#trilema | 2018-12-10

this solipsistic head-arse system is shaped quite like gabriel_laddel by now.

00:21

any projects other than getting blocked by derps on twitter?

00:23

danielpbarron: here's a question. on the glorious day after everyone on twitter agrees, falls before lord jesus, etc., what next?

00:26

next would be, Christ rules the earth for one thousand years

00:35

pats danielpbarron on the back for his twitter posts?

00:36

"Well done, good and faithful servant, retweeted"

00:37

i would be taken up in the rapture before then, hopefully

00:38

or died, and gone to the kingdom of God

00:40

the Word is to be preached in all places, be it on the street or on twitter. And afterwards, it makes for blog content.

00:40

is it really so much different than sending messages on kinky dating sites?

00:50

technically speaking, it's not "really so much different" from finnegans wake, either.

00:50

or the phonebook.

00:56

i suppose the problem could be stated as "yes, sex is universally interesting, being a fundamental human behaviour ; whereas religion is universally uninteresting, being fundamentally indistinguishable from gossip."

01:06

and not even gossip is all made the same. when i drop http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878182 it falls like a bomb because biographic minutia and "then he said"s of newton and taylor are still interesting -- these are somebodies, people who described actual, verifiable properties of defined abstracts, and so people marginally care whether they took showers or baths and so on.

01:06

Logged on 2018-12-04 00:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878046 << you're in luck, i have it for you right here : http://archive.is/Tqi6j#selection-2159.124794-2159.124944

01:06

meanwhile some hurr about moses or abraham or whatever... these aren't somebodies. they're nobodies, did nothing, contributed nothing, i care about as much as to what abraham spawned out of which women as i care whether obama's ugly mother spit him out a week before or a week after they left kenya city harbor.

01:06

any of that make sense to you ?

01:06

the truth of the Bible is universally known; to call it uninteresting is to make a fool of yourself

01:07

universally known my foot, most nobody ever read it, or could be bothered to.

01:08

the number 9 is not universally known, what hope's left for jesus or w/e action figurine.

01:08

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and

01:08

Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

01:09

o brother.

01:09

wouldja stop with that, you'll end up devoiced.

~ 1 hours 22 minutes ~

02:31

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http://bimbo.club/?p=101 << Bimbo.Club -- We made it to 100!

02:35

asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: here's the accounting-side statement for november: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xfsgf/?raw=true . production of these numbers is largely automatic, the stitching together is largely manual. now that i've coughed up november's numbers, i'll go back and apply this methodology to regenerating september and october statements, in the process identifying the bits to mechanize for future

02:35

robo-production, or ripe for surfacing through mp-wp.

02:37

BingoBoingo: couldn't get your pg to work; psql shits out with "symbol not found"

02:39

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835094 << i did not know that statically-compiled mysql was solved; is it?

02:39

Logged on 2018-07-16 16:44 mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that "binary identity" is not even necessary a premise. you can go "hey shithead, why the fuck are you linking dynamic mysql when there's been a static one for five years". or w/e.

~ 30 minutes ~

03:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879168 - it seems it's actually the ..vdiff that is borked on that laptop, ugh; I'll have to look into it and sort that out first

03:09

Logged on 2018-12-09 18:50 diana_coman: will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though

03:10

anyway, trinque your script is actually doing the right thing as far as I can tell for now

~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~

04:40

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857602 -> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ax0HY/?raw=true

04:40

Logged on 2018-10-03 13:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: interesting ; any idea re contents ?

04:40

I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months

~ 4 hours 3 minutes ~

08:44

and for added lolol: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IajKh/?raw=true

08:47

ftr that is from running the cuntoo script on a different machine - apparently I managed to find a configuration that breaks it; I'll have to see what exactly is the difference that breaks it

~ 18 minutes ~

09:06

trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")

09:06

let me know if there is some specific info I can provide to help re diff perhaps

~ 18 minutes ~

09:25

ben_vulpes that was a putative as-to-the-eventual-future discussion. i'm not aware we have static lamp, though it's not yet clear it strictly can't be done.

09:26

we don't have, no; afaik it hasn't been actually tried as such, so possibly doable, no idea

09:27

* IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.

09:29

I read it as "more of those 'you should prefer that' " so I ignored it entirely; from what I saw, current gentoo whines similarly of all sorts and in copious quantities

~ 38 minutes ~

10:07

heh

10:18

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin

10:18

Logged on 2018-12-10 09:40 diana_coman: I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months

10:19

psa : one point of mp-wp people might not be familiar with is the feed encoding. like here : http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ; that leading "OTIxMjQ0NTYxMTJ8MTc5LjUwLjIyNi4xNjE=" encodes the ip of the caller. if you get your feeds republished (often done by spammers ), you de-base the string and can ban the scrapper by ip.

10:20

not perfect solution, but it's what it is.

~ 17 minutes ~

10:38

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879324 << interesting, please paste or upload so I can diff with mine.

10:38

Logged on 2018-12-10 14:06 diana_coman: trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")

10:38

I'll want to root out the indeterminism in the script (timestamp? machine name?) and rerelease

10:38

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trinque bbl

10:40

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diana_coman will go now to Reading Uni to talk to students; will bbl

10:41

o hey! have fun diana_coman

~ 18 minutes ~

10:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879328 << gentoo traditionally emits this rubbish whenever you emerge a package that takes 1 or moar new /etc configisms

10:59

Logged on 2018-12-10 14:27 mircea_popescu: * IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.

11:07

ic

11:13

yep, shows you diff of what the package wanted to do to the contents of /etc, iirc apt does same

11:17

ben_vulpes: tyvm

11:17

lobbesbot

BingoBoingo: Sent 15 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?

11:18

Will take a look at nicoleci's footnotes

~ 2 hours 49 minutes ~

14:08

BingoBoingo i suspect it was operator error, meanwhile fixed. soz.

14:11

ah, ty

14:15

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879340 -> it actually was fun - it rankled them badly that "it's not fair" lol

14:15

Logged on 2018-12-10 15:41 mircea_popescu: o hey! have fun diana_coman

14:16

I'll get around to do a write-up hopefully

14:19

diana_coman: what was the lecture about ?

14:19

( .. what was 'not fair' )

14:19

asciilifeform, basically "what is bitcoin" + innovation vs subversion and I used WoT + V as examples; the WoT sparked a ton of questions

14:20

I'll publish the slides and all

14:20

Meanwhile in local spats: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ministra-cosse-pidio-declaracion-de-esencialidad-en-los-combustibles-2018121011041

14:20

aa

14:21

Apparently the local stooges are leaning increasingly on essentialidad during these spats https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-recorrido-por-los-decretos-de-esencialidad-del-gobierno--20181210142625

14:21

diana_coman: will be interesting to see this talk !

14:22

you know, I asked the prof to take at least some pictures and he was so intently following that he...forgot; had to ask him at the end to take at least 2, lol

14:22

anyways, now I'm kind of curious whether any of them actually makes a key and shows up in #eulora or somewhere

14:32

hello, i'm back in the saddle. i intend to finish the ada syscalls around next weekend (23.12)

14:33

wb bvt

14:33

trinque: i also have problems verifying the genesis.vpatch that i got from running ./bootstrap.sh. 1 question: which exactly vdiff should i use? the one from vtools or from http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vdiff-fixes/ ?

14:33

the genesis.vpatch from vtools vdiff is here: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis.vpatch the one from sha512sum vdiff: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis-sha512.vpatch

14:33

thx asciilifeform

14:34

diana_coman nice.

14:35

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asciilifeform laughed at 'bitcoin not fair' for yrs. wtf is 'fair'.

14:35

asciilifeform whatever rando schmuck feels like. what, that's not how things go ?!@??!?

14:36

mircea_popescu: yea but is there a coherent picture in the psychosis or only rng barf.

14:36

rng barf.

14:38

speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.

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14:38

fair, rite.

14:40

avik bhattacharya << holyfuq, them?! ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682041 )

14:40

Logged on 2017-07-12 20:30 asciilifeform: is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?

14:41

1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate

~ 23 minutes ~

15:05

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879373 << They are probably going to wonder what you offer that competes with Xanax

15:05

Logged on 2018-12-10 19:38 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.

~ 2 hours 55 minutes ~

18:00

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http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/ << Ossasepia -- My Talk of Bitcoin at Reading Uni

18:01

oh hey!

18:02

criticism welcome - I'll take notes for next time basically

18:08

diana_coman: the only immediate gotcha that stands out to asciilifeform's lens is that the public crypto example was rsa ( did anyone ask 'but prof. coman, bitcoin dun use rsa?' )

18:08

this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..

18:08

no, nobody asked

18:08

i suppose it was the usual veggie undergrad audience, then

18:08

and for that matter I did not even mention rsa by name

18:09

right, not named, but clear from http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-75.1-75.249

18:09

they did wake up at some point and esp re the WoT - perhaps it was closer home, or perhaps it rankled more

18:09

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asciilifeform reads on..

18:09

well yes, clear is clear for who has any idea ; but tbh I think it was the first time they really got *any* idea re crypto at all

18:11

trinque, the cuntoo genesis .vpatch I got is at http://ossasepia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/genesis_2018_12_10.vpatch

18:11

thanks!

18:11

now I'm even curious if it's the same as bvt's

18:12

np, let me know if there's anything else I can provide to help

18:13

guess what, I'm an idjit and used sha vdiff, it appears! hashes are where mine differs from diana_coman

18:13

o.O

18:13

this is encouraging though, everything else looks like a direct hit

18:14

ah, nope, few other differences besides that. I'll work through this and report what I find.

18:15

kk; meanwhile I still have on the list to figure out what's the diff that messes up the python installation thing on the other machine...

18:16

diana_coman: that appears to be that your host machine doesn't have a /dev/shm mounted. python's build requires it, haven't investigated why

18:16

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asciilifeform wrapping up re-baked proof of ch.14, after that will give trinque's thing a try

18:16

/dev/shm is a ramdisk

18:17

trinque: i think my box from last test also had no /dev/shm

18:17

trinque, onth the host machine otherwise *does* have python installed, v 2.7.6 so dunno, somehow it did install it without the shm thing

18:32

diana_coman: if gentoo, could be same python as came with your stage3; if something else, it's only required to build python, not to run it

18:32

it's xubuntu, not gentoo

18:33

ah k, that'd explain it. wasn't built there, just unpacked from package.

18:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true

18:36

Logged on 2018-12-10 15:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin

18:37

as it's all pizarro anyway I suppose you can just set up some testing if you want more details on that

18:38

BingoBoingo: at your earliest convenience, plz route all packets having unassigned ip as destionation, to the 2nd nic on dulap, i'd like to make 'radiotelescope' for martian udp there

18:38

for completeness, the tcpdump cmd was this: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 7000 -vv -X

18:38

*destination

18:40

diana_coman: interesting, all but 1 seem to be garbage from the switch ; and the remaining 1 seems to be a ... voip spam attempt

18:41

aha, the "telephone adapter" thing

18:41

from... iceland, of all places

18:41

lol!

18:42

why not, what's wrong with iceland?!

18:42

i have heard they're tryin' to edge into the spam dc market

18:42

anybody got a voip rig ? give'em a call, 185.53.91.28:7000, see who picks up...

18:43

asciilifeform i dunno, some packing peanuts engineer

18:44

mircea_popescu: the voip spammer ?!

18:46

the avik dood.

18:46

aah

18:47

i'm sorry, i'm reading the log in order lol.

18:47

lolk

18:55

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879377 << dude's pretty lulzy, "law-of-attracted" himself being a "data architect". meanwhile works for some obscure packaging materials manufacturer.

18:55

Logged on 2018-12-10 19:41 asciilifeform: 1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate

18:55

mircea_popescu: what's 'law-of-attracted'

18:55

but whatever, some people manage the cern datahose, some people count the packing peanuts, it's all numbers right.

18:56

asciilifeform cca 2005ish packaging of the pantsuit/usgtard ideas on magic. nth rehash of the "if you think something really really hard it will be".

18:56

aa the 'fake till make' thing

18:56

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_%28New_Thought%29

18:57

oh this is fucking precious. behold :

18:57

"In the New Thought philosophy, the Law of Attraction is the belief that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, people can bring positive or negative experiences into their life.[1][2] The belief is based on the idea that people and their thoughts are both made from pure energy, and that through the process of like energy attracting like energy a person can improve their own health, wealth, and personal relationships. "

18:57

positive and negative ENERGY, because it's not a scalar anymore.

18:57

ugh raw chukcha

18:57

and paduche la paduche trage, because they never went to school, never heard of charge, weak nuclear force, etc.

18:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879384 << she went by ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/ce-este-bitcoin/ which deliberately makes this "mistake".

18:59

Logged on 2018-12-10 23:08 asciilifeform: this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..

19:00

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879396 << lmao

19:00

Logged on 2018-12-10 23:13 trinque: guess what, I'm an idjit and used sha vdiff, it appears! hashes are where mine differs from diana_coman

19:02

http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879409 << honestly looks like usual net barfola, random broken broadcasts nad whatnot.

19:02

Logged on 2018-12-10 23:36 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true

19:04

diana_coman "Since there is no recording of the talk" << this is kinda unfortunate. just leave a laptop with the mic going behind, you know ?

19:05

mircea_popescu, from all my previous experience, that's more like an exercise in frustration afterwards

19:05

as the sound is horrible at best

19:05

hm

19:06

I also move quite a lot actually, I don't tend to sit by the laptop or anything of the sort

19:06

i usually get kinda ok ones. or got, before moving on to live dactilographist before moving on to not doing these anymore.

19:06

yeah but i mean, even half decent mic can capture a room.

19:07

but how clear; well, at any rate I can always try it again, won't hurt; I *did* consider it but remembered last time I cursed at such a "recording" and ...

19:07

basically the only time it worked fine it was with a mic attached and that was it

19:07

a lavaliere thing ?

19:07

yes

19:07

can get those too, ten bux or so, with a wireless connection.

19:08

i dunno how into this you are, but if you like it might as well gear up.

19:08

could also get yourself a hat put one of those car cameras on it.

19:08

GOPRO!!!

19:08

ahahaha

19:08

yeah, I did not even consider getting the gear myself - if they weren't so inept re org I'd have just ask the uni to provide, wtf

19:09

speaking of optics, asciilifeform replaced the sad webcam thing bolted to the torture room iron pole with a modern-day 25megapixel thing. should make for some decent shots once i get that bolix...

19:09

but yeah, it can't be that much; anyways, it's done, not as if I'm running after making presentations, ugh;

19:10

england is ever more impressing in its somali quality.

19:10

the good fellows of 1600'd have been ever so appaled.

19:11

they probably...were already

19:11

mircea_popescu: fwiw 'lapel mic' was standard issue even at asciilifeform's uni in early 2000s. so i have nfi re the brits

19:11

2000s went away, to be replaced by 2010s and soon enough 2020s.

19:11

diana_coman how many kids attended abouts ?

19:12

~15-20

19:12

in 500 seat hall, no way in hell is prof gonna be heard without mic ( the days of profs having 'operatic' voice as job qualification are long gone )

19:12

they were "supposed to be 40" I've been told afterwards

19:12

neah, it was a smallish room, certainly not a 500 seat hall

19:12

aaah that'd explain why no mic

19:12

basically I could have a chat with them all and I know their faces already without any trouble

19:13

i did not have many lectures like that

19:13

I'd call it more of a seminar at best

19:13

possibly 'operating systems', was ~7 people

19:13

( started as coupla dozen , lol )

19:14

ahahah, that was "compilers" for us

19:14

'compilers' was 10 or so iirc

19:14

i can be heard just fine in 500 hall. and hallway. ha-HA!

19:15

diana_coman anyway, sounds like it worked pretty well, good for you.

19:15

mircea_popescu: we had a fella like that. used no mic. and would detonate a balloon with h2+o2 at the start of each session, to get folx awake

19:15

mircea_popescu, that might be it re mic - while I can certainly screech if try, I usually don't; never had problems with audience not hearing me but the recording ugh

19:16

lol hardcore.

19:16

diana_coman honestly, the summary very acceptable, detailed and so on. just, you're missing out on a possible fanbase!

19:17

mircea_popescu, I was expecting them to be even harder to get to so overall I'm quite pleased with it; now if at least one of them actually *does* something too as a result, that'd be already bonus

19:17

thanks!

19:17

oh, fanbase,pfuai

19:18

nuca nu se stie niciodata.

19:19

fwiw, /me has settled on 221 as the perfect number to build "what is asym crypto" around. experimentally, NOBODY knows it's 13 * 17 nor manages to find out.

19:19

i dunno wtf is with it.

19:20

but uhm, 13 is the 6th number max one would try; with a calc at hand, it can't take more than 2 minutes

19:20

ah, im talking no calcs, at most napkin.

19:20

well, they obv had their laptops and whatnot, so yeah, I counted on "with calcs" hence larger

19:21

what did you end up using,

19:21

!Qcalc 101 *103

19:21

lobbesbot

mircea_popescu: 10403

19:21

!Qcalc 101 * 211

19:21

lobbesbot

mircea_popescu: 21311

19:21

that seems pretty good.

19:22

neah, something quite large, 2179*3167

19:22

a

19:22

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diana_coman tends to err on the side of "no way are they going to kill my talk on THIS"

19:22

kek.

19:24

come to think of it re 221 I don't get it; even without a calc, still: 2 no because odd, 3 no because 2+2+1=5, 5 no because 1 at end, 7 no because 21, then 11, 11 no because 22, 1, 13 takes a bit perhaps but...

19:25

I kind of suspect it's either pressure on the spot or people not really used to mental maths

19:26

13 is for some reason hard, and 221 encodes "eleven-ness" which meshes with "intelligent" people's dyslexia.

19:27

so they spend most of the time trying to fit 11 into it, then they lose it.

19:27

uhm, eleven-ness was 232 sort of thing i.e. ..ah, I see vs 223

19:27

it's just disproportionately hard. psychological benefit, what can you do.

19:28

that yes

19:28

it certainly is the first "jump"

19:28

(yes, i'm kinda fishing for someone to go "it's 13 x 17 and you know, you're cheating by picking these, illustrating human stupidity not objective hardness".)

19:28

heh

19:28

that person, could be sent to qatar, as it were.

19:28

diana_coman hey, if you don't ask one million morons "how about you..." ...

19:29

eulora-style, "get lucky"

19:29

BITCOIN RULES EVERYTING AROUND ME!!!1

19:34

And so the Peruana has returned from from Argentina with stories of "Todo es mas linda ahí, hay subte..."

19:35

Entonces "Las computadoras pesan mucha y no hay buen lugares por las computadoras en Argentina"

19:43

And today I learned there is a "Highland" in Indiana too

19:57

keks.

19:57

mas lindo eh

19:58

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asciilifeform actually agrees there, buenosaires arch is palpably moar 'white man' than in BingoBoingostan imho. 'while supplies last'.

19:59

( iirc mircea_popescu had a photo of argentine orc clothesline slowly pulling the nose off a gargoyle or sumthing to that effect )

20:02

Anyways, now I have to explain she was seeing Argentina's version of my barrio trying to compensate for its lack of beach, while Argentina in general is more like her barrio.

20:04

Anyways, Barrio Carrasco where the expo was is considerably in the White Suburban style. Drive-thrus and parking lots everywhere

20:12

Anyways, the architecture here has its own charm.

20:13

Kinda like Fallout happened IRL and here's this city on the edge of the world the missed out

20:20

BingoBoingo: 'white man arch' is pointedly not 'suburban drivethrough', but is e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wma.jpg

20:21

There's entire streets in barrio sur and Palermo built like that

20:22

i saw a coupla also

20:22

Except the A/A on the balconito would be Panavox

20:22

but asciilifeform's traditional heuristic is 'what % of city loox like that'

20:22

( in usa, typically 0 )

20:22

During your trip we didn't have much occasion to venture into the AfroUruguayo barro or the old city

20:23

they surrendered their decent arch to 'afro' ?!

20:23

for shame.

20:23

Nah, they built that arch in designated afro barrio from the start

20:24

It lacks beach and thusly gets to stay afro barrio

20:24

Then in the center of most barrios there's a historical core surviving from when the barrios were wee little towns

20:25

'panavox' >> lol!! durasell!

20:25

parasonic!

20:25

But most everything outside of this photo's coverage is post 1920's construction, and post 1950's especially http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/DAG/1.jpg

20:26

BingoBoingo: yea i saw 0 from that tower that passed isCivilized()

20:26

maybe half a church, somewhere

20:27

it beats the shit out of cr, seems like, tho, ~errything mircea_popescu posted outside of own house looked iirc like ~africa

20:27

The churches are how you evaluate whether a barrio was once a town or if it is a new espansion favela

20:28

far as asciilifeform goes, if it dun have a carriage gate built to 18th c spec, it's favela

20:29

There's quite of few of those within a couple blocks of the habitation unit

20:29

laugh if ya like, but i can even distinguish 'correct' bldgs by... smell

20:30

they have a smell ( typically gotta walk in the front gate, but sometimes can even test right outside )

20:30

What are you smelling for or against?

20:30

for

20:30

but can't put finger on precisely what.

20:31

when i was in timis i walked around and, among other things... smelled the houses. it passed litmus. ( even tho last time i smelled the magic smell was 25y ago ! )

20:32

i dun know precisely what is in it, prolly aging plaster, wood, flats fulla old b00kz..

20:33

i dun think there's anywhere in e.g. usa where you could smell it, even if it were there you couldn't pick it up past the exhaust gas and garbage

20:33

Well, the big stylstic difference between new and old country is the lack of pitch on these roofs

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