenile justice' thing before it entered his brain. |
19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
i'm still reeling over the realisation that someone, somewhere, thinks im pro russian. |
19:28 |
asciilifeform |
i doubt anyone could persuade him that phenomenon in question is not a barbaric libel by russian queer-haters. |
19:32 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: the 'logic' presumably being, you must 'go with' the humans or the orcs, tertium non datur. |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
sucks for merlin, he who was here when each was born, and will be here to see them buried. |
19:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7195 @ 0.00076108 = 5.476 BTC [-] {2} |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, for what it's worth, in my mind the correct approach to this problem is radical, corrosive antiteflon. |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: what document worth the mention could get any traction on 'reddit' (today's, not circa '07, say) ? |
19:34 |
mircea_popescu |
the more people saying nigger and proposing rape as a solution to minute problems, the less effectual this teflon process is. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
it only works in the first place because of a very narrow overton window achieved over decades of lazy prosperity. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
that needs to be broken, for general welfare. |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
giving in and being polite even to the slightest degree just feeds the nonsense. |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
in contemporary english, it is the duty of any thinking person to be as offensive as the context will carry. |
19:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
to what end? |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
freedom, of course. |
19:37 |
asciilifeform |
in the peanut gallery - they say whatever. 'new york times' - won't say 'rapigger'. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, it's why i carry a lot of sympathy for BingoBoingo's legal troubles. |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
seems to me he instinctively applied the correct solution from perhaps an untenable position |
19:38 |
asciilifeform |
if correct solution could be applied from correct position - problem would be lying dead in a ditch, right along with a few thousand fellow problems, similarly perforated. |
19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
ThickAsThieves when you confront an organised enemy, your options are two. either beat him but preserve his tools, which locks you into ruling in his stead, or else beat him and destroy his tools, which locks you into rebuilding. |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
there's little worse fate than having to take over and continue using with the present tools. |
19:39 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: limonov had a beautiful discussion of this. |
19:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
hmm |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> if correct solution could be applied from correct position << true. |
19:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i'm not sure if i believe your ideal is more than fleetingly achieved |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
nor orgasm. |
19:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
heh |
19:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
i think of it like your movie idea and my ending |
19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
"Why do you think you can think?" |
19:43 |
ThickAsThieves |
fleeting is a lifetime for some, i guess that's good enough |
19:45 |
asciilifeform |
'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace, parliamen |
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19:45 |
asciilifeform |
t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine. |
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19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
the interesting thing here is that no longer is the city hall the seat of power. the irc channel is the seat of power. |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
which means long supressed passion will finally prevail, in a razing of city halls the world has never seen |
19:47 |
mircea_popescu |
perhaps not since the razing of ur |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
the bloodiest massacre in human history, a million or so killed over a few weeks. |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
a million before the fiat inflation of human population, back when they still had hard people, and a limited supply worldwide |
20:00 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-translate-a-little-rinduieli-de-marin-sorescu/ |
20:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ? |
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20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
that's datina datini, belive it or not. |
20:07 |
asciilifeform |
понятия. |
20:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the difference'd be rinduieli can be rationally defended, datini are not. |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah pony is closer |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
actually it's just about exactly it. |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
therewego, cooking with gas. |
20:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://33.media.tumblr.com/482efd86111bd9cfe13ee302465639de/tumblr_mz1uqaPhkc1r87wz9o1_1280.jpg << and the spark of life. |
20:08 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
is that a 'B' battery ? |
20:09 |
asciilifeform |
and nice lathework. respekt. |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that. |
20:10 |
asciilifeform |
own work ? |
20:10 |
mircea_popescu |
a no. |
20:12 |
asciilifeform |
on 2nd look, the blue cylindrical object is a dc motor. |
20:12 |
asciilifeform |
rotor on bottom, to the right of the lead-screw |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
presumably strikes it mid-way through rotation |
20:13 |
asciilifeform |
or rather, motor only engages when the little rotor touches the screw |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
a la old-fashioned school bell. |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
to start apparatus, it is presumably given a small clockwise twist while current applied. |
20:14 |
asciilifeform |
wing nut on lead screw - obviously - sets depth. |
20:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/db9cc5b867a112993e0f818b7359b3d1/tumblr_mw1zrmojRM1s9tujho1_500.png |
20:16 |
asciilifeform |
oubliette! |
20:16 |
* |
asciilifeform is quite confident in the reverse-engineered scheme above. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
except - object on upper side of motor is a commutator. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
so, no twist start needed. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
goes merrily buzzing on power-up. |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
a well designed little apparatus. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
the fellow who built it may or may not have been a tattooist in russian prison. |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
typical scheme of apparatus used there. |
20:17 |
mircea_popescu |
just about. |
20:18 |
mircea_popescu |
http://38.media.tumblr.com/f26ac8f8aaa82ec58ed70e3976dfe457/tumblr_mvqutdrHlR1sq388oo1_400.gif << and here's stoya, doing what she does (ie, setting the mark for performance) |
20:18 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders - anyone else awake? and had alternate interpretation of gadget pictured earlier? |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
if previously awake - now busy. |
20:19 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
20:19 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which... brb |
20:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00075973 = 19.9049 BTC [-] |
20:29 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: do you think there is a way to have an externally chargeable battery as "save" battery on video game cartridges |
20:29 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: as described earlier |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821825 |
20:30 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-09-2014 18:52:57; asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work. |
20:30 |
thestringpuller |
so external ports long with the leads? I'm not well versed in electrical engineering unfortunately. |
20:30 |
asciilifeform |
snip off original battery holder, note where '+' and '-' were. |
20:31 |
thestringpuller |
as long as same voltage etc.? |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
solder red lead from battery box to '+', black to '-'. first thread wires through hole in chassic (electric drill) |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
origial was 'cr2032' ? |
20:31 |
asciilifeform |
*original |
20:32 |
thestringpuller |
yes. most probably unless this specific cartridge was an outlier. |
20:32 |
asciilifeform |
use two lithium (specifically) aa batteries in a common series holder (as pictured.) |
20:32 |
thestringpuller |
i'm terrified of modifying because this is a cartridge that appreciates in value due to rarity or something |
20:33 |
asciilifeform |
if kept as collectible - seal it in a bag under nitrogen, why would you play it. |
20:34 |
thestringpuller |
LOL |
20:34 |
thestringpuller |
you speak truth |
20:34 |
thestringpuller |
i should just buy a Wii-U and get the downloadable version to play for 15 bucks |
20:34 |
thestringpuller |
seal the original cart in a bag |
20:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00075917 = 22.3196 BTC [-] {3} |
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20:53 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'muiere' ~= engl. 'give head' ? |
20:56 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/ |
20:59 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17417502 = 0.6967 BTC [-] {4} |
21:00 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.17154857 = 0.8577 BTC [-] {4} |
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21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it just means woman. most speakers wouldn't notice the relation and im probably going to get inundated with hatemail in the morn |
21:15 |
asciilifeform |
lulz |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it's an older term, mostly disused, ever so slightly derrogatory. |
21:15 |
mircea_popescu |
it's vulgar latin, from mulieris. |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
suppoisedly sucking cock (a da [la] muie, contracted to muie) comes from gypsy language, where muie means mouth. |
21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
but this distinction is you know, what you make of it. |
21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
the notion that romanian borrowed anything whatsoever from romales is beyond ridiculous anyway. maybe took back whatever the gypos stole at some point, and that at the very most. |
21:22 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490&cpage=1#comment-16768 << great masters of not-getting-the-point, at work |
21:22 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. |
21:33 |
kakobrekla |
!s SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS |
21:33 |
assbot |
1 results for 'SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SHOUTOUT+TO+%23BITCOIN-ASSETS |
21:34 |
kakobrekla |
now 3. |
21:37 |
punkman |
I was playing a bit at moneypot.com (dice thingy), then I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg8776834#msg8776834 |
21:37 |
assbot |
MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game |
21:37 |
punkman |
is this a scam? "Look there's a fucking system!" |
21:48 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1083 @ 0.00141329 = 1.5306 BTC [-] {4} |
21:50 |
cazalla |
damn, moneypot hooks you instantly |
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22:27 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17999999 = 0.54 BTC [+] |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform using addresses to encode satisfies your criteria, it doesn't have to be amounts |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
which is why the b-a deeds system will use addresses rather than amounts. |
22:31 |
asciilifeform |
need certain amounts to avoid getting dust-collected. |
22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
hm? |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
can't send nil |
22:32 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, gotta send some btc. |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
or less than $dust lower bound |
22:32 |
asciilifeform |
plus programmatic generation of addrs with reasonably-secure private keys is gnarly. |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
(you want the privates if you want the recycling-loop.) |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
*usefully encoded addrs with reasonably secure privates |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, its not free. |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
my understanding is that for your application, the payload is very small, and 'shooting coin into the sun' in an open loop system - suffices. |
22:35 |
asciilifeform |
(garbage dest. address) |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
it's not clear that wasting the tx fees for a very narrow space (ie, the amt) is actually cheaper than wasting the min tx for wider space (the address |
22:37 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, a discussion for other times! |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
when blasting into garbage addr, still have to include fee |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
so necessarily - costlier. |
22:37 |
asciilifeform |
but yes, wider space... |
22:37 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't give enough of a damn to crunch the numbers |
22:38 |
mircea_popescu |
makes 2 of us :) |
22:41 |
asciilifeform |
one caveat with using addresses - 'decoder' must not rely on the garbage addr's balance never moving on own volition. one might, at any time, end up producing an addr to which someone has a key. |
22:41 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the idea, yea. |
22:42 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, tomorrow! |
22:56 |
TheNewDeal |
;;nethash |
22:56 |
gribble |
217919029.299 |
22:59 |
TheNewDeal |
;;bc,stats |
22:59 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 320252 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29479555603.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.47731 |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
evening gang |
23:05 |
ben_vulpes |
just woke up from the post bang nap |
23:06 |
ben_vulpes |
awwww missed le popescu@ |
23:07 |
TheNewDeal |
how was the bang nap? |
23:07 |
ben_vulpes |
restorative |
23:07 |
TheNewDeal |
and the post bang nap? |
23:07 |
ben_vulpes |
ho ho ho |
23:07 |
TheNewDeal |
:D |
23:08 |
TheNewDeal |
!up decimation |
23:08 |
ben_vulpes |
clever boy u |
23:08 |
decimation |
heh thanks |
23:08 |
TheNewDeal |
everybody gets one |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
man |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
condoms |
23:10 |
ben_vulpes |
wtf |
23:11 |
ben_vulpes |
now i reek of latex |
23:12 |
ben_vulpes |
<xmj> ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap << hey have you ever done anything with uwsgi or gunicorn as a dev server? |
23:12 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: I ordered a tcxo version of that gps timing module from some junk dealer in shenzhen http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEO-7N-Flight-Controller-GPS-Module-with-3-Axis-Compass-Pixhawk-APM-2-6-e-/281404421897?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item418502b709 |
23:12 |
assbot |
Neo 7N Flight Controller GPS Module with 3 Axis Compass Pixhawk apm 2 6 E | eBay |
23:13 |
ben_vulpes |
i want to close the gap between traditional django dev with the mangy pie runderper |
23:13 |
ben_vulpes |
and production with nginx/apache | gunicorn/uwsgi | piecrap |
23:14 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: is apache dead to the cool web 2.0 kids these days? |
23:14 |
ben_vulpes |
uh apche's fine |
23:14 |
ben_vulpes |
ape cheese |
23:14 |
decimation |
seems to me that the list of alternatives is growing |
23:14 |
ben_vulpes |
what else is one to do when the application layer server authors say retarded shit like |
23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
"THIS IS NOT A WEB SERVER PLEAZE FOAR TO HIDE BEHIND APACHE OAR NGINX PROXY PASS" |
23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
dude |
23:15 |
ben_vulpes |
http ain't so hard |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
you want complicated stupid broken and fucked up beyond all reason? come hang with the asseteers |
23:16 |
ben_vulpes |
the go situation doesn't even have a production ready wallet |
23:16 |
decimation |
why is it "popular" then? |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
apache or nginx? |
23:17 |
decimation |
well, 'go' |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
oh |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
static types, adequately lispy |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
not "which" python |
23:17 |
ben_vulpes |
("which") |
23:20 |
mike_c |
http is kinda hard. you're exposing yourself to untrusted input from the wild |
23:21 |
decimation |
not if you serve static pages |
23:21 |
mike_c |
sure you are |
23:21 |
mike_c |
still gotta process the http request. |
23:21 |
decimation |
true, but the universe of possible responses is greatly restricted |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.complang.org/ragel |
23:22 |
assbot |
Ragel State Machine Compiler |
23:22 |
mike_c |
more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
first, you must state machine. |
23:22 |
decimation |
neat ben_vulpes |
23:22 |
ben_vulpes |
ragel is bees knees |
23:23 |
decimation |
in general protocols are the devil |
23:23 |
mike_c |
i like hiding behind nginx. igor is smart. |
23:23 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13885 @ 0.00075866 = 10.534 BTC [-] |
23:23 |
decimation |
even TCP is devilish |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
those russians |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
i heard a rumor that nginx has 0% test coverage |
23:23 |
ben_vulpes |
and builds are shipped around as tarballs |
23:24 |
decimation |
I like the idea of sending a single udp packet as a request and receiving a stream of udp packets in reply |
23:24 |
mike_c |
i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems. |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
when i was 14 i talked my cs teacher into letting me use the first chapter of text from cryptonomicon as my wpm benchmark |
23:25 |
ben_vulpes |
'cs' |
23:25 |
decimation |
lol |
23:28 |
ben_vulpes |
i think ithat i broke 140 |
23:28 |
ben_vulpes |
which, as others have said, "i don't care about how many characters per minute my programmers can type, but whether they type the *right* characters" |
23:28 |
asciilifeform |
gps box << curious, why ? |
23:29 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: for poor man's lab reference, for some rf experiments |
23:29 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: lab reference of what? |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: you don't get any magical enhancement of short-term clock stability that way. |
23:30 |
decimation |
the device can be commanded to output pulses at arbitrary frequencies |
23:30 |
asciilifeform |
sure. |
23:31 |
decimation |
which is why I got the tcxo option. the real solution would be to use it to long-term discipline an oxco |
23:32 |
decimation |
it would be nice to have a 1pps output for time-tagging too |
23:32 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. << sauce? |
23:34 |
decimation |
as for the short-term stability, I want to measure the phase noise with a proper lab instrument |
23:35 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: get an Rb oscillator on 'ebay' or the like. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
!up decimation |
23:38 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: yeah that would be an even better solution. One could use my gps module to correct the long-term frequency variation of Rb oscillator |
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23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
http://deadspin.com/giancarlo-stanton-removed-on-stretcher-after-fastball-t-1633816961 |
23:56 |
assbot |
Giancarlo Stanton Removed On Stretcher After Fastball To The Face |