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00:12 mod6 wb
00:14 mircea_popescu ty
00:14 mircea_popescu i see they're sticking to the whole "silk road did something" lulz.
00:14 asciilifeform also the 'nsa not involved, shuddupterrorists' lulz.
00:15 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo worx
00:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
00:16 BingoBoingo In other news, appear to have successfully quit smoking. Last nicotine was Saturday at 1:15 PM. Turns out it works better if you wait until afterwards to announce to the world
00:16 mircea_popescu depends if you'd rather quit or just announce.
00:18 BingoBoingo Mostly just reallocate micromorts
00:23 trinque BingoBoingo: wd, did same a couple months ago.
~ 18 minutes ~
00:41 trinque switched to a vape briefly, decided I didn't want a hot battery in my mouth.
00:43 asciilifeform trinque: they dun have a wall plug ?!
00:46 BingoBoingo Almost all vape setups use lithium ion firehazard
00:48 * BingoBoingo disqualified vape thing in planning latest run because still preserves active nicotine addiction
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01:47 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-469163.txt
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10:20 mod6 mornin'
10:24 trinque hey mod6; how goes it
10:24 mod6 alright, how 'bout you?
10:25 trinque just fine, sqlating away.
10:28 mod6 aha.
~ 57 minutes ~
11:26 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663325 << so I should *not* be seeing a reoccurance of 'ff fd' throughout my entropy output files right?
11:26 a111 Logged on 2017-05-30 17:07 asciilifeform: the preponderance of 0xff 0xfd etc is screaming hint
11:27 asciilifeform mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ihPkP/?raw=true
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11:28 asciilifeform mod6: usage -- ./hist.py foo.bin
11:28 asciilifeform a 1G , say, sample, should have nearly flat histogram
11:28 asciilifeform and moreover, a quite different one each 1G
11:28 asciilifeform (numerically)
11:29 asciilifeform first test however is always 'ent', you can see in pete_dushenski's sample that ent immediately produces barf
11:32 asciilifeform ( histograms, you will want when trying to learn what it was that you broke in your setup )
11:32 asciilifeform will reveal, e.g., 'smart,helpful' unix that drops 'in-band control' octets.
11:32 asciilifeform or line endings, etc.
11:35 asciilifeform it is astonishingly tricky to get raw bytes UNMOLESTED into and out of a 'modern pc'.
11:35 mod6 I'll run your py script here...
11:35 mod6 but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true
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11:35 asciilifeform mod6: still dealing with the bsd thing ?
11:36 asciilifeform !~calc 1095455232 / 65536
11:36 asciilifeform !~calc 1095455232 / 65536
11:36 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 1095455232 / 65536 = 16715.3203125
11:36 mod6 i went back to my linux output entropy files to see about the 'ff fd' thing; I'm really jammed up on openbsd. and that's a different side-quest we can discuss later. but now i'm wondering about the flow-control/output from collections done on linux
11:36 asciilifeform !~calc 1372938752 / 65536
11:37 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 1372938752 / 65536 = 20949.3828125
11:37 asciilifeform !~calc 1190905856 / 65536
11:37 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 1190905856 / 65536 = 18171.78125
11:37 asciilifeform ^ expected values for count of a bioctet, in your case 'ff fd'
11:38 asciilifeform nothing particularly interesting here.
11:38 asciilifeform ( if there were, you would fail dieharder's 'birthdays' test at the very least. )
11:38 mod6 got it.
11:39 asciilifeform sorta the point of 'ent', 'dieharder', etc. is so as not to have to do these by hand.
11:39 asciilifeform but it helps to remember what the idea is.
11:39 mod6 makes sense, i think it was worth covering this though -- wanted to be sure that I have one solid test-bed.
11:40 asciilifeform the perhaps worst 'test' ~of a working rng in particular~ is to look at the hex with naked eye
11:40 asciilifeform you will see 'dragons in the clouds'.
11:40 mod6 so back to the bsd-side-quest.... i built `coreutils 8.21' on my openbsd box. now have `gdd` on there. which has a 'fullblock' iflag.
11:40 asciilifeform mod6: try plain old 'cat'
11:41 asciilifeform if your cat disconnects -- you have flowcontrol on.
11:41 asciilifeform and are getting liquishit.
11:41 asciilifeform if it happily hangs on for minutes, hours, days -- it probably works.
11:41 asciilifeform cat /dev/whatever > foo.bin &
11:42 mod6 ok. am trying. will report.
11:44 mod6 (running ./hist.py against my FG#1 output files...)
11:44 asciilifeform these from linux or bsd ?
11:44 asciilifeform plz to describe the entire setup
11:53 mod6 im running the ./hist.py on a linux environment amd64
11:53 asciilifeform yes but where was the input collected
11:53 asciilifeform and how
11:54 mod6 check my previous paste
11:54 asciilifeform ( 'fg plugged into usb hub powered from wall 5v plug, amd crapteron 7.7ghz running shithead linux' etc
11:54 asciilifeform )
11:54 asciilifeform aite
11:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664123 << this ?
11:55 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 15:35 mod6: but take a look at these results from FG#1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lGnuD/?raw=true
11:55 mod6 root@trb-dev:/home/mod6/fg1# stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok
11:55 mod6 root@trb-dev:/home/mod6/fg1# dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 of=fg1.fg1.bin
11:55 asciilifeform yes, but this did not tell me ~on what~
11:55 mod6 yeah, they were collected on linux as such ^
11:55 asciilifeform ok
11:55 mod6 yup, np.
11:56 mod6 running next hist.py.. one sec.
11:56 * asciilifeform does not recommend the histogram thing as a firstline test, it was written as diagnostic to ferret out broken os
11:56 asciilifeform y'know, the kind that drop specific octets.
11:56 mod6 and yah, this setup is without usbhub.
11:57 mod6 it's USB-TTL direct plugged into machine, wired with the 5v, out, & gnd
11:57 asciilifeform btw if mod6 wants a mega-useful sequel to his tests, he can buy a https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/008236/008236128024.jpg and try battery run
11:58 asciilifeform ( 6v is entirely ok )
11:58 asciilifeform ( be sure to tie together the battery-minux and the ground on the usb dongle )
11:58 asciilifeform *minus
11:59 asciilifeform fwiw i did a 1G of this on ~one~ particular unit and found no significant differences
11:59 asciilifeform but asciilifeform has somewhat unusually clean (double-converting sinusoid ups) power
12:00 mod6 instead of the battery pack, can I just use my Dr. Meter DC PS?
12:00 asciilifeform nope
12:00 asciilifeform you want specifically guaranteed-nonrippling dc
12:00 asciilifeform which only comes out of battery.
12:00 asciilifeform (which has no physical means of rippling)
12:01 mod6 isn't that what the Dr. Meter does? you set it to 5v and it's g2g. i've verified with multimeter (Fluke) that it does spit out what it says it spits out.
12:01 asciilifeform by same token your comp is also 'ideal dc'
12:02 asciilifeform the other factor, aside from ac mains ripple , is rf ( from the power path being of any appreciable length ) from environment
12:02 mod6 but the battery cell is somehow better for this test?
12:02 mod6 ah. hmm. ok
12:02 asciilifeform even supposing desk ps supplied ideal dc -- still yes : length of path.
12:02 asciilifeform aha.
12:03 mod6 gotcha, i'll look at getting one of those.
12:03 asciilifeform it is likely that you have one somewhere in the house already
12:03 mod6 here's the hist.py from FG1, run 2: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/04373/?raw=true
12:04 asciilifeform mod6: looks quite ordinary
12:05 asciilifeform now do it to what you got on the bsd box
12:05 asciilifeform (prepare barf bag)
12:05 mod6 ah. haha, ok.
12:06 mod6 cat is still running...
12:06 asciilifeform gotta compare samples of ~same size.
12:06 asciilifeform ideally.
12:06 mod6 looks like it got 20561 bytes
12:06 asciilifeform yeah definitely b0rked
12:06 mod6 shit, no python on here.
12:07 asciilifeform if box is misbauded, it will pick up a byte solely by accident, when it gets something that looks like it has the start and stop bits
12:07 asciilifeform every however many ppm
12:07 asciilifeform and it'll pick up something with most of the 1s stuck on.
12:07 mod6 hm. ok
12:08 mod6 here's the output from hist.py FG#1, run 3: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DwunV/?raw=true (on linux box)
12:09 asciilifeform http://man.openbsd.org/ldattach.8 << try re flowcontrol on bsd
12:09 asciilifeform mod6: running these on items that already passed diehard is waste of time
12:09 asciilifeform it is specifically for diagnosing catastrophically broken setup
12:10 mod6 yup, just was gonna do those three. wont litter the logs any more with those.
12:10 mod6 will look at ldattach.8, thanks!
12:10 asciilifeform it's a 'wtf, ent thinks pi equals 2, wat gives' tool.
12:12 mod6 i think from this little exercise that I can conclude that my tests, on linux, did exactly what they should have done.
12:12 asciilifeform incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface
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12:12 asciilifeform ( usb is not a 'serial interface' at all but a massive tub of liquishit, with bookcase-sized spec )
12:13 asciilifeform 'synchronous serial' is simply a thing like rs232 but with 2nd pin, for clock, and then machine knows when to read off the bits.
12:14 asciilifeform it is how , e.g., ps/2 kbd/mouse port worked. ( however it was never turned into a general-purpose item )
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12:19 jurov iirc rs232 does support optional clock signal?
12:19 asciilifeform handshake (flow control)
12:19 asciilifeform not same thing
12:19 asciilifeform it still 'cares' what the baud rate is
12:19 asciilifeform true synchronous bus -- does not.
12:20 asciilifeform ( async-with-handshake simply does 'if i don't get handshake, i won't send' )
12:21 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/01/car-shopping-buy-used-or-lease-new/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Car shopping? Buy used or lease new??
12:22 asciilifeform coming next: benjie-ignition-light-fireplace-or-light-cigar !1111
12:23 asciilifeform 'The newest Lexusesiv in particular have the most (Hashem-) forsaken hvac/audio computer systems WITH A MOUSE.' << lol!!!
12:23 asciilifeform where does mouse pad go, pete_dushenski ?
12:23 asciilifeform on steering wheel ??
12:29 pete_dushenski you joke but laptop-style 'mousepads' are the next 'big thing' in automotive interior design. they're generally placed aft of the gear shifter in the horizontal area of the centre console.
12:29 pete_dushenski and lmao benjie ignition indeed
12:30 asciilifeform does it also keyboard
12:30 asciilifeform so you can ctrl-alt-del
12:30 jurov butt joystick
12:31 asciilifeform ^ these are commercial items! just ask bigphysics-pr-man hawking
12:34 pete_dushenski seats already have built-in massage (shiatsu!) so no reason not to used relaxed butt muscle for quantum thinking
12:36 pete_dushenski worx great because plebs don't use keyboards anyways. too ON THE GOGOGO. because mobility-oriented donchaknow.
12:37 trinque mouse pad holy shit.
12:37 trinque I will never buy a car that has enough computer in it to use such a thing.
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12:37 asciilifeform trinque: that's what 1980s folx said re fuel injection
12:37 pete_dushenski this is actualy the legacy of the whole gay right movement innit : everyone and their dog is *-oriented. such human social progress this advent.
12:37 asciilifeform eventually you either buy it or learn to machine parts for your vintage auto.
12:37 trinque apparently I'm going to have to stockpile <=2010 tundras next to my g5 macs
12:38 asciilifeform i know a fella who owns hundreds of 1950s-70s autos
12:38 asciilifeform but nobody collects 2000s, afaik, pieces o'shit.
12:38 asciilifeform not maintainable.
12:38 trinque incorrect. 2000s toyota tundras are beastly, reliable machines
12:39 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: au contraire http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/28/the-contemporary-classic-car-phenomenon-explained/
12:39 asciilifeform ( you will get new comp for them where ? new chemical sensors ? )
12:39 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: speaking here of street, rather than race, cars
12:39 asciilifeform the kind that get inspected & licensed
12:39 pete_dushenski these are!!1
12:40 asciilifeform trinque did mention toyota, not mclauren.
12:40 trinque these I don't know why anyone would buy, unless he has the money to buy the manufacturer when he wants something.
12:41 pete_dushenski anyways, parts are plentiful, just at a more macro level (ie whole gauge cluster) because microparts fizzle (like my gpu this week actually)
12:41 asciilifeform trinque: my thought was that if you want that toyota to run in 2040 you will probably have to buy the factory that made the, e.g., oxygen sensors, ignition comp, whatever digital crud (and its analogue tendrils) that the thing demands in order to run
12:41 asciilifeform unless you want to fit a 1980s motor in there.
12:41 asciilifeform (cuba-style)
12:42 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 'parts plentiful' while junkyard still has'em, and then suddenly goes to 0
12:43 pete_dushenski that's easily 3-4 decades though
12:43 trinque but it's a fair point; you'll otherwise have to buy the coke machine on wheels
12:43 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: 3-4 decades of 'at any price' availability, likely. probably no more than 1-2 at economical-price.
12:44 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: but you did shift the goalposts a fair but there : 'inspected & licensed' quickly became 'only toyota'. problem ?
12:44 asciilifeform ( one that doesn't drive you to consider a new auto )
12:44 pete_dushenski omg be less poor then
12:44 pete_dushenski IT SOLVES EVERYTHING
12:44 trinque look in 2040, if bitcoin doesn't sling enough dick that there are sane parts to be had, better seppuku
12:44 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: i can't comment on the autos of 'less poor' folx, never bought mclauren parts.
12:44 trinque sane whole machines even
12:44 asciilifeform but i have scrapped autos when parts replacement became -ev
12:45 pete_dushenski trinque: bingo.
12:45 asciilifeform ordinary, workaday plebe autos.
12:45 asciilifeform trinque: mechanical expiration date of bitcoin-as-we-have-it is well earlier.
12:46 trinque really meant $republic there.
12:46 pete_dushenski could be $ethereum! which has HALF the market cap of bitcoin donchaknow
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12:46 trinque oh christ, no, I didn't mean that
12:46 trinque lol
12:46 pete_dushenski haha
12:48 pete_dushenski wtf kind a braindeads are pumping eth to these levels anyways. do govs really have that much fiat left to wash trade with ?
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12:49 trinque fiat-demonimated "market cap" can be whatever fiat says, eh?
12:49 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it's called printolade for a reason...
12:50 mod6 yah, usgprintolade => eth
12:52 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: see paste in earlier thread, re your bsd box
12:52 pete_dushenski !~google printolade
12:52 jhvh1 pete_dushenski: The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/>; NEXT: 26-02-2016 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/%3Fdate%3D26-02-2016>; Trilema - Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2016-04-01-logs-trilema.txt>
12:53 * pete_dushenski wonders what was etymology of 'printolade'. it's a great term!1
12:53 asciilifeform well, it's crapolade that comes out of a printer
12:55 pete_dushenski lol that then begs the questions where 'crapolade' came from
12:55 pete_dushenski all these from asciilifeform 's fertile mind ?
12:55 asciilifeform i won't take credit for crapolade ( picture marmalade from liquishit, say ) but have nfi where heard it.
12:58 phf naggum?
12:58 asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=crapolade&sort=of << not afaik
12:59 asciilifeform imho the correct implication, is excrement-packaged-for-human-consumption, rather than just any ol' pile-o'shit
13:00 * trinque figured it came straight from asciilifeform's nightmares
13:00 asciilifeform from daily life, unfortunately.
13:01 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: this the paste you're refering to for bsd box ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664112
13:01 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 15:27 asciilifeform: mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ihPkP/?raw=true
13:02 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: aha, see entire thread.
13:02 pete_dushenski just catching up on it
13:08 pete_dushenski bbl
13:18 asciilifeform unrelatedly, and continuing thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664215 -- it'd make print-rsakey-on-cardboard simpler, also, to read off
13:18 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 16:12 asciilifeform: incidentally it is imho maddening that pc never standardized a SYNCHRONOUS serial interface
13:18 asciilifeform ( put spiral down, with clock and data tracks, read with 2 photodiodes and spindle similar to record player )
13:19 asciilifeform imho a means of reliably reading 16 or so kBytes from a business card, would be quite useful.
13:19 asciilifeform ( and, importantly , optically, rather than promisetronically )
13:20 asciilifeform it'd be even more jawdroppingly spiffy if i could get 16kB cut into a rubber stamp !
13:20 asciilifeform ( such that it'd be READABLE 100% of the time )
13:23 asciilifeform ROMs readable (and if you ever must : WRITABLE) with unarmed eye, and bare hands, respectively, are a long-term must, imho.
13:25 asciilifeform will be quite handy for mass dissemination of 'illegal bits' when time comes.
13:37 asciilifeform http://blog.liw.fi/posts/qr-backup << state of the art unsatisfying, because no raptor code
13:38 asciilifeform ( ideally you oughta be able to smudge most of the image and still recover payload )
13:40 asciilifeform in other vintage lulz, https://pthree.org/2014/08/18/whats-the-matter-with-pgp
13:41 asciilifeform ^ surprisingly nonidiotic response to a popular schneierism going around at the time
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13:42 Framedragger https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious/ mr. maciej acquires delicious, i like dis.
13:43 asciilifeform lol, delicious?! the ancient bookmark-storage thing no one's used in ~decade ?!
13:43 * Framedragger has > 3k bookmarks on delicious
13:43 Framedragger yepyep.
13:43 Framedragger "As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon. Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web."
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13:44 * asciilifeform thought that it had long ago disappeared without a trace
13:44 trinque archiving it would've been cheaper.
13:44 Framedragger related (longer article) https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/03/anatomy_of_a_crushing/
13:45 asciilifeform doesn't load
13:45 Framedragger i think he had some sentiments for delicious users, + perhaps expects some of them to migrate to his paid service. who knows
13:45 asciilifeform ( which is extra lulzy for folx who want me to pay'em to store my bits !! )
13:46 Framedragger loads fine here... root cert is "USERTrust RSA" CA, then gandi
13:46 Framedragger !$getarchive https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/03/anatomy_of_a_crushing/
13:46 scriba Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/jpma (this was archived by scriba: yes)
13:47 Framedragger (hm, "archived by scriba" should say "no", will investigate)
13:47 Framedragger !$getarchive https://blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious/
13:47 scriba Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/cRADs (this was archived by scriba: yes)
13:48 Framedragger asciilifeform: oh, or did you mean delicious.com? yeah seems offline
13:54 Framedragger not sure if delicious.com was acquired (maybe only del.icio.us). anyway, sorry for spam
13:56 asciilifeform i must admit that i dun see the appeal, Framedragger
14:03 asciilifeform continuing the optical code thing, i have a possible pill :
14:03 asciilifeform if you make a ~two~-diode reader, you can make it ignore 'unstraight' (from its pov) bars. and this opens you up to a method :
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14:04 asciilifeform take payload, cut into J pieces, which turn into K, K > J raptorola packets ( each with simple checksum, so machine can ignore smudges ) ;
14:04 asciilifeform these are scattered randomly onto the page at random angles, can even overlap.
14:04 asciilifeform reading simply consists of waving the wand across the page, in various directions, for as many swipes as it takes.
14:05 asciilifeform !!up pauloio
14:05 deedbot pauloio voiced for 30 minutes.
14:07 ben_vulpes heftily neat idea asciilifeform
14:07 jurov http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ might fit 16kB
14:07 ben_vulpes girthy, even
14:07 jurov but not using rubber stamp
14:07 asciilifeform useless
14:07 asciilifeform ~0 redundancy, and insists on high res
14:08 asciilifeform EXACTLY opposite of what it want
14:08 asciilifeform any idiot can make this.
14:08 asciilifeform *i wanted
14:08 asciilifeform 'hurr durr turn each bit into pixel' mno.
14:09 asciilifeform if you can't put it on rubber stamp -- it sux. if can't print on business card in b&w -- useless. if won't read after a week glued to a light pole -- useless. if won't read after bullet hole in it -- useless. etc
14:14 asciilifeform a business card printed on a very spartan (100 'dpi' ) press , gives what, 350 x 200 b&w pixels ;
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14:14 asciilifeform !~calc 350*200 / 8
14:14 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 350*200 / 8 = 8750
14:15 asciilifeform bytes
14:15 asciilifeform in theory
14:15 asciilifeform and it has 2 sides, so x2
14:15 asciilifeform after , say, 1/4 redundancy,
14:15 asciilifeform !~calc 8750*2 * 0.75
14:15 jhvh1 asciilifeform: 8750*2 * 0.75 = 13125
14:15 asciilifeform kBytes ! of theoretical capacity
14:16 ben_vulpes notbad!
14:16 asciilifeform ikr?
14:17 ben_vulpes neat tradecraft device
14:17 asciilifeform plenty of room for a 8192bit rsa pubkey, say, and a little bit of signed material, and sig
14:17 asciilifeform say.
14:18 asciilifeform if storing less -- can put in correspondingly moar redundancy.
14:19 asciilifeform or can leave one side for human text.
14:19 mod6 cool
14:19 asciilifeform pretty basic, mod6
14:19 asciilifeform and imho one ought to have graffitiable pubkeys.
14:20 asciilifeform ( fuck 'fingerprints' with a running pole saw . )
14:20 mod6 haha
14:23 ben_vulpes and how
14:23 shinohai !!up pauloio
14:23 deedbot pauloio voiced for 30 minutes.
14:28 asciilifeform the mega-achievement would be not only to encode these, but to read WITHOUT a high end camera & special optics
14:29 asciilifeform but rather with 'ancestral' (photodiode or two) stick.
14:29 asciilifeform to move the complexity into proggy.
14:29 * shinohai has old cmos camera around here somewhere ....
14:30 asciilifeform shinohai: they're ~useless at the necessary distance, typically.
14:31 shinohai Bummer
14:39 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664218 << ps/2 yeah. what dfo you mean not general purpose ?
14:39 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 16:14 asciilifeform: it is how , e.g., ps/2 kbd/mouse port worked. ( however it was never turned into a general-purpose item )
14:39 asciilifeform doesn't really work for non-keyboard, non-mouse
14:40 asciilifeform ( there were attempts but pc arch made it very painful to do this )
14:40 asciilifeform you will notice, there is no /dev/ps2 you could 'cat' from on linux box.
14:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664239 << think of it more like "getting a car attached" than "buying".
14:40 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 16:37 trinque: I will never buy a car that has enough computer in it to use such a thing.
14:41 asciilifeform ealy macs, interestingly, actually had synchronous serial.
14:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this never occured to me somehow
14:41 asciilifeform *early
14:41 mircea_popescu wtf happened to ps2 jesus
14:41 asciilifeform nothing happened.. i have ps/2 jacks on my systems
14:41 * mircea_popescu still buys ps2 kbd/mouse to this day, but they;ve apparently become rare
14:42 asciilifeform they're a sweet dream to interface to/from microcontroller, also
14:42 asciilifeform quite unlike usb.
14:42 asciilifeform kHz bauds; protocol that fits on a napkin.
14:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664275 << and the fucktards actually say that with a straight5 face.
14:44 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 16:46 pete_dushenski: could be $ethereum! which has HALF the market cap of bitcoin donchaknow
14:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664279 << it's very easy to get a bunch of "consensus"-oriented, state-compliant dork with no money to agree to anything, no matter how nonsensical it is. it's not expensive, either, that's why said dorks are the wet dream of any socialism.
14:45 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 16:48 pete_dushenski: wtf kind a braindeads are pumping eth to these levels anyways. do govs really have that much fiat left to wash trade with ?
14:46 mircea_popescu and that's why stabbing them in the neck "for no reason" and "that was totally uncalled for" while they're riding the state car is the ~best way to serve the republic.
14:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22crapolade%22&page=3 << early usage, all alf.
14:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664313 << that also went nowhere, heh.
14:50 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 17:41 asciilifeform: ^ surprisingly nonidiotic response to a popular schneierism going around at the time
14:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664318 << this naive belief that the detritus of human horde existence has specific value per quanta is how most old jews (ie, nonstupiud, nonpoor, alone republicans, see http://trilema.com/the-pawnbroker ) finally spend (ie, return to the socialist empire) their accumulated capital.
14:54 a111 Logged on 2017-06-01 17:43 Framedragger: "As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon. Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web."
14:55 mircea_popescu it is a false notion. there is no value in the herds other than of usage. unless you're using the sheep, the libertards, to spin some wheel, they are 0, not epsilon.
14:56 Framedragger i think there was an altruistic / sentimental component, so the case cannot be reduced the above, which (on its own) of course stands (i.e. agree fully)
14:56 Framedragger to the*
14:58 mircea_popescu sure. by the time republican's lived his lifetime in exile without the republic, what's he to do ? pile it up and burn it all ?
14:58 mircea_popescu i confess was my intent.
14:59 mircea_popescu "oh, can't take it with you" "wanna bet ? fucking imbecile lazy schoolboy, oh what's the teacher gonna do, flunk all of us. you'd better fucking believe it, what!"
14:59 * asciilifeform never graduated to having this problem, and so never wasted cycles considering it, just as he does not stop to think 'game plan!111' of 'what do do when on mars'
15:00 asciilifeform *to do
15:00 mircea_popescu there are many blessings!
15:00 * Framedragger agrees. solitary republicanism not viable
15:01 Framedragger solitary and/or solipsistic (where person assumes there is no republic)
15:01 mircea_popescu something like that
15:01 asciilifeform Framedragger: it is viable only in the very restricted sense of the jp legend of the d00d who swallowed a stone ahead of his beheading so as to chip the sword
15:02 mircea_popescu ha. what an idea.
15:03 asciilifeform i suppose europe's equiv to this was the old story that marie & louis supposedly didn't shit for a week prior to heads-off
15:04 asciilifeform so as to make massive heap on the guillotine
15:04 mircea_popescu i never heard this one.
15:06 asciilifeform i have nfi where i got it
15:06 asciilifeform folk tale, is all.
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20:25 mod6 evenin'
20:30 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/06/01/the-ethereum-market-cap-fallacy/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Ethereum market cap fallacy.
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20:47 phf compiling cyrtex for plain tex, errors out. google gives
20:47 phf “e-TeX is assumed nowadays by everything other than 'pure' plain TeX. AS
20:47 phf such, the \numexpr primitive is used by some of the hyphenation patterns
20:47 phf built into the LaTeX format by babel. ” etc.
20:51 mod6 "In his paper, Pearson gave several interesting examples of the previous misuse of statistics; and he also proved that certain runs at roulette (which he had experienced during two weeks at Monte Carlo in 1892) were so far from the expected frequencies that odds against the assumption of an honest wheel were some 10^29 to one!"
20:52 mod6 -knuth, art of programming vol. 2. seminumerical algos
20:56 asciilifeform mod6: possibly earliest properly logical unmasking of sham rng
20:56 asciilifeform ( though... b. pascal might contend for the title )
20:57 asciilifeform phf: yes it's wormy
20:57 asciilifeform the maggots have been eating it for decades.
20:57 asciilifeform but you knew that.
20:58 phf right, i had reddit knowledge of it, but now i'm trying to get a nice hardcopy of a book that i only have in text, and i'm rapidly gaining tmsr knowledge of just how rotten it is
21:02 mod6 http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg-test.html
21:03 asciilifeform oh hey.
21:03 mod6 just throwing a matrix together of all the test data.
21:05 asciilifeform mod6: mind if i link to this from snsa?
21:06 mod6 not at all.
21:07 asciilifeform ty for this work, mod6
21:07 asciilifeform now if other FG-enabled folx would do same !
21:08 shinohai I am not exactly enabled yet but will be putting in the work asap
21:10 mod6 asciilifeform: np!
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21:29 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1529...4057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.247 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX)
21:29 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/30B7ED34A5F05D6223C5646476959197E06A6892D7A6AC59450E8972AF85B4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...2633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.247 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-247.members.linode.com. US TX)
21:42 asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com updated !
21:50 mod6 asciilifeform: cool!
21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
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21:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1609...9637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
22:00 mircea_popescu phf "nowadays" rapidly becoming ourdemocracy's chief dirty word.
22:06 mircea_popescu and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach.
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22:06 mircea_popescu the fucking chickens of the fucking democracy coops.
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22:27 * ben_vulpes on a particularly brutal gentoo quest
22:28 ben_vulpes buying a new video card just to slice a part of the possibility space off
22:29 ben_vulpes halfheartedly, entirely deflated dick in hand, bantuized the thing. worked, but...could not muster the spirit to continue with hardware so degraded
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23:15 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: plox to expand?
23:21 asciilifeform meanwhile!! http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg
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23:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whatddayamean 'bed always within physical reach'
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23:27 asciilifeform pr0n chix tend to photograph selves in... bed, newz at 11?
23:29 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: latest sojurn hung at "Booting the kernel."
23:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: describe on what
23:29 asciilifeform and which kernel
23:32 ben_vulpes intel i7, nvidia geforce 550 ti, and as for "which kernel" i do not properly know how to answer the question but built with CHOST="x86_64-gentoo-linux-gnu"
23:33 asciilifeform which bootloader?
23:33 ben_vulpes lilp
23:33 ben_vulpes lilo*
23:34 ben_vulpes VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" at least had the system booting, ="nouveau" hung as described
23:34 asciilifeform noveau afaik never worked.
23:34 ben_vulpes oh cool
23:34 asciilifeform ( at least on no iron asciilifeform ever tried )
23:34 asciilifeform there is no opendrivered gpu worth half a shit
23:35 asciilifeform if you want a crypto-capable box, ditch the nvidia (and the intel)
23:35 asciilifeform otherwise swallow the liquishit from vendor.
23:37 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664455 << lol : fireworks shop
23:37 a111 Logged on 2017-06-02 01:55 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC35128DD59E77D75796B3858277D83916208756EC53DDE60FB6E0961AA03157 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1633...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.176 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10160.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
23:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this is not strictly speaking a "hygenic" box
23:40 ben_vulpes but i have at least managed to rid myself of the apple dep
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