| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
can. but try to avoid it. |
| 00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform is a person for whom programing is incidental to his other goals |
| 00:00 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: for now. say US drops off the map. |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
if it drops off the map, i vanish into the same sucking black hole as my neighbours. |
| 00:00 |
asciilifeform |
easy. |
| 00:00 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state |
| 00:01 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: really? because now they can't kill irritating brown people outright? |
| 00:01 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: or? |
| 00:01 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Because they can't repel all of their enemies. Israel has had a chronic ally shortage. |
| 00:02 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: hmmm. I don't know much about the situation there and will refrain from commenting on it. |
| 00:03 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: I mean South Africa and Rhodesia were Israeli allies at one point, but... |
| 00:03 |
PeterL |
If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal |
| 00:03 |
gabriel_laddel |
BingoBoingo: lol |
| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
PeterL: And then there's the part where many US allies are explicitly not Israel allies |
| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
Not enemies, but not allies either. |
| 00:05 |
PeterL |
What is the current relationship between Russia and Israel? |
| 00:05 |
PeterL |
Where's the wot chart for countries? |
| 00:06 |
BingoBoingo |
I dunno there real is a serious one. States are sluts. They all flirt with each other until someone gets the clap. Russia though does better business with Israel's neighbors. |
| 00:06 |
PeterL |
so sort of a L2 -1? |
| 00:07 |
BingoBoingo |
PeterL: Sort of a no public rating deal |
| 00:08 |
gabriel_laddel |
cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled "the promised land" with exit points: Russia, Israel, Argentina & China weighing the relative tradeoffs of each with the angle that the US is going to fail. things I'm interested in knowing about each territory: character of the rule of law, taxes, status of the tech scene, character of the gov., description of major cities, # of nuclear reactors and thei |
| 00:08 |
gabriel_laddel |
r locations, military prowess, unemployment rates / economic status, known quantities of natural resources, criminal character, ease of purchasing land, electricity etc. & interesting historical tidbits. |
| 00:08 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: you left out an important bit - how much you (for particular value of 'you') even make sense there as a foreign devil |
| 00:09 |
gabriel_laddel |
also, how easy is it to get books from Amazon. |
| 00:09 |
PeterL |
and how much are you putting up on S.QNTR shares to pay for this book? |
| 00:10 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind. |
| 00:10 |
gabriel_laddel |
PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it. |
| 00:10 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: Authoritative record of the matter http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=325 |
| 00:10 |
assbot |
#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKliIa ) |
| 00:10 |
gabriel_laddel |
*it's. fml, accidentally hit RET as was fixing |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
and why on earth would you care about 'unemployment rate' ? |
| 00:11 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: If you have ideas you can submit a draft, but cazalla lives in a country where you can't get butter spreading devices without showing ID |
| 00:11 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: "largely confined to an enclave of his own kind" how horrible.... |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
as useless a statistic as 'life expectancy' |
| 00:11 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: if want to live among own kind, why leave where you are ? |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 00:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers". |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
for $whateveryoudo |
| 00:12 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: I'm not living among my own kind as it stands. |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, the unemployment rate for what i do, everywhere other than where i live, is 100%. |
| 00:12 |
decimation |
lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies |
| 00:12 |
kakobrekla |
reading code? |
| 00:13 |
kakobrekla |
yeah thin market. |
| 00:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: exactly why it should be part of the "promised land" missive. |
| 00:13 |
asciilifeform |
working on projects largely conceived of by self, with folks with whom i have a years-long business relation |
| 00:14 |
asciilifeform |
with minimal gefingerpokening and dilbertism |
| 00:15 |
gabriel_laddel |
decimation: lol if the US suddenly disappeared Israel would destroy its enemies << this is sorta the impression that I currently have. |
| 00:16 |
kakobrekla |
ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty. |
| 00:16 |
PeterL |
Would that involve Israel expanding geographically? |
| 00:16 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: dirt is ok. shit - no. |
| 00:16 |
kakobrekla |
when shit is decomposed enough its dirt. |
| 00:16 |
gabriel_laddel |
wtf is even being discussed. |
| 00:16 |
decimation |
PeterL: if the us isn't around, who is going to stop them from expanding? |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
remaining empires ? |
| 00:17 |
decimation |
possibly |
| 00:17 |
asciilifeform |
say, il neighbours become vassals of ru/cn. etc |
| 00:17 |
decimation |
certainly not syria, or iraq, or saudi arabia, or jordan, or egypt |
| 00:17 |
gabriel_laddel |
05:18 <kakobrekla> when shit is decomposed enough its dirt. << specifically referring to this. |
| 00:18 |
PeterL |
gabriel_laddel: maybe the metaphor has been stretched too far? |
| 00:18 |
kakobrekla |
well its how the world works! even shit can hide from entropy. |
| 00:18 |
kakobrekla |
cant* |
| 00:20 |
gabriel_laddel |
PeterL: missed this line. <kakobrekla> ascii so basically you dont want to get your hands dirty. |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't about 'hands dirty', either |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
but more about the fact that once you've lived as a man, do not ever again wish to live as a dog. |
| 00:22 |
kakobrekla |
still livin in a doggy house |
| 00:22 |
kakobrekla |
as a person. |
| 00:22 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: well, yes. I simply do not program anything other than Common Lisp. but because I can do this at $mylocation doesn't mean that there doesn't exist a soul in e.g., Russia who would be willing to pay me to do it. |
| 00:23 |
asciilifeform |
except i don't go around asking to be paid to program. |
| 00:24 |
asciilifeform |
i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems. |
| 00:24 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: and interesting problems only ever happen in the us of a? |
| 00:24 |
BingoBoingo |
gabriel_laddel: For him the network to find them does atm |
| 00:25 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo has it. |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
i have no desire to be 19 again without any of the upsides. |
| 00:26 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/11BA5TG.txt ) |
| 00:26 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
| 00:26 |
asciilifeform |
i watched it happen to both of my parents, when we emigrated |
| 00:28 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: so you're of the opinions that a) it isn't worth my time to network with people in other territories and b) usg is going to collapse? |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: i can't possibly say what is - or is not - worth your time. |
| 00:28 |
asciilifeform |
was answering question re: self. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
networking with folks in other territories is, i think, a very good use of time. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
what do you imagine i do here in #b-a. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. |
| 00:29 |
asciilifeform |
am here purely because enjoyment. |
| 00:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: kk. I had somehow gotten the impression that you were of both opinions a & b, which I find odd. |
| 00:30 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: i'm of the opinion that i, in particular, will die here in usa (and not of old age, either) |
| 00:30 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: I'm not one of those attempting to get you to emigrate and make the cardano in a jungle or w/e. |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
i'm already making it in a jungle. but a jungle with warm bed, good food, reasonable instrumentation, and opportunity for work that doesn't send me in search of a pistol to fellate |
| 00:33 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: right, however I seem to recall some #b-a persons attempting to convince you to leave the us for an actual jungle. |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt in patagonia. but the thought experiment presumed infinite (or at least, adequate) funding. |
| 00:37 |
BingoBoingo |
It's an option that may become feasible, but assuming it exists would be prematurely optimistic. |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
gabriel_laddel: here's what i want out of life: |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
!s live taleb |
| 00:37 |
assbot |
1 results for 'live taleb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=live+taleb |
| 00:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#852557 |
| 00:37 |
assbot |
Logged on 30-09-2014 20:25:59; asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you. |
| 00:38 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: yeah, difficult to get ahold of in bezzle land, which increasingly seems to prefer to "select a hero at random" (as per naggum). |
| 00:39 |
asciilifeform |
it is never 'at random.' |
| 00:39 |
BingoBoingo |
It's funny how even in pop culture Chicago police are acceptably more corrupt than in other jurisdictions. Maybe that impression though is for the other flocks. http://www.hulu.com/watch/703678 |
| 00:39 |
assbot |
Watch Chicago P.D. Online - An Honest Woman | Hulu ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKsyUq ) |
| 00:40 |
kakobrekla |
also relevant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833717 |
| 00:40 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-09-2014 16:53:26; asciilifeform: xmj: if i knew, i'd become a sysadmin. |
| 00:40 |
* |
kakobrekla rains on parade |
| 00:40 |
kakobrekla |
sorry, i go. |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 00:41 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: what's even funnier is that pop culture is seen as a source of authority :) |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 00:44 |
asciilifeform |
anyone else sickened by 'sendmail' taking a whole mb of ram ? |
| 00:45 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13201 @ 0.00060394 = 7.9726 BTC [-] {2} |
| 00:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
asciilifeform: can't find the naggum article I referenced earlier, but anyways yes - the process of choosing a hero in the USSA isn't by any stretch of imagination random. |
| 00:47 |
gabriel_laddel |
I stand corrected. |
| 00:47 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Well pop culture is the garden where the regime grows expectations. |
| 00:48 |
BingoBoingo |
Doesn't matter if you are in East Korea |
| 00:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
lol |
| 00:48 |
gabriel_laddel |
"You too may grow up to be Mark Zuckerberg!" |
| 00:49 |
gabriel_laddel |
work hard for your wealth and you'll be rewarded with pointless labor and millions of idiots nipping at your heels. |
| 00:51 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: I mean you don't feed cattle fresh salads, you feed them silage from the corn that was too useful for them to eat. |
| 00:54 |
gabriel_laddel |
"nipping at your heels" was not the expression I wanted. something closer to "you can speak random alphanumeric strings at people and they'll nod and smile at you. speak in an angry tone and they'll frown and shake their heads, but this and 'liking' things is the extent of their expressive and intellectual capabilities" |
| 00:54 |
Luke-Jr |
so I have less than 24 hours to decide whether to purchase an ewe & ram with the ability to avoid a 5 hour drive… any opinions? :p |
| 00:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Get them. |
| 00:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Sheep are "trailer fragile" |
| 00:57 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: eh? |
| 00:57 |
Luke-Jr |
the reason I'd avoid a drive is that someone else in my area is picking up theirs |
| 00:57 |
Luke-Jr |
so I'd be giving them gas money to take mine with them or something |
| 00:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: Well sheep are more accustomed to being compelled between locations than other livestock, but they are still more fragile than the larger animals. |
| 00:59 |
Luke-Jr |
point is, they're travelling 2.5 hrs regardless :P |
| 01:00 |
BingoBoingo |
Well, make the other poor motherfuckers drive. |
| 01:00 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << what? I thought you were co-founder of S.NSA, you don't own any of it? |
| 01:01 |
BingoBoingo |
Do you really want to drive a trailer with an angry ram |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet |
| 01:02 |
BingoBoingo |
"Own" and "own" are different things |
| 01:02 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: and i was here for some time prior to it |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
i don't own any serious quantity of any kind of thing one might wake up in the morning and compulsively check the 'worth' of. |
| 01:04 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: problem is, I don't have any crops planted for them to eat yet, and the fence isn't really setup ideally yet |
| 01:05 |
BingoBoingo |
What kind of Catholic isn't ready to be a Shepherd? |
| 01:05 |
danielpbarron |
11:29 <+decimation> I bet outlaw restaurants have good food too << reminds me of a place nearby that used to have great food until the owner got ousted for tax evasion; under new management the food sucks |
| 01:05 |
gabriel_laddel |
;; gettrust Luke-Jr |
| 01:05 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011 |
| 01:06 |
danielpbarron |
hah i was just thinking of doing that |
| 01:06 |
danielpbarron |
;;gettrust assbot Luke-Jr |
| 01:06 |
gribble |
Currently authenticated from hostmask Luke-Jr!~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Luke-Jr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Luke-Jr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Luke-Jr | Rated since: Sat Feb 5 12:37:04 2011 |
| 01:06 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: supposedly, I could have someone walk them until we figure out the fencing |
| 01:06 |
Luke-Jr |
eg, so they eat grass |
| 01:07 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: Well, what are kids for? Just make sure they have had their anthrax shots. |
| 01:08 |
Luke-Jr |
anthrax? wat? |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
emacs aficionados! turns out, openbsd has a separate 'emacs21' port, of that version, sans all of the retardation and shitgnomery |
| 01:09 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: It's traditionally a woolcutter's disease. |
| 01:12 |
Luke-Jr |
hrm, that sounds scary. especially infection via eating the meat |
| 01:12 |
* |
Luke-Jr wonders if it can be tested |
| 01:13 |
PeterL |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 01:13 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 01:13 |
gabriel_laddel |
PeterL: BingoBoingo why thank you, but I have nothing more to say tonight unless something interesting comes up or someone wishes to address me. |
| 01:16 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: You may not have an interest in farm ailments, but if you farm they will be interested in you. |
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| 01:41 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2819 @ 0.00058901 = 1.6604 BTC [-] |
| 01:41 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.3 BTC. Current weight: 98,559. |
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| 01:57 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker |
| 01:57 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 328.8, Best ask: 329.81, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 329.81, 24 hour volume: 17308.89013788, 24 hour low: 325.94, 24 hour high: 344.38, 24 hour vwap: 335.538451229 |
| 02:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00059796 = 9.3581 BTC [+] {2} |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00058901 = 5.1538 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00058901 = 9.0708 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 210 @ 0.12008522 = 25.2179 BTC [-] {2} |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00060658 = 6.8544 BTC [+] {2} |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17481 @ 0.0005956 = 10.4117 BTC [-] {2} |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8369 @ 0.00058853 = 4.9254 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 926 @ 0.00121207 = 1.1224 BTC [-] {4} |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 932 @ 0.0012 = 1.1184 BTC |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00059509 = 4.3442 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8466 @ 0.00058494 = 4.9521 BTC [-] {3} |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC |
| 04:37 |
davout |
BingoBoingo: i think catholicism isn't too far from qualifying as a 'farm ailment' |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00058444 = 7.5101 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7399 @ 0.00059509 = 4.4031 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15327 @ 0.00058381 = 8.9481 BTC [-] {3} |
| 05:16 |
cazalla |
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled... <<< good idea, noted. |
| 05:16 |
cazalla |
gabriel_laddel: PeterL: its just a request, he has 0 obligation to follow up on it. <<< ya, let the man share his ideas, no harm |
| 05:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00058238 = 2.3429 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00059509 = 3.8383 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8820 @ 0.00020899 = 1.8433 BTC [-] {2} |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19177 @ 0.00058238 = 11.1683 BTC [-] |
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assbot |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00058384 = 7.0645 BTC [-] {3} |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00061793 = 4.0165 BTC [+] |
| 06:50 |
adlai |
market wanna test new lows, eh? fuckaduck. |
| 06:51 |
adlai |
(not there yet, but looks like it's on its way) |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00062377 = 2.6822 BTC [+] {2} |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13369 @ 0.00061407 = 8.2095 BTC [+] |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13542 @ 0.0006055 = 8.1997 BTC [-] {3} |
| 09:43 |
mats |
http://www.japanesebugfights.com |
| 09:43 |
assbot |
Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BY4hpm ) |
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assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063327 = 6.0794 BTC [+] |
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| 10:21 |
danielpbarron |
;;rate copumpkin 1 https://twitter.com/copumpkin |
| 10:21 |
assbot |
Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM ) |
| 10:21 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user copumpkin has been recorded. |
| |
~ 29 minutes ~ |
| 10:51 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1785 @ 0.00059779 = 1.0671 BTC [-] |
| 11:01 |
mats |
http://fox2now.com/2014/12/17/school-punishes-blind-child-by-taking-away-cane-and-replacing-it-with-a-pool-noodle |
| 11:01 |
assbot |
School punishes blind child by taking away cane and replacing it with a pool noodle | FOX2now.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zw0XkR ) |
| 11:08 |
kakobrekla |
!up mius |
| 11:17 |
mike_c |
thanks mats. i just threw up. |
| 11:18 |
kakobrekla |
i had to google pool noodle first. |
| 11:19 |
mike_c |
ah, i meant the bug fights. |
| 11:19 |
mike_c |
is that one disgusting too? i'm not looking. |
| 11:19 |
kakobrekla |
ah i havent reached that far yet |
| 11:21 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27646 @ 0.00063954 = 17.6807 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 11:40 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00063975 = 7.773 BTC [+] {3} |
| 11:45 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/17/plumbing-truck-syria/20523873/ |
| 11:45 |
assbot |
Islamic militants buy plumber's old truck, use it in Syria ... ( http://bit.ly/1AchJqt ) |
| 11:58 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> i get paid to work on interesting problems. and, like other people who do this, it happens by cultivating relationships with people who have these problems. << this "work must be fun" trope again |
| 12:02 |
kakobrekla |
he is just caught in a local pain minimum. |
| 12:05 |
ben_vulpes |
"learned helplessness" |
| 12:08 |
jurov |
lol the hate |
| 12:10 |
ben_vulpes |
fight drama with drama |
| 12:11 |
mats |
the bug fights are pretty cool. |
| 12:11 |
mats |
there's one where a scorpion lookin thing flips a wasp, pins it, and then kills it by eating his butt |
| 12:12 |
mats |
my hero. |
| 12:12 |
kakobrekla |
link? |
| 12:13 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPBGER.txt ) |
| 12:13 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
| 12:18 |
mats |
http://www.japanesebugfights.com/15.htm |
| 12:18 |
assbot |
Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yobMx ) |
| 12:19 |
mats |
the wasp wins, actually |
| 12:24 |
kakobrekla |
aha the wasp danced him do death |
| 12:34 |
kakobrekla |
this is a good one, gets it in the fukin eye http://www.japanesebugfights.com/11.htm |
| 12:34 |
assbot |
Japanese Bug Fights .com ... ( http://bit.ly/13yrhQt ) |
| 12:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13882 @ 0.00064387 = 8.9382 BTC [+] {2} |
| 12:44 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: l0l |
| 12:49 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00063594 = 7.5995 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 18 minutes ~ |
| 13:08 |
punkman |
https://gnupg.org/ is asking for donations |
| 13:08 |
assbot |
The GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAtW1H ) |
| 13:09 |
mats |
no buttcoin option |
| 13:22 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12363 @ 0.00064143 = 7.93 BTC [+] {2} |
| 13:30 |
mod6 |
;;tslb |
| 13:31 |
gribble |
Time since last block: 41 minutes and 42 seconds |
| 13:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9095 @ 0.00063194 = 5.7475 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:32 |
kakobrekla |
;;bc,stats |
| 13:32 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 334721 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1950 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 30 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32880018383.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -16.67015 |
| 13:32 |
punkman |
ow |
| 13:37 |
mike_c |
no way. gribble is confused. |
| 13:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00064784 = 10.6894 BTC [+] {3} |
| 13:40 |
mike_c |
;;calc (14 * 60) / (334722 - 334656) |
| 13:40 |
gribble |
12.7272727273 |
| 13:40 |
mike_c |
oh. hm. my apologies gribs. |
| 13:40 |
thestringpuller |
;;nethash |
| 13:40 |
gribble |
271537218.24 |
| 13:43 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13059 @ 0.00062252 = 8.1295 BTC [-] {2} |
| 13:45 |
BingoBoingo |
!up FBI-Agent |
| 13:45 |
punkman |
http://vimeo.com/111715711 |
| 13:45 |
assbot |
GnuPG Finanzierung Thema im Bundestag on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZrRCf ) |
| 13:46 |
FBI-Agent |
oh dang |
| 13:52 |
mats |
o hi |
| 13:52 |
mats |
;;ticker |
| 13:52 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 316.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 316.0, 24 hour volume: 22383.75456503, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.937974664 |
| 13:52 |
punkman |
mats, can donate BTC to gpg via https://www.wauland.de/en/donation.html#61 |
| 13:54 |
thestringpuller |
;;ticker |
| 13:54 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 315.98, Best ask: 317.42, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 317.48, 24 hour volume: 22477.11534873, 24 hour low: 315.23, 24 hour high: 337.0, 24 hour vwap: 324.884551847 |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 14:12 |
xanthyos |
is that estimated percent change in difficulty in proportion to the price shift? |
| 14:15 |
BingoBoingo |
I think whoever suggestd shitty hardware dying is probably on to something |
| 14:17 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/too-many-people-pay-ransomware-demands/ |
| 14:28 |
punkman |
https://erisindustries.com/ |
| 14:28 |
assbot |
Eris Industries ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM3J4m ) |
| 14:29 |
punkman |
"Derived from the Ethereum protocol" because you can derive things from vaporware |
| 14:29 |
thestringpuller |
~_~~. |
| 14:29 |
thestringpuller |
.~ |
| 14:29 |
thestringpuller |
~> |
| 14:29 |
thestringpuller |
.~ |
| 14:29 |
thestringpuller |
~> |
| 14:32 |
rithm |
http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/ |
| 14:32 |
assbot |
ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM4GcT ) |
| 14:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00064453 = 5.1562 BTC [+] |
| 14:38 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: having read the threads on the gentoo bug tracker, you are confirmed as a slimy piece of shit. |
| 14:38 |
punkman |
http://threatpost.com/manufacturers-backdoor-found-on-popular-chinese-android-smartphone/109929 |
| 14:38 |
assbot |
CoolReaper Backdoor Found On CoolPad Android Mobile Devices | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM61QQ ) |
| 14:39 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: no u |
| 14:42 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: are your patches included in mainline bitcoin by default? |
| 14:42 |
undata |
if not, explain why you tried to sneak them in by using your position as gentoo maintainer |
| 14:42 |
undata |
that's incredibly dishonorable |
| 14:42 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: I would reject them myself if anyone ever proposed merging to mainline |
| 14:42 |
undata |
then why are you fucking up gentoo for gentoo users like myself? |
| 14:42 |
Luke-Jr |
I didn't try to sneak anything in, the plan has been clearly published for months, and ensures nobody ever receives them without being aware |
| 14:43 |
Luke-Jr |
and it doesn't screw up anything |
| 14:43 |
undata |
... "the plan has been established" << this is the passive-voice of banal evil |
| 14:43 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: you exclude services based on your opinion |
| 14:43 |
Luke-Jr |
nope |
| 14:44 |
Luke-Jr |
spam != service; fact != opinion |
| 14:44 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: what constitutes "spam" is an opinion |
| 14:44 |
undata |
you are precisely the kind of dull mind I want nowhere near my money. |
| 14:44 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: perhaps, but in this case it is an opinion 100% of Bitcoin experts agree on |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
the real fools are the gentoo mainainers, for not chucking this crud out. |
| 14:45 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: then disable it |
| 14:45 |
joecool |
asciilifeform: he is the gentoo maintainer |
| 14:45 |
undata |
other gentoo folks bopped him on the head for trying to slime it in as default enabled |
| 14:45 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: which is again, incredibly dishonorable behavior |
| 14:45 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: not nearly as many as the Gentoo folks who encouraged it |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
joecool: the one remaining gentoo man? |
| 14:46 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: no, giving good defaults is not dishonourable. |
| 14:46 |
joecool |
asciilifeform: oh not the only one, just the one maintaining these ebuilds |
| 14:47 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: satoshi left out a feast; you are a fly crawling on it claiming it as your own. |
| 14:49 |
undata |
you clearly see it as "software thing I can hax on for great glory" and nothing more |
| 14:49 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: troll |
| 14:49 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: coward, who cannot handle being opposed. |
| 14:49 |
Luke-Jr |
reasoned opposition is one thing. trolling by making bogus FUD and claims of my intentions is another. |
| 14:50 |
undata |
no one gives a shit about your intentions |
| 14:50 |
undata |
it's the obvious consequences of your actions that are in question |
| 14:50 |
Luke-Jr |
obviously. you'd rather make them up, than give a crap what they really are. |
| 14:50 |
Luke-Jr |
there are no negative consequences. |
| 14:50 |
joecool |
undata: you just don't get the Tonal System do you |
| 14:51 |
Luke-Jr |
joecool: … |
| 14:54 |
kakobrekla |
!up keystroke |
| 14:54 |
keystroke |
thanks |
| 14:55 |
keystroke |
now if only my WoT pgp key was not on another continent... |
| 14:55 |
kakobrekla |
;;gettrust keystroke |
| 14:55 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user keystroke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=keystroke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keystroke | Rated since: never |
| 14:56 |
joecool |
o seems legit |
| 14:56 |
joecool |
;;gettrust kakobrekla |
| 14:56 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011 |
| 14:56 |
keystroke |
lol |
| 14:56 |
keystroke |
i am definitely *not* trusted ;) |
| 14:57 |
kakobrekla |
so who are you and what do you do? |
| 14:57 |
keystroke |
ah at the moment i am traveling in india |
| 14:57 |
keystroke |
mined back in 2009 for a bit and then from 2011 to late 2012 |
| 14:58 |
keystroke |
i was checking MP's blog and thought i should come here to get into the WoT as i thought i had registered back in the day but never made any transactions |
| 14:59 |
keystroke |
just for the general fun of supporting the cryptoanarchist ethos ;) |
| 14:59 |
joecool |
;;gpg info keystroke |
| 14:59 |
gribble |
User 'keystroke', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1o1BcShERS9B7nqfc9aGb7C3ns7gcicBn, registered on Sat Oct 6 11:50:59 2012, last authed on Sat Oct 6 08:53:40 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystroke . Currently not authenticated. |
| 15:03 |
keystroke |
i suppose i can auth by signing a message with the private key of that bitcoin address? |
| 15:03 |
* |
keystroke RTFMs |
| 15:05 |
joecool |
keystroke: yes, you never registered with gpg |
| 15:05 |
joecool |
only a btc addr, so provided you still control the private key for that address, you should be able to auth |
| 15:06 |
keystroke |
i never delete private keys but that wallet is in cold storage so i will just recreate with a different identity and start anew as the old one never had any reputation anyway :) |
| 15:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00064453 = 4.4756 BTC [+] |
| 15:09 |
joecool |
as you wish, though you won't be able to corroborate your story of registering and being in the community early on if you do that, if that matters to you at all |
| 15:09 |
keystroke |
yea i know that's a shame |
| 15:09 |
keystroke |
i can just sign something with addresses from coins mined in 2009 though ;) |
| 15:09 |
keystroke |
that should give me enough cred :P |
| 15:10 |
BingoBoingo |
Sure |
| 15:10 |
keystroke |
i am glad to see a crypto only reputation system here |
| 15:10 |
keystroke |
actually being taken seriously that is |
| 15:12 |
kakobrekla |
are those coins still sitting on the same address they were mined on? |
| 15:13 |
keystroke |
no |
| 15:13 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16456 @ 0.00060286 = 9.9207 BTC [-] |
| 15:14 |
keystroke |
but i control all of the keys |
| 15:15 |
kakobrekla |
then you cant really prove anything about those coins. |
| 15:15 |
keystroke |
well by signing with both keys you can prove you held the keys when they were generated and currently control them |
| 15:16 |
keystroke |
but i think the main idea is to prove generation keys anyway as the idea is to establish an early position rather than a certain size of bitcoin holdings which is ideally kept mostly private |
| 15:16 |
keystroke |
right? |
| 15:17 |
BingoBoingo |
I can kind of see that |
| 15:18 |
kakobrekla |
sure, that proves certain things. |
| 15:18 |
keystroke |
;;gpg info keystrike |
| 15:18 |
gribble |
User 'keystrike', with keyid CCCD74D054734EC6, fingerprint 282E81F4CB3F454E8C40F95ECCCD74D054734EC6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystrike . Currently authenticated from hostmask keystroke!~keystroke@unaffiliated/keystroke . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. |
| 15:18 |
keystroke |
yay |
| 15:19 |
keystroke |
yea the idea is to establish trust by trading anyway |
| 15:19 |
joecool |
that is more ideal |
| 15:19 |
joecool |
i wonder if we'll ever see a market of people acquiring old keys.... |
| 15:19 |
keystroke |
nothing can substitute for that |
| 15:19 |
keystroke |
haha would be cool |
| 15:20 |
keystroke |
numismatic value to the coin |
| 15:20 |
mike_c |
you keystrike or keystroke? |
| 15:21 |
kakobrekla |
he just made new ident |
| 15:21 |
keystroke |
i reregged as keystrike as i figure the keystroke identity can't be proven anymore as i never registered with pgp and that address is not accessible at this location |
| 15:21 |
mike_c |
got it. |
| 15:22 |
kakobrekla |
;;rate keystrike 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice |
| 15:22 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user keystrike has been recorded. |
| 15:22 |
keystroke |
thx :) |
| 15:22 |
kakobrekla |
easy come easy go |
| 15:22 |
keystroke |
:P |
| 15:24 |
punkman |
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/1052 |
| 15:24 |
assbot |
oss-sec: Linux kernel: multiple x86_64 vulnerabilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ0JzL ) |
| 15:27 |
keystroke |
design flaw in interrupt return... nice |
| 15:28 |
keystroke |
nothing like the old f00f c7c8 intel bug |
| 15:28 |
keystroke |
compare and exchange 8 bytes and die |
| |
~ 39 minutes ~ |
| 16:08 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00063331 = 2.3749 BTC [+] |
| 16:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13913 @ 0.00063331 = 8.8112 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 16:26 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12629 @ 0.00062081 = 7.8402 BTC [-] |
| 16:37 |
ben_vulpes |
Luke-Jr: "bitcoin experts" oh my sides |
| 16:39 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0006357 = 6.4841 BTC [+] {2} |
| 16:50 |
thestringpuller |
heh |
| 16:56 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1298 @ 0.00449537 = 5.835 BTC [+] {4} |
| 16:59 |
undata |
ben_vulpes: what a crock |
| |
~ 20 minutes ~ |
| 17:19 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-12-16-en << icann owned. |
| 17:19 |
assbot |
ICANN Targeted in Spear Phishing Attack | Enhanced Security Measures Implemented - ICANN ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfenh ) |
| 17:20 |
asciilifeform |
apparently, genuinely and truly pwned. |
| 17:23 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/12/mtgox-bankruptcy-trustee-answers-some-questions/ |
| 17:23 |
assbot |
MtGox Bankruptcy Trustee Answers Some Questions | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZfzX1 ) |
| 17:23 |
cazalla |
wru scoopbot :( |
| 17:30 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00063662 = 3.1379 BTC [+] |
| |
~ 34 minutes ~ |
| 18:05 |
thestringpuller |
scoopbot don't have the scoop? |
| 18:06 |
kakobrekla |
!up rdekley_ |
| 18:06 |
kakobrekla |
!up rdymac |
| 18:09 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13640 @ 0.00063343 = 8.64 BTC [-] {2} |
| 18:13 |
thestringpuller |
http://deadline.com/2014/12/sony-scraps-the-interview-1201328639/ << well there go my weekend plans |
| 18:15 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.00064671 = 1.5553 BTC [+] |
| 18:16 |
TomServo |
Nah, you can just grab the torrent when 'GOP' release their 'christmas surprise' :P |
| 18:16 |
|
Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Russian Index MICEX to drop under 1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1084/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3 BTC. Current weight: 96,792. |
| |
~ 1 hours 41 minutes ~ |
| 19:57 |
cazalla |
anyone able to read japanese? Bitcoin取引所が、取引妨害攻撃を受けたとして口座からの引き出しを一時停止。 google translate is not much use |
| |
~ 48 minutes ~ |
| 20:46 |
kakobrekla |
!up transfix |
| 20:57 |
undata |
thestringpuller: "We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome." << what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film? |
| 20:57 |
undata |
cowards. |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 21:19 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00064671 = 3.1689 BTC [+] |
| 21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
https://twitter.com/BilgeEbiri/status/545405072046559232 |
| 21:33 |
assbot |
Movie Idea: After every legal form of film distribution is threatened, Pirate Bay founders released from prison to help with one last job. |
| |
~ 1 hours 26 minutes ~ |
| 23:00 |
BingoBoingo |
;;bc,stats |
| 23:00 |
gribble |
Current Blocks: 334782 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1889 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36113185475.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.47614 |
| 23:00 |
BingoBoingo |
;;ticker --market all |
| 23:00 |
gribble |
Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 319.5, vol: 22815.81816038 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 316.571, vol: 7996.69331 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 317.63, vol: 35111.45482007 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 318.023677, vol: 147394.63030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 332.16906, vol: 30.55617748 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 329.6382, vol: 168.92705344 | Volume-weighted last average: 318.073502141 |
| 23:04 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18715 @ 0.00062798 = 11.7526 BTC [-] {2} |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 23:26 |
BingoBoingo |
scoopbot -fetch |
| 23:32 |
scoopbot |
New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/sony-cancels-movie-under-duress/ |
| 23:45 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7401769/the-mpaa-wants-to-strike-at-dns-records-piracy-sopa-leaked-documents << does this remind you of anything? |
| 23:45 |
assbot |
Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to break DNS, the backbone of the internet | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJwJKi ) |
| 23:46 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: not particularly, why? |
| 23:46 |
Luke-Jr |
trying to FUD again? |
| 23:46 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: you seem to think with slogans like "FUD" |
| 23:46 |
ben_vulpes |
MPAA doesn't like magic numbers, Luke-Jr doesn't like magic numbers... |
| 23:46 |
undata |
read the article, consider the blacklisting thing in bitcoin |
| 23:46 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: nonsense, I have never done anything that can legitimately be called censorship |
| 23:47 |
|
Bet created: "Russian Ruble to fall to 100 RUB or more per USD before Feb" http://bitbet.us/bet/1086/ |
| 23:47 |
Luke-Jr |
not donating your resources to someone harming you, is not censorship, it's common sense |
| 23:47 |
ben_vulpes |
it's *so* expensive to relay those transactions. |
| 23:48 |
Luke-Jr |
doesn't matter |
| 23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
kinda misses the entire point of the tcp protocol, where one just routes packets. |
| 23:48 |
Luke-Jr |
I have no obligation to donate my CPU time and bandwidth to someone period, whether they are harming me or not. |
| 23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
no definitely. |
| 23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
but you should hard code that into your own sourceball instead of cramming into gentoo. |
| 23:48 |
Luke-Jr |
nobody much routes TCP packets free of charge |
| 23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
especially if you can't figure out how to load it as config. |
| 23:49 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: your argument reduces to "save the children" |
| 23:49 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: no, it doesn't. |
| 23:49 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: your argument reduces to "lol I can't think" |
| 23:49 |
ben_vulpes |
his argument for not forwarding is fine, if constrained to his own apparently anemic boxes. |
| 23:49 |
undata |
^ this is a mind which has touched the holy source |
| 23:49 |
* |
undata shudders |
| 23:50 |
ben_vulpes |
but imposed on the rest of the world... |
| 23:50 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: it is NOT being imposed on ANYONE |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: this argument aside, what do you intend to do when your victims change addrs ? |
| 23:50 |
Luke-Jr |
asciilifeform: we already had this conversation |
| 23:50 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: nothing, clearly. |
| 23:50 |
undata |
another slogan "arms race" |
| 23:50 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: iirc the answer was 'la la can't hear you' |
| 23:50 |
undata |
heh |
| 23:51 |
Luke-Jr |
asciilifeform: also, I have no victims |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
his victims apparently don't care. |
| 23:51 |
Luke-Jr |
I am on the defensive, not the offensive. |
| 23:51 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: the people who play the dice games aren't people ? |
| 23:51 |
Luke-Jr |
ben_vulpes: heh, some of them came out and said "stop us" when confronted - so … |
| 23:51 |
Luke-Jr |
asciilifeform: they're not games, they're attacks on Bitcoin |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
"confronted" lol |
| 23:51 |
* |
danielpbarron stabs Luke-Jr |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
"attacks on Bitcoin" << wat |
| 23:51 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: they're terrorists eh? |
| 23:51 |
Luke-Jr |
the "game" is just a tool they use to involve others |
| 23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
oh do go on. |
| 23:52 |
Luke-Jr |
terrorists would have to cause terror |
| 23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
how is this an attack? |
| 23:52 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: let's posit that this is so. then why do you bother, if bitcoin is doomed ? |
| 23:52 |
Luke-Jr |
it's a DDoS, except at the Bitcoin layer rather than TCP |
| 23:52 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: given that you have admitted to lacking a backup plan when they start switching addrs |
| 23:52 |
Luke-Jr |
asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has this nice system of miners to address the spam problem. |
| 23:52 |
ben_vulpes |
how precisely a ddos? |
| 23:53 |
asciilifeform |
Luke-Jr: the miners are happily incorporating the 'spam' into blocks. |
| 23:53 |
danielpbarron |
a DDoS in which the victims are compelled to... gamble? |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
blockchain must bloat. fact of nature. |
| 23:53 |
Luke-Jr |
danielpbarron: they're not the victims |
| 23:53 |
Luke-Jr |
danielpbarron: the gambling front is just a way to get someone else paying the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees) |
| 23:54 |
danielpbarron |
the compromised hosts are victims too |
| 23:54 |
assbot |
[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00122868 = 1.2287 BTC [+] {8} |
| 23:54 |
ben_vulpes |
again, Luke-Jr - how is this a ddos? |
| 23:54 |
undata |
because like, lots of traffic, and I don't want it... ? |
| 23:55 |
Luke-Jr |
I get tired of repeating myself. |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
this one i've yet to hear an answer to. |
| 23:55 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: your explanations to date have little content worth repeating |
| 23:55 |
Luke-Jr |
it's distributed, by using gambling as a front to get others to cover the expense |
| 23:55 |
Luke-Jr |
it denies service, by filling the blockchain with garbage |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
please, at least, link to the point in the log where you explained how these small transactions are a ddos. |
| 23:55 |
ben_vulpes |
how is it garbage to send small amounts of bitcoin around? |
| 23:55 |
danielpbarron |
"filling??" when was the last time there was a full block? |
| 23:56 |
Luke-Jr |
danielpbarron: today? |
| 23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
How is it spam if they pay tx fees? |
| 23:56 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam |
| 23:56 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing the deeper question of whether *you* have the right to decide for the whole network what constitutes spam |
| 23:56 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: I never pretended I did. |
| 23:56 |
ben_vulpes |
no but you see it's just *hiiiis* code, undata. |
| 23:56 |
BingoBoingo |
Luke-Jr: Paying for a transaction is literally the definition of not spam. |
| 23:56 |
undata |
which would be fine were it not passed off as mainline |
| 23:56 |
danielpbarron |
he doesn't have the right or ability to effect such a change; that's not the issue |
| 23:57 |
Luke-Jr |
BingoBoingo: no, it isn't. |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
except he doesn't have the courtesy to keep his braindamage on his own machines. |
| 23:57 |
undata |
which is the expectation of what a *maintainer* does |
| 23:57 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: it's not passed off as mainline |
| 23:57 |
undata |
"here's the package in good faith that it's what the writers did" |
| 23:57 |
Luke-Jr |
undata: nothing in Gentoo is like that |
| 23:57 |
Luke-Jr |
you must not use it |
| 23:57 |
undata |
Luke-Jr: I've run gentoo for years. |
| 23:57 |
Luke-Jr |
then you know almost everything gets patched |
| 23:57 |
undata |
default use flags are understood to be ... defaults |
| 23:58 |
Luke-Jr |
yes, and they're still defaults |
| 23:58 |
undata |
you decided your patch was a sensible default, though the "core devs" did not |
| 23:58 |
undata |
explain that. |
| 23:58 |
Luke-Jr |
the maintainer of the package always decides what is a sensible default. |