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00:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...7779 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
00:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DCAB59E709E691968F4FD4810941DFFFFA0F0992F9482562E6D2362B99523B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1547...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '203.185.67.156 (ssh-rsa key from 203.185.67.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TH)
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01:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform virus does fine in "the hands" of enemy.
01:42 mircea_popescu http://www.hindustantimes.com/books/jlf-2015-bringing-a-princess-home/story-ATF1m7sCBd29UtcgnOLhhN.html << meanwhile in orange revolutions.
01:43 mircea_popescu "senior" "political analist" "on maternity leave". hurr durr etcetera, signalling up to 11 maybe 9 wasn't enough.
01:47 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo vlad tepee ? aww.
01:51 mircea_popescu for the record : it is incorrect romania had no indigenous vampire myth. the error is excusable due to the compelx circumstance : romania has TWO kinds of vampires. one is the flyer, a sort of strange beast that bothers young maidens (females only), giving them anemia and hot dreams. the other is a witch/ghost sort of item that comes out of children born with caput galeatum (caita in ro) which are improperly buried (no stake
01:51 mircea_popescu through heart and other proceedings). these will then suck the mana (life force) out of crops/cattle.
01:51 mircea_popescu so because the ro vampire idea was cleaved through the middle, separating the sexual and mystical portions into two different items it seems there's no indigenuous vampire myth.
01:51 mircea_popescu in fact, there is, it was just born with story bifida.
01:52 BingoBoingo Ah, well at least vlad tepee > jihadi peepee
01:55 mircea_popescu (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.)
02:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D66BD3E6D5843299486762685574A2B4EBE7483F4CDF685FA439CDCBC8F93B84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.25.244.209 (ssh-rsa key from 23.25.244.209 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (23-25-244-209-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US)
02:05 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D66BD3E6D5843299486762685574A2B4EBE7483F4CDF685FA439CDCBC8F93B84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1752...6829 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '23.25.244.209 (ssh-rsa key from 23.25.244.209 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (23-25-244-209-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US)
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03:01 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> (everyone else thinks caul births are a good omen. romanians, as usual, reverse.) << Perhaps it is all the sons of beggars fearing the crown?
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04:14 * mircea_popescu tried to review sherlock holmes (in the shape of 1939 piece, with b rathebone). still can't understand how anyone can like it. dude's simply an exercise in contradictorianism.
04:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dood only reigned in one of 3 principalities though.
04:27 mircea_popescu and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915
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04:35 mircea_popescu the item recurs, being seen eg in march https://pastebin.com/3DxSFArc as well as in nov past on bitcoin testnet https://archive.is/odxVd#selection-4629.0-4629.72
04:46 mircea_popescu and in unrelated random lulz : during ww1 the count of derby came up with a nutty scheme to pressure people into "volunteering" for service without actually calling a draft. in spite of involving every busybody that could be find, male and female, to pester and harass the general populace, 54% of married men and 38% of single men publicly refused to enlist thereby empirically measuring the mental power of a period wife to be
04:46 mircea_popescu worth ~half a man.
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07:41 ave1 I worked a bit on the musl ada script, it's now here: http://ave1.org/tarpit/ada-musl-cross-2017-07-24.tar.gz
07:41 ave1 It now builds the 2016 GPL version by default
07:41 ave1 I've tested it with different gnats but so far did not get the adainclude problem
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10:03 mircea_popescu !!up FUD
10:03 deedbot FUD voiced for 30 minutes.
10:04 mircea_popescu ave1 which gnats did you test ?
10:09 asciilifeform ave1: neato, i'll test this today
10:10 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690557 << dun seem like one of those magic dupe txids: it was mined on mainchain this one time
10:10 a111 Logged on 2017-07-28 08:27 mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915
10:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, in an empty block. enshrined if you will
10:12 asciilifeform lotsa empties
10:13 mircea_popescu what are we talking about here ?
10:13 asciilifeform blocks with only coinbase tx
10:13 mircea_popescu mno.
10:13 asciilifeform still an everyday thibng
10:15 mircea_popescu the topic of that line is "strange, unexplained bitfield, found unfunctionally in single tx block, and other places".
10:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689981 << lmao totally missed this.
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10:19 a111 Logged on 2017-07-25 23:58 asciilifeform: replaces all mention of trilema with 'fraudster'
10:19 mircea_popescu dorkitude's pretention to the contrary never lasts too long, or how did shakespeare put it.
10:25 mircea_popescu in other news, asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xqZ7z/?raw=true
10:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on it
10:33 mircea_popescu ah, and in other imperial lulz : ahmed ben bella, m boufiaf, ex presidents of algerian republic, as well as all sorts of algerian politicians -> prison de la sante, paris.
10:33 mircea_popescu not to mention various corsican independence "malfaiteurs" and so forth.
10:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fixed
10:36 mircea_popescu (such as colonna, more or less source of the old guy in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=un+prophete ; at his conviction in 2012 the french equivalent of a federal court gave reasoning for its sentence, for the first time in french legal practice. cuz empire wanna be part of euroland.)
10:39 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uMj94/?raw=true
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10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re the tx earlier, it seems to be a thing specific to segshitness
10:54 asciilifeform ( the op_return is somehow significant )
10:56 mircea_popescu makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it.
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10:56 asciilifeform more interestingly, the magic opreturn string seems to pop up among the ~litecoin~ derps, http://archive.is/UpWKL
10:56 mircea_popescu no, i know.
10:56 mircea_popescu various other altscams too.
10:56 asciilifeform ( grep for aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf9 )
11:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fwiw it doesn't disasm to anything interesting
11:02 mircea_popescu no, i know. it doesn't do anything interesting ; perhaps a hash of some nonsense.
11:02 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Qc0Rw/?raw=true << 'shellcode? nope, seems'
11:02 asciilifeform prolly
11:02 shinohai !~later tell jurov getting error "MPEx rejected cancellation of this order. Please retry in few minutes." on coinbr for 3 days now, please to investigate.
11:02 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
11:03 mircea_popescu shinohai looking
11:04 shinohai Oh, could be on your end? kk
11:04 mod6 asciilifeform: hmm
11:05 mircea_popescu if it keeps refusing his cancellations it can very well be.
11:13 mircea_popescu and in other maga, wisconsin agrees to pay foxconn 3bn to employ 3k local tards so trump can claim the chinos invest in the us now.
11:13 mircea_popescu this is some of the choicest lolz chop ever seen in teh field.
11:14 mircea_popescu (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.)
11:16 mod6 the first time i start to see that Null Data for the coinbase tx is on block 476`174.
11:17 mod6 ~11 days ago
11:18 mod6 but 477915 seems to be strange with that 'data_hex: aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf9' & 'script_type: null-data'
11:26 mod6 fwiw, p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C7K44/?raw=true
11:27 mod6 bah, ignore this ^
11:27 mod6 sec...
11:30 mod6 p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MRdh7/?raw=true
11:40 mod6 p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SG2rC/?raw=true
11:40 mod6 i reversed the bytes of the script ^
11:44 asciilifeform mod6: it's soup
11:44 mod6 doesnt look like much ya
11:44 mod6 enter and lcall kinda got me thinkin though
11:44 asciilifeform mod6: it's soup
11:45 mod6 i wonder wtf though 'eh?
11:45 asciilifeform mod6: familiar with what shellcode looks like ?
11:45 asciilifeform this ain't it.
11:48 mod6 Ok nevermind.
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12:10 asciilifeform !!up adlai
12:10 deedbot adlai voiced for 30 minutes.
12:11 mircea_popescu meanwhile @picnic, https://i.imgbox.com/dUjxg1Tb.jpg
12:12 adlai that transaction matches the template described here: https://archive.is/GPz8E#user-content-Commitment_structure
12:12 asciilifeform adlai: so what's it do ?
12:12 asciilifeform adlai: and why would it recur in various altcoins
12:13 adlai my guess, given that it recurs, is that it's how the commitment to an empty tree looks. what it does, is tell us that those miners are producing SW blocks but have nobody actually using SW
12:14 adlai some alts activated SW already, all the political pressure with nowhere to go in bitcoin, overflowed into, eg, litecoin
12:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690589
12:15 a111 Logged on 2017-07-28 14:56 mircea_popescu: makes it even lulzier that they had to destroy the block space to save it.
12:16 mircea_popescu FACT : the "space gain" that will be provided by "segregated witness" in its entire existence will not actually cover the full bitcoin blocks lost to date with the dicking about.
12:16 asciilifeform was anybody dumb enough to actually believe that it would ?
12:16 asciilifeform or that it has anything to do with saving space or some other vaguely constructive item
12:16 mircea_popescu marginally qntrable, if bb's short on lulz today.
12:16 asciilifeform plain ol' attack on the bitcoinicity of bitcoin.
12:17 asciilifeform 'signatures are optional nao!111'
12:17 mircea_popescu they always were.
12:17 mircea_popescu meanwhile, online commerce is ~entirely incapable to proceed with the use of credit cards.
12:17 asciilifeform well yes. but nao with magical nonprotocolic constraints on what can be mined !
12:17 mircea_popescu but are they switching to bitcoin ?
12:17 mircea_popescu oh, noes, gotta usg moar.
12:17 asciilifeform unwitnessed, or terrorism-listed tx, not mined, etc
12:18 asciilifeform this is why i still hold that the high-S thing was a victory for the enemy. 'you can make your tx, but NOBODY will mine it, and to even find out why you now need to import prbism'
12:19 asciilifeform all 'soft fork' are entirely the same thing: permissioned tx.
12:20 mircea_popescu what exactly "victory" ? for as long as ustards keep on pretending washington dc is "the capital" of some imaginary "sovereign country", they're more than welcome to... themselves... act if iti were. no more.
12:20 mircea_popescu for as long as miners mine only txn divisible by two, they're welcome to... mine them.
12:20 asciilifeform first 'divisible by two', but then 'non-terrorismlisted'.
12:21 mircea_popescu by your line of reasoning, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690577 is "some sort of victory" idem.
12:21 a111 Logged on 2017-07-28 14:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-25#1689981 << lmao totally missed this.
12:21 mircea_popescu what victory is it ?
12:21 asciilifeform 'Сегодня он играет джаз, а завтра родину продаст' (tm)(r)
12:21 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gonna argue that kako is in same category as 51% of cnminers?
12:22 mircea_popescu wrt to the item of interest ? who the fuck cares what dood writes on his website.
12:22 asciilifeform next time mircea_popescu complains re tx not being mined for no detectable reason, i'ma point him to this thread
12:22 mircea_popescu obviously not the same size of stupidity. but the same KIND. which was the point here, category.
12:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm not saying stupidity is not stupidity, you. i am saying, it is no sort of victory for the stupid.
12:23 asciilifeform in the sense where idiocy is eventually 'own punishment' - yes
12:23 mircea_popescu people gouging out their eyes to spite their nose aren't specifically winning "some kind of victory against noses"
12:23 asciilifeform but big enough idiot creates a crater , for other folx to fall into.
12:23 mircea_popescu this is how idiot craters fill, in nature.
12:24 mircea_popescu other idiots fall into, then spiders come and lay eggs, then moss eats the etc. eventually it's flat again.
12:24 mircea_popescu it's EXACTLY why you don't want to give ak to monkey, like afritard "soldiers" ; and also the whole fucking point behind http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1683142
12:24 a111 Logged on 2017-07-13 23:30 hanbot: andreicon> do share if you have link, pls >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.msg1167765
12:25 mircea_popescu thermodynamics will eventually dispose ; how about you don't give blind nature too much kinetics.
12:25 asciilifeform http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/~arb/durc/songs/ilkley.html << see also.
12:26 mircea_popescu speaking of bonnie dundee, http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/gems/lines-in-protest-to-the-dundee-magistrates
12:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the monkey kalash, alas, was a film promotion.
12:26 mircea_popescu the hot topic nation has yet to come up with an original idea.
12:26 mircea_popescu this is recurring item in african campaigns of colonial powers.
12:27 asciilifeform ah these monkeys - yes
12:30 mircea_popescu meanwhile, the bimbo body : http://68.media.tumblr.com/b49be60c43be0d617064ddd1f55d0ff6/tumblr_o3z5efr3jK1u5gkkao2_500.gif
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12:46 mircea_popescu anyway, the important, overarching point above is that the situation is not symmetrical. yes, the continued existence of the republic is, in and of itself, some kind of victory against socialism ; but no, the continued existence of socialism is no kind of victory, for it, or against the republic.
12:47 mircea_popescu the reason for the asymmetry is that socialism positively needs its unicity argument, as it has no others. without "ourdemocracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others [we're willing to consider, in a limited review intended to circularily "prove" the point]" there's no ourdemocracy.
12:47 mircea_popescu meanwhile the republic needs no such nonsense, as it prevails in the open air against the pantsuit decoctions.
12:49 mircea_popescu to remind : venice stood for a millenium. this is longer than the "thousand years reich" national-socialism managed ; it is longer than any french "republic" ever succeeded ; longer than the entire existence of the us by a factor of about three, notwithstanding the us didn't start out as a socialist state.
12:50 mircea_popescu it is, actually, about twice as long as rome stood, their idle pretense to millenarity notwithstanding.
12:52 mircea_popescu (rome became a socialist state with sulla ; or if you prefer marian reforms. this is about 4 centuries after the founding -- we're not about to credit the 750 date of the founding of the ~etruscan~ city)
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13:19 asciilifeform sounds like 'the sea wins' thread aha
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13:43 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> (for the slow of maffs and usg bureaukratura : 3bn for 3k means 1mn per head. woulda been cheaper to shoot them.) << But lulziest to en-millionaire 3 kilobodies. So many bad decisions!
13:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> marginally qntrable, if bb's short on lulz today. << Still surveying the world. Could be Qntra'd likeley a perfect fit for shinohai's WHoreticulture journal
13:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo except, of course, there's not going to be 3k enmilionaired, but a little campaign contribution for wi whatevers and a little extra propo for the bezzle fortunes of w/e the fuck is the oligarch in charge.
13:49 mircea_popescu also, mccain defected gop ticket did he
13:50 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure there are. Happens in hospital ER's across USia every day. Customer gets million dollars in credit and then ObuggeredCare
13:50 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> also, mccain defected gop ticket did he << Him AND Graham and a rotating handful of marginal Senators
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14:17 asciilifeform waiwat
14:17 asciilifeform switched parties??
14:19 BingoBoingo "Killed" obamacare repeal
14:20 BingoBoingo Gotta cement that "maverick" legacy before phylactery finally rots
14:22 asciilifeform elsewhewre in sunny monkeystan, 'A suspected bank robber, in the buff, was captured on cellphone video making a run for it in Fort Lauderdale. ... Users on social media posted video of the naked man attempting to flee. One user said the suspect was throwing out $100 and $50 bills.'
14:34 mircea_popescu "nobody bothered to pick them up, because http://trilema.com/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days yet nobody '''appears to have noticed''' this because $reasons"
14:35 asciilifeform nuffin in the beobachter re whether anyone picked up
14:35 asciilifeform ( why wouldn't they )
14:40 mircea_popescu why WOULD they.\
14:40 mircea_popescu would you ? ask around. would anyone you know ?
14:40 asciilifeform i have nfi what planet mircea_popescu is posting from
14:40 mircea_popescu so, if dude is running down the street throwing benji confeti, you pick up ?
14:41 asciilifeform possibly
14:41 mircea_popescu i tell you i dun see it, but if you say i'll beleive.
14:42 asciilifeform why, is mircea_popescu aware of a d00d who sat in jail for picking up ?
14:43 mircea_popescu not specifically.
14:48 asciilifeform i'd be curious under what article in penal code, it'd be.
14:49 asciilifeform or is it moar of a 'Докажи, что ты не верблюд!' (tm)(r).
14:49 asciilifeform ( orig.: 'Бегущего зайца спрашивают: “Куда ты, косой, бежишь? ” - “Да, говорят, что скоро верблюдов будут стричь, вот я и бегу в милицию записаться, что я - заяц”. - “Какое же тебе дело до верблюдов - ведь ты заяц?! ” - “Ну да, -
14:49 asciilifeform как схватят, да начнут стричь, - а потом доказывай, что ты не верблюд! ”')
14:50 mircea_popescu accessory after the fact ; or else obstruction of justice ; but in practice a cop will just come and steal all your shit, like the ever friendly usg-comissioner stealing bogart's money in passage to marseille.
14:51 asciilifeform 'a hare is seen running like mad, 'where are you running?' -- 'they say they'll be shaving camels soon, so i am on my way to police station, to register as a hare.' 'why do you give a damn what will happen to camels, you are a hare' 'well, they'll grab me, start shaving, then go and prove that you ain't a camel' '
14:51 mircea_popescu rather.
14:56 mircea_popescu bah, i mean "to have and have not", not passage to marseilles. apparently the cheapo war flicks are running together into one large casablanca.
15:02 mircea_popescu meanwhile in great natures, https://s23.postimg.org/3rf13ty3d/wallhaven-222467.jpg
15:02 mircea_popescu !!up ascii_wtf
15:02 deedbot ascii_wtf voiced for 30 minutes.
15:02 ascii_wtf sooo seems like my bouncer died, from magicpacket or similar
15:02 ascii_wtf ending yr or so of uptime
15:03 mircea_popescu aww
15:03 ascii_wtf zoolag ( same box ) also down until i can physically get to where it lives.
15:04 ascii_wtf ( monday or tues at the earliest. )
15:04 mircea_popescu maybe the fans fibally got clogged in dust
15:04 ascii_wtf fanless machine
15:05 mircea_popescu a
15:06 BingoBoingo Fins covered in dust?
15:07 ascii_wtf not as of last wk
15:16 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/arachnofobia-inductor/ << Trilema - Arachnofobia inductor
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15:36 ag3nt_zer0 greetings TMSR
15:41 ag3nt_zer0 perhaps its out of my current range of understanding, but might someone point me in the direction that I may grasp how the hell a keypair created on an airgapped computer has relevance in the actual online network...? Applied Cryptography (blue) is en route so perhaps that will help but in meantime thought I would ask here as no luck with searches - don't even know what terms would bring that up...
15:43 asciilifeform what means 'has relevance in the actual online network' ??
15:44 phf i think the question is "how is that i can generate a wallet offline/airgapped without telling anyone, but then it magically works on real network"
15:44 ag3nt_zer0 I guess my lame-o speculation is that a keypair somehow needs to have access to the network to "exist"
15:44 asciilifeform WHY?!
15:44 asciilifeform can exist on paper
15:44 asciilifeform or anywhere
15:44 asciilifeform does the number 7 need 'access to network' in order to 'exist' ?!
15:44 phf presumably the answer is "you make it exist by spending to a public key"
15:48 phf (and until you do its nature as a wallet can be debated philosophically. i think majority of tmsr is platonists, so there exists an infinitive number of wallets to which you can spend whether or not anyone has possession of them. you can though discover a wallet through the process of key generation)
15:48 asciilifeform phf: it wasn't clear to me that he was discussing bitcoin
15:48 phf i think it's a continuation of his "how do i keep my coins safe without running full node" question
15:49 asciilifeform ( he mentioned 'applied crypto' which is a schoolbook that pre-dates subj, for instance)
15:49 ag3nt_zer0 phf is this so because there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key, no matter whether created on mars in the sand or in the computer on earth?
15:49 ag3nt_zer0 because mathematics is absolute? or this math is?
15:49 asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: in a well-designed public key cryptosystem -- yes
15:49 asciilifeform in a boobytrapped system - potentially 2, 3, infinity keys
15:51 ag3nt_zer0 ok thanks... hmmm since you just indicated that applied crypto predates and answer to this question might you have anything to recommend off the top of your head for reading that I might get a more sturdy conceptual footing here?
15:51 ag3nt_zer0 predates an answer
15:54 asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: try to formulate more exactly what it is you are interested in finding out
15:55 phf i've not actually read applied cryptography but if it has a section on public key cryptography it should demonstrate the "there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key", but i guess in order to have certainty about the mechanism you should be reading books on number theory
15:56 asciilifeform phf: this is true re rsa but potentially false re ecc
15:56 phf i don't understand ecc :(
15:57 phf i make periodic attempts at it every once in a while, and every time i have to go further back in my mathematics education
15:58 asciilifeform phf: same
15:58 asciilifeform i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~
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15:58 asciilifeform at least by anyone who publicly documented.
15:58 asciilifeform it is voodoo.
15:58 ag3nt_zer0 hmmmm ok phf and asciilifeform thanks very much... I am thinking I don't even know what a computer is, philosophically... not grokking the fundamentals of LOGIC and physics - fish in water... what the hell IS a computer I guess I need to find out
15:59 asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: player piano with a conditional reverse gear
15:59 asciilifeform ^ would have made sense to, e.g., mark twain.
15:59 ag3nt_zer0 hehe
16:03 ag3nt_zer0 anyone know of a good, or the good, metaphysics of computers or computation book?
16:06 BingoBoingo Perhaps start with Aristotle's Physics?
16:07 phf oh i was just taking a piss, because of asciilifeform's reaction. i don't think you have to go esoteric. i don't know of any books, but early lisp related research had plenty of "metaphysics of computing" papers of varied quality that will probably be easily demolished by any real philosopher. i don't know your level of knowledge but perhaps a "introduction to programming" book would do
16:08 phf for example https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html is a classic book on the subject
16:09 ag3nt_zer0 BingoBoingo, phf thanks
16:10 phf besides applied cryptography comes with C examples and to presupposes all kinds of knowledge that you probably don't have. since you already ordered it, and was planning on going through it, do so, and that'll show you where you might need to go from there
16:12 phf (it will not be a waste to do so; an alternative reading suggestion will only be necessary if applied crypto is too dense and you're too lazy/undisciplined to fully commit to it)
16:15 ag3nt_zer0 phf ok sounds good thx again...
16:15 ag3nt_zer0 heh this reminds me of TMSR: "E.W. Dijkstra who suggested IT companies not to hire programmers without a suitable knowledge in Latin."
16:16 ag3nt_zer0 from: http://www.mathema.com/philosophy/metafisica/is-metaphysics-relevant-to-computer-science/
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16:44 ag3nt_zer0 and this is an excellent album imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMfZPAc1kg&list=PLvAMs0JjDSO6GOR6VGbSVA3VbKKQQmAIU
16:51 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/california-has-a-weed-problem/ << Qntra - California Has A Weed Problem
16:57 ag3nt_zer0 can't even name a favorite track on that album - but a number of them are just incredible examples of his maturing skills and mastery of his niche... after listening to this album on repeat for the last two years I was totally shocked at the suicide news - made zero sense to me... it's a bit disconcerting to see those who helped inspire me to try to live a purposeful and meaningful life offing themselves
17:03 mircea_popescu this has been a weird read.
17:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690752 << i thought this was the basic agreement.
17:05 a111 Logged on 2017-07-28 19:58 asciilifeform: i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~
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17:58 BingoBoingo !!up geekshop
17:58 deedbot geekshop voiced for 30 minutes.
17:58 BingoBoingo geekshop: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?
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18:26 shinohai In Roger Ver whining over lost monies deja vu's: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/891059229632614400
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19:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/trumps-grand-old-purge-continues-establishment-legacy-appointee-priebus-out/ << Qntra - Trump's Grand Old Purge Continues: Establishment Legacy Appointee Priebus Out
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21:56 mircea_popescu in other lulz, russia is confiscating us real estate in moscow in retaliation to us confiscating ru property in dc.
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23:08 mircea_popescu !!up bb5656
23:08 deedbot bb5656 voiced for 30 minutes.
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