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00:01 BingoBoingo Deer-Safe anti-nature device (yes I need to oil it): https://imgur.com/f7lu7Oy
00:01 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
00:01 asciilifeform old bayonet ?
00:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Fairbain Sykes knife, vintage
00:03 BingoBoingo Sheffield England stamped on the hand side of the hilt
00:05 BingoBoingo Old bayonet of similar vintage is hiding around here somewhere...
00:05 Bet placed: 25 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 707.27919187 BTC. Current weight: 25,409.
00:11 BingoBoingo It's amazing thinking that England... Used to produce things... Industrially
00:11 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
00:14 BingoBoingo %p
00:14 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.35 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1055.61 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.18 TH/s
00:15 BingoBoingo %d
00:15 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 199223.26 in 1863 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.39
00:15 BingoBoingo %t
00:15 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 2k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 170
00:15 BingoBoingo !up petenineteen
00:15 BingoBoingo Hello petenineteen
00:15 BingoBoingo I hear you know thestringpuller petenineteen
00:16 * asciilifeform owns one single thing made in england - a 'thurlby thandar' variable dc supply
00:17 asciilifeform it is very heavy. and transformer conveniently had a middle tap for folks in gringolandia to move the mains wire to.
00:19 ben_vulpes see i read that as "penisteen"
00:19 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot petenineteen
00:19 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user petenineteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: Wed Aug 20 22:28:26 2014
00:21 BingoBoingo !up Graet
00:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and unlike, say, yugoslavia or ussr, there are no conveniently-drawn ethno-geographic bantustans for it to cleanly collapse to. << sure there are.
00:30 mircea_popescu there's the louisiana territory, the texas republic, old dixie, the original colonies, republic of sociocalifornia etc etc
00:36 BingoBoingo Most in the US have already been collapsed to
00:41 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: I actually think the endgame a portion in Ferguson seeks is a police department like East St Louis's which see falling crime in spite of near complete inactio << it's not in spite. it's BECAUSE.
00:41 mircea_popescu the us is insecure BECAUSE of the dept of state and us army, not in spite of them.
00:42 mircea_popescu air travel is insecure BECAUSE the tsa not in spite of it.
00:42 mircea_popescu and the us crime problem is mostly a creation of the uspds.
00:42 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You forget the US pidgin Spite-Cause
00:43 mircea_popescu hm ?
00:45 BingoBoingo It is the redditards curse where they imagine the cause of their continued poverty and virginity is God's spite
00:46 mircea_popescu a
00:47 BingoBoingo Instead of their personal everythings being causes that inhere themselves with failure
00:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: did you and pascale hate it? << if the girl's frail and the guy big it dun work.
00:49 mircea_popescu "When considering what jurisdiction in this world is or is not, or perhaps which one just might be ever so slightly closer to being the land of the free than some other's let us examine a snippet of text that enumerates a right of citizens of some actual jurisdiction the world which might give many people in the United States some pause."
00:49 mircea_popescu dude that's abstruse.
00:49 mircea_popescu why the when let's structure ?
00:50 BingoBoingo It's how I thing, why I have to chew on shit so long or spout nonsense like in chan
00:50 mircea_popescu i mean, it's normative, i can see it. "when we feel depressed let's take our clothes off and bellydance instead" that makese sense.
00:50 mircea_popescu but why does it work for your thing ? you're not saying anything normative there.
00:51 BingoBoingo I'm not sure it works.
00:51 BingoBoingo at this hour.
00:51 BingoBoingo I've since gotten drunk, that sentence attrocity was constructed sober
00:52 mircea_popescu and since when the fucking hell does blasio have anything to say about resisting arrest ?
00:52 mircea_popescu does he fucking have an opinion on restaurant meals too, like the previous idiot ?
00:52 BingoBoingo Well De Blasio had something to say last week.
00:53 mircea_popescu that missouri statute is such bs. all the 1st para is replete with "lawful arrest"
00:54 mircea_popescu then the go on to say that the unlawfullness of the arrest is no defense.
00:54 mircea_popescu who the fuck would live there, i wish to know ?
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20260 @ 0.00064057 = 12.9779 BTC [-]
00:54 BingoBoingo Well, drunk in public isn't a crime there. Turns out nearly all US states have that BS
00:55 mircea_popescu eh just move to korea already.
00:55 mircea_popescu at least there's penis festivals there.
00:55 BingoBoingo I've been mapping foot routes to mexico
00:56 mircea_popescu so do the pds routinely pay small claims for pointless detaining professionals ?
00:56 BingoBoingo Seems so.
00:56 mircea_popescu like, police officer messed with plumber for an hour, now county has to pay $1500 plus lawyer fees
00:56 BingoBoingo Oh, one of the dpb noobs challenged me to chess, and maybe?
00:59 mircea_popescu http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/ o look at that.
00:59 assbot Im a cop. If you dont want to get hurt, dont challenge me. - The Washington Post
00:59 mircea_popescu somebody thinks they're like alpha or something lol.
01:00 mircea_popescu looking forward to the videos of them folks being beaten to death over a week or two, once the regime changes.
01:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2818125 = 2.2545 BTC [-] {3}
01:00 BingoBoingo lol, seems surprisingly likely
01:01 mircea_popescu i intend to make a nice library. the memorial von flondor library, containing documentation of what happens to these folks once things change.
01:01 mircea_popescu perhaps it'll help the next set stay affraid.
01:02 mircea_popescu like a holocaust museum in reverse, so to speak.
01:02 BingoBoingo lol
01:03 mircea_popescu "and this was Sunil Dutta. he thought he was a cop. he thought he was pretty cool. this is sunil dutta with his wife and kids. this is sunil dutta with his dog.
01:03 mircea_popescu this is Sunil Dutta after having beaten with a steel pipe for six straight hours.
01:03 assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MMRPCS.txt )
01:03 BingoBoingo !b 6
01:03 mircea_popescu this is Sunil Dutta after having been drug behind a truck for two hours the next day
01:03 mircea_popescu etc.
01:04 mircea_popescu he thought being an asshole is okay. do you ?
01:04 BingoBoingo Being an asshole is ok when you are cool
01:04 mircea_popescu "it's not the police, but the people they stop, who can prevent a detention from turning into a tragedy."
01:04 mircea_popescu herpy derp, we just work here.
01:04 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's okay for as long as it works.
01:05 ben_vulpes "if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. "
01:05 BingoBoingo The problem is overestimating one's cool and being an asshole beyond that
01:06 mircea_popescu but this system where square faced mugs figure themselves alpha is unholy./
01:06 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes "or find a bigger stick."
01:06 mircea_popescu "These are young people who want a future of some sort and know that if during such frequent encounters their persistence in being might cease because either the officer, themself, or both are having a particularly bad day their life can end. " this made utterly no sense.
01:07 BingoBoingo I might have gotten to a bit tipsy by then. Maybe I need to chew on these things a bit longer
01:07 mircea_popescu dja know the hemingway manual of style ?
01:07 mircea_popescu "cut all the words out. they're not needed."
01:08 mircea_popescu "It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed."
01:08 mircea_popescu now how the fuck would he know.
01:08 BingoBoingo I imagine I could do that, but... brain abused by AmerEnglish
01:09 thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe
01:09 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064057 BTC [-]
01:10 thestringpuller $depth s.mpoe
01:10 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 15140 @ 0.00064266 21877 @ 0.00063900 9400 @ 0.00063711 24350 @ 0.00063592
01:10 empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 14950 @ 0.00064339 68550 @ 0.00064459 15935 @ 0.00064465 39599 @ 0.00064563
01:10 mircea_popescu "I know it is scary for people to be stopped by cops. I also understand the anger and frustration if people believe they have been stopped unjustly or without a reason. "
01:10 mircea_popescu dude wtf lol ?
01:11 mircea_popescu what does he know this schmuck. it's about as scary to be stopped by a cop as it's scary to be accosted by beggars, panhandlers and flyer guys
01:11 mircea_popescu i guess it's scary if you're a shutin or something.
01:13 ben_vulpes hikkikimori and they just don't know it
01:18 BingoBoingo !up petenineteen
01:18 BingoBoingo !up mpmcsweeney
01:24 ben_vulpes professor of homeland security
01:25 ben_vulpes right up there with doctor of communist economics
01:25 mircea_popescu prime candidate for the salt mines.
01:25 mircea_popescu "o i was just doing my job" "well... you got a new job now. git."
01:26 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
01:26 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.93, Best ask: 522.35, Bid-ask spread: 3.42000, Last trade: 522.5, 24 hour volume: 19171.51466362, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 503.979760013
01:27 ben_vulpes so that's that?
01:27 mircea_popescu awwww.
01:27 mircea_popescu didn't i say yest today will be cry day ? or something to that effect.
01:27 mircea_popescu o look at this "The practical answer is, that if you get a sympathetic jury, and may not get convicted; especially if you catch the cops lying and ditching evidence (standard operating procedure; really.) The cops’ stories in these cases are a work in progress; they change depending on what comes up. If you (by some miracle, even though you’re entitled to it) obtain the Internal Affairs Investigation of the same in
01:27 mircea_popescu cident that you’re being prosecuted for (See, Rezek v. Superior Court, 206 Cal.App.4th 633 (2012); you’re supposed to get it, but in the real world, you almost always never do), and the story that the cops told the Professional Standards / Internal Affairs Division Investigators don’t jive with the present one. They just make something up; all with the guidance of the DA’s office. Really. They fabricate enough
01:27 mircea_popescu around their prior conflicting statements, to get some “police procedures expert” to justify the unjustifiable."
01:27 mircea_popescu i dunno people... where i come from something like this is enough to throw the thing out.
01:28 mircea_popescu "i was supposed to get paper x, da didn't send it. motion to dismiss the case with prejudice"
01:28 mircea_popescu judge dismisses the case and warns the da.
01:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.00064266 = 4.2917 BTC [+]
01:31 BingoBoingo It's reasons like this why I have a court date next week when I could have paid a fine to settle last year
01:34 mircea_popescu so many years ago, i'm coming back to town. im in the back with a girl, driver and shadow in front. there's this roadblock on the local turnpike.
01:34 mircea_popescu muggle comes over, sees the car, sees me, runs off.
01:35 mircea_popescu officer in charge comes over, goes "hmmm... mr. p... would it be possible to ... uhm... look in the trunk ?"
01:35 mircea_popescu "actually, yes."
01:35 mircea_popescu guy's genuine surprise is all pervasive. "really ?!"
01:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13969 @ 0.00064339 = 8.9875 BTC [+]
01:52 ben_vulpes the notion that cops would know one boggles me wee brain a bit
01:57 mircea_popescu but anyway, for closure : the resistance to anything unlawful is not a right, it's a freedom. no court has or could have any authority to create a right out of it, or in any way to curtail it.
01:57 mircea_popescu this includes police behaviour like it includes anything.
02:01 ben_vulpes tonight on VAN: realtime impression tracking!
02:01 ben_vulpes http://van-ads.com/venues
02:01 assbot Vulpes Ad Network
02:01 BingoBoingo Oh shit
02:01 ben_vulpes i think it might even work
02:02 ben_vulpes it's only going to register hits for people whose ad blockers are disabled.
02:02 ben_vulpes what other caveats can i drop...
02:03 ben_vulpes *yawn*
02:04 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how does it werk ?
02:05 ben_vulpes when a request comes in to van-ads.com/venues/drinkingrecord/* i log the time to the db
02:05 ben_vulpes nominally this db is designed for this sort of webby logging stuff.
02:05 mircea_popescu so then adblocking doesn't rly do much, unless it kills iframes i guess
02:06 ben_vulpes if it blocks the request, i never know. if the request goes through but the user's never shown the content, that'll log.
02:07 ben_vulpes i'm leaning towards moving the venues list to the front page, and making a faq page
02:08 ben_vulpes anyways, now we get to see who's actually serving content.
02:08 BingoBoingo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2w7z0aB3l0&feature=youtu.be
02:08 assbot This is my own private domicile and I will not be harassed....bitch! - YouTube
02:09 mircea_popescu in other news : saw a chinchilla run from a sewer tonight.
02:09 mircea_popescu like a rat would.
02:09 mircea_popescu except this one... was a chinchilla
02:09 BingoBoingo Impressive
02:15 BingoBoingo Hola mexual
02:15 BingoBoingo Or no tequila?
02:15 Vexual hola
02:16 Vexual no tequila
02:16 BingoBoingo !up petenineteen
02:16 BingoBoingo Hello petenineteen
02:18 Vexual sewer chinchilla: I imagine well dressed mutants
02:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00064448 = 53.8785 BTC [+] {4}
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02:35 Vexual i should like a pet chinchilla
02:37 Vexual it could rent my cats ferrari to go to the vet, and the tax office would go ahhh
02:45 Bet created: "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/
02:46 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
02:46 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.0, Best ask: 519.14, Bid-ask spread: 1.14000, Last trade: 519.2, 24 hour volume: 19141.47478817, 24 hour low: 466.07, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 507.156697482
02:48 Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/
02:57 Bet placed: 1.719 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.919 BTC. Current weight: 99,966.
02:59 BingoBoingo After 21 this month... Fuck 20% hashrate increases
02:59 BingoBoingo Bt also love them
03:00 Vexual thats a lot of silicone
03:02 BingoBoingo ;;google giant silicone titties
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03:08 xmj BingoBoingo: reddit.com/r/boltedontits
03:09 Vexual gadzooks
03:10 BingoBoingo http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/linux-founder-linus-torvalds-still-wants-the-desktop.html
03:10 assbot Linux Founder Linus Torvalds 'Still Wants the Desktop'
03:12 BingoBoingo http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ
03:12 assbot Taylor Swift computer security quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur
03:27 mircea_popescu how the hell does that go, 31bn ?!
03:27 mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff
03:27 gribble Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
03:27 mircea_popescu ;;diff
03:27 gribble 2.38446700388033E10
03:27 Vexual american billions
03:27 mircea_popescu ;;estimate
03:27 gribble Next difficulty estimate | 27582404634.5 based on data since last change | 27389691889.7 based on data for last three days
03:30 BingoBoingo If nothing else the ATC crisis has given me new respect for miners
03:31 Vexual crisis?
03:31 BingoBoingo %p
03:31 atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.80 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1160.60 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
03:31 Vexual oh
03:32 Bet placed: 6.5 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 57(Y):43(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.319 BTC. Current weight: 99,875.
03:32 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 57(Y):43(N) by coin, 57(Y):43(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.319 BTC. Current weight: 99,875.
03:33 Vexual wash that you mp?
03:33 BingoBoingo Fucking miners
03:34 Vexual niki minaj is buying up cexio with her adcents coin
03:45 Vexual sup punk
03:46 Bet created: "Tesla stock below $225 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1030/
03:46 Vexual made any cool terminal things lately?
03:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.28 = 1.4 BTC [-]
03:48 punkman nope, all the assholes want web interfaces
03:51 RagnarDanneskjol lol
03:51 Bet placed: 2.02020202 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 63(Y):37(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.33920202 BTC. Current weight: 99,825.
03:51 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 93(Y):7(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.2 BTC. Current weight: 99,870.
03:52 Vexual i heard the be controller is a bit shit
03:56 Bet placed: 1.00000001 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.20000001 BTC. Current weight: 99,860.
03:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00064139 = 61.5093 BTC [-] {3}
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04:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00063979 = 20.5373 BTC [-] {2}
04:16 * fluffypony stretches
04:21 Vexual g'morning fluffypony
04:22 fluffypony mrningz
04:22 Vexual what juju are you into today?
04:25 Vexual monero, barbeque and an ale?
04:26 fluffypony lol
04:32 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4pzKvuEQM
04:32 assbot Chet Faker - Gold (Official Music Video) - YouTube
04:38 RagnarDanneskjol whoa
04:40 punkman http://rt.com/news/181788-ebola-liberia-clashes-violence/
04:46 punkman http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/business/smallbusiness/yeswares-matthew-bellows-on-his-ironic-challenge.html
04:46 assbot Log In - The New York Times
04:47 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnxP7e7-YA
04:49 pankkake http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40800/title/PubPeer-Threatened-with-Legal-Action/
04:49 assbot PubPeer Threatened with Legal Action | The Scientist Magazine®
04:50 pankkake also, France now heavily "regulates" to de-anonymize OTC gold trading
04:54 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin under $100 before New Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1023/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 10(Y):90(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.72244161 BTC. Current weight: 94,004.
04:54 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 35(Y):65(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.20000001 BTC. Current weight: 99,740.
04:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22105 @ 0.00064293 = 14.212 BTC [+]
05:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00063877 = 2.8106 BTC [-] {2}
05:15 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.technologyreview.com/news/530251/how-to-break-cryptography-with-your-bare-hands/
05:15 assbot Touching a Laptop Can Break Its Encryption | MIT Technology Review
05:15 RagnarDanneskjol related stuffs: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6872188&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6872188
05:15 assbot IEEE Xplore Abstract - Experiments on two clock countermeasures against power analysis attacks
05:16 Vexual we've got a leftie
05:17 RagnarDanneskjol ?
05:18 Vexual did you read it?
05:18 RagnarDanneskjol I would never post without reading, do not follow
05:20 Vexual well the way i read it, if you have a wire protruding from your anus to an attacker, they can read your thoughts
05:21 Vexual and they can tell if you're eating cheetos
05:21 RagnarDanneskjol yea, something like that
05:26 Vexual luckily, im transcoding tentacle pron, and my keys are safe
05:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00063749 = 11.0286 BTC [-] {2}
05:27 RagnarDanneskjol TMI
05:27 Vexual although i will be removing redundant wire from my ethernet
05:29 Vexual the tentacle pron thing is a euphemism for adding obrusicating bullshit
05:30 Vexual TMI
05:30 RagnarDanneskjol sure it is :)
05:32 Vexual thats my excuse
05:41 RagnarDanneskjol http://nypost.com/2014/08/20/hundreds-of-believers-report-ufo-in-skies-near-nasa-in-houston/
05:41 assbot Hundreds of believers report UFO in skies near NASA in Houston | New York Post
05:43 Vexual ;;lasers
05:43 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
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05:59 bexne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF7s4nFfGho
05:59 assbot Wise Man And His Words wiley - YouTube
06:10 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W7XhJSPYvg
06:13 Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W7XhJSPYvg adcents
06:14 mircea_popescu "ebola-liberia-clashes-violence" certainly has a ring to it.
06:16 mircea_popescu Vexual http://www.reddit.com/r/boltedontits shhh
06:16 assbot reddit.com: over 18?
06:16 Vexual more slicone than mps boudiour in las vegas
06:17 mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/btc-difficulty-over-31bn-before-october/ whoa look at that go.
06:17 assbot BitBet - BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October :: 10.25 B (63%) on Yes, 6.09 B (37%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 5 days | weight: 99`447 (100`000 to 1)
06:17 Vexual fuckin juicy
06:20 Vexual im tempted to bet
06:24 mircea_popescu which way ?
06:24 Vexual im going crosseyed thinking about it
06:24 Vexual i guess id just copy what the others have done
06:26 Vexual havent reall got anything better to bo with my bc for 3 weeks
06:26 RagnarDanneskjol probably better to make your own educated decision https://coinplorer.com/Charts/Difficulty/BTC
06:26 assbot Bitcoin difficulty chart and prediction - Coinplorer
06:27 Vexual thanks rygar, ill add that
06:28 RagnarDanneskjol If you have nothing better to do w/ yur bc, I can think of better ways to spend it
06:28 Vexual do tell
06:29 RagnarDanneskjol it will cost you
06:29 RagnarDanneskjol my intel ain't cheap
06:29 Vexual terms?
06:29 RagnarDanneskjol lemme think about it
06:32 Vexual whats say i teach you some stikes suited to your body type, and if you fail to deliver, ill teach you a better one
06:33 mircea_popescu lmao
06:37 jurov ;;ud stike
06:37 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stike | stike-{stahyk} verb.(originates from the word strike)to ignore or cut off communication to a person or group.
06:37 jurov ???
06:37 RagnarDanneskjol http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/strikeprice.asp
06:37 assbot Strike Price Definition | Investopedia
06:38 jurov that made me even more confused.
06:38 jurov vex sells body derivatives?
06:39 jurov *bodily
06:41 pankkake maybe body liquidity
06:42 RagnarDanneskjol something like that
06:44 Vexual watchu got then rygar?
06:44 mircea_popescu lol
06:45 Vexual in and out with dollars?
06:45 Vexual hot boody shakin?
06:46 RagnarDanneskjol ew gross
06:46 Vexual you're lucky ive been shooshed
06:48 Vexual otherwise id youtube you all the way to mexico city, you big loveable lug
06:49 punkman RagnarDanneskjol: probably better to make your own educated decision <- looking at other's bets is an educated decision
06:50 Vexual seriosly, ineed more vikings, whats your policy on syeroids?
06:52 RagnarDanneskjol it could be I suppose, depends on what you qualify as educated
06:52 RagnarDanneskjol http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2167765-fantasy-football-2014-top-picks-and-draft-strategy-based-on-current-rankings
06:52 assbot Fantasy Football 2014: Top Picks and Draft Strategy Based on Current Rankings | Bleacher Report
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07:11 Vexual i measure intelligenge by the abilty to process new imformation
07:12 Vexual education might help
07:12 xmj it doesn't
07:12 Vexual it might
07:12 xmj intelligence is >70% genetic.
07:12 RagnarDanneskjol pretty close to this: 'The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.' A.E.
07:13 BigBitz xmj I disagree.
07:13 mircea_popescu <xmj> it doesn't << how would you know ?
07:13 BigBitz I don't believe intelligence is directly related to genetics at all -- unless there is some proven medical study to provide that ?
07:13 BigBitz That being said, even if there was, I'd take it with a pinch of salt also.
07:13 xmj mircea_popescu: i'm currently reading through the Bell Curve, which gives lots of references to that fact
07:13 mircea_popescu oh i see, the bell curve.
07:14 xmj plus, reading those references.
07:14 mircea_popescu intelligence as an innate ability is merely a qualifier. you don't got it, you can't play. otherwise, education is 99.x% of all intellectual performance, and that x is 10.
07:14 xmj education is nothing but a cheap signal
07:14 xmj knowledge matters
07:15 mircea_popescu we;re not talking education as in "went to harvard"
07:15 mircea_popescu we're talking education as in, i've been a sex toy to the master of field x for two decades.
07:16 xmj oh i see, that's how you got yours
07:16 mircea_popescu working on whatever whorley diode idiocy or whatever it is.
07:20 Vexual ive met identical twin with different minds
07:20 Vexual same dna
07:20 mircea_popescu !up antonosika
07:20 Vexual one needed advide to tie her shoes
07:21 RagnarDanneskjol as opposed to ones conjoined at the head you mean
07:21 Vexual one would convince you she needed your wallet
07:21 mircea_popescu http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/how-the-other-half-works-an-adventure-in-the-low-status-of-software-engineers/ << these people.
07:21 assbot How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church
07:22 mircea_popescu how the other half works : they select a subset of reality that it's not okay to lie about, then lie about all the rest, which is fine because hey, it wasn't in the holy set!
07:23 mircea_popescu the whole us is practically speaking an engless fractal implementation of exact anti-robustness.
07:23 mircea_popescu s/engless/endless
07:25 punkman that's painful to read
07:26 punkman dafuq "it’s OK to fix prior social status because one’s present state (abilities, talents) is fully consistent with the altered past."
07:26 RagnarDanneskjol its fascinating, I have good use for this at work
07:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00064293 = 3.3432 BTC [+]
07:28 Vexual painful
07:28 Vexual snap
07:29 Vexual what did bill do wrong?
07:31 mircea_popescu punkman exactly.
07:32 mircea_popescu " It’s like formally changing a house’s address from 13 to 11 before selling it to a superstitious buyer: the fact being erased is that it was once called “13”, one that will never matter for any purpose or cause material harm to anyone."
07:32 mircea_popescu except... it is obnoxious as fuck for clerks to decide the management is "a supersitious buyer".
07:32 mircea_popescu he knows what he's doing. apprentice wizard "consultant" does not.
07:32 mircea_popescu moreover... suppose there's mail in transit for #11 or #13.
07:33 mircea_popescu it's so broken there's simply no words.
07:35 Vexual speakig of robustness
07:39 Vexual does van ads have sales?
07:45 Vexual can i haz job
07:52 Vexual give me an email and a rate ben10
07:52 jurov Vexual you could have done bitbet affiliate already
07:53 Vexual benkays mmodel is more precedural
07:53 Vexual i cant sell bitbet to victorias secrets
07:55 jurov you want to advertise lingerie on bitcoin blogs? or the other way around?
07:55 Vexual advertising sales is a two way business
07:56 jurov that's not what i asked
07:56 Vexual bitcoin is becoming ubiquitous
07:57 Vexual i don't wanna sell advertisng
07:57 jurov dude, if you're to convince vulpy tyou're up to the job
07:57 Vexual someones gotta do it
07:57 jurov then let get rid of these phrases
07:58 Vexual which phrases?
07:58 jurov i'm asking what are you gotta sell to victoria's readers
07:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 700 @ 0.00263533 = 1.8447 BTC [-] {9}
07:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20145 @ 0.00064364 = 12.9661 BTC [+] {2}
07:58 jurov alpaca socks are unsexy
07:58 Vexual well id convine vs to accept bc and find 10 blogs where buyers lurk
07:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6855 @ 0.00064386 = 4.4137 BTC [+]
07:59 Vexual i prolly dotn have the skills really
08:01 jurov no i guess you're just afraid to push your own ideas to some conclusion
08:01 jurov no one else will do that for you
08:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.28165713 = 14.0829 BTC [+] {5}
08:03 Vexual hey id be doing the dunt a favour for 2 bits on the coin
08:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2631009 = 2.631 BTC [-] {2}
08:04 Vexual but if i was him i wouldnt give me an email
08:06 jurov much whore
08:07 jurov ;)
08:08 RagnarDanneskjol http://seekingalpha.com/article/2440965-is-jackson-hole-to-be-a-currency-event
08:08 assbot Is Jackson Hole To Be A Currency Event? | Seeking Alpha
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08:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 151 @ 0.00376061 = 0.5679 BTC [-] {7}
08:33 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 76.70854211 BTC. Current weight: 5,882.
08:34 chetty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGsFK52L0lk
08:34 assbot Money expert, Merrill Jenkins Sr. (M.R.) - T.V. debate - YouTube
08:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13171 @ 0.00064386 = 8.4803 BTC [+]
08:39 pankkake https://www.amagimetals.com/info/no-dollars-after-2016/
08:40 fluffypony publicity stunt
08:40 pankkake still a good one
08:49 punkman http://www.musedcreamery.com/wp-content/gallery/milk-made-products/udder-milking-ad.jpg
08:54 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol that stinks of desperation in the last degree.
08:56 RagnarDanneskjol seems that way
08:57 RagnarDanneskjol http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm34/DCNS336422/1217412519679.jpg
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09:14 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/
09:25 fluffypony the sad thing about IPv6 jokes is that almost no one understands them and no one is using them yet.
09:25 mircea_popescu this makes them cool no ?
09:26 fluffypony it's a joke:)
09:26 fluffypony this one's for asciilifeform: the bad thing about Turing machine jokes is you never can tell when they're over
09:27 Apocalyptic https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/433080081179611136
09:27 assbot The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
09:28 mircea_popescu Apocalyptic well at least he's still tweeting. the neobee thing he tweeted a lot about also turned to be a wallet stealing piece of crap
09:28 jurov lol that's still a thing?
09:29 Apocalyptic mircea, indeed
09:29 Duffer1 did they ever catch that neobee guy?
09:30 Duffer1 i've been out of the loop a while
09:30 mircea_popescu Duffer1 "they" who they ? reddit ?
09:30 mircea_popescu reddit caught a fart. does that count ? it tasted kinda ok.
09:31 Duffer1 ha
09:31 Duffer1 with that much $$ involved i assumed someone was looking
09:32 mircea_popescu you assumed wrong. it is the incontrovertible right of people to flush their assets down the toilet.
09:32 pankkake from the man himself "Shot by a keyboard warrior? Don't think I am too scared to be honest."
09:33 Duffer1 danng what a prick lol
09:33 mircea_popescu pankkake who';s this, the 20something ceo of great valor ?
09:34 pankkake yes
09:35 mircea_popescu lol he's back taunting teh "investor" horde ?
09:35 pankkake yes, happened a few days ago
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09:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00064113 = 13.2714 BTC [-] {2}
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10:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 824 @ 0.00064085 = 0.5281 BTC [-]
10:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3616 @ 0.00063905 = 2.3108 BTC [-]
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10:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37523 @ 0.00063811 = 23.9438 BTC [-] {2}
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11:04 ThickAsThieves <+Apocalyptic> https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/433080081179611136 / LOLOL
11:04 assbot The implementation of stealth addresses for Mac that I tweeted about last week turned out to be wallet-stealing malware. Crap.
11:07 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [+] {2}
11:08 jurov that was know for several months as StealthBit... or this is different piece?
11:09 thestringpuller mod6: if you get jammed up don't mention my name
11:09 pankkake "Sucks for open source in general too." because it was open source?
11:12 mod6 thestringpuller: fuck the club dawg, i'd rather count a million bucks
11:21 thestringpuller ;;google jeezy prayed up
11:21 gribble Prayed Up (cool_assTAY) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/cool_assTAY>; Lil Lody Ft. Young Jeezy - How It Feel - Foolish 2 Mixtape - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMzvTQcAgM>; YOUNG JEEZY LYRICS - Amen - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/youngjeezy/amen.html>
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11:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 605 @ 0.0018 = 1.089 BTC
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.56667065 BTC to 14`857 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.45632828 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1431 satoshi per share
12:11 BigBitz Could someone explain how this company raised $13.5M? http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-api-developer-chain-raises-9-5m-funding/
12:11 assbot Bitcoin API Developer Chain Raises $9.5m in Funding
12:15 BigBitz Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't their whole business based on access to the 'open & freely downloadable' bitcoin blockchain? or am I seriously missing something?
12:16 jurov simple, they heard about DERPs and want to get listed on MPEx
12:17 Duffer1 ha
12:18 BigBitz Haha
12:18 BigBitz Seriously though... I'm confused... $13.5M... :|
12:19 jurov srsly, i just see it as second dotcom spilling over to bitcoinland
12:19 jurov they could have raised 10x as much if there were rumors about fb/twatter integration
12:20 Duffer1 probably ip pump n dump, they're hopin for obscene buyout from paypal or dwolla
12:21 BigBitz Insanity.
12:21 los_pantalones BigBitz i too am confused as to what they do
12:21 los_pantalones no one can explain this?
12:22 jurov https://chain.com/
12:22 assbot Bitcoin API - Chain
12:22 jurov use curl to get your btc address!
12:26 kakobrekla chain.com got 4mio vc or w/e
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12:41 nubbins` design for "what is bitcoin" posters about 80% complete
12:44 nubbins` !up praeconium
12:52 asciilifeform http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/records_management/ia_rds.pdf << lol, public catalogue of teh goodz
12:58 nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DUSdEsr1Hw
12:58 assbot Chad Vangaalen - City of Electric Light - YouTube
13:01 nubbins` color palette for aforementioned posters: http://imgur.com/7ZH4nQX
13:01 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
13:03 pankkake https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ <= I like the "But… but… Centralization!". the thing is great, but he knows already it will be misunderstood
13:03 assbot A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
13:03 nubbins` http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2014/August/14-ag-884.html
13:03 assbot USDOJ: Bank of America to Pay $16.65 Billion in Historic Justice Department Settlement for Financial Fraud Leading up to and During the Financial Crisis
13:04 pankkake more than BNP, so it's not French hate after all
13:06 nubbins` "No. Anybody can do what Matt has done"
13:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 693 @ 0.0013 = 0.9009 BTC [+]
13:06 pankkake and the idea of a bitcoin backbone has been discussed here a while ago, btw
13:09 asciilifeform ;;gettrust boolcrap
13:09 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=boolcrap | Rated since: never
13:09 asciilifeform boolcrap: get in the fscking wot, comeon
13:10 asciilifeform boolcrap: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
13:10 assbot first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
13:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00256095 = 0.5378 BTC [-] {5}
13:17 thestringpuller !s bitcoin backbone
13:17 assbot 3 results for 'bitcoin backbone' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoin+backbone
13:17 thestringpuller only 3 results pankkake
13:17 pankkake not with that name
13:30 asciilifeform re: by the author of the fake management article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8191181
13:30 assbot VCs provide access to small growth businesses and will never have a lack of pass... | Hacker News
13:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.001349 = 0.5396 BTC [+]
13:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.0116 = 0.6032 BTC [-] {3}
13:49 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/return-ozcoin-mining-pool/
13:56 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 65(Y):35(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.38720202 BTC. Current weight: 98,252.
13:57 ben_vulpes sitting in the cafe this morning, makking in your enndos
13:57 ben_vulpes "you know what else is long baby? the cucumber i'm growing in the bushes for you"
13:57 ben_vulpes "i am a happy whore-ti-cunturalist indeed"
13:57 nubbins` cucumber in the bushes
13:57 nubbins` more like button on a fur coat amirite
13:59 BigBitz los_pantalones I am glad it is (was?) not just me!
13:59 BigBitz kakobrekla they got $13.5m
14:00 kakobrekla even better
14:00 BigBitz Heh, it's crazy.
14:00 BigBitz Crazily bemusing.
14:01 BigBitz It's like trying to comprehend nubbins` sell rates for Casascius coins.
14:01 nubbins` :D
14:02 nubbins` i don't even get em graded!
14:07 ben_vulpes ;;isitdown bitcoin-otc.com
14:07 gribble bitcoin-otc.com is up
14:07 ben_vulpes ;;ident
14:08 gribble Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
14:08 asciilifeform from the loltron:
14:08 asciilifeform http://nymag.com/news/features/foreigners-hiding-money-new-york-real-estate-2014-6
14:08 assbot Why New York Real Estate Is the New Swiss Bank Account -- New York Magazine
14:08 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot asciilifeform
14:08 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
14:08 ben_vulpes wot under ddos?
14:09 asciilifeform try it now
14:09 ben_vulpes hm
14:09 ben_vulpes ah, asciilifeform i'm not actually questioning you
14:09 asciilifeform but my magic did expire, it seems
14:09 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust assbot asciilifeform
14:09 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
14:10 ben_vulpes ;;ident
14:10 gribble Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
14:10 asciilifeform see, works
14:10 ben_vulpes the php app thinger's misbehaving, or slow, or its my network conn.
14:11 dignork coinbase, again http://pokerfuse.com/news/industry/2014-08-20-bitcoin-exchange-refuses-online-poker-transactions/
14:11 assbot Bitcoin Exchange Refuses Online Poker Transactions | Pokerfuse Online Poker News
14:12 kakobrekla dun worry, soon in eu.
14:12 dignork this is actually an example of why address reuse might be a problem
14:20 ben_vulpes !l m s.mpoe
14:20 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00063811 BTC [-]
14:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00064114 = 2.2119 BTC [+] {2}
14:23 jurov $proxies
14:23 empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
14:23 empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (889 milliseconds), mpex.bz (1060 milliseconds), mpex.co (768 milliseconds), mpex.biz (754 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (979 milliseconds)
14:26 asciilifeform ;;gettrust b00lcrap
14:26 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user b00lcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=b00lcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=b00lcrap | Rated since: never
14:28 asciilifeform ;;rate b00lcrap 1 actual human, meatspace colleague
14:28 gribble Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
14:28 asciilifeform wtf
14:30 Duffer1 boo1crap
14:31 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust boo1crap
14:31 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user boo1crap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=boo1crap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=boo1crap | Rated since: never
14:31 ben_vulpes nm
14:34 nubbins` !up CoalPowerGorilla
14:34 nubbins` !up rake_boss
14:34 nubbins` !up ADutchGamer
14:34 nubbins` !up rrrrandom
14:35 rake_boss noice
14:35 rake_boss ass
14:35 rake_boss tities
14:35 rake_boss ass and tities
14:35 penguirker New blog post: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/08/21_andreas-antonopolous-as-canonical-example-of-why-you-cant-trust-someone-not-in-the-wot.html
14:41 ben_vulpes !down rake_boss
14:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0006368 = 10.6346 BTC [-]
15:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00064193 = 10.4635 BTC [+]
15:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13215 @ 0.00064237 = 8.4889 BTC [+]
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15:20 asciilifeform http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << from the management-con fellow
15:20 assbot Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church
15:22 asciilifeform !up b00lcrap
15:23 b00lcrap test
15:24 kakobrekla does not work.
15:24 kakobrekla cant see that.
15:26 FabianB ;;ticker
15:26 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 526.55, Best ask: 527.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.52000, Last trade: 527.07, 24 hour volume: 14556.39550260, 24 hour low: 510.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.31767669
15:29 asciilifeform ;;rate b00lcrap 1 actual human, meatspace colleague
15:29 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user b00lcrap has been recorded.
15:31 mike_c btc sale is almost over.
15:31 mthreat comment from michael church claiming that people go to silicon valley and get a new life and a new face from plastic surgeons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8179731
15:31 assbot Right now, the hot commodity for corrupt officials, criminal billionaires, and m... | Hacker News
15:32 mthreat I asked him for a source about the "new face" business, no response to my question
15:35 asciilifeform mthreat: the 'new face' thing is probably pure conjecture, but if you could read russian (or chinese) you wouldn't need to ask for source material re: the rest.
15:37 b00lcrap !up
15:37 b00lcrap !up b00lcrap
15:37 asciilifeform say it to assbot
15:38 asciilifeform b00lcrap: welcome to the dark army.
15:38 b00lcrap I made it.
15:40 asciilifeform tell us about yourself, b00lcrap.
15:40 b00lcrap well i am asciilifeforms mentor
15:40 asciilifeform lo
15:40 asciilifeform l
15:40 b00lcrap he owes all of his successes to me
15:40 b00lcrap asciilifeform invited me here, we work together at a crap farm
15:41 asciilifeform b00lcrap also grows fine tomatoes.
15:41 b00lcrap this is true, and potatoes
15:41 kakobrekla i like potato.
15:41 asciilifeform and the occasional 0day.
15:41 b00lcrap i have grown an 0day once or twice.
15:41 b00lcrap but it was low hanging fruit.
15:42 asciilifeform as is the tomato. but they both taste mighty fine.
15:42 kakobrekla potato is lower than low hanging fruit, still fine.
15:42 b00lcrap i do windows malware / vuln dev mostly
15:42 jurov c00lcrap, when is cardano shipping?
15:42 b00lcrap never i think
15:42 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/21/canadian-armed-forces-wazzuuuup/
15:42 asciilifeform b00lcrap: is not involved
15:42 asciilifeform lol
15:42 b00lcrap yeah i never got a ticket on this ship
15:42 b00lcrap most likely because i know absolutely nothing about anything that low level.
15:44 jurov well :) so on what levels are you operating?
15:44 jurov visual basic viruses?
15:44 b00lcrap noo
15:44 b00lcrap i hate visual basic
15:45 b00lcrap i prefer something neatly written in x86
15:45 asciilifeform jurov: b00lcrap and i work a day job together. quite unrelated to s.nsa.
15:45 b00lcrap this is true
15:45 b00lcrap i have absolutely never even met mr.p
15:45 thestringpuller ;;ident
15:45 gribble Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
15:45 asciilifeform jurov: presently, we're reverse-engineers..
15:46 jurov decoders :)
15:46 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you remind me of Dexter from Dexter's lab.
15:46 thestringpuller Did you have a lab as a kid?
15:46 asciilifeform lol
15:46 asciilifeform sure.
15:46 thestringpuller Do you have a sister who would break your inventions?
15:46 asciilifeform so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.
15:46 jurov does mircea know?
15:46 b00lcrap are we the only one
15:46 thestringpuller pfft I'm at a day job now
15:46 b00lcrap who are still slaves to the man
15:46 asciilifeform thestringpuller: no, had brother, whose lab i would screw with.
15:48 chetty <asciilifeform> so now there's two of us peasants here with dayjobs.// might as well while they last
15:49 b00lcrap i think they will be gone soon
15:49 asciilifeform there was somebody else here who had one (moiety?) and then starved.
15:51 kakobrekla theres quite a few more than that.
15:51 * TomServo raises hand.
15:51 * kakobrekla was never employed.
15:54 thestringpuller sup fluffypony
15:54 fluffypony wasssssup
15:54 thestringpuller kakobrekla: is a bum
15:54 thestringpuller CONFIRMED
15:55 thestringpuller jkjk
15:55 thestringpuller kakobrekla is the most enigmatic person here <.<;;
15:55 mike_c nah, he's just camera shy.
15:55 kakobrekla camera shy bum.
15:56 thestringpuller your bum is camera shy?
15:56 mike_c takes at least 10 btc to get that bum on camera.
15:56 kakobrekla lol
15:57 lobbes I would also qualify as one of these peasants; hell, I'm essentially a SQL monkey
15:57 b00lcrap dam
15:57 b00lcrap at least ur not an html monkey
15:57 b00lcrap a
15:57 lobbes this is true
15:58 chetty victory!!! I have spent most of day fighting an obscure difference in compiler versions, I so love my job
15:58 asciilifeform gcc 4.x-ism ?
15:59 chetty yeah
16:00 asciilifeform chetty lives and breathes 'mingw' ?
16:00 Blazedout419 sorry for the name change spam...some scammer was squatting my name trying to scam
16:00 chetty noooooooooooooo
16:01 asciilifeform chetty has somebody in the cellar hanging upside-down doing the winblows port ?
16:01 chetty exactly
16:02 asciilifeform aha.
16:02 jurov and i today finally stumbled upon worthy wallet code to build on
16:02 jurov https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin
16:02 assbot haskoin/haskoin GitHub
16:03 fluffypony hah hah
16:03 fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750817.0
16:03 assbot Darkcoin's Alternative To Tor
16:03 lobbes lol... Darkcoin
16:05 BingoBoingo jurov: That premise looks like "Dream come true"
16:07 BingoBoingo jurov: Re: https://github.com/haskoin/haskoin I went to join their channel and now am op
16:07 assbot haskoin/haskoin GitHub
16:07 BingoBoingo And not left their channel
16:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol
16:08 jurov which one? i don't see you there
16:09 BingoBoingo Ah, spelling error
16:09 jurov hue
16:18 BingoBoingo !up Guevara246_
16:19 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.26837856 = 1.8786 BTC [+] {5}
16:21 asciilifeform re: people who starved: apparently xah lee (old crackpot blogger, linked on me site) recently did.
16:21 asciilifeform http://ergoemacs.org/misc/xah_as_good_as_dead.html
16:21 assbot I'm About as Good as Dead: the End of Xah Lee
16:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.26302 = 1.3151 BTC [-] {2}
16:23 thestringpuller ;;ticker
16:23 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.75, Best ask: 516.05, Bid-ask spread: 2.30000, Last trade: 513.54, 24 hour volume: 13878.37931625, 24 hour low: 510.0, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.896672788
16:24 thestringpuller !last m s.mpoe
16:24 assbot Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064237 BTC [+]
16:26 pankkake As for her friends, they were almost exclusively other oppressed SJWs. Although friend is a strong term. She had many fights with them that basically boiled down to "stop complaining about your oppression, mine is more important." She was, essentially, a contestant in the oppression olympics.
16:28 asciilifeform ars longa vita brevis. RIP mr. lee.
16:29 thestringpuller moment of silence?
16:29 chetty a contestant in the oppression olympics.//+++++
16:29 asciilifeform silence >> eh, maybe when he's done dying
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17:06 * nubbins` cackles
17:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31585 @ 0.00063828 = 20.1601 BTC [-] {2}
17:07 thestringpuller hey nubbins`
17:07 thestringpuller can you send me an invoice in pm?
17:07 thestringpuller like a one liner
17:07 thestringpuller we can get the full invoice later
17:08 thestringpuller just want quote for first payment
17:11 ben_vulpes ;;ticker
17:11 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 524.21, Best ask: 525.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.52000, Last trade: 525.76, 24 hour volume: 13536.79943406, 24 hour low: 510.57, 24 hour high: 534.14, 24 hour vwap: 520.793187559
17:12 asciilifeform https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013 << mr church has some very serious beef with teh-bezzle.
17:12 assbot I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News
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17:33 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
17:33 assbot Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
17:34 BingoBoingo http://www.vox.com/2014/8/21/6053819/white-house-cybersecurity-czar-brags-about-his-lack-of-technical
17:34 assbot White House cybersecurity czar brags about his lack of technical expertise - Vox
17:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20175 @ 0.00064283 = 12.9691 BTC [+] {2}
17:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3825 @ 0.00064426 = 2.4643 BTC [+]
17:50 The20YearIRCloud finally
17:53 danielpbarron https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvkweh2IUAAOlQ8.jpg "I DON'T use... plastic bags." << uses plastic bag.
17:54 mthreat http://i.imgur.com/rg9Wt.jpg <-- pregnant woman complaining about jackhammers, while smoking a cigarette
17:55 jurov i noticed the missing "fi" ligature instead lol
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18:22 jurov ben_vulpes: question on VAN, if i make, say 10x lesser bid that trilema
18:22 jurov will the ads be shown 10x less often or not at all?
18:23 mike_c the former
18:24 jurov and what does 7d impression avg. mean?
18:24 ben_vulpes average impressions delivered over the past seven days
18:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00064426 = 14.367 BTC [+]
18:24 ben_vulpes it's a little wonky right now as i've yet to collect seven days of statistics
18:24 jurov average over what?
18:24 ben_vulpes jurov: ^^
18:25 ben_vulpes average impressions per day.
18:26 ben_vulpes i'll clear that up. been noodling on good wording, have yet to come up with anything that feels *right*
18:27 jurov imma support pimps
18:28 ben_vulpes pete's killing it
18:29 ben_vulpes 175 impressions today alone
18:29 ben_vulpes on track to*, and wave hands.
18:35 nubbins` http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/kids/kids.png
18:35 nubbins` jurov dat ligature
18:35 nubbins` my eyes
18:44 ben_vulpes life is full of vomit of some shade
18:45 ben_vulpes kids, computers...
18:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27086333 = 0.8126 BTC [+] {3}
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19:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00063813 = 24.5999 BTC [-] {3}
19:17 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 62 @ 0.28962905 = 17.957 BTC [+] {4}
19:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 620 @ 0.00288745 = 1.7902 BTC [+] {13}
19:32 BingoBoingo %t
19:32 atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 6k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
19:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00064403 = 2.4473 BTC [+]
19:37 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2988 = 1.494 BTC [+]
19:47 nubbins` calc 40/[ticker --last]
19:47 nubbins` ;;calc 40/[ticker --last]
19:47 gribble 0.076995630498
19:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2740 @ 0.00064542 = 1.7685 BTC [+]
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20:27 ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation
20:27 assbot Year Of No Light - Tocsin [Full Album] [HQ] - YouTube
20:31 Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 78(Y):22(N) by coin, 78(Y):22(N) by weight. Total bet: 27.48720202 BTC. Current weight: 97,227.
20:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00064427 = 6.8615 BTC [-]
20:38 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 28 @ 0.0217227 = 0.6082 BTC [-]
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20:54 mircea_popescu lol
20:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013)
20:57 assbot I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News
20:57 asciilifeform now he's a living 'tilt mode' and campaigns for... unionizing programmers ?
20:58 asciilifeform or perhaps not in sv proper, but in related bezzlatron elsewhere
20:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2989 = 1.1956 BTC [+]
20:59 * asciilifeform doesn't know this fellow, can't say for certain
21:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i agree.
21:01 asciilifeform http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << basically factual afaik
21:01 assbot Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church
21:01 mircea_popescu guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.
21:01 asciilifeform seems like he's just pining for gasenwagen and yearns to hasten it
21:01 mircea_popescu in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable.
21:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8866 @ 0.00064403 = 5.71 BTC [-]
21:02 asciilifeform probably a good candidate for a future 'joseph stack' incident.
21:02 asciilifeform wonder what kind of kinetic energy delivery system he'll pick.
21:04 mircea_popescu nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone.
21:05 asciilifeform sure they do.
21:05 mircea_popescu "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.
21:05 asciilifeform 'the broom shoots once.'
21:05 mircea_popescu do these people even know what terrorist means ?
21:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the broom dood. not the dog vomit moss.
21:06 mthreat what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?
21:06 mthreat I must have survived it
21:06 mircea_popescu mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.
21:06 asciilifeform 'Один раз в жизни и швабра стреляет'
21:06 mthreat oh right
21:06 mthreat I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.
21:07 mircea_popescu were you terrorized ?
21:07 mthreat He hit the building with the IRS investigators
21:07 mthreat I wasn't terrorized
21:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: radio airplane << ordinary airplane, with him in
21:08 mircea_popescu im in the process of forcing a point.
21:10 The20YearIRCloud Wasn't it a single engine, real life sized airplane?
21:10 asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: according to the official story - it was.
21:10 * asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it
21:10 mircea_popescu radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ?
21:11 The20YearIRCloud Of course, the greys were behind it
21:11 mircea_popescu re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away
21:11 asciilifeform 'not a bike, but a wheelbarrow, and not given, but deprived of'
21:11 asciilifeform lol
21:11 mircea_popescu :p
21:11 asciilifeform everybody knows that one.
21:12 mircea_popescu "everbody" as in всякий
21:12 asciilifeform ahaha
21:13 asciilifeform in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane?
21:13 mircea_popescu i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.
21:13 asciilifeform aha
21:14 mircea_popescu "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao"
21:16 asciilifeform but - how do we know that herr church is a coward?
21:16 asciilifeform merely because he has not flown his plane yet ?
21:17 mircea_popescu well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know.
21:17 mircea_popescu i can tell. no idea.
21:18 mircea_popescu too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience.
21:18 asciilifeform his writings are inescapably reminiscent of j. stack's
21:18 asciilifeform at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long.
21:18 mircea_popescu i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.
21:19 asciilifeform stack? or church
21:19 mircea_popescu well the two. you said they're similar.
21:19 asciilifeform pretty sure we autopsied herr stack here
21:20 asciilifeform !s joseph stack
21:20 assbot 3 results for 'joseph stack' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=joseph+stack
21:20 mircea_popescu i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory
21:20 mircea_popescu metaterrorism
21:20 asciilifeform lol
21:20 asciilifeform ;;google joseph stack manifesto
21:20 gribble Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: <http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2>; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464>; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
21:21 mircea_popescu ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ?
21:21 assbot here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground
21:23 asciilifeform similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind
21:23 mircea_popescu im not sure that whether is valid in context.
21:24 mircea_popescu people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts.
21:24 asciilifeform turn sluts ?
21:24 mircea_popescu the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.
21:24 asciilifeform yes. that'd be it.
21:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
21:25 asciilifeform even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something'
21:26 asciilifeform especially if his handler isn't quite finished with him
21:26 mircea_popescu exactly.
21:26 asciilifeform this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly
21:26 mircea_popescu and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.
21:27 asciilifeform what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e
21:27 asciilifeform be
21:27 mircea_popescu do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?
21:27 mircea_popescu the former perceives he has some sort of army.
21:28 mircea_popescu the latter perceives he does not need one.
21:28 asciilifeform there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter.
21:28 asciilifeform like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.'
21:29 asciilifeform (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.)
21:29 mircea_popescu of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest.
21:29 mthreat this is for mircea_popescu: http://instagram.com/p/dVL0KigdHo
21:29 assbot Instagram
21:29 mircea_popescu mthreat pastry ?
21:30 mthreat cupcake
21:30 mircea_popescu i just ordered a replica made :D
21:30 mircea_popescu someone, somewhere is probably cursing you nao.
21:33 nubbins` ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete
21:33 nubbins` just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days
21:34 mircea_popescu cool.
21:34 decimation re: satellite : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency << according to la wik, it is geosynchronous, not a leo
21:34 assbot Advanced Extremely High Frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:35 mircea_popescu decimation something that big can't be in leo anyway.
21:36 decimation well, the ISS is
21:36 decimation except they have constantly boost the orbit
21:37 mircea_popescu well the iss is not a closed system.
21:37 mircea_popescu if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago.
21:37 decimation indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio
21:38 mircea_popescu then consider the sigma events.
21:38 mircea_popescu solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms.
21:38 mircea_popescu that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago.
21:39 decimation I was reading antifragile earlier today.
21:39 mircea_popescu (remember skylab ?)
21:40 decimation MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention
21:42 mircea_popescu yup
21:42 decimation spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space
21:42 * asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank.
21:43 asciilifeform by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor)
21:44 * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr.
21:44 decimation asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers
21:44 assbot Magnetorquer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:45 decimation asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector
21:45 decimation friction opposes the extra thrust-mass
21:46 * asciilifeform guesses that someone whose arse depends on the outcome crunched the numbers
21:46 * asciilifeform guesses wrong before, however.
21:47 decimation heh yeah. it's close to this idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet
21:47 assbot Bussard ramjet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
21:47 asciilifeform not strictly necessary to increase surface area.
21:47 asciilifeform just make sure that all exposed surfaces are scoops.
21:48 decimation presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics
21:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23984 @ 0.00064395 = 15.4445 BTC [-] {2}
21:49 mircea_popescu * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually.
21:50 mircea_popescu at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.
21:50 mircea_popescu this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.
21:52 * asciilifeform blows dust of 'reducing space mission cost' (wertzel & larson)
21:52 mircea_popescu and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.
21:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nobody wants to say this, for some reason << what? this is a schoolbook fact
21:52 mircea_popescu then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.
21:52 asciilifeform only place such engines are ever found
21:53 mircea_popescu but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions
21:53 mircea_popescu and they won't even need that much shielding .
21:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel.
21:53 asciilifeform lol
21:54 asciilifeform it's a fscking commercial product
21:54 mircea_popescu s/nobody/journonobodies
21:54 asciilifeform the difference between profit and orbital garbage
21:55 asciilifeform at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque.
21:56 decimation la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design
21:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion
21:56 * asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect'
21:56 mircea_popescu which irl never happens.
21:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12204 @ 0.00064278 = 7.8445 BTC [-]
21:58 decimation the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes
21:58 asciilifeform in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move.
21:58 asciilifeform or rather, in same directio
21:58 asciilifeform n
21:58 asciilifeform (depends where you want to go)
21:58 asciilifeform opposite, ideally
21:59 * asciilifeform is not awake
22:00 mircea_popescu Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a
22:00 mircea_popescu ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
22:01 mircea_popescu but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.
22:01 decimation heh what link?
22:01 mircea_popescu decimation earlier terrorist.
22:01 mircea_popescu what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!
22:02 asciilifeform re: magnetorquer: saw one in toy store recently! (vendor: http://www.turtletechdesign.com)
22:02 decimation well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by
22:03 mircea_popescu generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.
22:03 decimation asciilifeform: that's pretty cool!
22:04 decimation I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though
22:05 asciilifeform decimation: it was a toy. somewhere north of 100 usd, i think
22:05 asciilifeform just sits there and turns.
22:05 asciilifeform (so long as the room is lit)
22:06 decimation wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole
22:06 mircea_popescu "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "
22:06 mircea_popescu people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business.
22:06 asciilifeform lol
22:06 * asciilifeform apparently is not the only one annoyed by the word abuse
22:07 mircea_popescu it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.
22:07 * asciilifeform recently walked past a marble wall, thanking various donors to xxx that 'insured a bright future for this establishment'
22:07 mircea_popescu i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.
22:07 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.
22:07 ben_vulpes atmo expands 500kms under flare?
22:08 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.
22:08 asciilifeform homophone malapropisms are a kind of leper's bell for people who learned english (or whichever language) by hearing, and are innocent of books
22:08 mircea_popescu upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks
22:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.
22:08 decimation the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors
22:08 mircea_popescu fucking visual "thinkers" meh.
22:09 mircea_popescu decimation that's for down on the surface tho.
22:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares.
22:09 asciilifeform (recently documented)
22:10 decimation asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity
22:10 The20YearIRCloud takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems
22:10 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km.
22:10 The20YearIRCloud with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals
22:10 ben_vulpes paha that's intense.
22:10 decimation The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate
22:10 ben_vulpes so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning.
22:10 The20YearIRCloud That's what my understanding was
22:10 asciilifeform van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst.
22:11 asciilifeform but afaik this is well-known
22:11 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger
22:11 decimation the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected
22:11 ben_vulpes not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"?
22:11 decimation in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF
22:11 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me.
22:12 asciilifeform the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field
22:12 The20YearIRCloud And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too
22:12 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.
22:12 The20YearIRCloud And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls
22:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches
22:12 asciilifeform the machines had to last.
22:12 mircea_popescu current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .
22:12 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."
22:12 mircea_popescu yup.
22:13 mircea_popescu inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking
22:13 mircea_popescu ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.
22:13 ben_vulpes this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter
22:14 decimation the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems
22:14 ben_vulpes i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different
22:14 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: never pull? have them visit one of the 19th c. 'rotating prisons'
22:14 asciilifeform jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank.
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22:14 decimation http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/5 here's a page with a graph that shows attenuation in different frequency bands
22:14 assbot IPS - Space Weather - Radio Fadeouts and Solar Flares
22:15 asciilifeform http://www.rotaryjailmuseum.org
22:15 assbot Welcome!
22:15 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.
22:15 nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
22:15 assbot Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
22:16 kakobrekla noice.
22:18 decimation re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat
22:20 mircea_popescu !up InternetNazi
22:21 decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death."
22:21 assbot Read Them the Riot Act « Isegoria
22:21 decimation such a long way the british have fallen
22:21 asciilifeform 'pour la canaille la mitraille.'
22:22 decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years."
22:22 assbot Public Health Benefits of Culture « Isegoria
22:22 asciilifeform decimation: wonder why he suggests mormonism, vs. islam.
22:22 asciilifeform (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators)
22:23 decimation I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture
22:24 mircea_popescu decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it.
22:24 decimation I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism
22:24 asciilifeform 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.'
22:25 asciilifeform ^ similarly idiotic and equivalent modest proposal
22:25 ben_vulpes <nubbins`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy
22:25 assbot Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
22:25 nubbins` heh
22:25 nubbins` i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours
22:26 ben_vulpes best white noise.
22:26 nubbins` nod
22:26 decimation asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past
22:26 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770620
22:26 assbot #bitcoin-assets log
22:26 asciilifeform decimation: sure.
22:27 asciilifeform doesn't mean you can engineer this retroactively
22:27 asciilifeform mr mold once wrote, if i recall, that his greatest wish is that he were a mormon or moslem
22:29 ben_vulpes 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways.
22:29 asciilifeform burner ?
22:30 decimation asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically'
22:30 ben_vulpes someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly.
22:30 ben_vulpes the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.
22:31 asciilifeform what's a tribe next? chess?
22:31 ben_vulpes what's a tribe in the first place?
22:32 nubbins` ^
22:32 asciilifeform pygmies, sure. mormons - ok. tuba players? nope
22:32 ben_vulpes if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?
22:32 nubbins` they're a tribe at band camp
22:33 * asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning
22:34 decimation ;;ud tribe
22:34 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tribes | Tribes. One of the best games in existance. Despite subpar graphics, this game, created by Dynamix and Sierra, is very easily modded (not to mention pirated), ...
22:34 asciilifeform lol
22:34 decimation lol
22:35 ben_vulpes ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism."
22:35 ben_vulpes ^^ pediwik
22:36 decimation in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say
22:36 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo.
22:36 asciilifeform orc science quote of the day:
22:36 asciilifeform 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
22:36 asciilifeform ('химия и жизнь', 1991, forget which month)
22:36 ben_vulpes plenty of sluts circle the Man
22:37 ben_vulpes "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em
22:37 mircea_popescu which is why you believe the burning man is good :)
22:40 decimation herr walker has a book review on boronated fuels http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-03/001499.html
22:40 assbot Reading List: The Green Flame (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
22:43 asciilifeform sr-71 'blackbird.'
22:43 asciilifeform and 'kelly's lighter fluid.'
22:43 asciilifeform (peculiar fuel, that was entirely non-flammable under ordinary conditions, but would burn with triethylboron.)
22:45 decimation here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), "
22:45 assbot Reading List: Ignition! (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
22:46 asciilifeform 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous
22:47 * mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat.
22:47 mircea_popescu "in case of ni-fl fire, dump vat"
22:48 decimation how is that going to help? melt your face?
22:48 mircea_popescu i have nfi
22:49 asciilifeform b2h6 is a beauty. reacts with pretty much everything, including fluorocarbon extinguisher agents, e.g. halon.
22:49 mircea_popescu maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.
22:50 decimation the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit
22:50 assbot C-Stoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
22:50 asciilifeform aha, where sometimes landed, but pilot dissolved.
22:52 asciilifeform until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine
22:54 decimation I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene
22:55 kakobrekla a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that.
22:55 mircea_popescu well not that exact model i should hope
22:55 decimation the me-163?
22:56 decimation yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death
22:56 kakobrekla yea, in sturmovik.
22:57 decimation I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor
22:58 decimation sorry I mean a junkers Ju52
22:58 decimation http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=File:Valk_junker_J52_09.jpg
22:58 assbot File:Valk junker J52 09.jpg - The Internet Movie Plane Database
23:00 decimation apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm
23:00 assbot Dubendorf Air Museum
23:00 peterl mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid
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23:02 decimation peterl: interesting
23:04 peterl today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...
23:05 decimation peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style?
23:05 peterl and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds
23:06 peterl no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
23:06 peterl oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh
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23:07 decimation peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet
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23:08 peterl gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target
23:10 decimation as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html
23:10 assbot U.S. Criminalizes Designer Drugs | August 27, 2012 Issue - Vol. 90 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News
23:10 asciilifeform incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour.
23:10 asciilifeform (where X is the mass of reagents found on the condemned)
23:11 decimation "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows
23:11 nubbins` but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines
23:11 asciilifeform decimation: famous 'analogues act'
23:12 decimation in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard
23:13 asciilifeform decimation: did he explain why an engineer must never read an (unexpired) patent ?
23:13 asciilifeform on pain of defrocking
23:14 decimation heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X'
23:14 peterl I read unexpired patents all the time
23:14 asciilifeform if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages
23:14 asciilifeform 'willful.'
23:14 * asciilifeform IANAL but was taught this.
23:14 decimation ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help
23:15 decimation no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take
23:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2464 @ 0.00063613 = 1.5674 BTC [-]
23:15 asciilifeform or simply need to 'have problems'
23:16 asciilifeform everybody with an intact starfish has 'assets to take'
23:16 decimation yeah those are 'shake-down' letters, most folks cave in exchange for immunity. newegg is famous for not caving: http://blog.newegg.com/patent-trolls-learn-mess-newegg/
23:17 decimation the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written
23:26 nubbins` an intact starfish!
23:27 decimation re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously.
23:34 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good
23:35 ben_vulpes only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes
23:36 asciilifeform 'robust tribes' ?
~ 17 minutes ~
23:53 * ben_vulpes shrugs
23:53 ben_vulpes what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?
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23:55 mircea_popescu tribes prolly worx
23:55 ben_vulpes 's what im saying
23:55 ben_vulpes it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now."
23:57 mircea_popescu lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."
23:57 mircea_popescu the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.
23:59 mircea_popescu "Zapatillas Baratas"
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