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00:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...5569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.89.201.250 (ssh-rsa key from 94.89.201.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
00:42 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...8389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.89.201.250 (ssh-rsa key from 94.89.201.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
00:44 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/07/drama-heats-up-as-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-prepare-for-next-round-of-fork-failures/ << Qntra - Drama Heats Up As fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Prepare For Next Round Of Fork Failures
00:46 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo irl, the "exchanges" were used to try and pop the "bitcoin bubble" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ; as a result they're trading while insolvent (on the btc side).
00:46 a111 Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
00:46 mircea_popescu ie, usg attempting to fight bitcoin with ether will result in usg "bitcoin" exchanges bubble popping instead.
00:47 mircea_popescu at this point 50-50 odds they'll manage to scare up the funds necessary to keep the charade going a little longer
00:48 BingoBoingo Well, gotta cover the frog boiling and insert the rock hard truth when it's raep
00:48 mircea_popescu but yes, the grand plan for june was "bitcoin prices drop while ethereum to the moon". it worked as well as the "liberation" of some town of a name i meanwhile forgot it was so long.
00:48 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeh, just sayin' for teh eternal records.
00:49 BingoBoingo And it helps to link to the linking to later for our good friend Maxwell Lulz esq.
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02:12 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
02:12 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2314.0, vol: 16969.47568326 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2281.178, vol: 6387.34062 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2282.5, vol: 31624.53370966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2407.71153, vol: 10125.85840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2311.867, vol: 9430.07842065 | Volume-weighted last average: 2310.28343355
02:21 mircea_popescu meanwhile indoors, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bba3fa3749da183991fa43cfc6adef43/tumblr_on0z0ruzWx1suxmvuo3_1280.jpg
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03:46 mircea_popescu !!up Derrick[afk]
03:46 deedbot Derrick[afk] voiced for 30 minutes.
03:46 mircea_popescu who might you be ?
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05:10 sina I just popped in to complain about this thing and I feel like nobody else I know will understand
05:10 mircea_popescu what thing
05:10 sina https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/07/11/meshcommander-firmware-web-application << "Starting with Intel AMT 11, you can now upload a web application into the firmware that will replace the built-in index.htm page. This is super useful because you can upload a fairly complete Intel AMT management console into the firmware and access it using a browser. "
05:11 mircea_popescu bwahaha
05:11 sina makes me feel, so tired.
05:11 sina anyway, hi and all that
05:11 sina I have been watching the logs, interesting discussions
05:12 mircea_popescu "this is super useful for any definition of useful that reduces to utterly fucktarded."
05:12 mircea_popescu do you see what kinds and pluralities of problems oyu cause ? do you ? DO YOU ???
05:13 sina mircea_popescu: you made me feel better
05:13 sina I am imagining you shaking the guy who wrote that blog by the shoulders and screaming DO YOU in his face
05:13 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-09#750231
05:13 a111 Logged on 2014-07-09 01:40 indiancandy1: mircea im in love with you
05:17 sina phf: are you about?
05:19 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679224 << I dunno what "dat" constitutes in this case, but you can pass in any data just by the line "M := toBinArray(*message)" and sub out *message for dat
05:19 a111 Logged on 2017-07-05 15:50 phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
05:21 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
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05:21 a111 Logged on 2017-07-08 20:13 trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across the network.
05:27 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681116 << AFAIK there are only three methods of handling this, either read header bytes which specify how many bytes to read, or read until a newline-type char or read a fixed number of bytes. would be interested in discussing that further if others know of better ways to handle, it's an interesting problem. I guess reading a fix number of bytes is preferable.
05:27 a111 Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
05:39 sina another random thing I made https://github.com/sinner-/tinykv
05:39 sina it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
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05:39 sina in golang :D
05:39 mircea_popescu the advantage of cryptography is that you can say "all messages are 64kb" or w/e.
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09:23 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'
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09:23 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 09:21 sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
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09:44 shinohai "Hey my new Windows 10 install isn't bloated enough, any fix for that?" http://archive.is/CqOVm
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10:30 asciilifeform '...a barebone Ubuntu operating system that runs under the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), which is mainly targeted at developers who don't want to build a dual-boot machine running both Windows 10 and the latest Ubuntu Linux release.' lol
10:32 shinohai Still conveniently runs *everything* as suid 0, last time I checked.
10:33 asciilifeform i liked cygwin moar
10:33 asciilifeform ( when was stuck in winblowz salt mine )
10:33 asciilifeform even built x11 for it
10:33 asciilifeform practically ~indistinguishable from human os , when in fullscreen
10:34 asciilifeform had 'ratpoison', proper emacs, sbcl, gcc, whole shebang
10:35 asciilifeform would build unmodified sources for whatever.
10:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681859 << from my pov this proggy dun actually ~do~ anything other than being a skin on top of google's libs
10:37 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 09:39 sina: it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
10:38 asciilifeform so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
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10:38 asciilifeform like the thing nvidia ships with its turdballs.
10:40 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681862 << lol, and if I squint hard enough she's as good as female!
10:40 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'
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11:57 shinohai !~ticker --market all
11:57 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2371.23, vol: 12839.02311130 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2333.999, vol: 4399.06916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2344.8, vol: 22652.8201857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2459.911473, vol: 7817.56330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2372.506, vol: 7636.48223221 | Volume-weighted last average: 2370.15531129
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12:31 shinohai http://archive.is/ZUBhq <<< In historical garage-sale finds ....
12:35 asciilifeform lol the original 'get them idiot orcses usin' diddled crypto' nsavictory
12:36 asciilifeform in other lulz from same rag, https://archive.is/18o6r
12:36 mod6 mornin'
12:36 asciilifeform 'A former judge who played a leading part in one of France's biggest murder inquiries has been found dead at home with a plastic bag over his head.'
12:36 mircea_popescu hey.
12:36 asciilifeform heya mod6 mircea_popescu
12:37 mod6 :] Gentlemen.
12:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dun worry alf, momstate's on top of things an' relevant an' errything.
12:37 mod6 Pantsuits. On scene.
12:40 asciilifeform everybody laughs at the french, but when's the last time somebody solved american judge
12:40 mircea_popescu this spring iirc.
12:41 asciilifeform dun seem to have made it into tehl0gz
12:41 asciilifeform or wait !
12:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642888 << foundit
12:42 a111 Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
12:50 BingoBoingo <mod6> Pantsuits. On scene. << Pantsuit, now with 50% more elastic for FUPA security
12:51 mod6 DONT DELAY! SECURE YOUR FUPA TODAY!
12:54 mod6 I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like sword & axe time.
12:54 asciilifeform so far, only mop and bucket time.
13:01 mircea_popescu these dorks.
13:01 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
13:01 mircea_popescu they're forking the etherwebs over there. plox care.
13:02 mircea_popescu all the teams sucked this superbowl so please focus all discussion on some aging mulatto's nipple slip ty.
13:02 mircea_popescu do your part to keep america relevant, soviet.
13:03 asciilifeform >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << oblig lul
13:16 mod6 hook me up with some of dat blogger speed yoh
13:21 mod6 so one day, i did do a test of ent with like ~1gb worth of '1's in a file just to see if the testing tool would hork.
13:22 mod6 indeed, did fail with some resonably expected outputs from each test. i'll have to try it again with doing like 100 consecutive 1's per Mb.
13:22 mod6 see if I can sneak one past the golie.
13:22 mod6 *goalie
13:23 mod6 The Chi^2 test should be interesting to see what percentile it falls into and weather this butts up against Knuth's "suspicious" boundary.
13:26 mod6 ahem. *whether.
13:27 mod6 If my keyboard would zap me everytime I misspelled a word, I'd like to think that I'd refrain.
13:28 mod6 *que image of leads on balls*
13:29 BingoBoingo You might refrain, lesser homo spaiens may end up freed when their balls decay to the point the leads are no longer attached
13:30 mod6 Heh, maybe.
13:32 BingoBoingo To find the answer we, in the tradition of our peoples, must consult the ever informative mengele files
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14:25 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681775 << i'm happy to configure donated hardware to be useful to the republic; if machines need a home i can arrange for that as well
14:25 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 03:15 mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the suggestion, I shall think on it.
14:34 mod6 Thanks ben_vulpes!
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14:53 mod6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H09gvuJplpg << :D
14:54 mircea_popescu "But the real morals of the story is that one must be able to employ every little part of the animal you kill, like the man does… so that womenz can stuff that many more people into thje same fucking acre. won't you be happy then!"
14:55 asciilifeform no 'so', causes not purposes!11
14:55 mircea_popescu song. instrument of the purposuit crowd.
14:55 asciilifeform instrument of all living things.
14:56 mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
14:56 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the song, you mean ? or the spurious reinterpretation into "moral" ?
14:56 asciilifeform song, in general
14:56 mircea_popescu sure.
14:57 asciilifeform mod6 et al : moar gnatology for fun an' profit : add -S -fverbose-asm to your -cargs to replace .o output with readable asmolade
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14:57 mod6 sweet
14:57 asciilifeform ( sadly heathen gas syntax. currently i do not know if this can be changed to godly nasm )
14:58 mod6 bah. i like gas!
14:58 asciilifeform try writing it sometime. that'll cureya
14:58 mod6 i totally have.
14:58 mod6 reminds me of perl maybe. lol
14:58 * mod6 runs
14:58 asciilifeform lol
14:59 mircea_popescu and in other emergencies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4eb71c0bcec1be3d68d6ecb35cb8cd12/tumblr_ohzxwrQ4yb1vm0vvfo1_400.gif
14:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-11#1681555
14:59 a111 Logged on 2017-07-11 22:02 mircea_popescu: every stroke is precious, every stroke is good
15:08 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/love-in-an-elevator/ << Trilema - Love in an elevator
15:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681875 << this is actually a pretty strong line of argument. "not the work of a programmer, but the work of a designer."
15:10 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 14:38 asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
15:13 asciilifeform the work of a d00d who spraypaints gusts of flame onto toyota to 'make race car'
15:15 mod6 hey, it makes it faster
15:15 asciilifeform vrooom.
15:27 mircea_popescu in other not-rly-lulz, global warming or no, it is definitely A LOT rainier in costa rica than it was 10-15 years ago
15:27 mircea_popescu 3x sorta thing.
15:36 mod6 related to this, it had seemed to me that since i've moved back to mn, we've gotten a lot less snow than what i remember as a kid in the 80s.
15:36 mircea_popescu well, you're welcome to take all this water back any time.
15:36 mod6 but this chart seems to indicate that during the 60s-mid-80s we had higher-than-normal snowfall over the interval: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mspsnow2.jpg
15:37 mircea_popescu i expect i have seen 5 to 10k hours of solid tropical rain the past three months.
15:37 mod6 it does seem, aside from this year, that we have gotten more rain recently.
15:37 mod6 here's the precipitation chart: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MSPPRCP.gif
15:37 mircea_popescu wp-content eh!
15:38 jurov https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1707/1707.01204.pdf human computation password schemes, one-way functions, PRNGs
15:39 jurov maybe some useful bits but rather underwhelming paper
15:39 asciilifeform 'Specifically, we restrict supercomputer adversaries to at most 1024 (Avogadro’s number) steps' << wai
15:39 asciilifeform 10^24
15:40 mircea_popescu the model is bullshit.
15:40 mircea_popescu human "computation" is not functional.
15:40 asciilifeform 'Why this particular number? The intent here is to have as example a SPECIFIC MEMORABLE number (in this case, Avogadro’s number) that is roughly the minimum size sufficient to keep adversaries at bay – adversaries that have a week’s time on the fastest 2016-17 supercomputer, which in January 2017 can do 1017 petaflops/sec = 6x10^22 flops/week. In general, the specific number will depend on current technology.'
15:41 asciilifeform it limps on 1st page.
15:41 * asciilifeform reads on..
15:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and predictably they've no idea what "a step" is./
15:42 mircea_popescu anyway : ready way to blow this out of water. human can compute mpfhf by hand ; not reversable.
15:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: subj is about 'compute in their heads'
15:42 asciilifeform not paper.
15:42 asciilifeform 1st sentence.
15:42 mircea_popescu people don't fucking compute in their heads.
15:43 asciilifeform i can run x86 binary on paper, and so can whoever, it ain't interesting.
15:43 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/princessparty/
15:43 mircea_popescu this is like people frustrated they can't make airplanes, deciding to create a "through-wall bird model of flight", proceeding to prove birds don't "fly" in the sense of, "through walls".
15:43 mircea_popescu got little bird cannons and erry thing, bird firing range, variety of "Standard" walls, brick, whatever.
15:43 mircea_popescu wtf is this idiocy.
15:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mnemonists, various stage magicians, computed respectably long arithmetizations in heads. but this d00d seems to concern with 'people'
15:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have a whole gallery of mostly females that swallowed long silicone strands "in their head"
15:44 mircea_popescu wtf is that to do with anything, above and beyond "our ai consists of think()" ?
15:44 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/flanks/
15:45 mircea_popescu whole fucking point of human brain is to avoid the walls of computation.
15:45 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/flanks/2/
15:45 mircea_popescu !#s two calorie dragonfly
15:45 a111 0 results for "two calorie dragonfly", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=two%20calorie%20dragonfly
15:45 mircea_popescu yeah well, the discussion's in there.
15:45 BingoBoingo http://oglaf.com/pirated/
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15:47 mod6 lel, the trackless wastes one is pretty good.
15:50 asciilifeform gotta say it, the 'human functions' thing is a sphericalhorse snoar.
15:51 mircea_popescu if it were fucking functional, it'd have been done in the 60s already.
15:51 asciilifeform and clearly written by someone entirely innocent of mnemonist art
15:51 mircea_popescu not like much brighter minds than these two belated if unemployagble schmucks TRIED THAT TO DEATH
15:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform clearly written by someone entirely inncoent of anything beyond reddit and lolpics.com
15:51 asciilifeform blum ain't a redditus
15:52 asciilifeform though i have nfi who vempala is
15:52 asciilifeform sounds like an untouchable servant
15:52 asciilifeform ( or politruk.. )
15:53 mircea_popescu here, live and for the first time in the world, i give you the manuel blum & santosh vempala silicone model of brain computation : https://68.media.tumblr.com/45271fd5a728dffd2aff8ec6e37e12ab/tumblr_nnztkqVQlT1untuzto1_400.gif
15:53 mircea_popescu i figured it out with my functional breadbox
15:53 asciilifeform ( same blum as in blum-blum-shub )
15:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform takes a year to make a wine cask, and five minutes to take a piss in it.
15:54 asciilifeform lol swordswallower
15:55 mircea_popescu IT GOEs IN HER HEAD!!!!1
15:55 mircea_popescu "yeah but it also misses the point" "WE ARE THE EMPIRE OF MISSING THE POINT!!!"
15:56 asciilifeform 'Штирлицу выстрелили в голову. "Разрывная"- подумал он пораскинув мозгами.'
15:57 asciilifeform ( approx. ~= 'stierlitz (hero of '17 moments of spring') takes a bullet in the head. 'it's a dumdum', thought stierlitz, scatter-brained' )
15:57 phf (how apropos, i'm about to embark on 17 moments of spring watch through with girl)
15:58 mod6 i want google to tell me if my pw is 100% kthxbye!
15:59 phf tmsr did it first, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590352
15:59 a111 Logged on 2016-12-24 23:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590325 << your password is now TMSR Safe(tm) certified. we have analyzed your password using stochastic gradient reduction methods(tm) that have determined that your password is safe from hackers. we recommend changing your existing passwords that are not TMSR Safe(tm) to your new TMSR Safe(tm) password. Ask our representative about helpful tips: how to change your Pretty Good Privacy password to TMSR
16:00 mod6 merry xmas eh
16:00 mircea_popescu :p
16:02 mod6 <+asciilifeform> lol swordswallower << not bad, but not as good as the two from Monday!
16:07 phf asciilifeform: you might find this entertaining, http://flibusta.is/b/426177/read (also nerfed version, but i didn't compare http://flibusta.is/b/352948/read)
16:08 mod6 http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-7-8#4f359a25-2b0f-49f6-a1aa-0ae5c6488ddb << christ, was on saturday
16:09 phf "Свершилось. ПРИШЛИ НЕМЦЫ! Сначала было трудно поверить. Вылезли мы из щели и видим – идут два настоящих немецких солдата. Все бросились к ним." etc.
16:13 asciilifeform phf: ty. as it happens i just finished http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/miheenkov_se05/index.html
16:13 * asciilifeform chronic eater of more or less everything on that w4r3z
16:13 phf neat
16:15 asciilifeform from phf's link, 'Бомбят, а нам не страшно. Бомбы-то освободительные. И так думают и чувствуют все. Никто не боится бомб.' mighty lulzy
16:15 asciilifeform evidently these are the very same famous chix who lined up for the hairdressers because 'germans soon'
16:16 asciilifeform 'Кто такая Л. Осипова конкретно, я не знаю (да и зачем?). Судя по дневникам, яркая (и ярая) представительница 'русской интеллигенции» 10-х годов прошлого века, метко охарактеризованной Ильичом (не касается интеллигенции вообще). 'Немцы-освободи
16:16 asciilifeform тели», 'освободительные бомбы», 'друзья из СД» и пр., пр., пр. Ко 22-му июня Осипова — оголтелая ненавистница советского строя, истово жаждущая прихода немцев, чтоб они всех 'освободили». Несмотря на тяготы и лишения военного времени, Осипова
16:16 asciilifeform ни разу не усомнилась в гнусности предыдущей советской жизни. В дневнике встречаются изумительнейшие повремённые жемчужины! ' << review elsewhere
16:17 mod6 all i see is unicode
16:17 mircea_popescu russkiwank
16:17 asciilifeform '... going by the diaries, a bright and eager exemplar of 'russian intelligentsia' of the 10s of the last century... 'german liberators', 'liberation bombs', 'friends from the sd', etc '
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: vintage wank
16:21 asciilifeform phf: that thing is a riot !
16:21 asciilifeform i wonder if there's a pantsuit translation
16:25 mod6 http://www.engrish.com/2013/09/im-bubble-tea/
16:26 mod6 heeey, wb
16:28 shinohai Hold up chicken-scratch behind Janet Yellen, reddit goes apeshit and send you free coin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEjurnSV0AA_gH4.jpg
16:28 shinohai I'm in the wrong fucking business.
16:28 asciilifeform shinohai: wat am i looking at
16:29 shinohai asciilifeform: A donation addy made for this guy: http://archive.is/TaCeC
16:29 mod6 i posted the vid earlier
16:29 asciilifeform i saw the film
16:29 asciilifeform did not see a btc addr in it
16:30 asciilifeform so what means 'for' ?
16:30 asciilifeform is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?
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16:32 diana_coman mod6, thanks!
16:33 shinohai Supposedly the "for" is Alan Shillbert setting up tipjr for him cuz "he dun wanna b doxxed"
16:34 asciilifeform shinohai: i said this before, and will say again, vodka is better than reddit any day and hour of the week
16:34 asciilifeform shinohai: reading redditisms is the direct intellectual equivalent of sniffing glue.
16:35 asciilifeform it's got 0 up-side.
16:36 shinohai I have my reasons.
16:40 mod6 Back in the day some guy wandered in here and got 10 btc for sharpie in pooper.
16:40 shinohai lol
16:44 jhvh1 Man must not live on reddit alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of alf ... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682044
16:45 mircea_popescu did silbert's pooper get 10 btc together yet ?
16:46 asciilifeform lol shinohai
16:59 BingoBoingo At this point alf is prolly moar the religous hard liner than danielpbarron
17:01 mod6 naw, but alf has seen a lot of atrocities, and therefor has some axioms about things.
17:02 BingoBoingo Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
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17:03 * asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
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17:03 BingoBoingo Well, weaponized story...
17:09 BingoBoingo Breaking News: Numerous Casualties Result From Chemical Weapons attack by TMSR Lord
17:10 BingoBoingo In response to the kleptocratic aggressions and vandalism against his tomatoes, TMSR Lord BingoBoingo deployed the organophosphate nerve agent carbaryl against the evil Stink Bug order 'Pentatomidae.' The casualties will likely never be counted, but an estimated "dozen or so" stink bugs are dead or actively dying at the time of this writing. Civilian casualties among untargeted insects as a result of the TMSR Lord's chemical weapons use
17:10 BingoBoingo are estimated to exceed one hundred thousand.
17:10 BingoBoingo ^ In the collateral damage files
17:13 mod6 i love the smell of organophosphate in the morning
17:14 shinohai Speaking of devices to eradicate vermin: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1499889865922.jpg
17:18 BingoBoingo lol shinohai
17:18 mod6 that looks pretty good there ya.
17:19 mod6 fuggin captchas
17:19 mod6 JUST LET ME SEE THE FUCKING JPG
17:19 mod6 shit is gonna give me a stroke one of these times.
17:23 asciilifeform pictured subj actually does not work reliably
17:24 asciilifeform rat knows how to 'see' electric field
17:24 asciilifeform proper murine electric chair works differently. switches on the hv after low-voltage conductivity sensor (use 2 transistors in the kindergarten scheme) closes.
17:25 mod6 ah
17:26 mod6 i thought it was just a creative fly swatter
17:26 asciilifeform mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt
17:26 asciilifeform ( 2 wires on the iron floor, 1 in the air with bait )
17:26 asciilifeform ideally you also want some provision for switching ~off~ the current. or at least something reasonably fireproof beneath.
17:30 asciilifeform in usa there are off-the-shelf electric rat zappers, they work ok, but difficult to clean on account of idiotic 'childproof' construction.
17:31 mod6 everything is child-proof. don't get me started about the soviet gas can.
17:32 asciilifeform funnily enough actual soviet gas can was a 100% solid clone of the german one, probably to this day made in ru
17:32 asciilifeform indestructible, steel
17:33 asciilifeform https://a.d-cd.net/b7539du-960.jpg << subj
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17:34 asciilifeform well, progenitor of subj.
17:36 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt << I thought it was for chihuahuas
17:36 mod6 ya, those actually seem "great" compared to this pos: http://ec-i21.geccdn.net/site/images/177x177/30860144.jpg
17:37 mod6 they have this frickin lock/unlock "spill proof" neck on them. that i have to simply discard cause i can't figure out how to use it.
17:37 asciilifeform mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also
17:37 mod6 now i just pour out the normal widemouth with a funnel. spill gas everywhere.
17:37 asciilifeform locks ~closes~ forever
17:37 mod6 eat my dick epa.
17:38 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also << for sure. sad.
17:39 BingoBoingo There's a "trigger activated" variety that sucks a bit less. Prolly best to make the jump to https://archive.is/FUoB6
17:39 BingoBoingo essentially widemouth with attached funnel
17:40 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: last i saw, you can still get blackmarket traditional 'jerry can'.
17:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not really blackmarket
17:40 asciilifeform forget the 'modern' rubbish.
17:40 mod6 ya, that doesnt look as bad. i could go on for hours. how the government complicates how i pour liquid out of a container.
17:40 asciilifeform mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work
17:41 asciilifeform 'will they swallow this or finally hang us' 'they swallowed it' 'GREAT! let's obummercare some moar'
17:42 asciilifeform iirc over in the heathen huts they call this stratagem 'shit test'
17:43 mod6 can't argue with that.
17:44 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work << Not like pantsuit gets to interact with men anyother way
17:47 BingoBoingo Anyways, the Obama-can rules don't appear to apply to metal "safety" containers
17:48 BingoBoingo Serious conspiracy by "big gascan"
17:48 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not that you can actually buy those in a civilian shop
17:48 BingoBoingo What do you mean "not in a civilian shop"?
17:48 asciilifeform this is like the opterons thread all over again.
17:49 asciilifeform asciilifeform could tell you where to get a opteron, or a dozen. but not where to get 10,000 by august.
17:49 asciilifeform or next august.
17:58 BingoBoingo This is pointedly no opteron thread. 10,000 could likely be had by late September and $maxint certainly had by next August
~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~
19:20 ben_vulpes mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay'
19:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: opterons too
19:30 ben_vulpes mm
~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~
20:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682055 << i actually spent a minute trying to trace the etymology of "parabel" until finally figured out wtf it is.
20:44 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 21:02 BingoBoingo: Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
20:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682056 << then i moved to next line in logs, noticed it's actually a tmsr-caltrop this thing
20:45 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 21:03 asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
20:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682081 << funny, just mentioned this today. anyway, bog standard jerry can. patent prolly held by us 1900s car co.
20:49 a111 Logged on 2017-07-12 21:33 asciilifeform: https://a.d-cd.net/b7539du-960.jpg << subj
20:51 mircea_popescu ah as it turns out, it's actually wehrmacht-einheitskannister. nazi invention.
21:03 asciilifeform and great invention.
21:03 asciilifeform literally unimprovable imho.
21:07 asciilifeform 'jerry' incidentally is a hint: it was unknown in english world prior to ww2
21:11 asciilifeform ( what did they use? the pieces of shit that need funnels )
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22:03 mod6 <+ben_vulpes> mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay' << werd
22:09 mircea_popescu krautzes actually had emptying duration specifications and shit.
22:16 mod6 i gotta get one and try it out
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22:39 asciilifeform not just 'emptying durations', whole thing was actually thought through -- could be carried by 1 or 2, 1 man can comfortably lift 2 full or 4 empties; they stacked; allowed for thermal expand; would float in the sea, even if full; etc
22:39 mircea_popescu aha
22:40 asciilifeform exactly the kind of 'unsexy' great engineering that adds up to a working tech civilization.
22:40 mircea_popescu well, to a nazi empire at least.
22:40 asciilifeform to all modern armies.
22:41 mircea_popescu if you find anything that works in an us army item, let me know.
22:41 asciilifeform the humble jerry can.
22:41 asciilifeform works.
22:41 asciilifeform ( for nao !! )
22:41 mircea_popescu they no longer use it
22:41 trinque they replaced it
22:41 trinque ha
22:41 mircea_popescu was army spec, got obsoleted.
22:41 asciilifeform did they? with what ?
22:41 trinque with an idiot plastic thing
22:41 mircea_popescu plastic.
22:41 asciilifeform lol!
22:41 mircea_popescu oya.
22:41 asciilifeform iirc nato spec still iron
22:41 mircea_popescu it is, get this, more envirowhiny er
22:42 asciilifeform nuts.
22:42 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nato doesn't have a spec. for anything. look you it up.
22:42 asciilifeform these folks are tired of living, ain't they.
22:42 mircea_popescu very.
22:44 * asciilifeform still finds it strange that american drivers dun have 2 full jerry cans in their trunk at all times
22:44 asciilifeform why let the empty space go to waste!11
22:44 mircea_popescu also space station ?
22:45 asciilifeform waiwat
22:45 mircea_popescu space in vehicle is never empty empty.
22:45 mircea_popescu anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e.
22:45 mircea_popescu terroarism
22:45 asciilifeform now this is true, have you met these folx? picture 100kg of plastic 'food' wrappers etc
22:46 asciilifeform in a 2door auto.
22:47 asciilifeform stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here.
22:47 mircea_popescu motorized dumpster!
22:52 asciilifeform oblig jerry can : https://youtu.be/zYIaDYRipoM?t=57m27s (5m or so)
22:53 asciilifeform (eng subs work)
22:57 mircea_popescu incidentally, the impact of tech still lingers. for eg : my bmw tank actually is 2 cans.
22:57 asciilifeform sounds small
22:58 asciilifeform 20 L ??
22:58 mircea_popescu 43 or so.
22:58 asciilifeform that's 4+
22:58 mircea_popescu 4.
22:58 * mircea_popescu is fixated on the 20l ro version for some reason\
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23:36 mod6 <+asciilifeform> stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here. << lol so true!
23:36 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> very. << indeed
23:37 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e. << yeah, you'd think that they'd encourage people to not run out of gas, but nope. in fact, it is highly illegal to run out of gas on the freeway.
23:40 mod6 fineable offence. if your wheels fall off, and you come to a grinding halt. no big deal. you may just have to pay for the towtruck. but no fine. run out of gas (preventable), hefty fine.
23:41 mircea_popescu wtf just get off and refill
23:41 mircea_popescu light is set to go off liters before actually out
23:41 mod6 "E stands for ``enough''"
23:41 mircea_popescu lol
23:41 mod6 another national sport of kinds
23:42 mircea_popescu tank of gas = 35k colones = 70bux. comida india = 60k or so colones. etc.
23:42 mod6 yeah, here it's $2.20/gal. takes me ~$60 to fill up the burby.
23:43 mircea_popescu o i know. everyone else pays two bux a liter ; except the "enviro conscious" usians, they pay 0.5 a liter.\
23:43 mod6 but not a week goes by that some fuckstick isn't standing in line to get $1 worth of gas. aka, fart into his tank.
23:45 mircea_popescu richest country in the world, could buy apple.
23:45 mod6 which is not a crime, but jesus, maybe get at least enough to not run out 3 blocks after you leave the gas station.
23:45 mod6 lol, bingo.
23:45 asciilifeform mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ?
23:46 mircea_popescu 1L
23:46 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ? << Cut your number of wheels in half
23:46 mod6 basically. they go inside, throw the jockey some change, and then pump ~.4 gals
23:46 mod6 it boggles the mind.
23:46 mircea_popescu i wonder how the lube job goes.
23:47 mircea_popescu "today, we're only changing the top can of oil"
23:47 mod6 BingoBoingo makes a good point. even the motorcycles get more.
23:47 asciilifeform mod6: why to do this?!
23:47 mod6 beyond my imagination.
23:48 mod6 lol, actually. no.
23:48 mod6 they get an $8.50 pack of cigs, and $1 of gas.
23:48 mod6 cigs, gotta have those. NO MATTER WHAT.
23:48 mod6 don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets.
23:48 asciilifeform why not sell the auto then. think how much tobacco it'd buy
23:49 mircea_popescu i imagine not owned outright
23:49 mod6 couldnt possibly be. somehow scammed lender.
23:49 BingoBoingo <mod6> don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets. << BUT ELLIOT!!!
23:49 mod6 "have job; professional blogger"
23:50 mod6 "even have blogger internet speed!"
23:50 mod6 haha
23:51 mod6 the worst part about the lotto tickets people, is they buy them, then more often than not (it seems like), insist on scratching them off right there and then.
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23:51 mod6 WHILE YOU WAIT BEHIND THEM!
23:51 mod6 savages.
23:51 mircea_popescu do the various "states" / scams still actually pay anything on those ?
23:52 mircea_popescu iirc ill-inois gave up all pretense
23:52 asciilifeform i thought the whole point of lotto is to walk around with the 'schrodinger' ticker, picture bathtubs of money etc
23:52 BingoBoingo Illinois apparently went back to paying lottery, giving up on paying anything else
23:52 mod6 apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there?
23:52 mircea_popescu thyey got their priorities right
23:52 asciilifeform wats the point of blowing its wad on the spot.
23:52 mod6 not 100% sure if that was true or not though.
23:53 asciilifeform *ticket
23:53 mircea_popescu if alf had a rock of crack he'd prolly go around with it luring crackwhores rather than smoking it all right then and there also.
23:53 BingoBoingo <mod6> apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there? << It's back now. The General Assembly had to suck a lot of other state's dicks, but it's back
23:53 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the underworld works, yo.
23:53 mod6 BingoBoingo: lol. priorities. people need to feel like "they can be a winner too!"
23:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: picture, when i go fishing i dun even eat the worms along the way
23:54 asciilifeform save, imagine, for the... fish
23:54 mircea_popescu lol
23:54 mod6 haha
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