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00:03 signpost asciilifeform: apologies in advance for the source, but this may entertain https://twitter.com/peterliakhov/status/1499341576518217730
00:05 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082055 << this has been my point in this thread, that "white" is just a political definition of caste system strata that drifts as needs shift.
00:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 11:10:07 PeterL: lumping people together as "white" is hard to define and not very helpful
00:05 signpost need cheap italians in your factories? not white. later, suddenly white!
00:06 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082070 << ayep
00:06 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 11:34:04 mats: whiteness in usa changes depending on which year you live in
00:07 signpost and its role in the economic caste system is perhaps no more obvious than among asians.
00:07 verisimilitude Yes, tell me when negroes suddenly become white, except in Argentina apparently, signpost.
00:07 signpost some... inflect "black", others... "white"
00:07 signpost verisimilitude: you have little life experience beyond your keyboard. there's no reason I should put effort into teaching you anything.
00:07 verisimilitude That's not true, but whatever.
00:08 signpost ftr your output doesn't bother me because it's "racist", but because it's pleading for elitism it does not merit.
00:08 verisimilitude Prejudice is the child of experience, signpost.
00:08 signpost don't quote pithily at me
00:09 signpost you speak like a 14 year old describing sex he has never had.
00:10 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082082 << I see it otherwise, that it eventually decays into the ethnic homogeneity becoming an excuse for *not actually bothering to be great*
00:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 11:46:07 billymg: what's nice about an ethnostate is the shared values, not the shared skin tone. countries where btc is the legal tender will attract people with shared values, hopefully creating new ideostates
00:11 signpost see the "grass eater" phenomenon in japan, for example.
00:13 signpost or verisimilitude here, who I'd put decent odds on actually being half polack, or similar.
00:13 signpost most entertaining case of this was that weev guy, who iirc was a jew!
00:20 signpost to credit the point behind billymg's use of "ethnostate", *ideological* homogeneity is certainly a necessary component of a functioning society.
00:21 signpost hopefully tools of decentralization make it easier to find and aggregate ideological compatibles in the future.
00:22 signpost curious if folks are familiar with the Tulsa race massacre of 1921.
00:24 signpost in summary, a dubious claim of a white woman being dishonored under circumstances that she might've invited resulted in the murder, arson, and general destruction of a thriving black town known as the "black wall st"
00:25 signpost I would take the inhabitants of this town over any walmart-fed degenerate white "person", and it's telling that this town couldn't be allowed to exist.
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00:26 signpost at any rate, since blacks have historically existed at the bottom of the american caste system, as jews/slavs/etc in the european one, they are oppressed by the middle-caste as has always been its duty.
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00:27 signpost verisimilitude is signaling his status as a middle-caste slave with his nazi racial theory fantasies, lest he be lowered further.
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00:27 signpost and don't worry sweetheart, you will be lowered further. we all will.
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00:50 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082375 << agree completely. i want an ideostate not an ethnostate
00:50 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-04 00:25:18 signpost: I would take the inhabitants of this town over any walmart-fed degenerate white "person", and it's telling that this town couldn't be allowed to exist.
00:50 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-03 16:48:58 billymg: anyway, not speaking of feasibility, but more of desireability. i want an ideostate with e.g. the folks in here and similar. don't care about skin color or weekend hobbies
01:03 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082376 << in more recent times i think it's the middle-caste chair warmers in coastal cities who are allowed to oppress and feel superior to the "redneck truckers" in "flyover" country
01:03 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-04 00:26:38 signpost: at any rate, since blacks have historically existed at the bottom of the american caste system, as jews/slavs/etc in the european one, they are oppressed by the middle-caste as has always been its duty.
01:09 * billymg bbl
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02:09 signpost billymg: yeah, and then the trucker caste says "hey man, at least I ain't no neeger" and this is supposed to mean something.
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02:09 signpost said the furniture to the carpet, you know?
02:11 signpost FBI's war against black power movements in the 70s intensified dramatically when latter started telling poor of other groups, "listen, you might not be so aryan yourself"
02:11 signpost likewise the banker class loves it when idiots like verisimilitude start talking about "international jewry"
02:17 signpost I would like to understand how J P Morgan, Charles Merrill, Edumnd Lynch, Amadeo Giannini, Hugh McColl, etc etc made it into those ranks.
02:22 signpost this is not meant to be an exhaustive list; I got bored pulling up founders of megabanks.
02:22 signpost whatever peasant religions keep these standing, all the better.
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03:32 vex http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-28#1081448 SWIM told me they take off a bit of manganese etc when the need arises
03:32 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-28 15:31:41 signpost: they pop by to refuel on water, and depart a seemingly uninhabited planet.
03:40 vex In reality, I say, it's good to see a messgae from BingoBoingo. I was begiining to wonder if you got beamed up.
03:47 mats definitely avoiding deep water for the rest of my life
03:49 signpost vex: plenty of useful substances to slurp up, I imagine.
03:49 vex gotta hide em deep in the crust
03:49 signpost mats: my barber was giving me chuckles yesterday with her insistence that THEY are from the deep ocean.
03:52 mats wonder who ded next
03:53 signpost we talking people or countries?
03:53 mats b-a alum
03:53 vex next? who died?
03:53 vex ah
03:53 * vex looks around nervously
03:54 signpost mats: link?
03:54 signpost oh, you're discussing mp
03:54 signpost thought another had croaked.
03:54 vex Proper Vodka is dissappearing from shelves here. I might be okay
03:55 signpost in which vex dries out due to ww3
03:56 vex Thanks mate, now I'm worried
03:59 vex without linking the log. mats, you called Cantonese obscure?
04:08 vex It's diffucult to know when people are being funny
04:08 mats there's really not many cantonese pods
04:08 mats believe me, i've listened to them all
04:09 mats whereas i'd die before i finished the mando content
04:09 vex ah
04:13 vex perhaps the guy from sacramento could chuck a mic up somewhere, no doubt they're shooting the breeze nonstop
04:26 vex all my childhood toys had written made in taiwan. I wonder now whether they ever bothered to change the english
04:27 vex or rather when
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04:57 vex dpb, you're safe from mat's hex right?
05:03 vex hex averted
05:04 vex thank me later. someone does necissarily go first tho
05:07 vex it can't be shinohai. his poormans clock winder was too lovely
05:08 vex deffo not dpb. his spam wall shows genius
05:13 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUYI7kIR0S4
05:14 mats https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/china-in-the-caribbean/id1537137302?i=1000552858206
05:19 vex i'll definately listen to that with a grain of salt
05:20 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zfSWVqEU0
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05:41 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJOIjjW69U
05:49 verisimilitude I think I'll get along better with you if I try to only discuss programming here, at least most of the time.
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11:46 crtdaydreams I got some cheap luls for yas; there's a website on AU parliament where peeps can submit e-petitions...
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16:09 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082235 <<< still far superior to pinkhairware, ammirite?
16:09 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 16:21:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-03#1082224 << not tried, given as is 100% bluehairware
16:09 shinohai $vwap
16:09 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 41446.41 USD
16:21 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082385 << not disagreeing with this at all. infighting within the lower and middle castes is not only not productive, it actively helps the enemy by diverting energy away from the real solution
16:21 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-04 02:09:21 signpost: billymg: yeah, and then the trucker caste says "hey man, at least I ain't no neeger" and this is supposed to mean something.
16:21 bitbot Logged on 2020-12-16 15:05:09 asciilifeform: other school -- machines exist so that you can perhaps work 10y of 2h days, and if rockefeller objects, you can kill him with yet-another machine.
16:23 billymg it does irk me however that if one says e.g. "I hate X" or "I think X has too much privilege" on youtube/twitter/whatever -- some values of X will get you fired, and others will get you promoted
16:25 billymg this is probably what the ruling class wants though, and they simply rotate these values every couple of decades to keep the plebs at each other's throats
16:31 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082430 << i don't think it's anyone's goal here to "get along". this place would be beyond boring if we treated it as though it were a silicon valley corp's slack channel
16:31 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-04 05:49:02 verisimilitude: I think I'll get along better with you if I try to only discuss programming here, at least most of the time.
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16:54 verisimilitude It's still largely pointless for me to argue about it, I find.
16:55 verisimilitude I'd rather discuss programming constantly, anyway.
17:08 billymg this seems like a cop-out. you're essentially saying "you just wouldn't get it", which is a little insulting, don't you think?
17:19 * shinohai currently setting up pest station in new home, should be online in a bit ....
17:29 thimbronion shinohai: nice!
17:39 verisimilitude No, what's insulting is how signpost has treated me as a conversation partner, billymg.
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17:42 thimbronion verisimilitude: signpost has probably treated you better than anyone else in your short life
17:42 billymg verisimilitude: you can be frustrating to converse with. i used to think it was bad faith trolling, but now i think it's more likely you're just genuinely unaware when you're irritating someone
17:47 billymg it personally irritates me when you refuse to answer questions, or answer in an intentionally coy or vague manner, for example. and when signpost said you have no experience beyond your keyboard, that was an opportunity to prove him wrong. but you just said "nuh uh"
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17:47 billymg most people in here, i have some idea of who they are in real life. i don't know their addresses, or the name on their drivers license, but i have a rough picture in my head of what they do, where they live, etc.
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17:48 billymg for you i have none of this
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17:49 billymg who knows, maybe NSA is actively hunting verisimilitude, but i suspect not
17:49 * shinohai hopes billymg pictures him like http://btc.info.gf/uploads/SP.jpg
17:50 billymg LOL
17:50 billymg approximately, yes, shinohai
17:51 shinohai Thank you, I am now quite pleased ....
17:53 * asciilifeform will comment re verisimilitude's lul . what asciilifeform objects to aint 'heiling hitler' -- would welcome an intelligent e.g. resurrected otto skorzeny to #a. objects, however , to 1 ) coyness 2) handshake wink-nudge signalling noise.
17:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-02 15:40:41 verisimilitude: They've interesting names, right?
17:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-02 15:44:22 verisimilitude: I never wrote that.
17:54 billymg yes, it's the coyness that bothers me
17:54 asciilifeform e.g. start w/ a straight and readable mein kampf and sumthing like logical argument; rather than humming coupla bars of '...und wenn’s Judenblut vom Messer spritzt, dann gehts nochmal so gut' and 'wink, wink, get it? right?' 'oh but i never said'
17:59 billymg my first thought was "he's a glowie" when these three lines transpired
17:59 bitbot Logged on 2021-01-28 14:33:42 verisimilitude: I can think of other groups who enjoy kvetching about persecution, billymg.
17:59 bitbot Logged on 2021-01-28 14:42:10 billymg: verisimilitude: i won't disagree with you there, and in fact i thought of them when reading alf's statement. though having lived in nyc for as long as i did and with some of my best friends being jewish i'd like to point out that not every jew == 'da jooz'
17:59 bitbot Logged on 2021-01-28 14:44:51 verisimilitude: I didn't mention Jews, but this conversation makes me think of a saying I'd thought of and have been saving since.
17:59 billymg i.e. "let's see if i can bait some folks into committing some hate speech"
18:01 * asciilifeform did not make this interpretation (i.e. verisimilitude as provocateur) but points out that in that case shoe fits, and readers could easily conclude same.
18:02 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082451 I didn't fall for that bait, no.
18:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 12:46:55 billymg: it personally irritates me when you refuse to answer questions, or answer in an intentionally coy or vague manner, for example. and when signpost said you have no experience beyond your keyboard, that was an opportunity to prove him wrong. but you just said "nuh uh"
18:03 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082453 This is purposeful.
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18:03 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 12:47:40 billymg: for you i have none of this
18:04 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-02#1081898 This line was mockery.
18:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-02 15:44:22 verisimilitude: I never wrote that.
18:05 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082472 << but *why* though?
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18:05 bitbot Logged on 2022-03-04 18:03:14 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082453 This is purposeful.
18:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 12:47:40 billymg: for you i have none of this
18:05 billymg wtf
18:05 billymg there's not supposed to be a double echo
18:05 billymg !. version
18:05 bitbot I am bot version 719639.
18:05 verisimilitude I was only ``being coy'' because I suppose I wasn't so dedicated to the discussion. I'll cease being coy entirely from now on.
18:06 billymg oh, right, asciilifeform, yours is still on the old version, with bot echos
18:06 asciilifeform ah hm billymg yes
18:06 verisimilitude I'm not a federal agent of any government, but a federal agent would claim so.
18:07 shinohai Sound like something a NSA agent would say.
18:07 verisimilitude Yes.
18:07 billymg verisimilitude: i'm long past thinking you're that interesting
18:07 verisimilitude That's good.
18:07 asciilifeform verisimilitude: fwiw asciilifeform is satisfied that yer neither a moron nor a provocateur. but recs to consider adage 'you are what you eat', rec to eat less lolcatboard
18:07 verisimilitude I don't, asciilifeform.
18:09 verisimilitude I suppose another reason to be coy is to thwart automated analysis, billymg. I did something similar in this article.
18:09 verisimilitude It's a tad paranoid to do this, however.
18:09 asciilifeform verisimilitude: problem is yer thwarting regular old 'analysis' in the heads of the folx yer actually intending to converse with
18:09 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082476 I want privacy, even if for no reason.
18:09 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 13:04:39 billymg: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082472 << but *why* though?
18:10 asciilifeform i.e. asking people to throw brain cycles to decode what yer trying to say.
18:10 verisimilitude That's true, and I didn't consider that, asciilifeform.
18:10 verisimilitude I was inconsiderate.
18:10 asciilifeform sometimes they will. if think worthwhile. sometimes won't
18:11 verisimilitude I just realized I didn't write on 2022-03-03. Now I'm upset.
18:16 verisimilitude My streak of thirty-two months is ended.
18:16 verisimilitude Oh well.
18:20 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-04#1082452 << fwiw the only tuned-in folx whom asciilifeform has even met in meatspace were BingoBoingo and mod6 . doesn't regard this as a dire problem, tho hopes to meet others '1 day, after the war'
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18:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 12:47:34 billymg: most people in here, i have some idea of who they are in real life. i don't know their addresses, or the name on their drivers license, but i have a rough picture in my head of what they do, where they live, etc.
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19:14 thimbronion hey phf - get on pestnet
19:16 asciilifeform thimbronion: i dunthink he's tuned in
19:17 asciilifeform ( most recent sighting )
19:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 11:17:03 asciilifeform: iirc he was lurking for a while last yr, and in fact tipped asciilifeform off re mp. updated the patches once iirc. but no word since.
19:17 thimbronion would be interesting to have someone on the otherside of the new great firewall
19:18 asciilifeform thimbronion: weaksauce firewall, afaik all ru did was ban the 2-3 loudest reich organs
19:19 asciilifeform ... at least in recent times.
19:19 thimbronion I'm sure it will improve with time
19:19 asciilifeform phunphakt, ru has public index prohibitorum on www.
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19:21 thimbronion Will be interesting to see how long Telegram lasts
19:22 asciilifeform supposed unofficial mirror, browsable
19:24 verisimilitude Perhaps Telegram will serve a similar purpose to how Apple totally kept the FBI out of an iPhone, thimbronion.
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19:24 asciilifeform verisimilitude: what do you think was its orig purpose, lol
19:25 verisimilitude Of course that was always its purpose.
19:25 asciilifeform (or of other 'anony'-flavoured honeypottage)
19:26 verisimilitude Has Telegram had such a show before, however?
19:27 thimbronion mebe - not nearly as effective as an alt-twitter honeybot would be however
19:27 asciilifeform iirc reich baked an 'alt-twatter' for cuba
19:27 verisimilitude Yes, asciilifeform.
19:27 verisimilitude It lost funding after Twitter took off, however.
19:33 thimbronion funnily Russia banning twitter just cut me off from the "pro-russia" account I'd been following
19:34 asciilifeform maybe finally good ol' shortwave makes a comeback
19:35 verisimilitude I find it amusing seeing how people distinguish this from what the US does.
19:35 verisimilitude Russia is invading a democracy; the US invades other types of governments, so it's totally different.
19:44 thimbronion oh nvm, they can just use a vpn to get around it. lulzy.
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20:30 asciilifeform related lulz
20:30 asciilifeform (recs... tor!!)
20:33 thimbronion pest: your peers know who you are, tor: you know all your peers are feds
20:40 verisimilitude After using Tor for years, my stance softened. Eventually, I'd to accept I was becoming neurotic, and my traffic wasn't so interesting in any case.
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20:40 verisimilitude I still use Tor, but don't bemoan situations in which I can't.
20:41 verisimilitude Tor still provides protection against one's peers, similarly to how TLS works in, say, open Wi-Fi networks.
20:41 asciilifeform worth noting, there's ftr 4 basic levels of 'great firewall' :
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20:42 asciilifeform (1) blacklist ( ru, uk, most of eureich, australia )
20:42 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 14:19:15 asciilifeform: phunphakt, ru has public index prohibitorum on www.
20:42 asciilifeform (2) ip/content/protocol-based blacklist (cn)
20:43 asciilifeform (3) country-wide lan in place of actual internet (north kr; ru during 'practice drills for ww3')
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20:44 asciilifeform (4) internet of the future(tm)(r)(c), i.e. whitelist and 'license to www' a la aol
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20:46 asciilifeform ... reich by all indications would like to jump straight to (4), but hampered by itch to reliably pump its bullshit to -- and engage parrot armies in -- entire planet
20:46 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 00:14:51 asciilifeform: to date the only brakes on that train was reich's thrust to push its volkischer beobachters on ru et al
20:52 asciilifeform ... (1) / (2) aint particularly interesting unless yer invested in 'masses' propaganda. i.e. from wotronic pov largely harmless. this encourages complacence, however:
20:53 asciilifeform ... given as at (3) yer stuck with sneakernet an' pirate radio; while at (4) similarly, but you'll be doing it on hand-soldered machinery hidden in tree hollows.
20:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-03 00:09:15 asciilifeform: at some pt ( asciilifeform & others warning folx for ~20y , it aint news ) will be 3 'internets' -- reich's, free world, and ad hoc sneakernet / pirate shortwave snail bridge b/w the 2.
20:55 asciilifeform the approach historically advocated by asciilifeform is to 'avoid having to invent parachute on yer way down' and have pills for (3) and even (4) ready and dispersed.
20:56 asciilifeform ( see also e.g. )
20:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-01 16:35:56 asciilifeform: signpost: imho even to ~demonstrate~ uninterdictable uwb across planet, would cool the ardour of the 'internet of the future' types, at minimal expense.
21:00 asciilifeform the reason wai erry 'famous' 'anti-censorship system' you'll ever hear about from reich parrots is firmly centralized (a la tor) aint hard to discern.
21:00 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-09-11 asciilifeform: 'Take a look in History, flip through her pages. The first action in revolutions of recent history -- the erection of barricades. They'll smash the cobble stones of the street, dig them out, and block off the road with them. They'll stop cars, buses, fill the street with bricks. And also they'll attack, plunder, raze, and put to the torch the city hall, administrative buildings, presidential palace, parliamen
21:00 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-09-11 asciilifeform: t, shops, warehouses. The crowd has - a correct instinct. It would like to destroy the city - the citadel of power of the political and economic kind - the root cause of its travails. The crowd is stopped in its tracks by those who have plans for the city hall, for the presidential palace. We will not stop the crowd.' (Limonov, 'The Other Russia.') - translation mine.
21:06 asciilifeform hence the various 'telegrams' & whatever moxyware.
21:06 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-04 14:24:14 verisimilitude: Perhaps Telegram will serve a similar purpose to how Apple totally kept the FBI out of an iPhone, thimbronion.
21:06 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-14 13:51:51 asciilifeform: rather like the astroturfed 'controversy' re 'end-to-end crypto' (where 100% of the softs in question are in fact faux-p2p moxyware)
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21:54 verisimilitude This is still the most amusing ``DOS'' story I've ever read.
21:54 verisimilitude ``By 7:50 AM, traffic hit the limit of the technology, around 100 page views per minute, and the user experience quickly degraded. Median page load times grew to more than 30 seconds. Unable to fulfill the requests, the site went down at around 8:10 and remained offline for about 40 minutes.''
21:57 verisimilitude Well, ``DoS''.
22:01 verisimilitude What did he learn? It was ``There Is No Silver Bullet''.
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23:36 asciilifeform verisimilitude: where's the quoted text in given linked pg ?
23:39 verisimilitude How unfortunate; I pulled from the wrong selection.
23:39 asciilifeform a
23:39 verisimilitude It was this.
23:39 asciilifeform verisimilitude: ty
23:40 verisimilitude Fortunately, it pulled from that, and not other websites I've been browsing.
23:40 asciilifeform 'traffic hit the limit of the technology, around 100 page views per minute, and the user experience quickly degraded' << lol
23:40 asciilifeform ah heh already in verisimilitude's quote
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