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00:01 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> motorized dumpster! << so recently i was told a story about how this guy in ohio borrowed this car that was a dumpster on wheels -- i'll spare you all the details, but the long of the short of it is; this guy's life was saved when he was t-boned by a dumptruck on the freeway because of all the garbage in the car.
00:01 mircea_popescu orly.
00:02 mod6 apparently, all the trash apparently saved him from getting somehow crushed or whatnot.
00:02 mircea_popescu has all the markings of urban legend dunnit
00:02 asciilifeform this sounds quite like the 'kpss party membership booklet stopped bullet' nonsenses
00:02 mod6 it does.
00:02 asciilifeform or bibles prior
00:03 mod6 eitherway, i had a good laugh out of this tale, as i can picture this as indeed, many people fill their cars with trash.
00:03 asciilifeform i never grasped the reason for this
00:03 mod6 in 1994 i worked at this gas station, and this dude who used to come in and get gas had his ENTIRE car filled with empty cig packs.
00:03 asciilifeform but, gave colleagues ride,
00:04 asciilifeform and they marveled,
00:04 asciilifeform 'how empty!'
00:04 mod6 lol. it's as if you should need to swim through garbage to get to your seat/belt.
00:05 mod6 another friend of mine had so many mc'ds sacks in the back, when he threw out a cig it came back in the window and started a fire in the back seat. on the freeway of course.
00:05 mircea_popescu sounds like my ancient "cars --- through the sewage pipes" dream is being realised. from the inside,
00:06 mod6 he said, "when i looked in the rearview mirror, i saw flames, and my brain tried to tell me that i was imagining the flames."
00:06 mod6 so he actually ignored this for a number of moments until the smoke was filling the car.
00:06 mircea_popescu needs a better brain.
00:06 mod6 when it was all said and done, he had burned away probably 25% of his back seat.
00:07 mod6 yeah. wild stuff.
00:07 asciilifeform lol right where petrol tank
00:07 mod6 yup.
00:07 mircea_popescu speaking of freeways, mp on freeway today, gets pulled over.
00:08 mircea_popescu guy goes through dirver girl's papers, then asks for car papers. i'm liek, you don't need car papers in cr dood, sez my lawyer
00:08 mircea_popescu policeman's like "well yeah, but your technical revision thingee's not on the windshield"
00:09 asciilifeform lol just like ye olde state of virginia
00:09 mircea_popescu so i explain to him that looky, i just bought it, i had it redone, new brakes, shocks, everything in there. two weeks ago.
00:09 mircea_popescu and he's like "very good that you fixed your car, but you hafta actually get it inspected. there's a special inspection orrifice"
00:10 mircea_popescu whole thing that threw me is that the shop gives you a sticker, but you need A DIFFERENT one.
00:10 BingoBoingo Sounds like a shit test
00:10 mircea_popescu nah, story checked out.
00:11 mod6 was it the front windshield?
00:11 mircea_popescu yea
00:11 mircea_popescu they have some laser reader thing i think
00:11 mod6 that's kinda interesting, up here you get ticked for anything obstructing your view in the winshield. people still hang all sorts of shit off the rearview anyway, such as, inexplicable dice. or whatever.
00:11 mircea_popescu (and i dun blame them for pushing the issue -- i have seen more cars dead on roadside here, incl IN TOWN than i had previously in my entire life.)
00:12 mircea_popescu mod6 ah, i didn't get fined. or otherwise bothered.
00:12 mircea_popescu the guy was just liek... "well, the fine's $120 ; carry on but get it done will ye"
00:12 mod6 ah, well at least you didn't get taxed extra.
00:12 mircea_popescu the fortunes of not living in police state.
00:13 mod6 open-air prison indeed.
00:13 mircea_popescu they weren't there on the way back, either. because a truck had crashed into a mini
00:14 mod6 nice.
00:14 hanbot mircea_popescu also helps that you're able to talk to cops. most people do some combo of flipping out n' whining
00:14 mircea_popescu i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho!
00:14 mod6 yeah, here people like freak, get out of the car, get tazed/shot, etc.
00:14 hanbot ahahaha
00:15 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i never grasped the reason for this << Sloth
00:15 mod6 haha.
00:15 mircea_popescu and my pants were undone\
00:15 hanbot "what seems to be the officer, problem?"
00:15 mircea_popescu (not making this shit up)
00:16 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho! << Bless federalism. That's some sort of attempted murder in Illinois, but "Cool, have fun kids" in Missouri
00:17 mircea_popescu mason-shithead line, eh ?
00:17 mircea_popescu (and no, the driver didn't get any. i drink responsibly.)
00:18 BingoBoingo Not just a line, A whole river.
00:18 * asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu's jerry can of rum
00:18 mircea_popescu ahahaha
00:18 mod6 never leave home without two
00:18 mircea_popescu it's not far off, this stuff's closer to beer. 34% or some shit
00:19 asciilifeform grog
00:19 mircea_popescu it is SUPERB tho.
00:19 mircea_popescu first country i didn't miss tzuica.
00:19 * asciilifeform much liked mircea_popescu tzuica from c2
00:20 mircea_popescu it is the standard all other brews measure up (or more often, down) to
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00:49 * BingoBoingo never really drank for the taste
01:01 mircea_popescu https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/79/89/a5/7989a50bab91a60a8de37d71c13c66aa.jpg << and who stole it ?
01:10 mod6 just took a step into a much larger world here
01:10 mod6 :!./ffa_test
01:10 mod6 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000024
01:11 mod6 was, 6*6=36d (0x24)
01:11 mod6 finally :]
01:12 mircea_popescu nice
01:15 mod6 pretty ciked really.
01:16 mod6 took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible.
01:17 mircea_popescu ya no small hill oif beans
01:17 mircea_popescu write it all up btw
01:18 mod6 sure, will throw something out there; maybe by the end of the weekend.
01:21 mod6 well, might be a bit premature, but will refine it a bit and get something out there.
01:21 mod6 this is actually using karatsuba, haven't even integrated the new comba code yet.
01:22 mircea_popescu "from scratch to 36d (0x24)". by mod6.
01:22 mircea_popescu not bad eh ?
01:22 mod6 yah, the big victory, at least for me, is figuring out how to use the thing.
01:22 mircea_popescu so then
01:23 mod6 :] fair enough
01:27 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/AjrmF << Lol, fucking domain squatters
01:28 BingoBoingo "At Tue Aug 01 2017 00:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time), Bitcoin confirmation scores may become unreliable for an unknown length of time. This means that any bitcoins you receive after that time may later disappear from your wallet or be a type of bitcoin that other people will not accept as payment." << lol
01:28 mircea_popescu "alternatively, don't go on forks, don't have a problem."
01:31 mircea_popescu anyway, can't do anything else, try and FUD it.
01:31 mircea_popescu teh usg is about as predictable as shit in the road.
01:32 mircea_popescu who wants to buy / sell some bitcoin on Aug 01 at 0 "coordinated universal time" whatever the shit that means.
01:34 mircea_popescu let me rephrase that in the form of a question. who wants to buy / sell some bitcoin on Aug 1st ?
01:36 BingoBoingo Well, this is a most idiotic of forks, use luke-jr UASF client, and you fork onto luke-jrXT chain at X date with no miners required
01:37 BingoBoingo So it may be time to load jerry cans onto the roflcopter
01:37 mircea_popescu fulla what, bait worms ?
01:39 BingoBoingo Why not, it's time to think outside the blocks http://epmonthly.com/article/think-outside-blocks-creative-uses-lidocaine/
01:40 mircea_popescu it's time for random shitstain to angle towards unwarranted relevancy 24/7 over there, innit
01:42 BingoBoingo Well, to be fair they burned most of their other names. This is just Luke-jr's turn
01:43 mircea_popescu lol either that or karpeles.
01:43 mircea_popescu anyway, bitcoin.org straifght to /dev/null. utter scamsite.
01:45 mod6 ^
01:48 mircea_popescu !!rated lukejr
01:48 deedbot mircea_popescu has not rated lukejr.
01:48 mircea_popescu odd.
01:49 mircea_popescu !!rated luke-jr
01:49 deedbot mircea_popescu rated luke-jr -10 at 2014/07/24 17:24:17 << VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within
01:49 mircea_popescu such name.
01:52 BingoBoingo Well, when your greatest health problem is a bubble, you forget the fat brained dun remember stuff.
01:53 mircea_popescu or have any money.
01:54 mircea_popescu incidentally my greatest health problem atm is hooker-acquired strep throat. bubble long gone, lost a little weight and well... that was it.
01:57 BingoBoingo But how much distress is this causing compared to the murder bubble?
01:57 mircea_popescu ~none.
01:57 BingoBoingo AHA
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03:15 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
03:15 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2381.5, vol: 11630.24626974 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2336.287, vol: 3864.84628 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2340.7, vol: 18797.66823435 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2430.452946, vol: 7123.30490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2385.295, vol: 7170.25236891 | Volume-weighted last average: 2369.85539893
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06:16 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-475410.txt
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10:02 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
10:02 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 05:16 mod6: took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible.
10:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649044 << somewhere in there
10:03 a111 Logged on 2017-04-27 21:57 phf: asciilifeform: i did a thing
10:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682315 << is this the one where they have an entire chinese minery coopted for phorkwar griefing ?
10:11 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 05:28 BingoBoingo: "At Tue Aug 01 2017 00:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time), Bitcoin confirmation scores may become unreliable for an unknown length of time. This means that any bitcoins you receive after that time may later disappear from your wallet or be a type of bitcoin that other people will not accept as payment." << lol
10:12 asciilifeform ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! )
10:13 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/13/the-implications-of-bitcoin-for-inheritance/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The implications of Bitcoin for inheritance.
10:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682308 << comba is an O(N^2) multer. it beats the classical one simply because it doesn't need a scratch buffer of length N. it goes as the base case in karatsuba, not instead of it
10:13 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 05:21 mod6: this is actually using karatsuba, haven't even integrated the new comba code yet.
10:15 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZVgC/?raw=true << like this.
10:17 asciilifeform in other noose, bitbet.us still dead.
10:19 shinohai !!up andreicon
10:19 deedbot andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
10:19 andreicon o hai
10:19 shinohai hai andreicon ... who might you be?
10:20 andreicon some human from planet earth
10:20 andreicon not many left like me
10:20 andreicon just 7B copies
10:20 shinohai That's comforting, I have spoken to too many markov bots of late.
10:20 andreicon what's up with this chan?
10:21 shinohai Well http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ should explain the goal of this chan
10:21 andreicon shinohai: are you one of them? your spelling is too good
10:22 andreicon this seems interesting
10:22 shinohai I pride myself in using precise spelling and grammar when possible.
10:22 andreicon what are the benefits though?
10:22 shinohai Results may vary depending on time of day and my level of sobriety at the moment.
10:23 andreicon .. of participating in this... game?
10:23 shinohai Benefits?
10:23 andreicon for example
10:23 andreicon i already run a btc node
10:24 andreicon does that confer me a higher status in the republic?
10:24 shinohai Is it a http://thebitcoin.foundation/ node?
10:24 diana_coman !!key andreicon
10:24 deedbot Not registered.
10:24 shinohai Otherwise, most ppl present here won't be interested.
10:25 andreicon nope
10:25 andreicon what version are they running?
10:25 andreicon i don't think i've updated mine in a while
10:25 andreicon i've been happy seeding the chain
10:27 andreicon diana_coman: cauti pub de gpg?
10:27 andreicon :))
10:28 diana_coman lol; andreicon nu, ci iti atrag atentia ca in esenta aici inca nu existi
10:28 andreicon okay, i suspected that. sry. let's stick to english
10:29 diana_coman sure; what brings you here?
10:29 andreicon i had just learnt of the existence of #trilema and thebitcoin.foundation
10:29 andreicon long story
10:29 andreicon i was looking up openbsd
10:29 andreicon on wikipedia
10:29 diana_coman plenty of time around here; it's a logged chan too, so people will read when they wake up/come around
10:29 andreicon and 5 minutes ago i found thebitcoin.foundation which linked to here
10:30 diana_coman #trilema and thebitcoin; no #eulora yet?
10:30 diana_coman ahh, I see; take it easy, it's a deep rabbit hole
10:30 andreicon yes, very deep
10:30 andreicon i'll look into it later this evening
10:31 andreicon maybe even switch my node to the version you recommend
10:31 diana_coman what were you after re openbsd?
10:31 mod6 mornin
10:31 diana_coman hi mod6
10:31 mod6 :]
10:31 andreicon just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting
10:31 andreicon heard fedora 26 was out
10:32 andreicon but then... i had already used fedora before
10:32 andreicon i want something i've never used before
10:32 andreicon so i was looking up bsd and arch
10:32 diana_coman do you know that curse "may you live in interesting/exciting times"?
10:32 andreicon never heard of it, but it doesn't sound like a curse. not in my book
10:33 andreicon openbsd led to mircea popescu donation 20k
10:33 andreicon mircea popescu led to trilema
10:33 diana_coman andreicon, how about gentoo?
10:33 andreicon and well... not so long story
10:33 andreicon isn't that deb based?
10:33 diana_coman in some sense all of them are binary based too
10:33 andreicon i'm thinking of switching to something different
10:34 andreicon as in ... a debian fork, uses apt as a package manager
10:34 andreicon nevermind that... i just felt i was stuck so i had to get my mind busy with something else
10:35 shinohai I am a former Debian user, now ashamed to say I used it for so long after being here and learning to gentoo properly.
10:35 andreicon shinohai: so would you recommend gentoo to an intermediate user?
10:35 andreicon i'm not yet familiar with the inner workings of the init system
10:36 shinohai I'd recommend it as worth taking the time to learn to anyone interested in computing.
10:36 shinohai (Rome wasn't built in day, etc.)
10:36 andreicon :)
10:36 andreicon how about support for lxc and docker ?
10:37 andreicon okay
10:37 diana_coman andreicon, what do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking?
10:37 shinohai ewww .... docker
10:38 andreicon i do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe
10:38 andreicon sorry to cut this short but i gotta switch offices
10:38 diana_coman np; but consider registering a key here
10:38 diana_coman as otherwise one can't even know it's *you* talking next time
10:39 diana_coman can be any other andreicon just the same
10:39 andreicon i'll meet you guys and gals later. ofc diana_coman, i will also register a key as soon as i reach my home office
10:39 andreicon !!key diana_coman
10:39 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
10:39 andreicon aight
10:39 andreicon that's what the output looks like
10:40 diana_coman aha; have fun
10:40 andreicon thx a lot guys, i feel like i'm going to have a good time talking to you here
10:40 andreicon tty later
10:40 shinohai See ya andreicon o/
10:41 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682345 << i have, can post it again, but afaik the interface has changed since.
10:41 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
10:43 phf i haven't stayed up to date, i'm instead studying this avionics software source code (it's a bit iffy, written by universities, but has a wider variety of stuff)
10:47 asciilifeform phf: link?
10:50 phf to my code or avionics?
10:51 asciilifeform read 'university', assumed it's public somewhere
10:52 phf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.00945.pdf https://github.com/tum-ei-rcs/StratoX
10:54 asciilifeform ty phf
10:55 phf i'm not sure how kosher it is (it's SPARK but they also use gnat extensions), i'm just recreating their project at a local hackerspace
10:55 asciilifeform and holy shit is that thing a hog, for what it ( at least according to the docs ) does !!
10:56 phf ikr
10:58 phf well, it's written by real time os people, rather than, you know, flight engineers, so naturally
11:00 phf another amusing point for how little it does AND assisted by both ada and spark they still manage to introduce 3 "mistakes"
11:00 asciilifeform https://github.com/tum-ei-rcs/StratoX/tree/master/software/hal/hal/src << holy mother of fuck, why is there vga framebuffer handler in a weather balloon ??
11:01 asciilifeform and touch screen ?!!
11:03 phf just to clarify, is not a weather balloon, it's an autonomous uav glider
11:03 asciilifeform with vga touch screen, uhuh
11:04 asciilifeform pretty lulzy shitfest. great resource for learning 'how not to ada'
11:04 phf oh fuck you :)
11:05 asciilifeform but overall not a bad time to note, there are afaik no public examples of 'how to ada' that would have satisfied asciilifeform .
11:05 asciilifeform ada had this slow accumulation of concession-to-'mainstreamindustry' barnacle crud
11:05 phf fwiw it invalidate your thesis that ada is hipster proof
11:06 asciilifeform shit can be piled on top of anything. question is whether it chemically bonds to it, or not.
11:06 phf and they are coming from the "formal verification" direction, via spark
11:07 asciilifeform FIRST you write the fits-in-head minimal ffa-like thing. THEN you spark.
11:07 asciilifeform just like 'first you pillage, then you burn' (tm)(r)
11:07 diana_coman well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point
11:07 phf ^
11:08 phf still a question of ownership. you can even have a C compiler without undefined behavior, if you're rob pike and wrote it from scratch for your own os.
11:10 asciilifeform thus far i am satisfied with my ability to cleanly scrape the shit off gnat. e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681702 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681931 produces asm that satisfied my 'is this really nonbranchingonsecretz' headache.
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 00:56 asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions.
11:10 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 18:57 asciilifeform: mod6 et al : moar gnatology for fun an' profit : add -S -fverbose-asm to your -cargs to replace .o output with readable asmolade
11:12 asciilifeform but indeed there is no escape from the ownership requirement. we already have a 'final' gnat, for instance.
11:12 asciilifeform ( i will not be using the clang gnats )
11:15 phf right
11:16 asciilifeform the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms
11:18 phf for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc.
11:19 asciilifeform phf: lol, i haven't updated since...
11:19 asciilifeform $ ls -l `which sbcl`
11:19 asciilifeform -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 231120 Apr 22 2013 /usr/bin/sbcl
11:19 asciilifeform but sure. they'll pile, pile on the shit.
11:20 asciilifeform for all i know , latest one forces use of [] in place of ()
11:20 asciilifeform or whatever.
11:21 asciilifeform ( and items like sockets were never in the standard to begin with, and eternally a free-for-all of proprietary crapolade )
11:26 phf proprietary crapolade is still preferable to the "compatibility packages", which are often poorly written (hello, cffi!) and ripe for modernization (uiop)
11:27 asciilifeform phf: even straight posix-c glue is preferable to those.
11:27 asciilifeform phf: witness what i did re mmap for instance.
11:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << subj
11:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
11:27 asciilifeform adacore has their own mmap library, gpl. but it is ~20x the size of mine, and it is difficult to see why
11:28 asciilifeform ( well, not really difficult, it insists on, e.g., supporting winblowz. )
11:28 asciilifeform i took 1 look and thought 'straight to the furnace with this'
11:28 asciilifeform mine worx, even on crapple.
11:28 phf or possible supporting all kinds of system specific corner cases (oh netbsd returns NULL here instead of "FOO")
11:29 asciilifeform betcha even if you support all of the weird bsds, it will add maybe a few lines.
11:30 asciilifeform ( and ftr i have nfi whether adacore's thing works on netbsd etc )
11:31 asciilifeform adacore's mmap resembles that 'avionics' thing. full of 'meta' liquishit.
11:31 asciilifeform the kind of proggy written by folx born to shovel dung.
11:31 asciilifeform 'look at my loc counter, i am HARD WORKER!'
11:32 asciilifeform 'i have 9000 layers of metatronics keeping track of own navel lint'
11:35 phf well, problem is that there doesn't seem to be much in terms of tasteful ada code available to public. with common lisp you can go to mid-90s and before and you start getting some very reasonable works, worthy imitation.
11:35 asciilifeform asciilifeform is very slowly fixing this.
11:35 asciilifeform i've even contemplated making the result available, somehow, in dead tree, eventually.
11:35 asciilifeform ( i like dead tree. and know some folx who also like. )
11:35 phf bulk of ada code i've seen so far is very much workingmen code, cobol like stuff from the belly of industrial facilities
11:36 asciilifeform phf: this is not necessarily bad thing
11:42 asciilifeform phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into.
11:42 phf nah, potato programming doesn't contain any sort of insight. the quality is a bit higher, once you're done wrestling with the compiler, but it takes experience, intelligence and taste to come out on the other end.
11:43 asciilifeform 'insight' is overrated
11:43 asciilifeform there ain't much of it in, e.g., ffa
11:43 phf just because socialists stole the terminology, doesn't mean that words somehow lost their meaning
11:43 phf there's plenty of insight in ffa
11:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682351 << dude... ustards. did they ever do anything ? other than blather, did they ? http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-02#1038618 ? never happened ?
11:44 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:12 asciilifeform: ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! )
11:44 a111 Logged on 2015-03-02 15:03 mats: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-01/iraq-deploys-27-000-troops-to-retake-tikrit-from-islamic-state
11:44 asciilifeform see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 for what i mean
11:44 a111 Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
11:44 asciilifeform phf: the 'insight' in ffa is simply the kind that was taught to the prussian soldiers -- 'stop overthinking'
11:45 mircea_popescu the tikrit fucking offensive. if you actually had the means to do an embargo on russia, would you announce it in advance ? if you had the actual men and materiel to take as much as an ozarks farm, would you announce it in advance ? etfc.
11:45 mircea_popescu the whole fucking pile of fail consists of the vague hope someone may be dumb enough to take a barking caterpillar for a dog.
11:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sorta what 'fud' means neh
11:46 mircea_popescu no, not really. fud is closer to the tmsrt notion of army in being than to the ustard notion of stupid males with cunts whining.
11:47 asciilifeform a credible thread != fud
11:47 asciilifeform *threat
11:47 asciilifeform 'angelic legions of heaven will smiteya' -- fud
11:50 mircea_popescu if a guy who looks like bill de blasio profers it, the whine can never be a threat. that's part of the definition of threat, there';s a tail in there going "and it was not said by anything like http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/de-failsio.jpg "
11:51 mircea_popescu there's the pedosmile ; and then there's the castratocantthreato smile.
11:51 asciilifeform fungi dun even have faces
11:52 mircea_popescu kids about the age of i dunno, 15 or so if they're really late with the brain development discover ourdemocracy spawned parents can never threaten.
11:52 mircea_popescu there is a reason for this.
11:53 mircea_popescu and so you hear the better hos going "or else what ? whatcha gonna do, bitch ?" to their mother on occasion, and know you've struck gold.
11:53 phf asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.
11:53 phf *if
11:53 asciilifeform phf: reread the linked frederickthegreat thread
11:53 mircea_popescu phf i'll propose to you that the problem is too much over"thinking". the idea is to get the idiot stop doing what he thinks is thinking.
11:53 asciilifeform the hypothetical 'complete idiot' has the problem of 'buluceala' in his head. not 'not enough thought'
11:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu has it.
11:54 mircea_popescu exactly.
11:54 mircea_popescu this is seen ALL THE FUCKING TIME with randos walking in here, under the hallucinatory impression that they have minds. a fine recent example being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672449
11:54 a111 Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 sn0wmonster: i like how you made this about you.
11:55 mircea_popescu he thinks, in the portable latrine he carries above his shoulders, that such nonsense is the result of a thought process, that he's thinking, you know, at me and etcetera.
11:55 mircea_popescu this is because he actually lacks the capacity to discern thought from the dumb shit he's doing ; not because he's not thinking enough.
11:56 phf well, then wtf
11:56 mircea_popescu and if he went to an establishment supported by pantsuit money and dedicated to the encouragement of shit sloshing, he could spend any amount of time and effort NOT IMPROVING
11:56 mircea_popescu which is how you get talented souls who evidently put time into it, like say djb, or like say blum, being dumber than the l2.
11:57 asciilifeform phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc
11:57 mircea_popescu who aren't nearly as well selected or invested into their own mental life.
11:57 phf you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you
11:57 mircea_popescu this is not true.
11:58 mircea_popescu you know the joke about the ny plumber who has a price for fixing a faucet that broke, and a different one for fixing a faucet you tried to fix ?
11:58 mircea_popescu i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years.
11:59 mircea_popescu speaking of which, teh dungeon calls ; i shall be back in a coupla.
11:59 asciilifeform picture how many years for djb!
11:59 asciilifeform ( he's probably need a decade of gulag, like korolev, at this point )
11:59 mircea_popescu no, it's why i gave up on the notion. djb is too old to be worth it, just like 35yo woman caught in wild.
12:00 asciilifeform well yes, hence 'not worth'
12:02 phf i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make
12:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
12:03 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:58 mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years.
12:04 asciilifeform phf: i'ma try again. for past few yrs i collected various maculature re 'bignum arithmetic', etc. and it all turned out to be rubbish, it is going to the flea market. because was made by people who did not consider the essentials.
12:04 asciilifeform i.e. 'what do you ACTUALLY NEED for rsa ?'
12:04 phf you improve your craft by studying from master craftsmen. if you've studied too long in from poor craftsmen, never developed the skill to discriminate, etc. then of course you're going to be poor craftsman yourself (and possibly unteachable)
12:04 asciilifeform this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
12:05 asciilifeform and realizing that they are the reason why $subj ( for various values of $subj ) appears not to make sense.
12:05 phf sure, but you can do that if you ~learned to discriminate~
12:05 asciilifeform now this is true.
12:05 asciilifeform but i am not currently sure whether this is teachable.
12:05 asciilifeform and, if so, how.
12:06 trinque most important bits probably in youth, i.e. beatings for the hint of lying shitbag.
12:06 phf i can learn from that avionics code and possibly not even pick up too many bad habits, but i doubt i could've done that 15 years ago
12:06 phf and the habits that i do pick up would be eliminated in the next round of learning
12:08 phf i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master"
12:10 phf ~for me~ studying ffa is a faster method to pick up good habits, shed bad habits, considerably more so than say studying that avionics code above.
12:14 phf but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
~ 20 minutes ~
12:35 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) << It's the one where they talk derps into client that forks by rejecting mined blocks
~ 35 minutes ~
13:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682578 << that was sorta the whole point. the traditional bignumtrons drove me batshit with their insistence on 'limbs' etc. i.e. nonuniform, heapy memory
13:10 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
13:10 asciilifeform so i asked 'what would this look like on sane iron' and ended up with ffa
13:10 phf that's unrelated to my point
13:11 asciilifeform ( consider the observation: if martians dropped in front of your house a 8192-bit cpu, you could set Word => 8192 and ... all of the loops disappear.
13:11 asciilifeform )
13:13 asciilifeform phf: if you want example with moar moving parts, the nqb snippets are probably closer
13:14 asciilifeform ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )
13:19 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634235 << thread )
13:19 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 18:09 asciilifeform: but it remains, to demonstrate experimentally.
13:29 asciilifeform the other thing, phf, is that not so many things ACTUALLY call for 'many moving parts'.
13:29 asciilifeform e.g. the problem described in the avionics link, certainly does not
13:30 asciilifeform so if you see 1) problem that doesn't call for multitude of moving parts + 2) multitude of moving parts --> you know you are looking at rubbish
13:30 asciilifeform and oughta have your entomological hat on.
13:30 asciilifeform ( if it's rubbish even worth digging through, that is -- most rubbish ain't )
13:32 asciilifeform trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant
13:33 asciilifeform ( and, most often, not even in 'famous restaurant' but mcd... )
13:33 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682567
13:33 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 16:04 asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
13:33 asciilifeform aha! what i learned was: throw it out and derive from 0.
13:36 phf you studied them never the less
13:36 asciilifeform wasted -- literally -- years.
13:36 asciilifeform ( upside: now you dun have to )
13:37 asciilifeform there is no, for instance, useful reason to read gmp ( unless you're van-ecking gpg users, in which case you gotta )
13:38 phf well, if you can write me an avionics code that will do all the things (figure out the position of aircraft in space, both on micro i.e. in relation to earth's surface and macro i.e. gps levels, knows how to adjust that position both in normal operational and critical situations, etc. etc.) then i won't have to study existing ones either
13:39 asciilifeform it is difficult to write proggy for machines that i dun have
13:40 asciilifeform but it is conceivable that one day i will write one of even these, also.
13:40 asciilifeform ( though i'm moar interested in gravimetric/terrain navigation than gps )
13:40 asciilifeform i.e. the kind usg can't switch off or meacon on a whim
13:41 phf i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that
13:41 phf *want
13:41 asciilifeform ( relatedly : where is the open-source heat-seeker ?? )
13:42 phf note that the actual output of the system is servo motor commands
13:42 asciilifeform well yes
13:42 asciilifeform what else.
13:42 phf i'll use your device and claim that the comment was "for the log readers" ;)
13:43 asciilifeform phf: i'd separate 'motion planning' from 'avionics', conceptually
13:43 asciilifeform the latter is the set of immediate, real-time things like 'keep machine balanced' and 'counter wind' etc
13:44 asciilifeform the former is 'where do i wanna be 2 hrs from nao'
13:44 asciilifeform for motionplanning an internal lisp would not even be inappropriate
13:44 phf right, motion planning also the part that's non existent in above code, so easier to greenfield, where's avionics is there in however poor form
13:44 asciilifeform (not a bad exercise, btw -- make a 'tinyscheme' in ada)
13:45 phf i think a good exercise is to rewrite one of the existing c machine subtrates from cmucl or sbcl in ada. but left for another lifetime
13:46 asciilifeform making a scheme is an almost approachable thing, tho
13:46 asciilifeform esp. if you dun much care re speed
13:48 asciilifeform upstack and re navigation -- i'd like to see the lost art of electrical star tracking, come back
13:48 asciilifeform ( it worked ok in 1950s (!) with WHOLLY ANALOGUE components. why not today ? )
13:50 phf it's one of the reasons i started looking in this direction. obviously gps is inadequate for wasp stack
13:51 phf asciilifeform: you have any links re "electrical star tracking"?
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13:55 asciilifeform phf: aka celestial navigation. earliest relevant item being the gyrosextant.
13:55 asciilifeform http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract << 1st public description of the nazi one
13:56 asciilifeform ( paywall, see if you can find on warez )
13:57 phf http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-hub.cc/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract
13:57 phf i thought maybe you have one of those '99 home pages by a electrical star tracking aficionado
13:58 asciilifeform the german one, of course could not find the fixed stars by itself, had to be set before rocket is fired. but would then keep the lock.
13:58 asciilifeform phf: unfortunately not. the field was more or less quashed by usg.
13:58 asciilifeform ( there might be good ru material floating about, i never dug in properly, it is on the lengthy conveyor )
13:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682562 << i perceive i am not at liberty to speak here, but must quote newman : http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.23-31.373 ; this quote is not a rhetorical device, nor a stylistical choice. it is no choice at all. i ~must~ quote newman.
13:59 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 16:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
14:00 mircea_popescu recursively, this perception of mine -- and its attendant structure! -- is an example of the meaning, see also the Framedragger thread re proper referencing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637745
14:00 a111 Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :"
14:00 mircea_popescu but, in correct terminology, it is very directly v-for-thought, and nothing else, and no more. "i thought i was writing code" "where's your press ?" "fuck. i understand now i was actually, and literally, and without remainder, just pouring sand on my dick for the novelty of the sensation, exactly like 3 yo first-time-at-black-sea does!"
14:00 mircea_popescu aaaand meanwhile, at the true love ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a8318b4ee01e4c59952bdc8b778c82a5/tumblr_oaazx2WHu01u20dnoo1_400.gif
14:00 asciilifeform phf: celestial navigatron may not look as 'sexy' as a thermonuke, but it is actually in some ways equivalent in terms of strategic worth : a 10x moar accurate navigatron is worth roughly 100x the nukage! because inverse-square. think about it.
14:00 asciilifeform so no, you won't find one at 'microcenter'.
14:02 mircea_popescu i have nfi what to do now, continue conversation node way back, go through the logs, re-read the short range here...
14:02 mircea_popescu ima go hack up a pineapple, brb.
14:02 phf :D
14:07 mircea_popescu phf sorry about that. in retrospect i picked the worst choice, not even on the menu. should have just made a short hi and then decided.
14:07 mircea_popescu the finer points of forum scheduling still elude me. but nevertheless -- let it be said each dog wil lget his day in the sun and nothing will remain buried in the logs, forgotten. so.
14:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682392 << part of the internet history, lelz.
14:11 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:29 andreicon: i was looking up openbsd
14:13 mircea_popescu oh also : let it be said that there are few luxuries more luxurious than this thing whereby you point out the window, "see? that one!" and half hourish later you're hacking up the very fruit in question. they do make iiiiincredible fucking pineapples here.
14:13 phf asciilifeform: somewhat related, i'm sure you've seen http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm
14:14 mircea_popescu and since we're talking of fruit and here, let's take a detour into pina colada. the way to say ass in a sexy-friendly way is cola, which is why the sort of jeans that put out the girl's ass are called levantacola. so now... pina colada should thereby be translated "hourglass pineapple".
14:15 phf !#s "aholme"
14:15 a111 3 results for "\"aholme\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22aholme%22
14:15 asciilifeform phf: handcrafted fpga gps? yes, saw
14:15 mircea_popescu he links it in 2015 heh
14:16 phf no, he linked a discrete ttl forth machine by the same guy
14:16 asciilifeform iirc also saw
14:16 mircea_popescu ah this is a gps receiver
14:17 mircea_popescu actually great article, re the whole "extract signal from below thermal noise floor" thing.
14:17 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/usg-domain-squatters-hype-soon-to-fail-luke-jrxt-fork/ << Qntra - USG Domain Squatters Hype Soon To Fail Luke-jrXT Fork
14:18 mircea_popescu "Mixing with the same code in the correct phase de-spreads the wanted signal and further spreads everything else." << if this isn't technology i dunno what is.
14:18 phf that fpga receiver is also technically an illegal device. i don't know if that's in the same article, but consumer gps is supposed to cut off signal when traveling above certain speeds or certain altitudes (i don't remember the specifics though)
14:19 ben_vulpes and accelerations iirc
14:19 mircea_popescu pretty sure any sort of non-usg engineering is not legal in usgland.
14:20 asciilifeform phf: the gnuradio sdr thing (receives AND SENDS!11) is also theoretically banned, but still sold ( 3 or so hundy iirc )
14:20 asciilifeform even at 'amazon'.
14:21 asciilifeform i suppose if you're found gpsing with one it'll be like the d00dz found with kalash where they drilled the extra hole.
14:21 mircea_popescu "The TCVCXO is good; but not quite up to GPS standard when operating un-boxed in windy locations. Blowing on it displaces the 10.000000 MHz crystal oscillator by around 1 part in 10 million or 1 Hz, which is magnified 150 times by the synthesizer PLL. This is enough to momentarily unlock the satellite tracking loops, if done suddenly."
14:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: an 'oven' crystal is about a hundy.
14:22 mircea_popescu i dunno why he'\s not using better oscillator assembly
14:22 asciilifeform because desk prototype, i imagine.
14:22 asciilifeform 'see if even could'
14:22 mircea_popescu aha, ya
14:23 mircea_popescu i am also suspicious of the 1 max 5 common best fix.
14:24 mircea_popescu anyway, splendid article. this is what articles should aim to be.
14:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682405 << bwahahaha. teh old girlfriend is approaching 30, is she, time for a new one.
14:30 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:31 andreicon: just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting
14:33 mircea_popescu !~later tell andreicon re btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682416 see btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666245
14:33 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
14:34 mircea_popescu 16k lines in five weeks ? how the hell does anyone even keep up with this thing.
14:34 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way.
14:40 asciilifeform phf: i tried to find the usglulz re gps speed limit, did not yet find, but found other similar wtf, e.g. http://www.gps.gov/spectrum/foreign/
14:40 asciilifeform 'The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules require licensing of non-federal receive-only equipment operating with foreign satellite systems...'
14:40 mircea_popescu http://68.media.tumblr.com/2fc0db5e94b5ec60a1a6cf24f2b64ae7/tumblr_o5k91cVFvc1tgs3fno1_1280.png << this incidentally is a fine example of what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664458 : bed-door clearance ? exactly enough to fit a standing chick, if were thin, AND NO MORE.
14:40 a111 Logged on 2017-06-02 02:06 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach.
14:40 mircea_popescu now compare to "the upper class" bed.
14:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform an amusing novelty might be a glonass/gps receiver, with a large "has WW3 started ?" sign to go off once it receives neither/.
14:41 mircea_popescu !!up andreicon
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14:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure ipnoje ships with these
14:41 mircea_popescu a really ? alright then.
14:41 asciilifeform ( is it connected to the map widget proggy? now this i have nfi )
14:41 asciilifeform but chinese chip makers have, iirc, long ago stopped making usg-only units
14:42 asciilifeform because wai.
14:42 phf no, only connected to internal tracking transceiver
14:42 mircea_popescu phf that restores my faith in apple engineering. could buy its own ass!
14:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally : the pineapple hacking device is this chinese blade i bought on a lark. turns out it's the best steel i own / have seen in a long while.
14:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: believe or not, there are ok cn knives
14:43 mircea_popescu no longer are the chinese the short yellow men of yore. actual steel.
14:43 asciilifeform and, will add, ~all work ok when new.
14:43 asciilifeform see if 'actual steel' a coupla yrs later.
14:43 mircea_popescu that's my point.
14:44 asciilifeform ah then neato.
14:45 mircea_popescu altogether very well made knife, and wouldn't shame the milanese.
14:45 phf but then i bought a handful of hand forged (non-artisanal, but for cutting coconuts and other such low skilled labor) knives in india. easily outperforms all the junk i had at home, apart from solingen cooking knives
14:46 mircea_popescu coconut beheading not unskilled labour, i would say.
14:46 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way. << ty fxd
14:46 mircea_popescu phf do they do the one hack while holding the fruit move there ?
14:47 phf yes, and since you reminded, i retract the unskilled part. i tried recreating the move, nearly hacked my hand off a few times, but not much damage to the coconut
14:48 mircea_popescu anyway, the problem of steel is not altogether a trivial matter of material science. nor is hand forging the universal solution. gotta make the steel for the purpose, as it were.
14:48 mircea_popescu phf it's all because of mommentum. counter-military blow, the blade decelerates just as it hits somehiw. i can't do it either.
14:49 phf also they use it to hack trees for kindling, etc. i tried using the knives for that purpose during camping, couldn't do much damage either. i suspect, yes, there's a tricky technique to it.
14:50 mircea_popescu ah, THAT i can do.
14:50 mircea_popescu not full speed, they manage an incredible coupla miles an hour, but still, human. i count for a 14yo boy i guess.
14:51 mircea_popescu (jungle expedition consists of this person at the front doing a sideways circular motion with the machete to cut through all the gunk that grows everywhere. the men rotate at the front because it's hard fucking work.)
14:51 asciilifeform 'All the major manufacturers that create chips for mobile devices (Broadcom, Qualcomm, CSR, Samsung, uBlox) have these limits deeply baked into their chips. If you want to go beyond the CoCom limits, you'd have to redesign the silicon, or at least reprogram the firmware without the manufacturer's support. That's not easy -- it's several years of work.' << lol
14:51 mircea_popescu i thought you didn't read reddit.
14:52 phf there's a scene in samurai executioner comic book, where main character is cutting wood with a very similar looking knife, observed by a local youth. the kid later tries to repeat the move, and complete fails to even penetrate the surface. pretty much where i'm at with all this :)
14:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i do use search engine
14:52 asciilifeform phf: yes!
14:52 mircea_popescu phf i had a local guy who was trying to impress a local girl explain it all to me. fibers, man!
14:54 mircea_popescu incidentally, for alf's benefit since he keeps asking about afghani survival skills : the social dynamics of peace is that the upper crust girl will erotically fixate on the foreign devil with some frequency ; and without exception she will have local cicisbeo xn ; and such a local will attempt to impress her by training you, with some frequency. becauyse hey, he figures the distance'd illuminate for her dumb female head how
14:54 mircea_popescu big a mistake she's making.
14:54 mircea_popescu there you go, you've now just read 80% of all "exotica" literature.
14:54 mircea_popescu from maytreyi to jules verne.
14:55 asciilifeform phf: http://archive.is/u5uG8 << might be interesting to learn where d00d got his hardware. because the article immediately gives us the fact that that particular receiver has the cripplement in firmware. after this, only a matter of finding where (derp, of course, did not post it)
14:55 mircea_popescu it is one of the more obvious illustration of the "sexual relations === education" relationship.
14:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's a cicisbeo xn ?
14:55 phf http://web-simco.rhcloud.com/images/products/large/P006.jpg (knife in question, mine has less curve to it, the edge is almost entirely straight with only a slight curve at the end)
14:56 mircea_popescu !~google cicisbeo
14:56 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Cicisbeo - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicisbeo>; Cicisbeo | Define Cicisbeo at Dictionary.com: <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cicisbeo>; Cicisbeo | Definition of Cicisbeo by Merriam-Webster: <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cicisbeo>
14:56 mircea_popescu that times n.
14:56 mircea_popescu phf ah that's a rather different item. it's not properly a machete, more like a sort of kukri.
14:56 asciilifeform ah lol institutionalized cuckoldry
14:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup. all primitive societies practice a sort of adolescent male cock caging as a cultural, ofthen the ONLY cultural endeavour.
14:58 mircea_popescu phf if you triedf to junglewalk with that thing you'd be blind for all the shit it drags into your face. machete blade is curved the other way, to (if used in the right manner) repell everything at a 45ish angle
14:59 mircea_popescu also has to be sharpened "correctly". too sharp it embeds, too dull it tires you prematurely.
15:00 mircea_popescu there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing.
15:00 phf right, this is more of a worker knife. i've seen it used at construction sites for example to shape the beams
15:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it ain't as if modern people spend moartime thinking..
15:00 asciilifeform despite not having to cut own firewood with dull knives.
15:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform point being -- ancients did. just, they thought about things nobody cares one wit ore way or the other today.
15:01 mircea_popescu wtf, if i actually have to clear jungle i'll bring in hydraulics not futz with a million blades held by a million locals.
15:01 asciilifeform usg tried it both ways in vietnam.
15:02 mircea_popescu "tried".
15:02 mircea_popescu usg hasn't tried anything since ww2. and even that was half-ass
15:02 phf another interesting knife from same region, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VRUwF_g5iR0/Sgk6yhrBeYI/AAAAAAAABg8/M66pogppt14/s320/image-upload-360-758538.jpg (the lower one). that one is explicitly used for dealing with coconut trees. the hook is there keep the knife secure while climbing up the coconut tree
15:02 mircea_popescu which is how the russians got to germany while the us was figthing the "heroic" monkeys of italy.
15:02 mircea_popescu incidentally, the military history of italy in ww2 is almost as amusing as the colonial history of scotland.
15:02 mircea_popescu worth a read. bandiera nera and all that mountains of greece tiganiada.
15:03 mircea_popescu phf you met any of those banana spiders ?
15:04 phf i haven't
15:04 mircea_popescu apparently one of the most poisonus critters. only lives on bananas.
15:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for an example of actually trying, any large open pit mining project will do ; the sort where they can aford (ie, it makes economic sense) to design their own single-run machinery.
15:10 mircea_popescu rather than buy multipurpose trucks and excavators and whatnot.
15:14 shinohai !!up andreicon
15:14 deedbot andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
15:14 andreicon thx
15:14 andreicon !!register http://104.40.149.77/pubkey
15:16 andreicon is he always so silent?
15:16 asciilifeform lol microshit?!
15:16 mircea_popescu if it fails use wotpaste
15:16 andreicon looking at the logs i see he got it
15:17 andreicon !!key andreicon
15:17 deedbot Not registered.
15:17 andreicon he failed
15:17 andreicon :)
15:18 mircea_popescu andreicon http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ << put it in there.
15:18 mircea_popescu iirc deedbot doesn't visit arbitrary urls.
15:18 andreicon yes, i agree, i could be malicious
15:19 andreicon !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Vw9Ti/?raw=true
15:19 deedbot 0791933111718EE32B7530422EAF8C142CB4FF7E registered as andreicon.
15:19 andreicon 3 other people did visit that url
15:19 mircea_popescu or bots. the channel is well watched lol.
15:19 andreicon at least one was a browser
15:19 mircea_popescu !!rate andreicon 1 believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.
15:19 mircea_popescu andreicon how do you know this ?
15:19 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5t0oL/?raw=true
15:20 mircea_popescu !!v 0A36241C3C49877A1B2A4C32327433DACF377A858F2A84597BB298A1A1D1DFCA
15:20 deedbot mircea_popescu rated andreicon 1 << believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.
15:20 andreicon - - [13/Jul/2017:19:15:05 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
15:20 andreicon i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers
15:20 mircea_popescu not bad at that. i guess plenty of people may go to the trouble to curl -A "blabla" but few will also add a spurious favicon hit.
15:21 asciilifeform http://ipinfo.io/AS8075/104.40.0.0/13 << lol
15:22 asciilifeform say andreicon , why is microshit your isp ?
15:22 mircea_popescu !!ssh 104.40.149.77
15:22 andreicon i'm using a virtual machine on azure
15:22 phf he's probably hosting it on azure
15:22 asciilifeform ^ was my guess
15:22 mircea_popescu meh what was it
15:22 asciilifeform mightylel
15:22 andreicon my tiny rpi won't run kodi and apache at the same time
15:23 mircea_popescu !$ssh 104.40.149.77
15:23 andreicon we can't allow the music to stop now, can we?
15:23 phf i like digitalocean, though judging by the articles coming out about it's not long for this world re sanity
15:23 mircea_popescu this is where Framedragger interjects to explain why azure isp was not in his whole internet scan!
15:23 andreicon phf: i only use what's free
15:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it's a microshit vm it won't answer to ssh , now would it.
15:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and certainly not on the classic port.
15:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but the ip must run some kind of machine no ?
15:24 mircea_popescu you mean they got their own tivo over there to this degree ? no ssh ?
15:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if it's anything like aws, it gives you 2 ( and external ip for ssh only if you ask nicely )
15:24 asciilifeform and yes.
15:24 andreicon 22 should be exposed to the world
15:24 * mircea_popescu asks question, discovers in response that he had nop fucking idea.
15:25 mircea_popescu so you're telling me windows isn't just a skin on a functioning machine, but an actually dysfunctional from the ground up one ?
15:25 phf gulag$ nc 104.40.149.77 22
15:25 phf SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2
15:25 mircea_popescu ahem.
15:25 asciilifeform lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster
15:25 andreicon holy ssh, is that your local hostname?
15:26 phf andreicon: it's my work machine :p
15:26 mircea_popescu you work in the gulag ?
15:26 asciilifeform fancy -- hq
15:26 andreicon lol
15:26 asciilifeform i had mere 'butugychag'
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform see alf ? microshit ACTUALLY IS just a skin on a functioning machine.
15:26 asciilifeform 'functioning'
15:27 phf mircea_popescu: considering that i oversee a handful of web developers, while barely working myself, the joke about "he fell from the guard tower" is very apropos :o
15:27 mircea_popescu lmao
15:27 andreicon :)
15:27 asciilifeform lol!
15:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i should hope saiod machine had casemod with black light everywhere ?
15:28 asciilifeform i dun think i have any of those lol
15:29 * asciilifeform still lulz at the perverse englishism 'black light'
15:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682463 << bwahaha. you'rte asking for it, lockal hacerspace boi!
15:29 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:04 phf: oh fuck you :)
15:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, like "human services" or "defense force" etc.
15:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682468 << of all the fucktarded notions... what, WHAT on god's green earth possesses a halfwit to attach himself to an idea like this.
15:31 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:06 phf: and they are coming from the "formal verification" direction, via spark
15:31 mircea_popescu "i'm with the flight research community" "do you fly ?" "oh, no. well... sometimes we do whippets."
15:31 mircea_popescu "the flight research community is not flying, it is ABOUT flying."
15:32 asciilifeform not mega-puzzler. consider the haskell people. 'hey this is a mechanical substitute for my brain! says on the box!!'
15:32 mircea_popescu "but it doesn't work" "well yea but i got this power drill, will fix brain."
15:32 mircea_popescu anyone seen frankenhooker ? i heartily recommend, exact rendition of us-born "STEM" idiot. the dude with the power drill.
15:32 mircea_popescu doing some researches. and stuff.
15:33 asciilifeform re drill, see also finale of film 'pi'.
15:33 phf drill in pi is a legitimate device though. "don't want to think anymore"
15:35 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ah lol institutionalized cuckoldry << Nah, pretty typical role for the young homosexual male. When the women got fat and the gays went mainstream became "fag hag" phenomenon.
15:37 BingoBoingo <andreicon> i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers << Normal for good scrapers
15:38 andreicon i don't believe burp does that iirc
15:38 andreicon or other vuln scanning utilities i've used
15:39 asciilifeform andreicon: if not, you then have an easy boobytrap for 'scanning utils i've used'
15:39 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster << Recent-ish thing
15:39 andreicon i usually write my own, but i never thought to include a get to favicon
15:40 asciilifeform andreicon: art of virusism is not for you then
15:40 andreicon asciilifeform: i've been trying to set up a honeypot, i strive to be on the good side
15:40 phf microsoft did a "pivot" under the indian guy and "embraced" "open source". they have an aws competitor, and a user space lunix and i don't know what else.
15:40 asciilifeform phf: dun forget microshit wget!
15:41 asciilifeform and open sores visualstudio!
15:41 asciilifeform and c# on shithub.
15:41 phf oh yeah, they have their own shell that's not a shell thing
15:41 phf powershell?
15:41 asciilifeform nah that's old
15:41 phf well, no, but now it's all kinds of programmable. a sort of poor man's repl
15:42 asciilifeform usg has , turns out, just this ONE trick -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664
15:42 a111 Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
15:42 asciilifeform embrace&extinguish.
15:42 andreicon windows ppl around me still prefer point and click
15:42 asciilifeform aka taiwanization, etc
15:42 andreicon and non replicable configs
15:43 andreicon dunno, i tried windows 2016 datacenter with containers on azure
15:43 andreicon pulled tianon/true
15:43 andreicon ran into "Not a windows container"
15:43 andreicon "screw this"
15:43 andreicon went back to deb
15:45 phf andreicon: now would probably be the right time to figure out deedbot's challenge/response dance for self-up, since you're now registered and in wot
15:46 BingoBoingo !!up andreicon
15:46 deedbot andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
15:47 andreicon you wanna hear me talkin or you wanna see me workin?
15:47 andreicon !!down andreicon
15:52 andreicon mkay
15:52 andreicon took me a while
15:53 andreicon i think imma keep the help page in a tab somewhere
~ 24 minutes ~
16:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682471 << it all goes back to the following fundamental : is there a substance to things beyond the context, or isn't there ? (traditionally stated by ustardia as "nature-nurture conflict", which is nonsense). in any case -- can you take the tica out of the barn and the barn out of the tica ? or just one ? does the whore become ~substantially~ unwife through living in the brothel long enough
16:18 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:07 diana_coman: well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point
16:18 mircea_popescu ? are wives condemned to bitter unpleasantness for simply being wives ?
16:18 mircea_popescu that sort of thing.
16:21 andreicon wives are just women if there's no husband
16:22 andreicon wife is bitter cause the husband hit her
16:22 mircea_popescu generally the republican outlook is substance before form (aka, idealism, aka exactly heine's "Herab auf Euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze") whereas the imperial outlook is "context only" hence the pantsuit's demographic delusion re 2016 elections.
16:23 mircea_popescu and since we're doing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680957 , http://68.media.tumblr.com/4e54764eda25b324153d726c5dda127a/tumblr_on5ih8KSJK1r0e640o1_1280.jpg
16:23 a111 Logged on 2017-07-09 15:56 phf: lotta "romanian" girls now, i.e. darker, gypsy looking ones. is that normal for romanian girls, or that sort of type is purely gypsies?
16:24 diana_coman mircea_popescu, myeah; thing is rust eats out core until there's nothing left but that's not to say there was just powder to start with; or in any case, not in any other sense than "it's all powder"
16:24 mircea_popescu but the point is for the core to not be rustable, if it's to be a core at all. otherwise what's core mean ? geometrically derived ?
16:25 * diana_coman is all of a sudden curious if she's gypsy looking
16:25 diana_coman yeah, meant it geometrically
16:26 diana_coman should have said also: gypsy *enough* - because I certainly looked "Italian" to austrians and "gypsy" or ukrainian to Russians etc
16:26 mircea_popescu you just about look ukrainian, yeah.
16:27 mircea_popescu something like that, eastern polish, lithuanian.
16:27 diana_coman eh, to Italians in the South I looked...German!
16:27 mircea_popescu right.
16:27 mircea_popescu this sounds counterintuitive, but they're all talking of the same thing. no longer "ethnically determined state", as it happens, but that's happenstance.
16:28 mircea_popescu could just as well have had that patchwork set instead of the current patchwork set.
16:31 diana_coman maybe; the more general distinction that kind of held was southern/northern or eastern/western and moreover in the sense familiar /foreign/very foreign
16:31 diana_coman nothing to do much with colour per se
16:33 diana_coman mircea_popescu, re core: disease/old age can eat out a person's core in more than geometrical sense; do you mean that any person who didn't die core-intact basically had no proper core to speak of?
16:36 mircea_popescu yes, i would say that to die senile is some kind of retroactive macula on one's intellectual history.
16:38 mircea_popescu "leonidas died young, and when asked by someone why is he dying young, leonidas answer that he prefers the citizenry wonder why leonida is already dead than to bemoan leonidas still being there."
16:39 diana_coman that much is clear re preference and all that; the retroactive part is at least...interesting if not iffy outright
16:41 mircea_popescu and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?
16:42 mircea_popescu antonescu's letter to the turpitidinous "traditional parties" even references some speech of his.
16:48 diana_coman I'm really more exploring where this goes rather than having some solid thing on it either way
16:48 diana_coman things done don't get undone anyway
16:49 diana_coman forgotten yes, undone though no
16:50 mircea_popescu i dunno. the fact is that the core rotting away results in the conclusion that "there was no core to begin with" rather than in the conclusion rthat "it had a core -- but then it ated it."
16:52 mircea_popescu this is rather plainly retroactive.
16:53 diana_coman but then it got eaten; failed to adapt basically, which in one way all death is
16:53 mircea_popescu phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. << check it out, the apotropaion of lisp!
16:53 diana_coman at the extreme that means then that well, it died therefore it never existed to start with
16:53 trinque andreicon, going to want to get a permanent connection, and stop the join / part noise.
16:54 mircea_popescu diana_coman and what are the dead but just a dream we dream.
16:54 mircea_popescu i can see it going that far. all who died never existed to begin with, which is why there's so little interest youth derives from one's own personal history.
16:55 mircea_popescu did washington "really exist" moreso than say "captain planet" ? in what "objective" ie non-wot-based approach.
16:58 mircea_popescu far as you know, ted turner's brainchild is just as existent as von steuben's commander general.
16:59 diana_coman quite; though youth simply does not have anything personal yet and certainly no history of its own
16:59 mircea_popescu right.
17:02 andreicon sorry, trinque, i'm still getting used to whatever irc clients are available. irssi ftw. also sleep > wake cycles
17:07 mircea_popescu phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ?
17:08 diana_coman !!rate andreicon 1 actively searches for more exciting things in his life
17:08 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcJZl/?raw=true
17:08 diana_coman !!v B515549AC3C19A3367EF945A66360D8AED81117DFF7BC5BDCB573465ECD090DE
17:08 deedbot diana_coman rated andreicon 1 << actively searches for more exciting things in his life
17:08 andreicon :)
17:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682504 << you should see diana's managers club :D
17:08 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 15:32 asciilifeform: 'i have 9000 layers of metatronics keeping track of own navel lint'
17:10 diana_coman you know, I WAS thinking it sounded so much like planeshit...
17:11 mircea_popescu the stories of people stuck dealing with the empire crapolade all sound alike, much like the stories of people stuck dealing with romania's 90s orphanages, or generally with the output of any other "realist" ideology.
17:12 * diana_coman is looking for asciilifeform's "noshit.jpg" :p
17:14 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682561 << did this ever get resolved ?
17:14 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 16:02 phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make
17:16 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682911 << quisling iirc also !
17:16 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 20:41 mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?
17:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682929 << absolutely that. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 .
17:18 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ?
17:18 a111 Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
17:18 asciilifeform it's the glue-with-broken-glass we discussed in 2014, etc
17:18 mircea_popescu phf consider this : in many insects, as well as reptiles and other inferior (and therefore simpler) lifeforms, the male/female decision, or else the reproductor/drone decision (such as in bees) is not made genetically, like it is in mammals, but through some manner or other the egg comes with a lever settable in the field so to speak. now -- the male lizzard come out of egg that was cold in its youth ain't never going to be f
17:18 mircea_popescu emale now, no matter what hot sauce you rub all over its scaly skin.
17:19 mircea_popescu similarily, the child who was raised by wolves (as still practiced today, in india as well as maryland) will never learn proper speech.
17:19 mircea_popescu there is a time when his neurons were making the connection-and-myelinization decision. that time came and went, a decision some way or another was made, and it is there for all time.
17:20 mircea_popescu this is at the core of identity -- that if you spend your youth with idiots, whether you ~could have been~ smart or not, an idiot will you be.
17:20 mircea_popescu and so in this sense, the problem of the reddit hacker isn't something he does. it's something he did.
17:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aka bonsaikitten
17:21 mircea_popescu forinstance.
17:22 mircea_popescu the fact that you've not forcefed raw beef into your daughter when she was 12 is never something that she can fix ; gym or no gym, poledancing or no poledancing, her thigh bone will be 99.85% of average length as opposed to the maximal 103.557% her genotype might've allowed her fenotype to turn out.
17:23 asciilifeform eh ilizarov can fix.
17:23 mircea_popescu the guy who learned in earnest how to "empathy" has not merely lost his time in the pursuit of subliterate idiocy ; but actually invested that time into implanting harmful gargauni into his skull, much like someone who spends $100 to buy some radium which he then swallows isn't out merely the $100 he paid for the radium
17:23 mircea_popescu but also the $100 mn to try and get it back out.
17:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: dunno that anybody actually, in earnest, sits and 'learns to empathy', it's a signalling scamola
17:26 asciilifeform and i'd predict that most of the perpetrators would stop overnight after the first educational public impalements began.
17:26 mircea_popescu but that is the point : if you spend your time learning to signal instead of learning to do, you cheat yourself of a chance at life once the whole dumbery you were exchanging signals with goes away and you're left with just the trees, johnny.
17:26 asciilifeform now this is so.
17:26 mircea_popescu this is an early decision in human brain development, kid has to decide if he wants to learn to signal or if he wants to learn to do. age about 1.5 to 2 or so.
17:27 asciilifeform 'how do i learn this?' 'start by going back 20yrs..'
17:27 mircea_popescu some parents have the wit not to allow the kids the former. fewer kids -- also have it, somehow.
17:27 mircea_popescu but otherwise, given the chance, kid will grow into signaller.
17:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider the following point : girl confronted with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678254 and my plain and clear isntructions broke down in tears, because, in her own estimation, couldn't understand what she's supposed to do. because had no idea whatsoever how toilet works, imagined it has something to do with electricity, so of course it can't flush if there's no power.
17:29 a111 Logged on 2017-07-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: no power, no pumps (i live up on a hillside) and so i had the girls... fery water. from the pool, with ex-paper baskets repurposed as sacas, up the fucking stairs.
17:29 asciilifeform holy mother of shit
17:29 mircea_popescu the point isn't the mistake, but the fact that girl collapsed as a writhing, mucuous mess under the whip, because ~couldn't~.
17:29 mircea_popescu now that's some fine, primo signalling work.
17:29 asciilifeform i wouldn't keep one of these around. better a dog, a horse.
17:30 mircea_popescu why ? perfectly fine girl.
17:31 asciilifeform lol!
17:32 mircea_popescu every one of these thrown rocks, flying through the air propelled by the historical power of their ancestor's accumulated wealth (aka, wisdom and work) will hit the wall somewhere. this was her somewhere. not that different from all the others.
17:32 asciilifeform the sheer lifelong complete absence of curiosity, needed to land on the fucking throne N times a day and never look for the mains plug
17:33 asciilifeform if i were crashed on the proverbial starvation island with this animal and a dog, i would eat her first , before the dog
17:33 mircea_popescu but this is not so. let's jointly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682748
17:33 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 19:00 mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing.
17:33 asciilifeform what was she thinking about instead ? watching own hair grow in the mirror ?
17:33 mircea_popescu curious about the wrong things with very definitely the wrong people.
17:34 mircea_popescu what, the per-acre curiosity secreted by javascript programmer is not substantially different from yours or mine, is it now. andreicon is here because he wanted what was it, a more exciting os ?
17:34 mircea_popescu if my os came up with a way to be exciting i'd probably buy a flamethrower the same day.
17:35 asciilifeform even the lowest javascript monkey has, say, awareness of the fact that his shitter is not plugged into the mains. and can hang a picture, change a filter, etc
17:35 mircea_popescu ironically, the shitter actually is plugged into the mains. water dun go uphill by itself.
17:35 mircea_popescu shittoon -- in one strand, alfie.
17:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mine is, theoretically, also, shit dun go uphill either.
17:35 asciilifeform but this is a slide.
17:36 mircea_popescu it's just once removed.
17:36 asciilifeform throne per se not electrified.
17:36 asciilifeform everything is everything else once-removed, lol.
17:36 mircea_popescu see, the naive has the advantage of a very distant bird's eye
17:36 mircea_popescu this ~is~ an advantage.
17:36 asciilifeform except that it ain't
17:36 asciilifeform give 0 leverage.
17:36 andreicon mine has poop sensors, i am a very different signaller
17:36 asciilifeform just writhing mess.
17:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no leverage gives itslef like a slut in marriage. for it to give -- you gotta use. it can be used, i'm a fine example of using it.
17:37 asciilifeform writhing mess is never > havingaclue
17:38 andreicon i'm not a good example, i'm in the right place for the wrong reasons
17:38 asciilifeform andreicon: how do you know you're 'in the right place', gotta ask
17:38 asciilifeform maybe right place is 3 doors down
17:39 andreicon i like what i'm reading, it's keeping me entertained, curious
17:40 andreicon i'm not exactly sure whether i'm supposed to intervene or just observe
17:40 shinohai andreicon: Log reading is highly recommended
17:41 andreicon but i take pride in being an above-average thinker so i'm sure i'm in the right place. just don't know why until i read the 22mn lines of logs
17:41 shinohai Welcome to boot camp, we've all been there ....
17:42 andreicon thanks for the warm welcome
17:42 shinohai :D
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18:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682694 << incidentally americans for some reason luvvv building these micro-bedroom things. the room where asciilifeform has bed is more or less JUST big enough to construct the frame ( carried in, yes, in pieces ) inside, and that's mostly it.
18:09 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 18:40 mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/2fc0db5e94b5ec60a1a6cf24f2b64ae7/tumblr_o5k91cVFvc1tgs3fno1_1280.png << this incidentally is a fine example of what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664458 : bed-door clearance ? exactly enough to fit a standing chick, if were thin, AND NO MORE.
18:09 mircea_popescu meanwhile in jail, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b5815533f7fc02d1fd8f5b646c88d36/tumblr_n5vfgyIji71sfxd6jo1_500.gif
18:17 andreicon asciilifeform: that's because they love their walk-in dressing rooms which take space, you know?
18:17 asciilifeform andreicon: this place dun have one of those tho
18:17 mircea_popescu possibly because harder to fall out of bed if there's nowhere to fall to ?
18:18 asciilifeform many lulz re american houses, other than the well-known fact of their being made from cardboard. for instance, most of one tends to be taken up by the 'living room', which in turn is rendered ~useless because it has NO AIRLOCK ( try and put electronics in there, thermal shock, rain )
18:18 mircea_popescu !?
18:19 asciilifeform aha.
18:19 mircea_popescu what do you mean no airlock\
18:19 asciilifeform no buffer zone with 2nd door , keeping rain & wind out
18:19 asciilifeform just this 1 door. as if year were 1700.
18:19 mircea_popescu opens right out into the street ?
18:19 asciilifeform aha!!
18:19 mircea_popescu dude what has happened to that place, i was there not so long ago.
18:20 andreicon they started building them like that over here too
18:20 andreicon it's just a lot cheaper
18:21 mircea_popescu so if im in the livingroom with say stoya going on the main screen and a coupla girls on the couch, discussing things right ? and there's a knock oin the door, and i send one to see who's there, and she goes and opesn the door... the neighbour now sees my other girl's tits, stoya and my pubic hair ?
18:21 asciilifeform absolutely.
18:21 mircea_popescu who wants this ?!
18:21 asciilifeform afaik nobody
18:21 asciilifeform they get it anyway.
18:21 asciilifeform i've been to 'rich' houses. no airlock either.
18:21 andreicon did americans stop building their own houses?
18:21 asciilifeform unless built pre-1980s
18:22 mircea_popescu afaik they made these built in for 1970s style matchbox 500sqft soviet flats.
18:22 asciilifeform flats, funnily, suffer less from this. they get intrinsic airlock of the hallway.
18:22 mircea_popescu where both a) fucker, NO SPACE and b) airlock is actually stairwell, shut it excuses are available.
18:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ya but had it anyways!
18:23 mircea_popescu this soviet soyuz 2.0 is really a very shitty remake.
18:24 asciilifeform i also suspect that 'no airlocks' is a usg 'helpful suggestion' to architects -- after all , airlock complicates the work of the bust-in-the-night-under-colour-of-law folx
18:25 asciilifeform ... they'd have to go through window. might, ohnoez, cut a finger.
18:25 mircea_popescu why can';t they go through the hallway lol
18:25 andreicon 2 doors, awkward position
18:25 mircea_popescu put steel doors on each end and have a proper medieval style spitroasting
18:25 asciilifeform 2nd door gives designated victim time to take aim
18:26 andreicon over the pond, to the east, we build our own airlocks: http://static4.libertatea.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/12654617_969983439759240_8044084609941868473_n.jpg
18:26 mircea_popescu ahahaha
18:26 asciilifeform andreicon: that's pathetic
18:26 asciilifeform knock out 1, other falls off immediately
18:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform understand, it's an outside view.
18:27 asciilifeform airlock rightfully consists of 2 iron doors that 1) swing in opposite directions 2) cannot both open at once
18:27 mircea_popescu it's like a entry with an aluminum siding condom on top
18:27 asciilifeform what's the use?
18:27 mircea_popescu use ? what use.
18:28 andreicon its to prevent draft
18:28 andreicon romanians would rather boil than feel a gust of wind
18:28 andreicon idk, it's their way of staying healthy i guess
18:37 mircea_popescu the other bizare part with houses is this thing whereby the door opens into the street. wouldn't it be logical to have the door open into the "back" garden ?
18:37 asciilifeform typically there's 1 of those also
18:38 mircea_popescu yes but used backwards. let the visiting sluts take their clothes off in front of the house, shimmy naked to the pool area behind the house, shower there and ~maybe~ if not used in the field that day be allowed into the actual house.
18:38 mircea_popescu wtf is this "go through house to get to backyard"
18:39 asciilifeform same reason as why no airlock.
18:39 mircea_popescu no visiting sluts ?
18:39 asciilifeform they... 'like' surprises, apparently
18:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Your biggest fan girl is missing https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/6n3h78/tantrum_v_tantrum_opposition_to_lukejrxt_coin/
18:40 mircea_popescu who ?
18:40 shinohai Excellent piece btw BingoBoingo
18:43 mircea_popescu o look, reddit still sorta-exists.
18:43 mircea_popescu we did it diggit!
18:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682412 << fun fact : had theo hung on to thje bitcoin instead of "investing" it into whatever it is he [thinks] he;'s doing, he'd have more fiat-accounted added value today than he actually has.
18:45 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:33 andreicon: openbsd led to mircea popescu donation 20k
18:45 shinohai "You're in for a treat if you haven't read yet any 'works' by MP of MPOE/MPEX fame and his #bitcoin-assets associates. " <<< Well THIS guy is just up-to-date isn't he!
18:45 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> who ? << The sciencehatesyou chick
18:45 mircea_popescu he's not produced enough in the intervening years to keep up with tmsr's coin.
18:46 mircea_popescu shinohai hey, i also only read newspapers after a year-ish maceration.
18:47 shinohai The difference being you maceration results in finely fermented items fit for consumption.
18:47 andreicon mircea_popescu: had he exchanged donated btc, he did so to pay older debt
18:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc theo de raadt turned to rms-like 'human mushroom' thing looong ago
18:47 asciilifeform surrounded by hannoboecks, they do the talking, the 'investing' etc.
18:48 mircea_popescu shinohai there is that andreicon there is that. asciilifeform there is that.
18:48 mircea_popescu im getting cards printed.
18:48 asciilifeform betcha if you had him airlifted and put in a room and asked, he genuinely never heard of mircea_popescu , or bitcoin, or news from past decade.
18:49 mircea_popescu that inept "permitting fungus to grow on you" helpers bs though... i have no idea what they're thinking.
18:49 mircea_popescu trump you could say he's senile, or had no choice. but linus fucking had plenty of choice, and chose wrong.
18:49 asciilifeform ... or of anything since he inhaled the spores.
18:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, we talked.
18:49 asciilifeform lolsrsly!? what did he say
18:49 asciilifeform 'oops' ?
18:49 mircea_popescu ah, not after. before.
18:49 asciilifeform aah
18:49 mircea_popescu i can dig it out if you're particularly curious.
18:52 * asciilifeform curious
18:52 mircea_popescu be a while, it's been years and besides, email.
18:54 andreicon so jan 2014 btc was like 750-1000. today that would've amounted to ~60 grand
18:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kzhwj/?raw=true
18:57 asciilifeform 'To maintain transparency, I am not a OpenBSD Foundation director, so you'd have to ask them... Encouragingly, I have heard discussion about some policy for public recognition of large donations, and I suspect that would handily cross the threshold' << lol!!
18:57 mircea_popescu i dunno what they keep saying themselves, but it all reduces to "And furthermore, infestation is fine and lice are my friends"
18:58 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu knew that the btc would go into the hands of a monkey?! before sending?!
18:58 mircea_popescu yes ?
18:58 asciilifeform but wai
18:58 mircea_popescu mircea_popescu has more btc than sense.
18:58 andreicon bcoz routers and bgp
18:58 mircea_popescu alternatively, mircea_popescu is good at what he does ; wheres the oposition, not.
18:58 mircea_popescu one or the other.
19:01 mircea_popescu (for bonus lulz, compare and contrast with the rogerzus ver blowing up the cover of blockchain.info to try and recoup a half bitcoin or some shit. bassically contemporaneous events, and yet at least headcount reddit still thought ver actually has anything to do with bitcoin.)
19:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aaaand if you wish to be REALLY rattled in that vein, compare and contrast with mp giving random "bitcoin banker" wanna-bes coupla HUNDRED btc just so they can't keep the pretense up any further.
19:04 mircea_popescu fortunately for me, the advanced kako-nubbins logics of 2016 hadn't yet arrived on the scene back in 2012. somehow.
19:04 asciilifeform was i alive for that one..?
19:04 mircea_popescu nope.
19:04 mircea_popescu and what a riotous time it was!
19:04 asciilifeform didntthinkso
19:05 mircea_popescu i think BingoBoingo might have been ; and had his private chuckles hence.
19:05 asciilifeform asciilifeform was silently sweating over room full of fpga in those dayz.
19:12 mircea_popescu anyway, none of this is anything compared to the literal tens of thousands of btc destroyed in the first attack upon the fledging currency. a bloody victory.
19:13 asciilifeform the 0.8 fork ?
19:13 mircea_popescu nah. was a purely financial event. btc was supposed to crash, except a lot of pressure unwound through mpoe options and the whole thing fizzled.
19:14 asciilifeform the mtgox penny thing ?
19:14 mircea_popescu nope.
19:14 asciilifeform незримого фронта солдаты lol
19:14 mircea_popescu there have been a lot of "tape painting by fake news" events like that. mtgox printing 0's, pirate going on about how "he's going to crash btc", etc.
19:15 mircea_popescu none of these counted for much in rpactice, for the obvious reason : washington post is not powerful.
19:15 mircea_popescu anyway, was early summer 2013 if memory serves. the whole thing's on the books.
19:19 mircea_popescu (unlike washpo, mp is actually powerful even in the purely signalling sense, which is why my "stop buying" worked, and cheaply, and well.)
19:22 asciilifeform in what sense were the 'tens of thousands btc' destroyed btw ? went to enemy ?
19:22 andreicon more likely went to unowned addressed, burnt
19:22 mircea_popescu not specifically, "went into weak hands" i guess would be the best way to put it.
19:23 mircea_popescu there's this ancient piece by hanbot about the structual problems of giving idiots money.
19:23 asciilifeform that was 1st hanbot thing asciilifeform read !
19:23 asciilifeform mega-article
19:23 mircea_popescu notbad huh.
19:24 asciilifeform the one where 'created a high-powered idiot, who can wreck exchange rates, create pyramids, etc' or how it went.
19:24 mircea_popescu anyway, in something liek that sense destroyed, now the poor darlings have to work their way out of idiotlandia all over again.
19:24 mircea_popescu yes that one. the power to misallocate capital.
19:25 andreicon do share if you have link, pls
19:25 mircea_popescu give a million idiots a trillion dollars so they build half million pizzerias and spend the rest of their short unhappy lives whining about the high prices of flour, the horrible traffic and the absent custom.
19:26 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aaaand if you wish to be REALLY rattled in that vein, compare and contrast with mp giving random "bitcoin banker" wanna-bes coupla HUNDRED btc just so they can't keep the pretense up any further. << aha. scammers abound.
19:26 * shinohai thought about this piece when Coinbase recently asked for more VC $$$but couldn't turn it up .....
19:26 mircea_popescu o right, mod6 WAS there iirc. recall harnett, rosenfeld & friends ?
19:27 mod6 oh ofc.
19:29 whaack What would have been bad with btc sitting at "too high" a price? Is it that a herd of people trying to get as many coins to hold from these "weak hands" would have bought in at a higher price than needed, thus making any concerted effort to raise the price in the long term much more difficult?
19:30 hanbot andreicon> do share if you have link, pls >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.msg1167765
19:30 mircea_popescu whaack artificially high prices are a fine way to wreck a symbol. consider how torpedoes work (they don't push at the ship, but create a vacuum. it then gets filled). consider also the parable of the walmart giant and the neighbourhood chair.
19:31 asciilifeform ^ or how being dropped from 7th floor window, works.
19:31 mircea_popescu or that.
19:32 * asciilifeform lolling over usg 'mixer' ads on current-day tardstalk behind link
19:32 asciilifeform 'MIXING REINVENTED FOR YOUR PRIVACY' etc
19:32 mircea_popescu are they tor-based ?
19:32 asciilifeform dunno, can't be arsed
19:33 mircea_popescu i should hope ssl everywhere.
19:33 * whaack is not familiar with the walmart parable
19:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-30#938314 << oddly the oldest reference is not the direct item. wtf happened here.
19:34 a111 Logged on 2014-11-30 06:31 mircea_popescu: like the stuff discussed above re usg agency redhat, fuycking up linux. EXACTLY the stiuation of the giant ruining a chair.
19:34 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-november-2014-statement/#selection-649.0-737.1
19:35 mircea_popescu oh! tyvm/
19:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/?date=22-11-2014#931333 << story.
19:37 mircea_popescu dude reading old logs is such a treat.
19:39 andreicon hanbot: thank you. mircea_popescu: oh, it is. especially if they're yours.
19:47 andreicon "Alternatively it is always easier to just not like me. You will lose money." << this is gold
19:48 andreicon so many people getting doxxed on btctalk
19:49 andreicon that site is gonna go down may 2018
19:49 shinohai as opposed to going down ~3-4 times a month as it does already?
19:49 mircea_popescu the bot autoarchives links anywya
19:50 mircea_popescu and i think also saves local copies. maybe. does it ?
19:50 mircea_popescu shinohai was it yours or Framedragger 's ?
19:51 shinohai Framedragger 's I think.
19:51 mircea_popescu Framedragger do me the favour and check if scriba has somewhere on disk a copy of the above tardstalk link content saved ?
19:51 andreicon shinohai: may 2018 some new privacy reform happens in europe, might hinder their activity
19:52 mircea_popescu i wouldn't expect anyone gives much of a shit about merkel and may's "europe"
19:52 andreicon me neither, but their hosting company or isp might
19:53 mircea_popescu their role is strictly in organizing the young female swede fucklines, keep them nude and lubricated. no more.\
19:53 shinohai Certainly not thermos, champion of tardstalk free speech! (unless you are friends w/ mircea_popescu )
19:53 mircea_popescu besides, it runs on all-new software already!
19:54 mircea_popescu shinohai speaking of which, they have this bridge here. it was going to will have been finished by mid april.
19:54 andreicon looks like the same software softpedia runs
19:59 mircea_popescu adlai marquardt (aka http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/ ) is chiefly famous for having hired some friends and paid them however many millions from donations to "make a better forum software".
19:59 mircea_popescu was delivered exactly like you'd expect.
20:00 mircea_popescu i mean andreicon ^
20:01 andreicon "we added AI to our product" means "we added a bunch of ifs to our code"
20:02 andreicon phpBB was good as it was
20:09 andreicon i'm off, cheers
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20:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682576 << i'm not really aware of this. fill in the $guy ? who ?
20:47 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 16:08 phf: i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master"
20:51 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, i put iron maiden on, whole house suddenly took this very 90s aspect.
20:55 mircea_popescu the killer's breed, or the demon's seed. the glamor, the fortune, the pain. back to war again, blood is freedom's stain. don't you pray for my soul anymoar!
20:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682609 << isn't this literally the travelling salesman ? what moving parts, it's known-hard.
20:56 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 17:41 phf: i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that
20:57 trinque TWO. MINUTES. TO MIIIIDNIGHT.
20:57 trinque yeah, I'm gonna join in. great idea.
20:58 mircea_popescu trinque woman cooking, me on the couch, computer smoke in the air... totally, the last good decade.
20:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682626 << only works if it's not cloudy. pretty much the whole of the current shitstack has this alternative explanation ready, that they moved away from things that absolutely not work some % of the time to things that theoretically work universally, no matter how poorly / exzpensive /etc.
20:59 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 17:48 asciilifeform: ( it worked ok in 1950s (!) with WHOLLY ANALOGUE components. why not today ? )
21:00 mircea_popescu proper army bootcamp ? doesn't work for non-whites. alright, make the modern us army then, it'll be shittier but whatever.
21:00 mircea_popescu on and on in this manner.
21:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682651 << military value of accuracy isn't even quantitative, but qualitative. you won't even WANT nukes if you can get centimeter resolved delivery guaranteed.
21:02 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 18:00 asciilifeform: so no, you won't find one at 'microcenter'.
21:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: clouds dun exist at the rocket's march height
21:03 asciilifeform so nope.
21:03 asciilifeform ( all current icbm -- stellar-guided. just as in 1962. )
21:04 asciilifeform 0 radio.
21:04 asciilifeform ( famously, not even a cancellation signal receiver. or so claimed, i suspect that it's a lie )
21:10 asciilifeform now to be fair, ballistic rocket only needs guidance for maybe 10min.
21:14 mircea_popescu i thought he was doing a plane thing
21:14 asciilifeform phf? prolly
21:14 mircea_popescu so then what are we talking about.
21:15 asciilifeform phunphakt -- 1st model of 747 had a hole for stellar nav
21:15 asciilifeform liner also dun give a fuq re clouds
21:15 asciilifeform clouds are only problem for infantry.
21:15 asciilifeform and navy.
21:16 mircea_popescu q
21:20 mircea_popescu and roflcopters like hackerspaces futz with.
21:21 mircea_popescu trinque "face up, make your stand, and realise you're living in the golden years". fucking said it outright, also.
21:21 asciilifeform i often wonder what the practical speed and ceiling are, for 'roflcopter'
21:22 asciilifeform why couldn't it, in principle, work as strela.
21:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682684 << ftr, theoretically optimal gps fix resolution is in the cm range. coupla inches demonstrated in practice.
21:22 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 18:23 mircea_popescu: i am also suspicious of the 1 max 5 common best fix.
21:22 asciilifeform ( battery sux, yes, but does it prohibitively suck. )
21:22 mircea_popescu hey, get a RTG, fly across atlantic on it.
21:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's for stationary antenna
21:23 asciilifeform the cm figure
21:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is no such thing as stationary in this context.
21:23 mircea_popescu it is however for machine capable of complex partial derivates work.
21:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no rtg will lift itself in atmosphere. for same reason as steam engine will not.
21:24 asciilifeform power/weight.
21:24 mircea_popescu what, you shield it too ?
21:24 asciilifeform not shield problem
21:24 asciilifeform radiator.
21:24 trinque midnightmagic: goddamned being a man anthem right there.
21:24 trinque d'oh
21:24 trinque mircea_popescu:
21:24 trinque and they have many
21:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a 400kg or so rtg, gives 100w or so.
21:26 asciilifeform heat engine - has 2 ends
21:26 mircea_popescu eh, get out. stick of polonium actually glows blue. 140W/g!@
21:27 asciilifeform 2nd law, mircea_popescu
21:27 mircea_popescu make better couplings!
21:27 asciilifeform the cold end, as with stirling engine, is the bitch.
21:28 mircea_popescu you're gonna make me a ... thermic engine, to power an electric motor out of electon emitting battery ?
21:28 asciilifeform would work great for autonomous narcosubmarine tho.
21:28 mircea_popescu wtf is this. use the electrons!
21:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we had the betavoltaic thread not long ago
21:28 mircea_popescu ten kgs of polonium are good for 140 days, during which the missing 5kgs will have produced 700 kW. enough to get across teh seas
21:29 asciilifeform kw-hr ?
21:29 mircea_popescu no, kw.
21:30 * asciilifeform bangs head on desk
21:30 mircea_popescu well ? it decays.
21:30 asciilifeform kw ain't a unit of energy
21:30 mircea_popescu am i gonna have to actually do the true maffs here
21:31 asciilifeform at least dun abuse the units, what didtheyeverydotoyou!111
21:31 mircea_popescu starts out as 140watt-seconds each gram. decays.
21:32 asciilifeform see the k40 thread for full calc.
21:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658654
21:32 a111 Logged on 2017-05-18 20:00 asciilifeform: oh btw mircea_popescu , a mol of k40 :
21:32 mircea_popescu i dun wanna do mols of polonium cuz it's heavy.
21:33 asciilifeform you do the g/mol conv. as in kindergarten.
21:34 asciilifeform y'know, the # printed on mendeleev table.
21:34 mircea_popescu i dun wanna
21:34 asciilifeform make trained pet do it
21:35 mircea_popescu anyway, the naturally occuring (210) does a 5.3mev decay to lead which is of interest.
21:35 asciilifeform ( this also brings to mind the 'fly to buenosaires on batteries' vintage thread )
21:35 mircea_popescu !~calc 6.023 * 10**23 * 5.3 * 10**6 * 1.6 * 10 ** -19 / 84
21:35 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 6.023 * 10**23 * 5.3 * 10**6 * 1.6 * 10 ** -19 / 84 = 6.080361904761904E9
21:36 mircea_popescu 6 Gjoules / gram
21:37 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C64C7349E185995A35DD3CD83C8A547ACB469A762F1F052320EF12E768A0E727 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1542...0439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.223.162.81 (ssh-rsa key from 92.223.162.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92-223-162-81.ip274.fastwebnet.it. IT)
21:37 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C64C7349E185995A35DD3CD83C8A547ACB469A762F1F052320EF12E768A0E727 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1415...4357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.223.162.81 (ssh-rsa key from 92.223.162.81 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92-223-162-81.ip274.fastwebnet.it. IT)
21:37 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3505E30A8EC26D039A902D7AE7FD2CF732B787FD93C5A19F58A8876B4221EB5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1646...9577 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.100.46.129 (ssh-rsa key from 198.100.46.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (198.100.46.129.static.a2webhosting.com. US MI)
21:37 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3505E30A8EC26D039A902D7AE7FD2CF732B787FD93C5A19F58A8876B4221EB5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1400...0629 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.100.46.129 (ssh-rsa key from 198.100.46.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (198.100.46.129.static.a2webhosting.com. US MI)
21:37 mircea_popescu so leave with 10kgs of po 210, arrive with 5kgs of po and 5kgs of lead, have a grand total of 30 Terajoules of energy for the trip. try not to waste so much you can't gain orbit.
21:37 asciilifeform now if we had the induced beta thing.
21:38 asciilifeform ( see thread from may )
21:38 asciilifeform and i doubt there ever existed 10kg of po210 .
21:39 asciilifeform ( or even 1 kg )
21:39 mircea_popescu fine, 10 grams, takes you down to 30 gigajoules for the trip.
21:39 mircea_popescu still counts for a few jerrycans.
21:39 asciilifeform price 1g some time.
21:39 mircea_popescu so if you can't buy it steal it.
21:40 asciilifeform tricky to steal item than only keeps in warehouse for ~yr, that there's maybe 1g of total on planet3.
21:41 mircea_popescu hey, i just make the plans, i don't implement them!
21:41 asciilifeform at any rate if you had induced-beta thing, no need to steal anything, sr90 lying around phree, folx will beg you to take
21:41 mircea_popescu where's the adventure in that
21:42 asciilifeform in coming out alive..
21:42 mircea_popescu there is that.
21:43 asciilifeform upstack: the lithium thionyl battery ( see thread.. ) is actually exactly what you'd want, for 'circumnavigate globe in lolcopter'
21:43 asciilifeform laughs at -40c
21:44 asciilifeform and roughly half the joule/g of petrol.
21:45 asciilifeform no prop icing, also, because... no exhaust
21:47 mod6 mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, tmsr~: http://www.mod6.net/ffa/from_thinair.html
21:48 mircea_popescu mod6 its routines!
21:48 mod6 ack!
21:50 asciilifeform neato mod6
21:51 mod6 fixed :] thx.
21:52 mod6 found another incorrect 'its built-in dumper' too. herpaderpa
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/10B9C5AD7BF686D2783039BCD49B6030C3CAF62449D619C7C0CD762096767C55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...0037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.168.183 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.168.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/10B9C5AD7BF686D2783039BCD49B6030C3CAF62449D619C7C0CD762096767C55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1438...4343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.168.183 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.168.183 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FDCE223C38F58E8566151DC7B61CE305D163C1653C88FAB37AFC33CF23AF24C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...5009 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.4.217.212 (ssh-rsa key from 103.4.217.212 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (magic.infonova.co.th. TH)
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FDCE223C38F58E8566151DC7B61CE305D163C1653C88FAB37AFC33CF23AF24C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1557...7287 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.4.217.212 (ssh-rsa key from 103.4.217.212 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (magic.infonova.co.th. TH)
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15AEAD26B1D41896A4CBCECBC7A6D3147157549809CFEED0C8486BDF99DCEBD3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...1549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.136.184.31 (ssh-rsa key from 217.136.184.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.jacques-rijckaert.be. BE WAL WLG)
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15AEAD26B1D41896A4CBCECBC7A6D3147157549809CFEED0C8486BDF99DCEBD3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.136.184.31 (ssh-rsa key from 217.136.184.31 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.jacques-rijckaert.be. BE WAL WLG)
21:55 asciilifeform mod6: shl in some longer numberz
21:56 mircea_popescu very short and elegant really.
21:57 mod6 i can certainly try some things like shifts, rotates, etc and make a part II, or III if req.
21:57 mircea_popescu someone should use it to calculate factorials imo.
21:57 mod6 moar to come.
21:57 mircea_popescu "here's a list of factorials calculated by alf's ffa : "
21:57 mircea_popescu "this last one took about half a day overnight while i slept"
21:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you can even say right nao how long N! will run.
21:59 mircea_popescu aha
21:59 mod6 ah, sure. can try some of these too.
21:59 asciilifeform without doing it.
22:00 mircea_popescu i think fgor most bright young minds it's the first encounter with "wtf bs 8bit"
22:00 asciilifeform mod6: another phunexperiment - change the word size.
22:01 asciilifeform it dun have to be a machine word
22:01 mircea_popescu well yes!
22:01 asciilifeform or even multiple of it. so long as it fits in one.
22:01 mod6 i've tried using like 2**8, and 2**16 too iirc.
22:01 mod6 just spits out a shorter FZ as expected.
22:01 asciilifeform ( spoiler : linear speed ding )
22:02 asciilifeform and yes, thing will work ok in msdos.
22:02 mod6 for instance, 2**8:
22:02 mod6 :!./ffa_test
22:02 mod6 0000000000000024
22:02 asciilifeform in realmode.
22:03 mod6 i need to integrate W_Mul_Comba & W_Add_D and do some of the other things suggested above.
22:04 mod6 currently using an ffa sneakpreviewed ~3 weeks ago or so.
22:04 mod6 (contains completed karatsuba, but no comba)
22:06 asciilifeform mod6: i posted this today
22:06 asciilifeform would post whole thing again, but currently rearranging bunch of things to go with the fascism pragmas
22:07 asciilifeform incl. - yes - gotta change the invocation again.
22:07 asciilifeform ( no moar record type. plain array of words everywhere nao. )
22:10 mod6 ah, ok.
22:12 shinohai http://archive.is/7TqvG <<< lol Alpha Bay admin conveniently does an hero in his cell
22:13 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682355 << mod6
22:13 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:15 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZVgC/?raw=true << like this.
22:14 asciilifeform shinohai: lel, overexcited cokemachine operator..
22:15 mircea_popescu "according to Andrei Barysevich, a director at Recorded Future Inc., which sells data about online threats and the Dark Web."
22:15 mircea_popescu check them out lolz.
22:15 mircea_popescu such a strong "we have america! in russian!" vibe these things give me
22:16 asciilifeform orcs aim to please.
22:16 asciilifeform luxor centre for malwaremen
22:16 mircea_popescu no, not that part. the "i would like to interact with bitcoin" sed lizzard, "but i am afraid contact might be transformative. wut do ?"
22:16 mircea_popescu "oh i know... have a fiat corp sell dataz about it! that'll be so still usgtronic it wikll be safe!"
22:17 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682355 << mod6 << ah ok, thx.
22:17 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 14:15 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZVgC/?raw=true << like this.
22:17 mircea_popescu all influenza victims died with antibodies in their bloodstream after all
22:17 asciilifeform ~of~
22:17 asciilifeform bonuslol.
22:17 mircea_popescu reminds me of how 90s courts wanted paper printouts of webpages as FILED EVIDENCE!
22:17 mircea_popescu maybe that'll protect them who knows
22:17 asciilifeform prolly still do.
22:18 asciilifeform ( recall lavabit )
22:18 mircea_popescu and such world of good it did them, too.
22:18 mircea_popescu thing is, if you don't like something all you really gotta do os shake head really hard and go nopenopenopenope. that's it.
22:19 asciilifeform worx better if head against the wall!111
22:19 mircea_popescu or if ass against proboscis.
22:19 trinque ah, in 2017 screenshits of your ipnoje are evidence.
22:19 mod6 asciilifeform: got it, add parts, works!
22:19 asciilifeform incidentally i always wondered if the 'rule of law' derps simply take whatever comes out of 'lexis' as authentic precedent
22:20 mircea_popescu 100%. tried and tested.
22:20 trinque gotta be screenshitted by a super cereal digital forensics guy though.
22:20 asciilifeform or insist on looking at old deadtree
22:20 asciilifeform because otherwise...
22:20 mircea_popescu average paralegal is not capable of retrieving old dead tree
22:20 mircea_popescu even if present in firm's library.
22:20 mircea_popescu also young of counsel less qualified than average paralegal in his chosen profession
22:21 mircea_popescu (it's ok though, he "does networking" and "is working on his personal brand" which is jhust as good)
22:23 asciilifeform lel
22:28 mircea_popescu and also, and this is the best part, just about 0% measurable "this is not right" in folks under 40, even when presented with egregious "subtle" changes in supposedly very well known, foundational tests.
22:28 shinohai This will be much to the chagrin of asciilifeform I suspect, but the darknet masterminds on reddit are warning of those that used "Auto Encryption" on there LOLZ http://archive.is/7gcTS
22:28 asciilifeform shinohai: wassat
22:28 mircea_popescu WILL gleefully fix grammar error and move on ; no shits given to the obvious "wait, how come there was a glaring gramatical error in supposed reference text"
22:29 shinohai asciilifeform: Appears Alpha Bay had their own Magic encryption service built-in
22:29 shinohai For those too lazy, etc.to GPG
22:30 mircea_popescu "In the first six months of 2017, AlphaBay sold more than $5 million in stolen credit-card numbers, Mr. Barysevich said. “AlphaBay was the biggest marketplace on the Dark Web,” he said."
22:30 asciilifeform shinohai: whaddayaexpect of imbeciles for whom the tor cmu thing, sr parallelcons, etc neverhappened
22:30 mircea_popescu AHAHAHAHA
22:30 mircea_popescu bwahahah oh help me rwanda.
22:31 mircea_popescu the 2017 benchmark report has online fraud at about 12% of us gdp, which is to say -- bigger than black people. twice over.
22:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile sub million/month was "the biggest" ? the biggest what, the biggest pimple on barysevich's micropenis ?
22:37 asciilifeform i suspect that most of it is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517871 .
22:37 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 18:56 asciilifeform: goes right back to the 'soooo you won't spend yer money on konsoomer crud, terrorist? we'll HELP you'
22:38 asciilifeform ( usgological 'economy' is structured so that the cc fraud is essential nutrient to it. hence the studious avoidance of anything even vaguely smelling of a final solution - e.g. genuine crypto, single-use cc #, etc )
22:39 asciilifeform ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-07#913404 )
22:39 a111 Logged on 2014-11-07 05:21 asciilifeform: likely, no 'xbox' and no actual buyer. just a sp4mz0r washing his stolen cc #s.
22:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> even the lowest javascript monkey has, say, awareness of the fact that his shitter is not plugged into the mains. and can hang a picture, change a filter, etc << No. Seriously put in some time at a hardware store. Be astounded at the idiocy.
22:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: long, long ago, i worked as a sysop, similar
22:42 asciilifeform i never saw the total blindkitten helplessness described by mircea_popescu in $thread, in a male
22:42 BingoBoingo <andreicon> but i take pride in being an above-average thinker so i'm sure i'm in the right place. just don't know why until i read the 22mn lines of logs << Recommend reading Trilema the blog from transition to English in 2012 through 2013 alongside log
22:43 asciilifeform i still remember in uni dorm, astonishment, there existed people who did not own hammer, screwdriver.
22:43 asciilifeform 0 males among these.
22:45 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/IXxJ2 << A compliment!!! "Also this bit's quite nicely phrased"
22:53 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i think BingoBoingo might have been ; and had his private chuckles hence. << Was waking up into personhood. Started exploring active involvement in BTC out of hunger around time of GLBSE explosion. Found fledgling TMSR early 2013, in time to use BitBet on SuperBowl.
22:55 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> there have been a lot of "tape painting by fake news" events like that. mtgox printing 0's, pirate going on about how "he's going to crash btc", etc. << AHA, environment easier to evaluate back then. Time from "herd u leik BTC" to MP IS RIGHT took little time to discover. Now with all the noise discovery could probably not be made blackout drunk anymore.
23:06 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: For all idiocies assorted US building codes allow, left to own devices still greater idiocies emerge organically. Like idea to replace sink S-trap pipe with wet/dry vacuum hose because "measuring and cutting plastic sounds hard, and hand tightening slip joints still harder!!!"
23:17 asciilifeform in other usefuls, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avqHf5YU11E
~ 16 minutes ~
23:33 BingoBoingo Nice
~ 19 minutes ~
23:52 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/darknet-market-alphabay-shut-down-alleged-operator-dies-in-jail-cell/ << Qntra - Darknet Market Alphabay Shut Down: Alleged Operator Dies In Jail Cell
23:56 BingoBoingo ty fxd
23:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cluelessness is not directly helplessness. the best example for this being person trying to navigate thirld world town.
23:59 mircea_popescu dumbass locals signal NOTHING.
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