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00:00	JuliaTourianski	mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.
00:00	JuliaTourianski	punkman erm i can ask
00:07	cazalla	JuliaTourianski, do you mine?
00:08	JuliaTourianski	cazalla no, do u
00:08	cazalla	why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?
00:09	cazalla	JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun
00:10	punkman	JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins
00:11	JuliaTourianski	cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.
00:12	punkman	;;bc,stats
00:12	gribble	Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502
00:12	punkman	are we betting against difficulty yet
00:14	cazalla	only once and i won that bet, never again
00:15	punkman	I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while
00:15	punkman	even at $350
00:15	xanthyos	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywN6UVCQAAowRK.png
00:15	cazalla	actually that's not right, i've won no a few times
00:15	decimation	people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)
00:16	The20YearIRCloud	Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor
00:16	decimation	congrats!
00:17	cazalla	good luck bro
00:17	The20YearIRCloud	And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android
00:18	ben_vulpes	midwest water birth?
00:18	ben_vulpes	> tub of corn syrup
00:18	The20YearIRCloud	We're going to the hospital
00:18	ben_vulpes	ah
00:18	dub	just stopped to tell the internet
00:18	ben_vulpes	so 50/g corn syurp tub
00:18	The20YearIRCloud	at some point
00:18	ben_vulpes	$50/g
00:19	The20YearIRCloud	She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect
00:19	cazalla	just cut it out, over in 15m
00:19	ben_vulpes	cunt intact
00:19	ben_vulpes	downsides?
00:19	cazalla	downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks
00:20	The20YearIRCloud	Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital
00:20	ben_vulpes	modern hospitals offer modern birth
00:20	The20YearIRCloud	The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher
00:20	ben_vulpes	dafuq is going on over there
00:20	ben_vulpes	water* birth
00:20	The20YearIRCloud	Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are
00:20	ben_vulpes	can't win for america-ing
00:20	The20YearIRCloud	But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else
00:23	ben_vulpes	good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"
00:23	ben_vulpes	pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much
00:23	ben_vulpes	well, "view pull request" in list view of mails
00:28	cazalla	how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud
00:29	The20YearIRCloud	2 plus this one
00:30	cazalla	know what you're having this time?
00:30	ben_vulpes	!up Vexual
00:30	ben_vulpes	;;ident Vexual
00:30	gribble	Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
00:30	Vexual	shoa
00:31	Vexual	ahh
00:31	ben_vulpes	lol Vexual can't up sober
00:31	Vexual	20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?
00:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}
00:34	The20YearIRCloud	Hospital is 5 minutes away
00:34	The20YearIRCloud	I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere
00:34	Vexual	all about the re
00:35	dub	thats what got him into this mess
00:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}
00:37	Vexual	10 im truly poweless
00:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]
00:42	punkman	https://github.com/gordonwritescode/cointract.me
00:42	assbot	gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub
00:43	punkman	color made me think it was python for a sec
00:43	ben_vulpes	Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss
00:44	Vexual	ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss
00:44	ben_vulpes	tasty tasty js
00:44	punkman	https://cointract.me/jobs/542909c5bcda2c3a3a6fe374
00:44	assbot	Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
00:44	ben_vulpes	fwiw i never got insight to build
00:44	ben_vulpes	"build"
00:44	Vexual	you'll be my go to guy
00:44	ben_vulpes	ran into a npm hell-tuation
00:44	ben_vulpes	punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"
00:45	*	ben_vulpes backs away slowly
00:45	punkman	oppressed.me is a lulzy domain
00:46	Vexual	for js
00:46	punkman	check the deedbot clone https://cointract.me/jobs/54290539bcda2c3a3a6fe36b
00:46	assbot	Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
00:46	punkman	"user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "
00:46	Vexual	time not important, only results
00:48	punkman	!up MolokoDesk
00:50	ben_vulpes	Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7CYvh8FwA#t=224
00:50	assbot	Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube
00:50	Vexual	big bada boom in the cab
00:51	*	Vexual looking
00:51	Duffer1	good lord
00:52	ben_vulpes	bouncy bouncy
00:52	Vexual	duly noted
00:54	punkman	https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/512794761254551554
00:54	assbot	If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.
00:57	mircea_popescu	lmao
00:57	mircea_popescu	what ?
00:58	mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski yes i know.
00:58	mircea_popescu	<JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying
00:59	JuliaTourianski	"and then kill yourself". don't omit that
01:01	mircea_popescu	:p
01:01	mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov
01:02	mircea_popescu	dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,
01:03	The20YearIRCloud	is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things?
01:04	mircea_popescu	<punkman> color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?
01:05	mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"
01:05	The20YearIRCloud	I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish
01:05	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.
01:05	Vexual	i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head
01:06	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes why ?
01:06	ben_vulpes	experience.
01:06	mircea_popescu	when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?
01:06	mircea_popescu	you gonna annull all mariages now ?
01:06	ben_vulpes	copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.
01:06	ben_vulpes	what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?
01:07	mircea_popescu	point being, people copy/paste code to get married.
01:07	ben_vulpes	i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
01:07	ben_vulpes	what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.
01:07	mircea_popescu	dun worry, they'll come back to byte.
01:07	Vexual	ug
01:08	ben_vulpes	that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.
01:08	ben_vulpes	shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc
01:09	mircea_popescu	hm.
01:09	ben_vulpes	hm wat
01:10	Vexual	you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java
01:10	ben_vulpes	(on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)
01:11	mircea_popescu	hm im considering your theory.
01:11	mircea_popescu	seems drastic.
01:12	ben_vulpes	under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.
01:13	ben_vulpes	this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.
01:13	Vexual	yeah
01:14	Vexual	i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know
01:14	punkman	ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?
01:14	Vexual	its better to say no and smile ho
01:15	Vexual	even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in
01:16	ben_vulpes	punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.
01:16	Vexual	first time in bali?
01:17	punkman	ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?
01:18	ben_vulpes	assuredly does, but what machines run that code?
01:20	Vexual	oshit
01:21	ben_vulpes	punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.
01:21	ben_vulpes	what is a marriage to the wot?
01:22	ben_vulpes	hm.
01:22	punkman	well the two machines that matter run it
01:23	ben_vulpes	do only two machines matter?
01:23	dub	Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar
01:23	Vexual	rampage
01:25	punkman	ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P
01:29	Vexual	summon pankakke
01:30	Vexual	;;gogle 212 piff
01:30	gribble	Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.
01:33	Vexual	remeber that time?
01:33	Vexual	do you even mine?
01:33	Vexual	yes yes
01:35	Vexual	yes yes
01:39	Vexual	;;seen pankakke
01:39	gribble	I have not seen pankakke.
01:39	Vexual	;;seen pankkake
01:39	gribble	pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <pankkake> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/
01:41	Vexual	how quaint
01:45	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJJV1nruUUA
01:51	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II
01:51	Vexual	extacy is called barney coz of the previous
01:52	Vexual	an dso is the affect of the colony petey
01:54	Vexual	you can check that on eatabilty
01:55	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqEbRzy_t8 leave your mobile phone at home and come alone
01:56	Vexual	perlboy
01:59	pete_dushenski	nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!
02:00	Vexual	hell do any dye you liek
02:00	Vexual	phase change and all
02:00	Vexual	;;lasers
02:00	Vexual	really?
02:00	gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
02:01	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947tGsiv4lQ
02:01	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."
02:05	pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
02:05	pete_dushenski	kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel
02:07	Vexual	leets look for truths
02:07	Vexual	got any?
02:08	Vexual	will you eat bacon in australie pete?
02:09	Vexual	it's kinda becoming a thing lately
02:09	mircea_popescu	punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D
02:10	pete_dushenski	Vexual: absolutely
02:11	pete_dushenski	it's kinda been a thing in north america since always
02:11	Vexual	somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit
02:11	Vexual	its like the prche bit, but more american
02:11	pete_dushenski	nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.
02:12	Vexual	pizza pop?
02:12	punkman	it pops because microwave
02:12	pete_dushenski	it's a pillsbury food-like product
02:12	ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: lawskycode
02:12	Vexual	youll go better with my itinery
02:13	ben_vulpes	nite all
02:13	pete_dushenski	plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat
02:13	pete_dushenski	later ben_vulpes !
02:13	Vexual	weird cunt
02:13	pete_dushenski	lol
02:13	Vexual	thats my little brother right there
02:14	pete_dushenski	it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave
02:14	Vexual	all on js and erything else
02:14	pete_dushenski	http://www.delish.com/food-fun/weird-bacon-products#slide-9 << bacon ice cream
02:14	assbot	Best Bacon Products &#150; Bizarre Bacon Food - Delish.com
02:14	Vexual	thats not a thing
02:16	pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikR3PT3Zb7Q&list=UUYjk_zY-iYR8YNfJmuzd70A
02:16	assbot	Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube
02:16	pete_dushenski	a bacon tart is
02:17	Vexual	ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete
02:18	Vexual	the ferry will cure your ails
02:18	Vexual	the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river
02:18	Vexual	china town is real
02:18	punkman	I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt
02:19	xanthyos	the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel
02:19	punkman	not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert
02:19	Vexual	ug yoghurt
02:19	Vexual	bring me meat
02:20	mircea_popescu	punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word
02:20	mircea_popescu	you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".
02:20	pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen
02:20	assbot	Epic Meal Time - YouTube
02:20	punkman	and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream
02:21	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too
02:21	pete_dushenski	though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated
02:21	mircea_popescu	depends where.
02:21	mircea_popescu	not in france say.
02:21	pete_dushenski	c'est quoi?
02:22	pete_dushenski	this i did not know
02:25	punkman	suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon
02:26	punkman	if only I could get some decent bacon
02:29	Vexual	theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo
02:29	Vexual	on the main strip
02:29	Vexual	good wine list for luch
02:30	Vexual	gets cokey after dark
02:30	Vexual	le somethng
02:33	pete_dushenski	not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad
02:33	Vexual	well theres duck
02:33	pete_dushenski	a now we're talking
02:33	Vexual	i dont eat snails either
02:33	Vexual	the boss is asian
02:33	Vexual	yes homo
02:34	Vexual	breads good too
02:34	Vexual	dunno where hes from, mental case
02:34	Vexual	no somellier
02:35	Vexual	prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch
02:35	Vexual	can u find it pete?
02:36	pete_dushenski	i'm sure :)
02:38	Vexual	i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places
02:41	Vexual	i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi
02:41	Vexual	such haxor
02:44	RagnarDanneskjol	omk
02:44	Vexual	trasnslation?
02:44	RagnarDanneskjol	ud
02:44	RagnarDanneskjol	whatever teh command is
02:45	Vexual	kittens?\
02:45	RagnarDanneskjol	thats the one
02:45	Vexual	;;laserkittens
02:45	gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
02:46	mircea_popescu	as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles.
02:46	Vexual	such 2014
02:47	mircea_popescu	there's exactly 1006 of 'em.
02:47	Vexual	bb will be devo
02:48	pete_dushenski	;;ticker
02:48	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684
02:48	RagnarDanneskjol	1006 trilemas?
02:48		Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166.
02:48	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian
02:49	RagnarDanneskjol	Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should
02:49	mircea_popescu	5823 actually.
02:49	mircea_popescu	that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf.
02:49	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
02:49	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225
02:49	RagnarDanneskjol	that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough
02:49	Vexual	all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle
02:50	RagnarDanneskjol	at least an ebook then.
02:50	punkman	mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search
02:51	RagnarDanneskjol	well, ned to pay for it somehow
02:51	punkman	you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual
02:52	RagnarDanneskjol	ok - i dont know mthreats thing
02:52	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...
02:53	Vexual	imma take yo to the ballet bb
02:53	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year
02:54	mircea_popescu	punkman google does a decent jerb!
02:54	BingoBoingo	Well, I could
02:54	BingoBoingo	<Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here
02:54	Vexual	no i mean thw ballet
02:54	pete_dushenski	thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!
02:55	pete_dushenski	the nutcracker!
02:55	Vexual	i talk too mxch therwe too
02:56	pete_dushenski	not enough people talk at the ballet
02:56	Vexual	never felt alspeep yet tho
02:56	punkman	!s from:mircea_popescu fuck google
02:56	assbot	19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fuck+google
02:56	mircea_popescu	!s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies
02:56	assbot	0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+i+love+google+and+want+to+have+its+babies
02:56	pete_dushenski	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/29/firechat-messaging-app-gains-users-during-hong-kong-protests/
02:56	assbot	FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ
02:56	mircea_popescu	odd.
02:56	Vexual	fail
02:57	pete_dushenski	https://itunes.apple.com/app/id719829352?mt=8&&referrer=click%3D3219c86e-2bd6-4eee-ba61-0b8f9e525b43 << kinda interesting… internetless messaging
02:57	assbot	FireChat on the App Store on iTunes
02:58		Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149.
02:58	Vexual	this is why kong kong apot petey
02:58	pete_dushenski	"The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."
02:59	pete_dushenski	^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.
02:59	mircea_popescu	and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!
02:59	Vexual	cunt
02:59	Vexual	wait for 3 weeks mp
02:59	Vexual	im still liquidatinbg assets
03:00	pete_dushenski	ciao!
03:01	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXztxNSuArQ
03:04	pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/516754881739505664
03:04	assbot	/hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.
03:04	pete_dushenski	fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags
03:05	Vexual	no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once
03:05	pete_dushenski	more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot
03:05	Vexual	pardon me?
03:06	pete_dushenski	eh? what's to pardon?
03:07	Vexual	are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?
03:08	pete_dushenski	neither really
03:10	Vexual	good answer
03:11		Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127.
03:12	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg
03:13	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.
03:14	dub	sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo
03:15	dub	dont bother with the baxter
03:15	Vexual	wha??
03:16	pete_dushenski	a brouhaha!
03:17	Vexual	seems veryone loves the glittert city
03:19	pete_dushenski	Vexual: dub in case you own houses: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/30/australias-options-as-it-seeks-to-douse-house-prices/
03:19	assbot	Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ
03:19	dub	!australia here
03:20	pete_dushenski	dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now?
03:20	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A
03:22	pete_dushenski	Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”
03:22	pete_dushenski	^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept
03:22	pete_dushenski	such lulz those central bankers
03:26	pete_dushenski	decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)
03:26	assbot	" + soundfiledesc + "
03:28	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItT2XTcW64
03:28	Vexual	dont let nobody tax youy
03:32	cazalla	property is so fucked here
03:34	Vexual	how so?
03:36	cazalla	cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans
03:36	Vexual	resisentiua;?
03:37	Vexual	try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it
03:37	Vexual	its the fuckin rools
03:40	Vexual	enhancing criminal intent
03:41	Vexual	im making goulash
03:41	cazalla	yum
03:42	cazalla	having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat
03:42	Vexual	its fail but delicious
03:43	pete_dushenski	g'day ozzies!
03:43	Vexual	let the sprog xhew it
03:43	Vexual	fucxin mincer
03:43	cazalla	he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet
03:44	Vexual	well let him wait
03:44	cazalla	nah, i want to get some red meat into him
03:44	Vexual	tru dat
03:45	Vexual	hes got teeth?
03:45	Vexual	dont mince it all
03:45	cazalla	no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet
03:46	cazalla	not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse
03:47	Vexual	steak then
03:47	cazalla	choking hazard
03:48	Vexual	well its steak or tit
03:48	cazalla	put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time
03:48	Vexual	meh, its your kid
03:48	cazalla	so i'm told
03:48	Vexual	dont blame me if it somees out a furry
03:49	cazalla	lol
03:51	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo
03:54	cazalla	see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month
03:54	cazalla	https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/09/30/how-the-new-ato-guidance-affects-coinjar-users/
03:54	assbot	How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog
03:55	RagnarDanneskjol	crikey
03:56	Vexual	such is life
03:57	Vexual	i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked
03:57	Vexual	took em a week to solve it, never again
03:57	Vexual	face to face perhaps
04:00	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDIMkE3Qeg
04:07	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-pqEdjgLQ
04:20	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGaPCqfHnU
04:25	RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-0Eo0Yk0o
04:25	assbot	Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube
04:27	cazalla	you 2 and your nignog tunes
04:29	Vexual	lol
04:29	Vexual	itll get worse before it gets better
04:30	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPTmDWDzLw
04:34	RagnarDanneskjol	that is odd
04:35	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY
04:36	RagnarDanneskjol	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpJPrXiiYA
04:36	assbot	Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube
04:37	cazalla	muhfuggen bix nood
04:38	Vexual	sawahha?
04:39	RagnarDanneskjol	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHo7H2ZkNc
04:39	assbot	FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube
04:39	Vexual	you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem
04:41	cazalla	??
04:42	cazalla	guinea pigs euphemism for?
04:42	Vexual	eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards
04:44	cazalla	have you eaten them?
04:44	Vexual	no
04:45	Vexual	i understand the concept
04:45	cazalla	seem too cute to eat
04:45	Vexual	meh
04:47	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE
04:47	cazalla	Vexual, you been drinking all day?
04:48	Vexual	what day is it?
04:50	cazalla	tuesday
04:50	Vexual	yes
04:51	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIRR1KstYj0
04:52	cazalla	do you know your boi bangs Vexual
04:53	cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchaAtrwkE4 he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb
04:53	assbot	Bangs - 'Meet Me On Facebook' Exclusive - [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
04:53	Vexual	rampant victorians
04:56	MolokoDesk	deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.
04:56	Vexual	toothless fans liivin in vans
04:57	MolokoDesk	(looks like assbot is the only op)
04:57	RagnarDanneskjol	theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed
04:57	RagnarDanneskjol	send to bot
04:57	MolokoDesk	oh duh.
04:57	RagnarDanneskjol	yep
04:57	MolokoDesk	thanx.
04:57	MolokoDesk	.dump
04:58	MolokoDesk	not voices
04:58	RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot
04:58	MolokoDesk	!up deedBot
04:58	MolokoDesk	.dump
04:58	deedBot	time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497
04:58	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
04:58	MolokoDesk	that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)
04:58	MolokoDesk	.balance
04:58	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
04:59	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
05:00	deedBot	Bundled:
05:00	MolokoDesk	.deed http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
05:00	assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
05:00	deedBot	deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.
05:00	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:00	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:00	deedBot	Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
05:00	assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
05:01	MolokoDesk	just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.
05:01	MolokoDesk	.deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6 (ALF,RD)
05:01	assbot	deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
05:01	deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:01	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:01	deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6
05:01	assbot	deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
05:01	RagnarDanneskjol	.deed http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
05:01	assbot	testing - Pastebin.com
05:01	deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:01	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:01	deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
05:01	assbot	testing - Pastebin.com
05:02	RagnarDanneskjol	huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly
05:02	MolokoDesk	assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL
05:02	RagnarDanneskjol	all others are fine
05:03	MolokoDesk	it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
05:03	assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
05:03	MolokoDesk	so it's not a valid signed message block.
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	that one
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	nope it is
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	one from bingo
05:03	MolokoDesk	the weird unicode dashes are valid?
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	unless he changed his key
05:03	RagnarDanneskjol	beats hell outta me
05:03	MolokoDesk	oh I see.
05:04	MolokoDesk	let me check the trust metric on that.
05:04	RagnarDanneskjol	other one is fine lists ascii and me
05:04	MolokoDesk	there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.
05:05	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOH15_pqWZ4
05:05	MolokoDesk	gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key
05:05	MolokoDesk	;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
05:05	gribble	Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.
05:06	MolokoDesk	;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
05:06	gribble	No such user registered.
05:06	RagnarDanneskjol	investigating
05:07	RagnarDanneskjol	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=BingoBoingo
05:07	assbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data
05:07	RagnarDanneskjol	yep different
05:07	RagnarDanneskjol	NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig
05:08	RagnarDanneskjol	forget it . is fine
05:09	Vexual	.dont wurry
05:10	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc
05:11	MolokoDesk	wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
05:12	MolokoDesk	ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix
05:12	RagnarDanneskjol	i think it still does
05:13	MolokoDesk	it didn't look up the http description header that time.
05:13	RagnarDanneskjol	guess so
05:15	RagnarDanneskjol	actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes
05:15	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II
05:16	MolokoDesk	not all web pages have a description meta tag.
05:16	MolokoDesk	.deed http://www.google.com
05:16	assbot	Google
05:16	deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://www.google.com
05:16	assbot	Google
05:16	RagnarDanneskjol	i thought youtube would be consistent
05:19	RagnarDanneskjol	s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub
05:20	MolokoDesk	.deed http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
05:20	deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg
05:20	punkman	.deed http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt
05:20	deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt
05:20	MolokoDesk	how large is that file?
05:21	MolokoDesk	it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document
05:21	RagnarDanneskjol	its just an encrypted block
05:21	RagnarDanneskjol	yea
05:21	punkman	it's not encrypted
05:21	RagnarDanneskjol	errr, como?
05:21	MolokoDesk	what is it?
05:22	punkman	was clearsigned a requirement?
05:23	RagnarDanneskjol	thats all its meant to read
05:24	MolokoDesk	.deed http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg
05:24	deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg
05:24	MolokoDesk	trying to mess with the file size limit.
05:24	MolokoDesk	.dump
05:24	deedBot	time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493
05:24	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
05:25	MolokoDesk	.balance
05:25	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
05:25	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys
05:28	MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/13881d36a6cf98e5fb970dae94b77c0b822c4f48e31efe18255122c2654f7cfc-1MdrUqS683u8Xo8NQKQe52UdDGq75QP3NQ.txt
05:29	MolokoDesk	there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.
05:29	MolokoDesk	I should block that.
05:29	RagnarDanneskjol	shh
05:29	MolokoDesk	I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?
05:29	MolokoDesk	heh
05:29	MolokoDesk	we're here to break it.
05:30	punkman	.deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
05:30	assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
05:30	punkman	!up deedbot
05:31	RagnarDanneskjol	it had voice
05:31	punkman	nah
05:31	RagnarDanneskjol	oh
05:31	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI
05:32	RagnarDanneskjol	.deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
05:32	assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
05:32	deedBot	deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:32	deedBot	Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
05:32	assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
05:32	Vexual	all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town
05:32	Vexual	better roll your aeroplane down
05:32	punkman	does it detect duplicates?
05:32	MolokoDesk	no
05:33	RagnarDanneskjol	doubt it
05:33	MolokoDesk	that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.
05:34	MolokoDesk	"see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"
05:34	MolokoDesk	"one at a time"
05:35	RagnarDanneskjol	whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these
05:35	Vexual	alive and dead
05:35	MolokoDesk	magic square is my guess.
05:36	Vexual	yeah
05:36	MolokoDesk	.calc 1+36+34+33+2+3
05:36	deedBot	1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109
05:36	MolokoDesk	.calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29
05:36	deedBot	9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112
05:36	MolokoDesk	nope
05:37	MolokoDesk	rows and columns add up to ascii characters?
05:37	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs
05:37	MolokoDesk	or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.
05:37	punkman	.deed http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA
05:37	assbot	- Pastebin.com
05:37	deedBot	deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:37	deedBot	Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA
05:37	assbot	- Pastebin.com
05:37	MolokoDesk	6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme
05:37	Vexual	bit by a snake= dead
05:38	Vexual	it happens
05:38	MolokoDesk	.wolfram sum(1..36)
05:38	deedBot	Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666
05:38	MolokoDesk	yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6
05:38	MolokoDesk	.calc 18*18
05:38	deedBot	18 * 18 = 324
05:39	MolokoDesk	those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.
05:40	Vexual	;;calc ultimate sperpant
05:40	gribble	Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
05:40	Vexual	bwahaha
05:40	MolokoDesk	;;calc number of the beast
05:40	gribble	Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
05:41	MolokoDesk	.calc number of the beast
05:41	deedBot	Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
05:41	MolokoDesk	.calc speed of light in rods per fortnight
05:41	deedBot	the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight
05:41	RagnarDanneskjol	ha calc is goog
05:42	Vexual	goog ist shite
05:43	Vexual	am i talking to a realbot?
05:43	MolokoDesk	yeah
05:43	MolokoDesk	i mean yeah, it's a google scrape
05:43	MolokoDesk	the module is external, it's Tao_Jones
05:43	MolokoDesk	.dump
05:43	deedBot	time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626
05:43	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
05:46	Vexual	okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?
05:47	MolokoDesk	is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?
05:47	Vexual	no its an astro science thing
05:48	MolokoDesk	oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.
05:48	MolokoDesk	they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.
05:48	MolokoDesk	just guessing.
05:48	Vexual	collide again
05:49	Vexual	seems unlikely
05:49	MolokoDesk	two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?
05:49	MolokoDesk	collisions like that are generally how planets form.
05:49	Vexual	one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff
05:50	MolokoDesk	so the orbits diverge?
05:50	Vexual	no no
05:50	MolokoDesk	you could set up a betting pool on this.
05:50	MolokoDesk	SpaceBets
05:50	Vexual	yes the orbits change
05:51	MolokoDesk	they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.
05:51	MolokoDesk	there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.
05:51	Vexual	dust and ice
05:52	MolokoDesk	yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.
05:52	Vexual	what commet ar eyou commenting?
05:52	MolokoDesk	.wolfram mass of ida
05:52	deedBot	243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg )
05:52	MolokoDesk	.wolfram mass of dactyl
05:52	deedBot	(no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)
05:53	RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed
05:53	assbot	deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
05:53	deedBot	No signed deeds found in https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed
05:53	assbot	deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
05:53	MolokoDesk	I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.
05:54	MolokoDesk	it maybe taken verbatim
05:54	RagnarDanneskjol	hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful
05:54	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU
05:54	MolokoDesk	I'll have to look into it.
05:55	MolokoDesk	.dump
05:55	deedBot	time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307
05:55	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
05:55	MolokoDesk	5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.
05:56	Vexual	well said
05:56	RagnarDanneskjol	place your bets
05:56	RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed
05:56	deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:56	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
05:56	deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed
05:57	MolokoDesk	$url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.
05:58	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY
05:58	MolokoDesk	why'd it work the 2nd time?
05:58	Vexual	let me tell you a little bedtime story
05:58	MolokoDesk	raw
05:58	RagnarDanneskjol	raw txt
05:59	MolokoDesk	I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.
05:59	MolokoDesk	github's kinda huge. I may do that.
06:00	deedBot	Bundled:
06:00	MolokoDesk	what is this non-message?
06:01	MolokoDesk	.dump
06:01	deedBot	time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49
06:01	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
06:01	MolokoDesk	it's spent and tracking it.
06:01	Vexual	sleep moar
06:01	Vexual	no no
06:02	RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot
06:02	MolokoDesk	period instead of comma in a regular expression.
06:03	MolokoDesk	restarting it with revisions.
06:03	MolokoDesk	tracking will pick up where it left off.
06:03	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsazIACpYM have some data
06:03	MolokoDesk	pending bundles survive and are retained.
06:04	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
06:04	MolokoDesk	.dump
06:04	deedBot	time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272
06:04	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
06:04	deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
06:05	Vexual	do you need a databse?
06:05	MolokoDesk	.interval 900
06:05	deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.
06:05	MolokoDesk	what kind of database?
06:05	Vexual	well i could recommend a format
06:05	MolokoDesk	nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.
06:06	Vexual	did i say you could such your penis yet?\
06:06	Vexual	dont premet me
06:07	MolokoDesk	i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.
06:07	MolokoDesk	punkman put me up to it.
06:07	Vexual	well there you go
06:07	RagnarDanneskjol	ned to do another round of deeds now, huh
06:08	MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50
06:08	MolokoDesk	probably.
06:08	RagnarDanneskjol	i mean to validate performance in chan
06:08	MolokoDesk	or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.
06:08	RagnarDanneskjol	i'll start
06:08	MolokoDesk	re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.
06:09	MolokoDesk	.deeds saldkflaskdjf
06:09	RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
06:09	deedBot	No signed deeds found in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
06:09	MolokoDesk	odd
06:09	RagnarDanneskjol	yea
06:09	Vexual	kinda shit
06:09	MolokoDesk	i probably broke it.
06:09	RagnarDanneskjol	youbroke it
06:09	RagnarDanneskjol	ahhh
06:09	RagnarDanneskjol	gribble
06:10	punkman	did my UTF8 message survive?
06:11	Vexual	mug
06:11	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
06:11	MolokoDesk	.dump
06:11	deedBot	time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694
06:11	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
06:11	deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
06:11	MolokoDesk	.interval 1800
06:11	deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.
06:11	MolokoDesk	.interval 1200
06:11	deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.
06:12	MolokoDesk	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
06:12	deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
06:12	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
06:12	deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
06:13	RagnarDanneskjol	hmm - so works with gribble down
06:13	MolokoDesk	yeah. gribble is out of the loop.
06:13	RagnarDanneskjol	oh yea
06:13	RagnarDanneskjol	forgot
06:13	MolokoDesk	streamlines things enormously
06:14	MolokoDesk	gribble still updates the trust database though.
06:14	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
06:15	MolokoDesk	.dump
06:15	deedBot	time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923
06:15	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
06:20	deedBot	Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
06:20	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs
06:22	MolokoDesk	.dump
06:22	deedBot	time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145
06:22	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)
06:22	MolokoDesk	.interval 3600
06:22	deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.
06:24	punkman	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/when-all-cigarette-packages-look-the-same-fewer-people-buy-them/
06:24	assbot	When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post
06:24	deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
06:24	deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt
06:25	RagnarDanneskjol	i dont buyy it
06:25	punkman	Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?
06:25	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2SZPb7UUtc yah cartier
06:26	punkman	Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages
06:26	punkman	(gpg --sign --armor that is)
06:27	RagnarDanneskjol	i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block
06:27	punkman	it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign
06:28	RagnarDanneskjol	right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it
06:31	RagnarDanneskjol	yep like this: http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z
06:31	assbot	$ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com
06:32	RagnarDanneskjol	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815449
06:32	assbot	Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z
06:34	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs
06:42	Vexual	i smoke white owl and old port after noon
06:45	Vexual	no weed
06:46	RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot
06:46	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqY_I5dhVE
06:50	Vexual	yesca
06:52	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJ87WnQ5XA
06:56	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmuFTF-z32U
07:00	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jND3F56tsF8 311
07:08	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nrF5aXPlQ
07:09	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
07:12	chetty	need a laugh? http://phys.org/news/2014-09-scientists-droplets.html
07:12	assbot	Scientists make droplets move on their own
07:14	Vexual	is that code? checz?
07:14	Vexual	science in chech is like what heroin emema?
07:18	chetty	Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo
07:21	Vexual	ya they love a droplet in prague
07:22	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
07:22	RagnarDanneskjol	i moved to other chan w/dump command
07:22	RagnarDanneskjol	the repors
07:22	MolokoDesk	(ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)
07:22	RagnarDanneskjol	reports
07:23	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ << with many thanks to asciilifeform
07:23	assbot	Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
07:23	mircea_popescu	had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.
07:23	MolokoDesk	(you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)
07:23	mircea_popescu	this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering.
07:23	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?
07:23	MolokoDesk	fairly well.
07:24	MolokoDesk	deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.
07:24	mircea_popescu	didja implement the two things outstanding ?
07:24	MolokoDesk	switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.
07:25	mircea_popescu	how big are they ?
07:25	MolokoDesk	it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.
07:25	MolokoDesk	oh they're kind of long.
07:25	mircea_popescu	nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?
07:26	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?
07:26	MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/?FILTER=&FORM=x&SORT=0.5
07:26	assbot	DEEDS
07:27	MolokoDesk	gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.
07:27	MolokoDesk	the code is much smaller.
07:27	MolokoDesk	splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.
07:27	mircea_popescu	aha.
07:27	MolokoDesk	tracking is simpler.
07:27	mircea_popescu	well that's something.
07:27	MolokoDesk	it's just a lot easier and more predictable.
07:27	mircea_popescu	how often do you dld the db ?
07:28	MolokoDesk	side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.
07:28	MolokoDesk	assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.
07:28	mircea_popescu	well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.
07:29	MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.
07:29	MolokoDesk	y
07:30	mircea_popescu	well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.
07:30	Azelphur	speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?
07:30	mircea_popescu	ok, so what's outstanding here ?
07:30	mircea_popescu	Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.
07:30	assbot	The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
07:30	mircea_popescu	generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.
07:31	MolokoDesk	probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.
07:31	MolokoDesk	also it's not registered with gribble/WoT
07:31	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?
07:32	MolokoDesk	the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
07:32	punkman	hashing spec would be nice
07:32	RagnarDanneskjol	I'd like to see it in pyth asafp
07:32	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo
07:32	MolokoDesk	so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.
07:32	mircea_popescu	what is it now, all php ?
07:32	RagnarDanneskjol	yea
07:32	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
07:32	RagnarDanneskjol	I might ask Alz to give it a crack
07:32	MolokoDesk	the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
07:32	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)
07:32	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)
07:33	RagnarDanneskjol	I kno
07:33	MolokoDesk	I'm ok with writing it in python.
07:33	RagnarDanneskjol	hmm
07:33	mircea_popescu	Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.
07:33	assbot	#bitcoin-assets stats
07:33	Vexual	whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?
07:34	Azelphur	mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here
07:34	MolokoDesk	now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
07:34	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.
07:35	MolokoDesk	it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
07:35	mircea_popescu	talk to me.
		↖
07:35	mircea_popescu	(people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)
07:35	MolokoDesk	well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
07:35	mircea_popescu	uh. answer if something breaks.
07:36	MolokoDesk	I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
07:36	RagnarDanneskjol	whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance
07:36	mircea_popescu	from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing
07:36	Vexual	cant even sell a playstation
07:36	mircea_popescu	well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
07:36	MolokoDesk	if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.
07:36	mircea_popescu	but in general, if you're online, you're online.
07:36	MolokoDesk	there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
07:37	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.
07:37	mircea_popescu	it can't wait a week is all.
07:37	MolokoDesk	yeah, no rush on decisions about that.
07:37	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.
07:37	MolokoDesk	oh.
07:37	MolokoDesk	ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.
07:37	mircea_popescu	it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
07:37	mircea_popescu	exactly.
07:38	MolokoDesk	it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
07:38	mircea_popescu	honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.
07:38	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kf_RYVt2XQ
07:38	MolokoDesk	yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
07:39	MolokoDesk	running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
07:39	mircea_popescu	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7691289 "This could be huge in my opinion"
07:39	assbot	Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News
07:39	mircea_popescu	yeah it was huge. fucktards.
07:39	mircea_popescu	meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
07:40	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?
07:40	MolokoDesk	I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
07:40	kakobrekla	o look, 1.258
07:40	RagnarDanneskjol	molo - how secure is that wallet?
07:41	MolokoDesk	so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
07:41	MolokoDesk	it's replacable.
07:41	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.
07:41	MolokoDesk	just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
07:41	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ?
07:42	MolokoDesk	yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
07:42	MolokoDesk	it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
07:42	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni.
07:42	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/
07:42	MolokoDesk	the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.
07:42	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
07:42	MolokoDesk	none of that is fake-able.
07:43	mircea_popescu	;;rated MolokoDesk
07:43	gribble	You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk
07:43	MolokoDesk	ragnar was suggesting a faucet.
07:43	MolokoDesk	it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20
07:43	mircea_popescu	kay.
07:43	mircea_popescu	which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
07:44	MolokoDesk	however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
07:44	MolokoDesk	the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.
07:44	MolokoDesk	so it's not disclosed so far.
07:44	mircea_popescu	;;ident MolokoDesk
07:44	gribble	Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.
07:44	mircea_popescu	ident woudlja
07:44	MolokoDesk	ew.
07:45	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5v5CUf9Vc
07:46	MolokoDesk	laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.
07:46	punkman	gribble hiccup
07:46	MolokoDesk	other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth
07:47	mircea_popescu	fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
07:47	fluffypony	link?
07:47	Vexual	drink it all at once
07:47	mircea_popescu	fluffypony just looked at his forum profile
07:47	mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137510
07:47	assbot	View the profile of jimmothy
07:47	fluffypony	lame.
07:47	fluffypony	such investor.
07:48	fluffypony	much investment.
07:48	fluffypony	wow.
07:48	mircea_popescu	well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.
07:48	mircea_popescu	the place where airbnb is good :D
07:48	MolokoDesk	payments extension: what is that about?
07:48	Vexual	america?
07:49	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.
07:50	MolokoDesk	if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
07:51	MolokoDesk	or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.
07:51	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5
07:51	assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
07:51	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
07:51	MolokoDesk	I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
07:51	mircea_popescu	warn limit should prolly be 1 btc
07:51	MolokoDesk	if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk
07:52	MolokoDesk	.balance
07:52	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
07:52	MolokoDesk	there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
07:52	mircea_popescu	coolness.
07:52	mircea_popescu	!up deedBot
07:52	mircea_popescu	;;ident MolokoDesk
07:52	MolokoDesk	.calc 1/(0.00011 * 24)
07:52	gribble	Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None
07:52	deedBot	1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879
07:53	MolokoDesk	1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.
07:53	mircea_popescu	;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
07:53	gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
07:53	mircea_popescu	no wai
07:53	MolokoDesk	gribble is one cold dude.
07:54	RagnarDanneskjol	AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]
07:54	mircea_popescu	;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
07:54	gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.
07:54	MolokoDesk	it's revokable.
07:54	RagnarDanneskjol	\
07:54	RagnarDanneskjol	]
07:54	MolokoDesk	but it does seem a bit much.
07:54	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.
07:54	RagnarDanneskjol	oops
07:54	mircea_popescu	i am the avatar of splitting.
07:54	Vexual	oshit
07:54	RagnarDanneskjol	i kno, just sayin
07:55	mircea_popescu	;;google splitting psychology
07:55	gribble	Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)>; Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: <http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/10/28/splitting-as-psychological-term/>; Self-Deception II: Splitting | Psychology Today: <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/self-deception- (1 more message)
07:55	MolokoDesk	subjective recursion, self-commentary...
07:56	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU
07:56	MolokoDesk	we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
07:57	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?
07:57	RagnarDanneskjol	i dont think he follows
07:57	MolokoDesk	did I miss the spec?
07:57	punkman	it fails at unicode :P
07:57	RagnarDanneskjol	ugh
07:57	RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu
07:57	RagnarDanneskjol	MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5
07:57	assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
07:57	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
07:58	MolokoDesk	you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?
07:58	mircea_popescu	<mircea_popescu> MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5 <
07:58	assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
07:58	deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
07:58	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk no.
07:58	punkman	MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
07:58	MolokoDesk	ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?
07:59	punkman	check here towards bottom http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt
07:59	MolokoDesk	bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.
07:59	punkman	oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf
07:59	punkman	guess it works then
07:59	mircea_popescu	punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd
08:00	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g
08:00	MolokoDesk	yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
08:01	MolokoDesk	but the most expedient way to do it.
08:01	mircea_popescu	nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.
08:01	MolokoDesk	authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
08:01	mircea_popescu	use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.
08:01	mircea_popescu	webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.
08:01	MolokoDesk	like a small change drawer.
08:02	mircea_popescu	exactly.
08:02	MolokoDesk	if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.
08:02	mircea_popescu	you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want
08:02	mircea_popescu	so don't fuck up.
08:02	Vexual	bwahaha
08:02	MolokoDesk	heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.
08:03	mircea_popescu	well yes.
08:03	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q
08:03	MolokoDesk	ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
08:03	mircea_popescu	how old are you ?
08:04	MolokoDesk	I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
08:04	mircea_popescu	actually i haven't.
08:04	MolokoDesk	and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
08:04	RagnarDanneskjol	no
08:04	mircea_popescu	ugh. what ?!
08:04	RagnarDanneskjol	he does not
08:04	MolokoDesk	his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.
08:04	MolokoDesk	after being repeatedly informed of it.
08:04	mircea_popescu	how the fuck is it "his"
08:04	mircea_popescu	guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.
08:04	mircea_popescu	this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.
08:05	mircea_popescu	cause "it's their car"
08:05	bounce	what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.
08:05	MolokoDesk	yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
08:05	MolokoDesk	but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.
08:05	bounce	it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.
08:05	MolokoDesk	anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.
08:06	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.
08:06	Vexual	oshit
08:06	mircea_popescu	anyway. how old were you ?
08:06	MolokoDesk	apple-style evangelism, maybe.
08:06	mircea_popescu	bounce that it is.
08:07	MolokoDesk	usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.
08:08	MolokoDesk	anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
08:09	MolokoDesk	put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.
08:09	mircea_popescu	omfg is it like a secret or something!?
08:09	MolokoDesk	nuff said then.
08:09	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk how old are you dude!
08:09	MolokoDesk	over whatever.
08:09	mircea_popescu	more interested in the under part.
08:10	MolokoDesk	why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?
08:10	RagnarDanneskjol	he is older than us
08:10	MolokoDesk	yeah.
08:10	mircea_popescu	because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
08:10	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHKaslks2s'
08:10	mircea_popescu	and that depends on how old you are.
08:10	MolokoDesk	we can talk freely. no prob.
08:10	mircea_popescu	o.O
08:11	MolokoDesk	or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
08:11	mircea_popescu	mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.
08:11	mircea_popescu	jesus gotta make if-then clauses.
08:11	RagnarDanneskjol	aha
08:11	bounce	you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.
08:12	MolokoDesk	superposition.
08:12	mircea_popescu	bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.
08:12	MolokoDesk	I can find out what I need to know.
08:12	*	bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.
08:12	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
08:12	MolokoDesk	it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.
08:12	mircea_popescu	right.
08:13	MolokoDesk	yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
08:13	mircea_popescu	well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D
08:13	MolokoDesk	I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
08:13	mircea_popescu	bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance
08:14	mircea_popescu	and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.
08:14	MolokoDesk	as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.
08:14	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.
08:14	MolokoDesk	for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
08:14	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGbNFFqxS4
08:14	mircea_popescu	get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.
08:15	bounce	this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.
08:15	mircea_popescu	don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc
08:15	mircea_popescu	you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.
08:15	MolokoDesk	well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
08:16	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.
08:16	bounce	heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"
08:16	mircea_popescu	wait what are you talking about !?
08:16	mircea_popescu	is this >9k sarcasm ?
08:17	bounce	well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
08:17	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRz4jJ7K1fA
08:17	mircea_popescu	"too much"!
08:17	bounce	so much for "leveraging the synergy"
08:19	mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats
08:19	gribble	Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044
08:19	mircea_popescu	whoa
08:19	mircea_popescu	holy shit ?!
08:19	mircea_popescu	it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?
08:19	mircea_popescu	fucking bitch.
08:24	MolokoDesk	just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.
08:24	MolokoDesk	coin-like substance, play money.
08:24	RagnarDanneskjol	MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan
08:24	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk what channel is that ?
08:25	RagnarDanneskjol	private
08:25	mircea_popescu	orly ?
08:25	RagnarDanneskjol	not really, just where testing bot
08:25	RagnarDanneskjol	#cex-squawk
08:27	RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot
08:27	RagnarDanneskjol	.dump
08:27	deedBot	time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431
08:27	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
08:27	deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
08:30	deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
08:30	deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
08:30	deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
08:30	RagnarDanneskjol	OH- it doesnt reply pm now
		~ 15 minutes ~
08:46	jurov	RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore
08:46	jurov	hence no titles
08:47	RagnarDanneskjol	ahhh. interesting
08:47	MolokoDesk	.dump
08:47	deedBot	time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635
08:47	deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
08:47	deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
08:47	MolokoDesk	!up deedbot
08:49	MolokoDesk	ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
08:49	MolokoDesk	random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.
08:49	MolokoDesk	they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.
08:49	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.
08:49	MolokoDesk	ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?
08:50	mircea_popescu	nope.
08:50	MolokoDesk	hmn.
08:50	MolokoDesk	how do you know who pays into an account?
08:50	MolokoDesk	I can figure that out.
08:50	MolokoDesk	nevermind.
08:50	kakobrekla	<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.
08:50	mircea_popescu	Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <
08:51	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!
08:51	MolokoDesk	right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.
08:51	MolokoDesk	it has to come from a wallet.
08:51	mircea_popescu	yes.
08:51	mircea_popescu	so ?
08:51	MolokoDesk	so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.
08:51	MolokoDesk	whose wallet was it?
08:51	mircea_popescu	~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~
08:51	mircea_popescu	.deposit
08:51	MolokoDesk	so they just say "that wallet was mine"?
08:51	mircea_popescu	Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944
08:52	mircea_popescu	then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.
08:52	MolokoDesk	ohyeah, Igot it that first line.
08:52	mircea_popescu	so then what's the problem ?
08:52	MolokoDesk	they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
08:52	MolokoDesk	in private message.
08:52	mircea_popescu	nope.
08:52	MolokoDesk	like initial bank handhsaking.
08:53	mircea_popescu	no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
08:53	MolokoDesk	I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
08:53	kakobrekla	;;seen mike_c
08:53	gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
08:53	mircea_popescu	one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.
08:53	mircea_popescu	people can use it whatever way they please.
08:54	MolokoDesk	"oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
08:54	mircea_popescu	and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.
08:54	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk who's to know ?
08:54	mircea_popescu	maybe someone wants to donate to them.
08:54	MolokoDesk	yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.
08:55	mircea_popescu	hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.
08:55	MolokoDesk	ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.
08:56	mircea_popescu	yup
08:56	mircea_popescu	all ingredients for a secure system are there.
08:56	MolokoDesk	uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?
08:56	mircea_popescu	they don't choise it.
08:56	mircea_popescu	bot choses it.
08:56	MolokoDesk	amount would also have to math.
08:56	MolokoDesk	match.
08:57	MolokoDesk	ok.
08:57	mircea_popescu	what amount dood.
08:57	MolokoDesk	there are only 10000 of those.
08:57	mircea_popescu	yeah well, we won't have 10k users.
08:57	MolokoDesk	I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"
08:57	mircea_popescu	ah. yeah.
08:57	MolokoDesk	10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
08:58	mircea_popescu	yeah.
08:58	mircea_popescu	and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
08:58	MolokoDesk	I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.
08:58	RagnarDanneskjol	same as usual
08:58	MolokoDesk	what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?
08:59	RagnarDanneskjol	dense, not lack of sleep
08:59	mircea_popescu	i dunno, coupla btc ?
08:59	bounce	you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything
08:59	mircea_popescu	bounce true.
08:59	mircea_popescu	easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.
09:00	mircea_popescu	if you don't get it, bitch.
09:01	mircea_popescu	bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.
09:02	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
09:02	bounce	then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses
09:02	mircea_popescu	increment by one if person wasn't seen before.
09:02	mircea_popescu	bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
09:04	nanotube	mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.
09:04	mircea_popescu	nanotube got it.
09:04	bounce	now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
09:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]
09:05	bounce	s/key/payment address/
09:05	bounce	s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)
09:06	punkman	btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article
09:06	bounce	sounds like easy money.
09:07	mircea_popescu	punkman like hell they do.
09:07	mircea_popescu	$90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.
09:08	mircea_popescu	(easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)
09:10	bounce	ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.
09:13	mircea_popescu	bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.
09:13	mircea_popescu	smart move.
09:15	bounce	only after icahn badgered them to do it for months
09:16	mircea_popescu	yeah well would you listen to icahn /
09:17	bounce	of course not. even so.
09:17	mircea_popescu	!up eth2
09:18	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist.
09:18	kakobrekla	is it ready
09:18	RagnarDanneskjol	no - need to sort out who registers/owns it
09:19	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what.
09:20	RagnarDanneskjol	uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
09:20	mircea_popescu	giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.
09:20	RagnarDanneskjol	right
09:20	mircea_popescu	nickserv id is enough really.
09:20	bounce	for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok
09:21	mircea_popescu	and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.
09:21	mircea_popescu	i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?
09:22	RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot
09:22	teward	mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace
09:22	mircea_popescu	teward i was thinking of making a group reg.
09:23	teward	mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed
09:23	teward	mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues
09:23	mircea_popescu	o they don't do that anymore ?
09:23	teward	(#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)
09:23	mircea_popescu	teward it can just be b-a, or w/e.
09:23	teward	mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues
09:23	mircea_popescu	you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.
09:23	bounce	"#assets"
09:24	mircea_popescu	"freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"
09:24	mircea_popescu	fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"
09:24	bounce	so. freenode2?
09:25	mircea_popescu	bounce eventually. seems unavoidable.
09:25	mircea_popescu	sadly.
09:26	bounce	needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started
09:26	mircea_popescu	myeah.
09:26	mircea_popescu	anyway. 2015's problems.
09:27	RagnarDanneskjol	https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/
09:27	assbot	Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War | Public Intelligence
09:27	deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/45b0f698f86ff1a0686936db193a49aa5474dd705ed594087731d1f4fb68c93a-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
09:27	mircea_popescu	doh.
09:29	kakobrekla	you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing
09:29	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes actually.
09:29	mircea_popescu	deeds.b ?
09:30	jurov	<Vexual> ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol
09:30	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)
09:31	kakobrekla	we can do that
09:32	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.
09:36	mircea_popescu	an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
09:36	mats_cd03	;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know
09:36	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:36	mircea_popescu	only him ?
09:37	RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email
09:37	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ?
09:37	mircea_popescu	;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
09:37	gribble	The operation succeeded.
09:37	RagnarDanneskjol	correct
09:38	RagnarDanneskjol	still - he'll prolly miss it
09:38	mircea_popescu	well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :)
09:38	mats_cd03	well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.
09:38	mircea_popescu	how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway
09:38	punkman	turns out deedbot burns the coins
09:38	RagnarDanneskjol	old dogs
09:39	mircea_popescu	punkman hm ?
09:39	RagnarDanneskjol	not literally 'burnt'
09:40	mircea_popescu	punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes.
09:40	punkman	mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated
09:40	mircea_popescu	why not ?!
09:41	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
09:42	punkman	mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address
09:42	mircea_popescu	punkman explain like im five.
09:43	punkman	it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one
09:43	punkman	(by random I mean based on the bundle hash)
09:44	mircea_popescu	uh.
09:44	mircea_popescu	mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it.
09:46	RagnarDanneskjol	we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses
09:46	mircea_popescu	link me ?
09:46	RagnarDanneskjol	will try - so many, getting cross eyed
09:47	mircea_popescu	anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
09:47	mircea_popescu	aaand i'll bbl.
09:55	bounce	of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.
09:56	punkman	over 9 billion
09:56	MolokoDesk	(we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
09:56	MolokoDesk	open source for a lark.)
09:58	MolokoDesk	(let me know what's up.)
09:58	mats_cd03	fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
09:58	bounce	depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.
09:59	mats_cd03	so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.
09:59	MolokoDesk	(oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)
10:04	dub	aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
10:05	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.
10:05	*	dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong
10:05	mircea_popescu	as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.
10:06	mircea_popescu	obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#851612
10:06	assbot	Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.
10:06	mircea_popescu	and it's still there.
10:06	mircea_popescu	s/queue/cue
10:07	mircea_popescu	dub who do you mean, saffron ?
10:07	mircea_popescu	people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.
10:07	dub	i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
10:08	RagnarDanneskjol	one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate
10:08	assbot	Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.
10:08	mircea_popescu	dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.
10:09	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.
10:09	mircea_popescu	and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.
10:09	mircea_popescu	dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary.
10:10	RagnarDanneskjol	I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses
10:10	bounce	on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?
10:10	mircea_popescu	bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.
10:10	mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!
10:10	RagnarDanneskjol	because it does
10:10	MolokoDesk	ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
10:10	mircea_popescu	i dun follow.
10:11	MolokoDesk	However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.
10:11	bounce	cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"
10:11	mircea_popescu	bounce but why
10:11	MolokoDesk	I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.
10:11	bounce	for the blogposts. what else?
10:11	MolokoDesk	you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.
10:12	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.
10:12	dub	mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person
10:12	mircea_popescu	dub moiety and saffron ?!
10:12	bounce	anyway, just wondering really
10:12	dub	or, idk im out of the loop
10:12	mircea_popescu	why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.
10:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4}
10:12	mircea_popescu	this anonimity.
10:13	bounce	a secret wish for a simpler world
10:13	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.
10:13	dub	its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one
10:13	mircea_popescu	moiety is actually cute iirc.
10:14	MolokoDesk	ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.
10:14	mircea_popescu	heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?
10:14	mircea_popescu	what if ugly women are also stupid ?
10:14	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk go ahead.
10:15	MolokoDesk	can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?
10:15	RagnarDanneskjol	no
10:15	mircea_popescu	doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ?
10:15	MolokoDesk	writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.
10:16	mircea_popescu	that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified.
10:16	MolokoDesk	ok. think of it as a retainer.
10:16	mircea_popescu	derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.
10:16	MolokoDesk	or for whom you do it.
10:16	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,
10:17	MolokoDesk	ok.
10:17	mircea_popescu	which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.
10:18	MolokoDesk	linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.
10:18	mircea_popescu	<MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.
10:18	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk quite exactly.
10:18	MolokoDesk	there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.
10:18	mircea_popescu	!up ivok
10:19	MolokoDesk	ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.
10:19	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.
10:19	MolokoDesk	well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.
10:19	bounce	http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/09/telekom-stellt-kunden-datenubertragung.html
10:19	assbot	Der Postillon: Telekom stellt Kunden Datenbertragung an die NSA in Rechnung
10:19	mircea_popescu	not sure what you mean ?
10:20	dub	bounce: lol awesome
10:20	MolokoDesk	if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.
10:21	MolokoDesk	right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.
10:21	RagnarDanneskjol	not really
10:21	mircea_popescu	bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!
10:21	MolokoDesk	there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.
10:21	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.
10:22	mircea_popescu	it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.
10:22	bounce	check their home page
10:22	MolokoDesk	is it trying to survive though?
10:22	mircea_popescu	bounce o like an onion ?
10:22	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".
10:22	mircea_popescu	it's not optional.
10:22	bounce	sort-of, yes
10:22	MolokoDesk	well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.
10:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.00075304 = 16.1745 BTC [+] {2}
10:23	MolokoDesk	he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.
10:23	mircea_popescu	yeah but various implications flow from there.
10:23	mircea_popescu	major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena.
10:23	kakobrekla	sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds
10:23	mircea_popescu	the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin
10:23	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah lol
10:24	kakobrekla	sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.
10:24	dub	thats actually not far from reality
10:24	MolokoDesk	there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
10:24	mircea_popescu	anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
10:25	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.
10:25	MolokoDesk	ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.
10:25	mircea_popescu	it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.
10:25	mircea_popescu	the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.
10:25	dub	one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur
10:25	MolokoDesk	well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.
10:26	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.
10:26	MolokoDesk	something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.
10:26	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 < that.
10:26	assbot	Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
10:27	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded
10:27	mircea_popescu	i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.
10:27	MolokoDesk	ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.
10:27	RagnarDanneskjol	ugh
10:28	MolokoDesk	economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
10:28	mircea_popescu	surely.
10:28	mircea_popescu	but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"
10:31	chetty	<dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that
10:32	mircea_popescu	chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,
10:32	mircea_popescu	or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride
10:32	mircea_popescu	i mean sulfide whatever.
10:33	mircea_popescu	i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.
10:33	mircea_popescu	the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey
10:33	bounce	sulphur credits?
10:33	bounce	let's lobby the UN!
10:33	thestringpuller	But you're friendly mircea_popescu
10:33	mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU << him
10:33	assbot	Ape With AK-47 - YouTube
10:33	MolokoDesk	I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
10:34	thestringpuller	you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs
10:34	dub	chetty: indeed
10:34	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ?
10:34	bounce	internet-of-things mirror
10:34	dub	sa
10:35	thestringpuller	oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums
10:35	thestringpuller	who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?
10:35	mircea_popescu	bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.
10:35	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller an asshole ?
10:36	mircea_popescu	or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.
10:36	mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.
10:37	mircea_popescu	first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
10:38	mircea_popescu	which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.
10:38	bounce	one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about
10:39	asciilifeform	malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap.
10:39	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.
10:39	bounce	wtf is this watershed management model thing?
10:39	mircea_popescu	and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture
10:40	asciilifeform	sure.
10:40	mircea_popescu	which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
10:41	asciilifeform	point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass.
10:41	mircea_popescu	sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious
10:42	mircea_popescu	and most people can't be bothered to learn math.
10:42	asciilifeform	teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy.
10:42	bounce	disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
10:42	mircea_popescu	sure. but those don't matter anyway.
10:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.
10:43	bounce	cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility
10:43	mircea_popescu	the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.
10:43	asciilifeform	both are essentials of machine
10:44	asciilifeform	what is one, without other.
10:44	mircea_popescu	bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.
10:44	mircea_popescu	this is an extremely difficult proposition.
10:44	mircea_popescu	hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.
10:44	bounce	without conscience there's no cost
10:44	mircea_popescu	no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.
10:45	mircea_popescu	the name for it you're familiar with, anyway.
10:45	bounce	not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.
10:45	mircea_popescu	to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.
10:46	mircea_popescu	if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.
10:46	mircea_popescu	this is actually false.
10:46	mircea_popescu	think about it : they DO end up back in, right ?
10:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075219 = 17.5636 BTC [-]
10:46	mircea_popescu	they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?
10:46	mircea_popescu	well then...
10:46	bounce	most of the time not of their own volition.
10:47	mircea_popescu	heh.
10:47	mircea_popescu	so then they are burdened.
10:47	mircea_popescu	not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.
10:48	bounce	then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.
10:48	mircea_popescu	not at all.
10:48	mircea_popescu	they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit
10:48	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.
10:48	mircea_popescu	which is how they get caught. because the code is broken
10:48	mircea_popescu	and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.
10:48	thestringpuller	A truly selfless act.
10:48	mircea_popescu	of any kind.
10:49	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough.
10:50	bounce	uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost
10:50	mircea_popescu	not at all.
10:50	mircea_popescu	the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way
10:50	mircea_popescu	and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way.
10:50	mircea_popescu	and still have the rest of the code work.
10:51	mircea_popescu	let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.
10:51	bounce	aight
10:51	mircea_popescu	suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions
10:51	mircea_popescu	rightthing() and wrongthing()
10:52	mircea_popescu	cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.
10:52	mircea_popescu	body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver
10:52	thestringpuller	glycogen*
10:52	thestringpuller	(sorry)
10:52	mircea_popescu	person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job.
10:53	mircea_popescu	now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.
10:53	mircea_popescu	but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.
10:53	thestringpuller	wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no?
10:53	mircea_popescu	brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.
10:53	thestringpuller	what if stealing is the persons job?
10:53	mircea_popescu	how's one to know
10:54	thestringpuller	i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?
10:54	mircea_popescu	arguably.
10:54	mircea_popescu	which is why this is so damned expensive.
10:55	mircea_popescu	but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.
10:56	mircea_popescu	should take care of about a year's worth of your time.
10:56	thestringpuller	or a year of a computer's time?
10:56	mircea_popescu	at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data.
10:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22694 @ 0.00075144 = 17.0532 BTC [-]
10:57	thestringpuller	;;ticker
10:57	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 380.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 380.0, 24 hour volume: 14599.26597529, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.557080625
10:58	bounce	it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative
10:58	mircea_popescu	anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.
10:59	mircea_popescu	bounce i don't follow the logic there.
10:59	bounce	.oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )
10:59	mircea_popescu	im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.
10:59	mircea_popescu	ok. so ?
11:00	bounce	there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive
11:01	mircea_popescu	not a good rendition of the analogy tho.
11:01	bounce	(there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)
11:01	mircea_popescu	let's approach this with different instrumentation.
11:02	mircea_popescu	where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
11:02	bounce	surplus in what sense?
11:02	mircea_popescu	any sense.
11:02	mircea_popescu	some sort of resource.
11:03	kakobrekla	urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area
11:03	mircea_popescu	uh. a hole is not a resource.
11:03	bounce	well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas
11:04	mircea_popescu	bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ?
11:04	mircea_popescu	if i show you two people that's all you know about em.
11:04	kakobrekla	can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.
11:04	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.
11:04	kakobrekla	thats where the human fish lives.
11:05	kakobrekla	(aka Proteus anguinus)
11:05	mircea_popescu	bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.
11:05	mircea_popescu	back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.
11:05	bounce	there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.
11:06	mircea_popescu	aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?
11:06	mircea_popescu	peasants can't afford to be assholes.
11:06	bounce	well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city
11:07	mircea_popescu	the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.
11:07	mircea_popescu	bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.
11:07	mircea_popescu	;;seen klye
11:07	gribble	klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <KLYE> Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
11:08	mircea_popescu	and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.
11:08	thickasthieves	all stress is an expense
11:09	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves quite.
11:09	mircea_popescu	and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.
11:09	mircea_popescu	same principle.
11:09	bounce	though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people
11:09	thickasthieves	<+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too
11:09	mircea_popescu	bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.
11:09	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ?
11:10	*	bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv
11:10	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wow i had no idea.
11:10	mircea_popescu	salamanders apparently.
11:10	thickasthieves	define rich
11:11	mircea_popescu	uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.
11:12	thickasthieves	without restraints, might be my definition
11:12	thickasthieves	freedom
11:12	bounce	though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight
11:13	thickasthieves	when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior
11:13	mircea_popescu	bounce right back to the routers example :)
11:13	bounce	does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.
11:13	mircea_popescu	exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.
11:13	bounce	practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.
11:13	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves or just as well could not
11:13	thickasthieves	it's very expensive
11:13	thickasthieves	imo
11:14	thickasthieves	sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things
11:14	mircea_popescu	i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.
11:14	mircea_popescu	btw.
11:14	mircea_popescu	;;google other people's lives
11:14	gribble	Other People's Lives (2011) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1924339/>; The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/>; MODEST MOUSE LYRICS - Other People's Lives - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/modestmouse/otherpeopleslives.html>
11:14	thickasthieves	the only real currency we have is time
11:14	mircea_popescu	totally the illustration for this.
11:15	mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ < that one.
11:15	assbot	The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb
11:16	thickasthieves	telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is
11:16	mircea_popescu	uh. that's nonsense.
11:16	mircea_popescu	how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~
11:16	thickasthieves	go fuck yourself
11:16	mircea_popescu	no u.
11:17	thickasthieves	such battle!
11:17	bounce	go on, you know you wanna
11:17	assbot	Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Z82DJ3.txt )
11:17	thickasthieves	!b 7
11:18	mircea_popescu	fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.
11:18	mircea_popescu	(geddit ? cracked hah hah)
11:18	thickasthieves	lol
11:19	bounce	quick, cracked on reddit
11:19	bounce	geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit
11:19	mircea_popescu	reddit has jokes now ?!
11:19	mircea_popescu	"knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"
11:25	mats_cd03	gag
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11:40	chetty	http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/29/florida-woman-arrested-possession-spaghettios/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
11:40	assbot	Woman Arrested for Possession of SpaghettiOs?
11:45	bounce	wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason
11:45	chetty	the fear of it is a lot bigger problem
11:46	chetty	per trilema latest article ...insecurity
11:46	thickasthieves	chill factor
11:47	thickasthieves	now i cant feel safe with utensils in car
11:48	bounce	the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.
11:48	mircea_popescu	bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.
11:48	mircea_popescu	it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.
11:48	mircea_popescu	so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?
11:49	thickasthieves	music industry death by spoon
11:49	mircea_popescu	it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.
11:50	mircea_popescu	were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.
11:50	mircea_popescu	but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.
11:50	mircea_popescu	which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
11:51	chetty	(we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
11:52	mircea_popescu	lol
11:53	mircea_popescu	bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
11:54	mircea_popescu	for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
11:55	mircea_popescu	the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.
12:01	bounce	well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
12:01	mircea_popescu	nope.
12:02	mircea_popescu	the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified
12:02	bounce	or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"
12:04	bounce	so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
12:04	chetty	accounting, also know as legerdemain
12:05	bounce	could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be
12:05	mircea_popescu	well of course we can put some numbers on this.
12:05	mircea_popescu	4.
12:06	mircea_popescu	or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.
12:07	mircea_popescu	suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.
12:07	bounce	doesn't say what the bond was set at
12:07	chetty	42
12:07	bounce	4 is random enough for me, thanks
12:22	thickasthieves	silver and gold are hurtin
12:28	mats_cd03	i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
12:29	*	mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon
12:29	Dimsler	http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-014/
12:29	assbot	Most-Popular-Baby-Names-for-Girls-in-the-USA-014 | FunCage
12:29	Dimsler	http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/
12:29	assbot	Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos)
12:30	Dimsler	looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys
12:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00075111 = 10.6658 BTC [-]
12:38	mats_cd03	my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.
12:38	mircea_popescu	ashely ? prolly.
12:39	Dimsler	probably a whitey then
12:39	mats_cd03	and somewhat tangentially, http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/2000surnames/surnames.pdf
12:39	mats_cd03	>> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
12:39	thickasthieves	never met a person with any of those
12:39	Dimsler	well huff might be some form of bastardization
12:39	thickasthieves	:)
12:40	Dimsler	could have been huffington
12:40	thickasthieves	yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations
12:41	mats_cd03	i have met people with all of those surnames
12:42	Dimsler	lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew
12:46	mats_cd03	being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
12:46	mats_cd03	oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.
12:48	bounce	that really doesn't make sense
12:49	mats_cd03	my reality is warped
12:50	bounce	rode to school in the warped bus, eh
12:50	chetty	hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.
12:51	mike_c	;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
12:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
12:52	mike_c	kakobrekla: ping.
12:52	mike_c	and for the record, moving sucks.
12:53	kakobrekla	even if its just the servers.
13:00	bounce	on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
13:00	mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
13:01	mircea_popescu	bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
13:02	bounce	o_O?
13:02	bounce	yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?
13:03	mircea_popescu	maybe hilary runs
13:03	mircea_popescu	or who knows.
13:03	bounce	michele vs. hillary
13:03	mircea_popescu	maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
13:03	mircea_popescu	"national unity"
13:04	bounce	won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.
13:05	bounce	and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
13:05	mircea_popescu	depends where the angle is.
13:05	mircea_popescu	usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
13:06	mircea_popescu	so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
13:06	mircea_popescu	(first only in the us sense of that term, of course)
13:06	bounce	(which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
13:07	mircea_popescu	you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron
13:07	mircea_popescu	nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
13:07	mircea_popescu	all her.
13:15	asciilifeform	single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.
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13:49	punkman	http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0HL1ZV20140926?irpc=932
13:49	assbot	Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists
13:50	bounce	let'em go and never let'em return
13:51	punkman	lulzy https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/27/heroin-takes-life-flagship-campus-umass-did-university-enough/KeUcRPH2VyQWmI0lhii01K/story.html
13:51	assbot	UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe
13:57	punkman	http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/80048
13:57	assbot	NME News Label to allow retroactive product placement in music videos | NME.COM
13:59	punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byv5uWSIIAEf38C.jpg
14:05	punkman	"nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
14:06	punkman	http://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/2022Report.pdf
14:07	punkman	http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/sep/19/france-army-of-grape-pickers-harvest-in-pictures
14:07	assbot	Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian
14:16	punkman	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/29/the-hot-new-consent-app-good2go-is-logging-the-name-and-phone-number-of-everyone-you-have-sex-with/
14:16	assbot	The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
14:23	punkman	https://twitter.com/fonebtc/status/516556693950713856
14:23	assbot	/bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.
14:29	punkman	check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro
14:29	assbot	Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube
14:36	hanbot	punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising
14:37	hanbot	let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
14:38	hanbot	all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
14:45	punkman	http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/can-someone-just-invent-an-i-consent-to
14:45	assbot	Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
14:45	punkman	"The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
14:46	punkman	I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
14:47	bounce	"help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.
14:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]
14:52	punkman	bounce, perfect
14:56	hanbot	lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.
15:00	asciilifeform	the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.
15:01	asciilifeform	unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.
15:03	asciilifeform	there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
15:07	mats_cd03	not just usa. ask mr. assange
15:07	dignork	punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
15:08	dignork	doesn't scale to group sex though
15:08	asciilifeform	'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.
15:11	hanbot	asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
15:12	asciilifeform	hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck
15:12	asciilifeform	hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.
15:13	bounce	so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
15:14	asciilifeform	bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.
15:15	asciilifeform	(if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)
15:16	hanbot	why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?
15:17	asciilifeform	basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
15:17	asciilifeform	' connections)
15:19	asciilifeform	problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.
15:21	asciilifeform	-- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.
15:21	hanbot	never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
15:21	thickasthieves	;;ticker
15:21	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746
15:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+]
15:22	punkman	from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave
15:22	asciilifeform	folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.
15:24	asciilifeform	punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
15:24	hanbot	<asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.
15:26	asciilifeform	most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.
15:31	hanbot	food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.
15:31	asciilifeform	hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?
15:34	asciilifeform	hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
15:34	hanbot	well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
15:35	asciilifeform	hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.
15:40	hanbot	in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
15:41	hanbot	kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
15:42	asciilifeform	hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se
15:43	asciilifeform	hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)
15:45	hanbot	eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
15:46	hanbot	and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
15:46	asciilifeform	hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
15:48	hanbot	hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?
15:48	asciilifeform	hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.
15:49	asciilifeform	hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.
15:49	asciilifeform	hanbot: so you stay in.
15:49	asciilifeform	hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.
15:49	punkman	so it's a rationalizing calculation :P
15:51	asciilifeform	punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?
15:51	hanbot	well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
15:53	punkman	asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
15:54	asciilifeform	hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.
15:56	asciilifeform	i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.
15:56	bounce	thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume
15:57	asciilifeform	happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.
15:58	bounce	the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
15:58	bounce	apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
15:59	asciilifeform	the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
15:59	hanbot	asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
16:00	hanbot	which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?
16:00	BingoBoingo	;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon
16:00	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:01	hanbot	soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual
16:01	bounce	the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.
16:02	asciilifeform	hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th
16:04	xanthyos	;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.
16:04	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:04	hanbot	ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
16:05	asciilifeform	hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'
16:05	asciilifeform	hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
16:05	hanbot	yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
16:06	danielpbarron	xanthyos, lol did he really?
16:06	xanthyos	omg danielpbarron is speaking to me
16:07	xanthyos	no, it's a joke that he might
16:07	xanthyos	and only then be able to receive the msg
16:10	xanthyos	someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
16:11	danielpbarron	i don't think the price will go much lower than 380
16:11	xanthyos	i do, but i'm going long term
16:11	xanthyos	i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in
16:13	danielpbarron	you should bet on this then http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/bitcoin-to-drop-under-350-before-november/
16:13	assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 3 days | weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1)
16:13	xanthyos	haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
16:13	danielpbarron	hah!
16:13	xanthyos	basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
16:14	hanbot	asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!
16:14	BingoBoingo	%t
16:14	atcbot	No data returned from X-BT.com
16:14	asciilifeform	hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
16:14	xanthyos	so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
16:14	xanthyos	jsut a theory
16:14	danielpbarron	p.good theory
16:15	asciilifeform	hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.
16:16	asciilifeform	hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.
16:16	danielpbarron	i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath
16:17	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.
16:17	*	danielpbarron nods
16:18	*	hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
16:18	asciilifeform	hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.
16:19	*	bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
16:20	mod6	%t
16:20	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
16:23	asciilifeform	perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.
16:25	mats_cd03	so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
16:25	xanthyos	!up bagels7
16:25	hanbot	so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?
16:25	asciilifeform	mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
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16:27	asciilifeform	hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.
16:29	xanthyos	http://gyazo.com/fa0f791df6b69f90519a710446b1a903 << neat software
16:29	thickasthieves	limits are liberating
16:30	thickasthieves	if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
16:30	thickasthieves	context
16:30	asciilifeform	thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ?
16:30	hanbot	asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
16:31	thickasthieves	i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure
16:31	asciilifeform	!s cheetah zoo
16:31	assbot	3 results for 'cheetah zoo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheetah+zoo
16:31	thickasthieves	the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
16:32	thickasthieves	so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating
16:32	asciilifeform	for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.
16:33	thickasthieves	we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach
16:33	xanthyos	http://gyazo.com/1508630f72c79ffef7537fbe53afcb1f
16:33	hanbot	godspeed freedom cheetah
16:34	asciilifeform	cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.
16:35	asciilifeform	notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.
16:35	thickasthieves	some cheetahs are used for gene diversification
16:36	thickasthieves	notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice
16:36	asciilifeform	thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?
16:36	thickasthieves	in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
16:37	hanbot	did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
16:38	asciilifeform	steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.
16:42	hanbot	eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
16:43	bounce	just dying isn't really allowed, no
16:43	asciilifeform	fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.
16:48	BingoBoingo	mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
16:50	BingoBoingo	%t
16:50	atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
17:04	mircea_popescu	holy shit logs.
17:04	mircea_popescu	well, brb, i need a drink
17:05	nubbins`	mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/031PbFll.jpg
17:05	nubbins`	a wild poster appeared ;0
17:05	RagnarDanneskjol	awesome... needs bigger
17:05	nubbins`	to be fair, that's an unusually large pole
17:06	nubbins`	this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
17:06	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S5RMT3.txt )
17:06	thickasthieves	!b 3
17:06	nubbins`	hmmmm...
17:06	RagnarDanneskjol	ahahah
17:06	bounce	where is this? they have underground buses!
17:06	nubbins`	yeah, okay, +1
17:07	nubbins`	bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)
17:07	mircea_popescu	nubbins` o.O
17:07	nubbins`	looks a bit lonely, hey
17:07	BingoBoingo	http://www.cnbc.com/id/102037055
17:08	nubbins`	BingoBoingo: "BREAKING NEWS: Ebola stocks surge"
17:08	BingoBoingo	Amazing Hemorage!!!
17:08	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
17:09	nubbins`	you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
17:09	nubbins`	C- would not pay again
17:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.
17:12	nubbins`	fair enough
17:14	nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/C1yubIf.png
17:16	mircea_popescu	punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.
17:16	BingoBoingo	%v
17:16	atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191
17:16	mircea_popescu	o look, nubbins`! faeries!
17:16	nubbins`	just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match
17:17	nubbins`	now you gotta have a cell phone contract if you wanna play!
17:17	mircea_popescu	don't be the person that you came with!
17:18	BingoBoingo	lol comments thx Microsoft >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/the-next-version-of-windows-will-be-windows-10/?comments=1
17:18	assbot	The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica
17:18	mircea_popescu	hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
17:19	nubbins`	man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
17:19	mircea_popescu	punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
17:19	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's in a book.
17:19	nubbins`	too many words, it turns out
17:20	mircea_popescu	hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?
17:20	mircea_popescu	free rent all glass front apts ?
17:20	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
17:20	bounce	shoulda patented it
17:20	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
17:20	mircea_popescu	bounce i patited it.
17:21	nubbins`	BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
17:21	BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Prolly 6.4
17:21	mircea_popescu	mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
17:22	mircea_popescu	!up test___
17:22	nubbins`	heaven forbid they commit one way or the other
17:22	mircea_popescu	that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.
17:22	test___	Hi. Just checking out this channel.
17:22	mircea_popescu	that's why their failure to do so collapsed the whole thing.
17:22	nubbins`	hi test___
17:22	mircea_popescu	test___ so who're you ?
17:22	test___	Me. ;)
17:22	mircea_popescu	"when one peers into the void, the void peers right back"
17:23	nubbins`	BingoBoingo one guy: "Windows X.11 for workgroups"
17:23	nubbins`	lel
17:23	nubbins`	few jokes in there
17:23	bounce	not quite the void, but lots of peering
17:23	mircea_popescu	dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though <<< course it does.
17:23	nubbins`	everything scales to group sex
17:24	mircea_popescu	nubbins` doesn't nubbins sound like he just got some.
17:24	bounce	windows for groupsex? o_O?
17:25	nubbins`	mircea_popescu i'm in my prime, i generally sound like that 8)
17:25	test___	*everything scales to group sex* Will keep an eye to this channel to confirm that!
17:25	BingoBoingo	test___: Generally that's the topic
17:26	nubbins`	wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(
17:26	mircea_popescu	huh ?
17:26	nubbins`	funnier if you say it out loud
17:26	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Microsoft's next release is XWindows
17:26	mircea_popescu	awww no windex ?
17:27	BingoBoingo	No, Proctor and Gamble make Windex
17:27	BingoBoingo	In their artisan chemistry shop
17:27	nubbins`	http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kr_MrsKj6nI/TsoreDJ9IyI/AAAAAAAAACQ/p1XBSIZAnQc/s1600/26686aa.png
17:27	dignork	mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys
17:27	mircea_popescu	you suppose naming your kid gamble is likely to give him a head start in lif ?
17:28	nubbins`	better than proctor
17:28	BingoBoingo	I might name a kid gamble nao.
17:29	mircea_popescu	best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names
17:29	BingoBoingo	I just like how XWindows was annouced the day ebola was annouced in the US
17:29	mircea_popescu	then when the kids turn 14 or w/e...
17:29	bounce	why'd he bother? they're his anyhow.
17:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names << Isn't this why you commishun'd Deedsbot?
17:29	mircea_popescu	maybe he's impotent and jealous on all the other priests ?
17:30	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol right.
17:30	mircea_popescu	because people who have sigs really need names.
17:31	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> because people who have sigs really need names << Not to register people's names, but subjects names
17:31	mircea_popescu	shit i put vinegar on my shirt ;/
17:32	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. << subtle difference between cccp and warsaw pact.
17:32	mircea_popescu	bout the same relationship between us and the swedish government say.
17:33	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!
17:36	BingoBoingo	Why not Brooklyn, Illinois?
17:36	mircea_popescu	hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.
17:36	BingoBoingo	;;google "Brooklyn, Illinois"
17:36	gribble	Brooklyn, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn,_Illinois>; Brooklyn, Illinois Archaeology Project: <http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/brooklyn/>; PTs Brooklyn - Brooklyn, IL | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/pts-brooklyn-brooklyn>
17:36	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo never been to that one.
17:37	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Pretty much nothing but strip clubs, fun town.
17:37	mircea_popescu	twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.
17:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. <<< dude get out, people live everywhere people live.
17:41	mircea_popescu	xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something
17:41	mircea_popescu	especially a gambling something.
17:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.
17:42	mircea_popescu	i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans.
17:44	mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.
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18:13	xanthyos	http://gyazo.com/33b38303136a45f3069e5f1b5138a077
18:14	mircea_popescu	google ads : Don’t Pay a Prostitute - Meet a Lonely Austrian Housewife Adwww.ashleymadison.com/
18:14	mircea_popescu	Austrian Affairs Made Easy!
18:15	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans. << lel
18:17	nubbins`	when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"
18:17	mircea_popescu	kik
18:22	jurov	<hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness
18:22	jurov	in few days
18:22	jurov	and won't try to jump off even after lid is taken away
18:23	jurov	there was plenty of research
18:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00074865 = 7.3742 BTC [-]
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18:42	jurov	http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=249664017 hahah saffron
18:42	hanbot	<mircea_popescu> hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ? << but you forgot to make intellectual property dorm :D (srsly tho, i'd forgotten meanwhile)
18:42	jurov	go to 0:20
18:43	hanbot	jurov will the rats starve in there? or given food & reasonable temps etc?
18:43	kakobrekla	i hope she is getting paid
18:45	mircea_popescu	hanbot likely story
18:46	*	mircea_popescu can't be bothered to video. what's in pornhub link ?
18:46	jurov	she's showing off trezor
18:46	kakobrekla	trezor, without quotes
18:47	mircea_popescu	hehe so what's the problem with that
18:48	mircea_popescu	ppl stealing my ideas is what open source is all about.
18:50	jurov	hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression
18:53	hanbot	jurov and i thought cosmetics testing was sad
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19:14	jurov	http://www.tse-systems.com/products/behavior/anxiety/learned-helplessness.htm omg they even sell premade cages for that
19:14	BingoBoingo	http://olive-drab.com/od_surplus_armsbazzar.php
19:14	assbot	U.S. News 12/2/96: Weapons Bazaar
19:14	jurov	A free-programming language is available for generating custom procedures.
19:16	BingoBoingo	jurov: All of those cages seem small for mice of interesting size...
19:17	jurov	i refuse to investigate further
19:20	mircea_popescu	jurov mice or rats, incidentally ?
19:26	cazalla	JuliaTourianski, gee you really upset reddit
19:27	mircea_popescu	lol what's she do ?
19:27	cazalla	criticise circle
19:27	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm guessing she returned here and continued conversation
19:28	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Linky?
19:28	mircea_popescu	incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.
19:28	kakobrekla	watch out for ddos police with liabilities
19:28	cazalla	BingoBoingo http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hw9u2/dont_trust_circle_keep_your_own_private_keys/
19:28	assbot	"Don't trust circle. Keep your own private keys" : Bitcoin
19:28	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.
19:28	kakobrekla	hehe
19:28	BingoBoingo	cazalla: BTW how's the news business
19:28	mircea_popescu	cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.
19:29	cazalla	BingoBoingo, still trying to think of a name
19:30	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.
19:30	cazalla	bing http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850721 yes
19:30	assbot	Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz
19:30	cazalla	BingoBoingo even
19:30	cazalla	drop the the, just call it facebook
19:31	BingoBoingo	cazalla: You forget autocomplete, call it Qiz
19:31	mircea_popescu	facebutt
19:31	mircea_popescu	Facebutt : The Safe Place For Buttheads!
19:32	BingoBoingo	Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there
19:35	BingoBoingo	Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad
19:37	mircea_popescu	hehe
19:37	mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg
19:51	ben_vulpes	<bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!
19:52	mircea_popescu	lol
19:54	ben_vulpes	ms clinton's eligible for the presidency in another year
19:55	ben_vulpes	clinton (8) + obama (8) + clinton (8) = 24
19:55	ben_vulpes	24 + 16
19:55	ben_vulpes	(melia's 16)
19:55	ben_vulpes	it's not implausible.
19:56	nubbins`	why are we adding these numbers?
19:56	ben_vulpes	hillary rules for eight, michelle for eight, chelsea for eight, melia is now eligible for presidency.
19:57	nubbins`	feet (2) + ballhair (800) + ...oh, i see.
19:57	BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party
19:57	ben_vulpes	ah shit i did indeed
19:57	ben_vulpes	a fine dynastic do-si-do
19:57	ben_vulpes	'swing yer partner round and round...'
19:58	BingoBoingo	You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench
20:00	BingoBoingo	Maybe that McCain kid is finally senile enough to be a reliable empty suit?
20:01	mircea_popescu	who's melia ?
20:01	ben_vulpes	;;google melia
20:01	gribble	MELIA HOTELS INTERNATIONAL - MELIA - GRAN MELIA - SOL ...: <http://www.melia.com/>; Hotel Directory by Meliá Hotels International: <http://www.melia.com/hotels>; Meliá Nassau Beach - Hotel in Nassau - BAHAMAS - Meliá Hotels: <http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/bahamas/nassau/melia-nassau-beach/index.html>
20:01	ben_vulpes	it was a long shot
20:01	ben_vulpes	;;google melia obama
20:01	gribble	Family of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama>; Malia and Sasha Obama Through the Years Photos - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/malia-sasha-obama-vacation-biking-16716893>; Malia Obama Birthday: First Daughter Turns 14, Her Most Stylish ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/malia-obama- (1 more message)
20:02	BingoBoingo	I dunno Sasha seems moar presedential than Malia
20:02	mircea_popescu	what was the name of that bush slut
20:02	mircea_popescu	that was changing her panties on the street at some point ?
20:02	ben_vulpes	p. sure those girls are out of the running.
20:02	BingoBoingo	I thought they were twins and so never got proper memorable names
20:02	mircea_popescu	i guess im phrasing this wrongly.
20:02	mircea_popescu	;;google bush daughter slut change panties street corner
20:02	gribble	New NBC “Reporter” Jenna Bush Hager Must Leave Anti-American ...: <http://www.debbieschlussel.com/8033/new-nbc-reporter-jenna-bush-hager-must-leave-unicef-board/>; Bush - Drunken Stepfather: <http://drunkenstepfather.com/category/bush>; BookReader - Daddy_s slut girl (Egan Norma): <http://bookre.org/reader?file=78071>
20:02	mircea_popescu	y.
20:02	mircea_popescu	ty google. you understand me.
20:03	assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2D40Y2N.txt )
20:03	BingoBoingo	!b 5
20:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00074898 = 34.3782 BTC [+] {2}
20:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2555 @ 0.00075285 = 1.9235 BTC [+]
20:11	BingoBoingo	http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010/02/ksk-off-topic-how-to-foil-a-child-molester.html
20:12	BingoBoingo	^ Basically the story of Circle
20:17	mod6	<+mircea_popescu> what was the name of that bush slut < haha
20:20	JuliaTourianski	that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.
20:25	BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski: That's why I don't do video
20:28	ben_vulpes	<******> You've made three unsuccessful attempts to find your account. We've locked this session for security reasons. Please close and reopen your browser to start again. << annals of web security engineering
20:29	BingoBoingo	http://statsbylopez.com/2014/09/29/stat-pundit-rankings-mlb-2014-overunder-win-totals/ << "Vegas Odds"
20:29	assbot	Stat pundit rankings: MLB 2014 over/under win totals | StatsbyLopez
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20:48	BingoBoingo	So this Oakland/Kansas-Shitty Ace off already has point against both pitchers
20:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00075288 = 26.2755 BTC [+]
20:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00074818 = 38.8305 BTC [-] {4}
20:58	BingoBoingo	OMG MPOE crashing
21:05	BingoBoingo	%v
21:05	atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191
21:05	Apocalyptic	%d
21:05	atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300101.21 in 684 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.02
21:07	BingoBoingo	%p
21:07	atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 139.27 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.83 TH/s
21:07	BingoBoingo	!up AMDCeleron
21:07	BingoBoingo	So AMDCeleron WHo are you really?
21:07	AMDCeleron	i like AMD better than Intel yet i got a Celeron cpu in my laptop
21:08	BingoBoingo	AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on the AMD low power chips?
21:08	AMDCeleron	like amd c-60?
21:08	AMDCeleron	i had a netbook with c60 two years ago and it was ok i guess
21:08	BingoBoingo	Well, not that low power. Like the E-XXXX and its successors.
21:09	mircea_popescu	dignork nah, you make n of k sets signed in pairs
21:10	BingoBoingo	AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on non-x86-BBQ chips?
21:10	AMDCeleron	like iphone chips?
21:10	AMDCeleron	BingoBoingo, i dont know i have had an amd cpu in a year
21:11	AMDCeleron	why do you care about what i think of AMD?
21:11	BingoBoingo	AMDCeleron: I'm talking beautiful stuff like IBM Power, Motorola 68k, Sun Sparc/Sparc64
21:11	BingoBoingo	AMDCeleron: I'm just curious about people's IRC nick strategies
21:11	AMDCeleron	not sure ive never really used it
21:12	AMDCeleron	I choose AMD because i like amd better than INtel, yet i have celeron n2830 in my laptop
21:12	BingoBoingo	AMDCeleron: WHy not give them both the finger and go Longsoon?
21:12	AMDCeleron	idk
21:14	mircea_popescu	<ben_vulpes> <******> << the stars are secure
21:14	mircea_popescu	that's why used in pw fields.
21:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10577 @ 0.00074721 = 7.9032 BTC [-] {2}
21:16	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074682 = 28.2298 BTC [-] {3}
21:21	BingoBoingo	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/hot-dougs-closing_n_5882072.html?cps=gravity << Shitcago School of Applied Economics
21:21	assbot	The Best Hot Dogs In America Are Going Extinct, And Everyone Wants A Bite Before It's Too Late
21:27	AMDCeleron	what is assbot
21:28	BingoBoingo	Assbot is kakobrekla's monster. In december it consumes the wrong kind of naughty Children.
21:33	cazalla	from that digital cc annual report - On 28 February 2014, Mt Gox, the online Bitcoin trading exchange filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan. At the time Mt Gox filed for bankruptcy, Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd (wholly owned subsidiary of the Group) held approximately $233,435 of bitcoins with Mt Gox. It is uncertain as to whether Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd will recover those bitcoins
21:33	cazalla	in the future and therefore the inventory has been written down in full.
21:34	cazalla	they incurred a loss of 11m for the financial year
21:35	BingoBoingo	cazalla: How much have you thought about non-name logistics for the news site?
21:36	cazalla	BingoBoingo, cart before horse much?
21:36	cazalla	jk of course
21:37	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Well, the first thing to have is probabaly a site pushing quality blocks of text. Within hours of settling on a domain.
21:37	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com domain naming strategy
21:37	gribble	Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus - Bitcoin Forum: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mulhauser.html>; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally pe Trilema - Un ...: (1 more message)
21:37	cazalla	i figure modelling it after coinfire without all the silliness would be a start, see if i stick at it longer than a few months and then maybe bring some more people on board
21:38	BingoBoingo	cazalla: From the start I will be willing to contribute articles.
21:39	BingoBoingo	And suggestions, like Toolbox is the only useful Wordpress theme
21:40	mircea_popescu	cazalla sounds liek a sound plan actually.
21:40	cazalla	BingoBoingo, simpler the theme, the better
21:40	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Doesn't really get simpler. And as you get ideas about the look, you build from it.
21:41	cazalla	i use to use thesis for my wordpress sites though
21:41	cazalla	would you suggest latest wordpress ver or reverting to an older one? i have not used it much since 2.x
21:42	kakobrekla	fuck me. one of these days im gonna have a heart attack.
21:42	BingoBoingo	Everyone has their vices. BingoBlog's first theme was some swiss named default offered in lieu of ugly ass 20XX
21:42	mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wha happened ?
21:43	kakobrekla	i was in the middle of bbet maintenance when suddenly everything stopped working
21:43	kakobrekla	could not figure out for the hell of it wtf
21:43	BingoBoingo	<cazalla> would you suggest latest wordpress ver or reverting to an older one? i have not used it much since 2.x << Maybe MP can lend WordPress insights. I just kind of start with current and kill obnoxious defaults. For a news site though you probably want a new enough version to have decent multiuser handling.
21:44	kakobrekla	sweating blood on keyboard
21:44	kakobrekla	to find out i got locked out by ddos protection.
21:44	kakobrekla	and in reality it works.
21:46	mircea_popescu	lol
21:46	mircea_popescu	better than the other way around eh.
21:46	cazalla	how about using one of these new tlds trollbox.report
21:47	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Could work
21:48	cazalla	i can't think of any notable website starting with tr
21:48	assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/35VCN5Y.txt )
21:48	BingoBoingo	!b 3
21:49	BingoBoingo	Whatever the initial name is...there's sites in the #b-a interwebz hood that can get your google juice organically primed and buzzworded
21:52	BingoBoingo	cazalla: As I understand web publishing though... One of the most important parts is having content before going on srs promotion binges
21:53	BingoBoingo	If the news site starts tomorrow... I can be a srs contender for newbs around X-mas
21:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26984 @ 0.00074788 = 20.1808 BTC [+]
21:56	penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-web-20-illustrated/
21:57	mircea_popescu	cazalla ^ btw.
22:01	BingoBoingo	!up peterL_ good boy
22:01	PeterL_	hi
22:03	BingoBoingo	!up devthedev
22:03	BingoBoingo	O hai PeterL
22:05	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: people live everywhere people live << for the sake of argument, let's agree they're 'people.' but is that 'living' ?
22:05	mircea_popescu	now how would i know
22:06	BingoBoingo	Samizdat in IP land: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/gaming/2014/09/major_scrabble_brouhaha_can_you_copyright_a_list_of_words.html
22:06	assbot	Scrabble copyright dispute: Hasbro says it owns the Scrabble dictionary. Players beg to differ.
22:06	mircea_popescu	lmao
22:08	BingoBoingo	It's like if Nimzovich said Imma publish 'My System' but nun-yall can play it.
22:09	mircea_popescu	it's like this dumb kid in the courtyard figured somebody gives a shit if he loses an eye.
22:09	asciilifeform	lol, hasbro!
22:10	asciilifeform	everybody knows the story with that firm ?
22:10	BingoBoingo	Which story?
22:10	devthedev	Good evening
22:10	asciilifeform	they bought up virtually the entire u.s. computer game industry - and then imploded.
22:10	asciilifeform	most of the purchases were taxidermically hollowed out (assuming they even had meat) and used as bare named
22:10	asciilifeform	e.g. 'atari'
22:10	BingoBoingo	Ah
22:11	asciilifeform	(my brother at one time worked in a tiny game firm, their product was released with 'atari' on the box by the publisher - at the time, hasbro corp.)
22:12	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yup, quite. bought all the dead birds
22:12	asciilifeform	and attached strings, put on muppet show.
22:12	mircea_popescu	myeah. as if you know ?
22:12	mircea_popescu	possibly dumbest company in history of ip debacles, way up there with the riaa/mpaa crowd
22:13	asciilifeform	evidently something remains of it!
22:13	*	asciilifeform was a little surprised
22:13	mircea_popescu	about the same as remains of the "comics code"
22:13	mircea_popescu	an office in a basemenent somewhere
22:13	asciilifeform	lol
22:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Bankruptcy is a powerful tool as Mr. Trump can attest.
22:13	mircea_popescu	unless it was finally closed
22:14	asciilifeform	basement, office, bag of money the size of a Waring laboratory blender. recipe for eternal life.
22:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39521 @ 0.00075307 = 29.7621 BTC [+] {3}
22:20	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: So... We're prolly all stuck now. Ebola diagnosed in the US. Outgoing border controls can't be far away.
22:21	devthedev	BingoBoingo: I still have that canoe if you want to borrow it.
22:21	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: marburg was in usa, etc.
22:22	asciilifeform	!s the holiday
22:22	assbot	37 results for 'the holiday' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+holiday
22:22	BingoBoingo	devthedev: Well I haven't found library work so...Maybe I'll work X-mas at the mall and get back to you in January.
22:22	asciilifeform	if time for 'the holiday' - they don't need excuse.
22:22	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: The US has its own disease demons like Hanta.
22:22	BingoBoingo	It would take some disease with a hashtag.
22:25	mircea_popescu	jee whiz, i had no idea ebola had tracks.
22:25	mircea_popescu	what strange tank is this!
22:26	devthedev	The talks of a properly run Bitcoin news site is interesting.
22:27	devthedev	What would be needed to make it a reality?
22:27	mircea_popescu	devthedev didn't you work for something like that at some point ?
22:27	asciilifeform	'there wasn't ebola when bush was president, thanks obama'
22:27	asciilifeform	(random turd from net)
22:27	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform blame obamacare ? lol.
22:28	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you'll appreciate today's puzzle box: http://imgur.com/a/ZcyQH
22:28	assbot	Puzzle Box - Imgur
22:28	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He's a Florida kid. Was on TradeFartress's CoinChat and did his own thing afterwards.
22:28	asciilifeform	(unrelated)
22:28	devthedev	Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue.
22:29	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Is that a helium release valve?
22:29	asciilifeform	any gas
22:29	decimation	re: bankruptcy << usg is bankrupt (as discussed yesterday). the natural law of bankruptcy demands that the bankrupt lose control of their assets to the creditors
22:30	BingoBoingo	<devthedev> Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue. << Wrote the only worthwhile stories on a since failed venue. Operator never showed and stayed here in spite on invites.
22:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> any gas << Ah
22:31	mircea_popescu	devthedev well, talk to cazalla basically.
22:31	devthedev	Will do
22:32	decimation	re: floating-point << http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/floating-point-determinism/ "Is IEEE floating-point math deterministic? Will you always get the same results from the same inputs? The answer is an unequivocal “yes”. Unfortunately the answer is also an unequivocal “no”. I’m afraid you will need to clarify your question."
22:32	assbot	Floating-Point Determinism | Random ASCII
22:32	BingoBoingo	devthedev: He might be cleaning rabbits atm.
22:33	mircea_popescu	decimation lmao good one
22:33	BingoBoingo	!up devthedev
22:33	mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot devthedev
22:33	gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
22:33	mircea_popescu	you know you can self up.
22:33	devthedev	I don't have access to my OTC keys at the moment to auth.
22:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4616 @ 0.00074788 = 3.4522 BTC [-]
22:37	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: hint - puzzle box is in my kitchen.
22:38	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Brewing something or preparing under the sea anchor safe
22:38	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: negative.
22:39	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Century hard drive?
22:39	asciilifeform	nope.
22:40	BingoBoingo	Dead Nigger Storage?
22:40	asciilifeform	lol
22:40	*	asciilifeform doesn't know what the box for that looks like, but imagines slightly larger
22:41	BingoBoingo	;;google pulp fiction dead nigger storage
22:41	gribble	Pulp Fiction: "Dead Nigger Storage" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAqM2Gsfi4>; Dead Nigger Storage - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH_-O7ev2o>; Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/quotes>
22:41	asciilifeform	if this one were a coffin, it'd hold a very obese 5 y.o.
22:41	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Noiseless computer?
22:41	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: give up ?
22:42	BingoBoingo	I concede
22:42	asciilifeform	it's empty, of course.
22:42	asciilifeform	cheapest way to get airtight crate, by a factor of 10, is usg surplus.
22:42	BingoBoingo	Ah
22:43	asciilifeform	and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter.
22:44	decimation	http://www.dlis.dla.mil/webflis/pub/pub_search.aspx
22:44	assbot	WebFLIS - Public Search
22:44	decimation	"SHIPPING AND STORAGE CONTAINER,POWER SUPPLY"
22:44	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter. << Wait how much does a climate controlled storage locker cost on your left coast?
22:44	asciilifeform	decimation: yes.
22:45	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: locker with mains socket that you can sit in?
22:45	decimation	I yearn for the days when usg would actually create a spec for an object and have it manufactured
22:45	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: and loudly machine things ?
22:45	asciilifeform	decimation: nukes
22:46	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: they're called 'apartments' and cost $maxint
22:46	decimation	those rare items that fall into that category are purchased at unobtainium toilet prices
22:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Lacks own mains socket, but climate controlled costs ~50/month here. Also lacks plumbing.
22:46	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: then not really applicable
22:46	BingoBoingo	I guess
22:46	decimation	asciilifeform: it looks like a poor man's pelican case
22:47	decimation	except better constructed with the metal lip & latches
22:47	asciilifeform	decimation: considerably nicer than 'pelican' - the lips are aluminum, and latches are valve-like cranks that twist tight
22:47	asciilifeform	(steel)
22:47	asciilifeform	fiddybucks.
22:48	asciilifeform	'dr. evil' appearance - thrown in for free.
22:48	decimation	wow. I thought the problem with buying usg surplus is that you have to buy a pallet
22:48	decimation	did you buy from junk dealer?
22:48	asciilifeform	i demand that my dismembered corpse, when time comes, be stowed in a crate no worse than this one!
22:48	asciilifeform	decimation: yes
22:49	decimation	'costco', one of the better us 'retailers' got its start selling caskets
22:52	decimation	http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/30/top-va-official-conspired-with-her-married-boyfriend-to-thwart-investigations/ << "A 2008 performance review, according to the investigation, stated that “her accomplishments were undermined by her poor judgment and lack of accountability. … Ms. Taylor allowed a personal friend to be hired in her department as a contractor [Mr. Dobrzykowski]; ... This, of course, is all good enough for
22:52	assbot	Top VA Exec Conspired With Married Boyfriend To Thwart Investigations | The Daily Caller
22:52	decimation	government work, since two years later she found herself in a top position at the VHA."
22:52	decimation	Not the kind of government bureaucrat that could design or even employ someone to design a quality case
22:53	asciilifeform	http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/24/clinton-aide-watches-stall-as-reporter-relieves-herself << linked from above
22:53	assbot	Clinton Aide Watches Stall As Reporter Pees | The Daily Caller
22:53	decimation	yeah 'daily caller' is an obviously americanized version of 'daily mail', and highly amusing
22:56	devthedev	I'm not sure what I'd do if someone followed me into the stall, probably wouldn't be too pretty though.
22:56	BingoBoingo	devthedev: My answer prolly depends on if they look pretty
22:58	devthedev	The comments are classic.
22:58	mircea_popescu	!up AdrianoOliveira
22:58	AdrianoOliveira	Thanks!
22:59	BingoBoingo	devthedev: For the record you are roughly how old and how advanced in 'Murica school.
23:00	devthedev	I'm 15 and a Junior currently taking mostly AP classes.
23:02	cazalla	<+devthedev> What would be needed to make it a reality? <<< like anything, consistency
23:03	decimation	!up devthedev
23:04	devthedev	Of course
23:04	decimation	asciilifeform: reading about floating point implementations on x86 is suicidally depressing for an x86 programmer
23:04	asciilifeform	decimation: wait till you realize there's 2 of them.
23:05	asciilifeform	uncoupled.
23:05	cazalla	although i guess jborkl is consistent, i feels bad for him
23:05	decimation	yeah, sse and x87
23:05	asciilifeform	yes.
23:05	asciilifeform	because gr0wth and pr0gr355, or something.
23:06	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Consistent, but alone insufficient. Pretty much the curse of anyone who tries this thing solo and without structure.
23:07	BingoBoingo	cazalla: I am skimming the #b-a periphery though for the hungry and not malinformed. So far I've found 1 candidate. I might find another.
23:08	BingoBoingo	devthedev: Does peapodamus still go online?
23:08	devthedev	I haven't spoken to him for about 2 weeks.
23:08	asciilifeform	x86 - what nobody wants, but everybody gets. like tax, death, arse waltzes.
23:08	BingoBoingo	Sooner than last year devthedev
23:09	BingoBoingo	So I guess he fails the consistency criteria.
23:09	decimation	plus intel keeps coming up with 'new' sse/cisc instructions that are """correct""": http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/theres-only-four-billion-floatsso-test-them-all/ << "A few months ago I saw a blog post touting fancy new SSE3 functions for implementing vector floor, ceil, and round functions. There was the inevitable proud proclaiming of impressive performance and correctness. However the ceil function gave the wrong
23:09	assbot	There are Only Four Billion Floats–So Test Them All! | Random ASCII
23:09	decimation	answer for many numbers it was supposed to handle, including odd-ball numbers like ‘one’."
23:09	BingoBoingo	devthedev: What about the really obnoxious one, Whiskers? WHo I'm pretty sure is in his 40's/
23:10	asciilifeform	gave the wrong answer << dollars to doughnuts, whichever answer comes out of 'matlab.'
23:10	asciilifeform	on normal x86 box.
23:10	devthedev	I'm not too fond of him BingoBoingo
23:10	devthedev	I haven't spoken to him since last year
23:10	decimation	my understanding is that matlab on x86 just uses doubles
23:11	asciilifeform	and these use...
23:11	BingoBoingo	devthedev: Not many are, but after this thing gets feet he might be a solid audition.
23:11	asciilifeform	tell-tale heart: if 'double' is 80 bits, you're using x86 fp
23:11	decimation	asciilifeform: surely you aren't suggesting that intel allowed some swarthy intern design their cisc instructions with some dumbass matlab script?
23:12	asciilifeform	decimation: not instructions. the poster.
23:12	BingoBoingo	decimation: This is Intel, once the US legalizes weed at the Federal level their foundries are being converted to farms.
23:12	asciilifeform	seriously, work in a u.s. anything & see.
23:13	decimation	yeah, I know. everyone wants to implement on matlab, and they do not usually think about issues like numerical precision
23:13	decimation	the blog poster is a googleer
23:13	asciilifeform	phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
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23:13	asciilifeform	they're interns
23:13	asciilifeform	get napkin notes
23:14	asciilifeform	decimation: you don't get it. likely the folks who wrote the presentation, gave results of supposed tests, etc. never even saw the chip.
23:14	decimation	ah I see. yeah that's probably true
23:14	decimation	someone gave them a 'model' maybe
23:14	asciilifeform	so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality.
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23:15	asciilifeform	(no you can't buy it from intel)
23:15	asciilifeform	amd - similar story
23:15	decimation	this is why intel can make money both ways - selling chips and selling compilers/libraries that actually use them
23:15	asciilifeform	when people say x86 is a turd - this is more than an aesthetic opinion
23:15	devthedev	Have a great day everyone, I'm going to get some sleep.
23:15	asciilifeform	it is a statement of fact. in that, encountering an animal turd in the forest, you know only approximately what is its composition.
23:15	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> amd - similar story << Fucked themselves for years by compiling their compilers with Intels
23:16	decimation	intel's ipp and compiler would 'detect' amd and disable its sse routines
23:16	decimation	I'm not sure if it still does
23:17	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: amd does not sell compilers.
23:17	asciilifeform	(unless this is a deep secret i was never privy to)
23:17	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: To my knowledge they've never sold either
23:18	decimation	AMD mainly sells usg anti-monopoly prosecution protection
23:19	BingoBoingo	decimation: They also sell the best laptop chips around.
23:19	decimation	I'm pretty partial to the haswell chip in my mbp
23:20	BingoBoingo	I actually don't actively dislike the E-350 in my X120e
23:21	BingoBoingo	I hate the fucking wireless card.
23:21	BingoBoingo	But I don't actively dislike the CPU/GPU combo
23:22	*	BingoBoingo remembers fuckers Spz. AMD APU's would be the mining be all and end all and they don't even register seriously for the weird alt hash functions
23:23	decimation	I mined with AMD/ATI gpu back in the day, I grew to hate AMD's driver releases that would ruin everything
23:24	BingoBoingo	I really, truly should have put the alcohol hobby on hold through grad school, but... The lack of time machines is a necessary bitch.
23:29	BingoBoingo	!up AdrianoOliveira
23:31	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/517154726933463040
23:31	assbot	Today is September 30, 2014, and there is still not much BIP32 support. Muh /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash 2.0.
23:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41879 @ 0.00074648 = 31.2618 BTC [-] {2}
23:34	BingoBoingo	!up Trix
23:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00074661 = 8.7353 BTC [+]
23:54	TheNewDeal	credit card locked out after 1 failed attempt to enter a zip code. Thank security

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