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00:00 decimation no but it would be an interesting exercise in archaeology
00:01 asciilifeform decimation: others have, if i recall, carried out this exercise. it isn't considerably more interesting than running the emulator.
00:01 decimation yeah good point. I'm gonna work on getting my 'opengenera' vm working again
00:09 asciilifeform decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg
00:09 assbot talmud - Imgur
00:09 asciilifeform (ignore blue backbreaker, that's 'xerox')
00:10 asciilifeform and yes, technically these are all hypertext-accessible (yes, possibly first instance of hypertext used industrially) in og. but paper is nice.
00:11 asciilifeform i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.)
00:12 decimation asciilifeform: lol. Yeah when I saw demos of genera, I thought "wait, did they invent hypertext too"?
00:12 asciilifeform hard to say who invented. but who used to greatest effect, earliest - yes, them.
00:12 decimation it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out
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00:39 thestringpuller asciilifeform: to you have a sister named deedee?
00:41 thestringpuller did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company that would be the end all to mining datacenters?
00:43 ben_vulpes !up Diablo-D3
00:44 ben_vulpes !up Diablo-D3
00:44 Diablo-D3 thestringpuller: no
00:44 Diablo-D3 I refunded investors and pulled out
00:45 thestringpuller hehe that's what she said
00:45 thestringpuller well i guess that's what he said?
00:45 Diablo-D3 heh.
00:45 Diablo-D3 but yeah, the whole DMC thing was hilarious
00:45 Diablo-D3 people keep calling me scam over it
00:45 Diablo-D3 yet it paid out more than was originally invested
00:46 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust Diablo-D3
00:46 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
00:46 ben_vulpes this is true?
00:46 dub sure, just not to the people who bought at IPO
00:47 Diablo-D3 dub: actually a lot of them stuck until the end and got their money back
00:47 ben_vulpes lol @ Luke-Jr's rating
00:47 Diablo-D3 the only people who "lost" were those who idiotically paniced
00:47 ben_vulpes -1 "i dunno"
00:47 Diablo-D3 ben_vulpes: yeah, luke-jr is a scam
00:47 dub I doubt that but it should have been a whorthwhile lesson
00:47 Diablo-D3 ben_vulpes: its why I dont care about wot, its not policed
00:47 dub whorethwhile?
00:48 ben_vulpes it's adequately policed
00:48 dub anyway, you can't put a price on education, Diablo-D3 is no scammer
00:48 Diablo-D3 dub: yes, whorethwhile
00:48 ben_vulpes i know danielpbarron vaguely, i know Luke-Jr vaguely, i know how to weight their ratings
00:48 ben_vulpes dag - you have a 5 from nanotube?
00:49 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: no, you're a troll
00:49 Diablo-D3 lol
00:49 dub a surprising retort
00:49 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: yes, Im a troll that wrote a very important piece of software that a lot of people donated a lot of money to help make happen
00:49 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: now only if you could do that.
00:49 ben_vulpes aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux
00:49 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: lol, so important that nobody uses it
00:49 Diablo-D3 not anymore they dont
00:49 Diablo-D3 mining at home is dead
00:50 Diablo-D3 no profit in it, even if you own asics
00:50 dub they all use the software you plagiarised now Luke-Jr
00:50 Luke-Jr dub: you mean "maintain"
00:50 Luke-Jr dub: I have always given full credit to all authors and contributors of BFGMiner
00:51 thestringpuller nanotube needs to update his ratings
00:51 Diablo-D3 lol "maintain"
00:51 Diablo-D3 cgminer = C port of diablominer
00:51 dub thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken
00:51 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: you wish
00:51 Luke-Jr dub: it's not broken, it works well
00:51 thestringpuller nanotube is also a ghost
00:51 Diablo-D3 bfgminer = cgminer fork that luke-jr did because ck wouldnt merge his shit patches
00:51 Diablo-D3 ergo
00:51 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
00:51 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011
00:51 Luke-Jr BFGMiner = cgminer-the-GPU-miner + FPGA and ASIC support
00:51 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
00:51 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
00:52 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: except ck added fpga and asic support himself
00:52 Luke-Jr cgminer = BFGMiner fork because ck wanted free hardware for doing nothing
00:52 ben_vulpes ;;seen joecool
00:52 gribble joecool was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <joecool> do you really have to ask
00:52 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: liar
00:52 Diablo-D3 free hardware fo rdoing nothing? nope
00:52 Diablo-D3 he wanted the hardware on hand to actually test changes
00:52 Diablo-D3 and guess what? he got the hardware in the end.
00:52 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: you forget, I actually know ck, you dont
00:53 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: guess what? he successfully trolled. doesn't make it any less of a troll.
00:53 Diablo-D3 lol Luke-Jr is so goddamned butthurt
00:53 Luke-Jr anyone who knows ck knows he's a pain
00:53 ben_vulpes so what if troll? so what if pain?
00:53 Luke-Jr ck has a very large reputation for being a difficult person to work with
00:53 ben_vulpes surely the commit history shows ck's contribution or lack thereof.
00:54 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: yep
00:54 Diablo-D3 oh bullshit
00:54 Diablo-D3 ck just doesnt take shit from people
00:54 Diablo-D3 if he was hard to work with, I wouldnt have been friends with him for the last decade
00:54 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: that's why he hasn't had kernel patches accepted since forever, eh
00:55 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: he hasnt?
00:55 Luke-Jr concepts, yes, but only after someone else has to go basically rewrite them
00:55 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: nope, even I have more recent Linux commits
00:55 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: -ck is out for 3.16 or whatever the newest kernel is
00:55 Luke-Jr -ck is not Linux itself
00:55 Luke-Jr it's a fork
00:55 Luke-Jr like cgminer
00:56 Diablo-D3 its not a fork you idiot
00:56 Diablo-D3 its a patchset.
00:56 Luke-Jr that's another word for fork
00:56 Diablo-D3 its bfs plus a few other patches
00:56 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: no, it requires the linux source
00:56 Diablo-D3 you have to apply the patch
00:56 Luke-Jr irrelevant
00:56 Luke-Jr that's just a technical way of distributing code
00:56 Diablo-D3 can someone ban Luke-Jr?
00:57 Diablo-D3 the signal to noise ratio in this channel went to shit when he came in
00:57 ben_vulpes needs one more negrate
00:57 Luke-Jr all a git repo is, is a patch set
00:57 ben_vulpes its a fascinating slapfight i gotta say
00:58 Diablo-D3 ben_vulpes: not much of a slapfight when I have written code, and so has ck, and Luke-Jr hasnt actually done anything.
00:58 ben_vulpes eh, link me
00:58 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: you're simply a liar, nothing more
00:58 Luke-Jr if anyone should be banned, it's you
00:58 Diablo-D3 Luke-Jr: I have seen your "code"
00:58 Diablo-D3 it is lol.
00:58 Diablo-D3 theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches
00:58 Luke-Jr Diablo-D3: you are lol
00:58 ben_vulpes until i see commits (ideally signed, but i don't think people were into that sort of thing back then) it's all hot air as far as i can tell
00:58 ben_vulpes hola nanotube
00:58 * nanotube haunts thestringpuller ooooOOOOO
00:58 Diablo-D3 ben_vulpes: diablominer is on github
00:58 Diablo-D3 hey nanotube
00:59 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually
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00:59 nanotube howdy folks :)
00:59 ben_vulpes Luke-Jr: oh and do explain why
00:59 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: plenty on https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer
00:59 assbot luke-jr/bfgminer GitHub
00:59 ben_vulpes Luke-Jr: lol i ain't digging through y'all's shitpile
01:00 ben_vulpes link me to introducing commits tho and i'll start to care
01:00 xanthyos someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores
01:00 xanthyos i can't NOT buy though
01:00 ben_vulpes yeah you can
01:00 ben_vulpes just don't
01:00 nanotube xanthyos: why not ask for a discount to spot
01:00 ben_vulpes 20% is what - 80 bucks per right now?
01:01 xanthyos i'll definitely round it in my favor
01:02 thestringpuller oh wow nanotube speaks!
01:02 thestringpuller you still feel the same about MagicalTux? ;)
01:04 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed
01:04 mircea_popescu <thestringpuller> did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company << 1 mn BITCOIN. get it straight.,
01:04 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: IIRC it was related to signing implying you have audited the complete state of the code, not just the diff
01:04 ben_vulpes well that's a load of malarkey.
01:05 ben_vulpes the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys
01:05 ben_vulpes a) lol
01:05 Luke-Jr probably also because git maintainers like to rebase commits regularly
01:05 ben_vulpes b) don't sign too often.
01:05 ben_vulpes well then the sig goes bad and tough luck.
01:05 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i don't know my history very well even though i lived it
01:05 thestringpuller ewww rebase commits
01:05 thestringpuller good way to lose your history
01:05 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: also, the sig can't prove who wrote the code anyway
01:06 ben_vulpes da
01:06 ben_vulpes fuq
01:06 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: it would be trivial for Con to take my commits and reauthor them with his own signature, for example
01:06 Luke-Jr (although I doubt he'd go that far)
01:06 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings
01:06 Luke-Jr thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/
01:06 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux << i don't think he ever revisits them or anytrhing
01:06 ben_vulpes wouldn't really pass an inspection tbh
01:07 Luke-Jr nanotube: wow, your new rating for Mark is harsh! :o
01:07 mircea_popescu <dub> thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken << nah. if you know who people are you know what to discount. if you don't know, you can't use their ratings anyway.
01:07 BingoBoingo nanotube ratings watch http://dpaste.com/05T9JSY
01:07 assbot dpaste: 05T9JSY
01:07 Luke-Jr nanotube: the news last I checked said the police don't buy the conspiracy theories
01:08 ben_vulpes police? what is this.
01:09 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: you know, the people investigating the MtGox incident
01:09 mircea_popescu well this banstuff has been an amusing read.
01:09 Luke-Jr who actually have access to information
01:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20631 @ 0.00074823 = 15.4367 BTC [-] {3}
01:09 Luke-Jr unlike me or most people
01:09 ben_vulpes yes, the entirely honest and upright japanese police.
01:09 mircea_popescu Luke-Jr you read some conspiracy theories about what the police is buying ?
01:10 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: conspiracy theories being people saying Mark did it, with no evidence
01:10 mircea_popescu <Luke-Jr> ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually << by idiots.
01:10 Luke-Jr police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information
01:10 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots?
01:11 mircea_popescu xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ?
01:11 Luke-Jr lol
01:11 BingoBoingo Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL?
01:11 ben_vulpes <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy?
01:11 Luke-Jr BingoBoingo: wat?
01:11 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: that's a point. XD
01:11 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
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01:12 ben_vulpes ;;rate luke-jr -1 tard, fud: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849440
01:12 assbot Logged on 29-09-2014 04:59:01; Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually
01:12 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user luke-jr has been recorded.
01:12 BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: Well, BFL has only very recently been shutdown and taken into recievership for merely doing what they've been doing for their entire run.
01:12 ben_vulpes !down Luke-Jr
01:12 nanotube Luke-Jr: not implying culpability, simply that i wouldn't trade with him given all the stuff hanging over his head
01:12 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? << the notion that "the police" has "the information" is such lmao.
01:12 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: what I said is true, even if you disagree with it
01:12 ben_vulpes well, you've got fifteen minutes, Luke-Jr. make the best of 'em.
01:12 mircea_popescu they've got what they finally managed to read on trilema, basically.
01:12 Luke-Jr BingoBoingo: did the feds at some point say BFL was legit?
01:13 Luke-Jr nanotube: ah, makes sense
01:13 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr
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01:13 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
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01:13 ben_vulpes Luke-Jr: your assertion of such doth not proof make.
01:13 BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: Never, one judge commented that there wasn't enough in front of him at the time to revoke Sonny's parole, far from an endorsement
01:13 Luke-Jr nanotube: btw, any idea why b-otc.com is broken?
01:13 Luke-Jr BingoBoingo: my point exactly
01:13 Luke-Jr BingoBoingo: Japanese police have stated they don't think Mark is involved in the crime
01:14 ben_vulpes he was still at the helm.
01:14 mircea_popescu no they didn't lol.
01:14 nanotube Luke-Jr: seems to work for me, just checked.
01:14 Luke-Jr ben_vulpes: yes, he screwed up big time
01:14 ben_vulpes it happened on his watch.
01:14 Luke-Jr nanotube: weird :/
01:14 mircea_popescu what the fuck dorkhead do you have to be to believe sssomething like that. "o the police said this guy isn't involved". how'd they know and why'd they say that.
01:14 ben_vulpes !up Diablo-D3
01:15 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: they're investigating the theft
01:15 mircea_popescu right.
01:15 Luke-Jr and have access to information we don't
01:15 mircea_popescu no, they don't.
01:15 Luke-Jr nanotube: try over IPv6?
01:15 BingoBoingo No reason police aren't for sale like anyone else.
01:15 mircea_popescu but that aside : that's the definition of "investigating" : they dion;t know who did what
01:15 mircea_popescu and who's not involved.
01:15 mircea_popescu just because the idiots you normally shill at can't read japanese doesn't mean you actually get to propose nonsense in here as fact.
01:16 Luke-Jr I don't shill.
01:17 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: too bad, I don't save every news article I read.
01:17 mircea_popescu right.
01:17 mircea_popescu because "news articles" are a source now.
01:17 ben_vulpes Luke-Jr: amusingly, you can't even find them when the time comes.
01:18 ben_vulpes not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways.
01:18 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: "news articles" was the topic
01:18 Dimsler Luke-Jr, wtf are you talking about
01:18 mircea_popescu but the very notion that "the police"'d have some sort of priviledged access to information...
01:18 mircea_popescu holy shit, that takes the cake.
01:18 Luke-Jr Dimsler: ?
01:18 Dimsler i know
01:18 nanotube mircea_popescu: they /should/ have the entire gox database, unlike the general public.
01:18 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: they do
01:18 mircea_popescu
01:18 mircea_popescu nanotube you mean that thing that was stolen off their servers 5x ?
01:19 mircea_popescu yeah, im sure they do o.o
01:19 Dimsler mircea_popescu, maybe they have access to the "secret" server
01:19 mircea_popescu yeah, right.
01:19 mircea_popescu maybe they have access to their own behinds.
01:19 Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: it's pretty obvious MagicalTux isn't allowed to publicly say a lot of stuff
01:19 mircea_popescu seems unlikely, giving what we know of public servants, but why not hoep.
01:19 Luke-Jr that stuff, the police have access to
01:19 nanotube mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions?
01:20 mircea_popescu yeah because co-conspirator testimony is like the be all end all of truthsources.
01:20 mircea_popescu nanotube now how would one know this ?
01:20 nanotube i distinctly recall it didn't have some of my earliest transactions :P
01:20 mircea_popescu which one of the leaked versions of which particular breach ?
01:21 nanotube also, were there usd input/outputs? or just btc?
01:21 nanotube haha i don't even know :P
01:21 mircea_popescu i rest.
01:21 mircea_popescu let's talk of something else, this can't not end up retarded.
01:21 nanotube hehe me too! sleep time :)
01:21 Luke-Jr XD
01:22 * Luke-Jr goes back to code
01:22 mircea_popescu don't forget to sign it.
01:22 mircea_popescu incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source.
01:22 mircea_popescu speaking of which,
01:22 mircea_popescu ;;seen molokodesk
01:22 gribble molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.
01:23 RagnarDanneskjol hes working on it hastily
01:23 mircea_popescu aite
01:23 ben_vulpes that's a poor way to work on things
01:23 RagnarDanneskjol i kno
01:23 mircea_popescu guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ?
01:23 ben_vulpes let's see if this works yet
01:23 mircea_popescu gotta work hygienically yo!
01:23 ben_vulpes !down Luke-Jr
01:24 mircea_popescu !down ben_vulpes
01:24 mircea_popescu oddly, you're reg'd
01:24 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot ben_vulpes
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01:24 ben_vulpes odd how?
01:24 mircea_popescu well if you're reg'd why doesn't the down take
01:24 ben_vulpes kakobrekla ?
01:24 ben_vulpes caching somewhere.
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01:27 ben_vulpes for the record, signing not your own commits is anathema and will eventually be outed.
01:27 ben_vulpes a signed tag is a different thing.
01:28 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes eh ?
01:28 RagnarDanneskjol explain signed tag pls
01:28 mircea_popescu why, if you've read it ?
01:28 ben_vulpes RagnarDanneskjol: you're familiar with tagging in git?
01:28 RagnarDanneskjol sure
01:28 RagnarDanneskjol why bettr or different
01:29 asciilifeform why commits shouldn't be PGP signed... leaks keys << sorta like the idea that one shouldn't blow nose - leaks brains. yes, given some misconfigurations of the body - this can actually happen.
01:29 mircea_popescu lol
01:29 ben_vulpes a commit is "i did this code"
01:29 mircea_popescu splendid analogy
01:29 ben_vulpes a tag is "this release bears my stamp"
01:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes can i commit code my slavegirl wrote on her offline abacus ?
01:29 RagnarDanneskjol OH yea
01:29 ben_vulpes tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch.
01:30 ben_vulpes you can do anything you want
01:30 ben_vulpes how your wot handles it is unresolved
01:30 mircea_popescu so then if i sign a commit you made, what's the problem ?
01:31 ben_vulpes why not encrypt messages to bitcoin private keys? it works, what's the problem?
01:31 mircea_popescu can you stick to arguing your idea instead of arguing around ?
01:32 ben_vulpes i'll try.
01:33 ben_vulpes the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen.
01:34 ben_vulpes and multiple people providing input into what precisely should be done. however, the buck must stop with the signer of the commit.
01:34 thestringpuller diff of commit hash in blockchain?
01:34 ben_vulpes also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective.
01:34 ben_vulpes er, commit.
01:35 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but see, if what you mean to say is "signing actual commits may be taking on more responsibility than you realise", why say "anathema" ?
01:35 mircea_popescu as far as i can see, all signatories of a thing are joint and several responsible for it.
01:35 ben_vulpes that's why the signatory of the commit can only be held responsible for changes introduced in that commit.
01:35 mircea_popescu if that's what you're trying to do, it's not anathema, it's the right thing. if it's not what you're trying to do it's still not anathema, just, you're misguidedly using the tools
01:36 ben_vulpes sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project.
01:36 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one.
01:36 ben_vulpes what would it mean for it to be in something that someone signed?
01:36 ben_vulpes that's the importance of signing the diff.
01:37 mircea_popescu well up to the signer what he signs.
01:37 ben_vulpes that's why the commit is the right thing for a contributor to sign.
01:37 ben_vulpes "i changed these things, and i take responsibility for the content of the change."
01:37 ben_vulpes now if you strip whitespace on a line that later turns out to have a mission-critical hole...
01:37 mircea_popescu sure, if that's what he means that's what he should do.
01:38 mircea_popescu mno.
01:38 mircea_popescu fuck you, don't dick around with lines you don't udnerstand.
01:38 mircea_popescu "all i did was the space guise" psshhhh
01:38 ben_vulpes d'accord.
01:38 mircea_popescu the entire point of the exercise is to make people fucking affraid to write code.
01:38 asciilifeform ^
01:38 ben_vulpes now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase".
01:39 mircea_popescu that' the only way they'll stop long enough to read something.
01:39 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's nonsense. what's this, a badly specified bitbet bet ?
01:39 ben_vulpes or, "this signed tag is my stamp on lines xx-yy in file thus.hs"
01:39 mircea_popescu no dude, you include what you sign between --begin and end
01:39 ben_vulpes i'm demonstrating the range of what's possible, not what i'd do.
01:39 mircea_popescu no signature-by-reference. now THAT'
01:39 mircea_popescu s anathema.
01:40 ben_vulpes and you probably want to hash the lines and sign the hash to boot.
01:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794835 << example of responsibility
01:40 assbot Logged on 13-08-2014 20:08:25; asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign.
01:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: right.
01:40 ben_vulpes what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own.
01:41 ben_vulpes if i find commits like that without a "copied without permission from XXX" -- that's a demerit.
01:41 asciilifeform (example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions)
01:42 asciilifeform as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause.
01:42 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you could only make people terrified in this system if everyone was required to sign commits no?
01:42 asciilifeform and yes, that means, e.g., linux kernel.
01:44 * asciilifeform back to sleep
01:44 ben_vulpes in 20 years, a bitcoin implementation may be software people's "masterpiece" work - eg the piece of work that grants one the title of "master" in the field.
01:45 ben_vulpes if i see this day i will be a happy man.
01:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5390 @ 0.00075234 = 4.0551 BTC [+]
01:54 thestringpuller isn't linux kind of that to operating systems?
01:54 thestringpuller ^ ben_vulpes
01:55 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. << why ?
01:55 mircea_popescu there's no permission to be had or sought. this is free software.
01:56 mircea_popescu thestringpuller no. girls aren't required to fuck anyone and yet they're well terrified of not doing a good job in bed.
01:58 Dimsler what about rape
02:03 mircea_popescu what abou it ?
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02:21 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what if someone doesn't sign "heartbleed introduction" then no one is accountable and system is moot
02:21 mircea_popescu don't use it if you don't like how it's signed.
02:21 thestringpuller but this means software that is signed everywhere has more accountability than software that doesn't
02:25 mircea_popescu right
02:29 mircea_popescu ;;isitdown bitbet.us
02:29 gribble bitbet.us is up
02:29 mircea_popescu da fuck.
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02:52 thestringpuller up for me?
03:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00074955 = 12.6674 BTC [-]
03:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00074928 = 10.9395 BTC [-]
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03:28 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 28,540.
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03:54 RagnarDanneskjol are there any time-bending' methods for proving a doc [notarized electronically*] is not added[forged] to db AFTER some point in time? like a 'carbondated' irrefutable binary marker [or tensor more like]. for instance, unique single use keypair for each new calendar day thats signed by [or a hash of] some other newly generated 'time-dependent' keypair + 'something else'[ie classified new
03:54 RagnarDanneskjol sapr ad but more easily recoverable]. we'll presume the date record of keys published is unreliable/unavail/innacurate [including classifieds which could fall into all 3 categories] and placing aside the single use pair being vulnerable to forger obtaining historical key pairs in advance.
03:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074918 = 12.4738 BTC [-]
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04:10 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol well how are you going to put the hash in a block retroactively ?
04:11 mircea_popescu but anyway, this discussion can continue tomorrow, i'm off.
04:11 RagnarDanneskjol assuming it is compromised (not thinking about btc here at all)
04:11 RagnarDanneskjol ok
04:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00074779 = 45.4656 BTC [-] {4}
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05:14 RagnarDanneskjol re carbondating notary - some concepts here for consideration [PMCP, reducing model checking many to few, etc] http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~kahlon/papers/many-to-few.pdf
05:14 RagnarDanneskjol also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation
05:14 assbot Einstein notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
05:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074946 = 1.1991 BTC [+] {2}
05:28 fluffypony bonjour davout
05:28 fluffypony Ça va?
05:28 davout bien le bonjour
05:28 davout oui et toi-même ?
05:29 fluffypony ça va comme ci, comme ça :)
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06:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25267 @ 0.00075274 = 19.0195 BTC [+] {2}
06:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075076 = 7.3574 BTC [-]
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07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16439 @ 0.00075103 = 12.3462 BTC [+] {2}
08:08 kakobrekla ben_vulpes nah, i just fucked around with the db while moving ass.
08:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28807 @ 0.0007505 = 21.6197 BTC [-] {2}
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09:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00075283 = 18.4443 BTC [+]
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10:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00075043 = 12.7948 BTC [-]
10:14 mats_cd03 03:06:03 decimation:before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked <<there's a 2013 model? whats the difference with 2012?
10:27 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849231 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#848053
10:27 assbot Logged on 29-09-2014 03:06:03; decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked
10:27 assbot Logged on 27-09-2014 19:41:17; kakobrekla: (first day i had it, it flew about 3m vertically on a concrete floor)
10:39 thestringpuller ;;ticker
10:39 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 381.0, Best ask: 381.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 381.01, 24 hour volume: 22154.10823573, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 393.51, 24 hour vwap: 379.630123584
10:40 ThickAsThieves !s thickasthieves 360s
10:40 assbot 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s
10:40 ThickAsThieves !s thickasthieves 360s
10:40 assbot 0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s
10:40 ThickAsThieves !s thickasthieves 360
10:40 assbot 2 results for 'thickasthieves 360' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360
10:40 ThickAsThieves derp
10:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00075043 = 18.9108 BTC [-]
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11:15 ThickAsThieves "Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers."
11:15 ThickAsThieves "The machines being tested were collectively hashing at a rate of 12 terrahashes per second (TH/s). At that time, this comprised approximately 3 percent of the hash rate of the entire bitcoin network."
11:16 ThickAsThieves http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-butterfly-labs-mined-bitcoins-on-customers-boxes-before-shipping/
11:16 assbot Feds: Butterfly Labs mined bitcoins on customers boxes before shipping | Ars Technica
11:17 los_pantalones then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker
11:21 ThickAsThieves Circle is open for business, that should halve Coinbase's lifespan
11:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00074726 = 21.4837 BTC [-] {3}
11:33 ben_vulpes their hamburger menu illustration is hilarious
11:33 ben_vulpes er
11:33 ben_vulpes animation
11:37 ThickAsThieves "Create a password" "minimum 6 characters"
11:38 ThickAsThieves lol Intuit just responded to a 2yr-old service request from a developer that used to work for me
11:39 ThickAsThieves "Hi, I'm interested in developing integration apps with Quickbooks online. May I sign up for a one year developer account?" too late Intuit
11:40 ben_vulpes why does everything suck, ThickAsThieves
11:40 ben_vulpes one guy says to hire a whole payroll company
11:40 ben_vulpes another guy says to just use quickbooks payroll
11:40 ben_vulpes i don't know wtf to do
11:40 ben_vulpes BUSINESS IS LIFE UNDER UNCERTAINTY
11:42 TomServo Am I seeing this right? Lenovo is paying less for IBMs server division than M$ paid for Mojang?
11:43 TomServo Is this bizarro world?
11:43 mats_cd03 minecraft is a big deal and i think that's often understated in this channel
11:46 * chetty hasn't noticed anyone even talking about minecraft here ..
11:47 mats_cd03 !s mojang
11:47 assbot 4 results for 'mojang' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mojang
11:47 chetty ben_vulpes, if you have employees where you have to do withholding and stuff, hire an outfit, cheaper in the long run
11:49 ThickAsThieves <+ben_vulpes> one guy says to hire a whole payroll company /// in my experience doing your own payroll via QBO is better than paying ADP or such, but only if your staff knows some amount of accounting and tax filing
11:49 ThickAsThieves it does make it easy, but at the risk of not knowing wtf to do if you have a problem and no accounting support
11:50 chetty all the assorted tax filings and stuff are real time eaters
11:51 ThickAsThieves and QBO doesnt make it clear when/what you need to mail yourself, vs submit online
11:51 ThickAsThieves i learned by doing and it took a couple years to clean up the mess
11:51 ben_vulpes > couple years
11:51 ben_vulpes nope
11:51 ben_vulpes thanks chetty, ThickAsThieves
11:51 chetty been a few years since I did that sort of stuff but back then giving up and hiring a company was best move I made
11:52 ThickAsThieves being a loner is where it's at
11:53 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/fans-raise-cash-to-help-phone-phreaker-john-draper-aka-capn-crunch << had no idea he was alive
11:53 assbot Fans raise cash to help phone phreaker John Draper, aka Capn Crunch | Ars Technica
11:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/my-coworkers-made-me-use-mac-os-9-for-their-and-your-amusement
11:54 assbot My coworkers made me use Mac OS 9 for their (and your) amusement | Ars Technica
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12:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00074597 = 36.0304 BTC [-] {4}
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00074764 = 6.6914 BTC [+]
12:38 ben_vulpes http://online.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-protests-swell-as-riot-police-withdraw-1411979074?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories << contrast w/ "occupy"
12:38 assbot Hong Kong Protests Swell as Riot Police Withdraw - WSJ
12:42 mircea_popescu ;;rated PeterL
12:42 gribble You have not yet rated user PeterL
12:44 mircea_popescu ;;rate PeterL 1 Guy fucked up his glbse assets 3 years ago. This is a fact. That fact may be explained as a smart guy failing in a soup of idiots, and the optimist in me is inclined towards it.
12:44 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded.
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13:01 mircea_popescu !up justusranvier
13:02 justusranvier morning
13:03 mircea_popescu how goes ?
13:04 chetty http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170977/gov%E2%80%99t-works-on-criminal-law-reform-to-fight-%E2%80%98blue%E2%80%99-dollar-
13:04 assbot Govt works on criminal law reform to fight blue dollar - BuenosAiresHerald.com
13:04 ThickAsThieves lol now Intuit gave the 1yr dev subscription...
13:05 mircea_popescu huh ?
13:07 justusranvier mircea_popescu: FYI: https://plus.google.com/events/c3hmjaeivvnd6oj02hvdo1ca658
13:08 mircea_popescu justusranvier what am i lookin' at ?
13:08 mircea_popescu Michael Goldstein presentats a tutorial on GPG contracts and the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. < that ?
13:09 justusranvier We started syndicating our weekly bitcoin meetups.
13:09 justusranvier So now they'll be put on YouTube
13:09 justusranvier Instead of just teaching classes to the people who show up in person it spreads the reach a bit
13:10 justusranvier He'll be talking about your GPG Contracts article.
13:10 mircea_popescu aite, how can i help ?
13:11 justusranvier Maybe one of these days you could get on a Hangout with us for a Q&A.
13:13 asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-strategic-mission-list.pdf << mega-lol
13:13 mircea_popescu what's a hangout ?
13:13 asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/T0za6UsQ << deturdified
13:13 assbot SECRET//COMINT//REL TO USA, AUS, CAN, GBR//20291123 United States SIGINT System - Pastebin.com
13:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol i saw that.
13:14 justusranvier mircea_popescu: Google's answer to Skype. Useful in that you can stream/record to YouTube
13:14 mircea_popescu why must the format be bulky and impossible ? can't we do this ?
13:14 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/headlines-documents-ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining-case/
13:15 justusranvier mircea_popescu: Example: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8tHKJLkEYXX_C_yuDop1kC6UMozzCKXq
13:15 assbot Austin Bitcoin Meetup Guest Speaker Series - YouTube
13:15 mircea_popescu do this : hire a chick wherever your studio is located. i'll pay for her tiome, give her an xchat terminal and she can read my replies.
13:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.0007459 = 11.4123 BTC [-] {2}
13:17 justusranvier mircea_popescu: Could work
13:21 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining/
13:22 mircea_popescu !up moldysnizz
13:23 moldysnizz Well howdy!
13:24 mircea_popescu how goes
13:25 moldysnizz It's pretty good so far. Slept in. No one around but a couple of dogs. Still breathing... Good shit right here.
13:25 moldysnizz And I only fucked up my ;;bcverify once!
13:29 moldysnizz I've been trying to wrap my head around rand().
13:29 moldysnizz Computers making randome numbers? I don't think so.
13:30 kakobrekla ;;gettrust moldysnizz
13:30 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask moldysnizz!~moldysniz@unaffiliated/moldysnizz. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user moldysnizz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=moldysnizz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moldysnizz | Rated since: never
13:31 moldysnizz I was formarly chatquack, but the computer with the creds is in storage.
13:31 jurov govt storage?
13:31 moldysnizz heh
13:32 moldysnizz Parents garage. ;)
13:33 mircea_popescu lol
13:34 kakobrekla moldysnizz you prolly need to read everything ascii ever said.
13:34 moldysnizz In reguards to rand()?
13:35 kakobrekla correct
13:35 moldysnizz regards**
13:35 moldysnizz *goes to the site*
13:35 kakobrekla one star is enough
13:35 TheNewDeal ***
13:35 kakobrekla now fix it with "regards***"
13:35 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHz9wlBeLUa
13:35 assbot Madonna - Lucky Star - YouTube
13:36 moldysnizz regards! heh.
13:36 jurov dunno, large part of that material is scattered around trilema
13:36 kakobrekla !s from:asciilifeform
13:36 assbot 26135 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform
13:36 jurov related to cardano rng
13:36 kakobrekla moldysnizz ^^
13:36 moldysnizz ty
13:36 mircea_popescu !s "state of sin"
13:36 assbot 7 results for '"state of sin"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22state+of+sin%22
13:36 TheNewDeal Randomly scattered around trilema?
13:36 kakobrekla not so randomly!
13:37 kakobrekla quasi randomly perhaps
13:37 jurov where did i wrote randomly?
13:37 mircea_popescu there is method to this random!
13:37 kakobrekla where did i wrote you wrote?
13:37 jurov not you, TheNewDeal
13:37 mircea_popescu jurov looks like your buffer got injected :D
13:37 kakobrekla lel
13:37 jurov kako's too
13:37 kakobrekla we better sign irc lines
13:38 * asciilifeform just saw, through window, an ornate 'sheriff' car, stopped. woman in police uniform emerges, tries to serve some kind of legal notice printed on large stiff paper to neighbour - who isn't home. she gets back in, drives off.
13:38 TheNewDeal It was mostly a joke, on the topic of rand() ya know
13:38 kakobrekla dud idk random jokes are so rand()
13:39 moldysnizz wakka wakka
13:39 TheNewDeal Ikr lol
13:39 jurov dat my mind. just produced a thought "what if we measure trilema entropy? and what if it ends up being over-unity?"
13:40 bounce txtspk, bringing humanity into easy AI territory from the other end
13:40 TheNewDeal Makes me remember the markov chain trilema
13:40 mircea_popescu jurov no wai
13:40 mircea_popescu THESE INSULTS!!!1
13:41 jurov ...
13:41 moldysnizz http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674
13:41 assbot Logged on 22-03-2014 17:19:21; asciilifeform: incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni
13:41 mircea_popescu trilema entropy is 0
13:41 mircea_popescu you just gotta know how to read it
13:42 mircea_popescu unfortunately, it is a skill i seem to have mysplaced myself ;/
13:42 bounce s/spl/sp/
13:42 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-witch-hunt/
13:43 jurov trilema entropy is 0 << means 1 bit of trilema text contains 0 bits of information?
13:43 mircea_popescu no, by way of 1 bit of trilema contsaining 1 bit of information and so no room for this entropy cheez
13:44 asciilifeform 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
13:44 kakobrekla isnt that a bit fast
13:45 bounce "security by lack of entropy" -- my, wouldn't that be useful
13:45 mircea_popescu ;;google time is going by really slow i think we might be dead
13:45 gribble I think we're dead - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U>; Police Officer steals Marijuana. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU>; What 3 things did you learn while you were in a near-death - TED.com: <http://www.ted.com/conversations/2306/what_3_things_did_you_learn_wh.html>
13:45 mircea_popescu bounce it's basically asciilifeform's plan for computing.
13:46 asciilifeform !s stone sword
13:46 assbot 2 results for 'stone sword' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stone+sword
13:46 kakobrekla !s hammer phone
13:46 assbot 2 results for 'hammer phone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hammer+phone
13:47 mircea_popescu !s biggus dickus
13:47 assbot 0 results for 'biggus dickus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=biggus+dickus
13:47 mircea_popescu fixed now.
13:47 moldysnizz He has a wife you know
13:47 kakobrekla lel
13:49 moldysnizz http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/ intresting stuff!
13:49 assbot Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
13:51 mircea_popescu moldysnizz yeah!
13:55 jurov !up moldysnizz
13:57 jurov !up moldysnizz
13:57 moldysnizz mircea_popescu, did you ever get a decent prototype of that RNG device working?
13:57 moldysnizz thanks jurov!
13:58 kakobrekla moldysnizz http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri1.jpg
13:58 moldysnizz ooo fun!
13:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074764 = 7.9997 BTC [+]
14:00 moldysnizz Is this like a Arduino?
14:00 kakobrekla exactly like except completely opposite.
14:02 * asciilifeform not sure how item in question could have been confused for 'arduino' - other than in both being small electrical gizmos
14:02 kakobrekla both pcbs are blue
14:03 * asciilifeform digs
14:03 asciilifeform yes indeed - apparently an 'arduino' - blue.
14:03 mircea_popescu moldysnizz a prototype, yes.
14:03 * asciilifeform never had one, didn't know
14:03 * kakobrekla has a few
14:04 asciilifeform kakobrekla: they're 'atmel'-something-or-others with a bunch of convenient plugs, yeah?
14:04 moldysnizz http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427 ahh I didn't relize it was it's own thing. Looks fun!
14:04 assbot Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.
14:04 bounce clearly, for production you must come up with an unique colour
14:05 kakobrekla asciilifeform basically yea. you also have the arm editions in same package.
14:06 asciilifeform moldysnizz: this particular item (trng) is a very simple but safety-critical (hence amount of effort spent on it) component of a larger apparatus.
14:07 moldysnizz Right? Any decent crypto needs decent rng.
14:08 moldysnizz I'm love'n it.
14:08 kakobrekla i guess i expressed myself wrongly, as atmel indeed prints arm
14:09 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i thought 'arduino' used an 'atmega'
14:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075066 = 8.7077 BTC [+]
14:09 kakobrekla theres hundredths of versions and editions
14:10 kakobrekla arm example http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/images/product/Taijiuino/
14:10 asciilifeform i never really grasped the appeal
14:10 mircea_popescu ;;seen davout
14:10 gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?
14:10 asciilifeform how hard is it to plant a micro in a breadboard or simple pcb ?
14:10 punkman asciilifeform: the selling point is mostly the Arduino IDE
14:10 mircea_popescu davout http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/#c4057 << you got a comment on this ?
14:10 assbot BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.87 B (8%) on Yes, 10.09 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 36`753 (100`000 to 1)
14:10 asciilifeform ide << what's in there? sdcc?
14:10 kakobrekla ide sux balls.
14:10 punkman and the "community"
14:11 asciilifeform or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ?
14:11 kakobrekla i use em for dicking around mostly
14:13 kakobrekla and bobms.
14:13 mircea_popescu !up vorandrew
14:13 kakobrekla bombs
14:13 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> exactly like except completely opposite. << lmao
14:14 * asciilifeform can't read word 'arduino' without immediately thinking 'aradruin' from j.r.r.t's 'silmarillion' (and ru. translation of 'lord of rings')
14:16 punkman cardanduino
14:16 jurov !mpif
14:16 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
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14:17 * moldysnizz chuckles
14:17 moldysnizz Well, I have a shit-ton of reading now. Thanks for the info.
14:18 moldysnizz I'm going to make my own TRNG. With hookers, and blackjack!
14:18 mircea_popescu since you're doing that might as well go the whole nine yards
14:18 jurov mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF has no text
14:18 assbot F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614
14:18 mircea_popescu make your own grilfriend
14:19 mircea_popescu jurov looking
14:20 asciilifeform grilfriend << 'i'm cooked on that side, please turn me over' (st lawrence of rome?)
14:21 * kakobrekla never watched lord of the rings
14:21 mircea_popescu me either.
14:21 asciilifeform good book, but you need to be a kid to appreciate imho
14:22 asciilifeform the film - depends if you go in for that kind of film
14:22 kakobrekla wtf is with the round stones in the mpif fund, did you invest in that ?
14:23 asciilifeform ;;google round stones beneath the earth
14:23 gribble Neil Young - The Round Stones Beneath The Earth (Dead Man ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQk8fborG4>; Dead Man Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: <http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html>; The Round Stones Beneath the Earth... — Neil Young — Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/music/Neil+Young/_/The+Round+Stones+Beneath+the+Earth...>
14:24 mircea_popescu jurov http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=F.MPIF <
14:24 assbot F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614
14:24 mircea_popescu kakobrekla wait wut ?
14:24 jurov gut :)
14:25 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849932
14:25 assbot Logged on 29-09-2014 18:16:19; assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
14:25 mircea_popescu that'd be mike's doing
14:26 kakobrekla speaking of mike
14:26 kakobrekla ;;seen mike_c
14:26 gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
14:26 jurov but the phrase is from assbot's fortune file?
14:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20899 @ 0.00075138 = 15.7031 BTC [+] {2}
14:26 kakobrekla !mpif
14:26 assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. Have you got any tobacco?
14:26 kakobrekla lel
14:27 kakobrekla its prolly the fact i cant code
14:28 kakobrekla will that keep me off the list btw?
~ 17 minutes ~
14:46 chetty news.yahoo.com/israeli-circumcision-device-provokes-union-outcry-south-africa-141537701.html
14:49 nubbins` chetty, there's a die antwoord song featuring a xhosa guy talking about circumcision
14:49 nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbW9JqM7vho
14:49 assbot Die Antwoord - Evil Boy (Explicit Version) - YouTube
14:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.0007472 = 2.2259 BTC [-]
14:51 mircea_popescu kakobrekla NO!
14:52 kakobrekla :(
14:53 Blazedout419 nubbins` got my poster!
14:53 fluffypony please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins`
14:54 Blazedout419 Looks really nice...now to have it framed.
14:54 nubbins` ah hahaha, fp is having an aneurysm no doubt
14:54 nubbins` Blazedout419 great!
14:54 fluffypony nubbins`: well the thing is, they're not even satirical or funny
14:55 fluffypony they just take tidbits and snippets of red-neck society and then blow it completely out of proportion to try and make it "shocking"
14:58 mircea_popescu fluffypony sounds like a decent recipe for humor neh ?
14:59 fluffypony one would think so
14:59 fluffypony but in doing so they mostly come across as "meh" instead of shocking
14:59 mircea_popescu "Die Antwoord (pronounced [di'ɑnt.ʋoːrt], translation: "The Answer") is a South African rap-rave group formed in Cape Town in 2008."
14:59 mircea_popescu ok nm lol.
14:59 mircea_popescu rave. srsly ?
15:01 fluffypony yeah, see my point?
15:01 fluffypony :-P
15:01 mircea_popescu i do actually.
15:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00074646 = 10.9483 BTC [-] {2}
15:09 xanthyos IT IS OFFICIAL. THE SOCIALIST DANIEL VITA OF LANGLEY, BRITISH COLUMBIA, HAS ELECTED TO STARVE TO DEATH.
15:14 thestringpuller good afternoon homies
15:14 thestringpuller mircea_popescu i have a quick question about the cardano
15:14 mircea_popescu shoot
15:15 kakobrekla is topace gone from irc for good?
15:17 xanthyos https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuR-E1CcAICyNh.jpg << THIS GUY IS UNSKILLED AT SITTING ON AN AIR MATTRESS
15:19 mircea_popescu xanthyos got a problem down there ?
15:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00074936 = 7.6809 BTC [+]
15:20 asciilifeform thestringpuller: if your question relates to design or manufacture, it is possible that i can help you
15:20 Apocalyptic xanthyos, less caps ?
15:21 xanthyos ya
15:21 nubbins` o wow, just signed up for a circle account and used it for the first time
15:22 kakobrekla thestringpuller yes, the pcb is blue.
15:22 nubbins` such easy
15:22 mircea_popescu can we be friends anymoar ?
15:23 nubbins` imagine, buying btc with a credit card
15:23 kakobrekla nubbins` did you encounter any amount of jerk with that?
15:23 nubbins` kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit
15:23 nubbins` transferred $50 from my credit card, immediately withdrew to cold storage address
15:23 Dimsler lol circled
15:23 nubbins` gonna wait a few days to verify cc fees and do the same in reverse
15:24 Dimsler wait
15:24 Dimsler circle will take CC and convert to btc?
15:24 nubbins` yes
15:24 Dimsler has anyone fed it hacked lines yet?
15:24 nubbins` warning: cash advance fees may apply
15:24 Dimsler whats the approval process?
15:24 nubbins` no approval process, you just enter your billing details
15:24 Dimsler no shit
15:25 mircea_popescu <nubbins`> kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit << ouch :D
15:25 mircea_popescu so basically... just as long as wasn't a big shit.
15:25 nubbins` mp eat more fibre ;)
15:25 kakobrekla or bricks
15:25 Dimsler too much steak
15:25 mircea_popescu Dimsler> has anyone fed it hacked lines yet? << i imagine not really so far.
15:25 nubbins` what amazes me is that they managed to insure this whole process somehow
15:25 mircea_popescu yet.
15:26 Dimsler circle is going down
15:26 Dimsler once the nigerians hear about it taking cc
15:26 Dimsler for btc
15:26 Duffer1 that all sounds ripe for abuse
15:26 Dimsler i know
15:26 Dimsler sitting there feeding cvvs
15:28 thestringpuller asciilifeform: it relates to "intended use". I want to know if a certain scenario is in scope.
15:28 asciilifeform thestringpuller: ideally, ask here, but if you must - pgp
15:28 asciilifeform i can't think of any reason not to ask publiclyh
15:28 thestringpuller We are talking publicly?
15:29 thestringpuller I was just wondering if you were in the mood to take questions :P
15:29 Dimsler who the fuck is stringpuller
15:29 kakobrekla is in scope if you hook it up to one
15:29 thestringpuller :D
15:29 asciilifeform i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum
15:29 nubbins` oh lel, my visa-enabled debit card works, too
15:30 Dimsler lol wow
15:30 Dimsler no idea verification?
15:30 kakobrekla see nubbins` try out his 584 cards going broke
15:30 Dimsler er
15:30 Dimsler ID
15:30 nubbins` Dimsler nope just cvv
15:30 Dimsler whats the limit to load in?
15:30 nubbins` $500 per week, it seems
15:31 mircea_popescu Dimsler what a stupid q lol. how would they enforce a limit ?
15:31 mircea_popescu 10k ips, 10k stolen cards, 10k bitcoins and womenz ain't one.
15:31 Dimsler LOL
15:31 Duffer1 yep
15:31 Dimsler 10k bitcoin = womenz
15:32 mircea_popescu ;;got 99 problems womenz ain't one
15:32 gribble Error: "got" is not a valid command.
15:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: let's have your scenario.
15:32 mircea_popescu ;;google got 99 problems womenz ain't one
15:32 thestringpuller asciilifeform: could the cardano be used as a blackbox key generator? for instance someone once escrow keys that are one time use, the device can sign a message utilizing these generated keys, but they are inevitably destroyed, and no one has true record of the private keys used to sign said message
15:32 gribble I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one>; I swear to God I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one /.. – All Me: <http://rap.genius.com/2053385/Drake-all-me/I-swear-to-god-i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one-i-got-99-problems-getting-rich-aint-one>; Spreadshirt Women's 99 Problems But My (1 more message)
15:32 thestringpuller i apologize for the disarray of thoughts. a dpaste more flushed out maybe more beneficial in terms of relating the scenario
15:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: how do you (operator of device) intend to prove to your counterparty that you destroyed key ?
15:33 Dimsler rm -rf
15:33 Dimsler duh
15:33 thestringpuller the counterparty is in the room and takes the cardano as part of the deal
15:33 thestringpuller however the person generating the keys flips the switch
15:33 Dimsler seriously anytype of scenario where a private key has to be trusted leaves room for malice
15:33 thestringpuller to delete them
15:33 asciilifeform thestringpuller: how does your counterparty know that your cardano behaves as printed on the tin, and is not a substitute of identical appearance which you built in evil lab ?
15:34 asciilifeform thestringpuller: or that you have not replaced firmware with your own, that spits out a predestined set of keys cyclically ever time zap is thrown ?
15:34 thestringpuller how do people know the cardano came from you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu 's "good lab" in the first place?
15:34 Dimsler signed
15:35 asciilifeform thestringpuller: if you have concerns about solidity of design - you will have to study the published specs (upcoming) before considering purchasing device.
15:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14616 @ 0.00075199 = 10.9911 BTC [+] {4}
15:35 nubbins` then buy the t-shirt
15:35 thestringpuller no concerns just trying to see if use case i possible
15:36 asciilifeform if you have concerns about supply chain - there is no choice, assuming you wish to use device, other than to examine your particular unit.
15:36 thestringpuller is*
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't get the logic in your last two
15:36 mircea_popescu so the guy is supposed to study the design, to find out if it comes fro mevil lab ?
15:36 asciilifeform no
15:36 asciilifeform this is the #1 most asked question
15:36 thickasthieves to learn how to audit
15:36 asciilifeform 'why should i believe you'
15:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bt YOU asked HIM
15:36 asciilifeform aha
15:36 asciilifeform yes.
15:37 thickasthieves i recall you stating buyer can replace parts
15:37 Dimsler what a silly conversation
15:37 mircea_popescu ikr.
15:37 Dimsler honestly there still a certain level of trust
15:37 Dimsler that has to occur
15:37 asciilifeform i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel.
15:37 Dimsler i mean what are you nit picking at?
15:37 asciilifeform that will broker transactions for him, be instantly recognizable as angelic on sight by a counterparty, etc.
15:37 thickasthieves you cannot remove trust from human dealing
15:37 Dimsler i know
15:38 Dimsler thestringpuller, quit trolling
15:38 asciilifeform let's rephrase. why, in just about any army in the world, soldier must carry and care for his own rifle?
15:38 asciilifeform why not a barrel full of rifles, handed out before attack.
15:38 nubbins` ooh i know
15:38 thestringpuller asciilifeform: i see.
15:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually this is how it was done during romanian revolution
15:39 asciilifeform well if only source for rifles is plundered arsenal - yes
15:39 mircea_popescu coupla guys showed up at state tel;evsion building, dumped a sack of machine guns on floor
15:39 mircea_popescu everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants
15:39 mircea_popescu "get one, might be handy"
15:39 asciilifeform lol
15:39 mircea_popescu true story.
15:39 Dimsler lol
15:39 asciilifeform what were they? kalash clones ?
15:40 mircea_popescu (not really machine guns as in, three person platform fired band fed. shitty mps)
15:40 mircea_popescu ;;google pistolul automat carpati
15:40 gribble Pistoale | Comparison tables - SocialCompare: <http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/arme-1bce5qox>; Infanteria Română – 180 de ani - Revista Forţelor Terestre: <http://www.rft.forter.ro/_wsn/01_biblioteca/pdf/c-006-infanteria-romana-180-de-ani.pdf>; teroristii din decembrie 1989 « The Romanian Revolution of ...: <http://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.com/tag (1 more message)
15:40 xanthyos capslock on the internet is the death throe of the loud poor man
15:40 thestringpuller asciilifeform: mechanical angel << well cardano is resistant to DPA, isn't this an angelic property?
15:40 thickasthieves caps lock key shouldnt even exist imo
15:41 xanthyos it made sense on mechanical typewriters
15:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Md._1986 < that thing
15:41 assbot PA Md. 1986 - Wikipedia
15:41 thickasthieves back when typing in all caps was okay?
15:41 asciilifeform thestringpuller: try to understand the idea. your particular unit, which you unpack, (optionally) study under microscope, replace various parts (optionally) with old stock, etc. - you can vouch for the properties of.
15:41 xanthyos back when people used to troll with paper
15:41 asciilifeform another fellow who pulls out a visually-similar apparatus - what can you say about his.
15:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looks like ordinary kalash
15:42 thestringpuller asciilifeform: oh now i see. i was once blind. thanks for giving me eyes.
15:42 mircea_popescu "România, membră a Tratatului de la Varșovia, a decis trecerea la noul calibru la începutul anilor 1980. În loc să fabrice direct o copie a automatului AK-74, conducerea de la București a decis dezvoltarea unei arme independent de cea sovietică. Rezultatul, Pușca Automată Model 1986, deși similară familiei AK-74, avea unele elemente constructive proprii. "
15:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, they used to sell them - here! a few hundred usd.
15:42 mircea_popescu moved to the m16-inspired vietnam 5.56, in 1980, but decided to make own gun
15:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how they ended up in america - who knows!
15:42 nubbins` thickasthieves: you obviously grew up in the age of varying-case fonts
15:42 mircea_popescu ended up with clone with "some own elements"
15:43 mircea_popescu it's really not a very good gun
15:43 nubbins` should be a lower-case lock key IMO.
15:43 Dimsler well romanian aks are pretty nice
15:43 Dimsler probably the best one vs an original russian one
15:43 asciilifeform goes 'bang' when pull trigger, that's generally all people ask for around here
15:43 Dimsler what year did romanian aks go to mild receivers?
15:43 Dimsler er milled
15:44 asciilifeform american aficionados grumble about ro. metallurgy
15:44 kakobrekla asciilifeform also 'not in the face' ?
15:44 asciilifeform but i can't say specifically why
15:44 mircea_popescu Dimsler not an expert, but prolly the 70s.
15:44 asciilifeform not in the face << obligatory:
15:44 asciilifeform ;;google project eldest son
15:44 gribble Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son>; Project Eldest Son – The U.S. Scheme to Sabotage Charlie's Rifles |: <http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/11/15/project-eldest-son-the-secret-u-s-scheme-to-sabotage-charlies-ammo/>; Project Eldest Son: Covert Ammo Sabotage in Vietnam | Field ...: (1 more message)
15:45 asciilifeform ^ where the ubiquitous image of 'kalash that fires backwards' came from
15:45 thickasthieves i think mp or someone already shared something like this, but http://dpaste.com/1ACV2MC
15:45 assbot dpaste: 1ACV2MC: You Have a New Comment, by tat
15:46 Dimsler lol
15:46 asciilifeform broken spamatron.
15:46 Dimsler the ak is pretty decent for back fires
15:47 asciilifeform the 'eldest son' trick would work on almost any small arm
15:47 asciilifeform or hell, even artillery piece
15:47 kakobrekla cool
15:47 thickasthieves bfl made these http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/M4J11vT.jpg
15:48 nubbins` lel I KNOW RIGHT
15:48 Dimsler LOL
15:48 asciilifeform (americans simply replaced one or two shells' powder with tetryl, resealed container, and left it for enemy to find as a trophy)
15:49 kakobrekla Y I NO SHIP? I R AIRPLANE.
15:49 asciilifeform out of curiosity, q for the aficionados: is there any mining hw vendor that is innocent of the scam 'bfl' is known to have carried out ?
15:50 thickasthieves i'd say no
15:50 kakobrekla fury?
15:50 thickasthieves ah maybe them
15:50 thickasthieves asicminer did technically IPO before they had a thing
15:50 thickasthieves though they never took customer money w/o shipping
15:51 asciilifeform but is there even one asic vendor that didn't mine with customer-paid chips before shipping ?
15:51 kakobrekla fury
15:51 thickasthieves they also have the best logo
15:51 thickasthieves amazing
15:51 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
15:51 asciilifeform not even 'testing' ?
15:52 * kakobrekla got his chips before he managed to get em running
15:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7724 @ 0.00075288 = 5.8152 BTC [+]
15:53 The20YearIRCloud Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin
15:54 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it.
15:54 The20YearIRCloud Very much so , i have several
15:54 mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud yeah mostly
15:54 The20YearIRCloud Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it.
15:55 punkman this circle thing works, just grabbed a cheap coin
15:55 The20YearIRCloud And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number
15:55 nubbins` punkman +1 amirite
15:55 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: afaik there's some national list of prohibited features
15:55 The20YearIRCloud So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip.
15:56 punkman nubbins`: almost +1
15:56 The20YearIRCloud It's a limited group asciilifeform : No barrels under 16" , gun must be 26" or longer, no fully auto/burst. No shotguns under 18" barrel.
15:56 punkman surprised it worked in this shithole
15:56 * asciilifeform wonders if small arms makers in usa spend more on metals, machining, or lawyers
15:56 The20YearIRCloud Labor
15:56 The20YearIRCloud The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker
15:56 asciilifeform sue (civil action) or prosecute ?
15:56 The20YearIRCloud Correct
15:57 punkman nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them?
15:57 The20YearIRCloud Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s
15:57 asciilifeform let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long.
15:57 asciilifeform how you prove it was 18 when left your shop ?
15:57 The20YearIRCloud Depends on what kind of inspection you're talking about
15:57 nubbins` punkman any major action required a SMS verification code
15:58 asciilifeform whatever kind of inspection (ianal)
15:58 The20YearIRCloud Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification
15:58 asciilifeform yes - of design
15:58 The20YearIRCloud If it's a prototype, and you have a commercial manufacture license, you can fix that
15:58 asciilifeform but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item
15:58 The20YearIRCloud If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length
15:58 The20YearIRCloud It's very, very difficult
15:58 asciilifeform no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.'
15:59 The20YearIRCloud SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit
15:59 asciilifeform you: 'it was 18. you sawed it off at fbi headquarters.'
15:59 The20YearIRCloud Depends on commercial manufacture or doing it yourself
15:59 Duffer1 welding a muzzle device counts too
15:59 asciilifeform inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!'
15:59 The20YearIRCloud Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform
15:59 The20YearIRCloud becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it
16:00 asciilifeform that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.'
16:00 The20YearIRCloud Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family
16:00 asciilifeform but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office.
16:01 The20YearIRCloud law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker
16:01 Duffer1 forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity
16:01 The20YearIRCloud where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun.
16:04 asciilifeform just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business.
16:04 asciilifeform since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor,
16:05 asciilifeform they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot.
16:06 nubbins` ;;tslb
16:06 gribble Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
16:06 nubbins` hm
16:06 nubbins` no kidding
16:06 asciilifeform in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets
16:06 The20YearIRCloud or legal ones
16:07 asciilifeform this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years
16:07 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-internal-log/
16:07 asciilifeform owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)
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16:09 asciilifeform you: 'i wanted a belousov–zhabotinsky reaction.' judge: 'you want chemisty - go to a store.' you: 'can't buy in a store' judge:
16:09 asciilifeform 'then illegal'
16:09 nubbins` !up PeterL
16:09 nubbins` use it wisely
16:09 PeterL asciilifeform: presumably the gun manufactureres keep records of what they produce
16:10 asciilifeform PeterL: you don't get it, do you
16:10 PeterL signed by the techs certifiying they meet specs
16:10 PeterL then they can use those docs in court
16:10 asciilifeform PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this'
16:10 PeterL then they would have to prove records were falsified
16:11 asciilifeform really.
16:11 asciilifeform this is the basic 'kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem
16:11 asciilifeform any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem
16:11 asciilifeform in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases.
16:11 asciilifeform because in as far as prosecutor goes - he has easy life. i.e. an illegal $item with your name on it
16:12 asciilifeform 'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.'
16:12 PeterL I wonder if this has been tried in court yet?
16:12 asciilifeform depends on what you mean by 'this'
16:13 PeterL your example, modified gun used to prosecute manufacturer of record?
16:14 asciilifeform PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun.
16:14 asciilifeform gun is just one example.
16:15 PeterL could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"?
16:15 asciilifeform yes.
16:15 mircea_popescu <nubbins`> use it wisely << actually he can selfvoice nao.
16:15 asciilifeform (ask lawyer, see if agrees. as i understand - yes.)
16:16 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the
16:16 PeterL but any organic lab will have those ingredients
16:16 mircea_popescu 'why can't miracles be accepted in science"
16:16 mircea_popescu and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist.
16:16 mircea_popescu any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but.
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16:16 asciilifeform ^
16:16 Duffer1 i believe it would be enough for an arrest, prosecution would be more difficult
16:16 asciilifeform exactly what i was trying to explain here.
16:16 nubbins` mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?!
16:16 nubbins` !down PeterL
16:16 Duffer1 arrest if an officer wanted to fuck with you
16:16 mircea_popescu nubbins` perhaps he doesn't know it yet ?
16:17 nubbins` i guess he does now
16:17 mircea_popescu PeterL ident with gribble and voice yerself.
16:17 nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot PeterL
16:17 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PeterL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PeterL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PeterL | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
16:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075288 = 5.0443 BTC [+]
16:22 thestringpuller another ghost graces us with her presence :P
16:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23584 @ 0.00075288 = 17.7559 BTC [+] {2}
16:27 xanthyos http://theantimedia.org/max-keiser-to-join-russell-brand-on-the-trews-for-one-week/
16:27 assbot Max Keiser to Join Russell Brand on The Trews for One Week | The Anti-Media
16:28 xanthyos ^ two men both of whom i have trusted and have let me down. "but i love him and maybe this time he won't beat me."
16:29 * xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam
16:29 Duffer1 how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P
16:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00075286 = 21.6824 BTC [-]
16:33 xanthyos i don't even track the prices of any alts
16:34 xanthyos russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet
16:35 mircea_popescu * xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam << should prolly blog about it
16:35 mircea_popescu few do.
16:35 xanthyos i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48
16:38 * asciilifeform remembers
16:39 * asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm'
16:39 mircea_popescu lol
16:40 punkman how many times did Kodak go bankrupt?
16:40 mircea_popescu ahhh it's so great to see blogger.com die
16:40 xanthyos i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose
16:41 Dimsler the two biggest idiots
16:42 xanthyos when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs
16:43 Dimsler pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks
16:43 Dimsler that are easy to convince into a wearing a tin foil hat
16:43 xanthyos his gravelly voice puts me to sleep
16:44 thestringpuller lets all buy caves property
16:44 mircea_popescu shit guise, drop everything.
16:44 mircea_popescu the future of payments is here.
16:45 mircea_popescu http://billdesk.com/
16:45 Dimsler lol
16:45 thestringpuller ah the 90's
16:46 Dimsler lol are you still here
16:51 mircea_popescu http://wmtransfer.com/ check that out.
16:51 assbot WebMoney — Universal Payment System
16:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00075301 = 24.774 BTC [+] {4}
16:54 punkman mircea_popescu: probably older than paypal
16:55 mircea_popescu yup
16:56 The20YearIRCloud I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it
16:57 nubbins` i know a hippie that put every cent he had into silver in 2008
16:58 The20YearIRCloud at what price?
16:58 nubbins` around 10-12 iirc
16:59 The20YearIRCloud He sell when it was $20-$48?
17:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2}
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2}
17:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2}
17:15 mircea_popescu http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/early-sign-pancreatic-cancer-0928
17:15 assbot Biologists find an early sign of cancer | MIT News Office
17:20 BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye#Death_of_Officer_Jones
17:20 assbot Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:21 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7
17:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-]
17:30 BingoBoingo http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/104678/
17:30 assbot Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon
17:34 assbot jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
17:36 Azelphur BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0
17:36 assbot How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube
17:36 BingoBoingo !up jborkl_
17:36 jborkl_ wtf is up with assbot, shithead
17:37 jborkl_ thank you for the up BingoBoingo
17:41 assbot jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
17:41 jborkl_ is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of?
17:42 BingoBoingo Azelphur: Nice
17:46 jurov ;;gettrust assbot jborkl_
17:46 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012
17:48 jurov assbot doesn't know you
17:56 chetty http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/argentina-debt-contempt-idUSL2N0RU1XB20140929
17:56 assbot US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case| Reuters
18:08 mircea_popescu hahaha
18:08 mircea_popescu how does that work.
18:10 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7
18:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display)
18:11 * asciilifeform not mac expert
18:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.
18:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6.
18:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it
18:15 BingoBoingo Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware...
18:15 asciilifeform afaik - 8 did
18:16 BingoBoingo 8 does, but requires... greasing
18:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ?
18:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture
18:16 BingoBoingo No, but I've looked at some
18:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ?
18:26 cazalla mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?
18:27 cazalla cyber lashing for being lazy previous week?
18:29 asciilifeform http://wnep.com/2014/09/29/search-for-eric-frein-shifts << lol, own goals: 1
18:29 assbot Search For Eric Frein Shifts | WNEP.com
18:29 xanthyos heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more
18:31 cazalla asciilifeform, reads like First Blood
18:31 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken
18:31 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up.
18:32 asciilifeform cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'.
18:32 asciilifeform cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city.
18:32 asciilifeform but, as in 'wasp', one suffices.
18:34 asciilifeform or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms.
18:34 asciilifeform !s clever poor
18:34 assbot 2 results for 'clever poor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+poor
18:44 mats_cd03 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_
18:45 mats_cd03 oh wait, he quit.
18:46 mircea_popescu this minimum effort bs, meh.
18:47 mircea_popescu cazalla apparently i can't zero.
18:47 mircea_popescu fixing sorry.
18:49 mircea_popescu los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.
18:49 cazalla midnightmagic, np ty
18:49 mircea_popescu but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.
18:50 mircea_popescu TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp.
18:51 mircea_popescu getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy
18:57 Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810.
19:00 peterl_ why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo
19:01 BingoBoingo ;;google Ienovo
19:01 gribble ‪#‎ienovo‬ - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ienovo>; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: <http://www.mudah.my/Ienovo+A680-28977948.htm>; Ienovo - Lenovo: <http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/EC-DoC_Lenovo_G480.pdf>
19:01 BingoBoingo ;;google 1enovo
19:01 gribble .minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmHQ0JGlWM>; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: <http://www.partnerinfo.lenovo.com/partners/weref/resources/downloads/brand/think-range/Poster_Channel_Think_Range_HighRes_UK.pdf>; details - Lenovo: (1 more message)
19:04 dub yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo
19:12 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/drug-case-that-won-darren-wilson-an-award-at-risk/article_8d962d61-543f-5305-94dc-d36700fda9ef.html << Dominoes
19:12 assbot Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News
19:20 thickasthieves cheap coins will be over soon methinks
19:20 thickasthieves maybe last hoorah tonight
19:20 RagnarDanneskjol why?
19:20 dub solid TA there
19:21 thickasthieves well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately
19:21 TheNewDeal Please explain
19:22 thickasthieves but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves
19:22 thickasthieves doesnt mean it's gonna happen
19:22 dub whats your traderview again
19:22 * dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history
19:22 thickasthieves https://www.tradingview.com/v/mwf4pGBm/
19:22 assbot BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView
19:23 BingoBoingo http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT blog
19:23 assbot The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.
19:23 cazalla cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price
19:23 thickasthieves my outlook hasnt really changed for a while
19:23 dub 3rd world problems
19:23 thickasthieves just took longer than i initially figured
19:24 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html
19:24 assbot White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room.
19:24 mircea_popescu http://pluss.vg.no/2014/09/27/1774/1774_23304090#xtor=CS1-1-23304090%5BHitlers+unge+d%C3%B8dsgud%5D
19:24 assbot Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+
19:25 mircea_popescu heh
19:25 dub is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh
19:25 mircea_popescu dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog
19:28 TheNewDeal ;;Bc,stats
19:28 gribble Current Blocks: 323110 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175
19:30 xanthyos what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport
19:30 mircea_popescu well that takes time
19:30 peterl_ white house weed?
19:30 xanthyos mushrooms pop up overnite
19:31 thickasthieves i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation
19:31 dub parts of china are like that apparently
19:31 thickasthieves just make the thing a weed
19:31 dub grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is
19:32 peterl_ are seeds expensive?
19:32 thickasthieves dunno
19:32 xanthyos only if feminized
19:32 mircea_popescu dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution
19:32 thickasthieves perfect
19:32 peterl_ the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product?
19:32 dub eys
19:32 dub yes
19:33 xanthyos it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick
19:33 thickasthieves well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that
19:33 peterl_ quantity makes up for low quality?
19:33 thickasthieves cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere
19:34 thickasthieves same for bitcoin really
19:34 dub isnt it already heading that way?
19:34 dub weed not btc
19:34 thickasthieves well its changing quickly
19:34 xanthyos dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain
19:34 thickasthieves i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way
19:34 thickasthieves i doubt she'd disagree today
19:35 dub yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true
19:35 peterl_ but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list?
19:35 mircea_popescu !up AMDCeleron
19:35 AMDCeleron whats up everyone
19:35 AMDCeleron i love the name assbot
19:36 mircea_popescu dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough
19:36 AMDCeleron who made assbot?
19:36 mircea_popescu AMDCeleron who're you ?
19:36 AMDCeleron a celeron processor made by amd
19:36 peterl_ are you a bot?
19:36 AMDCeleron no
19:36 AMDCeleron i am a loser
19:37 AMDCeleron what are you
19:37 AMDCeleron what are you?
19:37 peterl_ I'm a chemist
19:37 mircea_popescu mkay this is not going so well.
19:37 AMDCeleron ?
19:37 AMDCeleron intel inside celeron n2830
19:37 mircea_popescu !down AMDCeleron
19:37 mircea_popescu gimme my voice back.
19:37 peterl_ lol
19:38 xanthyos ;;gettrust AMDCeleron
19:38 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=AMDCeleron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AMDCeleron | Rated since: never
19:38 peterl_ that was quick, usually you let them play longer
19:39 mircea_popescu i guess im growing old.
19:40 BingoBoingo !up meowmix
19:40 mircea_popescu fucking noobs, check this guy out.
19:40 meowmix hey everyone
19:40 meowmix <3
19:40 mircea_popescu meowmix at least get a cloak, derp.
19:40 meowmix whats a cloak?
19:40 mircea_popescu * AMDCeleron (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #bitcoin-assets
19:40 mircea_popescu * meowmix (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets
19:40 meowmix whatever
19:40 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VYZ4EP.txt )
19:40 BingoBoingo !b 5
19:40 meowmix who likes hurricane?
19:41 assbot Last 5000 lines bashed and pending review. ( error )
19:41 meowmix !b 5000
19:41 jurov thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150
19:41 assbot Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DAV6Y0.txt )
19:41 meowmix !b 50
19:41 BingoBoingo wait for it...
19:41 jurov and then rbounce
19:41 BingoBoingo !down meowmix
19:43 kakobrekla yeah buttcoins are getting expensive
19:46 mircea_popescu jesus fuck omfg
19:46 mircea_popescu dragonfly flew right throug window into my head
19:46 mircea_popescu i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/
19:46 mircea_popescu shot*
19:47 BingoBoingo Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering?
19:47 Peter_Lambert one of those micro drones?
19:48 mircea_popescu its an actual dragonfly.
19:48 mircea_popescu that was trippy.
19:50 BingoBoingo Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night
19:50 RagnarDanneskjol http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-surprisingly-brutal-facts-about-dragonflies/
19:50 assbot 10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse
19:50 mircea_popescu lmao
19:50 BingoBoingo We have an insect gap.
19:53 mircea_popescu "hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?"
19:56 thickasthieves <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible
19:57 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
19:57 assbot The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:58 RagnarDanneskjol Oh
19:59 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDPgd1V5Y << kickass
19:59 assbot Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube
19:59 mircea_popescu pretty cool article
20:02 Namworld Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.
20:05 mircea_popescu o ya.
20:05 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckvBLS58sk << fucking ballet check that out
20:05 assbot Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube
20:06 Namworld Eheh
20:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-]
20:22 BingoBoingo CuNTs https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j7GNikx7GnU/VClcxRgYiiI/AAAAAAAAEho/Zk25G01pzaU/s1600/cunt.jpg
~ 21 minutes ~
20:43 BingoBoingo Vexual: You're up early today
20:44 Vexual yes yes
20:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-]
20:56 dub mircea_popescu: related http://tabletopwhale.com/
20:56 assbot Tabletop Whale
21:05 cazalla damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc
21:06 kakobrekla hows that?
21:06 cazalla http://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-adopter-calls-multi-sig-solutions-750-btc-theft/
21:06 assbot Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft
21:08 cazalla every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed
21:08 dub yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses
21:09 kakobrekla former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally.
21:09 kakobrekla cmon.
21:10 JuliaTourianski this happened in washington at the meetup...
21:10 JuliaTourianski conference*
21:10 JuliaTourianski circle jerk*
21:11 dub wait his handle is Treasure?
21:11 dub oh
21:13 cazalla Treasureless now
21:17 ben_vulpes good afternoooooon
21:19 Vexual i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-]
21:25 ben_vulpes <fluffypony> please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that?
21:26 Vexual first time bali?
21:26 ben_vulpes wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual
21:27 ben_vulpes is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?
21:27 ben_vulpes solar
21:27 Vexual oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune
21:27 ben_vulpes dammit
21:28 Vexual and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune
21:30 Vexual "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question
21:30 nubbins` "Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. "
21:31 nubbins` thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day
21:33 nubbins` well, similar, anyway
21:33 nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826634
21:33 assbot Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins
21:34 nubbins` s/sell/be relieved of
21:39 dub Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice
21:43 mircea_popescu dub not bad
21:43 mircea_popescu ;;seen leotreasure
21:43 gribble leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <leotreasure> they're in the final process
21:45 mircea_popescu Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are “the only viable solution for securing bitcoins”. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.
21:46 mircea_popescu "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance – of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud
21:46 mircea_popescu such nonsense.
21:46 BingoBoingo Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html
21:48 Vexual balinese dice?
21:49 mircea_popescu cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue.
21:50 mircea_popescu instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that.
21:50 Vexual aren't we here
21:50 Vexual hmm
21:50 mircea_popescu win-win.
21:50 cazalla mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it
21:51 mircea_popescu only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"
21:51 mircea_popescu exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk
21:51 mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter.
21:51 assbot Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin
21:52 mircea_popescu it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.
21:52 cazalla is that an endoresment to start one?
21:52 mircea_popescu it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,
21:52 mircea_popescu but meanwhile...
21:52 mircea_popescu cazalla definitely.
21:53 mircea_popescu im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it.
21:53 mircea_popescu it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business.
21:53 kakobrekla mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader
21:54 mircea_popescu kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.
21:54 Vexual im thinkin paywall
21:55 kakobrekla i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place
21:55 kakobrekla for us - redundant.
21:55 mircea_popescu hm.
21:56 mircea_popescu problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies.
21:56 mircea_popescu "99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home"
21:56 mircea_popescu "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!"
21:57 * BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.
21:57 mircea_popescu well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you.
21:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive.
21:57 mircea_popescu what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years.
21:57 mircea_popescu an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.
21:58 Vexual i know little enough to edit
21:59 dub what we really need is btc onion
21:59 kakobrekla if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit.
21:59 cazalla i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack
21:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is true.
22:00 mircea_popescu dub nah, sa got that covered.
22:00 mircea_popescu cazalla ideally a team.
22:01 kakobrekla and lots of css
22:01 TheNewDeal where is the btc onion? I would like a link
22:01 mircea_popescu no css.
22:01 Vexual rss?
22:01 dub bootstrap?
22:01 kakobrekla html3 and css5
22:01 mircea_popescu and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,
22:02 mircea_popescu the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do
22:02 mircea_popescu with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.
22:03 cazalla coinfire?
22:03 mircea_popescu right
22:03 cazalla it became even stupider http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/26/lets-get-meta-site-ownership-via-token/
22:03 assbot Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire
22:04 mircea_popescu it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"
22:04 mircea_popescu his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.
22:04 mircea_popescu which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask.
22:05 Vexual ive got a good title
22:05 mircea_popescu and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable.
22:05 mircea_popescu but tim gotta tim all over the tim.
22:07 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: http://www.coinion.com/
22:07 assbot The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source
22:08 kakobrekla you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for
22:09 mircea_popescu you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.
22:10 cazalla that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction
22:10 Vexual that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping
22:11 BingoBoingo I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories http://feeds.feedburner.com/CoinDesk
22:11 assbot CoinDesk
22:11 mircea_popescu cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing.
22:11 mircea_popescu bitching*
22:11 mircea_popescu and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone.
22:11 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.
22:12 kakobrekla go ahead and try then
22:12 mircea_popescu cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.
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22:12 mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ?
22:13 cazalla i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that
22:14 Duffer1 what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass?
22:14 BingoBoingo cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.
22:15 mircea_popescu Duffer1 it's mostly a format war.
22:15 mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine.
22:16 BingoBoingo It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire.
22:17 BingoBoingo Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail
22:17 decimation so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion
22:17 assbot " + soundfiledesc + "
22:17 BingoBoingo Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html
22:17 assbot LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later
22:18 mircea_popescu decimation something like that.
22:19 thestringpuller what is coinfire?
22:19 Vexual i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting
22:19 decimation I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total
22:19 decimation but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all
22:19 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp
22:19 decimation it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more
22:21 mircea_popescu decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.
22:21 mircea_popescu by how much is an academic point.
22:21 decimation yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong
22:21 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850633 << sounds like fun
22:21 assbot Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.
22:21 mircea_popescu and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.
22:22 decimation its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple
22:22 mircea_popescu can't renege.
22:22 mircea_popescu and can't go broke.
22:22 mircea_popescu it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play.
22:22 mircea_popescu it'll try both, fail both, and that's that.
22:24 Vexual funnily space missions aren't insured generally
22:25 Dimsler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAYcqz54cw
22:25 assbot Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube
22:26 Dimsler such a gem of video
22:27 TheNewDeal truthfully?
22:27 Dimsler yes
22:27 Dimsler disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers
22:29 TheNewDeal for example
22:29 Dimsler those are provided for you in the actual discussion
22:29 Dimsler if you bother to listen to it
22:30 decimation speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/parliament-bullied-to-pass-national-security-laws-says-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-20140924-10lir9.html
22:31 decimation "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"
22:31 Dimsler lol australia
22:32 Vexual yep united states sandbox
22:32 cazalla no more waltzing matilda for me
22:34 decimation I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство
22:34 Vexual trasnlation?
22:34 Dimsler its a form of crime
22:34 Dimsler to cause harm
22:35 Dimsler commie lingo
22:35 Vexual more info?
22:35 Vexual |more
22:35 decimation "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans
22:35 Dimsler the term means to sabotage a political insititue
22:35 cazalla interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls
22:35 mircea_popescu the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.
22:35 Vexual hmm
22:36 Vexual ahh
22:36 Dimsler yes
22:36 mircea_popescu in the original case, the "workers" and their "party"
22:36 decimation in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were
22:39 decimation mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost
22:39 TheNewDeal dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you?
22:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00075059 = 4.192 BTC [-] {2}
22:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00074936 = 5.2568 BTC [-]
22:53 mircea_popescu decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.
22:53 decimation you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies
22:54 mircea_popescu lessee
22:55 mircea_popescu !s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag
22:55 assbot 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+volunteer+gulag
22:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747378
22:56 assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.
22:56 mircea_popescu o there we go. ty asciilifeform
22:57 thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though
22:57 mircea_popescu amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up
22:57 mircea_popescu thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah
22:59 thickasthieves just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)
22:59 decimation as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong
23:00 asciilifeform incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag
23:00 Vexual sounds like hungarian stew to my ear
23:01 asciilifeform гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.'
23:01 asciilifeform so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world
23:01 thickasthieves gulash + lag
23:01 thickasthieves goulash*
23:02 thickasthieves they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school
23:03 TheNewDeal dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content
23:04 cazalla most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com
23:05 thickasthieves call it The Biz
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23:05 Vexual period0
23:05 cazalla blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews
23:06 thickasthieves shaveandahaircut.bit
23:06 punkman cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different
23:07 hanbot heathen!
23:07 decimation someone should apply for the .coin tld
23:07 cazalla punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits
23:07 thickasthieves i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs
23:08 thickasthieves news.club is only $20
23:08 thickasthieves there's a news.wtf
23:08 thickasthieves heh
23:09 Vexual club is goode
23:09 thickasthieves so many domains now
23:09 punkman too many
23:09 kakobrekla it turns out you can just print them
23:09 kakobrekla like money!
23:09 thickasthieves but .com is so much more valuable
23:09 thickasthieves !
23:09 punkman I grabbed a .company, to be revealed
23:10 cazalla bit.press
23:10 thickasthieves disassociated.press
23:10 punkman I vote for chumpatron.whatever
23:10 Vexual meh
23:10 TheNewDeal derponomics
23:10 cazalla chumpatron.com avail heh
23:11 thickasthieves disassociated.press must exist already
23:11 Vexual if it doesnt, it shoudn't
23:11 thickasthieves lol
23:11 thickasthieves call it rooters then
23:12 punkman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociated_press
23:12 assbot Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
23:13 thickasthieves different word tho
23:13 punkman I like that one better
23:14 thickasthieves i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads
23:14 thickasthieves what did i buy to deserve this
23:14 Vexual rooters lol
23:15 thickasthieves could rip off the Hooters logo
23:15 thickasthieves hire saffron to do the summary thing
23:15 kakobrekla that woman is annoying to watch.
23:15 Vexual hes all business this cunt
23:16 thickasthieves well thats why she gets naked
23:16 punkman heh
23:16 kakobrekla only makes it worse
23:17 thickasthieves fine dont hire her!
23:17 kakobrekla lol i dun care
23:17 thickasthieves :)
23:17 punkman so much derp http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/04/mens-fashion-frank-and-oak-15-million/
23:17 assbot Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes
23:18 punkman "We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first,"
23:18 thickasthieves let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m!
23:19 Vexual thats like 7/10ths of asicminer
23:19 dub derpington post?
23:19 TheNewDeal nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses
23:20 punkman http://recode.net/2014/07/31/nordstrom-will-pay-350-million-for-trunk-club/
23:20 assbot Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code
23:20 thickasthieves we're trailblazers in trailblazing
23:20 punkman mobile first trailblazing
23:21 thickasthieves i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things
23:21 Vexual nice first exit; i like the style
23:35 mircea_popescu thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.
23:36 mircea_popescu this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too
23:37 mircea_popescu <thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.
23:38 asciilifeform leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ?
23:38 mircea_popescu <punkman> I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ?
23:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.
23:38 mircea_popescu this is a problem/
23:48 punkman mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned
23:58 JuliaTourianski mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.
23:59 punkman JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?
23:59 punkman $10-$20?
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