#trilema | 2018-12-09

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sure, and slaves can decide whether they're gonna wear rag A or rag B.

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00:46

there's exactly no difference between scarlet o'hara's mammy and that elaineou chick';s story about how she didn't get subtype x of brand y of packaged "food" at office because she got it at home and she wanted ~some way~ to distinguish between the two.

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00:29	mircea_popescu	sure, and slaves can decide whether they're gonna wear rag A or rag B.
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00:46	mircea_popescu	there's exactly no difference between scarlet o'hara's mammy and that elaineou chick';s story about how she didn't get subtype x of brand y of packaged "food" at office because she got it at home and she wanted ~some way~ to distinguish between the two.
00:47	mircea_popescu	(cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
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00:49	mircea_popescu	to sum up : "antebellum slaves" weren't "some people with absolutely no options". they were "some people whose continued existence depends on ~others~ maintaining an ecosystem for them". their "freed" descendants replicated the original situation exactly, they're came up with "the rap industry" to "tryna make it in", an' when clinton gave them free houses they failed to keep up with the payments. this doesn't sum to an indict
00:49	mircea_popescu	ment of slavery as an institution, but to an indictment of blackness as an ethnicity.
00:50	mircea_popescu	much like the fact that old people will either be found loitering in old people homes or else loitering in parks and train stations isn't possibly an indictment of old people homes ; but of old age.
00:51	mircea_popescu	being old sucks, and this isn't going to change by how you package the old folks. it's not "serenity cedars" or whatever stupid name's fault that there's no great 90yo strippers, or wrestlers, or whatever the fuck. no reforming of retirement homes is gonna make senior citizens a pleasure to drive behind. and so on.
00:53	mircea_popescu	nor can this be dispelled by anecdotal example. ~of fucking course~ there's 90yos you'd love to have dinner with. few and fart between.
00:53	mircea_popescu	o wait, i mean far*.
00:55	mircea_popescu	the question is not "whether slave has some leeway". all living things always have some leway. the question is, in romanian, "desteptu' face bani din ce doreste, prostu' din ce poate" ; and in latin, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
00:59	mircea_popescu	the difference is that some do what they will and the rest do what they can. that's it, and there's no talking out of it available, the surgeon will operate a case of apendicitis every single time a case of apendicits walks in the er door. not a single time less nor a single time more. "nobody asks him" in this exact sense, he'll do what there's to be done according to the book of his slavery, much EXACRTLY like the "antebell
00:59	mircea_popescu	um south" slave who'll pick cotton, exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's cotton to be picked, and will brush silverware exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's silverware to brush.
01:01	mircea_popescu	yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
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01:10	lobbes	!Qlater tell spyked http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rOvJB/?raw=true
01:10	lobbesbot	lobbes: The operation succeeded.
01:10	lobbes	^^ lemme know if you end up needing the post-by-post history and I can shoot that over too
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04:36	diana_coman	trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
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10:14	feedbot	http://qntra.net/2018/12/linux-org-domain-hijacked-to-show-hairy-butthole/ << Qntra -- Linux.org Domain Hijacked To Show Hairy Butthole
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10:35	mircea_popescu	#LinuxLost
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10:35	BingoBoingo	Indeed
10:36	*	BingoBoingo getting clean air before making one last dive into the corral of mediocrity
10:47	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo keks, may now wants to stick with eu ?
10:47	mircea_popescu	they're so lulzy, these schmucks. srsly now, if i wanted to play with six year old girls i'd have stayed six years old. who the fuck ever does ?!
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11:10	BingoBoingo	Really, its a whole pile of WTFs all the way down
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11:34	mircea_popescu	meh, i keep losing my articles.
11:34	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo do you perchance recall which trilema piece explained why and wherefore politeness is a social bad (inflates away the value system) ?
11:35	BingoBoingo	Ths one? http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/
11:37	mircea_popescu	yay!
11:37	mircea_popescu	tyvm
11:39	mircea_popescu	ahahah teh fucking comments. who was mr beam anyways ?!
11:44	BingoBoingo	I can't recall the beam fellow
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12:12	mircea_popescu	Mr. Beam Friday, 25 November 2016 '"Used on blogging sites, mostly Tumblr, is an expression that denotes so many emotional responses that the user cant even comprehend what has been said or seen. " << Wrong. Intel first introduced a line of Pentriums that couldn't even.' Mircea Popescu 'I thought the Intels couldn't odd.'
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12:56	feedbot	http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << Trilema -- The stupidity ratchet
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13:43	trinque	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879137 << the warnings from cp are expected. I'm copying just files, not dirs (perhaps there's a way to suppress this warning?). If the script stopped at this point for you, I'd be curious what adding -x to the shebang at top tells us.
13:43	a111	Logged on 2018-12-09 09:36 diana_coman: trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
13:44	diana_coman	trinque, it didn't stop but it ended with an empty "a" and "b" hence .vpatch
13:44	diana_coman	so I think it wasn't just a warning really
13:44	diana_coman	also, why does it try to write to read-only stuff on /dev/sda or what am I failing to understand there?
13:45	trinque	diana_coman: it's saying that lilo was instructed not to write to sda
13:45	trinque	I roll through all other block devices but the target one and explicitly tell lilo not to fuck with them.
13:45	diana_coman	ah, ah, I get it now; makes sense
13:46	trinque	the empty dirs are weird indeed. I think -x at the top of that script will tell us more, if you would be so kind.
13:46	trinque	I'll re-run on my end as well and confirm that I get the same results I did last time.
13:46	trinque	looks like you did receive a bootable drive though, just no vpatch?
13:47	diana_coman	trinque, yes, I seem to have a bootable drive at the end of it but empty .vpatch file; where exactly should I add the -x?
13:48	diana_coman	I'll re-run it with that, no problem
13:49	trinque	scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << #!/bin/bash -ex
13:50	diana_coman	will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though
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13:50	trinque	sounds about right
13:50	trinque	can speed things up by copying /cuntoo/packages/* to the packages folder in the bootstrapper dir
13:51	diana_coman	it's more that I'll be away in a few hours anyway and then it's night here so it may as well just run fully until tomorrow morning
13:51	diana_coman	but speedup option is actually good to know anyway
13:52	trinque	ah right, no worries. thanks for your testing.
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18:00	feedbot	http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/09/weekly-update-december-9th-2018/ << PizarroISP -- Weekly Update December 9th 2018
18:05	feedbot	http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me
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18:34	*	asciilifeform back in biz after short break in meatspace
18:34	asciilifeform	diana_coman et al : achtung : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735&cpage=1#comment-19763
18:36	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879088 << i have not read. but attempted to when eating log, and found that i dun have enuff of recent ro wank loaded into head, to make sense of it
18:36	a111	Logged on 2018-12-08 16:43 mircea_popescu: o btw, in continuation of "romanians are idiots" discussion, asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2010/dusmania-politica-romaneasca/ ?
18:36	asciilifeform	( e.g. what is 'psd' ? )
18:37	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879048 << i turn these up erry coupla months, some rando derp claims to tmsr etc
18:37	a111	Logged on 2018-12-08 02:54 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html
18:39	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879085 << i must be an earthworm. cuz i find'em ~all~ ~equally infuriating.
18:39	a111	Logged on 2018-12-08 16:22 mircea_popescu: possibly it's the actual substance of gender identity, "when girls do x i find it tolerable, when bois do it i find it unbearable" "so you're male ?"
18:40	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879068 >> KillThemAll
18:40	a111	Logged on 2018-12-08 15:52 mircea_popescu: #KillTheMales
18:43	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879123 << astonishing levels of snoar. tho will point out, the 'btc is 4evah' part is lulzy -- not even speaking of hypothetical crypto breaks -- there's, e.g., a built-in sad-fixint-overflow boojum due in < 20yr .
18:43	a111	Logged on 2018-12-09 05:47 mircea_popescu: (cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
18:44	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879139 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578
18:44	a111	Logged on 2018-12-09 15:35 mircea_popescu: #LinuxLost
18:44	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879133 << i can't resist to ask, wtf is a 'nonservile profession' ? 'fuhrer' aint a profession imho
18:44	a111	Logged on 2018-12-09 06:01 mircea_popescu: yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
18:45	asciilifeform	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879175 << tell'em, nicoleci, that it is too late nao : that you have already grown the horn.
18:45	a111	Logged on 2018-12-09 23:05 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me
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19:15	mircea_popescu	the horn ?!
19:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform psd and pdl, the two major political parties at the time
19:20	mircea_popescu	ro has this habit of recycling the apparatus under diff names, ~same bs as in us but gets a new name every 5ish years.
19:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform chick doesn't read code or understand anything. she just sed 's/x/y/g' 's and that's it.
19:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's these unicorns, "liberal professions". supposedly exist in some circumstances that nobody yet encountered.
19:30	mircea_popescu	hey BingoBoingo, is the mp-wp on pizarro's shared server broken or what ? i don't understand how http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 is possible otherwise ?
19:32	*	asciilifeform cannot comment at all on 'liberal professions', has only ever served on galleys
19:33	asciilifeform	the horn << well, 'unicorn' neh
19:33	mircea_popescu	ah
19:33	mircea_popescu	lol
19:34	asciilifeform	http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 displays correctly here btw
19:34	asciilifeform	( shows a properly-blued '"hi, let's try ((This is how they work.)) footnotes"1' )
19:34	asciilifeform	mp-wp on shared machine is a per-user install, tho, so it is possible that somebody's is broken. that one seems to work tho
19:35	mircea_popescu	it should not be possible for a mp-wp correctly installed to display the (()) part
19:35	asciilifeform	oh hm
19:35	mircea_popescu	they resolve to footnotes.
19:35	asciilifeform	ooooh that was archiver's js
19:36	asciilifeform	nicoleci dun seem to have the mp's highlight plugin installed at al
19:36	mircea_popescu	i am not discussing highlight.
19:36	mircea_popescu	i am discussing footnote parser.
19:36	asciilifeform	aaaa
19:36	mircea_popescu	you're something else!
19:36	asciilifeform	ok yes broke
19:37	asciilifeform	!Q later tell BingoBoingo iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?
19:37	lobbesbot	asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
19:38	asciilifeform	( hanbot's , on same machine, worx , so it's a user-local boojum )
19:39	mircea_popescu	in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
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19:40	asciilifeform	if mircea_popescu says she's 3digit when speaking, and only like-so when writing, i'ma believe
19:40	mircea_popescu	doesn't seem credible, does it.
19:41	asciilifeform	but only will believe cuz mircea_popescu aint in the habit of making'em up
19:41	asciilifeform	otherwise could not
19:41	trinque	mircea_popescu: this really adds to the lulz re chorus of bois begging her to say they aren't inadequate.
19:41	mircea_popescu	you know ?!
19:41	asciilifeform	trinque: mircea_popescu must've lured away the 1 gurl in that nowhere town or sumthing close
19:42	mircea_popescu	boys nothing, there's this 40something moron with a collection of "slaves" ie confused girlies on xanax, and so on. heck, danielpbarron is saving her also, apparently.
19:42	mircea_popescu	irony of ironies.
19:42	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform she's from chicago.
19:42	danielpbarron	i can't save anyone
19:42	mircea_popescu	well, i can.
19:43	danielpbarron	not from eternal destruction you can't
19:43	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i went to chicago coupla times in recent yrz on snoring saecular biz, it was astonishingly fulla ragged bums ( and a++ gilged age bldgs, in pretty sad states of decay )
19:43	trinque	danielpbarron: don't you have nothing to do over a case of coors somewhere?
19:43	mircea_popescu	from anything there is.
19:43	trinque	asciilifeform: can find girl who was never forced to write anything in any city in USA
19:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform still, 4th largest us metro area or some shit, i forget.
19:44	asciilifeform	trinque: iirc this one was a bureaucrat even, somewhere
19:44	mircea_popescu	trinque all they fucking do all day is write, you kidding me ? they work in an office, what else is there to do in an office besides writing ?
19:44	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'powerpoint'
19:44	mircea_popescu	still takes words ooooohhh
19:44	trinque	sure, typing
19:44	mircea_popescu	destroys any notion of narrative structure, doesn't it. "bulletpoints"
19:45	asciilifeform	it's 'writing' like painting bridges is 'oil painting'
19:45	trinque	thing's full of the 'gist' of whichever thoughts she had all lined up in head
19:45	mircea_popescu	right, "bridge does perspective all by itself"
19:45	mircea_popescu	thank you two, i had nfi what was going on.
19:46	*	trinque tips hat
19:47	mircea_popescu	http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564305
19:47	a111	Logged on 2016-11-08 19:50 mircea_popescu: +30 iq points from #trilema
19:48	asciilifeform	and waiwat wat was this re danielpbarron 'saving', i missed a thread ?!
19:48	danielpbarron	i commented on the article
19:48	asciilifeform	aaaa
19:48	*	asciilifeform was deep in the midst of an algebraic headache for 48+ hrs, only nao getting out
19:49	mircea_popescu	nicoleci start reading here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879221
19:49	a111	Logged on 2018-12-10 00:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
19:49	mircea_popescu	and thank the good fellows, they've saved me! it turns out your problem is that you're trying to "select the gist" of your thoughts, and paste it in.
19:50	mircea_popescu	this is a very broken approach to writing -- thoughts have to flow from one another, in a constructed, harmonious whole. you're supposed to delineate the relations as well as the "gists".
19:50	mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as a "gist" anyway, not anymore than "niche" or "equality" or any other of a grosse pantsuit manic moronicities.
19:51	mircea_popescu	in fact, if trilema the blog is dedicated to anything as a literary exercise, it would be very plainly "there's no such thing as gists".
19:53	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: meanwhile in world of... games -- asciilifeform recently had chance to put on 1 of those '3d' welding-mask display things. surprisingly good optics nao. would be interesting in eulora perhaps
19:53	mircea_popescu	why ?
19:53	mircea_popescu	eulora very thought-based, there's bots there's things.
19:54	asciilifeform	orthogonal to the thoughts
19:54	mircea_popescu	yeah but i mean, it's not like i have tons of art looking for ways to ease public consumption thereof.
19:54	asciilifeform	it's entertaining in strictly 'oh hey they threw brick and i can watch it hit my face' etc visceral thing.
19:54	mircea_popescu	in fact, vice-versa, been trying to hire artists for half a decade.
19:55	asciilifeform	worx pretty well even with 1980s 'battlezone'-style graphics.
19:55	asciilifeform	i spat at the idea, but was pleasantly surprised when actually tried.
19:56	mircea_popescu	well, why not i guess.
19:57	asciilifeform	the joystick that came with the thing suxxx tho
19:57	asciilifeform	apparently those went to shit while asciilifeform slept in his cave
20:01	asciilifeform	also annoying triangular pixels, i have nfi who thought that was good idea
20:02	*	asciilifeform bbl, petting pet, then moar maffs
20:03	mircea_popescu	nicoleci cat got your tongue ?
20:06	nicoleci	mircea_popescu, no sorry just taking it all in
20:06	lobbesbot	nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> s/chipher/cipher , s/Bansky/Banksy , plz
20:06	lobbesbot	nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I raise your 103 words with a story http://bimbo.club/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-35
20:07	nicoleci	not always great to do the unbelievable
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23:36	feedbot	http://danielpbarron.com/2018/grace-peace-to-you-and-yours/ << Daniel P. Barron -- Grace & Peace to you and yours.