00:00 |
decimation |
no but it would be an interesting exercise in archaeology |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: others have, if i recall, carried out this exercise. it isn't considerably more interesting than running the emulator. |
00:01 |
decimation |
yeah good point. I'm gonna work on getting my 'opengenera' vm working again |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: opengenera vm << goes great with a set of these: http://imgur.com/nR6mErg |
00:09 |
assbot |
talmud - Imgur |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
(ignore blue backbreaker, that's 'xerox') |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, technically these are all hypertext-accessible (yes, possibly first instance of hypertext used industrially) in og. but paper is nice. |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
i should like to find a buyer for these. before it's too late (and then i ask them to be brought to my peine forte et dure.) |
00:12 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: lol. Yeah when I saw demos of genera, I thought "wait, did they invent hypertext too"? |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
hard to say who invented. but who used to greatest effect, earliest - yes, them. |
00:12 |
decimation |
it seems like it is a hell of alot better than the shit berners-lee put out |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
00:39 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: to you have a sister named deedee? |
00:41 |
thestringpuller |
did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company that would be the end all to mining datacenters? |
00:43 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Diablo-D3 |
00:44 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Diablo-D3 |
00:44 |
Diablo-D3 |
thestringpuller: no |
00:44 |
Diablo-D3 |
I refunded investors and pulled out |
00:45 |
thestringpuller |
hehe that's what she said |
00:45 |
thestringpuller |
well i guess that's what he said? |
00:45 |
Diablo-D3 |
heh. |
00:45 |
Diablo-D3 |
but yeah, the whole DMC thing was hilarious |
00:45 |
Diablo-D3 |
people keep calling me scam over it |
00:45 |
Diablo-D3 |
yet it paid out more than was originally invested |
00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust Diablo-D3 |
00:46 |
gribble |
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00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
this is true? |
00:46 |
dub |
sure, just not to the people who bought at IPO |
00:47 |
Diablo-D3 |
dub: actually a lot of them stuck until the end and got their money back |
00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
lol @ Luke-Jr's rating |
00:47 |
Diablo-D3 |
the only people who "lost" were those who idiotically paniced |
00:47 |
ben_vulpes |
-1 "i dunno" |
00:47 |
Diablo-D3 |
ben_vulpes: yeah, luke-jr is a scam |
00:47 |
dub |
I doubt that but it should have been a whorthwhile lesson |
00:47 |
Diablo-D3 |
ben_vulpes: its why I dont care about wot, its not policed |
00:47 |
dub |
whorethwhile? |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
it's adequately policed |
00:48 |
dub |
anyway, you can't put a price on education, Diablo-D3 is no scammer |
00:48 |
Diablo-D3 |
dub: yes, whorethwhile |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
i know danielpbarron vaguely, i know Luke-Jr vaguely, i know how to weight their ratings |
00:48 |
ben_vulpes |
dag - you have a 5 from nanotube? |
00:49 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: no, you're a troll |
00:49 |
Diablo-D3 |
lol |
00:49 |
dub |
a surprising retort |
00:49 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: yes, Im a troll that wrote a very important piece of software that a lot of people donated a lot of money to help make happen |
00:49 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: now only if you could do that. |
00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux |
00:49 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: lol, so important that nobody uses it |
00:49 |
Diablo-D3 |
not anymore they dont |
00:49 |
Diablo-D3 |
mining at home is dead |
00:50 |
Diablo-D3 |
no profit in it, even if you own asics |
00:50 |
dub |
they all use the software you plagiarised now Luke-Jr |
00:50 |
Luke-Jr |
dub: you mean "maintain" |
00:50 |
Luke-Jr |
dub: I have always given full credit to all authors and contributors of BFGMiner |
00:51 |
thestringpuller |
nanotube needs to update his ratings |
00:51 |
Diablo-D3 |
lol "maintain" |
00:51 |
Diablo-D3 |
cgminer = C port of diablominer |
00:51 |
dub |
thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken |
00:51 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: you wish |
00:51 |
Luke-Jr |
dub: it's not broken, it works well |
00:51 |
thestringpuller |
nanotube is also a ghost |
00:51 |
Diablo-D3 |
bfgminer = cgminer fork that luke-jr did because ck wouldnt merge his shit patches |
00:51 |
Diablo-D3 |
ergo |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr |
00:51 |
gribble |
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00:51 |
Luke-Jr |
BFGMiner = cgminer-the-GPU-miner + FPGA and ASIC support |
00:51 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3 |
00:51 |
gribble |
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00:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: except ck added fpga and asic support himself |
00:52 |
Luke-Jr |
cgminer = BFGMiner fork because ck wanted free hardware for doing nothing |
00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
;;seen joecool |
00:52 |
gribble |
joecool was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <joecool> do you really have to ask |
00:52 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: liar |
00:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
free hardware fo rdoing nothing? nope |
00:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
he wanted the hardware on hand to actually test changes |
00:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
and guess what? he got the hardware in the end. |
00:52 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: you forget, I actually know ck, you dont |
00:53 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: guess what? he successfully trolled. doesn't make it any less of a troll. |
00:53 |
Diablo-D3 |
lol Luke-Jr is so goddamned butthurt |
00:53 |
Luke-Jr |
anyone who knows ck knows he's a pain |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
so what if troll? so what if pain? |
00:53 |
Luke-Jr |
ck has a very large reputation for being a difficult person to work with |
00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
surely the commit history shows ck's contribution or lack thereof. |
00:54 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: yep |
00:54 |
Diablo-D3 |
oh bullshit |
00:54 |
Diablo-D3 |
ck just doesnt take shit from people |
00:54 |
Diablo-D3 |
if he was hard to work with, I wouldnt have been friends with him for the last decade |
00:54 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: that's why he hasn't had kernel patches accepted since forever, eh |
00:55 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: he hasnt? |
00:55 |
Luke-Jr |
concepts, yes, but only after someone else has to go basically rewrite them |
00:55 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: nope, even I have more recent Linux commits |
00:55 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: -ck is out for 3.16 or whatever the newest kernel is |
00:55 |
Luke-Jr |
-ck is not Linux itself |
00:55 |
Luke-Jr |
it's a fork |
00:55 |
Luke-Jr |
like cgminer |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
its not a fork you idiot |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
its a patchset. |
00:56 |
Luke-Jr |
that's another word for fork |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
its bfs plus a few other patches |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: no, it requires the linux source |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
you have to apply the patch |
00:56 |
Luke-Jr |
irrelevant |
00:56 |
Luke-Jr |
that's just a technical way of distributing code |
00:56 |
Diablo-D3 |
can someone ban Luke-Jr? |
00:57 |
Diablo-D3 |
the signal to noise ratio in this channel went to shit when he came in |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
needs one more negrate |
00:57 |
Luke-Jr |
all a git repo is, is a patch set |
00:57 |
ben_vulpes |
its a fascinating slapfight i gotta say |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
ben_vulpes: not much of a slapfight when I have written code, and so has ck, and Luke-Jr hasnt actually done anything. |
00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
eh, link me |
00:58 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: you're simply a liar, nothing more |
00:58 |
Luke-Jr |
if anyone should be banned, it's you |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
Luke-Jr: I have seen your "code" |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
it is lol. |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
theres a reason why ck denied some of your patches |
00:58 |
Luke-Jr |
Diablo-D3: you are lol |
00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
until i see commits (ideally signed, but i don't think people were into that sort of thing back then) it's all hot air as far as i can tell |
00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
hola nanotube |
00:58 |
* |
nanotube haunts thestringpuller ooooOOOOO |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
ben_vulpes: diablominer is on github |
00:58 |
Diablo-D3 |
hey nanotube |
00:59 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually |
| |
↖ |
00:59 |
nanotube |
howdy folks :) |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
Luke-Jr: oh and do explain why |
00:59 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: plenty on https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer |
00:59 |
assbot |
luke-jr/bfgminer GitHub |
00:59 |
ben_vulpes |
Luke-Jr: lol i ain't digging through y'all's shitpile |
01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
link me to introducing commits tho and i'll start to care |
01:00 |
xanthyos |
someone i know on tinychat is trying to dump btc to me at spot. i hope i don't come out looking like a fool. that's more of a worry than the money loss at this point: appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores |
01:00 |
xanthyos |
i can't NOT buy though |
01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
yeah you can |
01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
just don't |
01:00 |
nanotube |
xanthyos: why not ask for a discount to spot |
01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
20% is what - 80 bucks per right now? |
01:01 |
xanthyos |
i'll definitely round it in my favor |
01:02 |
thestringpuller |
oh wow nanotube speaks! |
01:02 |
thestringpuller |
you still feel the same about MagicalTux? ;) |
01:04 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: I can't find it now, but the Linux kernel used to have a writeup why commits shouldn't be PGP signed |
01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
<thestringpuller> did Diablo-D3 ever get around to making that 1mn dollar company << 1 mn BITCOIN. get it straight., |
01:04 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: IIRC it was related to signing implying you have audited the complete state of the code, not just the diff |
01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
well that's a load of malarkey. |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
the other arguments i've heard is a) weakens "importance" of signatures and b) leaks keys |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
a) lol |
01:05 |
Luke-Jr |
probably also because git maintainers like to rebase commits regularly |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
b) don't sign too often. |
01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
well then the sig goes bad and tough luck. |
01:05 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: i don't know my history very well even though i lived it |
01:05 |
thestringpuller |
ewww rebase commits |
01:05 |
thestringpuller |
good way to lose your history |
01:05 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: also, the sig can't prove who wrote the code anyway |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
da |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
fuq |
01:06 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: it would be trivial for Con to take my commits and reauthor them with his own signature, for example |
01:06 |
Luke-Jr |
(although I doubt he'd go that far) |
01:06 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: nano just updated a few ratings |
01:06 |
Luke-Jr |
thestringpuller: yeah, I'm not a big fan of rebasing, but that's how the git culture works :/ |
01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> aaaaah dig nanotube's rating of magicaltux << i don't think he ever revisits them or anytrhing |
01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
wouldn't really pass an inspection tbh |
01:07 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: wow, your new rating for Mark is harsh! :o |
01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
<dub> thestringpuller: this is actually why the wot is broken << nah. if you know who people are you know what to discount. if you don't know, you can't use their ratings anyway. |
01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
nanotube ratings watch http://dpaste.com/05T9JSY |
01:07 |
assbot |
dpaste: 05T9JSY |
01:07 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: the news last I checked said the police don't buy the conspiracy theories |
01:08 |
ben_vulpes |
police? what is this. |
01:09 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: you know, the people investigating the MtGox incident |
01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
well this banstuff has been an amusing read. |
01:09 |
Luke-Jr |
who actually have access to information |
01:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20631 @ 0.00074823 = 15.4367 BTC [-] {3} |
01:09 |
Luke-Jr |
unlike me or most people |
01:09 |
ben_vulpes |
yes, the entirely honest and upright japanese police. |
01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
Luke-Jr you read some conspiracy theories about what the police is buying ? |
01:10 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: conspiracy theories being people saying Mark did it, with no evidence |
01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
<Luke-Jr> ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually << by idiots. |
01:10 |
Luke-Jr |
police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information |
01:10 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? |
01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
xanthyos> appearing like a fool in the short term to a bunch of druggies and cam whores << maybe you need a new reddit ? |
01:11 |
Luke-Jr |
lol |
01:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? |
01:11 |
ben_vulpes |
<Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: the Linux maintainers are idiots? << a large number of them. do we not hear of linus routinely reaming people for idiocy? |
01:11 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: wat? |
01:11 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: that's a point. XD |
01:11 |
mircea_popescu |
;;ticker |
01:11 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 379.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 379.99, 24 hour volume: 18630.84954422, 24 hour low: 368.9, 24 hour high: 401.41, 24 hour vwap: 382.91805711 |
01:12 |
ben_vulpes |
;;rate luke-jr -1 tard, fud: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849440 |
01:12 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-09-2014 04:59:01; Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: signing commits is considered bad practice, actually |
01:12 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user luke-jr has been recorded. |
01:12 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: Well, BFL has only very recently been shutdown and taken into recievership for merely doing what they've been doing for their entire run. |
01:12 |
ben_vulpes |
!down Luke-Jr |
01:12 |
nanotube |
Luke-Jr: not implying culpability, simply that i wouldn't trade with him given all the stuff hanging over his head |
01:12 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr> police don't seem to believe that, and they have actual access to information << How long did the Feds take on BFL? << the notion that "the police" has "the information" is such lmao. |
01:12 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: what I said is true, even if you disagree with it |
01:12 |
ben_vulpes |
well, you've got fifteen minutes, Luke-Jr. make the best of 'em. |
01:12 |
mircea_popescu |
they've got what they finally managed to read on trilema, basically. |
01:12 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: did the feds at some point say BFL was legit? |
01:13 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: ah, makes sense |
01:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr |
01:13 |
gribble |
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01:13 |
mircea_popescu |
;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3 |
01:13 |
gribble |
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01:13 |
ben_vulpes |
Luke-Jr: your assertion of such doth not proof make. |
01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: Never, one judge commented that there wasn't enough in front of him at the time to revoke Sonny's parole, far from an endorsement |
01:13 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: btw, any idea why b-otc.com is broken? |
01:13 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: my point exactly |
01:13 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: Japanese police have stated they don't think Mark is involved in the crime |
01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
he was still at the helm. |
01:14 |
mircea_popescu |
no they didn't lol. |
01:14 |
nanotube |
Luke-Jr: seems to work for me, just checked. |
01:14 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: yes, he screwed up big time |
01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
it happened on his watch. |
01:14 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: weird :/ |
01:14 |
mircea_popescu |
what the fuck dorkhead do you have to be to believe sssomething like that. "o the police said this guy isn't involved". how'd they know and why'd they say that. |
01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
!up Diablo-D3 |
01:15 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: they're investigating the theft |
01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
01:15 |
Luke-Jr |
and have access to information we don't |
01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
no, they don't. |
01:15 |
Luke-Jr |
nanotube: try over IPv6? |
01:15 |
BingoBoingo |
No reason police aren't for sale like anyone else. |
01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but that aside : that's the definition of "investigating" : they dion;t know who did what |
01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
and who's not involved. |
01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
just because the idiots you normally shill at can't read japanese doesn't mean you actually get to propose nonsense in here as fact. |
01:16 |
Luke-Jr |
I don't shill. |
01:17 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: too bad, I don't save every news article I read. |
01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
because "news articles" are a source now. |
01:17 |
ben_vulpes |
Luke-Jr: amusingly, you can't even find them when the time comes. |
01:18 |
ben_vulpes |
not that any of them are written by a key i know anyways. |
01:18 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: "news articles" was the topic |
01:18 |
Dimsler |
Luke-Jr, wtf are you talking about |
01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
but the very notion that "the police"'d have some sort of priviledged access to information... |
01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
holy shit, that takes the cake. |
01:18 |
Luke-Jr |
Dimsler: ? |
01:18 |
Dimsler |
i know |
01:18 |
nanotube |
mircea_popescu: they /should/ have the entire gox database, unlike the general public. |
01:18 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: they do |
01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
|
01:18 |
mircea_popescu |
nanotube you mean that thing that was stolen off their servers 5x ? |
01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, im sure they do o.o |
01:19 |
Dimsler |
mircea_popescu, maybe they have access to the "secret" server |
01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah, right. |
01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe they have access to their own behinds. |
01:19 |
Luke-Jr |
mircea_popescu: it's pretty obvious MagicalTux isn't allowed to publicly say a lot of stuff |
01:19 |
mircea_popescu |
seems unlikely, giving what we know of public servants, but why not hoep. |
01:19 |
Luke-Jr |
that stuff, the police have access to |
01:19 |
nanotube |
mircea_popescu: sure, except it wasn't the entire thing? it was a particular date range, plus as i recall not all transactions? |
01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah because co-conspirator testimony is like the be all end all of truthsources. |
01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
nanotube now how would one know this ? |
01:20 |
nanotube |
i distinctly recall it didn't have some of my earliest transactions :P |
01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
which one of the leaked versions of which particular breach ? |
01:21 |
nanotube |
also, were there usd input/outputs? or just btc? |
01:21 |
nanotube |
haha i don't even know :P |
01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
i rest. |
01:21 |
mircea_popescu |
let's talk of something else, this can't not end up retarded. |
01:21 |
nanotube |
hehe me too! sleep time :) |
01:21 |
Luke-Jr |
XD |
01:22 |
* |
Luke-Jr goes back to code |
01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
don't forget to sign it. |
01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, it occurs to me, the ba deeds registrar thing will be a not-so-bad way to distribute source. |
01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, |
01:22 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen molokodesk |
01:22 |
gribble |
molokodesk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 43 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <MolokoDesk> yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block. |
01:23 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
hes working on it hastily |
01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
aite |
01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
that's a poor way to work on things |
01:23 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
i kno |
01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
guy had a month, ended up cramming most of it after the 20th or something ? |
01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
let's see if this works yet |
01:23 |
mircea_popescu |
gotta work hygienically yo! |
01:23 |
ben_vulpes |
!down Luke-Jr |
01:24 |
mircea_popescu |
!down ben_vulpes |
01:24 |
mircea_popescu |
oddly, you're reg'd |
01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gettrust assbot ben_vulpes |
01:24 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 |
01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
odd how? |
01:24 |
mircea_popescu |
well if you're reg'd why doesn't the down take |
01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
kakobrekla ? |
01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
caching somewhere. |
01:25 |
|
Bet created: "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $80 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1052/ |
01:26 |
ben_vulpes |
(just a guess) |
01:27 |
|
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01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
for the record, signing not your own commits is anathema and will eventually be outed. |
01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
a signed tag is a different thing. |
01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes eh ? |
01:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
explain signed tag pls |
01:28 |
mircea_popescu |
why, if you've read it ? |
01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
RagnarDanneskjol: you're familiar with tagging in git? |
01:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
sure |
01:28 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
why bettr or different |
01:29 |
asciilifeform |
why commits shouldn't be PGP signed... leaks keys << sorta like the idea that one shouldn't blow nose - leaks brains. yes, given some misconfigurations of the body - this can actually happen. |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
a commit is "i did this code" |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
splendid analogy |
01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
a tag is "this release bears my stamp" |
01:29 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes can i commit code my slavegirl wrote on her offline abacus ? |
01:29 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
OH yea |
01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
tux might nota been a party to the crime, but it happened under his watch. |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
you can do anything you want |
01:30 |
ben_vulpes |
how your wot handles it is unresolved |
01:30 |
mircea_popescu |
so then if i sign a commit you made, what's the problem ? |
01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
why not encrypt messages to bitcoin private keys? it works, what's the problem? |
01:31 |
mircea_popescu |
can you stick to arguing your idea instead of arguing around ? |
01:32 |
ben_vulpes |
i'll try. |
01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
the commit is "here is a diff of thing before i started work today, and thing after i finished this feature." it may include tests, changes to other miscellaneous stuff. it should exist (in my opinion, i may be wrong and might need to be argued out of this) as a statement that "i did this work". this clearly gets hazy when you've got multiple eyes on a screen. |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
and multiple people providing input into what precisely should be done. however, the buck must stop with the signer of the commit. |
01:34 |
thestringpuller |
diff of commit hash in blockchain? |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
also i don't really know that git affords for you signing my hash and including it in the repository, from a technical perspective. |
01:34 |
ben_vulpes |
er, commit. |
01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes but see, if what you mean to say is "signing actual commits may be taking on more responsibility than you realise", why say "anathema" ? |
01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
as far as i can see, all signatories of a thing are joint and several responsible for it. |
01:35 |
ben_vulpes |
that's why the signatory of the commit can only be held responsible for changes introduced in that commit. |
01:35 |
mircea_popescu |
if that's what you're trying to do, it's not anathema, it's the right thing. if it's not what you're trying to do it's still not anathema, just, you're misguidedly using the tools |
01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
sure, i made a change to openssl, and i stand behind it. that should not be taken to be an endorsement of the project. |
01:36 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes basically the practica application would be, once X bug is found, grep for the code and whenever you find it in something someone signed, tear them a new one. |
01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
what would it mean for it to be in something that someone signed? |
01:36 |
ben_vulpes |
that's the importance of signing the diff. |
01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
well up to the signer what he signs. |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
that's why the commit is the right thing for a contributor to sign. |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
"i changed these things, and i take responsibility for the content of the change." |
01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
now if you strip whitespace on a line that later turns out to have a mission-critical hole... |
01:37 |
mircea_popescu |
sure, if that's what he means that's what he should do. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
mno. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
fuck you, don't dick around with lines you don't udnerstand. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
"all i did was the space guise" psshhhh |
01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
d'accord. |
01:38 |
mircea_popescu |
the entire point of the exercise is to make people fucking affraid to write code. |
01:38 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
01:38 |
ben_vulpes |
now in the tag, you include a message: "this signed tag is my stamp upon the whole and entirety of the codebase". |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
that' the only way they'll stop long enough to read something. |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes that's nonsense. what's this, a badly specified bitbet bet ? |
01:39 |
ben_vulpes |
or, "this signed tag is my stamp on lines xx-yy in file thus.hs" |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
no dude, you include what you sign between --begin and end |
01:39 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm demonstrating the range of what's possible, not what i'd do. |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
no signature-by-reference. now THAT' |
01:39 |
mircea_popescu |
s anathema. |
01:40 |
ben_vulpes |
and you probably want to hash the lines and sign the hash to boot. |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#794835 << example of responsibility |
01:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 13-08-2014 20:08:25; asciilifeform: one calls out recipe steps; one actually tightens the bolt, whatever; one - verifies. then they all sign. |
01:40 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: right. |
01:40 |
ben_vulpes |
what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. |
01:41 |
ben_vulpes |
if i find commits like that without a "copied without permission from XXX" -- that's a demerit. |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
(example not necessarily applicable to given domain, but specifically of folks taking actual responsibility for their actions) |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
as for this entire thread - being pessimist, imho any software project which appears to call for this level of organizational complexity - is a lost cause. |
01:42 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: you could only make people terrified in this system if everyone was required to sign commits no? |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
and yes, that means, e.g., linux kernel. |
01:44 |
* |
asciilifeform back to sleep |
01:44 |
ben_vulpes |
in 20 years, a bitcoin implementation may be software people's "masterpiece" work - eg the piece of work that grants one the title of "master" in the field. |
01:45 |
ben_vulpes |
if i see this day i will be a happy man. |
01:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5390 @ 0.00075234 = 4.0551 BTC [+] |
01:54 |
thestringpuller |
isn't linux kind of that to operating systems? |
01:54 |
thestringpuller |
^ ben_vulpes |
01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> what is anathema in the previous context mircea_popescu is taking someone else's commits, signing them and claiming them as your own. << why ? |
01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
there's no permission to be had or sought. this is free software. |
01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
thestringpuller no. girls aren't required to fuck anyone and yet they're well terrified of not doing a good job in bed. |
01:58 |
Dimsler |
what about rape |
02:03 |
mircea_popescu |
what abou it ? |
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02:21 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: what if someone doesn't sign "heartbleed introduction" then no one is accountable and system is moot |
02:21 |
mircea_popescu |
don't use it if you don't like how it's signed. |
02:21 |
thestringpuller |
but this means software that is signed everywhere has more accountability than software that doesn't |
02:25 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isitdown bitbet.us |
02:29 |
gribble |
bitbet.us is up |
02:29 |
mircea_popescu |
da fuck. |
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02:52 |
thestringpuller |
up for me? |
03:01 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00074955 = 12.6674 BTC [-] |
03:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00074928 = 10.9395 BTC [-] |
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03:28 |
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Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 40(Y):60(N) by weight. Total bet: 42.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 28,540. |
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03:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
are there any time-bending' methods for proving a doc [notarized electronically*] is not added[forged] to db AFTER some point in time? like a 'carbondated' irrefutable binary marker [or tensor more like]. for instance, unique single use keypair for each new calendar day thats signed by [or a hash of] some other newly generated 'time-dependent' keypair + 'something else'[ie classified new |
03:54 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
sapr ad but more easily recoverable]. we'll presume the date record of keys published is unreliable/unavail/innacurate [including classifieds which could fall into all 3 categories] and placing aside the single use pair being vulnerable to forger obtaining historical key pairs in advance. |
03:54 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00074918 = 12.4738 BTC [-] |
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04:10 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol well how are you going to put the hash in a block retroactively ? |
04:11 |
mircea_popescu |
but anyway, this discussion can continue tomorrow, i'm off. |
04:11 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
assuming it is compromised (not thinking about btc here at all) |
04:11 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
ok |
04:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60800 @ 0.00074779 = 45.4656 BTC [-] {4} |
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04:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00074698 = 13.1528 BTC [-] {2} |
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05:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
re carbondating notary - some concepts here for consideration [PMCP, reducing model checking many to few, etc] http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~kahlon/papers/many-to-few.pdf |
05:14 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_notation |
05:14 |
assbot |
Einstein notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
05:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00074946 = 1.1991 BTC [+] {2} |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
bonjour davout |
05:28 |
fluffypony |
Ça va? |
05:28 |
davout |
bien le bonjour |
05:28 |
davout |
oui et toi-même ? |
05:29 |
fluffypony |
ça va comme ci, comme ça :) |
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06:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00074757 = 12.4844 BTC [-] |
06:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25267 @ 0.00075274 = 19.0195 BTC [+] {2} |
06:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00075076 = 7.3574 BTC [-] |
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07:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16439 @ 0.00075103 = 12.3462 BTC [+] {2} |
08:08 |
kakobrekla |
ben_vulpes nah, i just fucked around with the db while moving ass. |
08:12 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28807 @ 0.0007505 = 21.6197 BTC [-] {2} |
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09:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00075283 = 18.4443 BTC [+] |
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10:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00075043 = 12.7948 BTC [-] |
10:14 |
mats_cd03 |
03:06:03 decimation:before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked <<there's a 2013 model? whats the difference with 2012? |
10:27 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849231 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#848053 |
10:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-09-2014 03:06:03; decimation: before this one I actually had a nexus 4 (2013 model) for a month, dropped it from 18 inches and it cracked |
10:27 |
assbot |
Logged on 27-09-2014 19:41:17; kakobrekla: (first day i had it, it flew about 3m vertically on a concrete floor) |
10:39 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
10:39 |
gribble |
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10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
!s thickasthieves 360s |
10:40 |
assbot |
0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
!s thickasthieves 360s |
10:40 |
assbot |
0 results for 'thickasthieves 360s' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360s |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
!s thickasthieves 360 |
10:40 |
assbot |
2 results for 'thickasthieves 360' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=thickasthieves+360 |
10:40 |
ThickAsThieves |
derp |
10:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00075043 = 18.9108 BTC [-] |
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11:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Specifically, the testimony of several former employees and Vice President of Product Development Josh Zerlan shows that instead of fulfilling orders immediately, Defendants used their customers’ machines to mine Bitcoins for themselves before shipping the now-used machines to their customers." |
11:15 |
ThickAsThieves |
"The machines being tested were collectively hashing at a rate of 12 terrahashes per second (TH/s). At that time, this comprised approximately 3 percent of the hash rate of the entire bitcoin network." |
11:16 |
ThickAsThieves |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-butterfly-labs-mined-bitcoins-on-customers-boxes-before-shipping/ |
11:16 |
assbot |
Feds: Butterfly Labs mined bitcoins on customers boxes before shipping | Ars Technica |
11:17 |
los_pantalones |
then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker |
11:21 |
ThickAsThieves |
Circle is open for business, that should halve Coinbase's lifespan |
11:24 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00074726 = 21.4837 BTC [-] {3} |
11:33 |
ben_vulpes |
their hamburger menu illustration is hilarious |
11:33 |
ben_vulpes |
er |
11:33 |
ben_vulpes |
animation |
11:37 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Create a password" "minimum 6 characters" |
11:38 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol Intuit just responded to a 2yr-old service request from a developer that used to work for me |
11:39 |
ThickAsThieves |
"Hi, I'm interested in developing integration apps with Quickbooks online. May I sign up for a one year developer account?" too late Intuit |
11:40 |
ben_vulpes |
why does everything suck, ThickAsThieves |
11:40 |
ben_vulpes |
one guy says to hire a whole payroll company |
11:40 |
ben_vulpes |
another guy says to just use quickbooks payroll |
11:40 |
ben_vulpes |
i don't know wtf to do |
11:40 |
ben_vulpes |
BUSINESS IS LIFE UNDER UNCERTAINTY |
11:42 |
TomServo |
Am I seeing this right? Lenovo is paying less for IBMs server division than M$ paid for Mojang? |
11:43 |
TomServo |
Is this bizarro world? |
11:43 |
mats_cd03 |
minecraft is a big deal and i think that's often understated in this channel |
11:46 |
* |
chetty hasn't noticed anyone even talking about minecraft here .. |
11:47 |
mats_cd03 |
!s mojang |
11:47 |
assbot |
4 results for 'mojang' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mojang |
11:47 |
chetty |
ben_vulpes, if you have employees where you have to do withholding and stuff, hire an outfit, cheaper in the long run |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
<+ben_vulpes> one guy says to hire a whole payroll company /// in my experience doing your own payroll via QBO is better than paying ADP or such, but only if your staff knows some amount of accounting and tax filing |
11:49 |
ThickAsThieves |
it does make it easy, but at the risk of not knowing wtf to do if you have a problem and no accounting support |
11:50 |
chetty |
all the assorted tax filings and stuff are real time eaters |
11:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
and QBO doesnt make it clear when/what you need to mail yourself, vs submit online |
11:51 |
ThickAsThieves |
i learned by doing and it took a couple years to clean up the mess |
11:51 |
ben_vulpes |
> couple years |
11:51 |
ben_vulpes |
nope |
11:51 |
ben_vulpes |
thanks chetty, ThickAsThieves |
11:51 |
chetty |
been a few years since I did that sort of stuff but back then giving up and hiring a company was best move I made |
11:52 |
ThickAsThieves |
being a loner is where it's at |
11:53 |
asciilifeform |
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/09/fans-raise-cash-to-help-phone-phreaker-john-draper-aka-capn-crunch << had no idea he was alive |
11:53 |
assbot |
Fans raise cash to help phone phreaker John Draper, aka Capn Crunch | Ars Technica |
11:54 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/my-coworkers-made-me-use-mac-os-9-for-their-and-your-amusement |
11:54 |
assbot |
My coworkers made me use Mac OS 9 for their (and your) amusement | Ars Technica |
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12:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48300 @ 0.00074597 = 36.0304 BTC [-] {4} |
12:34 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00074764 = 6.6914 BTC [+] |
12:38 |
ben_vulpes |
http://online.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-protests-swell-as-riot-police-withdraw-1411979074?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories << contrast w/ "occupy" |
12:38 |
assbot |
Hong Kong Protests Swell as Riot Police Withdraw - WSJ |
12:42 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rated PeterL |
12:42 |
gribble |
You have not yet rated user PeterL |
12:44 |
mircea_popescu |
;;rate PeterL 1 Guy fucked up his glbse assets 3 years ago. This is a fact. That fact may be explained as a smart guy failing in a soup of idiots, and the optimist in me is inclined towards it. |
12:44 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PeterL has been recorded. |
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13:01 |
mircea_popescu |
!up justusranvier |
13:02 |
justusranvier |
morning |
13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
how goes ? |
13:04 |
chetty |
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170977/gov%E2%80%99t-works-on-criminal-law-reform-to-fight-%E2%80%98blue%E2%80%99-dollar- |
13:04 |
assbot |
Govt works on criminal law reform to fight blue dollar - BuenosAiresHerald.com |
13:04 |
ThickAsThieves |
lol now Intuit gave the 1yr dev subscription... |
13:05 |
mircea_popescu |
huh ? |
13:07 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: FYI: https://plus.google.com/events/c3hmjaeivvnd6oj02hvdo1ca658 |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
justusranvier what am i lookin' at ? |
13:08 |
mircea_popescu |
Michael Goldstein presentats a tutorial on GPG contracts and the #bitcoin-otc web of trust. < that ? |
13:09 |
justusranvier |
We started syndicating our weekly bitcoin meetups. |
13:09 |
justusranvier |
So now they'll be put on YouTube |
13:09 |
justusranvier |
Instead of just teaching classes to the people who show up in person it spreads the reach a bit |
13:10 |
justusranvier |
He'll be talking about your GPG Contracts article. |
13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
aite, how can i help ? |
13:11 |
justusranvier |
Maybe one of these days you could get on a Hangout with us for a Q&A. |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-strategic-mission-list.pdf << mega-lol |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
what's a hangout ? |
13:13 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/T0za6UsQ << deturdified |
13:13 |
assbot |
SECRET//COMINT//REL TO USA, AUS, CAN, GBR//20291123 United States SIGINT System - Pastebin.com |
13:13 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform lol i saw that. |
13:14 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: Google's answer to Skype. Useful in that you can stream/record to YouTube |
13:14 |
mircea_popescu |
why must the format be bulky and impossible ? can't we do this ? |
13:14 |
penguirker |
New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/headlines-documents-ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining-case/ |
13:15 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: Example: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8tHKJLkEYXX_C_yuDop1kC6UMozzCKXq |
13:15 |
assbot |
Austin Bitcoin Meetup Guest Speaker Series - YouTube |
13:15 |
mircea_popescu |
do this : hire a chick wherever your studio is located. i'll pay for her tiome, give her an xchat terminal and she can read my replies. |
13:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.0007459 = 11.4123 BTC [-] {2} |
13:17 |
justusranvier |
mircea_popescu: Could work |
13:21 |
penguirker |
New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/ftc-vs-bfl-bitcoin-mining/ |
13:22 |
mircea_popescu |
!up moldysnizz |
13:23 |
moldysnizz |
Well howdy! |
13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
how goes |
13:25 |
moldysnizz |
It's pretty good so far. Slept in. No one around but a couple of dogs. Still breathing... Good shit right here. |
13:25 |
moldysnizz |
And I only fucked up my ;;bcverify once! |
13:29 |
moldysnizz |
I've been trying to wrap my head around rand(). |
13:29 |
moldysnizz |
Computers making randome numbers? I don't think so. |
13:30 |
kakobrekla |
;;gettrust moldysnizz |
13:30 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask moldysnizz!~moldysniz@unaffiliated/moldysnizz. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user moldysnizz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=moldysnizz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moldysnizz | Rated since: never |
13:31 |
moldysnizz |
I was formarly chatquack, but the computer with the creds is in storage. |
13:31 |
jurov |
govt storage? |
13:31 |
moldysnizz |
heh |
13:32 |
moldysnizz |
Parents garage. ;) |
13:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
13:34 |
kakobrekla |
moldysnizz you prolly need to read everything ascii ever said. |
13:34 |
moldysnizz |
In reguards to rand()? |
13:35 |
kakobrekla |
correct |
13:35 |
moldysnizz |
regards** |
13:35 |
moldysnizz |
*goes to the site* |
13:35 |
kakobrekla |
one star is enough |
13:35 |
TheNewDeal |
*** |
13:35 |
kakobrekla |
now fix it with "regards***" |
13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHz9wlBeLUa |
13:35 |
assbot |
Madonna - Lucky Star - YouTube |
13:36 |
moldysnizz |
regards! heh. |
13:36 |
jurov |
dunno, large part of that material is scattered around trilema |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
!s from:asciilifeform |
13:36 |
assbot |
26135 results for 'from:asciilifeform' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform |
13:36 |
jurov |
related to cardano rng |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
moldysnizz ^^ |
13:36 |
moldysnizz |
ty |
13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
!s "state of sin" |
13:36 |
assbot |
7 results for '"state of sin"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22state+of+sin%22 |
13:36 |
TheNewDeal |
Randomly scattered around trilema? |
13:36 |
kakobrekla |
not so randomly! |
13:37 |
kakobrekla |
quasi randomly perhaps |
13:37 |
jurov |
where did i wrote randomly? |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
there is method to this random! |
13:37 |
kakobrekla |
where did i wrote you wrote? |
13:37 |
jurov |
not you, TheNewDeal |
13:37 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov looks like your buffer got injected :D |
13:37 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
13:37 |
jurov |
kako's too |
13:37 |
kakobrekla |
we better sign irc lines |
13:38 |
* |
asciilifeform just saw, through window, an ornate 'sheriff' car, stopped. woman in police uniform emerges, tries to serve some kind of legal notice printed on large stiff paper to neighbour - who isn't home. she gets back in, drives off. |
13:38 |
TheNewDeal |
It was mostly a joke, on the topic of rand() ya know |
13:38 |
kakobrekla |
dud idk random jokes are so rand() |
13:39 |
moldysnizz |
wakka wakka |
13:39 |
TheNewDeal |
Ikr lol |
13:39 |
jurov |
dat my mind. just produced a thought "what if we measure trilema entropy? and what if it ends up being over-unity?" |
13:40 |
bounce |
txtspk, bringing humanity into easy AI territory from the other end |
13:40 |
TheNewDeal |
Makes me remember the markov chain trilema |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov no wai |
13:40 |
mircea_popescu |
THESE INSULTS!!!1 |
13:41 |
jurov |
... |
13:41 |
moldysnizz |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674 |
13:41 |
assbot |
Logged on 22-03-2014 17:19:21; asciilifeform: incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
trilema entropy is 0 |
13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
you just gotta know how to read it |
13:42 |
mircea_popescu |
unfortunately, it is a skill i seem to have mysplaced myself ;/ |
13:42 |
bounce |
s/spl/sp/ |
13:42 |
penguirker |
New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-witch-hunt/ |
13:43 |
jurov |
trilema entropy is 0 << means 1 bit of trilema text contains 0 bits of information? |
13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
no, by way of 1 bit of trilema contsaining 1 bit of information and so no room for this entropy cheez |
13:44 |
asciilifeform |
'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!' |
13:44 |
kakobrekla |
isnt that a bit fast |
13:45 |
bounce |
"security by lack of entropy" -- my, wouldn't that be useful |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google time is going by really slow i think we might be dead |
13:45 |
gribble |
I think we're dead - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U>; Police Officer steals Marijuana. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZb5wi_jsU>; What 3 things did you learn while you were in a near-death - TED.com: <http://www.ted.com/conversations/2306/what_3_things_did_you_learn_wh.html> |
13:45 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce it's basically asciilifeform's plan for computing. |
13:46 |
asciilifeform |
!s stone sword |
13:46 |
assbot |
2 results for 'stone sword' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=stone+sword |
13:46 |
kakobrekla |
!s hammer phone |
13:46 |
assbot |
2 results for 'hammer phone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hammer+phone |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
!s biggus dickus |
13:47 |
assbot |
0 results for 'biggus dickus' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=biggus+dickus |
13:47 |
mircea_popescu |
fixed now. |
13:47 |
moldysnizz |
He has a wife you know |
13:47 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
13:49 |
moldysnizz |
http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/ intresting stuff! |
13:49 |
assbot |
Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
13:51 |
mircea_popescu |
moldysnizz yeah! |
13:55 |
jurov |
!up moldysnizz |
13:57 |
jurov |
!up moldysnizz |
13:57 |
moldysnizz |
mircea_popescu, did you ever get a decent prototype of that RNG device working? |
13:57 |
moldysnizz |
thanks jurov! |
13:58 |
kakobrekla |
moldysnizz http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/tri1.jpg |
13:58 |
moldysnizz |
ooo fun! |
13:59 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074764 = 7.9997 BTC [+] |
14:00 |
moldysnizz |
Is this like a Arduino? |
14:00 |
kakobrekla |
exactly like except completely opposite. |
14:02 |
* |
asciilifeform not sure how item in question could have been confused for 'arduino' - other than in both being small electrical gizmos |
14:02 |
kakobrekla |
both pcbs are blue |
14:03 |
* |
asciilifeform digs |
14:03 |
asciilifeform |
yes indeed - apparently an 'arduino' - blue. |
14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
moldysnizz a prototype, yes. |
14:03 |
* |
asciilifeform never had one, didn't know |
14:03 |
* |
kakobrekla has a few |
14:04 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: they're 'atmel'-something-or-others with a bunch of convenient plugs, yeah? |
14:04 |
moldysnizz |
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427 ahh I didn't relize it was it's own thing. Looks fun! |
14:04 |
assbot |
Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards. |
14:04 |
bounce |
clearly, for production you must come up with an unique colour |
14:05 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform basically yea. you also have the arm editions in same package. |
14:06 |
asciilifeform |
moldysnizz: this particular item (trng) is a very simple but safety-critical (hence amount of effort spent on it) component of a larger apparatus. |
14:07 |
moldysnizz |
Right? Any decent crypto needs decent rng. |
14:08 |
moldysnizz |
I'm love'n it. |
14:08 |
kakobrekla |
i guess i expressed myself wrongly, as atmel indeed prints arm |
14:09 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: i thought 'arduino' used an 'atmega' |
14:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00075066 = 8.7077 BTC [+] |
14:09 |
kakobrekla |
theres hundredths of versions and editions |
14:10 |
kakobrekla |
arm example http://www.elechouse.com/elechouse/images/product/Taijiuino/ |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
i never really grasped the appeal |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen davout |
14:10 |
gribble |
davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ? |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
how hard is it to plant a micro in a breadboard or simple pcb ? |
14:10 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: the selling point is mostly the Arduino IDE |
14:10 |
mircea_popescu |
davout http://bitbet.us/bet/826/bitcoin-central-out-of-business-in-2014/#c4057 << you got a comment on this ? |
14:10 |
assbot |
BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.87 B (8%) on Yes, 10.09 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 36`753 (100`000 to 1) |
14:10 |
asciilifeform |
ide << what's in there? sdcc? |
14:10 |
kakobrekla |
ide sux balls. |
14:10 |
punkman |
and the "community" |
14:11 |
asciilifeform |
or is this another 'basic stamp' where 'pr0gr4m w1th0ut pr0gr4mm1ng like a l33t ch1xx0r' affair ? |
14:11 |
kakobrekla |
i use em for dicking around mostly |
14:13 |
kakobrekla |
and bobms. |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
!up vorandrew |
14:13 |
kakobrekla |
bombs |
14:13 |
mircea_popescu |
<kakobrekla> exactly like except completely opposite. << lmao |
14:14 |
* |
asciilifeform can't read word 'arduino' without immediately thinking 'aradruin' from j.r.r.t's 'silmarillion' (and ru. translation of 'lord of rings') |
14:16 |
punkman |
cardanduino |
14:16 |
jurov |
!mpif |
14:16 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. |
| |
↖ |
14:17 |
* |
moldysnizz chuckles |
14:17 |
moldysnizz |
Well, I have a shit-ton of reading now. Thanks for the info. |
14:18 |
moldysnizz |
I'm going to make my own TRNG. With hookers, and blackjack! |
14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
since you're doing that might as well go the whole nine yards |
14:18 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF has no text |
14:18 |
assbot |
F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614 |
14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
make your own grilfriend |
14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov looking |
14:20 |
asciilifeform |
grilfriend << 'i'm cooked on that side, please turn me over' (st lawrence of rome?) |
14:21 |
* |
kakobrekla never watched lord of the rings |
14:21 |
mircea_popescu |
me either. |
14:21 |
asciilifeform |
good book, but you need to be a kid to appreciate imho |
14:22 |
asciilifeform |
the film - depends if you go in for that kind of film |
14:22 |
kakobrekla |
wtf is with the round stones in the mpif fund, did you invest in that ? |
14:23 |
asciilifeform |
;;google round stones beneath the earth |
14:23 |
gribble |
Neil Young - The Round Stones Beneath The Earth (Dead Man ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQk8fborG4>; Dead Man Script - Drew's Script-O-Rama: <http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/d/dead-man-script-transcript-jarmusch.html>; The Round Stones Beneath the Earth... — Neil Young — Last.fm: <http://www.last.fm/music/Neil+Young/_/The+Round+Stones+Beneath+the+Earth...> |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=F.MPIF < |
14:24 |
assbot |
F.MPIF last 1@0.00020614 |
14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla wait wut ? |
14:24 |
jurov |
gut :) |
14:25 |
kakobrekla |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-09-2014#849932 |
14:25 |
assbot |
Logged on 29-09-2014 18:16:19; assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. |
14:25 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be mike's doing |
14:26 |
kakobrekla |
speaking of mike |
14:26 |
kakobrekla |
;;seen mike_c |
14:26 |
gribble |
mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k) |
14:26 |
jurov |
but the phrase is from assbot's fortune file? |
14:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20899 @ 0.00075138 = 15.7031 BTC [+] {2} |
14:26 |
kakobrekla |
!mpif |
14:26 |
assbot |
BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. Have you got any tobacco? |
14:26 |
kakobrekla |
lel |
14:27 |
kakobrekla |
its prolly the fact i cant code |
14:28 |
kakobrekla |
will that keep me off the list btw? |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
14:46 |
chetty |
news.yahoo.com/israeli-circumcision-device-provokes-union-outcry-south-africa-141537701.html |
14:49 |
nubbins` |
chetty, there's a die antwoord song featuring a xhosa guy talking about circumcision |
14:49 |
nubbins` |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbW9JqM7vho |
14:49 |
assbot |
Die Antwoord - Evil Boy (Explicit Version) - YouTube |
14:50 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2979 @ 0.0007472 = 2.2259 BTC [-] |
14:51 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla NO! |
14:52 |
kakobrekla |
:( |
14:53 |
Blazedout419 |
nubbins` got my poster! |
14:53 |
fluffypony |
please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` |
14:54 |
Blazedout419 |
Looks really nice...now to have it framed. |
14:54 |
nubbins` |
ah hahaha, fp is having an aneurysm no doubt |
14:54 |
nubbins` |
Blazedout419 great! |
14:54 |
fluffypony |
nubbins`: well the thing is, they're not even satirical or funny |
14:55 |
fluffypony |
they just take tidbits and snippets of red-neck society and then blow it completely out of proportion to try and make it "shocking" |
14:58 |
mircea_popescu |
fluffypony sounds like a decent recipe for humor neh ? |
14:59 |
fluffypony |
one would think so |
14:59 |
fluffypony |
but in doing so they mostly come across as "meh" instead of shocking |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
"Die Antwoord (pronounced [di'ɑnt.ʋoːrt], translation: "The Answer") is a South African rap-rave group formed in Cape Town in 2008." |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ok nm lol. |
14:59 |
mircea_popescu |
rave. srsly ? |
15:01 |
fluffypony |
yeah, see my point? |
15:01 |
fluffypony |
:-P |
15:01 |
mircea_popescu |
i do actually. |
15:03 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00074646 = 10.9483 BTC [-] {2} |
15:09 |
xanthyos |
IT IS OFFICIAL. THE SOCIALIST DANIEL VITA OF LANGLEY, BRITISH COLUMBIA, HAS ELECTED TO STARVE TO DEATH. |
15:14 |
thestringpuller |
good afternoon homies |
15:14 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu i have a quick question about the cardano |
15:14 |
mircea_popescu |
shoot |
15:15 |
kakobrekla |
is topace gone from irc for good? |
15:17 |
xanthyos |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByuR-E1CcAICyNh.jpg << THIS GUY IS UNSKILLED AT SITTING ON AN AIR MATTRESS |
15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
xanthyos got a problem down there ? |
15:20 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00074936 = 7.6809 BTC [+] |
15:20 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: if your question relates to design or manufacture, it is possible that i can help you |
15:20 |
Apocalyptic |
xanthyos, less caps ? |
15:21 |
xanthyos |
ya |
15:21 |
nubbins` |
o wow, just signed up for a circle account and used it for the first time |
15:22 |
kakobrekla |
thestringpuller yes, the pcb is blue. |
15:22 |
nubbins` |
such easy |
15:22 |
mircea_popescu |
can we be friends anymoar ? |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
imagine, buying btc with a credit card |
15:23 |
kakobrekla |
nubbins` did you encounter any amount of jerk with that? |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
transferred $50 from my credit card, immediately withdrew to cold storage address |
15:23 |
Dimsler |
lol circled |
15:23 |
nubbins` |
gonna wait a few days to verify cc fees and do the same in reverse |
15:24 |
Dimsler |
wait |
15:24 |
Dimsler |
circle will take CC and convert to btc? |
15:24 |
nubbins` |
yes |
15:24 |
Dimsler |
has anyone fed it hacked lines yet? |
15:24 |
nubbins` |
warning: cash advance fees may apply |
15:24 |
Dimsler |
whats the approval process? |
15:24 |
nubbins` |
no approval process, you just enter your billing details |
15:24 |
Dimsler |
no shit |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> kakobrekla as painless as taking a shit << ouch :D |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
so basically... just as long as wasn't a big shit. |
15:25 |
nubbins` |
mp eat more fibre ;) |
15:25 |
kakobrekla |
or bricks |
15:25 |
Dimsler |
too much steak |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler> has anyone fed it hacked lines yet? << i imagine not really so far. |
15:25 |
nubbins` |
what amazes me is that they managed to insure this whole process somehow |
15:25 |
mircea_popescu |
yet. |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
circle is going down |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
once the nigerians hear about it taking cc |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
for btc |
15:26 |
Duffer1 |
that all sounds ripe for abuse |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
i know |
15:26 |
Dimsler |
sitting there feeding cvvs |
15:28 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: it relates to "intended use". I want to know if a certain scenario is in scope. |
15:28 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: ideally, ask here, but if you must - pgp |
15:28 |
asciilifeform |
i can't think of any reason not to ask publiclyh |
15:28 |
thestringpuller |
We are talking publicly? |
15:29 |
thestringpuller |
I was just wondering if you were in the mood to take questions :P |
15:29 |
Dimsler |
who the fuck is stringpuller |
15:29 |
kakobrekla |
is in scope if you hook it up to one |
15:29 |
thestringpuller |
:D |
15:29 |
asciilifeform |
i will be, for at least another ten minutes, then i go & take break from computer, cut a little aluminum |
15:29 |
nubbins` |
oh lel, my visa-enabled debit card works, too |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
lol wow |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
no idea verification? |
15:30 |
kakobrekla |
see nubbins` try out his 584 cards going broke |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
er |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
ID |
15:30 |
nubbins` |
Dimsler nope just cvv |
15:30 |
Dimsler |
whats the limit to load in? |
15:30 |
nubbins` |
$500 per week, it seems |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler what a stupid q lol. how would they enforce a limit ? |
15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
10k ips, 10k stolen cards, 10k bitcoins and womenz ain't one. |
15:31 |
Dimsler |
LOL |
15:31 |
Duffer1 |
yep |
15:31 |
Dimsler |
10k bitcoin = womenz |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;got 99 problems womenz ain't one |
15:32 |
gribble |
Error: "got" is not a valid command. |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: let's have your scenario. |
15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google got 99 problems womenz ain't one |
15:32 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: could the cardano be used as a blackbox key generator? for instance someone once escrow keys that are one time use, the device can sign a message utilizing these generated keys, but they are inevitably destroyed, and no one has true record of the private keys used to sign said message |
15:32 |
gribble |
I Got 99 Problems But a Bitch Ain't One | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one>; I swear to God I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one /.. – All Me: <http://rap.genius.com/2053385/Drake-all-me/I-swear-to-god-i-got-99-problems-but-a-bitch-aint-one-i-got-99-problems-getting-rich-aint-one>; Spreadshirt Women's 99 Problems But My (1 more message) |
15:32 |
thestringpuller |
i apologize for the disarray of thoughts. a dpaste more flushed out maybe more beneficial in terms of relating the scenario |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: how do you (operator of device) intend to prove to your counterparty that you destroyed key ? |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
rm -rf |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
duh |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
the counterparty is in the room and takes the cardano as part of the deal |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
however the person generating the keys flips the switch |
15:33 |
Dimsler |
seriously anytype of scenario where a private key has to be trusted leaves room for malice |
15:33 |
thestringpuller |
to delete them |
15:33 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: how does your counterparty know that your cardano behaves as printed on the tin, and is not a substitute of identical appearance which you built in evil lab ? |
15:34 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: or that you have not replaced firmware with your own, that spits out a predestined set of keys cyclically ever time zap is thrown ? |
15:34 |
thestringpuller |
how do people know the cardano came from you asciilifeform and mircea_popescu 's "good lab" in the first place? |
15:34 |
Dimsler |
signed |
15:35 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: if you have concerns about solidity of design - you will have to study the published specs (upcoming) before considering purchasing device. |
15:35 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14616 @ 0.00075199 = 10.9911 BTC [+] {4} |
15:35 |
nubbins` |
then buy the t-shirt |
15:35 |
thestringpuller |
no concerns just trying to see if use case i possible |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
if you have concerns about supply chain - there is no choice, assuming you wish to use device, other than to examine your particular unit. |
15:36 |
thestringpuller |
is* |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform i don't get the logic in your last two |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so the guy is supposed to study the design, to find out if it comes fro mevil lab ? |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
no |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
this is the #1 most asked question |
15:36 |
thickasthieves |
to learn how to audit |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
'why should i believe you' |
15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform bt YOU asked HIM |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
15:36 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
15:37 |
thickasthieves |
i recall you stating buyer can replace parts |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
what a silly conversation |
15:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ikr. |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
honestly there still a certain level of trust |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
that has to occur |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
i believe thestringpuller is asking for a known impossibility - a mechanical angel. |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
i mean what are you nit picking at? |
15:37 |
asciilifeform |
that will broker transactions for him, be instantly recognizable as angelic on sight by a counterparty, etc. |
15:37 |
thickasthieves |
you cannot remove trust from human dealing |
15:37 |
Dimsler |
i know |
15:38 |
Dimsler |
thestringpuller, quit trolling |
15:38 |
asciilifeform |
let's rephrase. why, in just about any army in the world, soldier must carry and care for his own rifle? |
15:38 |
asciilifeform |
why not a barrel full of rifles, handed out before attack. |
15:38 |
nubbins` |
ooh i know |
15:38 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: i see. |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform actually this is how it was done during romanian revolution |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
well if only source for rifles is plundered arsenal - yes |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
coupla guys showed up at state tel;evsion building, dumped a sack of machine guns on floor |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
"get one, might be handy" |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
true story. |
15:39 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:39 |
asciilifeform |
what were they? kalash clones ? |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
(not really machine guns as in, three person platform fired band fed. shitty mps) |
15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google pistolul automat carpati |
15:40 |
gribble |
Pistoale | Comparison tables - SocialCompare: <http://socialcompare.com/en/comparison/arme-1bce5qox>; Infanteria Română – 180 de ani - Revista Forţelor Terestre: <http://www.rft.forter.ro/_wsn/01_biblioteca/pdf/c-006-infanteria-romana-180-de-ani.pdf>; teroristii din decembrie 1989 « The Romanian Revolution of ...: <http://romanianrevolutionofdecember1989.com/tag (1 more message) |
15:40 |
xanthyos |
capslock on the internet is the death throe of the loud poor man |
15:40 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: mechanical angel << well cardano is resistant to DPA, isn't this an angelic property? |
15:40 |
thickasthieves |
caps lock key shouldnt even exist imo |
15:41 |
xanthyos |
it made sense on mechanical typewriters |
15:41 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Md._1986 < that thing |
15:41 |
assbot |
PA Md. 1986 - Wikipedia |
15:41 |
thickasthieves |
back when typing in all caps was okay? |
15:41 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: try to understand the idea. your particular unit, which you unpack, (optionally) study under microscope, replace various parts (optionally) with old stock, etc. - you can vouch for the properties of. |
15:41 |
xanthyos |
back when people used to troll with paper |
15:41 |
asciilifeform |
another fellow who pulls out a visually-similar apparatus - what can you say about his. |
15:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: looks like ordinary kalash |
15:42 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: oh now i see. i was once blind. thanks for giving me eyes. |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
"România, membră a Tratatului de la Varșovia, a decis trecerea la noul calibru la începutul anilor 1980. În loc să fabrice direct o copie a automatului AK-74, conducerea de la București a decis dezvoltarea unei arme independent de cea sovietică. Rezultatul, Pușca Automată Model 1986, deși similară familiei AK-74, avea unele elemente constructive proprii. " |
15:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: believe or not, they used to sell them - here! a few hundred usd. |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
moved to the m16-inspired vietnam 5.56, in 1980, but decided to make own gun |
15:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: how they ended up in america - who knows! |
15:42 |
nubbins` |
thickasthieves: you obviously grew up in the age of varying-case fonts |
15:42 |
mircea_popescu |
ended up with clone with "some own elements" |
15:43 |
mircea_popescu |
it's really not a very good gun |
15:43 |
nubbins` |
should be a lower-case lock key IMO. |
15:43 |
Dimsler |
well romanian aks are pretty nice |
15:43 |
Dimsler |
probably the best one vs an original russian one |
15:43 |
asciilifeform |
goes 'bang' when pull trigger, that's generally all people ask for around here |
15:43 |
Dimsler |
what year did romanian aks go to mild receivers? |
15:43 |
Dimsler |
er milled |
15:44 |
asciilifeform |
american aficionados grumble about ro. metallurgy |
15:44 |
kakobrekla |
asciilifeform also 'not in the face' ? |
15:44 |
asciilifeform |
but i can't say specifically why |
15:44 |
mircea_popescu |
Dimsler not an expert, but prolly the 70s. |
15:44 |
asciilifeform |
not in the face << obligatory: |
15:44 |
asciilifeform |
;;google project eldest son |
15:44 |
gribble |
Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son>; Project Eldest Son – The U.S. Scheme to Sabotage Charlie's Rifles |: <http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/11/15/project-eldest-son-the-secret-u-s-scheme-to-sabotage-charlies-ammo/>; Project Eldest Son: Covert Ammo Sabotage in Vietnam | Field ...: (1 more message) |
15:45 |
asciilifeform |
^ where the ubiquitous image of 'kalash that fires backwards' came from |
15:45 |
thickasthieves |
i think mp or someone already shared something like this, but http://dpaste.com/1ACV2MC |
15:45 |
assbot |
dpaste: 1ACV2MC: You Have a New Comment, by tat |
15:46 |
Dimsler |
lol |
15:46 |
asciilifeform |
broken spamatron. |
15:46 |
Dimsler |
the ak is pretty decent for back fires |
15:47 |
asciilifeform |
the 'eldest son' trick would work on almost any small arm |
15:47 |
asciilifeform |
or hell, even artillery piece |
15:47 |
kakobrekla |
cool |
15:47 |
thickasthieves |
bfl made these http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/M4J11vT.jpg |
15:48 |
nubbins` |
lel I KNOW RIGHT |
15:48 |
Dimsler |
LOL |
15:48 |
asciilifeform |
(americans simply replaced one or two shells' powder with tetryl, resealed container, and left it for enemy to find as a trophy) |
15:49 |
kakobrekla |
Y I NO SHIP? I R AIRPLANE. |
15:49 |
asciilifeform |
out of curiosity, q for the aficionados: is there any mining hw vendor that is innocent of the scam 'bfl' is known to have carried out ? |
15:50 |
thickasthieves |
i'd say no |
15:50 |
kakobrekla |
fury? |
15:50 |
thickasthieves |
ah maybe them |
15:50 |
thickasthieves |
asicminer did technically IPO before they had a thing |
15:50 |
thickasthieves |
though they never took customer money w/o shipping |
15:51 |
asciilifeform |
but is there even one asic vendor that didn't mine with customer-paid chips before shipping ? |
15:51 |
kakobrekla |
fury |
15:51 |
thickasthieves |
they also have the best logo |
15:51 |
thickasthieves |
amazing |
15:51 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
15:51 |
asciilifeform |
not even 'testing' ? |
15:52 |
* |
kakobrekla got his chips before he managed to get em running |
15:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7724 @ 0.00075288 = 5.8152 BTC [+] |
15:53 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Doesn't Romania still use stamped AK recievers? I know all the ones we get here in the US are paper thin |
15:54 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: (ianal!) but recently i was told that it is, apparently, still legal to cut your own 'receiver' in usa - so long as you write your name on it. |
15:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Very much so , i have several |
15:54 |
mircea_popescu |
The20YearIRCloud yeah mostly |
15:54 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Manufacturing firearms isn't illegal anyhwere in the US outside of California and NY whom have additional restrictions. The federal deal is that it has to comply with all local laws, and if you intent to sell it, they require your information to be on it. |
15:55 |
punkman |
this circle thing works, just grabbed a cheap coin |
15:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
And then, the 'firearm' as far as the USG and ATF are concerned is the part that contains the serial number |
15:55 |
nubbins` |
punkman +1 amirite |
15:55 |
asciilifeform |
The20YearIRCloud: afaik there's some national list of prohibited features |
15:55 |
The20YearIRCloud |
So with an AK/AR it's the reciever, on something like a glock it's the frame/grip. |
15:56 |
punkman |
nubbins`: almost +1 |
15:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's a limited group asciilifeform : No barrels under 16" , gun must be 26" or longer, no fully auto/burst. No shotguns under 18" barrel. |
15:56 |
punkman |
surprised it worked in this shithole |
15:56 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders if small arms makers in usa spend more on metals, machining, or lawyers |
15:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Labor |
15:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
The uS passed a law a while ago that made it quite hard to sue a gun maker |
15:56 |
asciilifeform |
sue (civil action) or prosecute ? |
15:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Correct |
15:57 |
punkman |
nubbins`: did you get like 10 sms messages from them? |
15:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Because if they would allow it, it would bring on a severe wave of 'i improperly used your product to hurt someone, so i'm gonna sue' which happend a ton in the early 90s |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
let's say you manufacture, e.g., shotguns. then inspector walks in, with a piece inscribed with your logo, 17" long. |
15:57 |
asciilifeform |
how you prove it was 18 when left your shop ? |
15:57 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Depends on what kind of inspection you're talking about |
15:57 |
nubbins` |
punkman any major action required a SMS verification code |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
whatever kind of inspection (ianal) |
15:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well, most firearm firms that have a worry about the legality might send a copy or a blueprint to the ATF to get certification |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
yes - of design |
15:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
If it's a prototype, and you have a commercial manufacture license, you can fix that |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
but how to prove that you didn't make a particular non-compliant item |
15:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
If it's 17" , the law says you can just weld a piece of scrap metal to it that's 1" long and make it get to the minimum length |
15:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
It's very, very difficult |
15:58 |
asciilifeform |
no, think about the hypothetical. inspector walks in with 17 inch barrel, says 'you made this. now to jail.' |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
SIG very recently put out a few hundred thousand items that the ATF decided they didn't like, and they were essentially impossible to recall, so ATF sued them, and SIG won the lawsuit |
15:59 |
asciilifeform |
you: 'it was 18. you sawed it off at fbi headquarters.' |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Depends on commercial manufacture or doing it yourself |
15:59 |
Duffer1 |
welding a muzzle device counts too |
15:59 |
asciilifeform |
inspector: 'libelling a loyal servant of the crown. extra jail points!' |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Read up on the story of Ruby ridge to find what happens over that inch asciilifeform |
15:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
becuase that's what happened. A ATF agent got a guy to cut a inch off a shotgun in exchange for $200, then started a whole ordeal over it |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
that's tame compared to the gedankenexperiment. ordinary 'entrapment.' |
16:00 |
The20YearIRCloud |
Well in the case of ruby ridge the USG killed the guy's family |
16:00 |
asciilifeform |
but what if your refuse to break the laws, and inspector helpfully buys your 18 and cuts it in his office. |
16:01 |
The20YearIRCloud |
law says it's on them, although it could be done, ala gunwalker |
16:01 |
Duffer1 |
forces can trick you into breaking the law with impunity |
16:01 |
The20YearIRCloud |
where they forced a gun store to sell guns to a known cartel member, or otherwise they'd throw all the people in jail. Then said cartel guy kills quite a few with said gun. |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
just seems like you're at the total mercy of the crown, if you're a legal (registered) small-arms whatever-business. |
16:04 |
asciilifeform |
since law is whatever they say it is, and they can trot out whatever piece of hardware and say it came from your conveyor, |
16:05 |
asciilifeform |
they can force you to do or say absolutely anything - say, borrow your wife, or whatnot. |
16:06 |
nubbins` |
;;tslb |
16:06 |
gribble |
Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. |
16:06 |
nubbins` |
hm |
16:06 |
nubbins` |
no kidding |
16:06 |
asciilifeform |
in fact, this logically applies to anyone known to own the required tools for manufacturing illegal widgets |
16:06 |
The20YearIRCloud |
or legal ones |
16:07 |
asciilifeform |
this is roughly the situation with organic chemistry in usa, and has been for many years |
16:07 |
penguirker |
New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-internal-log/ |
16:07 |
asciilifeform |
owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code) |
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16:09 |
asciilifeform |
you: 'i wanted a belousovzhabotinsky reaction.' judge: 'you want chemisty - go to a store.' you: 'can't buy in a store' judge: |
16:09 |
asciilifeform |
'then illegal' |
16:09 |
nubbins` |
!up PeterL |
16:09 |
nubbins` |
use it wisely |
16:09 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: presumably the gun manufactureres keep records of what they produce |
16:10 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: you don't get it, do you |
16:10 |
PeterL |
signed by the techs certifiying they meet specs |
16:10 |
PeterL |
then they can use those docs in court |
16:10 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: inspector walks in with the 17-inch barrel, and says 'you are also guilty of falsifying records, since your records do not show that you made this' |
16:10 |
PeterL |
then they would have to prove records were falsified |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
really. |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
this is the basic 'kilo of cocaine in your toilet tank' theorem |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
any 'strict liability offence' carries with it - this theorem |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. |
16:11 |
asciilifeform |
because in as far as prosecutor goes - he has easy life. i.e. an illegal $item with your name on it |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
'loyal servant of the crown says he found this under your bed.' |
16:12 |
PeterL |
I wonder if this has been tried in court yet? |
16:12 |
asciilifeform |
depends on what you mean by 'this' |
16:13 |
PeterL |
your example, modified gun used to prosecute manufacturer of record? |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: normally they use 'child porn' to create a 'lettre de cachet' rather than gun. |
16:14 |
asciilifeform |
gun is just one example. |
16:15 |
PeterL |
could agent walk into my lab and say "You have benzyl chloride, acetonitrile and methylamine, therfore intent to manufacture methamphetamine"? |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
yes. |
16:15 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> use it wisely << actually he can selfvoice nao. |
16:15 |
asciilifeform |
(ask lawyer, see if agrees. as i understand - yes.) |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> in that burden of proof is, de facto, on the accused in all cases. << goes neatly with the |
16:16 |
PeterL |
but any organic lab will have those ingredients |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
'why can't miracles be accepted in science" |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
and for that matter, an excellent example of why so called "strict liability" and the rule of law can not coexist. |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but. |
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16:16 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
16:16 |
Duffer1 |
i believe it would be enough for an arrest, prosecution would be more difficult |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
exactly what i was trying to explain here. |
16:16 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu then whytf is he PMing me asking for voice?! |
16:16 |
nubbins` |
!down PeterL |
16:16 |
Duffer1 |
arrest if an officer wanted to fuck with you |
16:16 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` perhaps he doesn't know it yet ? |
16:17 |
nubbins` |
i guess he does now |
16:17 |
mircea_popescu |
PeterL ident with gribble and voice yerself. |
16:17 |
nubbins` |
;;gettrust assbot PeterL |
16:17 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PeterL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PeterL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PeterL | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014 |
16:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075288 = 5.0443 BTC [+] |
16:22 |
thestringpuller |
another ghost graces us with her presence :P |
16:25 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23584 @ 0.00075288 = 17.7559 BTC [+] {2} |
16:27 |
xanthyos |
http://theantimedia.org/max-keiser-to-join-russell-brand-on-the-trews-for-one-week/ |
16:27 |
assbot |
Max Keiser to Join Russell Brand on The Trews for One Week | The Anti-Media |
16:28 |
xanthyos |
^ two men both of whom i have trusted and have let me down. "but i love him and maybe this time he won't beat me." |
16:29 |
* |
xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam |
16:29 |
Duffer1 |
how's maxcoin doing these days btw? :P |
16:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00075286 = 21.6824 BTC [-] |
16:33 |
xanthyos |
i don't even track the prices of any alts |
16:34 |
xanthyos |
russell brand used to have a radio show 10 years ago full of revolutionary antistatist ideas. then he started getting work for cbs and disney and got quiet |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
* xanthyos remembers 2010's "buy silver crash jp morgan" keiser scam << should prolly blog about it |
16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
few do. |
16:35 |
xanthyos |
i was one of the idiots who bought silver at 29 and held it even when it spiked to 48 |
16:38 |
* |
asciilifeform remembers |
16:39 |
* |
asciilifeform also remembers thinking 'doesn't kodak corp. have most of the supply, not jpm' |
16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
16:40 |
punkman |
how many times did Kodak go bankrupt? |
16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
ahhh it's so great to see blogger.com die |
16:40 |
xanthyos |
i got all my information from keiser's call-ins to the alex jones show, so i guess i deserved to lose |
16:41 |
Dimsler |
the two biggest idiots |
16:42 |
xanthyos |
when idiots speak confidently, it's hard to resist their charm. that's why jehovah's witnesses visit in pairs |
16:43 |
Dimsler |
pretty sure the only people taking jones seirously are low brow hicks |
16:43 |
Dimsler |
that are easy to convince into a wearing a tin foil hat |
16:43 |
xanthyos |
his gravelly voice puts me to sleep |
16:44 |
thestringpuller |
lets all buy caves property |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
shit guise, drop everything. |
16:44 |
mircea_popescu |
the future of payments is here. |
16:45 |
mircea_popescu |
http://billdesk.com/ |
16:45 |
Dimsler |
lol |
16:45 |
thestringpuller |
ah the 90's |
16:46 |
Dimsler |
lol are you still here |
16:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://wmtransfer.com/ check that out. |
16:51 |
assbot |
WebMoney — Universal Payment System |
16:52 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00075301 = 24.774 BTC [+] {4} |
16:54 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: probably older than paypal |
16:55 |
mircea_popescu |
yup |
16:56 |
The20YearIRCloud |
I'm the only guy i know that bought into silver that hasn't lost a good deal of money into it |
16:57 |
nubbins` |
i know a hippie that put every cent he had into silver in 2008 |
16:58 |
The20YearIRCloud |
at what price? |
16:58 |
nubbins` |
around 10-12 iirc |
16:59 |
The20YearIRCloud |
He sell when it was $20-$48? |
17:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2} |
17:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2} |
17:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2} |
17:15 |
mircea_popescu |
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/early-sign-pancreatic-cancer-0928 |
17:15 |
assbot |
Biologists find an early sign of cancer | MIT News Office |
17:20 |
BingoBoingo |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye#Death_of_Officer_Jones |
17:20 |
assbot |
Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
17:21 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 |
17:29 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-] |
17:30 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/104678/ |
17:30 |
assbot |
Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon |
17:34 |
assbot |
jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:36 |
Azelphur |
BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0 |
17:36 |
assbot |
How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube |
17:36 |
BingoBoingo |
!up jborkl_ |
17:36 |
jborkl_ |
wtf is up with assbot, shithead |
17:37 |
jborkl_ |
thank you for the up BingoBoingo |
17:41 |
assbot |
jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 |
17:41 |
jborkl_ |
is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? |
17:42 |
BingoBoingo |
Azelphur: Nice |
17:46 |
jurov |
;;gettrust assbot jborkl_ |
17:46 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012 |
17:48 |
jurov |
assbot doesn't know you |
17:56 |
chetty |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/argentina-debt-contempt-idUSL2N0RU1XB20140929 |
17:56 |
assbot |
US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case| Reuters |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
hahaha |
18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
how does that work. |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7 |
18:11 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display) |
18:11 |
* |
asciilifeform not mac expert |
18:12 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color. |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6. |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it |
18:15 |
BingoBoingo |
Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware... |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
afaik - 8 did |
18:16 |
BingoBoingo |
8 does, but requires... greasing |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ? |
18:16 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture |
18:16 |
BingoBoingo |
No, but I've looked at some |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? |
18:26 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones? |
18:27 |
cazalla |
cyber lashing for being lazy previous week? |
18:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://wnep.com/2014/09/29/search-for-eric-frein-shifts << lol, own goals: 1 |
18:29 |
assbot |
Search For Eric Frein Shifts | WNEP.com |
18:29 |
xanthyos |
heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more |
18:31 |
cazalla |
asciilifeform, reads like First Blood |
18:31 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken |
18:31 |
BingoBoingo |
<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up. |
18:32 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'. |
18:32 |
asciilifeform |
cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city. |
18:32 |
asciilifeform |
but, as in 'wasp', one suffices. |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms. |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
!s clever poor |
18:34 |
assbot |
2 results for 'clever poor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+poor |
18:44 |
mats_cd03 |
17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 <mircea_popescu> ;;unrate jborkl_ |
18:45 |
mats_cd03 |
oh wait, he quit. |
18:46 |
mircea_popescu |
this minimum effort bs, meh. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla apparently i can't zero. |
18:47 |
mircea_popescu |
fixing sorry. |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved. |
18:49 |
cazalla |
midnightmagic, np ty |
18:49 |
mircea_popescu |
but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not. |
18:50 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp. |
18:51 |
mircea_popescu |
getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy |
18:57 |
|
Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810. |
19:00 |
peterl_ |
why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google Ienovo |
19:01 |
gribble |
#ienovo - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/ienovo>; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: <http://www.mudah.my/Ienovo+A680-28977948.htm>; Ienovo - Lenovo: <http://www.lenovo.com/social_responsibility/us/en/EC-DoC_Lenovo_G480.pdf> |
19:01 |
BingoBoingo |
;;google 1enovo |
19:01 |
gribble |
.minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbmHQ0JGlWM>; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: <http://www.partnerinfo.lenovo.com/partners/weref/resources/downloads/brand/think-range/Poster_Channel_Think_Range_HighRes_UK.pdf>; details - Lenovo: (1 more message) |
19:04 |
dub |
yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo |
19:12 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/drug-case-that-won-darren-wilson-an-award-at-risk/article_8d962d61-543f-5305-94dc-d36700fda9ef.html << Dominoes |
19:12 |
assbot |
Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News |
19:20 |
thickasthieves |
cheap coins will be over soon methinks |
19:20 |
thickasthieves |
maybe last hoorah tonight |
19:20 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
why? |
19:20 |
dub |
solid TA there |
19:21 |
thickasthieves |
well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately |
19:21 |
TheNewDeal |
Please explain |
19:22 |
thickasthieves |
but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves |
19:22 |
thickasthieves |
doesnt mean it's gonna happen |
19:22 |
dub |
whats your traderview again |
19:22 |
* |
dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history |
19:22 |
thickasthieves |
https://www.tradingview.com/v/mwf4pGBm/ |
19:22 |
assbot |
BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView |
19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT blog |
19:23 |
assbot |
The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. |
19:23 |
cazalla |
cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price |
19:23 |
thickasthieves |
my outlook hasnt really changed for a while |
19:23 |
dub |
3rd world problems |
19:23 |
thickasthieves |
just took longer than i initially figured |
19:24 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html |
19:24 |
assbot |
White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room. |
19:24 |
mircea_popescu |
http://pluss.vg.no/2014/09/27/1774/1774_23304090#xtor=CS1-1-23304090%5BHitlers+unge+d%C3%B8dsgud%5D |
19:24 |
assbot |
Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+ |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
heh |
19:25 |
dub |
is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh |
19:25 |
mircea_popescu |
dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog |
19:28 |
TheNewDeal |
;;Bc,stats |
19:28 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 323110 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175 |
19:30 |
xanthyos |
what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport |
19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well that takes time |
19:30 |
peterl_ |
white house weed? |
19:30 |
xanthyos |
mushrooms pop up overnite |
19:31 |
thickasthieves |
i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation |
19:31 |
dub |
parts of china are like that apparently |
19:31 |
thickasthieves |
just make the thing a weed |
19:31 |
dub |
grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is |
19:32 |
peterl_ |
are seeds expensive? |
19:32 |
thickasthieves |
dunno |
19:32 |
xanthyos |
only if feminized |
19:32 |
mircea_popescu |
dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution |
19:32 |
thickasthieves |
perfect |
19:32 |
peterl_ |
the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product? |
19:32 |
dub |
eys |
19:32 |
dub |
yes |
19:33 |
xanthyos |
it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick |
19:33 |
thickasthieves |
well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that |
19:33 |
peterl_ |
quantity makes up for low quality? |
19:33 |
thickasthieves |
cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere |
19:34 |
thickasthieves |
same for bitcoin really |
19:34 |
dub |
isnt it already heading that way? |
19:34 |
dub |
weed not btc |
19:34 |
thickasthieves |
well its changing quickly |
19:34 |
xanthyos |
dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain |
19:34 |
thickasthieves |
i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way |
19:34 |
thickasthieves |
i doubt she'd disagree today |
19:35 |
dub |
yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true |
19:35 |
peterl_ |
but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list? |
19:35 |
mircea_popescu |
!up AMDCeleron |
19:35 |
AMDCeleron |
whats up everyone |
19:35 |
AMDCeleron |
i love the name assbot |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough |
19:36 |
AMDCeleron |
who made assbot? |
19:36 |
mircea_popescu |
AMDCeleron who're you ? |
19:36 |
AMDCeleron |
a celeron processor made by amd |
19:36 |
peterl_ |
are you a bot? |
19:36 |
AMDCeleron |
no |
19:36 |
AMDCeleron |
i am a loser |
19:37 |
AMDCeleron |
what are you |
19:37 |
AMDCeleron |
what are you? |
19:37 |
peterl_ |
I'm a chemist |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
mkay this is not going so well. |
19:37 |
AMDCeleron |
? |
19:37 |
AMDCeleron |
intel inside celeron n2830 |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
!down AMDCeleron |
19:37 |
mircea_popescu |
gimme my voice back. |
19:37 |
peterl_ |
lol |
19:38 |
xanthyos |
;;gettrust AMDCeleron |
19:38 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=AMDCeleron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AMDCeleron | Rated since: never |
19:38 |
peterl_ |
that was quick, usually you let them play longer |
19:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess im growing old. |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!up meowmix |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
fucking noobs, check this guy out. |
19:40 |
meowmix |
hey everyone |
19:40 |
meowmix |
<3 |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
meowmix at least get a cloak, derp. |
19:40 |
meowmix |
whats a cloak? |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
* AMDCeleron (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #bitcoin-assets |
19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
* meowmix (~Sapphire@c-50-163-48-232.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets |
19:40 |
meowmix |
whatever |
19:40 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VYZ4EP.txt ) |
19:40 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 5 |
19:40 |
meowmix |
who likes hurricane? |
19:41 |
assbot |
Last 5000 lines bashed and pending review. ( error ) |
19:41 |
meowmix |
!b 5000 |
19:41 |
jurov |
thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 |
19:41 |
assbot |
Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DAV6Y0.txt ) |
19:41 |
meowmix |
!b 50 |
19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
wait for it... |
19:41 |
jurov |
and then rbounce |
19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
!down meowmix |
19:43 |
kakobrekla |
yeah buttcoins are getting expensive |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
jesus fuck omfg |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
dragonfly flew right throug window into my head |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/ |
19:46 |
mircea_popescu |
shot* |
19:47 |
BingoBoingo |
Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering? |
19:47 |
Peter_Lambert |
one of those micro drones? |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
its an actual dragonfly. |
19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
that was trippy. |
19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night |
19:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-surprisingly-brutal-facts-about-dragonflies/ |
19:50 |
assbot |
10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse |
19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
lmao |
19:50 |
BingoBoingo |
We have an insect gap. |
19:53 |
mircea_popescu |
"hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?" |
19:56 |
thickasthieves |
<+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible |
19:57 |
mircea_popescu |
RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ |
19:57 |
assbot |
The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
19:58 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
Oh |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDPgd1V5Y << kickass |
19:59 |
assbot |
Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube |
19:59 |
mircea_popescu |
pretty cool article |
20:02 |
Namworld |
Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight. |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
o ya. |
20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckvBLS58sk << fucking ballet check that out |
20:05 |
assbot |
Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube |
20:06 |
Namworld |
Eheh |
20:07 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-] |
20:22 |
BingoBoingo |
CuNTs https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j7GNikx7GnU/VClcxRgYiiI/AAAAAAAAEho/Zk25G01pzaU/s1600/cunt.jpg |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
20:43 |
BingoBoingo |
Vexual: You're up early today |
20:44 |
Vexual |
yes yes |
20:46 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-] |
20:56 |
dub |
mircea_popescu: related http://tabletopwhale.com/ |
20:56 |
assbot |
Tabletop Whale |
21:05 |
cazalla |
damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc |
21:06 |
kakobrekla |
hows that? |
21:06 |
cazalla |
http://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-adopter-calls-multi-sig-solutions-750-btc-theft/ |
21:06 |
assbot |
Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft |
21:08 |
cazalla |
every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed |
21:08 |
dub |
yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses |
21:09 |
kakobrekla |
former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally. |
21:09 |
kakobrekla |
cmon. |
21:10 |
JuliaTourianski |
this happened in washington at the meetup... |
21:10 |
JuliaTourianski |
conference* |
21:10 |
JuliaTourianski |
circle jerk* |
21:11 |
dub |
wait his handle is Treasure? |
21:11 |
dub |
oh |
21:13 |
cazalla |
Treasureless now |
21:17 |
ben_vulpes |
good afternoooooon |
21:19 |
Vexual |
i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error |
21:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-] |
21:25 |
ben_vulpes |
<fluffypony> please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that? |
21:26 |
Vexual |
first time bali? |
21:26 |
ben_vulpes |
wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual |
21:27 |
ben_vulpes |
is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule? |
21:27 |
ben_vulpes |
solar |
21:27 |
Vexual |
oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune |
21:27 |
ben_vulpes |
dammit |
21:28 |
Vexual |
and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune |
21:30 |
Vexual |
"first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question |
21:30 |
nubbins` |
"Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. " |
21:31 |
nubbins` |
thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day |
21:33 |
nubbins` |
well, similar, anyway |
21:33 |
nubbins` |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826634 |
21:33 |
assbot |
Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins |
21:34 |
nubbins` |
s/sell/be relieved of |
21:39 |
dub |
Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice |
21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
dub not bad |
21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
;;seen leotreasure |
21:43 |
gribble |
leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <leotreasure> they're in the final process |
21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are the only viable solution for securing bitcoins. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we. |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
"The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud |
21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
such nonsense. |
21:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html |
21:48 |
Vexual |
balinese dice? |
21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that. |
21:50 |
Vexual |
aren't we here |
21:50 |
Vexual |
hmm |
21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
win-win. |
21:50 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership" |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk |
21:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter. |
21:51 |
assbot |
Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines. |
21:52 |
cazalla |
is that an endoresment to start one? |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead, |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
but meanwhile... |
21:52 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla definitely. |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it. |
21:53 |
mircea_popescu |
it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business. |
21:53 |
kakobrekla |
mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader |
21:54 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one. |
21:54 |
Vexual |
im thinkin paywall |
21:55 |
kakobrekla |
i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place |
21:55 |
kakobrekla |
for us - redundant. |
21:55 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies. |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home" |
21:56 |
mircea_popescu |
"before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" |
21:57 |
* |
BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece. |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you. |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive. |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years. |
21:57 |
mircea_popescu |
an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that. |
21:58 |
Vexual |
i know little enough to edit |
21:59 |
dub |
what we really need is btc onion |
21:59 |
kakobrekla |
if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit. |
21:59 |
cazalla |
i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack |
21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: This is true. |
22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
dub nah, sa got that covered. |
22:00 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla ideally a team. |
22:01 |
kakobrekla |
and lots of css |
22:01 |
TheNewDeal |
where is the btc onion? I would like a link |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
no css. |
22:01 |
Vexual |
rss? |
22:01 |
dub |
bootstrap? |
22:01 |
kakobrekla |
html3 and css5 |
22:01 |
mircea_popescu |
and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co, |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do |
22:02 |
mircea_popescu |
with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco. |
22:03 |
cazalla |
coinfire? |
22:03 |
mircea_popescu |
right |
22:03 |
cazalla |
it became even stupider http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/26/lets-get-meta-site-ownership-via-token/ |
22:03 |
assbot |
Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire |
22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue" |
22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks. |
22:04 |
mircea_popescu |
which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask. |
22:05 |
Vexual |
ive got a good title |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable. |
22:05 |
mircea_popescu |
but tim gotta tim all over the tim. |
22:07 |
BingoBoingo |
TheNewDeal: http://www.coinion.com/ |
22:07 |
assbot |
The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source |
22:08 |
kakobrekla |
you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for |
22:09 |
mircea_popescu |
you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co. |
22:10 |
cazalla |
that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction |
22:10 |
Vexual |
that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping |
22:11 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories http://feeds.feedburner.com/CoinDesk |
22:11 |
assbot |
CoinDesk |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing. |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
bitching* |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone. |
22:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit. |
22:12 |
kakobrekla |
go ahead and try then |
22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it. |
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22:12 |
mircea_popescu |
JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ? |
22:13 |
cazalla |
i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that |
22:14 |
Duffer1 |
what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass? |
22:14 |
BingoBoingo |
cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy. |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
Duffer1 it's mostly a format war. |
22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine. |
22:16 |
BingoBoingo |
It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire. |
22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail |
22:17 |
decimation |
so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion |
22:17 |
assbot |
" + soundfiledesc + " |
22:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html |
22:17 |
assbot |
LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later |
22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation something like that. |
22:19 |
thestringpuller |
what is coinfire? |
22:19 |
Vexual |
i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting |
22:19 |
decimation |
I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total |
22:19 |
decimation |
but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all |
22:19 |
BingoBoingo |
thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp |
22:19 |
decimation |
it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay. |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
by how much is an academic point. |
22:21 |
decimation |
yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong |
22:21 |
danielpbarron |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850633 << sounds like fun |
22:21 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it. |
22:21 |
mircea_popescu |
and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended. |
22:22 |
decimation |
its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
can't renege. |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
and can't go broke. |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play. |
22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
it'll try both, fail both, and that's that. |
22:24 |
Vexual |
funnily space missions aren't insured generally |
22:25 |
Dimsler |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAYcqz54cw |
22:25 |
assbot |
Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube |
22:26 |
Dimsler |
such a gem of video |
22:27 |
TheNewDeal |
truthfully? |
22:27 |
Dimsler |
yes |
22:27 |
Dimsler |
disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers |
22:29 |
TheNewDeal |
for example |
22:29 |
Dimsler |
those are provided for you in the actual discussion |
22:29 |
Dimsler |
if you bother to listen to it |
22:30 |
decimation |
speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/parliament-bullied-to-pass-national-security-laws-says-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-20140924-10lir9.html |
22:31 |
decimation |
"Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years" |
22:31 |
Dimsler |
lol australia |
22:32 |
Vexual |
yep united states sandbox |
22:32 |
cazalla |
no more waltzing matilda for me |
22:34 |
decimation |
I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство |
22:34 |
Vexual |
trasnlation? |
22:34 |
Dimsler |
its a form of crime |
22:34 |
Dimsler |
to cause harm |
22:35 |
Dimsler |
commie lingo |
22:35 |
Vexual |
more info? |
22:35 |
Vexual |
|more |
22:35 |
decimation |
"wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans |
22:35 |
Dimsler |
the term means to sabotage a political insititue |
22:35 |
cazalla |
interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls |
22:35 |
mircea_popescu |
the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful. |
22:35 |
Vexual |
hmm |
22:36 |
Vexual |
ahh |
22:36 |
Dimsler |
yes |
22:36 |
mircea_popescu |
in the original case, the "workers" and their "party" |
22:36 |
decimation |
in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were |
22:39 |
decimation |
mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost |
22:39 |
TheNewDeal |
dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you? |
22:48 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5585 @ 0.00075059 = 4.192 BTC [-] {2} |
22:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00074936 = 5.2568 BTC [-] |
22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho. |
22:53 |
decimation |
you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies |
22:54 |
mircea_popescu |
lessee |
22:55 |
mircea_popescu |
!s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag |
22:55 |
assbot |
0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+volunteer+gulag |
22:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747378 |
22:56 |
assbot |
Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically. |
22:56 |
mircea_popescu |
o there we go. ty asciilifeform |
22:57 |
thickasthieves |
<+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up |
22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah |
22:59 |
thickasthieves |
just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) |
22:59 |
decimation |
as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong |
23:00 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag |
23:00 |
Vexual |
sounds like hungarian stew to my ear |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.' |
23:01 |
asciilifeform |
so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world |
23:01 |
thickasthieves |
gulash + lag |
23:01 |
thickasthieves |
goulash* |
23:02 |
thickasthieves |
they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school |
23:03 |
TheNewDeal |
dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content |
23:04 |
cazalla |
most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com |
23:05 |
thickasthieves |
call it The Biz |
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23:05 |
Vexual |
period0 |
23:05 |
cazalla |
blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews |
23:06 |
thickasthieves |
shaveandahaircut.bit |
23:06 |
punkman |
cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different |
23:07 |
hanbot |
heathen! |
23:07 |
decimation |
someone should apply for the .coin tld |
23:07 |
cazalla |
punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits |
23:07 |
thickasthieves |
i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs |
23:08 |
thickasthieves |
news.club is only $20 |
23:08 |
thickasthieves |
there's a news.wtf |
23:08 |
thickasthieves |
heh |
23:09 |
Vexual |
club is goode |
23:09 |
thickasthieves |
so many domains now |
23:09 |
punkman |
too many |
23:09 |
kakobrekla |
it turns out you can just print them |
23:09 |
kakobrekla |
like money! |
23:09 |
thickasthieves |
but .com is so much more valuable |
23:09 |
thickasthieves |
! |
23:09 |
punkman |
I grabbed a .company, to be revealed |
23:10 |
cazalla |
bit.press |
23:10 |
thickasthieves |
disassociated.press |
23:10 |
punkman |
I vote for chumpatron.whatever |
23:10 |
Vexual |
meh |
23:10 |
TheNewDeal |
derponomics |
23:10 |
cazalla |
chumpatron.com avail heh |
23:11 |
thickasthieves |
disassociated.press must exist already |
23:11 |
Vexual |
if it doesnt, it shoudn't |
23:11 |
thickasthieves |
lol |
23:11 |
thickasthieves |
call it rooters then |
23:12 |
punkman |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociated_press |
23:12 |
assbot |
Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
23:13 |
thickasthieves |
different word tho |
23:13 |
punkman |
I like that one better |
23:14 |
thickasthieves |
i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads |
23:14 |
thickasthieves |
what did i buy to deserve this |
23:14 |
Vexual |
rooters lol |
23:15 |
thickasthieves |
could rip off the Hooters logo |
23:15 |
thickasthieves |
hire saffron to do the summary thing |
23:15 |
kakobrekla |
that woman is annoying to watch. |
23:15 |
Vexual |
hes all business this cunt |
23:16 |
thickasthieves |
well thats why she gets naked |
23:16 |
punkman |
heh |
23:16 |
kakobrekla |
only makes it worse |
23:17 |
thickasthieves |
fine dont hire her! |
23:17 |
kakobrekla |
lol i dun care |
23:17 |
thickasthieves |
:) |
23:17 |
punkman |
so much derp http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/04/mens-fashion-frank-and-oak-15-million/ |
23:17 |
assbot |
Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes |
23:18 |
punkman |
"We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first," |
23:18 |
thickasthieves |
let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m! |
23:19 |
Vexual |
thats like 7/10ths of asicminer |
23:19 |
dub |
derpington post? |
23:19 |
TheNewDeal |
nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses |
23:20 |
punkman |
http://recode.net/2014/07/31/nordstrom-will-pay-350-million-for-trunk-club/ |
23:20 |
assbot |
Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code |
23:20 |
thickasthieves |
we're trailblazers in trailblazing |
23:20 |
punkman |
mobile first trailblazing |
23:21 |
thickasthieves |
i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things |
23:21 |
Vexual |
nice first exit; i like the style |
23:35 |
mircea_popescu |
thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from. |
23:36 |
mircea_popescu |
this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too |
23:37 |
mircea_popescu |
<thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea. |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ? |
23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<punkman> I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ? |
23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked. |
23:38 |
mircea_popescu |
this is a problem/ |
23:48 |
punkman |
mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned |
23:58 |
JuliaTourianski |
mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent. |
23:59 |
punkman |
JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article? |
23:59 |
punkman |
$10-$20? |