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01:38 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/09/from-the-round-house-on-sallys-pond/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - From the Round House on Sally’s Pond.
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07:08 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo iirc they actually get paid to show up.
07:10 mircea_popescu ie, there's an allowance the olympic lizzards make for each country to participate. many of them spend many times more on their teams ; but for shitholes from the country of africa it's actually lucrative in the sense of, pay fiddy bux to local derp to spend a week in a hotel for the first time in his life ; cash in on the olympic committee millionz.
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08:49 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/E7JJG << Delusion Update "Instead, Seaman noted, Classic is an “insecure orphan chain” being promoted in a way that would be illegal if Ethereum were a publicly traded company, which it could eventually be." and other lol
08:49 shinohai xD
09:04 jurov today is IPO, tomorrow is GLORY
09:16 BingoBoingo $b 1
09:24 deedbot http://qntra.net/2016/08/man-jailed-after-allegedly-spiking-utah-police-sergeants-lemonade/ << Qntra - Man Jailed After Allegedly Spiking Utah Police Sergeant's Lemonade
09:35 mircea_popescu ahahaha what.
09:35 mircea_popescu ethereum "publicly traded company" ? in what alternate universe.
09:36 BingoBoingo In the one where the entire thing turns into the DAO
09:36 mircea_popescu "david seaman, a crypto blogger". way to go. "nobody on a stick" etc.
09:37 mircea_popescu anyway, feel free to publish trash piece. derp has exactly no clue, EVERY single thing he says is remarkably stupid and pointedly wrong.
09:42 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/10/microsoft_secure_boot_ms16_100
09:44 mircea_popescu in the same vein, https://archive.is/wBF5w
09:58 thestringpuller asciilifeform: didn't you attend moosecon?
09:58 asciilifeform nope.
09:58 asciilifeform 'shmoocon'
09:58 thestringpuller $s moosecon
09:58 a111 1 results for "moosecon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moosecon
09:58 thestringpuller ah
09:59 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo can you identify this weed ? >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/whatisit.jpg
09:59 gribble The operation succeeded.
10:01 PeterL is that a weed or some kind of fruit?
10:04 mircea_popescu google sez : "best guess for this image is - plant. here are some similar : http://66.media.tumblr.com/4887210f21347503a1ab613ec36f4bd8/tumblr_n4fs4e3RRN1tz1qsho1_500.gif "
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10:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lel
10:34 asciilifeform PeterL: weed
10:34 asciilifeform with fruit.
10:34 asciilifeform and none of the reference material i have on the subj, features it.
10:34 * shinohai consults the voynich manuscript
10:35 mircea_popescu lol
10:36 asciilifeform http://www.isssource.com/fixing-an-internet-security-threat << moar 'black hole lulz'
10:36 asciilifeform this is the n-th time with the sequence number prediction thing, isnnit.
10:37 mircea_popescu and they're not giving it up, either.
10:39 asciilifeform https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/cao << orig. source apparently.
10:39 mircea_popescu ah nm, they're putting a large ack limit in conf so as to... BYPASS THE MAGIC NUMBERS BAKED IN.
10:39 asciilifeform 'In this paper, we report a subtle yet serious side channel vulnerability (CVE-2016-5696) introduced in a recent TCP specification. The specification is faithfully implemented in Linux kernel version 3.6 (from 2012) and beyond, and affects a wide range of devices and hosts. In a nutshell, the vulnerability allows a blind off-path attacker to infer if any two arbitrary hosts on the Internet are communicating using a TCP connection. Fu
10:39 asciilifeform rther, if the connection is present, such an off-path attacker can also infer the TCP sequence numbers in use, from both sides of the connection; this in turn allows the attacker to cause connection termination and perform data injection attacks. We illustrate how the attack can be leveraged to disrupt or degrade the privacy guarantees of an anonymity network such as Tor, and perform web connection hijacking. Through extensive experi
10:39 asciilifeform ments, we show that the attack is fast and reliable. On average, it takes about 40 to 60 seconds to finish and the success rate is 88% to 97%. Finally, we propose changes to both the TCP specification and implementation to eliminate the root cause of the problem.'
10:39 mircea_popescu lemme link to the previous instance of me losing it over this. where was it.
10:40 mircea_popescu something with file descriptors
10:40 asciilifeform iirc it was the db descriptors thing in trb.
10:41 mircea_popescu nono, some idiot/genius explaining how he "fixed" something or the other in kernel
10:41 mircea_popescu reecently.
10:44 * asciilifeform remembers thread, but unable to turn it up in the l0gz
10:45 asciilifeform 'implemented in Linux kernel version 3.6 (from 2012) and beyond' << emphasis.
10:45 mircea_popescu you recall ? was some foss "expert" blog article, in which he detailed some bugfixing he did, except it was of the nature of "i removed undigested corn kernel from shit on wall - all better now"
10:45 asciilifeform why no mention of WHO implemented ?
10:46 mircea_popescu heh.
10:50 asciilifeform the most galling thing is the VERY NOTION of a tcp that isn't porous. because tcp breaks BOTH of the two, as i found, iron rules of network sanity: 1) NOTHING TO RANDOS FOR FREE 2) NO OPERATIONS ON UNSIGNED INPUT
10:50 asciilifeform (quite arguably, (2) is redundant and subsumed in (1). but it defines what is a 'rando')
10:52 mircea_popescu speaking of "actionable steps towards better itnernet", do i have benchmarks yet ?
10:52 asciilifeform the only permissible operation on an unsigverified input is - constant-time sig verification.
10:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not quite yet.
10:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but current idea is, an instrumented gpg.
10:54 asciilifeform https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-August/001739.html << further lulz
10:54 asciilifeform 'Why was there no mention of the fact that running freebsd-update to install the fix for the bspatch advisory [SA-16:25] may actually expose users to the vulnerability?'
10:55 asciilifeform this, notice, is the same freebsd as was distributed with DEAD rng, for ~year
10:55 asciilifeform and the same one which threw out gcc in favour of crappleade, etc.
10:57 asciilifeform http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/europe/wandsworth-prison-drone-death/index.html << further lelz.
10:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^
10:59 asciilifeform 'The patch included in SA-16:25 is incomplete, and may still permit heap corruption. The patch included in the document dump is more complete. Why only a partial fix?' <<< ahahahahaha
11:04 mircea_popescu oh btw, apparently brasil can't keep drones out of stadiums, try as it might. there's always half dozen flkoating about, and the "heads of state" muppets in attendance might as well get used to it.
11:04 mircea_popescu their "security" moans as it will, but ultimately...
11:04 mircea_popescu new normal.
11:04 asciilifeform next: flying vuvuzelas.
11:07 mircea_popescu eminent application for both technologies, yes.
11:16 asciilifeform incidentally, a Useful Product Idea, plug-in replacement guidance module for popular flying toys, to pick arbitrary quiet frequency spread in a reasonably broad swatch of spectrum, when remote is paired with toy, rather than the current 'legal' jammable idiocy.
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11:18 mircea_popescu aha.
11:18 asciilifeform and, also incidentally, a 64GB+ sdcard weighs ~1g. so there is no reason whatsoever for the cipher not to be otp.
11:18 mircea_popescu quite.
11:18 jurov are there any engineers left capable of this? other than alf?
11:19 asciilifeform jurov: it's an undergrad-level project
11:19 mircea_popescu his question stands lol. gl finding an undergrad that's not an imbecile.
11:19 asciilifeform and for all i know, already done somewhere
11:19 mircea_popescu i'm having trouble finding phd's that aren't.
11:19 asciilifeform dig around.
11:20 jurov undergrads are content with reflashing tv dongle and listening to cops
11:20 asciilifeform rtlsdr ?
11:20 jurov yea
11:20 asciilifeform it's a fine thing. and if all you want is to ~receive~ in broad spectrum, it is light enough to fly.
11:25 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/6cQKA << doesn't this make one mildly curious ?
11:25 asciilifeform 'The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno' << lel
11:25 mircea_popescu ikr?
11:26 asciilifeform wtf is 'twitch' anyway
11:26 asciilifeform screenshots thing ?
11:26 mircea_popescu a sort of youtube for obnoxiously voiced dorks to stream their voice and upper-left efigy atop game video captures.
11:26 phf probably a live streaming service?
11:26 mircea_popescu it's a postmodern genre.
11:27 asciilifeform speaking of 'modern', http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/26/mt-gox-creditors-seek-trillions-where-there-are-only-millions.html
11:27 asciilifeform ^ somehow i missed.
11:27 mircea_popescu turns out it wasn't the tv making people stupid - people were stupid to begin with, tv fit like a glove. with its demise - the cowsies moo for a replacement. so they watch others play games.
11:30 phf i think i watched notch livecoding a wolfenstein clone in java on twitch. it was mildly entertaining, because he was writing everything from scratch (i.e. tick locked mainloop, ray casting onto an awt canvas, etc.)
11:31 mircea_popescu there is some legitimate space for this, in high performance rts type of games where watching a high ranked player play is very instructive.
11:31 mircea_popescu then average wowhead started doing it too, mostly for the pretense, and this is what gave us the lulz of
11:32 mircea_popescu $google "best paladin in the werld"
11:32 deedbot No results.
11:32 mircea_popescu and then it went downhill from there. like : http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/14/10767458/we-made-a-livestream-ignored-the-press-and-created-a-successful-indie
11:32 mircea_popescu random 15 hour rts nobody cares about come next week.
11:32 mircea_popescu rpg*
11:35 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ << best paladin! IN THE WORLD!
11:37 phf even in rts you want demos, rather than flat rendering
11:43 phf like i remember watching fps speed runs and tricks on youtube back when it started and it was wholy unsatisfying experience. you want to be able to fly around and look at trick from different directions to know what's going on. not to mention pro level duels, where half the info comes from sound, you want to be able to figure out what player B did that player A reacted to, so you have to pause, rewind, and switch to other player, to
11:43 phf grok things like "oh, it was armor pick up in this corridor, and let me see there's two exits, but the guy would be going for quad next, so he'll take exit 2, so naturally you want to intercept blah blah blah"
11:45 mircea_popescu myeah.
11:45 mircea_popescu the problem is that in the consumer "mind", easy always beats good.
11:52 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/oxcxe << in other "fiat is so much better than bitcoin" drama...
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12:21 asciilifeform http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-administrator-of-the-dark-webs-infamous-hacking-market-the-real-deal-has-vanished << moar tabloid lulz
12:25 asciilifeform from same rag, a gem for BingoBoingo, 'While lurking on a prepper discussion thread on Tea Party Community, a social network marketed as a conservative alternative to Facebook, I once saw a rousing discussion about navigating the tricky business of armed combat while confined to a mobility scooter. In that particular hypothetical scenario, individuals were discussing the best ways to kill NATO peacekeeping forces. These are real peop
12:25 asciilifeform le, and they live in your city.'
12:25 asciilifeform ( http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-used-to-write-apocalypse-survival-guides , confessions of pay-per-word spamola pinoy, supposedly )
12:27 mircea_popescu d;oh.
12:27 asciilifeform scooter!!1111
12:27 mircea_popescu nothing quite as lulzy as the libertard waking up to the cold reality that a) nobody likes him ; b) everyone wants him dead and, AND, paramountly, c) his "being nice" has exactly 0 impact on a and very slight impact on b.
12:28 asciilifeform the 'being nice' delusion is confined to a small set of ustardz
12:29 mircea_popescu not so small.
12:29 asciilifeform generally, the courtly kabuki nonsense caste
12:29 phf the progression from "feel the bern" to "Hillary just so it's not trump" to "ohmygod there's trump stickers everywhere outside of my panera bread plaza :o:o:o"
12:29 asciilifeform (womanities phd, managerial apparatchiks, etc.)
12:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's like 2/3 of the country yo.
12:30 asciilifeform 2/3 of lowell, mass., possibly.
12:30 asciilifeform not of country.
12:30 mircea_popescu the net result of a collection of idiots whose bills are paid by govt being... the collection itself.
12:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform black people are like 11.5%. of those, two thirds are wiggers, and the remainder just too obtuse to admit to it, wank it to "rap" and otherwise try to show up on time for work.
12:31 mircea_popescu most of the country. i tell ya.
12:32 mircea_popescu in other lulz : jsawk is like awk, but for json.
12:32 asciilifeform lolwut
12:32 mircea_popescu this spoon is like spoon, but for soup.
12:32 asciilifeform WHY
12:33 mircea_popescu because.most.of.the.country.
12:33 mircea_popescu that's why.
12:35 ben_vulpes oh oh! relatedly. jq doesn't do ints. floats only. cuz reezuns.
12:36 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: there are no ints in js.
12:36 asciilifeform period.
12:37 phf i know there are all these asm.js extensions that add uint32 and such
12:37 ben_vulpes in json you mean? or are you talking about the jslib 'jquery'?
12:37 asciilifeform javascript.
12:37 mircea_popescu the language ben_vulpes
12:37 phf ben_vulpes: stock javascript doesn't have integers.
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12:37 ben_vulpes 'jq' is this mostly-c-thinger that parses json.
12:37 ben_vulpes i mean hey that's pretty amusing as well, that js doesn't have ints.
12:38 phf ben_vulpes: json also doesn't have integers
12:38 phf ben_vulpes: http://json.org/number.gif
12:39 ben_vulpes everything is so gross
12:39 ben_vulpes "but you can just staple a bunch of digits together and make an int, right? RIGHT?"
12:40 PeterL why not just use strings of ints, it's the same thing, right?
12:42 phf ben_vulpes: well, json integer is number without fractional part, but from my reading of "standard" it's not mandatory to treat number as such. as far as numerics it has type "number", which is up to client to interpret. here on rum island we do not believe in rum
12:42 mircea_popescu lol
12:45 ben_vulpes hah!
12:46 asciilifeform i suppose this here is the kind of 'standard' that makes mircea_popescu reach for his pistol when he hears word 'standard'.
12:47 mircea_popescu fine example.
12:47 phf everything i need to know about javascript i learned from mochikit, which was written by a bunch of sane hackers back before "javascript library" was a thing. ~first~ thing they implemented is comparator, iterator and printer protocols (they gave up on numerics as braindead). because javascript doesn't have those. they were also the last ones who even bothered to.
12:48 asciilifeform https://libraries.mit.edu/archives/exhibits/purse << related.
12:49 asciilifeform 'In 1921 the management of Arthur D. Little, Inc., of Cambridge, Mass., issued a small report describing the methods employed by the firm's chemists to create "silk" from pork byproducts. The idea behind this surprising and not very practical experiment was to prove that something said to be impossible was, with sufficient effort and ingenuity, attainable. As the report notes, the old adage "you can't make a silk purse of a sow's ear
12:49 asciilifeform " had been used for years to discourage inventiveness and enterprise. "We resolved...to prove that it was false, and we have done so. We have made a silk purse of a sow's ear."'
12:49 asciilifeform same folks who floated a... lead balloon.
12:50 mircea_popescu the lead balloon i believe. trivial fluid dynamics.
12:50 mircea_popescu the silk however i do not.
12:50 * asciilifeform has not attempted replication
12:51 mircea_popescu fibroin is part of insect metabolism ; not really part of mammals.
12:52 PeterL it's just a protein, you could get the amino acid building blocks from pigs and synthesize it
12:52 mircea_popescu it's glycine-alanine polymer.
12:52 mircea_popescu you can make it synthetically at considerable cost ; but not really out of sow's ear.
12:53 PeterL chemically digested and separated pigs ear - debatable wether that would still be a pig ear
12:53 asciilifeform according to their article ( https://libraries.mit.edu/archives/exhibits/purse/index1.html ) it was simply protein glue, pumped through extruder, and 'silk' only in appearance.
12:53 shinohai http://archive.is/IGghR <<< hilarious, "we get 0% loan from you, the customers!"
12:54 asciilifeform shinohai: blank page
12:54 mircea_popescu PeterL sow-killed-and-fed-to-mulberry-tree-leaves-fed-to-silkwork silk purse from pig ear prolly dun qualify.
12:54 shinohai http://archive.is/aIGqw
12:55 asciilifeform ^ largely unreadable
12:55 PeterL see also most labels of materials "made from natural products" listed as a selling point
12:55 shinohai lemme resubmit, snapshillbot is failing me
12:56 asciilifeform PeterL: about as precious as a dry cleaning shop i walked by once, advertising the use of 'strictly organic solvents!'
12:56 shinohai fuck, here's the page https://www.bitfinex.com/bfx_token_transfers
12:57 PeterL carbon tetrachloride is an organic solvent, they don't lie
12:58 PeterL I would never use an inorganic solvent like dihydrogen monoxide to clean clothes!
12:59 mircea_popescu water is organic innit ?
12:59 PeterL no carbons
12:59 mircea_popescu (organic = "any compound of these elements")
12:59 mircea_popescu oh it has to have carbon ? so co is organic ; h20 inorganic ?
12:59 asciilifeform traditionally implies a C.
13:00 mircea_popescu my definition was "any compound of elements from this list".
13:00 PeterL organic === has carbon (except carbon monoxide and dioxide are considered inorganic)
13:00 asciilifeform take it up with wohler, not me.
13:00 mircea_popescu well so then no === more like ~=
13:00 mircea_popescu is HCl organic ?
13:00 PeterL depends on your symbol table, neh?
13:01 PeterL HCl is inorganic, it has Cl not C
13:01 mircea_popescu oic how it is
13:01 mircea_popescu regexp-unfriendly!
13:01 PeterL chemistry was invented before regex
13:02 PeterL at least they switched to alphabetic chemical symbols instead of the weird ones they used in alchemy
13:02 mircea_popescu there is that...
13:02 asciilifeform PeterL: did they ever actually update the Official chirality rules to accomodate 6,6-chiralane ?
13:03 asciilifeform which, recall, has no chiral centres, yet is chiral.
13:03 asciilifeform broke quite a few proggies.
13:03 mircea_popescu im guessing the cno cycle is also organic.
13:03 mircea_popescu this incidentally might make the basis for an excellet sf piece. a sentient star!
13:03 PeterL chirality centers are just a trick of the imagination to help students, the chirality property is actually of the whole molecule (or so one of my professors tried to explain to me once)
13:04 mircea_popescu cno cycle playing the role of citric acid cycle in mammals.
13:05 asciilifeform PeterL: well yes, the non-superimposability of the thing when rotated through 4th d. on itself.
13:06 asciilifeform PeterL: but the traditional heuristic was that no compound can be chiral unless it has one or more chiral centres.
13:06 asciilifeform (C with 4 non-identical substituents.)
13:07 asciilifeform http://www.chem.ucalgary.ca/courses/350/Carey5th/Ch07/ch7-3.html << the nonsense is still, apparently, taught.
13:07 asciilifeform as it was taught to me.
13:08 PeterL there are a few organometalic that are tricky because they have sort of "chiral surfaces" instead of points, there are some interesting examples out there
13:10 PeterL I seem to remember there are things like F-HC=C=CH-F which are chiral too
13:10 PeterL Might need to be F-HC=C=CH-Cl
13:11 asciilifeform http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.graphs.html << for n00bz
13:11 asciilifeform 'The central atom is an undistorted tetrahedral sp3-hybridized carbon bearing four rigorously identical homochiral substituents. [6.6]Chiralane has all the direct rotational symmetries of the regular tetrahedron, but none of its mirror symmetries or higher order improper symmetries.'
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14:03 mircea_popescu $up sedition
14:03 deedbot sedition voiced for 30 minutes.
14:04 sedition Thanks much. Saw the channel on NoSuchlAbs and thought I would idle for a bit.
14:06 jurov https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity16/technical-sessions/presentation/svenda
14:06 jurov "The Million-Key Question—Investigating the Origins of RSA Public Keys"
14:07 jurov ^ analyse distribution of primes and moduli
14:10 mircea_popescu sedition consider registering your pgp key with deedbot.
14:10 asciilifeform guess who and what isn't once mentioned, trololololol.
14:10 asciilifeform in that usenix paper.
14:11 mircea_popescu doesn't load.
14:11 sedition mircea_popescu: Noted. Thanks much for the info.
14:11 mircea_popescu https://archive.is/ihgcT < likeso.
14:12 asciilifeform https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity16/sec16_paper_svenda.pdf << subj.
14:12 mircea_popescu no ty.
14:13 asciilifeform dump it to a printer, there is some lulz re obviously braindamaged rng etc.
14:14 mircea_popescu i can't summon the interest. "vague discussion of a topic that previously didn't exist for reasons we won't discuss by people who aren't qualified to participate"
14:14 mircea_popescu what happened to the fucking magic rays now.
14:15 asciilifeform mega-psynetic powers, reading without reading.
14:16 asciilifeform there is discussion of the idiot high-bits-of-prime trimming, and the like.
14:16 mircea_popescu eh let them fix their broken http.
14:17 asciilifeform there is no html version of the thing.
14:17 asciilifeform to begin with.
14:18 mircea_popescu problem solved!
14:20 asciilifeform i'll say that this is the first not-wholly-plagiarized paper on subj since bernstein's.
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14:39 asciilifeform 'In the exceptional case of the Oberthur Cosmo Dual 72K cards, approximately 0.05% of the generated keys shared a specific value of prime q. The flaw was discovered in all three tested physical cards for both 512-bit and 1024-bit keys. The repeated prime value was equal to 0xC000...0077 for 512-bit RSA keys and 0xC000...00E9B for 1024-bit RSA keys. These prime values correspond to the first Blum prime generated when starting from the
14:39 asciilifeform value 0xC000...000 in each case.'
14:39 asciilifeform BUY MOAR DUMBCARDZ!1111
14:39 mircea_popescu do they actually give the value so you can add it ?
14:40 asciilifeform looks like above quote is enough to calculate it...
14:40 asciilifeform though we dun have any ssl certs in phuctor, so it is unlikely to pop any time soon.
14:41 mircea_popescu worth doing anyway.
14:41 asciilifeform definitely, and in the general case.
14:42 asciilifeform it is the kind of crumb i've been searching for.
14:42 asciilifeform thing is, the kind of case described above will phuctor naturally
14:43 asciilifeform without knob-turning
14:43 asciilifeform once the 0.05% end up in the hopper.
14:43 mircea_popescu there's also this
14:45 asciilifeform diddled pgptrons that shit out dupe primes are 'yesterday's' thing. i suspect that the state of the art involves rng that still gives each chumper a unique prime pair, but it can be calculated via some kleptographic clue.
14:55 asciilifeform oberthur, incidentally, is a gigantic vendor of 'payment chip, etc., various mass-market heathen crypto iron.
14:56 mircea_popescu and they obviously work.
14:56 asciilifeform goes right back to the 'soooo you won't spend yer money on konsoomer crud, terrorist? we'll HELP you'
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14:56 asciilifeform re cc fraud dynamics.
14:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-07#913418 << see also.
14:58 a111 Logged on 2014-11-07 05:25 asciilifeform: financial memory leak.
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15:57 mircea_popescu in other news, check out the epic eff site for spanish noobs : https://ssd.eff.org/es/module/como-usar-pgp-para-windows-pc
15:58 asciilifeform how is this a sadder sack than the english ver ?
15:59 mircea_popescu but it exists in spanish.
16:00 asciilifeform betcha it exists in swahili also.
16:01 asciilifeform one of the favourite, notice, wankages, is to Make Sure No Orc Misses The Light of Enlightenment
16:01 asciilifeform or however it goes.
16:03 mircea_popescu http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-10.log.html#t19:54:17 << quite useful on occasion.
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16:31 asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/kansas-couple-sues-ip-mapping-firm-for-turning-their-life-into-a-digital-hell << further floating point lulz
16:32 asciilifeform 'Technically, the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinates of the center spot are 39°50′N 98°35′W. In digital maps, that number is an ugly one: 39.8333333,-98.585522. So back in 2002, when MaxMind was first choosing the default point on its digital map for the center of the U.S., it decided to clean up the measurements and go with a simpler, nearby latitude and longitude: 38°N 97°W or 38.0000,-97.0000. As a result, for the la
16:32 asciilifeform st 14 years, every time MaxMind’s database has been queried about the location of an IP address in the United States it can’t identify, it has spit out the default location of a spot two hours away from the geographic center of the country...'
16:32 asciilifeform '...“countless” law enforcement officials and individuals turning up at their farm day and night looking for links to alleged theft and other supposed crime. '
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17:04 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: qntra snarfed a comment of mine containing a youtube link about a week back. just a heads up in case you're sifting through spam.
17:05 pete_dushenski ;;later tell davout wd on moving to mauritius. the few ppl i've met from there speak ~the~ mostly lovely, most noble french i've yet encountered. enjoy!
17:05 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:10 pete_dushenski http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37020906 << pretty sure this is how tesla started : "i have a wacko idea" said elon, "we have a whackload of fake paper money" said the obama.gov. whether 'transit elevated bus' has a 15-year++ scam in it remains to be seen, but it looks no worse than the endless miles of surface-level light rail transit edmonton is vapidly installing atm.
17:17 pete_dushenski https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/258723592/toasteroid-first-app-controlled-smart-image-toaste << and in other skamz. toasterdoodles!
17:18 asciilifeform can haz programmable branding iron for scamming derps ?
17:19 pete_dushenski they all carry iphones and wear chuck taylors and ray bans, how much more obvious can it be ?
17:19 asciilifeform i have nfi what 2 and 3 are
17:20 shinohai dafuq toasters?
17:20 asciilifeform http://www.kafka.org/index.php?aid=167 << obligatory.
17:20 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: an iphone is this calculator/telephone combo that's about the size of a deck of cards, the others are shoes and sunglasses, respectively :P
17:21 asciilifeform '...he pulled out a small leather folder and said, “Our sentence does not sound severe. The law which a condemned man has violated is inscribed on his body with the harrow. This Condemned Man, for example,” and the Officer pointed to the man, “will have inscribed on his body, ‘Honour your superiors.’” The Traveler had a quick look at the man. When the Officer was pointing at him, the man kept his head down and appeared to
17:21 asciilifeform be directing all his energy into listening in order to learn something. But the movements of his thick pouting lips showed clearly that he was incapable of understanding anything. The Traveler wanted to raise various questions, but after looking at the Condemned Man he merely asked, “Does he know his sentence?” “No,” said the Officer. He wished to get on with his explanation right away, but the Traveler interrupted him: “H
17:21 asciilifeform e doesn’t know his own sentence?” “No,” said the Officer once more. He then paused for a moment, as if he was asking the Traveler for a more detailed reason for his question, and said, “It would be useless to give him that information. He experiences it on his own body.”'
17:22 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: you missed the ipnoje-is-a-knife thread from a few days ago, didntcha.
17:23 pete_dushenski apparently
17:23 pete_dushenski was on holidays. not caught up on logz.
17:24 pete_dushenski didn't open laptop once in 6 days. barely kept up on a few emailz/sms on mobile.
17:25 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512283 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513157 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1513194
17:25 a111 Logged on 2016-08-01 18:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pnoje_pop.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pnoje_pop_moar.jpg
17:25 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 20:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gasbag.jpg << lulzy, old bloated cell from pnoje
17:25 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 21:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for bonus gross, the entire inside of the metal cup that comprises the body of the pnoje, is razor-sharp, literally you will not notice as it opens all of your fingers at once
17:25 phf (i fixed the order, i'm so happy about that)
17:25 pete_dushenski phf: nice
17:25 asciilifeform phf: yes, i noticed, worx great
17:26 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: caught the later tell about the bloat, missed the blade of death part. aha.
17:26 phf i have a new bot ready too, but i need some stretch where i can hand hold it if it starts acting up to switch
17:27 asciilifeform phf: neato
17:28 phf i need the bot in a fully autonomous state, for the week of burning man
17:29 phf will probably rig up some in-wot "hard reset" c&c
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17:29 pete_dushenski https://www.firstthings.com/article/2015/06/against-edenism << for anyone who wants to barf on peter thiel's bible-blasted philosophasty
17:29 asciilifeform somebody wake up danielpbarron ...
17:30 ben_vulpes subject of burning man, girl got a text last night
17:30 ben_vulpes "hey i'll be out of town from aug 25 through sept 6, so if you want to come down south and bring the bambino i'll fly y'all in"
17:30 ben_vulpes visiting gramma
17:30 pete_dushenski ;;later tell danielpbarron see ^^^ if you're looking for blog post fodder
17:30 gribble The operation succeeded.
17:30 ben_vulpes to which i "YES PLEASE GO"
17:30 asciilifeform what i'd like to know is why there is not a Freezing Man festival in, e.g., alaska.
17:31 asciilifeform i'd go.
17:31 phf asciilifeform: there is
17:31 * ben_vulpes rummages around for gas mask, loses interest
17:31 asciilifeform phf: eh looks like it's in nyc ?
17:31 mircea_popescu lmao! I BLAME PHF FOR FREENODE OUTAGE TOMORROW.
17:32 phf asciilifeform: frostburn, masontown, west virginia, in february
17:32 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: gotta update the mitm on webchat
17:32 shinohai You brought down webchat!
17:32 asciilifeform phf: these dun look like permafrost wastelands to me..
17:32 phf mircea_popescu: that's what i thought when i saw it too
17:33 phf asciilifeform: it was rough. nothing a frosty crust of sleeping bag as you're trying to get into it
17:33 phf *nothing like
17:34 mircea_popescu oic, ben_vulpes is going to be posting inebriated sluts pix while wife barefoots around the deep souths ?
17:36 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SlAzsXa7E << in other mad scientist dancing with bond rip-off while dancing a merry dance to a song having nothing to do with mongolians news
17:36 pete_dushenski ok, minus one of those 'dance's. twas too much.
17:37 pete_dushenski oh snap there's fresh honey from the rooftop beehive. bbs.
17:41 ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: more likely tell the mistress the wife demands the entire week and spend it in the lab.
17:43 phf лучше всего иметь и жену, и любовницу. жене сказал, что ушёл к любовнице, любовнице-что остаёшься с женой, а сам в кремль, работать, работать, и работать! -- lenin
17:43 asciilifeform ^
17:45 ben_vulpes mhm!
17:46 phf "it's best to have both wife and mistress. you tell wife, that you went to mistress, you tell mistress, that you're staying with wife, meanwhile -- to kremlin, work, work and work"
17:47 ben_vulpes yeah although i don't actually have a mistress
17:47 asciilifeform afaik neither did lenin
17:47 phf you only say that because your wife reads the log
17:49 ben_vulpes suremebbe
17:49 pete_dushenski lol
17:50 ben_vulpes dunno that i'd be willing to trade the time sink of mistressmgmt for the sweet relaxation of being brought beers and snacks on the hammock after biking home from work
17:50 pete_dushenski kremlin had advantage of no public log. oh rose tinted days were those.
17:50 * ben_vulpes is pathologically lazy
17:51 pete_dushenski are mistresses much to manage ? (open q to tmsr~)
17:52 ben_vulpes nonzero
17:52 ben_vulpes just showing up
17:52 ben_vulpes plus i don't know that i have the energy to disabuse another twenty something of a lifetime of miseducation again
17:52 pete_dushenski so too is dog, cat, goldfish, or what have you
17:53 pete_dushenski there's that. the meat in na needs a hell of a lot of tenderising
17:53 asciilifeform dunno, asciilifeform has pet that creates ~0 work
17:54 ben_vulpes paying attention to pets is work
17:55 ben_vulpes anything that is not sleep is work
17:55 ben_vulpes eating, thinking
17:55 phf salaryman is awake only for the benefit of bossman
17:55 phf salaryman sleeps also for the benefit of bossman, he's restoring strength
17:56 ben_vulpes "machine runs on human fat"
17:56 asciilifeform wasn't ben_vulpes an overseer over a buncha fat engines ?
17:56 phf "так, так, так!" - говорит пулеметчик, "так, так, так!" - говорит пулемет.
17:56 asciilifeform ^.
17:57 asciilifeform phf: iirc mircea_popescu quoted a ro version of this.
17:58 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aha
17:58 ben_vulpes fired everyone in a fit of pique after the pokelolz
17:58 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501930
17:58 a111 Logged on 2016-07-12 03:02 ben_vulpes: needless to say, everyone's fired.
17:59 asciilifeform how often this happens ?
17:59 pete_dushenski nuts.
17:59 ben_vulpes well, not entirely serious pete_dushenski
17:59 asciilifeform well if not - why not..?
17:59 asciilifeform how long's it take to get a new java monkey or what were they.
18:00 ben_vulpes had to find convenient excuses first!
18:00 asciilifeform they're what, union labour ?
18:00 asciilifeform what excuses.
18:00 ben_vulpes everyone is union labor in usa
18:00 ben_vulpes "unemployment"
18:00 asciilifeform mno.
18:00 pete_dushenski 'short of work'
18:01 ben_vulpes eh, not really * monkey. more paratroopers to parachute into whatever and take arbitrary pillboxen.
18:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo can you identify this weed ? >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/whatisit.jpg << Yucca, often intentionally grown as an ornamental.
18:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no ?
18:02 asciilifeform yucca dun have the fruit thing
18:03 asciilifeform looks nothing like it
18:03 asciilifeform or...
18:03 asciilifeform hm.
18:04 asciilifeform yucca filamentosa ?
18:05 BingoBoingo yucca makes that fruit
18:06 BingoBoingo Anyways roots far too deep to dig. Responds to glyphosate. Responds very quickly to glyphosate/triclophyr mix often sold as "poison ivy" killer.
18:07 asciilifeform is that thing any good to eat ?
18:07 phf ben_vulpes: did you really? :o
18:09 ben_vulpes phf: yeah, p. sick of services biz.
18:09 phf we had to get rid of entire support department for being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM it was highly amusing to observe the chaotic legal flailing that followed
18:11 phf "i want 40 days of outstanding pto" "your own calendar says you took 60 days already, so you should be paying us" "..."
18:11 asciilifeform l0l!!
18:11 ben_vulpes > because i have no shame or self-awareness!
18:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I dunno, but I accidentally defeated two of the things last year with overspray from actual target weed.
18:11 ben_vulpes oh god
18:11 ben_vulpes so painfully true
18:12 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it isn't even in my yard, or on my street, but i do walk by it occasionally and think 'cucumber'
18:12 asciilifeform or rather, 'zombie cucumber', which i initially misidentified it as
18:12 phf ben_vulpes: that video is now the prism through which i see majority of millennials. our support team were literally like this, down laugh, awkwardness, and the painful "whiteness".
18:12 asciilifeform (datura stramonium)
18:12 pete_dushenski http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2016/08/08/thermostats-can-now-get-infected-with-ransomware-because-2016/ << lol. "gimme your money, punk, or you'll never see your precious a/c again!"
18:14 pete_dushenski thermostat ransomware is sure to be a hit everywhere other than san fran where it's 20c year-round
18:14 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: ransomware on a fiddybux machine ?
18:15 asciilifeform that stores, what, 7 bits of user input , ever ?
18:15 ben_vulpes > I'll stay because i'm full of unearned confidence!
18:15 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 'nest' is like $330
18:16 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: and has no reset button ?
18:16 pete_dushenski doubtful
18:16 asciilifeform lel
18:19 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: qntra snarfed a comment of mine containing a youtube link about a week back. just a heads up in case you're sifting through spam. << Youtube disallowed, too far in the past to dig out of anywhere. Resubmit.
18:21 phf "no external links unless they are in mp's host file"
18:21 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: all good. couldn't have been that important.
18:23 pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-02/samsung-unveils-iris-reading-note-7-to-keep-apple-at-a-distance << as per asciilifeform's prediction
18:24 pete_dushenski "The iris-scanning technology, which relies on an infrared camera lens mounted on the front of the phone, can also be used to unlock a secure folder within the Android operating system. Users can store sensitive documents and apps in the directory, which remain encrypted even if the phone is unlocked. Iris-detection is fast, identifying a registered face and unlocking the device in less than a second duri
18:24 pete_dushenski ng a demonstration in London."
18:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512625 << oblig
18:24 a111 Logged on 2016-08-02 00:52 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/einsatzgruppen_jewdetector.png
18:24 pete_dushenski lol that.
18:25 pete_dushenski but for konsoomer!
18:25 pete_dushenski nao moar aksesabel
18:25 pete_dushenski buttsexable too
18:26 ben_vulpes phf: fired whole department? well done
18:26 ben_vulpes ideally you want to hang on to 2 or 3 of the meekest so they can tell the story to the next round of draftees
18:27 ben_vulpes "take more than a week of your PTO and they FIRE THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT!"
18:30 phf nah, they were all pampered, a kindness they took for weakness. next round will simply be on tighter specs-- "clock in/clock out", "this many days off", etc.
18:33 phf one guy was convinced we'll let him open a uk department (he's ~support~, answers tickets, but has a degree in business something or other), wouldn't let the thought go even after told no multiple times. he would schedule meetings on behalf of company with various uk foundations, etc. he had a meeting with richard branson as part of handful "young entrepreneurs", to talk about, yes, moving the company to uk.
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18:34 phf there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people, that even video above doesn't fully do justice
18:34 ben_vulpes whoa that last tidbit sounds insanely familiar
18:36 ben_vulpes lol ofc it was in the logs
18:37 ben_vulpes yeah nuts these kids
18:37 phf possibly because i might've ranted about it before. anyway, gate gate paragate..
18:38 ben_vulpes and it's hysterical that i should say "these kids" because wtf i'm younger than many of the worst specimens i've met
18:40 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski> are mistresses much to manage ? (open q to tmsr~) << no. the whole point of the fucking mistress is that she's a negative management cost. she helps with the wife ; and if the wife's any good she helps with the mistress etc.
18:42 mircea_popescu phf the unending lulz of gunner being "pulemetchik" will never be explained.
18:42 mircea_popescu (literally, dicksfuckarounder or something)
18:42 phf a sort of lesser version of zeus
18:43 mircea_popescu check out BingoBoingo 's botanical experience!
18:44 mircea_popescu phf> ben_vulpes: that video is now << the logs prevail.
18:48 ben_vulpes how do mistress and wife mitigate each others management costs? is this one of those "well you put them in the same room and they just start eating each other out" things?
19:03 * pete_dushenski just learned in the most untimely way possible, in the midst of an unexpected rainshower apparently on his building and his building alone, that his lexus (jay) has 'feature' whereby remote unlock button is held and all windows incl. sunroof open simultaneously. and ofc, he'd sat on the button or something jit. quelle experiment!
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19:04 BingoBoingo <phf> "no external links unless they are in mp's host file" << Not quite, but basically no links to places spamzors like such as youtube/tumblr/etc without pretty pleasing an approval right after comment is submitted.
19:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes suppose woman is depressed. much more effectual for you + OTHER WOMAN to tell her a nice story
19:17 mircea_popescu than for you alone.
19:18 mircea_popescu and yes, they teach each other things ; if you're not fucking boring / mommy fixated, you'll end up with very different girls which makes it better.
19:24 mircea_popescu phf> there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people << they were never humiliated. it rots the brain. idiot literally imagines that just because he doesn't understand how the ocmpany is run, then therefore it's not run at all and there';s room for him to pretend it's like washington state cca 1916 and one gets to be mayor just for showing up, population 1 town.
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19:27 mircea_popescu "Technology means doing more with less. In the absence of technological progress, we end up with a zero-sum world, in which there must be a loser for every winner. It is not clear whether a capitalistic economic system could function without growth; and it is unlikely that a representative democracy, which requires the give-and-take of win–win compromise, would continue to function." << why hate on the guy ? other than the
19:27 mircea_popescu ludicrous doublespeak (really bitch, it's "win-win" ?), he has it exactly right :
19:27 mircea_popescu the delusion of growth is coming to an end and there's going to be a loser for every winner and a ravished maiden for every satisfied gunner.
19:29 ben_vulpes predicted in the ksr books
19:33 mircea_popescu moreover, who the fuck wants "actual things". will any sane lord trade lordship for ipad ? so that what, you can click on pictures of farms ? like a chicken ?
19:33 mircea_popescu this "trade power for fetish of power so we can fit more shiny happy faux people on the marble" was bullshit since day one.
19:34 mircea_popescu there's a good reason optimism and pedophilia appear indistinguishable in the afflicted, as this inexplicable, howling madness of unfathomable profundity.
19:35 mircea_popescu back at the ranch, i wish to make 10 dollars in a world where the peons make one ; and i specifically do not wish to make a hundred in a world where the peons make ninety. to say nothing of fucking equality ; let alone the hollywoodian imbecilism of lottery winners.
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20:10 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: (really bitch, it's "win-win" ?) << this, as it happens, it what specifically set off my bullshit alarm. i don't disagree that technology means doing more with less, nor with the place of religion in filling the materialistic voids created by modernity.
20:13 pete_dushenski http://archive.is/JjWoO << speaking of religion, latest taleb on the subj.
20:17 * pete_dushenski to the four winds
20:25 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1518036 << holy shit
20:25 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 22:33 phf: one guy was convinced we'll let him open a uk department (he's ~support~, answers tickets, but has a degree in business something or other), wouldn't let the thought go even after told no multiple times. he would schedule meetings on behalf of company with various uk foundations, etc. he had a meeting with richard branson as part of handful "young entrepreneurs", to talk about, yes, moving the company to uk.
20:29 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1518055 << didn't mircea_popescu have a spiffy article about how healthy male MUST try to fill available cracks, just as water fills a barrel ?
20:29 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 23:24 mircea_popescu: phf> there's some kind of massive delusion going with these people << they were never humiliated. it rots the brain. idiot literally imagines that just because he doesn't understand how the ocmpany is run, then therefore it's not run at all and there';s room for him to pretend it's like washington state cca 1916 and one gets to be mayor just for showing up, population 1 town.
20:29 asciilifeform the duty is on the afflicted's colleagues, to show him that it is not 1916 and he is no mayor
20:30 asciilifeform not on imbecile to somehow (how?) grasp that he is an imbecile (if he could grasp this, we would never know him as one)
20:30 asciilifeform he's be quietly pulling plow somewhere, etc.
20:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1518050 << is there also a button which takes the wheels off ? thieves want KONSOOMER CONVENIENCE!11111 just as with the roof!
20:34 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 23:03 pete_dushenski just learned in the most untimely way possible, in the midst of an unexpected rainshower apparently on his building and his building alone, that his lexus (jay) has 'feature' whereby remote unlock button is held and all windows incl. sunroof open simultaneously. and ofc, he'd sat on the button or something jit. quelle experiment!
20:44 ben_vulpes shinohai: do *you* have comments working?
20:46 shinohai they were working for me before ben_vulpes , lemme check
20:49 shinohai What fun, my whole site is down
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21:28 asciilifeform in other historic lulz, 'In May 1967, "Co$t of Living's" M24-A 20mm cannon vibrated loose causing the weapon to rotate upward and fire into the forward rotor system. The blades separated and the aircraft tumbled to the ground killing all eight crewmembers on board. Then in February 1968, "Birth Control" suffered the destiny of her sisters. "Birth Control" received some bad hits from a gun run and had to auto-rotate into dry rice padd
21:28 asciilifeform ies. "Easy Money" flew in and positioned herself between the enemy and "Birth Control" while rescuing the downed crewmembers.'
21:28 asciilifeform ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ach-47.htm )
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22:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did ?
22:10 asciilifeform iirc!
22:12 mircea_popescu link if you find it.
22:13 asciilifeform it might be in this parallel trilema in my head.
22:13 mircea_popescu might be a rose by another name. i'm curious now.
22:14 mircea_popescu in other news http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/08/bruce-almighty.jpg
22:16 ben_vulpes eminem!
22:16 mircea_popescu oh and speaking of co-op households, http://67.media.tumblr.com/36885e740082180643fdcb36c929a554/tumblr_ne1anyNWuw1tpmcueo1_500.gif
22:17 ben_vulpes coopertittin
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22:40 phf $s http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/475
22:40 a111 0 results for "http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/475", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Feprint.iacr.org%2F2016%2F475
22:40 phf "With an Internet-wide scan we identified 184 HTTPS servers repeating nonces, which fully breaks the authenticity of the connections." "Furthermore we discovered over 70,000 HTTPS servers using random nonces, which puts them at risk of nonce reuse if a large amount of data is sent over the same connection." from mr. bock
22:50 asciilifeform pilin' on the crapolade
22:51 asciilifeform anything to keep folks from talking about That Which Shall Not Be Talked About.
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23:11 mircea_popescu somehow the "184 servers were probably planted by you on the interwebs" line forgot to be mentioned in response, i assume ?
23:11 mircea_popescu da fuck, you can probably find 100 servers that fedex you banana peels.
23:16 mircea_popescu meanwhile, in more "truly the internet is fucking tiny and broadly irrelevant" news : largest twitch-influencer (syndicate) serves about... 1k views/day. meanwhile at hallucination farms (eg https://archive.is/jQxr9 ) : "Twitch and the global economy" ; "Twitch Talent Agents" "David Goldberg, of New York and Hong Kong-based agency Flood Gaming said that Amazon buying Twitch made him realize there was real money to be made her
23:16 mircea_popescu e. He believed Flood Gaming was ideally placed to broker deals between Twitch stars and corporate brands."
23:17 mircea_popescu saying it makes it true to an outstanding level, not even reached by most altcoins.
23:18 mircea_popescu "The line was for TwitchCon merchandise. T-shirts were $22 – $25. The next day they were $150 on eBay." right, right "were". how many fucking sold ? "I CAN DO ANYTHING! I'VE NEVER BEEN PUNCHED!"
23:22 mircea_popescu and from same rag (different topic, same overblown style), here's a shot of barefoot princessa with her totally-not-feeling-this taller hotter friend : https://instagram.fgig1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/11240691_839766102810983_1308477495_n.jpg
23:23 asciilifeform wat
23:23 mircea_popescu eggog ?
23:23 asciilifeform aha!
23:23 asciilifeform Еггог!!1
23:26 mircea_popescu "Lindsay is candid about how she makes her career choice work. It’s about grafting, and having a heavy social media presence. She runs a busy Facebook, Twitter and instagram page, and has held a Reddit AMA that received 796 comments."
23:26 mircea_popescu 796, you realise. almost enough to be the 3rd elected alderman in shitown stickville.
23:27 ben_vulpes > grafting
23:27 ben_vulpes actual bribery?
23:27 mircea_popescu by now these idiots are so infatuated with their own "SOCIAL MEDIA!!! HUGE!!!" gargle they don't even comprehend numbers. "it's a number, so it's huge, righht ?"
23:27 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i suspect they meant the grift not the graft.
23:27 mircea_popescu kids today, not only illiterate but also deaf.
23:27 asciilifeform iirc we even had this grandiose 796 beat...
23:28 mircea_popescu yes, but we're men with jobs, jerry. and secretaries!
23:29 mircea_popescu "Most cosplayers are shy about revealing their exact numbers, so we sourced some from industry experts. Cosplay Photographer Don McCaskill said that a low day rate is $75 to $300 for a cosplayer."
23:29 * ben_vulpes did not realize that griftering was a noble calling these days!
23:30 ben_vulpes must be horrendously out of the time.
23:30 mircea_popescu jesus fuck. a set is an hour and a half, and while not the multi-k figures, it still pays 4-500 ish.
23:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes it's an actual professional calling, unlike all this shit. respectable if done well.
23:30 ben_vulpes phf: i will kick your bot over while you're at the burn if nobody else has/will step forward
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23:30 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: just like scamzoring!
23:30 mircea_popescu nah.
23:31 asciilifeform waiwat, i thought 'cosplay' was a hobby thing?
23:31 mircea_popescu the grift works towards a specified target. scamzoring is just low effort whaling, trying to eat the copepods that socialist state redistribution produces.
23:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so is programming.
23:31 asciilifeform well when pro it is called 'actor' neh?
23:32 mircea_popescu "And a lot of income comes from merchandise sales. McCaskill estimates that “top tier” cosplayers might make around $70-125,000 a year. Breaking this down, if a cosplayer attends 26 conventions a year and sells 100 prints (a low number) per weekend for $20, that’s $52,000 a year. Minus costs (makeup, equipment, photography shoots) that sounds pretty sweet. And this is North America. The Asian market is much larger and s
23:32 mircea_popescu ome of its stars – like Alodia Gosiengfiao (5 million plus facebook fans) might easily pull in a high six-figure income." << THIS.
23:32 mircea_popescu this is it. game over.
23:32 mircea_popescu the definitive statement ; "and this is romania - in moscow they must be having it better!"
23:33 mircea_popescu "tell you what, pack of cards counts 52, so call it 52 THOUSAND. and this is america."
23:33 mircea_popescu somehow they don't even notice this. "why aren't you in asian then ???" "oh, from ohio to la was long enough a trip for me!"
23:33 asciilifeform 'ameeerikka! cocacola, sometimes war!' (tm) (r) (rammstein)
23:35 mircea_popescu if that ever existed outside of local popular imagination, it's long gone.
23:35 asciilifeform it existed on vhs!
23:35 mircea_popescu yeah well the city of amazon alien mutant dinos also.
23:35 asciilifeform that mircea_popescu watched, and asciilifeform watched
23:36 asciilifeform aha.
23:38 mircea_popescu "Lindsay’s costs are mostly for costumes. Prices vary, depending on complexity. Her favorite costume, Game of Thrones Cersei Lannister cost $200 (and didn’t sell many prints). For this she used upholstery fabric at $30 a yard." << im trying to recall when it was i bought a woman an outfit for less than $200. wtf.
23:38 mircea_popescu what the fuck is going on in this america, they dress out of an hour's work ?
23:39 mircea_popescu what do they do with the other 199 hours in a month
23:40 asciilifeform rent
23:40 mircea_popescu nuts.
23:40 asciilifeform &tax.
23:42 mircea_popescu https://www.twitch.tv/lindsayelyse
23:43 mircea_popescu dude... i'd pay a mn a year to just not be her.
23:43 mircea_popescu wtf, someone somewhere actually believes someone could conceivably want this ?!
23:43 mircea_popescu look at that fucking schedule!
23:44 mircea_popescu is she on tour or some shit ? no fucking rock band made their own costumes out of $200 to go on tour. ffs.
23:45 asciilifeform is this one of those chix who films whole life with webcam?
23:45 asciilifeform incl. bathroom, fuck room, etc ?
23:45 asciilifeform or what am i seeing
23:45 mircea_popescu i suspect she's a super-soft camho. non-nude.
23:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have nfi, i'm trying to make sense of nonsense over here and it spills.
23:46 asciilifeform i watched many hours of ru blokes cutting metal on youtube, at least i learned sumthing
23:47 asciilifeform (incidentally 0 - afaik - extant footage of a chick doing it..)
23:47 mircea_popescu all i see so far - is that softening the grip on IP is actually more harmful to human life than keeping it tight. this entire cosplay thing exists essentially because the various "ip holders" aren't nearly as vigorous as they were in the 70s (good fucking luck doing "your own version of mickey mouse/donald duck" because "you think you look like them" and then - horror of horrors!!11!!1 - selling fucking tschotchkes)
23:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! for some reason i pictured them paying royalties to mpaa or the like
23:49 mircea_popescu i think not.
23:49 ben_vulpes bwahaha teh naivte really asciilifeform ?
23:50 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: hey i am still half an hour into digesting this very idea, of 'pro cosplayer'
23:50 ben_vulpes anyways notion of IP outside of wot and outside of "i will negrate you if you rip me off" is fundamentally broken.
23:50 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how about "your parents will lose the house"
23:50 mircea_popescu course with the current derps ... "haha they already lost it - i went to college"
23:50 ben_vulpes in context of fiat enforcement regime or wot?
23:51 mircea_popescu in context of "why there weren't a buncha derpy 20yo chicks running around dressed as minnie in 1976"
23:51 ben_vulpes that's so far removed from sensible contextualization to be a worthless question
23:51 ben_vulpes dude there was no internet
23:51 mircea_popescu yeah ok.
23:51 mircea_popescu so ?
23:52 ben_vulpes ergo no fandom
23:52 ben_vulpes well, "web"
23:52 mircea_popescu and your dad didn't fuck ?
23:52 mircea_popescu fandom pre-internet was HUGE.
23:52 mircea_popescu $google samantha fucking fox
23:52 deedbot http://www.xvideos.com/video14887049/king_paul_samantha_fox_in_classic_fuck_video << King Paul, Samantha Fox in classic fuck video - XVIDEOS.COM | http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/04/26/full-frontal-s-samantha-bee-rips-fox-hosts-criticizing-plan-put-harriet-tubman-20-bill/210096 << Full Frontal's Samantha Bee Rips Fox Hosts For Criticizing Plan To ... | http://www.xvideos.com/video11486525/serena_vanessa_del_rio_samantha_fox_in_vintage_fuck_scene << Se
23:53 ben_vulpes i lack the context to understand the link
23:53 mircea_popescu yeah.
23:54 mircea_popescu let's just say the internet didn't invent the fandom. it moreover killed it.
23:55 mircea_popescu (samantha fox was this chick posing for the sun "page 3 girl" as a 15yo, built a huge following. perhaps the last of a lengthy tradition of fetish/pin-up idols starting with... < fill in)
23:55 ben_vulpes point taken
23:56 mircea_popescu marylin monroe ? no, earlier! bettie page ? EVEN EARLIER! mata hari ? EARLIER STILL!
23:56 mircea_popescu they had it in revolutionary france. it's been around for a while.
23:56 ben_vulpes huh
23:56 ben_vulpes what /did/ happen.
23:57 asciilifeform there are still folx ready to fuck the dessicated mummy of mata hari.
23:57 mircea_popescu this trope is older than dirt.
23:57 ben_vulpes what, samantha fox enforced her ip 'rights' and the other girls didn't?
23:57 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes we're discussing two things. one is the idol, such as the girl herself, corporeal. the other's the ip, such as "princess leila".
23:58 mircea_popescu because of a weakening of corporate grip on ip, the two are mixing, to the detriment of everyone involved
23:58 mircea_popescu is the observation.
23:58 ben_vulpes hm
23:58 asciilifeform what weakening, copyrasty is stronger than ever, mass warez beheading just last week...
23:59 ben_vulpes no more slutty mcsluttersons then because they're all being coy while seeking fame prancing around as fiction characters?
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