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00:00 upme_boolcrap woow
00:00 upme_boolcrap yeah houses in the city
00:00 upme_boolcrap are too expensive
00:01 decimation !s bezzle wolf
00:01 assbot 1 results for 'bezzle wolf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bezzle+wolf
00:02 chalbersma So what's next on this P2Pool server?
00:02 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2013#431244
00:02 assbot Logged on 25-12-2013 21:26:27; asciilifeform: at some point 'the bezzle' becomes real, the cartoon wolf looks down and finally obeys gravity, goes splat off the cliff.
00:03 asciilifeform decimation, BingoBoingo, others - http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << possibly only good thing about lcd, you can do this.
00:03 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
00:05 upme_boolcrap !nakedchicks
00:06 decimation asciilifeform: yeah I wish one could buy a poster-sized display
00:06 Duffer1 !bait
00:06 decimation I see you keep a few 4:3 displays too
00:06 asciilifeform decimation: they stack well.
00:06 Duffer1 what no bait?
00:06 BingoBoingo do /msg ozbot .d
00:07 decimation lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :)
00:07 asciilifeform no emacs in this picture.
00:08 decimation what's the quartile in the upper right? just terminals?
00:08 asciilifeform 'ratpoison'
00:08 asciilifeform !s ratpoison
00:08 assbot 12 results for 'ratpoison' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ratpoison
00:08 decimation ah
00:08 asciilifeform favourite wm
00:08 asciilifeform (not only mine, many folks)
00:08 decimation are all of those displays driven from one machine?
00:08 asciilifeform aye
00:08 asciilifeform nothing terribly peculiar
00:08 decimation I bet it was a pain in the ass to setup xconf
00:09 asciilifeform set up once, then live. like building house.
00:09 decimation except if you use gentoo, occasion decisions by crazies wipe out your house, then rebuild...
00:10 asciilifeform or forget about the crazies and run alone.
00:12 decimation so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand?
00:12 asciilifeform mostly.
00:12 BingoBoingo !up devthedev
00:12 decimation sounds legit. I second diametric in that discussion the other day, I like arch as a former gentoo user
00:13 * asciilifeform not particularly enamoured of gentoo, but there is no real alternative.
00:13 chalbersma It's been a fun gents. I'm going to call it a night. You guys have a good one.
00:13 BingoBoingo devthedev: You ever ru a p2pool?
00:13 decimation agreed, there is an unfilled space for an 'adult' source distro
00:14 BingoBoingo Well ideas of adult and distro tend to run contrary to each other
00:15 decimation ideally the distro should come from ascii's software-priests
00:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076747 = 9.8236 BTC [+] {2}
00:17 BingoBoingo Or you know... magazines and glue sticks
00:20 asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap
00:21 BingoBoingo Oh, a Brian Goss, maybe the one from this space? >> http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2149175/Hotel_Hell/season_2/episode_8/Murphys_Hotel/?huid=hxpyursy1xh9
00:21 assbot HOTEL HELL S02E08 - Murphys Hotel - Watch Online For Free on TubePlus
00:26 BingoBoingo Minute 25 is best minute
00:28 decimation http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ << there was a strong solare flare from an earth-facing sunspot at 1745 utc, could produce a nasty geomagnetic storm in a few days
00:28 assbot NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
00:29 upme_boolcrap nice
00:29 upme_boolcrap i want a solar flare that will destroy every electric instrument on earth
00:29 asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: tough one.
00:30 asciilifeform ;;google faraday cage
00:30 gribble Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage>; HowStuffWorks "How Faraday Cages Work": <http://science.howstuffworks.com/faraday-cage.htm>; Build Your Own Faraday Cage. Here's How. - The Survivalist Blog: <http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/build-your-own-faraday-cage-heres-how/>
00:30 decimation it's not the initial flare, it's the geomagnetic storm, which is mainly a threat to equipment attached to long conductors
00:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25360 @ 0.00076189 = 19.3215 BTC [-]
00:31 decimation EMP from ionospheric H-bomb is a bigger threat to small electronics, but can be defended as ascii points out
00:33 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36XB71V.txt )
00:33 BingoBoingo !b 1
00:34 BingoBoingo Who needs TEMPEST wen you window leaks screen contents
00:36 asciilifeform http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/4296/uncle-al << apparently al schwartz is on 'stack exchange'...
00:36 assbot User Uncle Al - Chemistry Stack Exchange
00:39 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re schedule: what aspect of your professional work demands irregular hours?
00:39 ben_vulpes <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does << yeah, but have you seen the de-wiggler in action?
00:39 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: multiple jobs, none of which have fixed hours as such
00:40 ben_vulpes ah, i was only privy to the botnet inspector gig and NSA.
00:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "easy", but do you?
00:40 dub what the fuck is this net slowdown shit
00:41 asciilifeform which 'easy'
00:41 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession.
00:41 decimation lol http://washingtonexaminer.com/lights-out-house-plan-would-protect-nations-electricity-from-solar-flare-nuclear-bomb/article/2532038 << " Officials said that the legislation, provided in advance to Secrets, will include information from a recent EMP commission report that "contemporary U.S. society is not structured, nor does it have the means, to provide for the needs of nearly 300 million Americans without electricity.'':
00:41 assbot Lights out: House plan would protect nation's electricity from solar flare, nuclear bomb | WashingtonExaminer.com
00:41 dub my work week looks like ass for the rest of the year
00:42 asciilifeform aha
00:42 dub 22:00-03:00 4 nights a week
00:42 * asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly.
00:43 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Week I graduated college the world wiggled every other day. Maybe my life stalled out because it stopped???
00:43 decimation I suspect that the fantasy-plans for "contingency usg" would be a hilarious read
00:43 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. << Walking is my escape plan
00:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see robert sheckley's short story 'petrified world.'
00:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.american-buddha.com/sheckleycanyoufeel.3.htm
00:44 assbot Can You Feel Anything When I Do This?, by Robert Sheckley
00:44 decimation asciilifeform: also recommended by taleb. seems reasonable to do what humans have been doing for millennia
00:44 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: walking does not take one to the edge of the performance envelope.
00:44 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Today an old colleague commented that i lost weight. Did not know the proper response to that.
00:45 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It can
00:45 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: "isn't it great?"
00:45 ben_vulpes "can" is not "does"
00:45 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Edge is not always VO2MAX!!!
00:46 ben_vulpes scusi?
00:47 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Consecutive days walking is a metric too, right?
00:48 ben_vulpes <asciilifeform> bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. << f/h can be had without signing that contract. contract that includes "bells" should carry a markup adequate to compensate for the interruption of critical bio processes
00:48 BingoBoingo loll Torstein
00:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: many things 'can be had' in principle - e.g., mircea_popescu's kit.
00:49 asciilifeform reduction to practice - another matter.
00:49 ben_vulpes contract negotiation is where everything starts.
00:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: don't misunderstand the original gripe. the bell is annoying precisely because it rings - rarely.
00:50 BingoBoingo No, sometimes contract happens before negotiation.
00:50 asciilifeform the difference between 'rarely' and 'never' is often more palpable than between 'daily' and 'rarely.'
00:50 ben_vulpes ah
00:50 ben_vulpes i had misunderstood
00:51 * asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm.
00:51 asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap
00:52 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. << If I normalize I live on roughly 29 hour dyas
00:52 asciilifeform 29 -> not so bad. resynches with non-mutants weekly or so.
00:52 BingoBoingo Indeed
00:53 ben_vulpes this natural schedule bs is bs
00:53 BingoBoingo Winter though I have week long days. Summer I have day long weeks
00:53 ben_vulpes sun comes up, mammals wake
00:53 ben_vulpes sun goes down, mammals nap
00:53 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Oh, my schedule is anything but natural
00:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nope.
00:54 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ever meet a cat?
00:54 ben_vulpes noctunrnes exluded
00:54 BingoBoingo ;;google Five days with Freddie
00:54 gribble Five Nights at Freddy's Windows game | Desura: <http://www.desura.com/games/five-nights-at-freddys>; Five Nights at Freddy's on Steam: <http://store.steampowered.com/app/319510/>; Five Days At Freddy's| SCARIEST GAME EVER!| Night 1 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSVYBdcVL0>
00:55 BingoBoingo I dunno that any advanced primate has a set schedule
00:55 asciilifeform some folks have approximately 24h clock, think we're malingerers. what can i say.
00:56 ben_vulpes hey i'm shoehorning my own cycle into the american business routine too asciilifeform
00:56 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Half the year I can make them feel lazy. Unfortunatley for me the half they aren't looking
00:56 ben_vulpes although i never had the oportunity to discover what a "true" or "honest" cycle might look like, i just beat it until it submitted to what i wanted from my life
00:57 BingoBoingo Back in JUly this year I had a week with 90 minutes of sleep
00:58 BingoBoingo http://www.hulu.com/watch/615841#i0,p0,d0
00:58 assbot Watch The Blacklist Online - Milton Bobbit | Hulu
01:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17541 @ 0.00076586 = 13.434 BTC [+] {3}
01:01 ben_vulpes ;;ud jewgolf
01:01 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Westchester | mostly suburban county bordering the bronx to the south and fairfield county, ct to the north. largely perceived as a haven for wealthy investment bankers, ...
01:01 ben_vulpes <BingoBoingo> What, like JewGolf? << dear sir please assplain yourself
01:02 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: What, you think the dark run the game of baskets?
01:02 BingoBoingo Stern, Silver???
01:02 BingoBoingo Jews run basketball.
01:03 BingoBoingo Also the chance Wisconsin does not win out the rest of its schedule is so remote that people who want to bet on it need to bitc to the Big 1G
01:08 ben_vulpes teh jooz run everything
01:09 ben_vulpes cept bitcoin
01:09 ben_vulpes ;;gettrust Azelphur
01:09 gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012
01:12 BingoBoingo !up devthedev
01:16 Knot_Yeti rar
01:17 decimation hax!
01:17 Knot_Yeti someone's paying attention...
01:18 Knot_Yeti <KRS-1> Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ << holy KRS-1
01:18 assbot The Continued Pussification of the American Male
01:20 Knot_Yeti <BingoBoingo> Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo << flat, no earthquakes, reliable oil for the gennies, it's in every american seven-niner's uptime plan
01:20 Knot_Yeti lordy im having trouble putting this beer and grinder down
01:21 BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: Also moar Niggers in the county PD
01:21 Knot_Yeti dun matter for the dc
01:21 BingoBoingo Ferguson could never liberate in KC
01:21 Knot_Yeti !up upme_boolcrap
01:22 BingoBoingo You have to remember I find Ladue Nigger central.
01:22 BingoBoingo RUF is for the people
01:22 Knot_Yeti you're making less sense than vexual
01:23 BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: No, I'm just saying STLCPD is a bunch of Niggers and the blacks in Ferguson deserve the right to lynch them\
01:24 Knot_Yeti i certainly wouldn't know
01:24 BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: Well of course you can't in Vanilla city
01:25 Knot_Yeti but i'm not about to stand up for the assholes running bikers over while tapping on their wheelbox-mounted tablest
01:25 Knot_Yeti Homogeneity City
01:25 mircea_popescu Knot_Yeti who're you ?
01:25 Knot_Yeti ;;ident
01:25 gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Knot_Yeti', with hostmask 'Knot_Yeti!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
01:25 mircea_popescu lolk
01:26 BingoBoingo I miss Bob Ross
01:27 mircea_popescu i think im too young to know bob ross
01:27 Knot_Yeti so who is this recruiter character?
01:27 Knot_Yeti pahaha mircea_popescu old the notion
01:27 BingoBoingo I saw bob ross and you've got a decade on me MP
01:27 Knot_Yeti *young the notion
01:28 mircea_popescu Knot_Yeti he's some guy working really hard at being halpful. im curious if it ends in tears, despair or great success.
01:28 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/38F6DB0.txt )
01:28 BingoBoingo !b 1
01:29 mircea_popescu o shoit, bob ross is the guy that "would you like a fresh towel" dude was trying to immitate.
01:29 BingoBoingo Yeah
01:29 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTpttu6sqjw
01:29 assbot Road Trip - ALL Rubin scenes - part 2 - YouTube
01:29 Knot_Yeti <mircea_popescu> trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm << lotsa this
01:30 Knot_Yeti but uninterruptible power, people on call 24/7, audited security procedures, remote hands...
01:31 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhmNROtH44 << interesting to students of chemistry as well as noob machinists who would, had they not seen it, mounted Al shaft in PTFE bearing...
01:31 assbot Teflon with aluminum reaction (flash explosion) - YouTube
01:31 mircea_popescu !up frankenmint
01:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the worst that can happen
01:31 frankenmint thanks
01:31 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the reaction pictured.
01:32 mircea_popescu it's just a flesh wound
01:32 asciilifeform lol
01:32 Knot_Yeti flash wound
01:32 asciilifeform flesh is cheap, fine machinery - costly.
01:32 asciilifeform (there is always - more flesh.)
01:33 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Today I had to explain my secret sauce for preserving great editions
01:34 mircea_popescu decimation: 'peripheral' laser scanner << you mean the handheld shits ?
01:34 mircea_popescu frankenmint sure. how goes ?
01:34 frankenmint chillin whatchin chocolat
01:35 frankenmint https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0
01:35 assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?
01:35 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah the little 'pen' devices
01:35 frankenmint found that felt like a loser for not doing a otc trade yet
01:35 mircea_popescu decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing << what i miss most about crts, believe it or not, is the shade.
01:35 mircea_popescu a crt you can adjust to be as unluminous as you'd like. a lcd, no. has a minimum.
01:35 decimation asciilifeform: would not want to breathe that smoke...
01:36 asciilifeform shade >> yes!
01:36 mircea_popescu frankenmint :p
01:36 decimation mircea_popescu: yeah a well-known defect of lcds. supposedly the new led-based displays will overcome this
01:36 mircea_popescu i still have perfect vision, after decades with computors. i credit : a) low monitors and b) large fonts.
01:36 asciilifeform decimation: OLED aging makes crt phosphours look indestructible.
01:37 mircea_popescu well they hope they're fixing that
01:37 asciilifeform lol why would 'they'.
01:37 mircea_popescu prolly with some more rare earths nobody ever heard of and thatdon't really exist
01:37 asciilifeform homo chumpiens isn't meant to keep his iPnohe for longer than a year, or the like.
01:38 mircea_popescu lol homo chumpiens
01:38 mircea_popescu that has staying powers.
01:38 mircea_popescu lmao look at this, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg8133410#msg8133410
01:38 assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?
01:38 asciilifeform pronounce as 'champions' for extra bite.
01:38 mircea_popescu keep upo the good work, he says.
01:39 mircea_popescu decimation: a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer << better if it comes with a pair of black girls.
01:39 mircea_popescu or was it the girl with a pair of melons
01:39 mircea_popescu hum. getting old, bad memory.
01:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon.
01:39 decimation I miss the little wire shadows on my old trinitron
01:39 asciilifeform i was there, we weighed it...
01:39 decimation asciilifeform: that's amazing
01:39 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
01:40 mircea_popescu alaska ?
01:40 asciilifeform nah, here
01:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. << Grandpa wasted soil this year on 215 lb-is pumpkin
01:41 asciilifeform neato
01:42 mircea_popescu chalbersma: So what's next on this P2Pool server? << oblivion, quite likely.
01:42 decimation specs on trinitron vs. lcd & plasma & dlp http://www.displaymate.com/ShootOut_Part_1.htm
01:42 assbot Display Technology Shoot-Out Part I
01:42 BingoBoingo A great number of groundhogs died for it though.
01:43 decimation lcds have gotten better, just about 3 times worse than a trinitron crt (in its prime) in contrast
01:43 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - he went to bed - was asking me how to proceed, but I was unavail. I'll invite him again tomorrow
01:43 decimation I suspect that trinitrons are still in use for medical applications where resolution and contrast are critical
01:43 Knot_Yeti decimation: pixel density tho
01:43 asciilifeform decimation: probably all faded now.
01:44 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol honestly, may be overkill for this task. it's more of a small potatoes sort of thing to allow some eager kid to get his feet wet and get some ratings
01:44 asciilifeform decimation: 'eizo' and 'barco' make almost usable lcds, for those applications
01:44 mircea_popescu than for someone to try and senior developer all over it
01:44 RagnarDanneskjol thats exactly what he is
01:44 RagnarDanneskjol he's not senior - sent you his resume
01:44 * asciilifeform owns a few 'eizo'
01:44 decimation ben_vulpes: yeah you are right the resolution on modern lcds is 'better'
01:45 asciilifeform the last trinitron knockoff, afaik, rolled off the conveyor in early '09.
01:45 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol i guess that may explain the vague approach. alrighty, we talk more tomorro or w/e, see what he wants to do.
01:45 RagnarDanneskjol k
01:45 asciilifeform (somewhere in china, ntsc/pal picture tubes are still made. you don't want these.)
01:45 decimation heh probably no shielding
01:46 asciilifeform 600 lines.
01:46 frankenmint ok irl calls laterz
01:46 decimation I suppose for the paupers who just need a screen cheap crt is cheaper than lcd
01:47 asciilifeform was.
01:47 mircea_popescu no it's not ?
01:47 mircea_popescu an extra sq ft of floor space = cost.
01:47 * asciilifeform can't find a usable crt for $maxint
01:47 mircea_popescu dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit << you broke it, you buy it.
01:47 asciilifeform (21+ in., trinitron, virginal)
01:48 mircea_popescu how the fuck are you going to find virginal trinitrons, haven't been made for two decades
01:48 decimation one that was 'new in box' forgotten in some attic?
01:48 asciilifeform don't be so quick to say 'never.' i went recently to a junk peddler, he has a sealed in box 'vic-20.'
01:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00076902 = 8.9975 BTC [+]
01:49 asciilifeform same as the proverbial century-old wine bottles.
01:49 asciilifeform 'how can it exist, someone'd have drunk it up'
01:49 dub mircea_popescu: I saw an ad on bitcoinity and wtfd
01:49 dub appears to be some goog propaganda
01:49 mircea_popescu you don't understand asciilifeform. europe sits on a lake of wine the size of michigan
01:50 BingoBoingo And nao you're going to tell me Agent Broachwala loves the Jewish state in the Levant....
01:50 KODE_YETI <upme_boolcrap> auxiliary wives << redundancy
01:51 BingoBoingo Today canned commenters called Ferguson protesters terrorists
01:51 KODE_YETI asciilifeform: obtain and install << lolya and maintain
01:51 decimation lol http://www.eizo.com/global/products/radiforce/gx540/index.html#tab02 << monitors need to be approved by FDA?
01:51 assbot RadiForce GX540 | EIZO
01:52 asciilifeform lol i have that one!
01:52 mircea_popescu nom nom nom
01:52 decimation contrast ratio only 1.2k
01:52 asciilifeform the gov. approval thing is for use in surgeries
01:52 decimation 10x worse than trinitron
01:52 BingoBoingo ;;google hanley blockade terrorists
01:52 gribble Military counter-intelligence unit monitored Elsipogtog anti-fracking ...: <http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/military-counter-intelligence-unit-monitored-elsipogtog-anti-fracking-protests-documents/>; Ferguson Highway Blockade Roundup (5:33PM CDT): <http://justinspoliticalcorner.tumblr.com/post/97170352027/ferguson-highway-blockade-roundup-5-33pm-cdt>; (1 more message)
01:52 asciilifeform that's a bit unfair. trinitron ~= theoretically infinite contrast ratio (save the odd stray electron)
01:53 decimation well, I don't deny that resolution is important too
01:53 asciilifeform (actually never mind, i have an earlier 'radiforce' in other room, 1600x1200)
01:53 decimation but it seems that our 'upgraded' lcd displays lack what we had in the past
01:53 KODE_YETI all i know is pressed shitboard
01:54 asciilifeform the 14-bit monochrome 'eizos' are quite unlike ordinary lcd
01:54 asciilifeform you can use them in a sunlit room, for instance.
01:54 KODE_YETI hey who is upme_boolcrap ?
01:54 KODE_YETI ;;gettrust upme_boolcrap
01:54 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user upme_boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=upme_boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=upme_boolcrap | Rated since: never
01:54 asciilifeform KODE_YETI: he's b00lcrap
01:55 asciilifeform a fellow i know in meatspace.
01:55 KODE_YETI ah yeah
01:55 KODE_YETI hence keys comments
01:55 BingoBoingo WHY HAS NO ONE ELSE TOLD STORIED ABOUT FBI???
01:55 KODE_YETI you're the only one so cursed
01:55 asciilifeform (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.)
01:56 BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: I have a masters degree in Library Science. This is not cursed. This is totally fucked by American Standards.
01:56 KODE_YETI oh shit ozbot is totally still online
01:56 BingoBoingo ozbot is.
01:56 KODE_YETI DUDE
01:57 asciilifeform fbi stories >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804607
01:57 assbot Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
01:57 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) << This
01:57 KODE_YETI <decimation> lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) << i dedicate my largest screen to emacs
01:58 KODE_YETI <decimation> so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? << asciilifeform u fukn metal
01:58 decimation KODE_YETI: yeah my pinky is starting to ache
01:59 KODE_YETI decimation: capslock remap on os x
01:59 BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: OSX is blaspemy
01:59 KODE_YETI the "command" key on this altop has a hole in its black coating due to meta use
01:59 BingoBoingo OSX is as much blasphemy as the devil
01:59 KODE_YETI BingoBoingo: i just run emacs on whatever, man
02:00 BingoBoingo And by devil I mean systemd
02:00 KODE_YETI "os" be damned, emacs is my os
02:00 decimation KODE_YETI: yeah but my pinky wants to hit shift instead of caps-lock, need to deactivate ctrl key
02:00 BingoBoingo Well, work on emacs chip
02:00 KODE_YETI greenarrays
02:00 KODE_YETI forth -> lisp -> life
02:00 BingoBoingo Work hard.
02:00 BingoBoingo In my field.
02:01 BingoBoingo Bring the cotton out to be sole.
02:01 KODE_YETI i only work when there are $CURRENCY_UNITS on the table
02:01 BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Then explain VAN
02:01 KODE_YETI lessons learned.
02:01 BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Can be leanrt maor
02:01 KODE_YETI learn maori
02:02 BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Sorry I'm working on being trans ethic for useful ethicities
02:02 decimation maori will help you negotiate with the british
02:02 KODE_YETI and i'm working on stumbling home. nite all!
02:03 asciilifeform 'North, north-by-east, nor'-nor'-east, nor'-east-by-north, north-east, colony—Attention! / Come to tea, all the men, round the niu—Attention!'
02:03 asciilifeform (maori, obligatory, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pai_M%C4%81rire#The_chants )
02:03 assbot Pai Mrire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:06 BingoBoingo ;;Knicker
02:06 gribble Error: "Knicker" is not a valid command.
02:06 decimation asciilifeform: lol
02:07 BingoBoingo <decimation> maori will help you negotiate with the british << Didn't you hear??? Moiety Starved. Scottish is NOT profitab le..
02:07 BingoBoingo And I just passed 4 liters of fart gas right nao.
02:09 BingoBoingo ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -3 confusion, correctable. In the interim What the Fuck's Sake
02:09 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 2 to -3.
02:10 mircea_popescu later gang.
02:10 RagnarDanneskjol ??
02:10 RagnarDanneskjol care to elaborate
02:11 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Just confusion between parties you've sold pool too and people you've offered to sell pool
02:12 BingoBoingo Margin for clearing this is very low
02:12 RagnarDanneskjol I am not selling anyhting
02:12 RagnarDanneskjol I just identify talent
02:12 RagnarDanneskjol perhaps you misunderstand mu role
02:12 BingoBoingo No, You don't sell things. You sell people.
02:12 RagnarDanneskjol I am doing all this pro bono btw
02:12 BingoBoingo I think I understand, but I may misunderstand
02:13 RagnarDanneskjol yes, I'm sure you do
02:13 BingoBoingo That is incredibly likely. The world is fucked. California is falling off of the world.
02:14 RagnarDanneskjol please explain how I created confusion
02:14 RagnarDanneskjol if you'll read the emails I copied you on I have been quite clear - and ask if any clarification is required...crickets
02:23 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno that you aren't trustworthy, I apparently was lead though (prolly by bad actors) to believe though that you are much older than you are.
02:23 RagnarDanneskjol I am 33. Have been a recruiter since I was 18. what the hell does that have to do with it
02:24 dub A similar belief in the mystical power to avert bullets had earlier been reported among Islamic groups in Africa and Asia[7] and America, such as the Ghost Shirt Movement.
02:26 RagnarDanneskjol BingoBoingo - You know for a fact I made efforts to gain better clarity between parties from our pm earlier. All the recruitment I have done for b-a has been out of the kindness of my heart (which is a lot btw in terms of time spent - well over 60 hrs)
02:26 dub where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion
02:26 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Much of the present irrelevant doubt, as opposed to relevant doubt connects to harvest of this irrelevant shit\
02:26 RagnarDanneskjol are you drinking?
02:27 BingoBoingo Yes, are you not?
02:27 dub what do we do sahib? idk boss pray shiney sky rocks don't kil us
02:27 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Y3RRJX.txt )
02:27 BingoBoingo !b 1
02:28 RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate BingoBoingo -1 erroneous negrating under the influence
02:28 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
02:29 dub RUI?
02:31 fluffypony hah hah
02:31 fluffypony took me a few minutes to get that
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03:49 KODE_YETI ratings cannot be erroneous
03:49 KODE_YETI and RagnarDanneskjol can't in2 dat variety
03:54 RagnarDanneskjol erroneous in that the reasons cited have no basis in reality. but good point
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04:46 Apocalyptic such rating drama
04:58 fluffypony ;:rate Apocalyptic -2832837297193912 just because drama
04:58 Apocalyptic dat fluffypony
04:58 fluffypony :-P
05:00 Apocalyptic how's monero these days ?
05:03 fluffypony good
05:03 fluffypony got it working on FreeBSD
05:03 fluffypony all compiles except gtest that explodes
05:04 punkman I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao!
05:05 fluffypony such trade
05:08 punkman fluffypony: there was some pool site that had XMR, but it linked to some bitmonero thing
05:09 punkman what's with all these clones
05:09 fluffypony pool site?
05:10 fluffypony bitmonero == monero, the guy that launched it wanted merged mining and other bullshit, the community voted against it, he tried to put it in anyway, so we forked it away from him into Monero
05:10 fluffypony also because Monero = coin in Esperanto, so Bitmonero literally means Bitcoin
05:10 fluffypony which is kinda stupid
05:10 punkman oic
05:14 punkman mining side looks like botnet heaven
05:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.0007668 = 29.3684 BTC [+] {2}
05:26 fluffypony punkman: indeed - although the GPU miners are starting to ramp up a bit
05:26 punkman is it even 50% faster with GPU?
05:27 fluffypony faster yes, but performance-per-watt is really how you want to measure it
05:27 punkman right, aren't the CPUs better in that regard?
05:27 fluffypony and in that respect CryptoNight achieves its stated goal of reducing the performance gap between CPUs, GPUs, and ASICs
05:28 fluffypony for the moment yes
05:28 fluffypony we're not at the upper bound of GPU performance, although we're reasonably close
05:28 xmj fluffypony: how are you getting along with the FreeBSD port? :)
05:29 fluffypony xmj: it's done, it compiles and works, the only thing I'm fighting with are some stupid oddities in the testing code
05:29 punkman are you the guy that funded that kid with the miner optimizations?
05:29 xmj fluffypony: nice!
05:29 fluffypony xmj: http://i.imgur.com/3SvgH3a.png
05:29 xmj fluffypony: did you put it in net-p2p/bitmonero?
05:29 fluffypony punkman: no?
05:29 fluffypony xmj: once I'm done fixing tests and I've committed the changes to master I will
05:30 xmj neat
05:30 fluffypony oh punkman - are you talking about dga?
05:30 xmj fluffypony: here have a link: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/book.html#makefile-master_sites-github-description
05:30 fluffypony he's not a kid :)
05:30 fluffypony http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/cv.pdf
05:30 fluffypony xmj: cool got it
05:30 * xmj goes back to fiddling with Subversion
05:31 xmj ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap
05:32 fluffypony here we go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624223.msg7987642#msg7987642
05:32 assbot rpietila Altcoin Observer
05:32 fluffypony "Note that GPUs *do* outperform CPUs, of course -- it's just that it's only a factor of two or three. Which is pretty remarkable. And an ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge."
05:33 xmj wait.. what?
05:33 fluffypony xmj: Monero's PoW
05:33 xmj ah
05:33 * xmj goes back to fiddling with stuff... f'realz
05:34 punkman fluffypony: oooh, he was all like "back to school" and I assumed <20
05:35 fluffypony lol I know
05:35 fluffypony oh well, even associate professors at CMU have to make money somehow :-P
05:48 punkman fluffypony: was reading that blogpost again, got an idea. Someone should come up with quirky PoW, and manufacture a hardware miner before launching the coin. Then they slowly ramp up the hashrate, start selling the hardware when profits level off.
05:49 fluffypony 90% of the time when there's a quirky PoW it's inevitably a scam
05:49 fluffypony not all the time
05:49 fluffypony but often
06:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.0007622 = 17.683 BTC [-] {2}
06:09 fluffypony xmj: help plx
06:09 xmj with?
06:09 fluffypony ok so I'm trying to create the Makefile
06:10 fluffypony and looking at Bitcoin's one it seems overly complex
06:10 fluffypony I mean, the USE_GITHUB stuff means that I really only need 5 lines, and it builds out the box
06:10 xmj do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools
06:10 xmj it has port(1), which can do `port create`, and `port test`
06:11 xmj it used to have port submit, but that died with GNATS and send-pr(1)
06:11 xmj also, i maintain it, so if you find any bugs i can fix them on the fly...:p
06:11 fluffypony lol ok cool
06:11 fluffypony so once it's created how will I submit it?
06:11 fluffypony manually?
06:12 xmj you create a shar like so:
06:12 xmj cd /usr/ports/net-p2p
06:12 xmj shar `find bitmonero` > bitmonero__$version.shar
06:13 xmj then you file a bug with bugzilla -- https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ports%20Tree
06:13 assbot Log in to Bugzilla
06:13 xmj and give it some description like [NEW PORT] net-p2p/bitmonero: [include COMMENT= from Makefile here]
06:14 xmj once you're done with that you can assign it to me and i'll take it from there
06:14 fluffypony ok cool
06:16 xmj yup
06:17 xmj before you submit, try `make check-plist` to see if there's anything missing in pkg-plist, and `make package` to see if there's anything that is in pkg-plist that's not actually built into the package
06:17 xmj that's, like, the crashcourse in FreeBSD port maintainership. :)
06:18 fluffypony lol
06:18 fluffypony got it
06:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15972 @ 0.00076522 = 12.2221 BTC [+]
06:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8828 @ 0.00076524 = 6.7555 BTC [+] {2}
06:52 danielpbarron https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/509986011360030720
06:52 assbot I would very much enjoy reading Mircea Popescu's reply to the letter in this post: http://t.co/MndDYtNb9w < you can imagine the SPANK!
06:55 xmj fluffypony: how good will 30GHash/s butterfly labs ASICs work with bitmonero?
06:56 fluffypony xmj: it won't at all, it's a different PoW
06:56 xmj i see
06:56 xmj friend of mine's got a spare, doesn't know what to do with it
07:00 xmj hm
07:00 xmj http://www.nzz.ch/mehr/digital/libertaere-visionaere-aus-crypto-valley-1.18380940
07:00 assbot Zuger Internet-Unternehmer: Libertre Visionre aus Crypto Valley - Digital Nachrichten - NZZ.ch
07:01 xmj that one points out johann gevers, south african digital crypto stuff entrepreneur
07:01 xmj is he a name one should recognize?
07:05 fluffypony never heard of him
07:06 fluffypony http://monetas.net/team/
07:06 assbot Monetas – Team
07:06 fluffypony if it's that guy then he's in Switzerland
07:06 fluffypony maybe born in ZA
07:07 fluffypony the only guys in ZA that have done anything notable are the BitX guys, but meh
07:07 xmj but meh
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08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00076749 = 7.5214 BTC [+]
08:08 RagnarDanneskjol http://dangerousprototypes.com/2014/09/11/video-jtagulator-introduction-and-demonstration/
08:08 assbot Video: JTAGulator introduction and demonstration | Dangerous Prototypes
08:18 punkman http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/10/wtf-is-a-u2/
08:18 assbot Apple Just Uploaded A U2 Album To Your iPhone And iPad — And Seriously, WTF | TechCrunch
08:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00076749 = 6.9842 BTC [+]
08:25 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo didja just drunkrate RagnarDanneskjol or what was that
08:27 mircea_popescu dub: where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion << quite. just like the forum retards, the general response of the primitive mind to "o boy, this guy's so much better than you, better learn how to suck cock" is "lalala i can't hear anything"
08:28 mircea_popescu punkman: I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! << dare i ask what xmr is or would that spoil the whole trader thing.
08:29 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
08:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 471.6, Best ask: 472.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 472.45, 24 hour volume: 9612.17705410, 24 hour low: 470.1, 24 hour high: 491.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.983602007
08:31 punkman mircea_popescu: that monero thing
08:31 mircea_popescu oh i c
08:31 mircea_popescu fluffypony: ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge. << if this is per watt, wouldn't it be quite huge ?
08:31 fluffypony mircea_popescu: not for CryptoNight, no
08:32 fluffypony CPUs perform well if they have AES-NI
08:32 fluffypony which is most of the modern ones
08:32 dub mircea_popescu: there's also the problem of motivating a guy holding a stick to charge at muskets
08:32 mircea_popescu what i mean is, i'm a kid with a computer, i have to pay $200 for a new video card, and each watt gives me 1 thing. this other kid pays $500 for a consumer asic, each watt gives him... 5 things. the price of a thing will reflect this, going to ~1/4 the price of a watt, making me able to buy a lot more things for my $200 directly than i'd get mining ?
08:33 mircea_popescu dub that's a solved problem, as you describe
08:33 mircea_popescu which explains exactly the adaptive value of idiocy in large groups.
08:33 mircea_popescu that's the problem with the human species : that because we're monkeys, which means we use young men as basically building material
08:33 mircea_popescu idiocy is socially valuable.
08:34 mircea_popescu as individually poisonous as it may be.
08:34 fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes - but that's a capex cost, we're discussing the opex cost. At some point in the future when there actually are ASICs I suppose a ratio could be shown that includes the amortised cost of the hardware over time or something
08:34 punkman aren't there plenty off-the-shelf hardware AES implementations?
08:35 mircea_popescu fluffypony but my point here is as to market price, which really rarely reflects opex over capex
08:35 fluffypony punkman: it's not the only thing it uses
08:35 mircea_popescu i mean don't get me wrong, active experimental research in "o yeah, those asics are that cool ?" is quite valuable and a good use of one's time.
08:36 mircea_popescu and i guess if 5x is the best so far then it's the best so far, and that's what it is
08:36 mircea_popescu but i would have suspected 1.5x ish is more the range where it could be borne economically
08:38 fluffypony punkman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yoovsi0gk9n88a/cryptonight_tmp.pdf
08:38 assbot Dropbox - cryptonight_tmp.pdf
08:38 fluffypony if you're really interested in the inner workings
08:38 mircea_popescu (this based on history of human tech, the speed of difussion of tech inovations as a function of their added efficiency. for instance the iron plow was about 7-8x more efficient than the shit it replaced, and it took over practically in the same generation. meanwhile longbows were not 2x more effectual over cataphracts, and they took about a century to take over)
08:39 punkman these cryptonote guys seem dedicated to crapcoins: https://cryptonote.org/coins/
08:39 assbot CryptoNote Currencies
08:40 punkman heh step-by-step instructions for forking https://cryptonotestarter.org/inner.html
08:40 assbot CryptoNote currency forking guide
08:41 jurov xmj try altcoin?
08:42 mircea_popescu "It is designed to have zero commercial value since its genesis block is replaced every 2 months." this is a pretty good way to do it, actually.
08:42 jurov with the friend's miner i mean
08:43 mircea_popescu "This coin's enthusiasts contribute to the applied aspects of the CryptoNote technology. It has been launched as a fork of Bytecoin in April 2014. Bitmonero/Monero was subject to a quarrel among the community members on the choice of name. Nevertheless, its contribution is valuable to CryptoNote’s popularization. Moreover, it has the fastest block generation speed of 1 minute."
08:43 mircea_popescu lmao that's relevant i'm sure.
08:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you feel like reading up on all this crap and produce a summary ? but i mean a good one, like a disertation level thing.
08:46 mircea_popescu " but assuming you accept its technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks, in favor of a balance between CPU, GPU, and ASICs)" << stuff like that sounds like a total ouch.
08:47 mircea_popescu fluffypony is your 5x estimate arrived at through some process or just taken from dga ?
08:47 fluffypony mircea_popescu: just taken from dga
08:48 fluffypony the block flooding DoS attack doesn't work with Monero, at least not that we've been able to simulate
08:48 mircea_popescu why is that ?
08:48 fluffypony it's too aggressive in its consensus code
08:48 mircea_popescu can you model this for me ?
08:48 fluffypony it graylists peers that try submit a bad block
08:48 mircea_popescu can i use this to graylist everyone ?
08:49 fluffypony yes, but graylists expire
08:49 fluffypony eventually
08:49 mircea_popescu seems like moving the goalpost, it's still a dos
08:49 fluffypony the point of the DoS is to burn CPU cycles and tie up the CPU of a peer
08:50 mircea_popescu dos is dos, as long as you can't use a service because of a 3rd party it's a denial of service.
08:50 fluffypony if you just want to DDoS them from a bandwidth perspective there are easier ways like LOIC
08:50 fluffypony well that's what I'm saying - the block flooding DoS doesn't work
08:50 fluffypony a LOIC attack woudl work
08:50 mircea_popescu but it does work i nthe sense of, graylist dos.
08:50 fluffypony or a SYN flood even
08:50 * fluffypony shakes head
08:51 mircea_popescu which way lol
08:51 mircea_popescu i can't see you :D
08:51 fluffypony you can't reconnect as a new IP fast enough
08:51 fluffypony in other words
08:51 fluffypony I have 12 peers connected to me
08:51 mircea_popescu you can't ? (i dunno, i'm asking)
08:51 fluffypony when I graylist you then you have to reconnect to me from a new peer and submit a bad block
08:51 fluffypony rinse-repeat
08:51 mircea_popescu this isn't what i meant earlier.
08:52 mircea_popescu can i craft blocks and announce them so that the entire fucking network ends up graylisting each other
08:52 fluffypony no
08:52 fluffypony you'll get graylisted
08:52 fluffypony nobody will rebroadcast it
08:52 fluffypony so you get isolated
08:52 mircea_popescu but in the interval where people stil don
08:52 mircea_popescu t know yet if the block is any good ?
08:53 jurov mircea_popescu: so you send bad block to everyone at once, yes?
08:53 fluffypony in the 0.03 seconds it takes the peer to verify the block you won't even have completed the handshake to send another block
08:53 mircea_popescu " technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks"
08:53 jurov everyone is DoSed for 0.03 seconds and you're graylisted
08:53 mircea_popescu fluffypony so are you basically saying he's just talking nonsense ?
08:54 fluffypony no, we theorised that the attack was possible
08:54 mircea_popescu jurov i dunno, i'm trying to clarify this claim.
08:54 jurov fluffypony: what about ipv6? practically unlimited number of addresses
08:54 mircea_popescu fluffypony ok, so if we accept this avenue exists, then a blacklisting scheme would not logically be expected to resolve it, just move the problem.
08:54 mircea_popescu this is a purely logical approach, i have nfi of how it practically works
08:54 fluffypony mircea_popescu: well Bitcoin's solution to the problem is to use SHA2
08:54 fluffypony so that less CPU is burnt
08:54 fluffypony for the same attack
08:54 fluffypony both are equally "susceptible"
08:54 mircea_popescu yes
08:55 fluffypony so the mitigation is the same
08:55 mircea_popescu so basically you're saying the technical tradeoff in question isn' treally trading anything worth the menton.
08:55 fluffypony yes
08:55 mircea_popescu aha okay.
08:56 mircea_popescu i can arrive at a formulation of what the op thinks that i can integrate, it just takes an op that can answer questions for long enough :D
08:56 fluffypony lol
08:56 fluffypony welcome to b-a :-P
08:57 mircea_popescu thanks i plan to spend a lot of time here
08:57 fluffypony you really should
08:57 fluffypony sometimes there is even pronz in the channel
08:57 fluffypony and indian girls looking for free flight tickets
08:58 mircea_popescu oh my
08:58 mircea_popescu ;;google wolves and bears of my
08:58 gribble Natural Trap Cave: prehistoric lions, dire wolves, and bears, oh my ...: <http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0724/Natural-Trap-Cave-prehistoric-lions-dire-wolves-and-bears-oh-my>; Lions and gray wolves and bears? Oh, my! | News-Gazette.com: <http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2014-08-26/lions-and-gray-wolves-and-bears-oh-my.html>; Cougars and wolves and bears...oh my - (1 more message)
08:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00076799 = 14.9758 BTC [+] {2}
08:59 mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx-nDCZzLo
08:59 assbot Judy Garland: Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my! (The Wizard Of Oz, 1939) - YouTube
08:59 mircea_popescu here we go, useless bumgle.
08:59 fluffypony lol
09:01 mircea_popescu lions in the fucking forest. huzzah for all teh lernin'.
09:01 thestringpuller today mircea_popescu exhibits symptoms of amnesia
09:02 mircea_popescu anyway this dga fellow should be here. someone invite him
09:04 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19301957 = 0.9651 BTC [+] {3}
09:04 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#825979 << this is like the first intelligent thing i've seen xmj say, but it is impressive.
09:04 assbot Logged on 11-09-2014 10:10:37; xmj: do yourself a favor, use ports-mgmt/porttools
09:04 mircea_popescu (i mean the whole monologue, not just the one line)
09:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.194815 = 1.1689 BTC [+] {5}
09:05 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif
09:05 nubbins` my sides
09:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19703837 = 0.9852 BTC [+] {5}
09:07 fluffypony nubbins`: at least they're being useful and helping with cleaning
09:07 nubbins` nod
09:07 nubbins` Swiffer PetJet
09:08 nubbins` another one here somewhere
09:08 nubbins` http://imgur.com/sXZux7B
09:08 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
09:09 nubbins` what's the word for when something is made to look like a human?
09:09 nubbins` tip of my tongue
09:10 nubbins` anthropomorphism
09:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00076749 = 9.7087 BTC [-]
09:10 fluffypony I was going to go for greenpeace
09:10 fluffypony O.o
09:11 nubbins` orcapomorphism
09:11 nubbins` wait
09:11 nubbins` orcamorphism?
09:11 punkman aye
09:12 mircea_popescu o hay beautyon_ ! Le never fails to unintentionally entertain, but really, that's one you should prolly blog.
09:14 mircea_popescu nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif <<< bwahhah cat magnet
09:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11593 @ 0.00076749 = 8.8975 BTC [-]
09:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.199 = 0.796 BTC [+]
09:15 nubbins` :D
09:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+] {3}
09:22 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz.
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09:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2010101 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2}
09:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.19315992 = 9.0785 BTC [-] {5}
10:01 thestringpuller when will assbot have !bait
10:01 thestringpuller !bait
10:01 thestringpuller :(
10:02 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/b56dc09335df5284be9ffc571b1b2a3e/tumblr_mn5gg0b2Ki1r28s53o1_1280.png here.
10:03 thestringpuller yay!
10:11 assbot kolinko +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
10:13 mircea_popescu !up kolinko
10:16 mircea_popescu kolinko np. what brings you here ?
10:16 mircea_popescu (you the appcodes kolinko ?)
10:16 kolinko yes
10:17 kolinko I founded Orisi two months ago (orisi.org) - it's a framework for building smart contracts
10:17 mircea_popescu if you prove that i'll rate you, then you can self voice
10:17 kolinko cool, will do that in a few minutes
10:18 kolinko and I'm thinking of building a bitcoin smart contract for put/call options
10:18 mircea_popescu the contract ain';t the problem there.
10:19 kolinko what's the problem then?
10:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2319997 = 0.696 BTC [-]
10:21 kolinko (the idea is that a smart contract would be protected by a set of trustworthy individuals - no reliance on a single point of failure)
10:22 mircea_popescu kolinko http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ read the misc section.
10:22 assbot MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:22 mircea_popescu and when you're done with that, to put things in perspective for you, mpex carried about 1mn total btc worth of options over a coupla years.
10:24 RagnarDanneskjol also, 'trustworthy' is rather subjective
10:25 mircea_popescu a "single point of failure" is a trustworthy individual by definition anyway.
10:25 kolinko mircea_popescu - confirmation that I'm the appcodes kolinko: twitter.com/kolinko
10:25 RagnarDanneskjol haha
10:25 mircea_popescu ;;rate kolinko appcodes guy
10:25 gribble Error: 'appcodes' is not a valid integer.
10:25 mircea_popescu ;;rate kolinko 1 appcodes guy
10:25 gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kolinko has been recorded.
10:25 mircea_popescu kolinko id with gribble, pm assbot !up you get voice.
10:25 RagnarDanneskjol oh i see nao
10:28 kolinko mircea: I'll read the misc in a sec. as for your volume - I know it well - I'm your user since 2012 iirc
10:29 kolinko the idea for the distributed contract was that if I want to build a business that relies on options, such a business shouldn't rely on a single individual/company
10:29 mircea_popescu the problem with this approach is that if they're to be trusted they're sops by definition, and vice-versa.
10:30 kolinko well, but if we had a panel of 15 trustworthy individuals, with a consensus of more than 50% of them required to release the fund
10:30 mircea_popescu sybil attacks, and why would they be arsed to care about your needs.
10:30 mircea_popescu these aren't simple problems, and they're unsimple for fundamental reasons, it's not a matter of implementation.
10:30 mircea_popescu circle cvadrature is not a question of "get better draing tools"
10:31 mircea_popescu drawing*
10:31 kolinko well, sybil attack is really only a problem in systems that rely on anonymous parties
10:32 kolinko as for why would be they arsed - for provision/payment of course
10:32 jurov lol how would panel of 15 trustworthy individuals come up with bitcoin vwap to be used for option exercises?
10:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6683 @ 0.00076749 = 5.1291 BTC [-]
10:32 mircea_popescu you are wrong in the first. sybil attacks are a problem on all systems that rely on identity to any degree.
10:32 kolinko the same way it happens now with centralised systems?
10:32 mircea_popescu in any form and in any way.
10:33 mircea_popescu and the arsed problem is not something to brush aside. the better your sybil protection, the more expensive their pointless expense.
10:33 mircea_popescu so they won't be arsed.
10:33 jurov kolinko it currently does not happen, that's the problem
10:33 mircea_popescu jurov well... it happened with libor :D
10:33 mircea_popescu lotta trusted parties involved there. lulz.
10:34 kolinko jurov: the idea is that you agree on an algorithm beforehand, and everyone uses the same one
10:34 mircea_popescu anyway, sybil attacks are specifically not a problem in anon systems. if you go for a romp in a gay cinema, to be fucked by a random man, it makes no difference to you who fucks you, so you can't be sybil'd by definition.
10:35 kolinko lol
10:35 mircea_popescu lol all you will, tis true :)
10:35 kolinko :)
10:35 ThickAsThieves trust is a commodity
10:36 mircea_popescu now, if you want to go back and get diddled by THE SAME GUY AS LAST TIME, you're in for it.
10:36 ThickAsThieves it can be sold out anytime
10:36 ThickAsThieves just sometimes the price aint what it seems
10:36 kolinko what I meant is - if you have a system of 15 parties, each one of them signing messages with their own gpg keys, that can be quite secure against the sybil attack. the attacker would have to steal keys of 8 independent parties.
10:37 mircea_popescu people tend to easily forget what identity means. here it is : =. every time you're using an equality sign, numerical, logical or otherwise you're relying on identity. cuz that's what it is.
10:37 kolinko collution between parties is another matter of course
10:37 mircea_popescu kolinko no, because how do you get the 15 parties ?
10:37 mircea_popescu what if one wants to join ? were they 8 at some point ? 6 ?
10:37 ThickAsThieves collusion + pollution = collution?
10:37 mircea_popescu if god gave us 15 pilars then that'd be that
10:37 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lmao
10:38 mircea_popescu kolinko if you have a process to go from 1 party to two, then you have a sybil problem. and to have 15 you necessarily must have had that process.
10:39 kolinko not necessarily
10:39 mircea_popescu unless you've revolutionized counting, yes.
10:39 mircea_popescu this is fundamental mathematics we're discussing here.
10:40 kolinko you can create the list of 15 all at once. people wouldn't trust the list because they saw it being created. they trust the list, because they can review it one by one, and see that all the individuals are indeed trustworthy
10:40 ThickAsThieves :/
10:41 kolinko in other words - you don't trust the list of 15 people because the list of 14 people said that you should trust it. you trust the list because you can see who's on it, and they look trustworthy.
10:41 ThickAsThieves why are we making lists and giving things to 15 people? i guess i better read the logs, is this OT or something?
10:41 mircea_popescu "all at once" ? what is this.
10:41 mircea_popescu simultaneity in reality ? through what magic ?
10:41 mircea_popescu and anyway, if "you" create it then you're just counting from 1 to 15.
10:42 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, he's just trying to solve a fundamental problem through implementation and got blindsided by a theoretical exposition of it.
10:42 kolinko you're nitpicking. what I meant is that it doesn't matter who created the list and how. what matters is whether the list really contains gpg keys of the people, and whether the people on the list want to participate
10:42 ThickAsThieves decentralization as an ideal doesnt really exist, it's just a degree of centralization
10:42 mircea_popescu but this also happens to be the definition of a sybil vulnerability.
10:43 ThickAsThieves which in turn is just order against chaos
10:43 kolinko well, every system is breakable. it's just a question of probability
10:43 mircea_popescu hence my comment about them being arsed to put up with the cost of the defense.
10:44 mircea_popescu and for that matter : the spf system is not breakable.
10:44 mircea_popescu this is the main advantage of an overlord that the decentralize fanboys tend to ignore. if you have a good overlord, the system is unbreakable period.
10:44 mircea_popescu not a question of any probabilities.
10:45 ThickAsThieves til a nuke lands on your head at least
10:45 kolinko the problem is that the overlord can disappear at any time
10:45 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but see, if you delete the program, you can't say you've broken the code.
10:45 ThickAsThieves fair enough
10:45 mircea_popescu a system that either works as intended or not at all is the holy grail of unbreakability.
10:45 mircea_popescu kolinko yes.
10:45 ThickAsThieves but arent we discussing sustainability of a system?
10:45 mircea_popescu well it's reasonably unclear what we're actually discussing.
10:46 ThickAsThieves hehe
10:46 kolinko as for people being bothered into doing this - it's a valid question, but one that can only be answered by trying it in practice
10:46 ThickAsThieves for me, arguing against centralization as a broad value is silly
10:46 mircea_popescu nah, it can actually be answered in theory too. just, it gets esoteric quickly.
10:47 ThickAsThieves these are just system design factors
10:47 kolinko :)
10:47 ThickAsThieves not ideals or such
10:47 kolinko what I'm really trying to figure out is whether people would be willing to try such a system
10:47 ThickAsThieves people will try anything if youre wearing the right clothes
10:47 mircea_popescu i wouldn't.
10:47 mircea_popescu but some people might, sure.
10:48 mircea_popescu imo the avenue to this standardisation is, once moloko delivers the registrar of deeds, and if indeed we want to do a lot of option trade,
10:48 mircea_popescu it'll just work from there relying on the wot and that.
10:49 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/tango-on-avenida-corrientes-buenos-aires/
10:49 mircea_popescu but really, there doesn't seem to be that much demand for options once the darkpool and bitbet respectively take the slack.
10:50 ThickAsThieves so at first i was frustrated at this 1bTCXE trading challenge because basically what it is is they gave everyone a fake account with half BTC / half USD credits and people are set wild to trade the assets. However, there is no tie to the real market so it's mostly a psychological/economical experiment. In this case, is there theory on how such a market would play out?
10:51 mircea_popescu read up on schelling ?
10:51 ThickAsThieves only light exposure
10:51 ThickAsThieves i know the concept, but how do i see the point?
10:51 The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: re : keynesians - they still seem to be popular in the US. Alot worship at the temple
10:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: tango piece: did you take the creature home as a pet ?
10:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did not. too old.
10:52 asciilifeform aha.
10:52 kolinko let's say that I wanted to build a business that relies on options... a web wallet that maintains the users' bitcoin balance stable in relation to usd (e.g. I put $100 worth of btc into the wallet, and after a year I'm almost guaranteed to be able to withdraw $100, regardless of bitcoin price)
10:52 mircea_popescu experience shows girl under 30 or so has a lot of trouble reeducating.
10:53 mircea_popescu over*
10:53 kolinko such a business would require option trading on the backend. but how could it trade options securely, as of today?
10:53 mircea_popescu kolinko either on otc or maybe make bitbet bets.
10:53 The20YearIRCloud kol - it wouldn't be hard as long as you had a option to withdraw the USD
10:53 The20YearIRCloud We've kind of looked at something like that, but offering USD denominated bonds sold via bitcoin
10:53 mircea_popescu or i guess by trading the x.eur delivered future, if you can actually take delivery.
10:53 kolinko bitbet is centralised, and the business would have to rely on bitbet not failing, right?
10:54 los_pantalones the price of the vol on the puts is too high
10:54 mircea_popescu all trade relies on your conterparty not running off. but yes.
10:54 los_pantalones doesn't matter where you source it
10:54 kolinko otc is hard to do automatically/hard to scale, or am I wrong?
10:54 los_pantalones i'll sell to you on whatever platform you want
10:54 los_pantalones but you'll drown in vol premium
10:54 mircea_popescu los_pantalones bitbet is seriously not that expensive. 1% + time value.
10:54 los_pantalones that's a good point, bitbet is your cheapest option
10:54 mircea_popescu it is, yes.
10:54 los_pantalones standard vanilla options much more expensive
10:55 kolinko some good ideas here, thanks :)
10:55 jurov kolinko we did not solve the exercise price yet (which was mpoe's undoing)
10:55 mircea_popescu los_pantalones the eur future is actually even cheaper, arguably.
10:55 RagnarDanneskjol if you must oracle, aristocracy is your best bet kolinko: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_2_53902
10:55 assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
10:55 mircea_popescu course doing a synth option on a future is fucking tricky.
10:56 jurov how are these 15 people work on untrustworthy data from exchanges?
10:56 mircea_popescu jurov honestly, if you actually had 15 people that were there assembled for merit, not just random derpage
10:56 jurov regardless of you using bitbet or otc
10:56 mircea_popescu i'd rather trust their fixing than exchanges.
10:56 mircea_popescu you know how fixing works right ?
10:57 kolinko well, the most expensive variant would be to rely on humans
10:57 mircea_popescu yes, like with sex and food.
10:57 mircea_popescu the most expensive variant is to get actual sex and actual food.
10:57 kolinko i.e. each of the 15 operators provides the btc price, and the average is chosen after throwing away the extremes
10:57 jurov yes, if these people can back the fixed price then it would go well
10:57 mircea_popescu kolinko read up on fixing. srsly.
10:58 jurov but then that's different thing than some deciding oracle
10:58 mircea_popescu the thing that annoys me most about contemporaneity is that somehow it got convinced nothing pre ww2 ever happened. nfi why. so many excellent implementations of good solutions seem to just vanish in the general knowledge.
10:58 mircea_popescu jurov quite different yes.
10:59 kolinko it's still more secure than trusting a single party to provide the price, isn't it?
10:59 mircea_popescu only if you have a good selection of 15.
10:59 jurov !up mats_cd03
10:59 mircea_popescu like you knolw, two girls are a better fuck than just one. provided they're not insane.
10:59 mats_cd03 kolinko: funny enough, thats how LIBOR was pegged. didya catch how LIBOR ended up rigged?
11:00 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 i maintain it's free money that did it.
11:00 kolinko :) well, to really break the system you'd need 8 of 15 conspire without the other 7 discovering that
11:00 mircea_popescu kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy.
11:00 mats_cd03 what is with you and this magic 15 number. i don't get it
11:00 kolinko mats_cd03 didn't know about that. any link to the story? (or I can google)
11:00 mircea_popescu three times the five talmudic pillars ?
11:01 mircea_popescu one for each form of the trinity ?
11:01 kolinko if you have 100 nobody will be bother to independently verify the list. 5 is too few. also, 15 is a technical limit - the max number of sigs for bitcoin multisig wallet is 15
11:01 mircea_popescu ahahahaaha WHAT
11:01 mircea_popescu holy shit what is wrong with these derps.
11:02 mats_cd03 why not 11. come on, it works for the judicial system in the US!
11:02 mircea_popescu "o i know, instead of specifying this "hairball" we keep blaming on satoshi... how about we add... MORE MAGIC NUMBERS!!11"
11:02 mircea_popescu fucktards.
11:02 jurov kolinko again..these 15 say "the price at time T is P becuase.. some bullshit"
11:02 jurov 1000s worth of option exercise based on that
11:02 mats_cd03 oops... not 11... anyway.
11:02 mircea_popescu srsly, the "multisig" thing has an arbitrary 15 limit ?
11:02 jurov now you think the price was not fair
11:02 jurov what now?
11:03 kolinko mircea: 15 or 16. would have to check it again. but yeah, seriously
11:03 * mats_cd03 has forgotten all his American Constitutional Law, even basics
11:03 mircea_popescu kolinko shame on you for seriously thinking of pushing this crap downstream, seriously now.
11:03 mircea_popescu "the limit some idiots put in is 15 so now i'm going to make it part of my brain" ? what is wrong with you!
11:04 kolinko I'm not saying this is the best possible solution, only that it might be the most practical one
11:04 mircea_popescu code in such a way you won't be ashamed to show what you've written to your kids or the woman that may potentially carry them.
11:04 mats_cd03 tell me why i would trust even 8 of 15 folks in this system
11:05 mats_cd03 and don't fucking say its because there are 15 of them.
11:05 kolinko mats: you'd check the list one by one, and you'd determine that each one of them seems reasonable
11:05 RagnarDanneskjol seems legit
11:05 kolinko and that all of them are quite unlikely to collude
11:05 punkman if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around
11:06 mircea_popescu punkman you're starting to sound like the girls :D
11:06 mats_cd03 unless i have a handler that knows where they live, who their friends are, where their assets are kept, trusting that many individuals seems a tricky proposition. trusting just one is hard enough
11:06 kolinko no trust in the central authority / list creator. you'd see some folks with a high WoT rating, some bitcointalk hero members, some known businesspeople, and of course 8 of them would be us senators.
11:06 mircea_popescu holy shit
11:07 mats_cd03 heh hero members
11:07 kolinko :) oh come on, you know what I mean
11:07 punkman 8 US senators?
11:07 mircea_popescu well i guess mpoe-pr was a hero... member.
11:07 punkman stepping up the troll game?
11:08 mircea_popescu punkman barney frank, of "i fuck little boys" fame, comes to mind
11:08 mircea_popescu after all, he recently wrote a mega-piece of us trollery didn't he.
11:08 mircea_popescu well, co-author.
11:08 mats_cd03 i can't tell if you're trolling anymore
11:08 mats_cd03 10/10 masterful execution m8
11:08 thestringpuller i need about tree fiddy
11:08 kolinko you wouldn't really need to trust them to handle funds, just for them to be unable to conspire with eachother
11:09 RagnarDanneskjol better to go with british monarchy - at least you can find their parents if all goes to hell
11:09 asciilifeform for them to be unable to conspire with eachother << what'll you do? search their rectums for radios, then build each into own oubliette ?
11:09 mircea_popescu yeah, a system with charles and barney frank.
11:09 mircea_popescu no this is starting to sound better and better. i hope they make a mars lander.
11:09 mircea_popescu could that nut with virgin be part of it too ? he is a businessman, after a fashion.
11:10 mircea_popescu he knows how to make a small fortune out of things, provided he has a large one to start with.
11:10 kolinko it's not about creating a system that's impossible to cheat, it's about creating a system that's too hard to cheat
11:10 jurov i'd vouch for assbot to be included
11:10 jurov the most trusted bot in the WoT
11:11 kolinko :)
11:11 mircea_popescu kolinko you're so far making a system that's too hard not to laugh at.
11:11 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24218749 = 1.9375 BTC [+] {2}
11:11 mats_cd03 https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf an oldie but still good. 'on the impossibility of obfuscating programs.'
11:12 mircea_popescu los_pantalones let me guess, the situation is that calls you don't really know how to price and so don't really want to sell and puts you can price perfectly well and nobody can afford ?
11:12 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 nu-uh, there's ioncube!
11:13 kolinko did you read a piece by Gavin on bit-thereum? http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/06/bit-thereum.html - he's arguing for a similar thing
11:13 assbot GavinTech: Bit-thereum
11:13 kolinko (a proof by authority: yay! )
11:13 mircea_popescu well gavin doesn't enjoy much of a reputation for a thinker around here, but let's see.
11:14 mats_cd03 b-b-but, my brain work g-g-good...
11:14 mod6 t-t-t-today Junior!
11:15 mircea_popescu meh. guy's just jotting down random thoughts. they are pretty broken, but can't judge one on that. anyway.
11:15 jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UdOn2VunQ
11:15 assbot SNAP! - World in my Hands - YouTube
11:16 mircea_popescu anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book.
11:16 mircea_popescu doubt you read it, prolly exactly what you're looking for re the btcxe thing
11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00076808 = 5.5302 BTC [+]
11:17 mats_cd03 not to be a douchebag, or anything, kolinko, but i am reminded of this American serial Boardwalk Empire
11:18 RagnarDanneskjol great book - here's pdf: http://nazbol.net/library/authors/Thomas%20Schelling/The%20Strategy%20of%20Conflict.pdf
11:18 mats_cd03 main character, an old fuck named Nucky, says to a useless subordinate
11:18 mats_cd03 'Shut the fuck up Donny, you're out of your element.'
11:18 kolinko I totally am, that's why I came to you guys to talk and learn
11:19 kolinko "Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sorta good at something" -- Jake The Dog
11:19 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol o hey nice, i had no idea it's floating around
11:20 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Drunk rating, he tripped the paranoia alarms
11:20 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 he has a point, look at all the great discussion he caused.
11:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well don't drunk rate eh.
11:20 mats_cd03 oh wait... i think i'm referencing the wrong thing actually. seppeku.
11:20 mircea_popescu thing is when you rate, you force everyone to evaluate things. some people precache, and do it on the spot, some others will do it over time.
11:20 mircea_popescu consider the discussion with rithm re guruvan earlier.
11:21 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 sepukku.
11:21 mircea_popescu can't even speal.
11:21 mats_cd03 doh
11:22 mod6 discussion is good, reading ~900 days of logs is probably a pre-requisite
11:22 mircea_popescu i wonder how long that takes lol.
11:23 mod6 lol. can't finish until you start :)
11:23 mircea_popescu actually it's not even 900, only about 500 or so. logs start last year in spring.
11:23 mod6 ah, ok.
11:24 mircea_popescu the chan is old enough to have had nefario derping et all, but im not sure that's avail on website
11:24 thestringpuller nefario: "I have this great idea guys. It's called GLBSE"
11:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27894 @ 0.00076811 = 21.4257 BTC [+] {2}
11:24 thestringpuller "If you have any assets you want to list email me!"
11:25 mircea_popescu ;;seen nefario
11:25 gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
11:25 assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EJ7Z8Y.txt )
11:25 mircea_popescu !b 5
11:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller brilliantly played, sir.
11:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.24645726 = 2.711 BTC [+] {3}
11:26 mats_cd03 !s muppetlabs
11:26 assbot 0 results for 'muppetlabs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=muppetlabs
11:26 mats_cd03 http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html and http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/rsa.html worth a read
11:26 assbot A Whirlwind Tutorial on Creating Really Teensy ELF Executables for Linux
11:27 assbot Prime Number Hide-and-Seek: How the RSA Cipher Works
11:27 mircea_popescu not bad,
11:28 mircea_popescu dude i had forgotten what a nice ass penny ford has
11:28 mircea_popescu well... had.
11:30 BingoBoingo k
11:30 RagnarDanneskjol !up mats_cd03
11:30 kolinko (what's the etiquette if I'm going afk? !down to assbot ? )
11:30 mircea_popescu nah
11:31 mircea_popescu there's no etuiqueety, we're assholes.
11:31 mats_cd03 penny ford, the negress?
11:31 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 snap girl, jurov linked it earlier
11:32 mats_cd03 good timing, now i feel like an asshole.
11:33 mats_cd03 for anyone interested in .mil films or trashcanistan, restrepo + korengal are excellent and worth watching
11:34 xmj moin
11:34 xmj fluffypony: progress is going well, i suppose?
11:35 mircea_popescu !up dooglus
11:35 mircea_popescu o look who's there.
11:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25282 @ 0.00076769 = 19.4087 BTC [-] {2}
11:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 976 @ 0.00076719 = 0.7488 BTC [-] {2}
11:40 fluffypony xmj: had to pause it to do other stuff, will pick it up again tomorrow
11:40 fluffypony but at least it compiles and runs from github
11:40 xmj that's good news!
11:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00076812 = 21.2769 BTC [+]
11:47 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. /// glad to see you say so, it's a point often missed in many circumstances. for example, some want to paint USG as a hyper conspiracy and assume all its evil/scammy actions are fully intentional. More likely, it just evolved to be a broken shit in all corners of its
11:47 ThickAsThieves house, nurturing powers like overgrown weeds that now appear to make up the whole lawn.
11:48 mircea_popescu i thought that was my stated perspective all through.
11:49 ThickAsThieves <+punkman> if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around /// oh lord!
11:49 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves imagine if they also had tits.
11:49 BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/11/0041227/x-class-solar-flare-coming-friday << Time to practice your Em shielding
11:49 assbot X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday - Slashdot
11:50 * jurov puts on his tinfoil hat
11:50 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. /// will check it out
11:50 mircea_popescu fun fact : living in argentina confers a lot of immunity to flares :D
11:53 mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats
11:53 gribble Current Blocks: 320167 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29233824168.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.58142
11:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.232 = 2.32 BTC [-] {2}
11:56 ThickAsThieves does AM even pay divs anymore?
11:56 asciilifeform obligatory:
11:57 asciilifeform http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard06.php
11:57 assbot Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive
11:57 asciilifeform 'I turn the page on the excuse sheet. "SOLAR FLARES" stares out at me. I'd better read up on that.'
11:57 ThickAsThieves last div was in March, heh
11:57 xmj asciilifeform: BOFH excuse calendar fortune on terminal opening.
11:57 xmj great fun.
11:57 asciilifeform '"MAGNETS! Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets - Solar Flares hate that." "Wow! Thanks."'
11:58 xmj asciilifeform: fortune /usr/local/share/games/fortune/bofh
11:58 xmj I dare you.
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
12:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.33692344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 638 satoshi per share
12:04 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/b3a3dd1cbcd669da88f90b82eb61f19f/tumblr_n115a1cQcW1t9sgudo1_500.jpg grain!
12:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sovpr0n ?
12:05 asciilifeform (not the 'genuine article,' clearly, but in the spirit of 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' for germans)
12:08 ThickAsThieves http://brianmatthews60.blogspot.com/2014/03/ilsa-she-wolf-of-ss.html
12:08 assbot Movie Ramble: Ilsa She Wolf of the SS.
12:08 ThickAsThieves looks like some gnarly stuff
12:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.25111536 = 13.058 BTC [+] {5}
12:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.269 = 0.538 BTC [+]
12:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol i guess.
12:16 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves buncha sexploitations of the 70s, they're all pretty much the same thing.
12:16 mircea_popescu ;;google Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen trilema
12:16 gribble Februarie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/02>; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/>; Martie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/03>
12:24 mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7b1e31efb1da4ad0a1d9d0e1d467c1d/tumblr_n0dessqa1c1rs2onlo1_1280.jpg new chlamydia cure.
12:24 ThickAsThieves get this: "CM was described as a "virtual company” by LTC-Global (and accordingly referred to as such in the CM Business Plan). However, as a matter of English law, CM may be considered a general partnership. If that is the case, then the 'shareholders' of CM - which includes yourself - would all be considered partners. As partners, they would all be jointly and severally liable for
12:24 ThickAsThieves CM's debts, including the 'Bond'. It is therefore possible that 'bondholders' may seek to take legal action against CM's 'shareholders', including yourself, to seek to recover that debt. However, if 'bondholders' accept the restructure plan proposed below, that risk might be mitigated."
12:25 ThickAsThieves it continues to say shareholders get to vote on this move, (not bondholders)
12:25 ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg8732682#msg8732682
12:25 assbot [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR
12:25 mircea_popescu lmao
12:25 mircea_popescu that torturous pseudolegal interpretation has exactly no grounds to stand on.
12:26 mircea_popescu isn't this the "uk busineswoman" of great repute that i "viciously attacked" for "no good reason" last year ?
12:27 mircea_popescu kate/craig wood ?
12:27 ThickAsThieves yes
12:27 ThickAsThieves owes me 150btc
12:28 mircea_popescu heh.
12:28 ThickAsThieves not that i expect to see it
12:28 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/f9532aaee443a7620f0f02ebc6a82753/tumblr_myxfk7hFOJ1t47ykxo1_250.gif
12:28 nubbins` lel
12:28 ThickAsThieves unsure whether legal pursuit would be worth it
12:29 mircea_popescu maybe you could get his "woman of the year in buziness" trophy ?
12:29 fluffypony probably more trouble than its worth
12:29 ThickAsThieves she does seem to have assets
12:29 RagnarDanneskjol oh yea
12:29 mircea_popescu or maybe the uk could be forced to pay for having swindled the general public with pointless "women too" bullshit ?
12:30 ThickAsThieves i never intended to hold the bonds long term, it was just a risky trade. btct closed while in the process of selling em off...
12:30 ThickAsThieves lessons
12:30 mircea_popescu that's the way these "profits" go.
12:30 mircea_popescu herpy derp, make 1% ten times then lose it all on the 11th pass.
12:31 ThickAsThieves something like that
12:31 mircea_popescu but people generally don't want to believe asshole "single points of failure", because decentralized wisdom tells them "it works just fine"
12:31 mircea_popescu lyf.
12:35 ThickAsThieves i wonder if more loss was caused by gov influence to shut down btc exchsnges, than if they remainded open
12:36 mircea_popescu define loss.
12:36 ThickAsThieves customers getting more bitcoins out
12:37 ThickAsThieves as in if bf and btct werent shut down by USG, the lie may have played out to less loss
12:38 ThickAsThieves i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems
12:38 ThickAsThieves with no real gain
12:38 ThickAsThieves all i'm saying is if BTCT didnt close i woulda sold them shits!
12:40 ThickAsThieves and then the Bitfunder thing is still a total mystery
12:40 punkman passing the bad doesn't make it disappear
12:40 punkman *bag
12:40 ThickAsThieves indeed
12:40 kolinko quick question re: trusted data feeds. is the problem generally in the api/site potentially getting hacked, or the algorithm for a computation of one being suspectible to manipulation? what's the problem with deciding that the btc/usd price is an average of btc-e, bitstamp & kraken, each adjusted for volume?
12:41 punkman kolinko: the problem is all three might misplace their decimal points
12:41 ThickAsThieves it happens
12:41 punkman btw
12:41 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2301 = 0.6903 BTC [-] {2}
12:42 ThickAsThieves you see glitched trade feeds in an exchange every few mos
12:42 punkman !search orisi
12:42 assbot 3 results for 'orisi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=orisi
12:42 asciilifeform your isp also may succumb to temptation to nudge a decimal.
12:42 punkman !search oracle
12:42 assbot 86 results for 'oracle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oracle
12:42 kolinko punkman:wow, cool, thx
12:44 kolinko thick: but isn't that a matter of a better averaging algorithm construction? e.g. if one of the exchanges is far away, we're suspending the feed until situation resolves (would obviously need to be more elaborate)
12:45 mike_c and what do you do when the biggest exchange goes apeshit and has a price that is 50% different than the others for weeks?
12:45 mike_c oh, wait, this is what happenned
12:46 punkman and the bot is still suspended
12:46 ThickAsThieves it's worse now actually,
12:46 ThickAsThieves any notable movement on any of the 4 or so top exchanges will cause movement on the rest
12:46 ThickAsThieves so one glitch would indeed have implications
12:47 kolinko a failsafe rule for removal that one exchange from the computation?
12:47 ThickAsThieves what if its real?
12:47 ThickAsThieves you gonna dictate the mkt now?
12:48 kolinko or letting trusted humans solve the issue? or a requierement for both parties to figure out the agreement?
12:48 ThickAsThieves people wanna do things like circuit-breakers, and curating the data somehow, it's all shit imo
12:49 punkman kolinko, full circle back to OTC GPG contracts?
12:49 kolinko arbitrage/human interventions work in the real world
12:49 mircea_popescu <ThickAsThieves> i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems << bingo.
12:49 mircea_popescu idiots losing their btc ohldings is a net plus for society.
12:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00076768 = 21.3415 BTC [-] {2}
12:50 nubbins` depends who they lose em to
12:50 ThickAsThieves well, youre welcome society, for my earlier transgressions!
12:50 mircea_popescu kolinko> quick question re: trusted data feeds what's the problem with deciding that << you know what wash trading is ?
12:50 xmj KODE_YETI: you around yet?
12:51 kolinko mircea_popescu: will go and read about it
12:51 thestringpuller mod6: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/showbiz/rapper-arrested/
12:51 mircea_popescu the problem of trust is a very long and sensitive chain. creating a 99% functional chain still doesn't create a functional chain.
12:51 ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> you know what wash trading is ? /// still happens quite obviously in btc exchanges
12:52 mircea_popescu as to trusted humans, read up on fixing, as a pricing procedure. it's been explained in the logs a year ago, too
12:52 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves and even without the major incentive of gaming a large options operation
12:52 ThickAsThieves the margin and futures scene is heating up tho
12:53 mircea_popescu in all the bad ways.
12:53 ThickAsThieves yep
12:53 ThickAsThieves i watched these new chinese futures a lil and its basically being traded like btc, no real future sentiment at all
12:54 kolinko ThickAsThieves: how is it heating up? where can I track news? (thx for answering all the basic questions)
12:54 ThickAsThieves all the chinese exchanges are no-fee
12:54 ThickAsThieves and now offering bonds
12:54 ThickAsThieves cmon now
12:54 mircea_popescu myup.
12:54 mircea_popescu but hey, why should i worry about that :D
12:54 mircea_popescu we have hard currency, let them fail, what's the problem.
12:55 nubbins` BUT IF THEY'RE NO-FEE....
12:55 ThickAsThieves i wish you offered BTCUSD trading in some capacity
12:55 kolinko arent those exchanges for kids with pocket change and fools?
12:55 nubbins` kolinko remove the word "those"
12:55 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i won't without a submissive government, and then it'd be btc/that fiat.
12:55 asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: usd is a 'tar baby'
12:56 ThickAsThieves kolinko its hard to tell real exchange volume
12:56 ThickAsThieves china def fakes/washes
12:56 kolinko makes sense
12:56 ThickAsThieves bfx has some kinda sneaky something going on
12:57 ThickAsThieves often limit orders not filling
12:57 mircea_popescu they imported the icbit software lol
12:57 ThickAsThieves i do like bfx otherwise tho
12:57 mircea_popescu well otherwise what's not to like.
12:57 ThickAsThieves miles better than any other exchange
12:57 mircea_popescu i like mcdonalds otherwise too :D
12:57 ThickAsThieves hehe
13:00 ThickAsThieves i think part of the bfx shenanigans lie in how they display one decimal place for USD in orderbook, but allow orders to specify 2 places
13:00 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves anyway, if you manage to get through the hoops on davout's exchange you can practically trade the eur
13:00 ThickAsThieves does it haz leverage?
13:01 ThickAsThieves and liquidity
13:01 nubbins` probably the wrong crowd around for this, but any interest in a 2012-funded 25btc casascius coin w/ pgp docs?
13:02 ThickAsThieves interested, sure, just not interested in insane premiums it probably comes with
13:02 ThickAsThieves whats that go for these days?
13:03 ThickAsThieves +$5k?
13:03 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves afaik there's a liquidity bot, and im sure you can get better leverage elsewhere.
13:03 mircea_popescu nubbins` it's not really over 100 btc is it ?!
13:08 nubbins` ? nooo
13:08 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: a 25btc coin selling for 10btc? :0
13:09 punkman 10btc premium
13:09 nubbins` oh, heh.
13:09 nubbins` nah, around 28-30 would be more realistic
13:10 mircea_popescu the 14k coin ?
13:10 mircea_popescu not bad.
13:11 nubbins` i think it's just plated
13:12 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560583
13:12 assbot Logged on 14-03-2014 20:49:27; asciilifeform: turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially:
13:12 ThickAsThieves those bars and coins are like the best btc investment ever
13:12 mircea_popescu notrly, but anyway
13:12 ThickAsThieves well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins
13:13 ThickAsThieves 100btc gold bars cost what originally?
13:13 mircea_popescu s.mpoe was 2k satoshi originally.,
13:14 ThickAsThieves i guess AM maybe was best rise
13:14 ThickAsThieves .1 to 5.6
13:14 mircea_popescu ;;google trilema history best investments btc
13:14 gribble The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin>; MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-one-year-of-dividends>; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest- (1 more message)
13:14 ThickAsThieves mah cookie is borked again
13:15 nubbins` AM and casascius coins were both pretty yeasty investments
13:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23013333 = 0.6904 BTC [+] {3}
13:15 nubbins` cas coins, still going up
13:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.20150114 = 7.0525 BTC [-] {4}
13:16 mircea_popescu i suppose in the end one can count the poroductive btc investments on a hand
13:17 mircea_popescu jd is in there too
13:17 mircea_popescu i suppose satoshi dice too, in a marginal sorta sense "either you sold at a profit or held for no loss" sorta thing
13:17 asciilifeform how are sd and jd more than simple chumpatronic pumps ?
13:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the investment side.
13:17 asciilifeform aha
13:17 mircea_popescu ie, you could bankroll them
13:18 * asciilifeform never understood why these needed investment
13:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26578 @ 0.0007671 = 20.388 BTC [-] {2}
13:18 asciilifeform same as the ancient question 'why does god need a starship'
13:18 mircea_popescu to cover for the risk of ruin.
13:18 ThickAsThieves xbond and nam's bond did ok in the end
13:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose you run a casino, and i come and play with a dollar.
13:19 mircea_popescu i keep betting all on black and winning
13:19 asciilifeform chance of this, vs. asteroid ?
13:19 mircea_popescu fifty two wins into my streak... what do you do ?
13:19 mircea_popescu matters not. still gotta cover for the bets you make
13:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00076639 = 3.274 BTC [-] {2}
13:19 nubbins` ^
13:20 ThickAsThieves mp is saying sell dat mpoe!
13:20 asciilifeform what you do << 'what do you do when a shell lands in your trench? jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.'
13:21 ThickAsThieves http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-britain-boe-bitcoin-idUSKBN0H61ID20140911 funny i read the BoE thing and got a positive impression
13:21 assbot Bank of England sees Bitcoin fraud risk, deflation danger| Reuters
13:21 nubbins` ThickAsThieves: the edge you have to walk with casascius coins is btc value vs fiat value
13:22 ThickAsThieves Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does
13:22 nubbins` so far the market has been completely ignoring fluctuations in exchange rates
13:22 ThickAsThieves says reuters
13:23 ThickAsThieves "A significant risk to digital currencies' sustained use (is) that they will not be able to compete on cost without degenerating ... to a monopoly miner, thereby ... exposing them to risk of system-wide fraud," the BoE said.
13:24 ThickAsThieves i wonder if they considered mapping thay logic to themselves
13:24 ThickAsThieves that*
13:26 nubbins` actually, i can't think of any other examples where the value of something in btc steadily increases over time
13:26 nubbins` admittedly, no coffee yet
13:28 TomServo I've wondered about this too - what are the arguments against guns, jewelry, land?
13:29 TomServo art ;)
13:29 BingoBoingo !t m s.wol
13:29 assbot Some are born to endless night.
13:30 TomServo Doh, I missed the 'in btc' part - for shame.
13:31 ThickAsThieves any collectible is at the mercy of its popularity
13:32 ThickAsThieves and scarcity
13:32 ThickAsThieves when i was a kid, the elder generation thought baseball cards were good investments
13:32 ThickAsThieves look at them now
13:33 nubbins` beanie babies
13:33 nubbins` magic cards
13:33 ThickAsThieves they probly dont even keep up with inflation
13:34 nubbins` lots of old coinage, too
13:34 ThickAsThieves after a while, no one gives a shit about Bo jackson
13:34 nubbins` bo knows!
13:34 BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Fuck you, Bo Jackson is an exemplar.
13:35 ThickAsThieves hey i was a big fan
13:35 ThickAsThieves but yknow
13:35 ThickAsThieves i still have all his cards somewhere i think
13:35 ThickAsThieves one day!
13:36 nubbins` found a box of old hockey cards a couple weeks ago
13:36 ThickAsThieves i think i have a brett hull rookie
13:36 nubbins` i've got bobby hull's autograph on a vuarnet t-shirt!!
13:36 nubbins` ahaha, the 90s
13:37 ThickAsThieves lol $9 card
13:37 ThickAsThieves seems overpriced
13:37 TomServo brett hull rookie is $9?!
13:38 ThickAsThieves the one i have at least, i think, i forget all the opeechee topps variant stuff
13:40 ThickAsThieves i just checked my mtgox account balance, 0.12504189! Score!
13:41 nubbins` sweet, let's spend it on pizza!
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.0007649 = 22.1416 BTC [-] {2}
13:43 BingoBoingo The problem with Baseball cards was them emulated the utility of stamps too much, but without understanding why stamps got so expensive for the rarities
13:44 BingoBoingo Stamps, mostly being a tool for money transmission
13:45 ThickAsThieves blowstamps!
13:46 BingoBoingo Seriously
13:46 ThickAsThieves i started with stamps actually
13:46 ThickAsThieves was in the stamp club
13:46 ThickAsThieves and chess club
13:46 BingoBoingo Stamps were basically pre-internet Bitcoin
13:46 ThickAsThieves i was a real cool kid obv
13:47 ThickAsThieves all i really remember about the scene was the famous inverted jenny
13:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61450 @ 0.00076401 = 46.9484 BTC [-] {3}
13:50 nubbins` heh, speaking of collectibles
13:51 nubbins` ;;view 21426
13:51 gribble #21426 Thu Sep 11 13:50:24 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 Radiohead autographed band photo @ 0 BTC (Signed by all members. PM offers. Includes original packaging & letter from W.A.S.T.E.)
13:51 nubbins` see if there's any interest
14:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 900 @ 0.00060608 = 0.5455 BTC [-] {11}
14:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19710999 = 1.9711 BTC [-] {6}
14:09 punkman http://www.coindesk.com/spain-cracks-bitcoin-gambling-loopholes/
14:09 assbot Spain Cracks Down on Bitcoin Gambling Loopholes
14:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.197 = 1.379 BTC [-] {3}
14:14 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19702 = 0.9851 BTC [-] {2}
14:16 punkman https://github.com/Coinffeine/coinffeine/wiki/Exchange-algorithm#protocol-overview
14:16 assbot Exchange algorithm Coinffeine/coinffeine Wiki GitHub
14:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00076836 = 54.3999 BTC [+] {3}
14:17 asciilifeform punkman: cribbed.
14:17 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2014#738154
14:17 assbot Logged on 30-06-2014 05:21:05; asciilifeform: idea was, you send, e.g. some btc to addr A, in n parcels. low bits of the parcels encode, e.g. an ltc address. to which the corresponding amount of ltc is then sent.
14:18 punkman this is for fiat/btc
14:18 punkman I don't see the purpose of their algorithm
14:18 asciilifeform then uninteresting
14:18 asciilifeform where in what blockchain can you stuff fiat.
14:20 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/judge-wont-release-surveillance-video-of-courthouse-cop-killing-defendant
14:20 assbot Judge wont release surveillance video of courthouse cop killing defendant | Ars Technica
14:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00059611 = 0.8942 BTC [-] {6}
14:28 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.197 = 0.985 BTC [-] {2}
14:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.197 = 2.167 BTC [-] {2}
14:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 93 @ 0.19413978 = 18.055 BTC [-] {2}
14:41 The20YearIRCloud wonder why that is
14:44 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00058156 = 0.5816 BTC [-] {29}
14:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00056001 = 0.56 BTC [-] {3}
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15:06 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves:
15:06 mircea_popescu Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does << "we read something on a tripod homepage and now believe this is the world"
15:06 mircea_popescu direct result of "i read it on wikipedia"
15:08 mircea_popescu "Citing security concerns, a Utah federal judge is refusing to release courthouse surveillance footage that captured a US marshal killing a defendant during a gang-related trial.
15:08 mircea_popescu The tape's existence, first reported by The Salt Lake Tribune Wednesday, came to public light five months after federal authorities who watched the tape cleared the marshal of wronging. "
15:09 mircea_popescu lmao security concerns indeed. "if anyone not working for the usg found out what we do in thhis here so called "courthouse" they'd prolly set us all on fire"
15:09 mircea_popescu i suppose serbia should bomb the us now.
15:09 asciilifeform serbia's mouth is a little too full of nato cock
15:10 mircea_popescu what, i thought this is socialism.
15:10 mircea_popescu aren't they all equal over there ?
15:11 asciilifeform lol.
15:11 mircea_popescu have i been lied to omg
15:11 asciilifeform 'some more equal than others' (tm)
15:11 mircea_popescu so serbia more equal than us right ?
15:12 asciilifeform equality coming out of her ears.
15:12 mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol there's really no need for all these emails.
15:13 mircea_popescu say here if anything, if not not worth saying.
15:13 RagnarDanneskjol sorry - it helps me keep track of things
15:13 mircea_popescu yes, the log does. it helps me too, so.
15:14 RagnarDanneskjol can't attach candidate resumes to logs
15:14 RagnarDanneskjol but ok
15:16 mircea_popescu i do it all the time. "he's x y z looking to k". not really that big a deal.
15:16 mircea_popescu coupla lines should be enough, it's what anyone ever reads anyway.
15:23 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - to be clear, do you want me to dump all that unit testing data to the logs? or just leave it alone and hope it comes out right?
15:24 mircea_popescu if it;s worth discussing it goes here. if it is not, it is not.
15:24 mircea_popescu email is not a dump.
15:24 mircea_popescu and if you use it like a dump in your general course of business, you're prolly fucking yourself over and not even realise it.
15:27 RagnarDanneskjol i only communicate that which is critical as concisely as possible. sorry, dont know any other hiring managers using irc, so
15:27 mircea_popescu revolutionary huh ?
15:27 mircea_popescu anyway.
15:28 RagnarDanneskjol it just seems the unit tests for the bot would be considered flooding the channel
15:28 mircea_popescu it's not nearly as bad as scary it seems.
15:28 RagnarDanneskjol i'm all for it
15:38 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/11/emanuel_cleaver_molotov_cocktail_black_missouri_congressman_s_office_targeted.html
15:38 assbot Emanuel Cleaver Molotov cocktail: Black Missouri congressman's office targeted.
15:39 mircea_popescu !up tryphe_
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16:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00076697 = 7.8231 BTC [-]
16:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4805 @ 0.00076697 = 3.6853 BTC [-]
16:22 FabianB aha, mpex fixed
16:22 FabianB $mpexstatus
16:23 empyex FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
16:23 empyex FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (1079 milliseconds), mpex.bz (7600 milliseconds), mpex.co (976 milliseconds), mpex.biz (1001 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (982 milliseconds)
16:23 empyex FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
16:32 chetty http://drudgereport.com/ohh.jpg
16:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00076452 = 8.295 BTC [-] {2}
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16:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17717499 = 0.7087 BTC [-] {3}
16:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00076697 = 3.9115 BTC [+]
17:02 BingoBoingo http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5686297&cid=47884135 << "Welcome to America, Canada's version of Mexico."
17:02 assbot CBC Warns Canadians of "US Law Enforcement Money Extortion Program" - Slashdot
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17:38 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 << loltron! flamefest from '09 still going strong. they never, ever get tired.
17:38 assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure
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17:54 mircea_popescu FabianB nice tickmarks
17:55 mircea_popescu !up chalbersma
17:56 asciilifeform http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-1.2760736 << lol
17:56 assbot American shakedown: Police won't charge you, but they'll grab your money - World - CBC News
17:57 mircea_popescu The CBC is warning Canadians about a U.S. program where America law enforcement officers — from federal agents to state troopers right down to sheriffs in one-street backwaters — are operating a vast, co-ordinated scheme to grab as much of the public's cash as they can through seizure laws.
17:57 mircea_popescu heh.
17:57 mircea_popescu rogue state is going to rogue state.
17:57 asciilifeform 'It involves a nationwide network of enforcement agencies (except in the few states that have banned it) that operates with the help of a vast private intelligence service called “Black Asphalt”'
17:58 asciilifeform https://blackasphalt.org << they have a site, yes.
17:58 assbot Black Asphalt - Logan County Sheriff's Department:
17:58 chalbersma I wish that that description was overstating it.
17:59 asciilifeform you can apparently buy... shirts and screw-drivers there.
18:00 BingoBoingo http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/goreSSL
18:00 assbot goreSSL
18:00 mircea_popescu "When I go on a road trip I always carry enough cash to buy gas to get to my destination should my credit card stop working.
18:00 mircea_popescu I got pulled over in Nebraska and when I was getting my license out of my wallet the officer saw a $100 bill in there and ended up confiscating the $400 I had on me as suspected drug money without ever arresting me or even charging me with a crime.
18:00 mircea_popescu I got a receipt and an affidavit indicating the amount seized and why. I petitioned the court for the return of my money and the court denied me saying that possession of that much cash constituted probable cause of drug activity and that I should be happy not to be in jail for drugs."
18:00 mircea_popescu 400 dollars. herp.
18:00 mircea_popescu are us folk really that poor ?
18:01 asciilifeform http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/09/police-seizure-black-asphalt-network << apparently, 'asphalt' sells subscription to a db of who is best to plunder and where to find them.
18:01 assbot Cops using controversial database to identify search and seizure targets
18:01 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> are us folk really that poor ? << Cash averse. Love their plastic
18:02 mircea_popescu so they're really that poor.
18:02 BingoBoingo Yeah
18:03 asciilifeform http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/07/police-intelligence-targets-cash << original article apparently
18:03 assbot Police training firms teaching helps fuel rise in cash seizures on U.S. highways | The Washington Post
18:03 mircea_popescu well, being a 3rd world shithole is pretty bad, but not knowing it is arguably worse.
18:05 mircea_popescu %p
18:05 atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net
18:05 atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.09 TH/s
18:06 mircea_popescu %d
18:06 atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 285796.47 in 1239 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.78
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18:32 BingoBoingo http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751
18:32 assbot ESPN.com: Page 2 : Fear & Loathing in America
18:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00076425 = 4.5473 BTC [-]
18:46 mike_c ThickAsThieves: by the way, i did some rounds of correlation analysis. s.mpoe continues to defy explanation. there is certainly no correlation to the exchange rate.
18:47 mircea_popescu rng!
18:48 mircea_popescu mike_c there's always ~some~ correlation. since you did the math anyway, what is it ?
18:48 mircea_popescu .2 ?
18:48 mike_c i don't know about stand alone, but it is when combined with the exchange rate in any fashion.
18:48 mike_c lower
18:48 mike_c below .1
18:48 mircea_popescu lower than .2 ?!
18:48 mircea_popescu o.O
18:48 mircea_popescu that's rich.
18:49 mike_c looking at any reasonable timeframe it is nothing. I tried to force it. took just the last few months, removed some of the recent dip/spikes, and got it up to 0.5
18:49 mike_c but it was stupid
18:49 mircea_popescu congrats, you basically did ta :D
18:49 mike_c tea leaves came up empty
18:50 mike_c the only surprise to me was just how low the correlation was.
18:50 mircea_popescu i hear you.
18:50 mircea_popescu !up hyhycaptain
18:54 hyhycaptain ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&!
18:55 asciilifeform ^ pw!?
18:55 Apocalyptic probably
18:55 mircea_popescu hyhycaptain change it now, chan is logged.
18:55 Apocalyptic you may want to change that asap
18:55 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826852
18:55 assbot Logged on 11-09-2014 22:54:38; hyhycaptain: ns identify 1DmtGhb*^&!
18:55 mircea_popescu also separated pws are shitty. no <numbers><letters><symbols> crap.
18:56 hyhycaptain ns release
18:56 BingoBoingo DMT and GHB... tripping balls?
18:56 jurov http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/?single_page=true
18:56 assbot Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic
18:57 Apocalyptic hyhycaptain, is your "/" key broken ?
18:57 hyhycaptain gee yes, and i can't find anything
18:57 xmj jurov: i've seen it before
18:57 xmj jurov: Goebbels would be SO fucking proud.
18:57 xmj or maybe not; they're slavs.
18:57 jurov that's how asciilifeform's conquest works
18:58 asciilifeform proud >> of 'the atlantic.'
18:58 jurov asciilifeform but it's true
18:58 jurov i see here that horrible disinfo leaking from the east
18:59 jurov such as, EU supposedly enforcing a "juvenile justice"
18:59 asciilifeform jurov: how is that disinfo ?
18:59 mircea_popescu assbot> Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic << gotta love the english agitprop, this entire "the gauls don't really exist so clearly they couldn't be at the gates" thing.
18:59 jurov that will take kids away from heteros and give them to queers
18:59 mircea_popescu "putin doesn;t understand how the world works"
19:00 asciilifeform jurov: nope. in russia, people have successfully resisted, for the most part, the 'civilized' western notion that the crown has business taking children.
19:00 jurov but whole juvenile justice story is fabricated
19:00 asciilifeform the 'queers' angle is sprayed on by western journarasts.
19:00 mircea_popescu jurov it's only nonsense in the form presented. otherwise, the eu does believe it has jurisdiction over children above and beyond that of the family.
19:01 mircea_popescu ^
19:01 asciilifeform as does usa.
19:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform usa is just a colony.
19:01 mircea_popescu of course it'd fly along with whatever the french, the english and so forth figure out.
19:01 hyhycaptain !up
19:02 jurov of course that is how RT works
19:03 jurov takes a grain of EU social care taking children
19:03 mircea_popescu that grain is a grain in my eye.
19:03 jurov mixes it with fear from queers adpting children
19:04 asciilifeform 'prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' - orlov
19:04 jurov and now the nocsense is suddenly presented as fact and i have to convince half of my facebook friends
19:04 jurov that such "juvenile justice" does not exist
19:05 mircea_popescu jurov you'll have a hard time wiht it.
19:05 mircea_popescu but yes it does exist : the eu state will, under a multitude of pretexts, steal children.
19:05 asciilifeform so perhaps enemy does not bayonet babies and eat them under white sauce. he merely strangles them humanely and reprocesses into Garboil.
19:05 asciilifeform go convince.
19:06 jurov i indeed have a hard time with your insistence that everything out there is an overactive imagination of western journos
19:06 jurov while putin never lied and never will
19:06 mircea_popescu you mean his or mine ?
19:06 jurov both
19:06 mircea_popescu putin is lying every chance he gets, what.
19:06 mircea_popescu how did i end up giving ~that~ impression for crying out loud.
19:08 jurov you dismissed is as mere agitprop
19:08 xmj jurov: I'm ruthless about russian supporters
19:08 mircea_popescu but it's not what i said. i merely remarked on a particular mental complex, wherein the western agitprop calls things they don't like and can't derride "inexistent" a certain way
19:10 mircea_popescu lemme model this. suppose we go out for a picnic, and suppose we're there with some girls, and suppose a cow comes and shits in our cornmeal pot. and suppose one of the girls goes "oh my!"
19:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it mostly works for the target audience. to most folks in usa, who are literate in no foreign languages, never travel except on official orders, etc. - if not thrown in their face, fact does not exist.
19:10 mircea_popescu me mocking her for the "oh my" lulz doesn't mean i am in favour of cattle shitting in cookpots.
19:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform which is why this is funny.
19:10 jurov anyhow. you both be glad you're living in countries divided by distance and language (more or less) from this shit
19:11 xmj :|
19:11 jurov slovakia is mentioned there for a reason
19:11 mircea_popescu jurov you will note in my case this is not happenstance.
19:11 xmj I'm glad I'm living in a country who has a couple of german tornados stationed in it
19:11 mircea_popescu xmj they're allies you know.
19:11 asciilifeform living where 'this shit' is grown, packaged, and flown out for export is not particularly thrilling either.
19:11 mircea_popescu katyn or auschwitz, what's the big difference.
19:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude imagine for the sake of science fiction, a putin that didn't lie. like, ever. he'd be spotless like warm milk foam.
19:12 mircea_popescu o.o
19:13 * asciilifeform likes to show americans 'the venerable ancient Ukrs' - is almost never believed, even when rubbing their nose in primary source
19:13 mircea_popescu they'd prolly flay him alive just for the cognitive dissonance
19:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what next, a pope that doesn't lie?
19:13 mircea_popescu popes don't lie, they're just infallible and impeccable.
19:13 mircea_popescu next best thing.
19:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1014 @ 0.00054999 = 0.5577 BTC [-] {2}
19:17 jurov i was just venting my worries that this piece of world might not be safe again... obv mircea's lofty assessment "nah, agitprop" or ascii's urks hair splitting is not interesting to me,sorry
19:17 asciilifeform safe ?
19:17 asciilifeform from what?
19:18 asciilifeform waffen ss? red army ?
19:18 mircea_popescu jurov hey, i don't mind, by all means, go ahead.
19:18 mircea_popescu you're probably right, it's not looking all that good.
19:18 jurov when public space is increasingly and inessantly inundated by conspirations
19:18 jurov that won't end well
19:19 asciilifeform ask the conspirators to quit conspiring. that'd have a chance of fixing.
19:19 mircea_popescu time to split, unless you somehow discover some passion for one side or the other and a desire to go to shooting practice.
19:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's like asking girls aged 16ish to stop giggling. yeah, that's gonna happen
19:19 asciilifeform lol
19:19 mircea_popescu it's not their cunt asking for a tending that's driving the giggling behaviour.
19:19 ThickAsThieves <+mike_c> tea leaves came up empty /// i guess i was probly only paying attention to price at the time, maybe that was the .5 zone, shortly after my comments it totally decoupled
19:19 mircea_popescu it's just, you know... they'r ebored
19:22 asciilifeform as the anglo empires get swept from the stage, the bantustans they created with heroic strokes of pencil will go away. arabian, soviet, wherever.
19:23 thestringpuller ;;ud bantustans
19:23 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bantustan | Literally: The Ghetto, the Worst of Urban Decay, the hardest of the hard hood. A bantustan (also known as black African homeland or simply homeland...
19:23 asciilifeform if you're czech, slovak, pole - and don't relish idea of learning russian - better learn german.
19:23 asciilifeform or chinese.
19:23 mike_c da fuck with that atlantic article. i tried it in 3 browsers and it crashed them all.
19:23 thestringpuller german is not bad
19:23 thestringpuller chinese looks hard
19:24 jurov there's difference between indigenous conspirations like www.universe-people.com and stuff did by state media
19:24 jurov *done
19:24 jurov and i'm done for today
19:24 jurov later!
19:24 mircea_popescu mike_c that's online media v3.0
19:24 asciilifeform one of the more 'high tech' and interesting 'state media' tricks is to spray on a coating of 'conspiratorial Teflon' to an otherwise genuine piece of dirt
19:24 asciilifeform so it doesn't stick to 'right thinking' heads.
19:25 mike_c the atlantic is trying to steal my bitcoin
19:25 asciilifeform !s crank bait
19:25 assbot 3 results for 'crank bait' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=crank+bait
19:25 ThickAsThieves i like that the putin drawing is a scanned bar napkin or sumth
19:26 asciilifeform today is, incidentally, favourite american holiday celebrating this gambit.
19:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's more to this than just that. i've had an intern puit a bunch of trilema articles in reddit, across dozens of different subreddits. NONE stick. they're all "wrong", then the complainants get laughed out, then the matter dies.
19:26 mircea_popescu this teflon phenomenon is a lot deeper.
19:26 * asciilifeform 's favourite subject in this class.
19:26 mircea_popescu there's a long and growing list of things you can do to a text to make it completely inaccessibl for the "right thinking" person.
19:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there are many applicable 'teflons.'
19:27 mircea_popescu i mean, just a certain tone is enough, subtle subjective positioning is enough
19:27 mircea_popescu "this thing is written as if the soviet party isn't legitimate" < o noes and enough.
19:28 mircea_popescu by now right thinkingness has become an extremely intricate, delicately balanced piece of work
19:28 mircea_popescu western confucianism.
19:28 asciilifeform the example jurov (inadvertently) gave us - is instructive. someone succeeded in 'tefloning' the 'juvenile justice' thing before it entered his brain.
19:28 mircea_popescu i'm still reeling over the realisation that someone, somewhere, thinks im pro russian.
19:28 asciilifeform i doubt anyone could persuade him that phenomenon in question is not a barbaric libel by russian queer-haters.
19:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'logic' presumably being, you must 'go with' the humans or the orcs, tertium non datur.
19:32 mircea_popescu sucks for merlin, he who was here when each was born, and will be here to see them buried.
19:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7195 @ 0.00076108 = 5.476 BTC [-] {2}
19:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, for what it's worth, in my mind the correct approach to this problem is radical, corrosive antiteflon.
19:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what document worth the mention could get any traction on 'reddit' (today's, not circa '07, say) ?
19:34 mircea_popescu the more people saying nigger and proposing rape as a solution to minute problems, the less effectual this teflon process is.
19:35 mircea_popescu it only works in the first place because of a very narrow overton window achieved over decades of lazy prosperity.
19:35 mircea_popescu that needs to be broken, for general welfare.
19:35 mircea_popescu giving in and being polite even to the slightest degree just feeds the nonsense.
19:36 mircea_popescu in contemporary english, it is the duty of any thinking person to be as offensive as the context will carry.
19:37 ThickAsThieves to what end?
19:37 mircea_popescu freedom, of course.
19:37 asciilifeform in the peanut gallery - they say whatever. 'new york times' - won't say 'rapigger'.
19:37 mircea_popescu anyway, it's why i carry a lot of sympathy for BingoBoingo's legal troubles.
19:37 mircea_popescu seems to me he instinctively applied the correct solution from perhaps an untenable position
19:38 asciilifeform if correct solution could be applied from correct position - problem would be lying dead in a ditch, right along with a few thousand fellow problems, similarly perforated.
19:38 mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves when you confront an organised enemy, your options are two. either beat him but preserve his tools, which locks you into ruling in his stead, or else beat him and destroy his tools, which locks you into rebuilding.
19:39 mircea_popescu there's little worse fate than having to take over and continue using with the present tools.
19:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: limonov had a beautiful discussion of this.
19:39 ThickAsThieves hmm
19:39 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> if correct solution could be applied from correct position << true.
19:40 ThickAsThieves i'm not sure if i believe your ideal is more than fleetingly achieved
19:40 mircea_popescu nor orgasm.
19:40 ThickAsThieves heh
19:40 ThickAsThieves i think of it like your movie idea and my ending
19:41 BingoBoingo "Why do you think you can think?"
19:43 ThickAsThieves fleeting is a lifetime for some, i guess that's good enough
19:45 asciilifeform 'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace, parliamen
19:45 asciilifeform t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine.
19:46 mircea_popescu the interesting thing here is that no longer is the city hall the seat of power. the irc channel is the seat of power.
19:46 mircea_popescu which means long supressed passion will finally prevail, in a razing of city halls the world has never seen
19:47 mircea_popescu perhaps not since the razing of ur
19:48 mircea_popescu the bloodiest massacre in human history, a million or so killed over a few weeks.
19:48 mircea_popescu a million before the fiat inflation of human population, back when they still had hard people, and a limited supply worldwide
20:00 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/lets-translate-a-little-rinduieli-de-marin-sorescu/
20:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ?
20:07 mircea_popescu that's datina datini, belive it or not.
20:07 asciilifeform понятия.
20:07 mircea_popescu the difference'd be rinduieli can be rationally defended, datini are not.
20:08 mircea_popescu yeah pony is closer
20:08 mircea_popescu actually it's just about exactly it.
20:08 asciilifeform therewego, cooking with gas.
20:08 mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/482efd86111bd9cfe13ee302465639de/tumblr_mz1uqaPhkc1r87wz9o1_1280.jpg << and the spark of life.
20:08 asciilifeform lol!
20:09 asciilifeform is that a 'B' battery ?
20:09 asciilifeform and nice lathework. respekt.
20:10 mircea_popescu obviously a lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that.
20:10 asciilifeform own work ?
20:10 mircea_popescu a no.
20:12 asciilifeform on 2nd look, the blue cylindrical object is a dc motor.
20:12 asciilifeform rotor on bottom, to the right of the lead-screw
20:13 asciilifeform presumably strikes it mid-way through rotation
20:13 asciilifeform or rather, motor only engages when the little rotor touches the screw
20:14 asciilifeform a la old-fashioned school bell.
20:14 asciilifeform to start apparatus, it is presumably given a small clockwise twist while current applied.
20:14 asciilifeform wing nut on lead screw - obviously - sets depth.
20:15 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/db9cc5b867a112993e0f818b7359b3d1/tumblr_mw1zrmojRM1s9tujho1_500.png
20:16 asciilifeform oubliette!
20:16 * asciilifeform is quite confident in the reverse-engineered scheme above.
20:17 asciilifeform except - object on upper side of motor is a commutator.
20:17 asciilifeform so, no twist start needed.
20:17 asciilifeform goes merrily buzzing on power-up.
20:17 mircea_popescu a well designed little apparatus.
20:17 asciilifeform the fellow who built it may or may not have been a tattooist in russian prison.
20:17 asciilifeform typical scheme of apparatus used there.
20:17 mircea_popescu just about.
20:18 mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/f26ac8f8aaa82ec58ed70e3976dfe457/tumblr_mvqutdrHlR1sq388oo1_400.gif << and here's stoya, doing what she does (ie, setting the mark for performance)
20:18 * asciilifeform wonders - anyone else awake? and had alternate interpretation of gadget pictured earlier?
20:19 mircea_popescu if previously awake - now busy.
20:19 asciilifeform lol
20:19 mircea_popescu speaking of which... brb
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00075973 = 19.9049 BTC [-]
20:29 thestringpuller asciilifeform: do you think there is a way to have an externally chargeable battery as "save" battery on video game cartridges
20:29 asciilifeform thestringpuller: as described earlier
20:30 asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821825
20:30 assbot Logged on 07-09-2014 18:52:57; asciilifeform: it doesn't have to be a coin cell, either. can attach one of, say, these - http://www.ictradenet.com/models_pic/BH2AA-W.jpg - to outside of cartridge. drill a hole, attach terminals to correct spots. won't win any beauty contests, but will work.
20:30 thestringpuller so external ports long with the leads? I'm not well versed in electrical engineering unfortunately.
20:30 asciilifeform snip off original battery holder, note where '+' and '-' were.
20:31 thestringpuller as long as same voltage etc.?
20:31 asciilifeform solder red lead from battery box to '+', black to '-'. first thread wires through hole in chassic (electric drill)
20:31 asciilifeform origial was 'cr2032' ?
20:31 asciilifeform *original
20:32 thestringpuller yes. most probably unless this specific cartridge was an outlier.
20:32 asciilifeform use two lithium (specifically) aa batteries in a common series holder (as pictured.)
20:32 thestringpuller i'm terrified of modifying because this is a cartridge that appreciates in value due to rarity or something
20:33 asciilifeform if kept as collectible - seal it in a bag under nitrogen, why would you play it.
20:34 thestringpuller LOL
20:34 thestringpuller you speak truth
20:34 thestringpuller i should just buy a Wii-U and get the downloadable version to play for 15 bucks
20:34 thestringpuller seal the original cart in a bag
20:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00075917 = 22.3196 BTC [-] {3}
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20:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'muiere' ~= engl. 'give head' ?
20:56 penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/localbitcoins-making-bitcoin-easier/
20:59 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17417502 = 0.6967 BTC [-] {4}
21:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.17154857 = 0.8577 BTC [-] {4}
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21:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it just means woman. most speakers wouldn't notice the relation and im probably going to get inundated with hatemail in the morn
21:15 asciilifeform lulz
21:15 mircea_popescu it's an older term, mostly disused, ever so slightly derrogatory.
21:15 mircea_popescu it's vulgar latin, from mulieris.
21:17 mircea_popescu suppoisedly sucking cock (a da [la] muie, contracted to muie) comes from gypsy language, where muie means mouth.
21:17 mircea_popescu but this distinction is you know, what you make of it.
21:18 mircea_popescu the notion that romanian borrowed anything whatsoever from romales is beyond ridiculous anyway. maybe took back whatever the gypos stole at some point, and that at the very most.
21:22 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490&cpage=1#comment-16768 << great masters of not-getting-the-point, at work
21:22 assbot Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
21:33 kakobrekla !s SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS
21:33 assbot 1 results for 'SHOUTOUT TO #BITCOIN-ASSETS' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=SHOUTOUT+TO+%23BITCOIN-ASSETS
21:34 kakobrekla now 3.
21:37 punkman I was playing a bit at moneypot.com (dice thingy), then I saw this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg8776834#msg8776834
21:37 assbot MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game
21:37 punkman is this a scam? "Look there's a fucking system!"
21:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1083 @ 0.00141329 = 1.5306 BTC [-] {4}
21:50 cazalla damn, moneypot hooks you instantly
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22:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.17999999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
22:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform using addresses to encode satisfies your criteria, it doesn't have to be amounts
22:31 mircea_popescu which is why the b-a deeds system will use addresses rather than amounts.
22:31 asciilifeform need certain amounts to avoid getting dust-collected.
22:31 mircea_popescu hm?
22:32 asciilifeform can't send nil
22:32 mircea_popescu sure, gotta send some btc.
22:32 asciilifeform or less than $dust lower bound
22:32 asciilifeform plus programmatic generation of addrs with reasonably-secure private keys is gnarly.
22:33 asciilifeform (you want the privates if you want the recycling-loop.)
22:33 asciilifeform *usefully encoded addrs with reasonably secure privates
22:35 mircea_popescu sure, its not free.
22:35 asciilifeform my understanding is that for your application, the payload is very small, and 'shooting coin into the sun' in an open loop system - suffices.
22:35 asciilifeform (garbage dest. address)
22:36 mircea_popescu it's not clear that wasting the tx fees for a very narrow space (ie, the amt) is actually cheaper than wasting the min tx for wider space (the address
22:37 mircea_popescu but anyway, a discussion for other times!
22:37 asciilifeform when blasting into garbage addr, still have to include fee
22:37 asciilifeform so necessarily - costlier.
22:37 asciilifeform but yes, wider space...
22:37 * asciilifeform doesn't give enough of a damn to crunch the numbers
22:38 mircea_popescu makes 2 of us :)
22:41 asciilifeform one caveat with using addresses - 'decoder' must not rely on the garbage addr's balance never moving on own volition. one might, at any time, end up producing an addr to which someone has a key.
22:41 mircea_popescu kinda the idea, yea.
22:42 mircea_popescu anyway, tomorrow!
22:56 TheNewDeal ;;nethash
22:56 gribble 217919029.299
22:59 TheNewDeal ;;bc,stats
22:59 gribble Current Blocks: 320252 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 291 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 16 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29479555603.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.47731
23:05 ben_vulpes evening gang
23:05 ben_vulpes just woke up from the post bang nap
23:06 ben_vulpes awwww missed le popescu@
23:07 TheNewDeal how was the bang nap?
23:07 ben_vulpes restorative
23:07 TheNewDeal and the post bang nap?
23:07 ben_vulpes ho ho ho
23:07 TheNewDeal :D
23:08 TheNewDeal !up decimation
23:08 ben_vulpes clever boy u
23:08 decimation heh thanks
23:08 TheNewDeal everybody gets one
23:10 ben_vulpes man
23:10 ben_vulpes condoms
23:10 ben_vulpes wtf
23:11 ben_vulpes now i reek of latex
23:12 ben_vulpes <xmj> ...and django, and uwsgi, and $crap << hey have you ever done anything with uwsgi or gunicorn as a dev server?
23:12 decimation asciilifeform: I ordered a tcxo version of that gps timing module from some junk dealer in shenzhen http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEO-7N-Flight-Controller-GPS-Module-with-3-Axis-Compass-Pixhawk-APM-2-6-e-/281404421897?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item418502b709
23:12 assbot Neo 7N Flight Controller GPS Module with 3 Axis Compass Pixhawk apm 2 6 E | eBay
23:13 ben_vulpes i want to close the gap between traditional django dev with the mangy pie runderper
23:13 ben_vulpes and production with nginx/apache | gunicorn/uwsgi | piecrap
23:14 decimation ben_vulpes: is apache dead to the cool web 2.0 kids these days?
23:14 ben_vulpes uh apche's fine
23:14 ben_vulpes ape cheese
23:14 decimation seems to me that the list of alternatives is growing
23:14 ben_vulpes what else is one to do when the application layer server authors say retarded shit like
23:15 ben_vulpes "THIS IS NOT A WEB SERVER PLEAZE FOAR TO HIDE BEHIND APACHE OAR NGINX PROXY PASS"
23:15 ben_vulpes dude
23:15 ben_vulpes http ain't so hard
23:16 ben_vulpes you want complicated stupid broken and fucked up beyond all reason? come hang with the asseteers
23:16 ben_vulpes the go situation doesn't even have a production ready wallet
23:16 decimation why is it "popular" then?
23:17 ben_vulpes apache or nginx?
23:17 decimation well, 'go'
23:17 ben_vulpes oh
23:17 ben_vulpes static types, adequately lispy
23:17 ben_vulpes not "which" python
23:17 ben_vulpes ("which")
23:20 mike_c http is kinda hard. you're exposing yourself to untrusted input from the wild
23:21 decimation not if you serve static pages
23:21 mike_c sure you are
23:21 mike_c still gotta process the http request.
23:21 decimation true, but the universe of possible responses is greatly restricted
23:22 ben_vulpes http://www.complang.org/ragel
23:22 assbot Ragel State Machine Compiler
23:22 mike_c more like shit that can go wrong while making sense of the request itself. grep nginx changelogs for the last four years for plentiful examples
23:22 ben_vulpes first, you must state machine.
23:22 decimation neat ben_vulpes
23:22 ben_vulpes ragel is bees knees
23:23 decimation in general protocols are the devil
23:23 mike_c i like hiding behind nginx. igor is smart.
23:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13885 @ 0.00075866 = 10.534 BTC [-]
23:23 decimation even TCP is devilish
23:23 ben_vulpes those russians
23:23 ben_vulpes i heard a rumor that nginx has 0% test coverage
23:23 ben_vulpes and builds are shipped around as tarballs
23:24 decimation I like the idea of sending a single udp packet as a request and receiving a stream of udp packets in reply
23:24 mike_c i printed out the source code 3 years ago and i retype it into each server i want to run nginx on to ensure no problems.
23:25 ben_vulpes when i was 14 i talked my cs teacher into letting me use the first chapter of text from cryptonomicon as my wpm benchmark
23:25 ben_vulpes 'cs'
23:25 decimation lol
23:28 ben_vulpes i think ithat i broke 140
23:28 ben_vulpes which, as others have said, "i don't care about how many characters per minute my programmers can type, but whether they type the *right* characters"
23:28 asciilifeform gps box << curious, why ?
23:29 decimation asciilifeform: for poor man's lab reference, for some rf experiments
23:29 asciilifeform decimation: lab reference of what?
23:30 asciilifeform decimation: you don't get any magical enhancement of short-term clock stability that way.
23:30 decimation the device can be commanded to output pulses at arbitrary frequencies
23:30 asciilifeform sure.
23:31 decimation which is why I got the tcxo option. the real solution would be to use it to long-term discipline an oxco
23:32 decimation it would be nice to have a 1pps output for time-tagging too
23:32 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. << sauce?
23:34 decimation as for the short-term stability, I want to measure the phase noise with a proper lab instrument
23:35 asciilifeform decimation: get an Rb oscillator on 'ebay' or the like.
23:38 asciilifeform !up decimation
23:38 decimation asciilifeform: yeah that would be an even better solution. One could use my gps module to correct the long-term frequency variation of Rb oscillator
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23:56 BingoBoingo http://deadspin.com/giancarlo-stanton-removed-on-stretcher-after-fastball-t-1633816961
23:56 assbot Giancarlo Stanton Removed On Stretcher After Fastball To The Face
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