#trilema | 2014-10-19

there are definitely elements of a 'forbidden city' wank fantasy also.

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'if i get 8 inches of crystalline unobtainium armour, i must be important'

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as I recall, the leaders of those who overthrew the czar immediately began using his fancy boats, palaces, etc for their own private benefit because "they were for the people"

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aha.

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asciilifeform> 'if i get 8 inches of crystalline unobtainium armour, i must be important' << Shhh stop talking about my tent

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#827001 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#827002

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Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: 'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace

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Logged on 11-09-2014 23:45:36; asciilifeform: t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine.

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thestringpuller: You finish wasp yet?

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asciilifeform: yeah, as Mr. Yarvin said, revolutions are when random adventurers seize power for their own ends

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<asciilifeform> hitler, stalin - never. << they were popular.

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makes a shitload of a difference.

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naturally.

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!up mats_cd03

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I liked "the wasp", it was amusing

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if you are trying to stir up a heap of trouble in a foreign land, occasional bombardment helps quite a bit

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8905 @ 0.0007415 = 6.6031 BTC [+]

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decimation: Point is with the wrong support suicide mission stays suicide mission

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and speaking of wasp,

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http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-eric-frein-police-citations-20141018-story.html#page=1

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Eric Frein manhunt wipes out speeding tickets, citations - The Morning Call

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asciilifeform: so at least %15 of the pa state police are hunting for this guy?

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at least.

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and what fraction of the pencil pushers - devil knows

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"C

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urtis Gibbs of Allentown got a break this month when he went to court for allegedly slapping state Trooper Joe Bushta's horse during Musikfest."

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i... beg your pardon ?!

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mircea_popescu: in most u.s. states, any case involving a policeman requires that he appear in person.

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(if he is alive.)

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not my point.

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my point is, you expect me to show up in court because a horse ?!

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ah, well, the other point.

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ask them.

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get off your horse lmao

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because insulting his majesty's loyal servant, or such.

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%15 << clearly pa needs 6 more freins.

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better, 66.

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Where do I get a cylinder #5?

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i'd love a container-2.

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BingoBoingo: as in a propane bottle?

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or -30

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2 contained Real Earthling Food

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decimation: No, the one with a phone built in, Cylinder #22's third most important companion

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BingoBoingo: oh you mean the book duh. I like cylinder 22

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yeah, if you are going to be a wasp with support, secure comms are pretty important

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The problem though is support can be more dangerous than the enemy

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heh yeah I half expected the book to end with the man dying at the end of the sights of a Terran space-marine

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Imagine how many Wasps must have fallen to "friendly" infantry on first contact

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see also, required reading, 'mother night' (k. vonnegut)

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very similar theme.

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<BingoBoingo> The problem though is support can be more dangerous than the enemy << this is very true. french resisters had an ambiguous reputation with the foreign secret agents dropped in the field.

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vonnegut was pissed that his father failed to bring him up in German culture, and dropped him in "one language English only" americanism << "But no, absolutely not – it was almost perverse, I think, that my father would cut me off from the past in such a way. And I think Germans are the most American of all people; [Dwight D.] Eisenhower was as American as a McDonald’s hamburger." http://www.hanknuwer.com/vonnegut.html

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Kurt Vonnegut on Indianapolis, Kilgore Trout, and Dresden

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decimation: this is abundantly clear in the mentioned book

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he definitely has a point.

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I've only read slaugherhouse five, I'll have to pick that up

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the germans in the us were basically cowed by the english into giving up their past so that they wouldn't be suspect during ww I&II

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http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf

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^l33t w4r3z

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lol I love government-hosted warez

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decimation: My present locale only had a german newspaper until 1917

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Schools similarly didn't have advanced classes in Ingles

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there are supposedly towns in usa speaking a kind of fossilized 18th c. german.

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asciilifeform: yeah http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#781802

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Logged on 02-08-2014 05:53:18; decimation: there is actually a small Germantown in America: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_German

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asciilifeform: Quite a few. Mostly in Missouri Arkansas and Texas

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there were once such germans in ussr, too.

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Well, USSR had hunters...

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I saw enemy at the gate...

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actually quite a few remained there until '90s

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I have distant ancestors who lived in odessa, they were invited by Catherine the Great

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mostly moved to germany, afaik.

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Hard to move to EU from Arkansas

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there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan

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well, many were rounded up and forcibly moved by the post wwii allies and stalin

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Oh, there are fully functional hamlets in the Ozarks

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when do we get to hear about the micro-germanies of argentina.

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asciilifeform: When they finish the bomb

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Argentine microGermanies are newer and moar urgent

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And were formed on ideas stronger than Prussia sucks

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569216

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Logged on 20-03-2014 01:13:02; decimation: In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.

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it is sad that the world has largely lost this diaspora because of hitler's derpage

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what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.

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well, it was also partially done during the first world war too

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mostly then.

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in 1911, physics, chemistry, were practically as synonymous with germany as seppuku is with japan.

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even in wwii german technology was generally superior

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1911 Forces my brain to think of the Colt pistol

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BingoBoingo: now that you mention it, damn, also.

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I heard from a fellow who was in charge of trying to duplicate german paint technology post-wwii. they were amazed to find german railcars painted 10 years earlier that looked new

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good symbol of american degradation incidentally. afaik all examples produced in past 20 years or so - have 'zamac' parts.

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asciilifeform: In American lore the only silent bullets happen in .45 ACP or .22 LR

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subsonics?

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asciilifeform: Full power .45 ACP is subsonic by nature.

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Tis a heavy motherfucker

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low-pressure by design, if i recall, yes.

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But I dunno why anyone would go for a recent frame

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cost?

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$300-Maxint, median seems aroung $1500 per pistol

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well, and the kalash is based on the stg 44

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And if SKS came 6 months earlier Berlin would need no airlift

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decimation: misconception. study the drawings. very different systems.

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decimation: the cartridge - was.

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note - full machinist drawings for historic arms can, with minimal effort, be found on the net.

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someone even took the trouble to translate notes to english, in many cases.

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presumably - enthusiasts are making them still...

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yeah they kinda look similar superficially. At least the stg44 proved the concept

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<asciilifeform> someone even took the trouble to translate notes to english, in many cases. << Sad so long take for 9 letter dictionary

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?

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asciilifeform: Machining specs, Many numbers, but few units of measure

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<asciilifeform> in 1911, physics, chemistry, were practically as synonymous with germany as seppuku is with japan. << this is true

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philosophy still is.

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yeah we haven't had a better kant come along yet

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BingoBoingo: few units of measure << millimetre, what else you need.

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assuming ru/de/fr blueprints.

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decimation not even what i had in mind. i think i ruined someone's life with frege earlier in the logs.

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lol!

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frege!

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asciilifeform: Well for blowback operated machines of the time it is whatever Browning himself deigned

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yes. frege. gottlob "fuck you and count" frege.

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which other frege.

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but ruined?

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;;google hollywood frege

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Frege - Westwood - Los Angeles, CA | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/frege-los-angeles>; Ibrahim Frege - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3359867/>; Beate-Maria Frege - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5409308/>

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:D!

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Fuku Fichte!!!

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dude whahahah

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!UP Maryjane

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wittgenstein too, although he was austrian I think

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i thought he was a swede.

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no wait, puma swede was a swede.

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Wittgenstein was late

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

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Ludwig Wittgenstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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he was a contemporary of frege

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shit no

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lol

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I read the wrong year, born 1889 in veinna

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Hi c:

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i gotta say i love decimation's notion of time.

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"sure, my wife got pregnant in 1972, so my kid is 12"

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ello Maryjane

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Maryjane: Hi, Wittgenstein was so fucking late

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well, here's a notion: what happened in germany circa 1790-1890 that caused such great minds to mature to fruition?

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decimation school beatings.

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look it up.

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decimation: also good question, what -didn't- happen.

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Hah

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"you can do anything"

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didn't happen.

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at any rate, the anglos did what they do best, and now there's a kind of stuffed animal with 'germany' sticker we have now instead to enjoy.

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well, "we"

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'we', yes

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No mircea_popescu Twas you have no friends, all in Ohio hellhole nao, make meaning. That twas the Prussian renaissance

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the anglos - masters of taxidermy.

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Subtract bad influences

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;;google Johnny Cueto

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mircea_popescu: have you visited any 'germanytowns' down there in ar yet?

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nah. haven;t been out of ba.

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lol wittgenstein tried to beat sense into schoolchildren, it didn't work

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he didn't aim to kill them.

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it only works if you're serious about it.

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Oh golly c:

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abominably bad ocr in that vonnegut link btw.

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just in case anyone was considering reading it

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I suspect that the impedence mismatch between his brain and the dull schoolboy's was too much to properly match

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decimation this honestly is never a problem.

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i found teaching idiots (literally, 70ish iq) a lot easier and more palatable than teaching "normal" kids.

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in some environments, intelligence is a curse. you get just smart enough to be unvanquishibly dumb.

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yeah, I guess I can see that. one would be more fustrated with the kid who seems to be able to get it, not the kid who is on the short bus

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Hmm.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497

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Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.

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decimation moreover, the "smart" kid has all sorts of shit figured out

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like, say, "what is a number"

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asciilifeform dumb kids in opressive environments grow up into these most adorable adults.

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it's only in the us that they are obnoxious enough to throw in the fire.

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adorable!?!?!

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yes.

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dog emulator?

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not quite.

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Intelligence can be found on so many different levels though.

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asciilifeform: Ferret emulator

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im unequal to the task of explainign this one

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Maryjane depends what you mean by that.

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In movement of people who don't talk at all

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asciilifeform: Not quite dog, too independent, insufficienlty clever for dog

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BingoBoingo no.

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They exist though

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you familiar with the scott story about their braveheart guy in a cave with a spider ?

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No???

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guy in a cave with a spider, spider trying to do whatever shit and failing and trying again

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a dozen fucking times

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eventually manages

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goes out of cave beats the shit out of the brits.

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there's something adorable about people who can't do things but keep trying endlessly.

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dogs don't do that. spiders do. apparently some mice.

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sphex wasp.

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famously.

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That's like me and heavy lifting.

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http://www.personalityresearch.org/evolutionary/sphexishness.html

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Genetic Determinism--Sphexishness

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there is an 'uncanny valley' between 'competent - will deliver' and 'hilariously inept'

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aha. yeah.

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It amuses everyone but myself

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C:

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Ah, that's why the scotties prefer their almost manul

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decimation hilarity washes out after the say 100th attempt.

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who doesn't love the story of sisyphus.

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As native mascot

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<asciilifeform> who doesn't love the story of sisyphus. << Sisyphus

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well sure.

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ha

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Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3H210ZH.txt )

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!b 3

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!up agorecki

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agorecki

Hmm?

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agorecki: What is there to ponder you have voice and Obola has sweating blood?

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agorecki

Obola?

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BigBitz: according to camus, sisyphus did love it

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BingoBoingo: ^^

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i often refer to folks doing what sisyphus did, as 'syzzing'

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concept is so often met with, it deserves a name.

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the futility of wiping your ass so perfectly when you're just going to take a shit tomorrow

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Lol

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asciilifeform: one runs into sisyphean tasks often in computer programming

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I felt like sisyphus at my last job. But lifting 50lbs for 14 hrs isn't jolly work. Every time I grabbed one box there was another.

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at least the boxes were moving for a purpose.

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!up Maryjane

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The pursuit of my bosses business. He was weird.

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Strange man.

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what sort of business was he in?

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Bees. He didn't like to bathe. I recall him saying "I like to stink. :)"

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lol wittgenstein designed a house in Vienna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Wittgenstein "I am not interested in erecting a building, but in [...] presenting to myself the foundations of all possible buildings." —Ludwig Wittgenstein[4]

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Haus Wittgenstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I thought it was fascinating how such an intelligent strange person didn't like to feel clean. Lol.

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Beyond me.

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;;ticker

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;;isup trilema.com

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trilema.com is up

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not4me

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;;isup qntra.net

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qntra.net is up

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;;isupthedrinkingrecord.com

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Error: "isupthedrinkingrecord.com" is not a valid command.

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;;isup thedrinkingrecord.com

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thedrinkingrecord.com is down

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http://deadspin.com/meanwhile-theyve-busted-out-the-tear-gas-in-morgantown-1648133309

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Meanwhile, They've Busted Out The Tear Gas In Morgantown

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^ West Fucking Virginia

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http://qntra.net/2014/10/moopay-goes-from-robusto-to-busto/ difficult to give a shit about these altcoin scams

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Moopay Goes From Robusto To Busto | Qntra.net

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;;isup qntra.net

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qntra.net is up

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Gateway Timeout: can't connect to remote host

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fine here RagnarDanneskjol

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hmm

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you might need to check your browser settings and/or reset your modem

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yea doin it

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Maybe consult the Manul? http://www.earthtouchnews.com/media/179015/06_02_2014_manul_Pallass-cat_1_GalleryLarge.jpg

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%d

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[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 327909.24 in 23 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -82.54

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docker is becoming a huge thing

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ben_vulpes knows his trends

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too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable

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<Maryjane> Beyond me. <<< meet rms sometime.

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was your boss affraid of cacti ?

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mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable <<, but whatevs.

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its rapidly being supported by a lot of varying devs

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for example, did you know the windows 10 team is adopting fixes for ntoskrnl to make it work with docker?

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its p huge, they never do things like that with the kernel. drivers maybe

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vmware is also moving towards support for docker when they were adamant about it for months prior to the switcharoo

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about avoiding it, that is

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mats_cd03: So What is docker exactly is it like a FreeBSD Jail a decade late or... Closer to something like Zen?

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http://azure.microsoft.com/blog/2014/10/15/new-windows-server-containers-and-azure-support-for-docker/

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New Windows Server containers and Azure support for Docker | Microsoft Azure Blog

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http://ir.vmware.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=867568

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VMware Teams With Docker, Google and Pivotal to Simplify Enterprise Adoption of Containers (NYSE:VMW)

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its basically OpenVZ and Solaris

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mats_cd03: Does Docker have DTrace?

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Solaris has had Zones for some time

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Yes, I played with SOlaris zones and dtrace in 2004 on shitty computer lab printer

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Printer because the computers were reset every day at midnight

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Printer kept hours closer to my own

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i don't know if it does, thats a good question

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Solaris Zones are about as similar to BSD Jails though as Ext4 is to HAMMER@

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*HAMMER2

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DTrace does a lot

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mats_cd03 odd how that works ?

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ben_vulpes why do you like it again ?

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SystemTap works at some level

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mircea_popescu: the wheel being reinvented?

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mats_cd03 no, sudden adoption of stuff.

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like, systemv.

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"o hey guise, now that the bitcoin crowd has headshot'd our openssl holes, please everyone fuck up their init!"

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thats an interesting perspective.

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BingoBoingo: theres also sysdig, which is a relatively new thing.

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;;google sysdig github

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draios/sysdig · GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig>; Home · draios/sysdig Wiki · GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig/wiki>; How to Install Sysdig from the Source Code · draios/sysdig ... - GitHub: <https://github.com/draios/sysdig/wiki/How-to-Install-Sysdig-from-the-Source-Code>

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mats_cd03: I feel safer running good ole Microsoft Xenix

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its really incredible the kinds of things you can do with one liners in sysdig.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7568175

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Sysdig vs DTrace vs Strace: a technical discussion | Hacker News

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7705443

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Fishing for Hackers: Analysis of a Linux Server Attack | Hacker News

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https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/523694007856406528 hilarious

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/bitxbitxbitcoin /S_Murphy_PhD and /sovryntech help market and promote ponzi schemes http://t.co/cr6m7fuUuq

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Caleb Chen is an embarrassment.

~ 59 minutes ~

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but -- digging nevertheless.

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<mircea_popescu> through which metaphore i am suggesting, of course, that coders are whores and money is a penis. << btc today, equity in thing of value mebbe tomorrow...

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how are you to fight the usg thusly?

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mats_cd03, me?

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heh - guy asks for +v, how can i say no

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http://www.dbpia.co.kr/Journal/ArticleDetail/3512233

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.<br> : s

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[Multi-connection system for online game service continuity]

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kakobrekla: I thought you banned me proper

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it seems i'm indentured

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just my luck

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http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/norway-amazing-new-abstract-currency/1QrSsKTl4AHjoKZsGAo61L/story.html << this is gonna wind up like stamps, feds'll have to come up with creative schemes to keep 'em relevant

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AMAZING COMPANY!

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Norway’s amazing new abstract currency - Ideas - The Boston Globe

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17951 @ 0.00073845 = 13.2559 BTC [+] {2}

08:52

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RagnarDanneskjol creates news alert for'amazign'

08:57

are they plastic? can they go in the sauna?

~ 19 minutes ~

09:17

what about a submarine? get on at the dock?

09:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tko1G6XRiQ

~ 22 minutes ~

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3fd4nE8OCI

09:57

hi Adlai

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whats new?

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Adlai navigates the shoals of impending employment

09:58

ooh nice, big moneys?

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lol

09:59

my main purpose in life these days is working on my open source library, my secondary purpose is not to starve. the trick is to juggle the two purposes properly.

10:00

not starving is an excellnt goal

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it's a shitty one if all you do while not starving is waste oxygen

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btw if i haven't spammed it at you yet, i'm working on http://github.com/adlai/scalpl if this is the kind of thing that interests you

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adlai/scalpl GitHub

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yes i remember this now

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dont get lost among the slaves

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also don;t aspire to only et unborn sturgeon

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u w0t

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belugar caviar

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it isn't the be all and end all

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having caviar as table salt is not part of my requirements for "not starve"

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you might wanna include it as a sometimes food

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exactly

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hm? you must be talking to my ignore list.

10:08

Vexual might want to sort that out then :)

10:08

you got some nice work there Adlai

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https://github.com/adlai/sykobot - heh

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adlai/sykobot GitHub

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that is some old shit

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i se that. who else is using scalpl to yor knowledge?

10:09

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3913 @ 0.00073868 = 2.8905 BTC [+]

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http://github.com/sykopomp/sheeple <- most nicest work i've done. syko and i stopped working on it because we thought nobody would ever actually use it, turns out today several people are using it "professionally"

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sykopomp/sheeple GitHub

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what does it do?? the readme is a bit spergie

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hmm cool. kind of weird I'm the only one who's forked scalpl to date... thought it would be a lot moar popular by now

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RagnarDanneskjol: me, and a friend is planning on using it in a hedge fund sometime soon, and has been running it on a bit of personal money to test the waters until the fund goes live.

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oh wow. sounds awesome - and scary

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need a brain?

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although the most correct answer to your question is "me", since in it's current form it still kinda requires me to manually set it up

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lol

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ok

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so now that you've forked it, what's next? :D

10:15

ahitty graphix

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+Vexual | need a brain? « the more the merrier, provided that you're an "adder" and not a "divider" :)

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give me something thats not and api

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i reverse engineer code mostly, find out what makes it tick.. thats about the extent of my interest in the coding world. I'm an rf hardware guy

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enoparse: "and api"

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lol

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kakobrekla wonders how long does it take for Adlai to ignore the noise hole.

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i'm hoping to have scalpl as usable as the average unix utility by the end of the month

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very nice

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Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money

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ie, you'll still need to rtfm/s and configuration will require editing textual config files

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Adlai tends to /ignore in his brain, not in his IRC client

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* | Vexual concede it'll be immediately after he takes my money << the beauty of scalpl's design is that you don't have to give me your money to use it, although you do have to trust the exchange which you choose to use

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ill give you money anyway, just to be a cunt

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nevertheless the question remains.

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right now, the answer is "until the guy who's supposed to call me, calls me"

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RagnarDanneskjol: are you interested in using scalpl once it's at that level?

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hedge fund on kraken?

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the user configures pretty much everything about how it interprets the market, my goal is for this to essentially be a trading slave which you can teach your algorithms and then sip martinis while it trades away

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kakobrekla checks if its 1st of april.

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mnope

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emphasis on "planning"

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again - I just deconstruct these things for research/amusement purposes.. no plans to 'do anything' with code really. I have a day job that keeps my too busy, any fre time is for ma doggies

10:24

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19147 @ 0.0007395 = 14.1592 BTC [+]

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at no point in history has the total AUM of all running scalpl instances exceeded $10K

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you gather stats remotley?

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ya - how do you know

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no. so that's the AUM of all scalpl instances which i have configured myself, but i highly doubt that there are any others.

10:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17156 @ 0.00073672 = 12.6392 BTC [-] {3}

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nevertheless all and sundry are happy on their own

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kraken aint no shit

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my main reason for using kraken for developement is their minimum order size of 0.01 euro, which means i can risk a lot less capital

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yeah man, kudos

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love abounds

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(the smaller the minimum order relative to your capital, the more steps in your martingale)

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kraken has a casino now?

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er no. martingale relates to general probabilistic theory, is used in predictive trading systems, not just dice games derp

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are yuo in out every pip?

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probability theory even*

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"in out every pip"?

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grunty grunty

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wrt casinos... the market is just one big decentralized casino

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yeah well

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investing is more than "just gambling", but some derivatives are structured in a way which makes them more like a fancy roulette wheel than "investing"

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/19/trolls-two-years-prison_n_6009926.html

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Trolls To Get Up To Two Years In Prison Under New Laws, Chris Grayling Announces

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why not just two minutes in sunlight

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be humane

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because you suck and you should feel bad

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if i'd wanted comeback i'd have asked your mother to spit in a cup

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writing a trading bot is easily top five most trite and boring

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Adlai is getting PM requests to !up people, can he even do that?

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go on and try

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try

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!up yours

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lol

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now ere playing snakes and ladders

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lol, 'assbot: You voiced yours for 30 minutes.'

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mats_cd03 http://pastebin.com/zBaBdkF5

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10:49:39 <Freeenodeadmin> up me 10:50:29 <mats_cd03> 5 bitcents for up 10:50:3 - Pastebin.com

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds

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Adlai should've offered 4

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but i'm not a trading bot

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obiously not

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Adlai if you can up yourself you can up others

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right, the next question was whether i want to up pm spammers

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mats_cd03: thats illegal!

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killing people is illegal

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.oO( !up for monies, any old pm will do )

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lol

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Adlai you can always !drown

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Adlai drowns in python so he has relevant things to say in this upcoming call

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talk perl

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python in general is OK, the problem is other people's python...

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there may be only one way to do it, but they must've missed the memo

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!s encabulator

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3 results for 'encabulator' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=encabulator

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all those unpythonic pythonistas. surely the end of the neighbourhood.

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you might find it helpful

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bounce is holding out for WOM-driven encabulators for the digital age

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20266 @ 0.0007395 = 14.9867 BTC [+]

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Adlai orders a copy of Blumenstein et al

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anyway Adlai if its newcomers asking for up politely, i dont see why not.

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kakobrekla: ok, but this was the same guy spamming mats_cd03

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shes not gonna call

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in that case use ignore :p

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:)

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PinkPosixPXE +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00073924 = 2.6613 BTC [-]

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!up CryptoGoon

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eh

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!up CryptoKitten

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ty

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see, all you had to do is /nick femalenick

11:41

You feature of bitcoin ticker, if you haven't seen it yet : You can replay timeframes now. http://bitcointicker.co/replay/bitstamp/

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Bitcoin Ticker - bitstamp

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s/You/new

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kakobrekla: yea I noticed that worked out for me well

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CryptoGoon

thnx

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lol you two confuse the shit out of me

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You'd think the Pink prefix on the other would elude to my gender, but perhaps it's not girly enough

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though that was never the motive :)

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wait arent you sysadmin?

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or was that someone else

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that was me

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and who is CryptoGoon ?

11:47

;;gettrust assbot CryptoGoon

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoGoon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoGoon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoGoon | Rated since: never

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;;gettrust assbot CryptoKitten

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never

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hrm.. I am authed

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;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoKitten]

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Currently authenticated from hostmask CryptoKitten!~PinkPixie@ec2-54-86-70-168.compute-1.amazonaws.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PinkPosixPXE: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PinkPosixPXE | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PinkPosixPXE | Rated since: never

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;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoGoon]

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Error: You provided an empty string as argument. Your command: ;;gettrust assbot [ident CryptoGoon].

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yea figured it might be the nick

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I DID NOT!

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;;rate gribble -1 liar

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Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

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haha

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I thought if I grouped this nick in nickserv gribble might link their auth status, but that was probably ambitious.

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;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 -assets voice

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Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.

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;;gettrust CryptoKitten

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WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user PinkPosixPXE to user CryptoKitten: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=PinkPosixPXE&dest=CryptoKitten | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CryptoKitten | Rated since: never

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bah

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should be able to up yourself now

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Thank you kakobrekla :)

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yw

11:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0007395 = 8.6522 BTC [+]

11:59

[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.17334305 BTC to 16`335 shares, 7183 satoshi per share

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12:16

!up CryptOprah

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just cause

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<mats_cd03> too bad nobody wants to talk about how its horridly vulnerable << well enlighten my derpy ass

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buttstamp guys that got 10mio funding for their exchange a while back invested part of that in https://cubesensors.com

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CubeSensors - Improving indoor living

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kakobrekla: lol, 'x10' is back!

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hrm?

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and - 'house sensors' are a 'dismal science.'

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phototransistor sensor won't light a room. air quality sensor won't remove pollution. thermometer won't heat the house. hygrometer won't remove humidity. 'shake sensor' won't shoot intruders. etc

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but idiots can Feel 1inf0rm3d!!!11!.

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yeah but whats x10

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x10 << heavily-spamvertized and hyped system of 'home automation' gizmos

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(mainly in usa)

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ah ok

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i was like is ascii telling me something in binary and i have to guess the first bit ??

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lol

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mircea_popescu, mats_cd03: ease of dependency management, resource isolation, cognitive overhead. i'm dumb and have to deal with crazy complex legacy shit that's most expediently put into 'containers for poor and time constrained engineers'.

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for instance, different versions of the python imaging library for different services.

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i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems.

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asciilifeform is reminded of a recent trip to a hardware store, where he saw an entire rack of different kinds of 'duct tape', of nominally greater and greater strengths.

12:51

related to asciilifeform's "must fit in head" problem

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and related to 'which python'

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hm digitalocean doesn't even bsd

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vultr has freebds

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its a do copy

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there aren't fancy exploits, just more of the same risks as before

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and roughly as easy to shoot self in head.

12:54

would you enumerate the risks?

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just a few years ago i was building wafer hosts - there is much i don't know about websec.

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LXC has been battle tested for a few years. containers, decades. seccomp is available in the LXC driver, but not in libcontainer. so, the same risks as before -- arbitrary execution of kernel code. leaking to other containers, lack of fine-grained access to devices (in the works, i belieb)

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mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm,

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i forget the rest.

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riskspace is foreign code on box, exploits of running processes from outside world?

12:57

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52690 @ 0.00074031 = 39.0069 BTC [+] {5}

12:58

security is keeping it simple maaan

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as usual, yeah.

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hope i'm making sense here... still haven't had coffee yet.

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i'm getting the gist.

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people struggle with the security practices that result from the way LXC works

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e.g. https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/6616

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Docker security approach encourages privileged containers Issue #6616 docker/docker GitHub

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i'm still learning how docker works, though, so if i'm wrong here people should chime in and tell me so

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it's been a decent tool for hacking mud, that's about all i know.

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toshi.io uses docker

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00074074 = 5.6296 BTC [+]

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but I dunno how much anyone really trusts coinbase

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obviously no person in the world today can claim their system is unbroken.

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kakobrekla: one can claim, but there's a trilema for that :P

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:p

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coinbase << the folks who delay transactions to help you get shafted optimally?

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yet they are still not profitable

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only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit'

13:30

as it stays open - someone is paying.

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pile of money to burn through i suspekt

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http://forums.funtoo.org/index.php?/topic/13-new-systemd-dependencies << and yet more phun with systemd.

13:56

New systemd dependencies - Portage Help - Funtoo Linux

13:59

'Personnel will not be issued a weapon as weapons are not authorized in

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Liberia. The U.S. Embassy, in coordination with UNMIL, does not allow U.S. military to

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carry weapons in Liberia. Personnel are authorized to bring small knives into Liberia

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provided it is packed in their checked luggage.'

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( http://cryptome.org/2014/10/africom-reporting.pdf )

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[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.73746100 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 325 satoshi per share

13:59

ergo >>> u.s. soldiers sent to the hot zone will be enforcing obola quarantines by... asking politely.

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14:15

http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/mastercard-zwipe-fingerprint-contactless-payment-153837

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Mastercard Launches Fingerprint-Enabled Credit Card

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because fingerprints are totally better than passwords. much more seekrit.

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bounce wonders if mastercard will stump up the costs for fingerprint surgery in case of fingerprint-theft, or they'll rather just burn the customer instead

14:18

Apocalyptic

that's a relevant question

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this is ancient history:

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one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept

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that is, the chump can once again be presumed guilty of fraud if he dares to contest a charge, just like in the 'bad old days.'

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burden of proof (to impossible degree) will be on the chump, to show that his fingerprint was lifted.

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rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding

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now, visa and mastercard aren't banks, but they work for banks. which then gives the lie to the premise that banks are safe places for money (or valuables, for that matter) and as such are worthy of the customer's trust

14:26

reminds me of the episode of south park where they frame michael jackson

14:27

didnt the whole fingerprint thing get destroyed recently with iPhone lift?

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chetty: much earlier than that

14:27

the sausage experiment.

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yeah, but that was recent repeat, I guess no one was paying attention

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think of it this way, if fingerprint is your password, you're leaving a 'stickynote' with your password on nearly everything you touch.

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beaten as early as 2002. http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm

14:28

or the brasilian doctors with latex fingers. or the aussie kids with gummi bears. or schaeuble's fingerprints in datenschleuder. or various other demonstrations.

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assbot :(

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chetty has low skin oil, they have a hard time getting prints when I go thru immigration :P

14:30

then there's the "yes but we added sensors to check you're alive" -- that doesn't help you once this happens: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm

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BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Malaysia car thieves steal finger

14:30

its pretty funny actually, really annoys those folks that expect the fingerprint scanners to work :)

14:31

chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.

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bounce: not so easy to 'check for life'

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fingers to make it unchangeable, technology to make it infallible. perfect combination, no?

14:31

'it was your print, therefore it was you, now shuddup'

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even if it was easy, it's pointless

14:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26014 @ 0.00074074 = 19.2696 BTC [+]

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engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think.

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the purpose of biometrics is to protect the system against -you-, rather than you against sc4mz0rz.

14:33

they think?

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fish swim?

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engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box.

14:35

well to be fair some of them think, but mostly with their bellies and other body parts

14:38

asciilifeform: the 'weapons will not be issued' link is hilarious

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bounce didn't find much

14:39

my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg

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they do not care if they actually, in physical reality, work. only that the results are considered prima facie evidence that whatever Officially happened - happened.

14:41

fits with the rest of the evidence about the other systems deployed by parties using this

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this is why you see fp readers at usg facilities, in consumer finance, iPnohes, etc.

14:42

asciilifeform: there's an even deeper truth there - the reality is that usg doesn't have the 'People' needed to determine actual truth

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so all they can do is make a cardboard cutout robot of a 'person'

14:42

corollary: since parties deploying this are out to get you, not help you, they should be avoided. or neutralised.

14:42

in as far as the crown goes, 'actual truth' is a matter between you and your gods

14:43

feh. they have the people. they're just wasting resources on big large expensive machines that go 'ping'. they /could/ be hiring people for that money, but they're not.

14:43

true, but at least in the early days the king's men would go out and hear cases, and judge them as they saw fit

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to the point of buying massive amounts of machinery then _leaving much of it crated in storage_

14:44

the 'king's justice' has been watered down to "present your id card"

14:44

bounce: they employ plenty of warm bodies, very few people

14:44

on a somewhat lighter note, compare "state of the art" datacentres with biometric access measures.

14:45

thing is, modern 'rights states' (see some of mircea_popescu's pieces) create a problem - various 'rights' are Officially proclaimed, that, were they actually exercised en masse, would make the entire scamatron collapse overnight.

14:45

bounce: that's glitz that's designed to sell space

14:45

'unprincipled exceptions' (no you don't get to cross the street if the Fuhrer is within 1km) only go so far.

14:46

here's a little mindfuck, for those still awake:

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bounce already had the hunch that we'd be better off with a lot less "rights", but with the ones we do have, properly observed.

14:46

asciilifeform: and when the masses try to call the government to deliver on their promises (revolutionary France) everything collapses

14:47

there were studies which appear to show that fingeprints are not, in fact, as unique as popularly believed

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obligatory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield

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Brandon Mayfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties

14:48

and actual trials where this fact was brought in - and always the crown's side would proclaim - 'this is not a fact because simply inconceivable, law and order would collapse.'

14:48

http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20140808/misis-mess-new-lausd-computer-system-falters

14:48

MiSiS Mess: New LAUSD computer system falters

14:48

hehe. did the judge fall for that ploy?

14:48

what do you think.

14:49

list a few of those trials?

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asciilifeform digs

14:49

bounce: the purpose of the security around the president is so the bureaucrats who really run usg can demonstrate their enthusiasm for the current symbol-in-chief

14:49

take the story with a grain of salt, perhaps i hallucinated it. if anyone can find the documents in question, post here.

14:49

on the subject of trials, my research is going swimmingly. roughly 20% finished.

14:49

noteworthy is that in the 100+ years fingerprinting has been in use, there's been something like one limited study (30k fingerprints or so), and that's it.

14:50

;;google fingerprints not unique

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Why your fingerprints may not be unique - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10775477/Why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique.html>; Law enforcement myth exposed: Fingerprints are not unique ...: <http://www.naturalnews.com/044876_fingerprints_law_enforcement_forensic_science.html>; Is Fingerprint Evidence Sound Science? - ABC News: (1 more message)

14:50

'justice is incidental to law and order.' (j. e. hoover, famously)

14:51

"The FBI described the fingerprint match as "100% verified". According to the court documents in judge Ann Aiken's decision, this information was largely "fabricated and concocted by the FBI and DOJ". When the FBI finally sent Mayfield's fingerprints to the Spanish authorities, they contested the matching of the fingerprints from Brandon Mayfield to the ones associated with the Madrid bombing."

14:51

http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm

14:51

The Myth of Fingerprints

14:51

all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch

14:52

what judge, in what 20th c. totalitarian state tendril (which is 100% of planet earth as we speak) would dare disagree?

14:53

fingerprints are part of the general 'forensics' pseudoscience that is used as an aid in reducing the number of thinking people required to throw a chump in the gulag

14:53

too few, but I won't wager it'll be zero

14:53

well as soon as there is fingerprint evidence on someone they want to get off

14:53

nah then they magick it away.

14:53

or produce same, for a scapegoat.

14:54

asciilifeform: after all, only experts can make the right 'match'

14:54

fingerprints work reasonably well as criminal corrobating evidence. as soon as that gets forgotten that the matching is taken as a binary guilty decision, then we have guaranteed miscarriages of justice all over

14:55

and not simply a device for fooling jury (not all jurisdictions have jury trials) but for eliciting confession through intimidation (as 'lie detector' was once used for)

14:55

'lie detector' is still used for this purpose against usg employees

14:55

or, as the case may be, fraud with cards and such

14:55

oh yes, the fbi is still the biggest lie detector fanclub, possibly after scientology

14:56

which means of course that everyone who works for the fbi is a 'believer'

14:56

not necessarily, just willing to undergo the sacrament.

14:56

(see mp's piece on 'methodism')

14:56

jajajaja sacrament, good way of putting it

14:57

to climb up you may have to be a believer

14:57

the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.)

14:58

asciilifeform: yeah but the very least the ses brass and their 'internal affairs' folks are believers (or at least unwilling to pretend otherwise)

14:58

bounce: it is not really necessary to believe in anything to 'climb up.' in fact, it would seriously get in the way.

14:58

they apparently have more intelligent commentary on their own scripture than, oh, islam, or even christianity

14:59

http://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2014/09/sead-polygraph/

14:59

DNI Issues Directive on Polygraph Policy

15:00

james "least untrue" clapper, wasn't it?

15:00

asciilifeform: 'carry out the program' << yup.

15:00

asciilifeform: I suspect what's really the case is that once they have gotten to the 'top' bureaucrats come to appreciate their 'right' to interrogate their workforce at will

15:01

can't speak to the hasids or historically, but definitely in my experience.

15:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00073891 = 8.0541 BTC [-]

15:01

incidentally, 'trial by ordeal' - in particular, methods which involve functions of the parasympathetic nervous system, e.g., hot coals or modern 'lie detector' - are ancient.

15:02

I suspect it helps reinforce the 'us vs. them' thing

15:02

and to the degree that there is a function, it is to select for 'cold psychopath' (or whatever the fashionable term for the beast is.)

15:03

asciilifeform: I agree that's the end effect, but in a supposedly 'democratic' government the idea is terrifying

15:04

interestingly I don't think the kgb used polygraphs very much

15:04

http://www.governmentattic.org/6docs/FBI-Monogtaph-SovietUsePolygraph_1981.pdf

15:04

decimation: much of the effect can be accomplished through lower-tech 'human' methods instead.

15:05

afaik most of the use was in order to familiarize men with a torment the enemy was fond of using.

15:05

yeah makes sense

15:06

i'd imagine modern ru has adopted the ritual. just the same as 'everything western' was lifted, for good or ill, in the '90s.

15:06

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16225 @ 0.00073866 = 11.9848 BTC [-] {2}

15:08

lol "As Western intelligence services continued to register successes with the polygraph as a counterintelligence tool, Soviet propaganda on polygraph machines changed from "bourgeois hoaxes" to (tested research devices.)

15:09

*

asciilifeform favours the return of hot coals - cheaper, more effective, more picturesque.

15:09

or the variant where they lick red-hot iron.

15:10

a 'modernized' version of above could have candidates grasp a live wire for a second.

15:10

but asciilifeform - they would lose their excellent taste!

15:10

only if fail.

15:11

perfect, the witch trials, only the innocent drown

15:12

I guess the leidenfrost effect would protect you if done correctly

15:12

not entirely the same thing (though usually presented as similar)

15:12

the coals, red iron, lie detector - actually measure parasympathetic nervous response to stress etc

15:12

decimation: yes.

15:16

asciilifeform: amusing book http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/

15:16

"The Secret Team, The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World"

~ 21 minutes ~

15:38

I don't even mind fingerprints as such that much -- when used as corroborating evidence established by an expert -- but wholesale fingerprinting of everyone for essentially no reason ("passing customs") and automated "matching" is an enabler for insidious systemic malice that really is a problem on its own.

~ 16 minutes ~

15:54

oookay, who wants to code a website for me ?

15:54

mee mee

15:55

<html><head><title>website</title></head><body>[insert text here</body></html>

15:55

there you go

15:55

you serious ? i didn't know you could code...

15:55

bounce that's a html page. not quite the same.

15:55

just a website? is it an app...

15:56

well, "websites" typically consiste of "webpages", so yeah.

15:58

"who wants to make me a car ?" "here's a thing" "mmmkay" "no srsly, cars consist of things"

15:59

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9806 @ 0.00073807 = 7.2375 BTC [-]

15:59

then you should say "I want functioning car. Ready to drive"

15:59

"No assembly required"

15:59

so what is a website then, but a collection of pages, possibly numbering but one page? in fact, just one page (with loads of unnecessary javascript) is currently the trendy thing

16:00

jesus #bitcoin-philosophee

16:00

nah, just sloppy spec. care to tighten it up?

16:00

once i hire someone, yes. spec's all in my head.

16:01

ok. what sort of skills do you expect will be needed to "code" the things that go into making your car?

16:02

well, just like with every one so far. the ability to roll a bot, the ability to handle gpg logins, produce webpages and maintain a database.

16:02

mp_requirements.h

16:02

mircea_popescu: what's this ?

16:02

i ain't tellin!

16:02

ehe.

16:02

but it's no big deal.

16:03

deedbot v3

16:03

nope.

16:03

where'd v2 go

16:03

*

kakobrekla just trollin

16:03

it is entirely unrelated to deedbot, which from what i understand punkman's almost done with anyway.

16:03

are ya p ?

16:04

this sounds like a multiperson job ~_~

16:04

then we need better persons.

16:04

the minimum bar for b-a coders is, persons for whom this is a one person job.

16:05

*

bounce idly wonders whether a basic heroku instance can be made to maintain an irc connection.

16:05

but then you'd run into the gpg requirement

16:05

is mpex a one person job ._.

16:06

thestringpuller i did not say "secure bitcoinz"

16:06

"but its just an app"

16:06

or some shit

16:06

totally.

16:07

oh i know what it is

16:07

bounce bot is supy anyway, proly best run a python back-end and interface with gpg in it

16:07

you are building a ddos magnet!

16:07

but then again, i'm not known to argue about technical choices with technical leads.

16:07

'this is a one person job' but only mircea_popescu knows which 'this' ... ?

16:08

asciilifeform so far.

16:08

hm, i just poured mineral water all over my box

16:08

*

asciilifeform still waiting for an actual computer offered for btc to which to move 'phuctor'

16:08

should i turn it off now ?

16:09

mircea_popescu: desktop?

16:09

yeh

16:09

well floortop

16:09

nah

16:09

what the hell happened to machine-for-btc outfits anyway

16:09

even one remains?

16:10

or is this one of those 'you can't buy coffee with diamonds' affairs ?

16:10

!up piznit

16:10

asciilifeform apparently sysadmining is also poorly specified or somthin'.

16:10

lol

16:10

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-atm-map/

16:10

Bitcoin ATM Map - Find Your Nearest Bitcoin ATM

16:10

supposedly?

16:11

http://cr.yp.to/talks/2014.10.18/slides-djb-20141018-a4.pdf

16:11

kakobrekla: are these 'bitcoin atm' or simply usg meatprint collectors ?

16:11

usg interested in euro bills?

16:12

kakobrekla: map seems to include usa, hence question

16:12

for usg i cant speak

16:12

usg/usa

16:12

is the log down?

16:12

is it down?

16:12

in eu one can set up 'atm' without demanding any account/kyc/etc crap ?

16:13

!up escu

16:13

up where?

16:13

punkman if you cant open bb and/or logs you might be still banned

16:13

elou. \

16:13

pm me your ip

16:14

ello

16:14

how's you?

16:14

decimation: good link. (though nothing earth-shattering, excellent primer for n00bs)

16:14

grand!

16:14

!s shanti dubai

16:14

2 results for 'shanti dubai' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shanti+dubai

16:15

grand?

16:15

Escu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzFaX5k9H0 << how about her tits.

16:15

Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube

16:15

asciilifeform: yeah for the n00bs, it contains some informations on timing attacks

16:15

grand, is very good.

16:15

mircea_popescu: punkman's almost done with anyway. << aye, but you know things to bake, cunts to bite

16:16

do not bite the cunts!

16:16

that shit hurts

16:16

works for me

16:17

I am not into silicons.

16:17

sowwy

16:17

http://oglaf.com/descent/

hehe

16:17

oglafbot

16:17

Descent

16:19

bite only the dicks.

16:20

that's not nice Escu !

16:23

<asciilifeform> in eu one can set up 'atm' without demanding any account/kyc/etc crap ? < for now it seems: yes

16:24

mircea_popescu: oookay, who wants to code a website for me ? << fired client on friday, interested

16:25

punkman i hold on to it for ye till this deedboit thing's done ?

16:25

sure

16:26

well then stop biting cunts and get to work!

16:28

'Advertise 'cryptographic agility'; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this 'agility' justifes using breakable crypto.'

16:29

( http://cr.yp.to/talks/2014.10.18/slides-djb-20141018-a4.pdf , good piece)

16:30

^

16:30

can it be not a pdf ?

16:30

if somebody wants to clean it

16:31

BingoBoingo if it ends up on qntra, i'd read it.

16:36

needs a bit of editing for the re-rep-repe-repete-repetetive parts

~ 16 minutes ~

16:53

dunno how long it'll last, but for now i can feed USD into 'Lamassu' ATMs in Boston without ID

16:54

i've had difficulty buying more than 1BTC at a time though. it keeps telling me its empty.

16:54

mats_cd03 afaf ?

16:54

lol

16:54

wat

16:55

;;ud afaf

16:55

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Afaf | Afaf. 1) A beautiful green-eyed, fair skin girl with gorgeous dark hair. She is always kind and caring. 2) A women with a beautiful heart and soul. 3) Afaf- Arabic: ...

16:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00073662 = 13.5538 BTC [-]

16:55

asking for a friend?

16:56

haha, next they will prove astrology was right all along: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11171567/Season-of-birth-affects-your-mood-later-in-life.html

16:56

Season of birth affects your mood later in life - Telegraph

16:59

Continues http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-120

16:59

CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But | Qntra.net

17:00

reads like vexual

17:00

http://clarobscur.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tga_0016.jpg << talented kid.

17:00

mats_cd03 "asking for a friend"

17:01

as in,

17:01

'hey guise, how do you make meth in your kitchen ? afaf"

17:02

then again, should I leave the re-repe-repete-etc. stuff in so someone can make a fancy js thingy out of it?

17:02

no.

17:04

i was just thinking... i wonder if in the future the sex domme role and the hacker role will merge,

17:04

and offer "desktop domination services"

17:14

bounce: I'm cutting out the stupid repetition from being a bunch of slides

17:15

you're busy with it? oh well.

17:15

*

bounce leaves off the effort then

17:15

yeah that probably 'worked' better with the speech. I wonder if there's a video?

17:15

you two gotta talk more.

17:17

meh

17:18

I've looked, there's no video that I can find

17:18

it was from the H2HC convention

17:22

ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

17:23

paha

17:23

from the derpotron: https://blocksign.com/

17:23

BlockSign

17:24

let me guess

17:24

no, on second thought... nevermind.

17:28

Here's a decent thread that provides some of the cliff notes, and main points (based on some of the viewer's/reader's interpretation) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427

17:28

Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] | Hacker News

17:28

blocksign << aha let's have a 'keybase' variant of 'deedbot.' haha.

17:29

PinkPosixPXE could it not be pdf ?

17:30

ah i guess you meant the comments huh.

17:30

I've searched far and wide, only a pdf version of his slides, I imagine they were just markers for him. But the commentary in the thread, specifically the first user, bullet points some of the main topics.

17:30

Best I could find, no video/recorded broadcast on the H2HC site or anywhere for that matter. :/

17:31

ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly? << clearly, one who "does not understand how the world works", the highest honor said usg can bestow upon people.

17:31

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00073662 = 11.4544 BTC [-]

17:32

Adlai: it's a shitty one if all you do while not starving is waste oxygen <<< oxygen can't really be wasted, it's an atom.

17:32

won't somebody think of the free radicals?

17:33

i suppose that's us ?

17:34

the free radicals ?

17:34

mircea_popescu: http://loper-os.org/pub/bernstein.tar.gz

17:34

mircea_popescu: enjoy

17:39

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427 << gotta love the shitgnomes repeating their mantras of 'it was an accident111!11', 'security is impossibly hard!', 'never roll your own crypto', and other tiresome disinfo.

17:39

Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] | Hacker News

17:40

asciilifeform: interesting chat concept on the front page of that site; is it yours?

17:40

?

17:40

which site

17:40

asciilifeform: loper.os.org

17:40

ah yes, mine.

17:41

bah, close enough on the domain

17:41

o look, asciilifeform named his site after his intended os. like that temple guy!

17:41

that was the original subject, yes

17:41

and yes, it was actually intended to be an os running on off-the-shelf x86-64 hardware.

17:42

*

asciilifeform assumed that everyone who has seen his site, knew this.

17:42

never assume!

17:43

Breaking Opterons do do things they were never intended for

17:43

asciilifeform: are you familiar with r9k?

17:43

I've seen that used elsewhere to improve chat-quality

17:43

?

17:43

your post makes me think about paying for "infractions" rather than per message

17:44

asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration

17:44

you could pay to be un-banned with ever increasing cost

17:44

undata: not the point

17:44

asciilifeform: then what is?

17:45

<undata> asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration << if only this worked.

17:49

assbot: Trolls To Get Up To Two Years In Prison Under New Laws, Chris Grayling Announces <<< aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

17:49

it has about 0 chances of happening, but it'd be pretty cool if it did lmao

17:51

!s promise protocol

17:51

3 results for 'promise protocol' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=promise+protocol

17:52

undata: point of gedankenexperiment was to propose a telegraph which is exactly as strong as bitcoin in every technical aspect.

17:52

from the country that brought us fearsome defamation laws, two kinds of online porn blocking, jail penalties on refusing to hand over your passwords, and, oh hey, anti-social behaviour orders... sure it'll happen, and it'll get used too.

17:52

that is, will operate precisely as intended while the latter does.

17:54

undata: the idea, as described on my site, is deadly-simple - no need for server, you 'speak' by sending btc to an address. others 'hear' by seeing what was sent. if the channel owner (owner of privkey to address) decides that you are persona non grata, you never see your coin again. otherwise, it is sent back after a while.

17:54

asciilifeform: ah yes, I was merely focusing on the social behavior

17:54

I get it

17:55

i am entirely uninterested in any system, however superficially similar, which isn't built on top of actual bitcoin blockchain.

17:55

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00073651 = 15.5772 BTC [-] {2}

17:55

asciilifeform: then you have a positive opinion of using the blockchain for information storage?

17:55

the idea was specifically to show that existing btc protocol is isomorphic to a 'proper chat'

17:55

I've heard people gripe about doing that

17:56

bitcoin should be used for whatever is physically possible.

17:56

if it breaks, it was broken from birth

17:56

as in all software.

17:56

cool, I agree. I've thought it would be a great place to put magnet links, for example

17:56

obligatory: http://niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm

17:56

Software Does Not Fail

17:56

very likely already done

17:57

asciilifeform that's a point. people that hit themselves in the head with a hammer don't write on the accdent report

17:57

"hammer failure"

18:00

wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?!

18:00

we allow she-asseteers now ?!

18:01

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13102 @ 0.00073648 = 9.6494 BTC [-]

18:01

hey, I thought I was named honorary girl yesterday

18:01

undata gayness doesn't last.

18:02

it's the original one night stand.

18:02

so you're saying there's no future for me with Elon, eh?

18:02

tragedy

18:03

you'll always have mars.

18:03

bruno?

18:09

asciilifeform "People like to call books and films and videos "software." They are not sophisticated." << care to explain ?

18:11

<mircea_popescu> wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?! << this was not obvious?

18:11

no

18:12

ben_vulpes no. and wtf is "pink posix pixie" supposed to mean ? that she's not pink in the middle like normal women, but on the forehead ?

18:12

please share your obvious with the group, it's in short supply.

18:12

http://www.last.fm/user/PinkPosixPXE

18:12

PinkPosixPXEs Music Profile Users at Last.fm

18:13

could be dog

18:15

lmao. it's not the girl, it's the dog!

18:23

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45359 @ 0.00073712 = 33.435 BTC [+] {4}

18:27

ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems. << i guess.

18:29

mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?

18:30

!up Escu

18:30

the text

18:30

now

18:31

lmao bitch.

18:31

567f290e

18:31

bite me

18:31

so I suppose to write that on my tits?

18:31

ON MY TITS"?

18:31

sure.

18:32

I dont like that combination

18:32

disobedient sluts get devoiced.

18:32

would it be better if it started with 'e' and continued with '567f290' ?

18:32

asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit' << ahaha this'll be fun

18:33

forgive me my wanna be master, can you give me other combination?

18:33

kakobrekla why ?

18:33

because that text will look uhly

18:33

different combination no?

18:33

ugly

18:33

lol.

18:34

Escu beauty is a burgeois lie anyway.

18:34

the combination, please my |Master.

18:35

I dont like that

18:35

i like e

18:35

v

18:35

w

18:35

y

18:35

3

18:35

8

18:35

!down Escu

18:35

internets...

18:36

internets internets everywhere and not a drop to drink

18:36

bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding << not succeeding in any sense

18:37

one of the numerous categorical things bitcoin is doing is making such ploys impossible. pre bitcoin, they could have tried to squeeze the market.

18:37

now, they'd just make us richer.

18:39

bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box. <<< yeah, it's not the job of the engineer to think.

18:41

*: bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties <<< doh.

18:43

bounce: all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch << you have to understand that pious fraud was a lot more fashionable in 1914 than it is today

18:43

part of the reason is post structuralism and deconstructivism. the other part is the internet.

18:44

in any case, most of the stuff justice relies on to function is actually broken and couldn't stand scrutiny. ironically, the older it is, the more apt it is regarded by the amply conservative mechanism of justice ; yet the more likely to be flawed irretrievavbly

18:44

as anything made by men who are not cool enough to live with cocksucking sluts is suspect.

18:45

and so... fingerprints ? lol. but they're being replaced with "dna proof". which IS more selective,

18:45

but it is much less probative, because so easy to contaminate.

18:45

all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything.

18:47

asciilifeform: the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.) << errything's lifted from judaism.

18:52

My dog only gets to IRC on days of the month that are prime.

18:54

the jews seem to be more interested in tradition and ritual than ethics

18:54

the chabads anyway

18:54

what's ethics anyway.

18:54

PinkPosixPXE so is that you in the pic, actually ?

18:55

the "law" of torah

18:55

unclear wtf it means tho.

18:56

No, it's a girl I captured in a parking lot, and stuffed in my basement...

18:56

i think jesus was unclear as well, and that's why he signed a new contract with verizon

18:56

i mean god

18:57

PinkPosixPXE for elon ?

18:57

https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 << holy shit, i made like a bitcoin selling trilema this month.

18:57

Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

18:58

im fucking rich

19:07

i need to re-up soon i think

19:08

omg Blair's Death Rain Habanero Pepper Chips -- totally unnecessary

19:11

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=utC6fyVC

19:11

hehe

19:11

(found it on google, i swear)

19:15

also, the lucky winner is mp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881402

19:15

Logged on 18-10-2014 00:09:52; kakobrekla: maybe this one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#884000

19:21

lol!

19:22

rigged

19:24

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v49lnd_73_Y/VDHAes4mE-I/AAAAAAAAY2Q/LHk8IEy65Sw/s1600/10717441_1484100085207702_1335939171_n.jpg

19:28

is that from the desk piece halfway through an episode of bill maher?

19:28

i gotta tell you i've always been a liberal but the way the left is handling this ebola thing as a race issue makes me fucking crazy

19:28

let africa die

19:29

das racist!

19:30

"Who would Jesus shoot?" << yes.

19:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swvf3w6hcY4

19:31

Let Them DIE!!! - YouTube

19:33

an actual outbreak of ebola in the US would be good for this country, though completely unlikely.

19:34

I'd love to see our system try to grapple with an actual problem.

19:34

i'd love to see the demand for food and fuel plummet

19:35

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00073831 = 14.7662 BTC [+] {2}

19:36

honestly though, people would just assume it was a sign of the end times and double down on irrationality

19:37

;;isup qntra.net

19:37

qntra.net is up

19:37

18:29:29 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?

19:38

no genuine 0days have been publicised

19:38

and if you have a competent sysadmin it does actually make the developers job easier

19:38

;;isup qntra.net

19:38

qntra.net is down

19:39

DDoS round 2 is coming ^.^

19:40

you sure you should be spending your hard earned fry cook dollars on ddos?

19:40

here, have some attention in exchange

19:40

mats_cd03: I believe it was a question of why both docker and vm?

19:40

or if not, I'm asking.

19:41

separate kernel instances

19:41

no, that was the question.

19:42

mircea_popescu: you get that with host/vm, why docker?

19:42

* mats_cd03 ^

19:43

I like docker for managing system state; I'm asking what the security value add is above just using the VM directly.

19:43

even better for "managing system state" would be making the system simpler.

19:44

the VM is for protecting you from docker, nto the other way around

19:44

so basically it's crud.

19:44

its not known to not be crud.

19:44

hasn't existed for long enough.

19:44

mircea_popescu: docker does run the risk of merely snapshotting the wad of mess and saying "ok, this wad worked, kind of" rather than actually understanding system state

19:44

no, i odn't mean its actual composition. i mean its design.

19:44

it comes from the cloacal opening of an intestine.

19:45

undata how would a script "understand the system state" once you actually need it to do so ? (ie, you no longer do)

19:45

irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo

19:45

wrong chan sorry

19:46

where's the exit door from the chapel perilous?

19:47

undata: i see no security value add.

19:47

mircea_popescu: You can make changes to a docker by hand, then make an image from that. It's better to stick to your Dockerfile, but you don't have to.

19:47

i see only abstractions that help manage one set of complexities while making more complexities.

19:47

undata:

19:47

http://www.acsac.org/2010/openconf/modules/request.php?module=oc_program&action=view.php&a&id=69&type=2 << the honeymoon effect and the role of legacy code in 0day vulns

19:48

more PDFs, sorry mp.

19:48

ben_vulpes: system config should be built into the OS, and each act of changing it should leave a snail trail

19:48

immutable os when

19:48

all these config management systems are trying to fix the bustedness of linux

19:48

or

19:48

write-tracking os when

19:48

fivezerotwo load average: 0.57, 0.31, 0.31 /me shrugs.

19:49

immutability is one of the design mitigations in docker

19:49

forces devs to do some programming gymnastics with /noexec

19:50

ben_vulpes put it on a read-only flash, immutable enough.

19:50

19:45:29 <+fivezerotwo> irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo << kek

19:51

ben_vulpes: WAL log, postgres-as-OS :p

19:51

;;ident

19:51

CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mats_cd03', with hostmask 'mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None

19:51

mircea_popescu, relax, this will come in waves ;_;

19:51

yeah, that's usually how they come when i'm involved.

19:56

fivezerotwo: planning on targeting me? you've got my attention now

19:56

hm actually

19:56

can you throw all you got at logs and keep it at full as long as you can?

19:56

lmao HEY!

19:56

stop hitting on my ddosfriend!

19:57

i really wonder if host will start to bitch at some point

19:57

absentee host ?

19:58

mhm

19:58

mats_cd03, later ;; kakobrekla digitalocean does at some point, but they are one of the more resilient hosts

19:58

so you are saying a no?

19:58

cause your botnet is too pussy?

19:58

k pm me when you dox

19:59

http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinfloor-to-raise-capital-meanwhile-nefario-has-left/

19:59

lol nefario still alive

20:01

ah thats old stuf

20:01

f

20:03

Namworld

"Nefario" was STILL around?

20:04

don't remember hearing anything or anyone mentioning he left/was pushed from coinfloor

20:04

am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?

20:05

Namworld

I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.

20:06

it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?

20:06

MiniUPnP download zone

20:09

fivezerotwo: youre gonna have to burn a 0day, if you even have access to those, mate

20:09

mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this

20:10

youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets

20:10

fo reals

20:15

so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes

20:16

don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;

20:18

mircea_popescu: As requested http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure/

20:18

Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net

20:22

;;ticker

20:22

Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 387.79, Best ask: 388.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 387.85, 24 hour volume: 3180.14467158, 24 hour low: 385.0, 24 hour high: 394.25, 24 hour vwap: 389.421666807

20:25

space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'

20:26

ty

20:27

fxd

20:31

Nefario said: Once you've been labelled a scammer, people are encouraged to deal with you << lol I missed "not" at first

20:32

missed a not, or not?

20:32

both

20:32

ben_vulpes: you really ned upnp? just axe it in da makefile

20:32

*need

20:33

jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building

20:34

follow its desires?

20:35

you'd prefer to whip it in shape,eventually add -fstack-protector if you got decent compiler

20:39

danke bb

20:40

<Namworld> "Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own

20:41

from marquardt and mccarthy to kenna etc.

20:42

!up jborkl

20:42

Thank you

20:42

<fivezerotwo> so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes <fivezerotwo> mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?

20:42

So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of

20:42

Seems to be

20:43

Bittrader and moolah?

20:43

jborkl: Which ones?

20:43

Moolah's in Doge

20:43

One bankrupted the other , ala week and bitfunder

20:43

Oh

20:43

mircea_popescu: in light of what i previously explained about botnets, it is difficult to calculate the actual value of a particular 0day.

20:43

Ohh, no wonder

20:44

rather like trying to come up with value for stolen painting.

20:44

is it - what owner paid? what the 'fence' will get, on the blackmarket? what the fence will pay you?

20:45

I guess moolah had a codind error that allowed you withdraw double what you deposited

20:45

Coding

20:45

very few people are equipped to safely monetize an 0day in person.

20:45

b-but, he's willing to sign an address with 1000btc in it

20:46

he could've earned it with honest work!

20:46

whatascam

20:46

ill be impressed if he can compromise irccloud and dox me

20:47

what counts as 'dox' ?

20:47

ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

20:47

my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing.

20:47

dick pics

20:48

!up ninjashogun 20:47:42 <ninjashogun> I have an important convo to pastebin with fivezerotwo

20:48

thx

20:48

http://pastebin.com/BjRNZBk1

20:48

<fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm - Pastebin.com

20:48

see bottom 3 lines

20:49

I just notice htat he's also being discussed in channel here now. (Someone pointed this out to me.) At first I assumed MP to have paid for this out of some weird strategy (since I came to MP with a small project recently, maybe he wanted to know if I still needed small amounts of money, etc.) But I thought you guys should see it.

20:49

so i came to the systemd stuff in the lawgs .. and

20:49

;;isup lists.debian.org

20:49

lists.debian.org is down

20:49

^^^

20:49

i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun

20:49

lol dude operates a mixer.

20:50

I was just referring to the bottom lines. <fivezerotwo> im just trolling you dude <fivezerotwo> we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)

20:50

Anyway it's not how anyone does business. Please don't do this.

20:51

Well he's DOS'ing stuff from in here so he's probably getting paid by someone from elsewhere

20:52

nobody would pay anyone to troll me from anywhere except here :)

20:52

anyway this is what I wrote MP on the subject - http://pastebin.com/VHQ4XyzA (via PM just now)

20:52

<ninjashogun> If you have anyhting to do with this (see bottom of conversatoin) - Pastebin.com

20:52

Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?

20:52

I mean other WoT nick?

20:52

man, if hes being paid to troll, 10USD is not nearly enough for a ddos

20:53

(for the record, I just have this one.)

20:53

no, it's nobody from here. as i wrote just above, indices lead to lennart poettering

20:53

"and a ninja like me." haaa

20:53

jurov: !?

20:53

it's revenge for us bashing the systemd

20:53

oh I forgot I wrote that lol but yeah.

20:53

;;isup lists.debian.org

20:53

anyway carry on guys.

20:53

lists.debian.org is down

20:53

!down ninjashogun

20:54

well

20:54

that was painful.

20:54

asciilifeform today's log says debian's supposedly voting to allow compatibility outside systemd

20:54

hence, ddos

20:55

aha

20:55

systemd cancer is pretty advanced though

20:55

%d

20:55

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1496584.23 in 1911 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 218.73

20:55

not enough to simply vote at debian, its tendrils will have to be painfully and surgically excised from 1000 places.

20:55

i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon

20:55

*very

20:58

that? i remain skeptic.

21:00

%p

21:00

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s

21:01

O hai diff drop

21:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19963 @ 0.00073769 = 14.7265 BTC [-] {2}

21:04

woah

21:04

%d

21:04

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1606600.93 in 1900 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 242.16

21:04

pff

21:06

from loltron: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713

21:06

Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One

21:08

%p

21:08

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s

21:08

60+ th/s?

21:08

asciilifeform: "but government guidelines prevent hospitals from using it to actually screen for Ebola." whaaaaa

21:08

Apocalyptic

yeah... the guy is back again

21:08

!s aids test

21:08

2 results for 'aids test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=aids+test

21:08

same deal

21:08

search fail

21:09

same deal re: pocket-sized instant aids tester that fda also banned.

21:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588670

21:10

Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks

21:10

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588705

21:10

Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)

21:11

see remainder of thread.

21:11

"The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."

21:11

wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance?

21:12

usg wants you in one of '3 d-s' - despondent, dependent, or dead.

21:15

asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager

21:15

evidently.

21:15

this is, to an extent, a rerun of the anthrax thing.

21:16

<Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping

21:21

!up technoboy

21:21

technoboy

whats up people how u chillen?

21:22

technoboy

!s bible

21:22

105 results for 'bible' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bible

21:22

!down technoboy

21:23

ferglubssake.

21:25

<mats_cd03> my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.

21:25

it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.

21:26

<assbot> <fivezerotwo> hello <ninjashogun> hi <fivezerotwo> are you looking for investm <<< ahahahaha wut.

21:27

<jurov> hence, ddos << well, correlation, anyway.

21:28

i suppose better dox would be ssn, physical addr, phone number, banking info, and data on people in my RL WoT

21:28

<BingoBoingo> thps ?!?!

21:28

%p

21:28

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s

21:28

could try ruining my credit but i don't care about that

21:28

What it looks like

21:29

%v

21:29

undata> wouldn't... *using the thing* collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!

21:29

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 255 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 193

21:29

!up technoboy

21:29

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20613 @ 0.00073935 = 15.2402 BTC [+]

21:29

o oops my bad

21:30

technoboy

yay i am voiced again ^_^

21:30

technoboy accidentally. don't be stupid again

21:30

id be rly impressed if he could manage dox seeing as how i pay up my bouncer with a prepaid card

21:31

do you even know who you are?

21:31

Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18N41WH.txt )

21:31

!b 2

21:31

not even his wife knows who he is!!!

21:31

that's why she's stuck fucking all comers

21:31

:(

21:31

mats_cd03 not you. someone else.

21:33

i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife

21:35

Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink

21:36

gotta keep the s-boxes around, or regenerate on demand. tertium non datur

21:36

asciilifeform you recall this was discussed in here.

21:36

aye

21:37

http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821772

21:37

Logged on 07-09-2014 18:02:43; mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.

21:39

aslo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833873

21:39

Logged on 18-09-2014 17:18:46; mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.

21:39

it even got bashed!

21:39

%tslb

21:39

Time Since Last ATC Block (#46539): 0 hour(s), 0 minutes

21:39

%d

21:39

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2110783.64 in 1844 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 349.54

21:40

*

asciilifeform not entirely surprised to discover poetteringisms in: 'mplayer', 'firefox', a number of other packages

21:40

advanced metastasis.

21:40

BingoBoingo cute.

21:42

!up josevelez

21:45

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00073887 = 15.036 BTC [-] {3}

21:46

What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Dont standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise cryptographic agility; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this agility justifies using breakable crypto.

21:46

heh.

21:46

here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.

21:46

i still can't fathom why they're not having their muppets push the 'all this derp is because they really broke rsa in the '90s' angle.

21:46

no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.

21:47

i would utterly do this in their place.

21:47

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75504 @ 0.00073554 = 55.5362 BTC [-] {4}

21:47

there are NO degrees of liberty left for the evil government, in any field.

21:49

%v

21:49

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 255 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

21:55

https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home (thanks to diametric)

21:55

fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home GitHub

21:55

%p

21:55

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

21:55

^ for anyone who is stuck with that os

21:55

heh.

21:55

doesn't actually fix anything, contrary to the implication in the url.

21:55

'dismal science.'

21:56

asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall

21:56

just removes some of the anal anaesthetic applied by apple during first penetration

21:56

assbot: i think the fix-macos part of the url is more of a plea

21:56

dammit tab.

21:56

asciilifeform: ^

21:56

diametric: whole mess of rumination re: 'docker' earlier today.

21:57

diametric: couldn't help but think of you

21:57

asciilifeform: hm?

21:57

log works again, see there.

21:57

%m

21:57

[ATC Mined] Current: 23835136 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 8.88

21:57

!s docker

21:57

57 results for 'docker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=docker

21:57

%v

21:57

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 254 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

21:57

24m atc in existence. took 2m to take price to 1

21:58

mike_c it's dead tho.

21:58

atc? shit, guess i gotta read logs faster.

21:58

wait what?

21:59

http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << twas on trilema months ago neh ?

21:59

The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:00

asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."

22:00

not sure, and can't really comment

22:00

*

asciilifeform is innocent of docker

22:00

running processes as root requires root. news at 11.

22:01

diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.

22:01

so i was right? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2014#884271

22:01

Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: <Apocalyptic> yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping

22:01

mircea_popescu: to which list are you referring?

22:01

if i recall there was some vague rumour of an escape for it.

22:01

diametric> running processes as root requires root. news at 11. <<

22:02

kakobrekla yah

22:02

im amazing

22:02

AMAZING COMPANY!

22:02

somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.

22:02

mike_c check this out :

22:02

%p

22:02

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s

22:02

yes, i saw

22:03

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00073526 = 17.7198 BTC [-]

22:03

asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.

22:03

seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?

22:03

diametric: aha i recall, a la bsd jail, yes.

22:03

asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.

22:03

ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out

22:03

so more of a parrot cage than a jail for man.

22:03

its like a jail + management system on top of it

22:04

what you end up with is an image you can use on any linux running docker, be it ubuntu, gentoo, arch or lfs.

22:04

<mike_c> ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy

22:04

but nfi

22:04

i'd still be highly interested in learning about potential escapes though

22:05

;;calc 0.0163 * 61.45 / 24

22:05

0.0417347916667

22:05

4 bitcents an hour, could be worse.

22:05

%v

22:05

[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 49 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64

22:06

har.

22:06

so.. does this docker thing work with grsec and makes easier chroots with readonly-bind-mounted stuff?

22:07

anywho, atc ended ... as expected.

22:07

%d

22:07

docker is just using lxc

22:07

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2233457.32 in 1819 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 375.66

22:07

what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it

22:11

%ob

22:11

99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@4 800k@3 2M@2

22:11

after some googling, no it isn't working smoothly with grsec. as expected from #devops

22:12

"it" being lxc

22:15

%ob

22:15

99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 | 1M@5 1M@4 800k@3

22:17

%p

22:17

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

22:17

heh.

22:17

the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?

22:18

Pity the Pool's was

22:18

how come wqe didn't end up using it ?

22:18

Ispace came in at that time, but it wasn't reporting crap when i pointed hash at it.

22:18

anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.

22:18

And they were also non-responsive

22:19

which is what, an hour ? i dun recall

22:19

100 blocks, maybe 120 blocks

22:19

"o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"

22:20

Ah it is 120 blocks

22:20

%d

22:20

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2300244.77 in 1806 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 389.89

22:21

who had all the nice atc graphs ?

22:22

http://atc.blockr.io/ or http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/

22:22

Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

22:22

there are some here (not sure if this is what you're referring to): http://atc.blockr.io/charts

22:23

%ob

22:23

99k@255 100k@254 544k@49 | 50k@10 1M@5 1M@4

22:23

ty

22:23

%t

22:23

[X-BT] Bid: 10 Ask: 49 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2191k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 55

22:29

%p

22:29

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s

22:29

re: docker << my understanding is that it's pretty much a chroot jail combined with some cpu and ram and network limits

22:30

*

decimation doesn't use docker, probably never will

22:31

BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35

22:31

Yeah

22:31

i need fucking vincent vega over here.

22:32

fucktarded kids thinking they're going to get rich.

22:32

No, you need to get these mother fucking snakes off of the motherfucking plane

22:32

I assume folks are logging incoming ips?

22:33

%p

22:33

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s

22:33

%tslb

22:33

Time Since Last ATC Block (#46592): 0 hour(s), 2 minutes

22:33

[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00073466 = 42.1695 BTC [-] {4}

22:37

%d

22:37

[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2381419.13 in 1788 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 407.17

22:41

%p

22:41

>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s

22:41

lol

22:41

oops... not so smart anymore... hurr durrr

22:43

Oh a quack made the local paper http://www.bnd.com/2014/10/18/3462222/guest-view-could-ebola-patients.html?sp=/99/174/

22:43

Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat

22:44

Obola's no problem because Vitamin C

22:46

seems legit.

22:46

well, that's as long as you're taking your colloidal silver too

22:50

"Now one of the fastest-growing cosmetic procedures in the UK is repairing stretched earlobes." hilarious http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/19/cosmetic-surgeons-repair-stretched-earlobes

22:50

Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes | Life and style | The Observer

22:51

cazalla: that'll be big here in portland I'm sure

22:52

what a hideous practice

22:52

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_plate

22:52

Lip plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

22:57

i wonder if they can use the extra material to give the woman a new hymen too

22:58