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00:53 BingoBoingo And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
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00:53 BingoBoingo r woman posted a screenshot for $2.80 after doing a two-hour pickup and delivery in Austin, Texas."
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01:28 cazalla not shitfaced this time :)
01:28 cazalla BingoBoingo, safe travels
01:36 BingoBoingo Ah, welcome back
01:36 BingoBoingo What's your timeline to Poland looking like?
01:37 cazalla they drag their ass on paperwork so who knows on the citizenship part
01:37 cazalla the leaving part... i had downed almost a bottle of vodka, would like to buy a place there and take the kids with me but leaving them would be a bit much
01:37 BingoBoingo Ah, is it one that might be easier to get in country?
01:38 cazalla yeah, doing it from here, but they translate my documents and submit paperwork and apparently can take a while.. 3, 6, 12 months once all is said and done from start (kicked it off maybe 4 months ago getting dox) to finish
01:39 BingoBoingo One could always make more kids with the Polish girls. Just make sure to get at least three so the jealousy keeps each in line.
01:39 cazalla will be easier getting it for the kids, i'm thinking convince missus we go for 6 month holiday, then buy and just stay
01:40 cazalla really dont want to send them to school here :\
01:41 cazalla no amount of money can fix some problems eh
01:42 BingoBoingo Ah
01:44 cazalla not that poland would be some paradise but step up from here, and i think kids would benefit from another language, young enough to pick up polish as first language instead of english
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02:18 BingoBoingo Don't have to fixate on Poland though, could look to Romania and be the alfneighbor
02:30 BingoBoingo In other news, Charlie Manson Dead
02:32 cazalla lol pm from vexual, was outside watering the plants m80
02:33 cazalla BingoBoingo, who knows, time will tell i guess, not sure what else to do with myself besides this idea anyway
02:33 cazalla maybe learn to fly
02:33 BingoBoingo cazalla: Maybe start an ISP in Poland, keep backup plan in case tanks start rolling?
02:34 cazalla i imagine that would get struck down on account of it being a NATO state
02:34 BingoBoingo Maybe flip Poland over first?
02:35 cazalla what do you mean by flip
02:36 BingoBoingo face down ass up, you know.. how you win hearts and future ex-girlfriends
02:37 cazalla ah, def gonna go and spend some time there and surrounding countries
02:37 cazalla guess fly back and forth in attempt to be a dad without guilt lol
02:39 BingoBoingo brb sleepime. Gotta morning full of correspondence planned
02:39 cazalla ttyl
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04:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741043 << more of the same nonsense. whoever is involved in that should drop everything they're doing, quit their "job", give away their "devices", burn down their "books", tell all their "friends" to go fucking kill themselves and take a curator (see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721615 ) job for a year or so while eating nothing but tmsr logs.
04:56 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:32 zod_: what do y'all think of http://upspin.io/ ?
04:56 a111 Logged on 2017-10-06 06:06 mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
04:58 mircea_popescu it's not merely a shame that "such problems" are continuously "identified" by idiots, but that the scream for help universally goes unheeded. if you think ~about~ such things as upspin.io, i don't mean if you're "working" at them or anything like that, if you merely think ABOUT them you're certifiably SUTO. get the fuck out, completely, right now, it's a worse addiction than krakadil. parts of your body are falling off!
04:59 mircea_popescu if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
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05:02 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741055 << if only that's how it worked.
05:02 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:41 shinohai: Take a handful, write entire Romanian dictionary by hand in 2 nights.
05:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741065 << well at least market didn't "deflate".
05:03 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:46 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728845 << update on Madonna of the Yarnwinder auction... sold for ~only~ $450mn.
05:07 mircea_popescu (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
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05:12 diana_coman wtf that upspin; ftr the answers are no, no, no and NO, who has such "problems" anyway
05:17 mircea_popescu !#s "graduate student"
05:17 a111 26 results for "\"graduate student\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22graduate%20student%22
05:17 mircea_popescu idle over-ripe esl males, who.
05:24 diana_coman tbh it sounds more like teenage kids with too much pocket money or something
05:25 diana_coman but I suppose it's about the same thing by now anyway
05:26 mircea_popescu teenagers ? these are 30yos.
05:26 mircea_popescu the age of maturity keeps cheezing away
05:27 diana_coman myeah, that's my "same thing by now anyway"
05:27 diana_coman unrelated: asciilifeform's dic has this weird "a arunca buretele" but doesn't have "a caca steagul"!!!11
05:28 mircea_popescu wtf is the former ?
05:29 diana_coman I never heard it; dic says it's same as "a capitula"; possibly in a sponge-fight I'd gather
05:41 mircea_popescu oh, retroversion of "throw in the towel"
05:41 mircea_popescu pretty crappy sauce.
05:43 diana_coman then they should add tambour de livre too at least
05:43 mircea_popescu lol
05:45 mircea_popescu in related lulz, "Financial Struggles & Relationships, Journal Entry | 3 minutes ago : So I'm moving soon and am trying to scrape together enough money to pay for the move and for school fees so that I can get enrolled and back to classes. In order to do this, I basically have to sell all my gaming stuff since I don't qualify for any loans. The problem with that is that gaming is my life and pretty much my main form of stress
05:45 mircea_popescu relieve. So even the idea of having to sell everything is killing me inside and stressing me. This is unfortunately causing problems with my (sorta) girlfriend since I just can't bring myself to get into anything sexual while it's on my mind. I feel bad that I am letting my personal problems affect her, but I don't know how to get myself into a better situation."
05:47 diana_coman poor girlfriend
05:48 mircea_popescu i don't think she knows.
05:49 diana_coman ah, "sorta girlfriend", can be; onth I did stumble upon all sorts of reports from the other side: "my bf is all the time on his xbox, wut do" and so on
05:52 mircea_popescu https://ibb.co/iyW1oR << dood in question. 21yo ninja.
05:53 mircea_popescu diana_coman i think it's evident women are to blame!
05:54 diana_coman if that did at least something....; and ugh
05:55 mircea_popescu myeah.
05:56 mircea_popescu but, democracy, rite ? gotta provide housing, food, loose shoes and a warm hole to sploodge in for ALL THESE.
05:56 mircea_popescu maybe if he took teh red pill ? do you think wikireddit could help him ? if he were more... less... i mean... if he where the fuck's that gunwitch dood.
05:57 diana_coman the way it goes then is that "but they weren't supposed to be like THAT!"
05:57 mircea_popescu "Your initial state when seeing women you want is very important: the right one will cause you to approach them, the wrong one will panic and confuse you - preventing you from taking any action to ever meet them. If you do not meet them you almost certainly CANNOT have sex with them. Your internal state when you first see an attractive woman must be one of sexual enthusiasm, horniness, and unapologetic desire."
05:57 mircea_popescu imagine that mound of sexual enthusiasm coming at you.
05:58 diana_coman lol!
05:58 mircea_popescu it's all in the wrist, see.
05:58 mircea_popescu YOU CAN TRAIN THE AVERAGE MALE INTO SUCCESS!
05:58 mircea_popescu and it won't even need any work. not even much time. twenty pages. large script. three pages. a matchbox back!
05:59 diana_coman well, the eternal dream : it will be easy and fast and so on
06:00 mircea_popescu "how to make a name for yourself quickly"
06:01 diana_coman eh, I suspect nowadays you don't even need that; after all you've been named "adofdifjYYY" to be unique and so on to start with
06:01 mircea_popescu myeah.
06:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741070 << quite exactly.
06:12 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:58 asciilifeform: 'rare art' is simply low-tech pre-bitcoin btc for lizards
06:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741080 << the WHOLE POINT of usg.sv "tech" is to get around the "The Hettingas’ sense of ill-usage is understandable. So is their consternation at being confronted with the gap between the rhetoric of free markets and the reality of ubiquitous regulation. The Hettingas’ collision with the MREA—the latest iteration of the venerable AMAA—reveals an ugly truth: America’s cowboy capita
06:15 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 05:53 BingoBoingo: And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
06:15 mircea_popescu lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
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06:15 mircea_popescu so whenever silicon valley is doing something other than circlejerking, is building ways for various "public protections" invented by dnc / usg.blue / tammany hall to NOT apply.
06:16 mircea_popescu they're the premier driver behind the "need to pack sardines tighter" "technologies".
06:24 mircea_popescu !!withdraw 0.004003 1AbRyEps74KejccooC9f5DiSgUSrui7Ycw
06:24 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ik0Gq/?raw=true
06:25 mircea_popescu this is getting fucking ridiculous, for the record. human sums (as defined by supermarket practice) totally unworth bothering with dust in bitcoin.
06:31 mircea_popescu and in ancient lulz... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533306
06:31 a111 Logged on 2016-09-02 01:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
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06:51 mircea_popescu i suppose by the time twice the supermarket price per item is hardly worth a bitcoin transacton, we might be well advised to revisit that "ancient" http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ piece from two years ago.
07:06 spyked hi all. /me is catching up with discussions...
07:06 mircea_popescu hola. how goes ?
07:07 spyked not bad, mircea_popescu. still swamped, but slowly getting out.
07:07 mircea_popescu there's been a lot of that going around.
07:10 spyked #t has had a lot of interesting discussed! finally ate them up.
07:19 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
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07:19 a111 Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
07:19 spyked safe array indexing), which brings asciilifeform's point re. bytecode further. in current item, builtins are hardcoded using strings, very not-elegant!
07:21 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
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07:21 a111 Logged on 2017-11-14 19:03 jurov: a111: strings are sequences, not lists. cons/car/cdr does not apply, there's different set of functions for these
07:23 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read)
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07:23 a111 Logged on 2017-11-14 19:53 asciilifeform: phf: my understanding is that author was simply doing homework
07:27 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738883 <-- pascal still in ro highschool curriculum afaik. ro school has much bigger problems, in the vein of http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ being asked not only by students, but by teachers themselves! (e.g. I once received q from teacher: "what's more important, physics or mathematics?" "both, bitch! and nao stop amputating those curricula!")
07:27 a111 Logged on 2017-11-15 14:22 diana_coman: oh, ugh; and yes, now you mention it I think it was same-change in Ro too
07:29 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739939 <-- neato! now digesting original paper (pdf: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/6334/AIM-559.pdf )
07:29 a111 Logged on 2017-11-16 22:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind
07:33 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
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07:33 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 06:55 ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9
07:33 spyked @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
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07:38 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740972 <-- aha! Romania had a linguist who tried to force phonetic en-ro translations, e.g. site->sait. his 'sait' is still online it seems: http://pruteanu.ro/0rapid/00index/00index-l.htm guy also had '90s (or was it early 2000s?) TV show on "correct romanian", was sometimes amusing.
07:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 01:23 asciilifeform: see in ru we dun have this problem , it gets fixed 'automagically', e.g. Марго
07:48 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741023 <-- I didn't get from the discussion: are regionalisms, archaisms, etc. to be included in this dict, or are they separate item? example: belengher (plus expr. "a festeli belengherul", similar in meaning to "a caca steagul" mentioned earlier by diana_coman)
07:48 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 02:18 asciilifeform: back to the baseline item ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740660 ) -- if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , spyked , ... ( who else we have ? ) would like to submit corrections/additions/subtractions -- plox to vpatch
07:56 spyked (belengher, of course, yet another euphemism for cock; a festeli: to stain, or rather, daub)
08:04 spyked (in other cockphemisms: carici, calabastoc; the latter, to my knowledge, does not exist in dictionaries, being entirely of rural origin)
08:13 deedbot mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/86R2i/?raw=true
08:20 trinque morning all.
08:25 mircea_popescu win
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08:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741189 << can't hurt. got a blog or anything ? :D
08:49 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
08:49 mircea_popescu it is ~extremely~ important to write these, much more so than can be evaluated at the present time. the value becomes evident mostly in retrospect.
08:54 * spyked adds this to list of write-ups.
08:59 spyked for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.
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08:59 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
09:00 shinohai mornining trinque, mircea_popescu, everyone
09:06 mircea_popescu glib is slated to stop compiling ?
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09:06 mircea_popescu but yes, gentoo freeze was discussed, vaguely, not seriously implemented.
09:06 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741203 <<< I would like to help ( I believe it was mod6 that mentioned it previously) set up some sort of mirror for just this purpose, because yes outside things will become unreliable sooner rather than later.
09:06 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 13:59 spyked: for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.
09:07 mircea_popescu go for it!
09:08 shinohai Current setup will build Eulora and trb like a dream, with nary a barf like I experienced in my old deb days
09:08 mircea_popescu gentoo ?
09:08 spyked hi shinohai
09:08 shinohai Yeah I switched 100% gentoo ~1 year ago, props to trinque for his patience with me.
09:09 shinohai hiya spyked how goes?
09:11 shinohai For me it was rather like building a model airplane, box of parts "Here, build this". Sometimes I wanted to just dump it all in the trash and just get high on the glue but persistence pays off I suppose.
09:13 trinque reminds me
09:13 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740478 << I do. lemme dust it off and run, then I'll genesis it and put on my blog.
09:13 a111 Logged on 2017-11-18 22:19 ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland
09:15 spyked shinohai, pretty good. gentoo diddling. I'm trying to get a new box up, learn v, compile trb, add an ada in, learn lisp internals ... (the list continues)
09:18 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741206 <-- at some point, glib folks will decide that gcc < 5 isn't "modern enough" to build glibc, so they'll break compatibility. will, in the (now) tradition of introducing arbitrary changes.
09:18 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:06 mircea_popescu: glib is slated to stop compiling ?
09:19 trinque eh why not use musl anyway
09:19 mircea_popescu o.O
09:19 mircea_popescu wtf is wrong with these idiots.
09:21 spyked trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
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09:24 spyked speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
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09:26 mircea_popescu what is localizartion support ?
09:27 spyked fancier name for Unicode et alia
09:27 shinohai I think if one needs support for languages, etc?
09:27 mircea_popescu so not having such support saves you the trouble of having to cut it out later ?
09:27 mircea_popescu seems like a great deal.
09:31 spyked remaining problem is that it also needs to be cut out of software that relies on it. or eliminating such software altogether (this includes a large part of GUI software stack; did eulora go through the "needs locale" experience?).
09:32 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741226 << uclibc is lethally broken last i saw ( e.g. pthreads )
09:32 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:21 spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
09:33 asciilifeform spyked: musl however worx great, trb stands on it. and iirc trinque has an entire musltronic gentoo.
09:33 mircea_popescu spyked what software do you use that relies on unicode and why do you.
09:34 mircea_popescu anyway, eulora client is specifically left as exercise to eulora player. can make it do anything you wish.
09:35 spyked asciilifeform, neato!
09:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741114 << from what i've seen so far, the prognosis for sufferers is quite grim
09:38 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 09:59 mircea_popescu: if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
09:39 mircea_popescu yes well.
09:39 asciilifeform afaik 0 cures to date.
09:39 spyked mircea_popescu, problem isn't whether unicode is needed. but that "modern" software insists on shoving "support" down one's throat. it can be removed, of course (either support or software altogether), only I suspect the pile of unicode-enhanced crap yet hides some useful items.
09:39 mircea_popescu this is a dubious point.
09:39 mircea_popescu spyked be specific, list items.
09:40 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741119 << the occasional morphinist, in fact quits and becomes something resembling normal person. redditism, on other hand...
09:40 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 10:07 mircea_popescu: (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
09:40 mircea_popescu my software consists of mostly bash, these days. what software ?
09:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw report recently : life expectancy of moscow heroin addict, 5-7 years. life expectancy of moscow homecooked-desomorphine addict, 18 months.
09:41 spyked mircea_popescu, js browser (e.g. firefox) that allows linking trilema snippets. the only reason I still keep one around.
09:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: krokodilists ? oh yea
09:41 mircea_popescu aha.
09:41 mircea_popescu spyked lynx ?
09:43 mircea_popescu (i mean links/elinks ; lynx might but my version is antique, doesn't)
09:44 spyked mircea_popescu, last time I tried (lynx, w3m, etc. even "links"), linking something such as http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/#selection-23.0-25.14 didn't highlight
09:44 spyked (I use w3m for everything else)
09:44 mircea_popescu needs a special compile time flag and then a config diddle
09:44 spyked hm
09:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 << the correct solution is to not install the gcc5 nonsense to begin with, then won't need cleaning. but this won't be happening during isp winter
09:44 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
09:44 mircea_popescu i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
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09:44 asciilifeform ( needs proper tmsr gentoo )
09:45 asciilifeform hm i had nfi there is a lynx with js
09:45 asciilifeform seems like it'd defeat half the point of using lynx to begin with, neh
09:45 mircea_popescu linx not lynx, diff item.
09:45 asciilifeform hmm.
09:46 * asciilifeform aware of 'linx' but also had nfi that it had js.
09:48 asciilifeform in other noose, far away, 'Bitbet is shutting down as the admin team is no longer in a position to manage the site. All contracts that could be resolved have been resolved, and winnings have been paid out...'
09:49 shinohai awwwwwwwwwwww
09:49 asciilifeform corpse finally stopped twitching.
09:50 shinohai All profits have now been znorted up.
09:51 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5xp1t/?raw=true << txt snapshot , as derp blocks archiver
09:52 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.
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09:52 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
09:53 mircea_popescu spyked actually a limited js lib to replace libmozjs would kick ass.
09:54 mircea_popescu confiscate javascript from w3c by writing a subset from the pov of the republican lord, not from the pov of the bankrupt usg remoras trying to pretend like they're "online companies" "making money"
09:54 asciilifeform ftr you can't faithfully display teh l0gz without uniturd support, sadly ( between asciilifeform's ru, mircea_popescu's greek, various îțâșă-containing pasteolade )
09:56 mircea_popescu why not ? phf';s logotron posts them correctly, as /x whatevers
09:57 asciilifeform pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
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09:59 asciilifeform as for js, it is intrinsically, deeply and infectiously retarded, on a level that is difficult to compactly express -- e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517759 is merely ~one~ aspect
09:59 a111 Logged on 2016-08-10 16:37 phf: ben_vulpes: stock javascript doesn't have integers.
09:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform implement a native string bignumatron.
10:00 asciilifeform it's what the pgp-in-js people did. ever try an' read the result ?
10:00 asciilifeform half a MB of gibberish
10:03 mircea_popescu you do it in c.
10:04 mircea_popescu not on top of js, but as part of tmsr-js
10:04 asciilifeform in what sense is the contemplated item 'js' then ?
10:04 mircea_popescu in the sense.
10:04 mircea_popescu implements some fraction of extant js functions, which we deem to be ALL of js, and some extras.
10:04 asciilifeform i mean, why retain the retarded syntax, and not cut straight to e.g. tmsr-scheme
10:05 mircea_popescu embrace and extinguish.
10:05 mircea_popescu ah, it'd have to live as wrapper on tmsr scheme would it
10:06 shinohai From @blockchain "We are experiencing an outage of our internal database. Your funds are safe. We've identified the issue and are working on a resolution. Stay updated at https://www.blockchain-status.com"
10:07 shinohai YOUR FUNDZ ARE SAFE!!!!111
10:07 asciilifeform nao if only js had ~merely~ retarded syntax. but also based on an intensely braindamaged oopism, that'd get carried into anything that 'embraces'
10:07 mircea_popescu oucj
10:07 asciilifeform i'ma let ben_vulpes , phf , others who served lengthy sentences of sisyphation in js , elaborate.
10:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i just want, from a strategic perspective, the tool whereby to be able to force a wedge among "website owners" and have them upgrade whether they want to or not, off the imperial tree.
10:09 asciilifeform from that pov it'd make even moar sense to have total break with html shitstack
10:10 asciilifeform incidentally,
10:10 mircea_popescu eventually.
10:10 asciilifeform !~later tell trinque didja ever get a chance to write down that hypertext system algo of yours ?
10:10 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
10:11 trinque nope, have several improvements to the paybot (and cutting off the trb wallet) ahead of that
10:12 asciilifeform trinque: the dictionary thread immediately reminded me of it
10:15 asciilifeform consider how much more feasible a Troo Dictionary would be, on a hypertexttron that wasn't built by newjersey wreckers, with the idiot unidirectional links, each of which results in loading whole new file, and cannot meaningfully point to a section thereof, and the retarded anchors , and could go on for a week
10:16 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/philg/research/shame-and-war.html << nao 404
10:16 asciilifeform not archived, either.
10:17 asciilifeform http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war << apparently moved ( and possibly sectionally censored, i've nfi )
10:19 trinque ah certainly.
10:26 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741227 << i.e. fughet about non-microshit os on intel
10:26 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:24 spyked: speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
10:35 mircea_popescu "Since Travels with Samantha was getting 100,000 hits/day, the spillover from there into my research area was actually good for more exposure than my paper would have gotten from the conference proceedings." << way the fuck truer in 2017 than it was in 1994.
10:35 mircea_popescu whichever beobachter you choose can NOT drive enough traffic to make up a trilema minute.
10:37 asciilifeform the lulzy bit in 'shame and war' is that greenspun correctly identifies html as newjerseylade liquishit, but wholly misrepresents the focus of the braindamage ( he thinks it has something to do with lacking styling; and then 'hey they invented css, fixed it!' )
10:41 mircea_popescu yeah, he's an uneven thinker.
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11:12 ben_vulpes spyked: i'll give your recipe a whirl later
11:17 ben_vulpes in other lols, tesla failed to close the deal to supply uber with self-driving cars
11:17 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741274 <<< I forgot to mention spyked this did work for me when I tried it some time ago, had to ensure ECMAScript support was enabled after ./configure.
11:17 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 14:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.
11:17 ben_vulpes usg dept of robocars cannot actually meet production quotas, chicken-buying-dollars will have to be spent with volvo of all corps
11:20 ben_vulpes also wtf, look at this inept shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/20/sex-education-needs-graphic-teens-trying-taboo-practices-say/ "trying taboo practices", no link to original paper, what the hell am i even looking at
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12:02 shinohai Jeez I almost don't want to have a news/rss feed open until this "I was raped" spam is over with.
12:03 mircea_popescu in other news, ended up in local church after walk this morning. had to leave once priest showed up and the womenz starting "singing" an hymn
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12:03 mircea_popescu apparently they don't kick you out of church if you suck at singing. this is a problem.
12:04 shinohai btw, I rather liked the pics mircea_popescu posted of church in latest trilema. Nifty.
12:04 mircea_popescu different item, but yeah.
12:06 shinohai Just reminded me of it. Likely first Catholic church I have ever seen with a drop ceiling.
12:11 mircea_popescu for srs.
12:22 asciilifeform from same rag , moar brit lulz, https://archive.is/lmpYM >> 'Guy Hedger was killed at around 3am on April 30 after intruders entered his £1 million home in Castlewood, Ashley, near Ringwood, Hampshire'
12:23 asciilifeform '...demanded that Mr Hedger tell him the combination for two safes... men made off with more than £120,000 worth of jewellery watches and valuables' then shot , etc.
12:36 mircea_popescu evidently hedger didn't EARN that money.
12:40 spyked re. links/elinks js, mircea_popescu, shinohai, thanks for the pointers. attempts so far to get a working item failed, but it's worth reporting what I've found. long story short, elinks depends on libmozjs, steps at http://archive.is/UFpsz work only visiting e.g. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-21.75-21.93 gives the following error: "The requested fragment
12:40 spyked "#selection-21.75-21.93" doesn't exist." (which leads me to believe that no JavaScript code is being run, although JavaScript *is* enabled at run-time!); links (probably mircea_popescu's browser) throws out some explicit javascript errors (doesn't parse === token), but this because it has it's own parser/interpreter.
12:41 mircea_popescu ugh
12:42 mircea_popescu now this i have nfi why would occur. the exact details are buried somewhere in archives, but it's been a while ;/
12:45 shinohai For a while I really liked the w3m browser, there was rumored to be js plugin for it, though link to original www is ded and I cannot find info on it anywhere.
12:46 * spyked dug for that one as well (w3m-js), seems to be gone
12:47 shinohai If you happen to dig it up at some point, I would greatly appreciate copy
12:50 ben_vulpes https://makezine.com/2017/11/19/apology-to-naomi-wu/ << the self flagellation will continue until morale improves
12:50 asciilifeform whossat
12:51 asciilifeform 'she and other Chinese makers are every bit as capable and creative as their Western counterparts' << ahahahahahawat
12:51 asciilifeform 'We will be publishing a diversity audit of Make: as a company and our properties, and will be setting goals to drive progress on these issues' << самокритика !1111
12:51 mircea_popescu heh, the whole "drama" is by now legit kink play.
12:52 trinque "that was offensive to Naomi and all women" << it's a great day for canada, and therefore the world
12:52 mircea_popescu "it is always wrong to question female identity" === "oh baby give it to me hard".
12:53 ben_vulpes ahahand in tangentially related hate speech: "assortative coupling on education level does have an unintended down side -- it's a major contributor to economic inequality in the larger society", from https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26747
12:53 mircea_popescu there's some scene in some italian film in which a woman (who is trying to convince a guy she believes is a movie producer to take her pubescent daugther to the movie-making place) says "sfondami tutta". during copulation (she also offered to hold down same daughter for defloration). she does not literally mean that she wants him to tear her uterus through her abdomen and into the light.
12:54 mircea_popescu she's just saying a thing. so is this dale dougherty anon.
12:55 asciilifeform 'The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women' << lol!!
12:59 mircea_popescu let me guess, "can't find enough males willing to support the fantasy" ?
13:01 asciilifeform howdjaguess, 'At the University of Texas at Austin where I teach, the sex ratio is 54 percent women to 46 percent men. This imbalance may not seem large at first blush. But when you do the math it translates into a hefty 17 percent more women than men in the local mating pool. Speculations about reasons range widely. They include the gradual removal of gender discrimination barriers and women’s higher levels of conscientiousness (r
13:01 asciilifeform elative to men’s) that translate into better grades and superior college app qualifications' etc
13:02 ben_vulpes !!up mircea_popescu
13:02 deedbot mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
13:02 ben_vulpes lizards dun like it when you talk like that mircea_popescu
13:02 mircea_popescu lel
13:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cuz i'm knee deep in "educated" womenz shattered delusions.
13:05 mircea_popescu !~calc 54-46
13:05 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 54-46 = 8
13:05 mircea_popescu !~calc (54-46)/46
13:05 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: (54-46)/46 = 0.17391304347826086
13:06 mircea_popescu that's so clever.
13:07 mircea_popescu the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends.
13:07 mircea_popescu eg, textile making survived for as long as weavers were men.
13:07 mircea_popescu 1700s.
13:07 mircea_popescu so -- get ready for no moar academia, very much in liune with trilema bull on topic.
13:08 asciilifeform lol wat 'get ready', it happened long ago
13:09 mircea_popescu what happened a few decades ago was the transition to the macgonagall stage, so to speak. first clowns take over, then women.
13:10 asciilifeform interestingly they also doctor the Official stats re subj : a casual walk through u of md reveals ~70+% femality, but Official figure, last i saw, was 49 or somesuch
13:10 asciilifeform hatefact.
13:11 mircea_popescu no but see, hos moar "conscientious" than bros. 49% female faculty = 70% female campus walkers. because they put in more hours etc.
13:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the men leave when a profession is deskilled. at least in the weaver example.
13:13 shinohai !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
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13:13 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
13:13 shinohai My Japanese reading is shit, so dunno how results mite be yet
13:14 mircea_popescu some of them, at least.
13:15 asciilifeform re asciilifeform's local shithole, moar interesting observation -- at one time the comp sci dept was ~90% male. today -- after subjects like 'operating systems', 'compilers' -- where you gotta form a working mental model of what the fuck yer doing, or you have no chance , and the working material is not amenable to 'i'ma randomly hammer until it works' -- no moar.
13:15 asciilifeform *after subjects abolished
13:16 mircea_popescu honestly, i see no problem with this.
13:16 mircea_popescu education should not be available via "public" ie tax-subsidized channels. let woman that wants to actually learn anything find a master and submit sexually.
13:16 mircea_popescu what fucking college. harem.
13:16 asciilifeform afaik the 'private' unis are exactly same, but with fatter idjits
13:16 mircea_popescu my private uni is not at all same.
13:17 mircea_popescu explicit power relations, including rape as a definite portion of the curricula, all that good stuff.
13:20 asciilifeform lol it'll be the translationdictionary dirigible thread alloveragain won't it.
13:20 mircea_popescu ra ra ra!!
13:20 asciilifeform 'what if i need to hire some engineers and dun have a harem' 'slice lengthwise!!'
13:20 mircea_popescu if you perceive you might need engineers in winter, wolfy, start building harem in summer.
13:20 mircea_popescu if you wait to sharpen your fangs until you have what to use them on... you won't have the time!
13:22 asciilifeform this is yet another of those occasions when asciilifeform is half-convinced mircea_popescu posts from a parallel dimension, where females who can keep e.g. 100-state fsm in their skull, are something other than 1 ppb
13:22 mircea_popescu so ? filter!
13:22 mircea_popescu and train.
13:23 asciilifeform fwiw not only does mircea_popescu not keep those in his harem, but wouldn't want to . high testosterone ( ever see portrait of e. noether ? )
13:24 mircea_popescu why not ?
13:24 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677914 << thread
13:24 a111 Logged on 2017-06-30 21:05 asciilifeform: ( revisiting upstack: one sad irony of beelzebub : the world-class chix, e.g. emmy noether, tend to be square faces. testosterone will do that. )
13:25 mircea_popescu it's a harem not a fucking advertisment. you can keep whatever you like.
13:25 asciilifeform but wouldja ?
13:25 mircea_popescu noether ? yes.
13:25 mircea_popescu ugly-and-not-noether no. but, hard to argue against the company of smart chicks.
13:26 asciilifeform then nao we know where the planet's 2.5 allotted noethers went!111
13:26 mircea_popescu i'm not THAT attractive.
13:27 asciilifeform sad thing is, 'noethers' have a tendency to die fairly young and virgo intacta
13:27 mircea_popescu also, the testosterone issue is visible in much older women. when she was 16, noether was as much helped by the 16 yo's boon as any other girl.
13:27 mircea_popescu the moustache appears later.
13:27 asciilifeform possibly. afaik no photo of 16-noether survives.
13:31 mircea_popescu all this aside, i'm very performance driven. i care much more about what she does than what she looks like. which is why djb, sexy as she might be, has nevertheless 0 hot factor for me. ill behaved / stupid hotties are not hot to any degree i can personally measure.
13:31 mircea_popescu others' mileage may vary, of course. but as far as i'm concerned...
13:31 asciilifeform waiwho
13:31 mircea_popescu bernstein.
13:31 asciilifeform i thought bernstein were a bloke
13:31 mircea_popescu im making a metaphorical bridge.
13:31 asciilifeform lolk
13:32 mircea_popescu there's no "ill make myself beautiful and then win" solipsistic approach. make yourself really obedient and you'll win.
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14:39 diana_coman mircea_popescu> the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends. <- more like whenever *everyone* makes it into something, it's a clear bet that it's not anymore the something it used to be
14:40 mircea_popescu what do you mean moreover ?
14:41 diana_coman moreover?
14:42 diana_coman I guess you can take "women become dominant" as visible threshold of "everyone makes it" but to my eyes that's already late as it were; profession ended long time before that
14:43 mircea_popescu aha.
14:44 mircea_popescu it's forcing a point, cooking for instance didn't end with women becoming dominant sometime cca 35k years ago
14:44 mircea_popescu but for many modern and postmodern activities it's a great heuristic.
14:45 diana_coman dunno the facts there, but afaik professional cooks are still majority men, aren't they
14:45 mircea_popescu ok. professional fuckers -- majority women.
14:45 diana_coman lol
14:45 mircea_popescu fucking didn't end either.
14:46 diana_coman but yes, that's my point: it's nothing to do with women per se being there; all to do with lowering the bar
14:47 shinohai lowering bar so black girls can code?
14:47 mircea_popescu but the lowering of the bar ends up hitting women
14:48 diana_coman well, it ends up hitting everyone at that, doesn't it?
14:48 diana_coman who the hell does it help exactly
14:48 diana_coman oh, it helps to pretend for a bit longer and then fall from the top of a higher cliff; is that the help?
14:49 mircea_popescu that's the sadness of evo biology : if you have a sexuate species (as the predicate) then you will have sexual dismorfism. because if you don't, why bother with sexuation. if you have sexual dismorfism, you will have a more diverse and a less diverse gender. because that's what dismorfism IS. if you conventionally name the more diverse gender male (as you do) and the less diverse gender female (as you do), then NECESSARILY as
14:49 mircea_popescu you lower the bar for any objective performance you will get more women qualified ; and conversely the only way to increase female prevalence in any activity is to lower the performative bar.
14:55 diana_coman I can't say I really looked into this; I do remember your trilema article on this idea re searching in the male gender
14:56 mircea_popescu myeah
14:57 diana_coman to start with I'm not sure there is such total separation between genders as in searches in male gender means advances do not translate further down the line in moving up the average on female gender too , for instance
14:58 diana_coman and then there are anyway tradeoffs at all points; e.g. male stronger, yes; but generally less agile
15:01 diana_coman diversity means it covers a wider range; doesn't necessarily mean average is higher
15:06 mircea_popescu possibly move the average, but it's still not going to have an impact. women alive today compete with people alive today not with the previous generations
15:07 mircea_popescu and average doesn't have to be higheer, at all. if five men are measured by your criteria as 12, 11, 10, 9, 8 and five women are measured 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 10.2 and 10.1, the female average is still way over the male average and yet the first two Xs will be men.
15:08 mircea_popescu not to mention the top-3 men average will beat the shit out of the top-5 or top-3 women average, which is the problem in academia.
15:08 mircea_popescu exclusion is much more effectual tool in male than female petri dish, which is why men fight and women gossip.
15:09 trinque male filtering being lossy, females costing more to lose biologically
15:12 mircea_popescu right.
15:16 diana_coman ah, there is that, certainly
15:16 mircea_popescu it's all there is ; then people wrangle themselves into a tizzy trying to "fix" the unfixable.
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15:36 asciilifeform meanwhile, in rotakudom, http://users.utcluj.ro/~jdomokos/naviro ( in particular interest http://users.utcluj.ro/~jdomokos/naviro/naviro138500.dict )
15:36 asciilifeform specifically in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740925
15:36 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 01:01 mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
15:37 mircea_popescu o hey
15:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you don't perchance know the fella ? having studied at cluj
15:39 asciilifeform https://sci-hub.cc/http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5940736/?arnumber=5940736 << d00d's algos ( warning -- pdfturd )
15:39 asciilifeform ( spoiler: he trained a nn )
15:39 asciilifeform feedstock was that very same Dex
15:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform postdoc student ; after my time
15:40 asciilifeform aaa
15:40 asciilifeform 'Based on the input grapheme codes, the neural networks generate one by one the 30 bit code indicating the presence or the absence of the 30 articulatory features. The output feature vectors are compared with the encoded vectors of the phonemes used. The distance between the output vector and each coded vector is calculated using Manhattan distance function and the system response is chosen as the vector with the smallest distance. T
15:40 asciilifeform o develop the pronouncing dictionary we have used the largest online dictionary for Romanian language, the DexOnline dictionary [13]. DexOnline dictionary is freely available, can be downloaded from the Internet as a mysqldump generated SQL file and used in accordance with the terms of GNU General Public License. The database can be easily restored on a MySQL database server.'
15:41 mircea_popescu is that still tru ?
15:41 asciilifeform which
15:41 mircea_popescu item available
15:45 asciilifeform https://dexonline.ro/static/download/dex-database.sql.gz
15:45 asciilifeform 274M
15:46 mircea_popescu uhm.
15:46 mircea_popescu check it out, ro language tripled in 7 years.
15:46 asciilifeform i've nfi what's in there, mebbe lolcat pics
15:46 asciilifeform ( from https://wiki.dexonline.ro/wiki/Instruc%C8%9Biuni_de_instalare )
15:57 asciilifeform meanwhile at the house of entomology, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-18290
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16:17 mircea_popescu in other long term lulz, https://archive.is/936Xp
16:17 asciilifeform lol!!
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16:43 shinohai Follow-up from DJI tidbit asciilifeform posted a few days ago: http://archive.is/CuVRo
16:44 asciilifeform see also :
16:44 asciilifeform !#s responsible disclosure
16:44 a111 22 results for "responsible disclosure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=responsible%20disclosure
16:44 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348490 in particular. )
16:44 a111 Logged on 2015-12-20 17:54 asciilifeform: didn't we do a 'responsible disclosure'-is-for-idiots thread ?
16:45 asciilifeform what part of skip! straight! to! the! rape! is hard to understand.
16:45 asciilifeform and the moar public, the moar raw -- the moar educational.
16:59 mircea_popescu but education is specifically what's not sought.
16:59 asciilifeform from strict pest control pov -- same conclusion tho
17:00 asciilifeform ( did we ever do the al schwartz crushed roach pheromone thread ? let it be said that even insect can sometimes 'learn from the death of others' )
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17:29 ben_vulpes 'la resistance' vanguard suffers a casualty: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-suspends-glenn-thrush-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations-2017-11
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18:36 asciilifeform meanwhile, from the dept of interesting but dead, http://adagin.blogspot.com
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18:37 asciilifeform ^ pretty detailed discussion of ada 'elaboration' arcana
18:38 asciilifeform typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
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18:54 mircea_popescu o.O
19:06 shinohai Is this why I like Ada now?
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19:21 BingoBoingo I though you like them warm shinohai
19:22 shinohai I'm an entrepreneur though .... I might one day have need for a few ded ones.
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19:54 asciilifeform in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
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19:56 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kise2/?raw=true << reminder, what it ate
19:56 asciilifeform motherfucking disgrace.
19:56 asciilifeform and this is on O2.
19:58 asciilifeform ooh and guess what, pragma Inline_Always(...) arbitrarily ( in some % of cases, prolly based on size of subprogram ) has the effect of... take a guess
20:13 asciilifeform ... pretty depressing, and just about obscene, you could just about fit msdos mega-game DIGGER.COM in the space taken by gcc's notion of ffa_mul_comba !
20:14 asciilifeform also gotta love gnat's ~total inability to keep range checks out of inner loopage
20:15 asciilifeform ( blows the pipeline -- snail speed )
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20:40 shinohai http://archive.is/Byh5w <<< Roger Ver, source of endless lulz
~ 25 minutes ~
21:05 mircea_popescu the part where the schmuck "bets" 25k btc...
21:06 mircea_popescu patrick thompson is more of a tool for repeating that sorta nonsense than ver himself.
21:13 shinohai Dear lord we need Qntra back.
21:13 shinohai https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ <<< I thought this was all of 'em
21:14 shinohai "Rank 944" lmao
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21:45 mircea_popescu so apparently znort made a clean close of teh bitbet, neh ?
21:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: depends on which randos are telling the truth, which -- not, neh
21:49 asciilifeform ~unknowable.
21:50 mircea_popescu easy to prove he didn't.
21:50 asciilifeform is it ?
21:50 asciilifeform nm i see it
21:51 mircea_popescu right.
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22:18 asciilifeform meanwhile asciilifeform found one of the culprits of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741492 horror : https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Validity-Checking.html#Validity-Checking
22:18 a111 Logged on 2017-11-21 00:54 asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
22:21 asciilifeform i had it set to max fascism. which explains why bounds of same item get checked again and again and again and...
22:23 asciilifeform ... even of same params outside and then inside a funct call !
22:24 asciilifeform who makes a compiler like this, and why, is anybody's guess. for all i know, we're the first folx ever to use gnat and at the same time give half a shit re speed.
22:29 mircea_popescu i don't think anyone uses ~most anything.
22:33 asciilifeform supposedly -- boeing uses.
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23:14 BingoBoingo That's not very comforting for someone about to spend ~3/4 of a day in 737-800's
23:26 BingoBoingo But, drive's too long for this timeline and ticket is acquired
23:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is this yer first voyage out of monkeystan or wat
23:33 BingoBoingo It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane.
23:34 asciilifeform woah i had nfi.
23:34 BingoBoingo Well, midwesterner.
23:35 asciilifeform lol i thought midwestern meant having ~own~ plane!1
23:35 BingoBoingo Poor child from poor family.
23:36 BingoBoingo Lol, some have own planes but of the cloth and tentpoles variety. Then again driving is less of a burden when 1 minute of time in vehicle translates into at least one mile of forward movement.
23:37 asciilifeform cloth an' stick sopwith -- quite respectable imho
23:38 BingoBoingo Usually powered by lawnmower type Briggs/Kohler/Honda motor
23:38 asciilifeform i saw one being flown in timişoara -- possibly literally a sopwith . buzzing the steeples.
23:39 BingoBoingo "Airport" down the road even claims to host world "powered parachute" thing
23:41 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741039 << buenos viajes, señor BingoBoingo
23:41 a111 Logged on 2017-11-20 03:30 BingoBoingo: Arrival in Montevideo arranged for Dec 6th, at same time as departing prior day.
23:45 BingoBoingo The affair will be blogged.
23:46 mircea_popescu this is adorable.
23:47 * BingoBoingo will try to make it worth mp's generous funding
23:49 BingoBoingo The reaction of fellows from the BingoBoingo store have been especially adorable
23:49 * asciilifeform takes off hat , to BingoBoingo's courage
23:50 ben_vulpes cheers, BingoBoingo
23:50 ben_vulpes bon voyage, etc
23:50 mircea_popescu everything gotta have a first time...
23:53 BingoBoingo Aha, and in republic's state of necessity the dilemma is exactly http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#identifier_6_74280 EXCEPT having partaken of the logs since 2013 and having done so sober since 2015, there is no accident of innocence which could excuse not going
23:53 mircea_popescu i can see it.
23:55 BingoBoingo Typical conversation at BingoBoingo store since turning in notice: "Wait, where are you going?" "Uruguay" "Where are you going to be working" "The Internet" "Why the fuck is there any interest in you going there" "I have a very particular set of skills"
23:55 mircea_popescu lol
23:55 mircea_popescu nb huh
23:56 BingoBoingo One girl has been joking that I must be CIA which is lol, because I am exact opposite.
23:57 lobbes <BingoBoingo> [04:33:27] It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane. << damn. btw, if yer sinuses are as bad as mine the final descent (~30 mins) is usually accompanied by intense ear pain/itching.
23:57 BingoBoingo And to those who get more detail: "How do you know these people" "I've been doing writing and piece work for them off and on for some years, and now there's a need for more me"
23:57 lobbes I use to fly 4 flights a week for about a year straight for a previous gig (granted all short hops within empire). After much experimentation, best method I found for this was: 1) pop a pseudoephedrine or two a coupla hours before descent 2) RESIST all urges to fiddle with ears 3) fuck chewing gum; try and get a yawn-cycle going
23:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo sounds liek a movie script dunnit.
23:58 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's absolutely nothing easier to tell people than the truth
23:58 mircea_popescu lobbes from what i hear blowjobs are >>> chewing gum.
23:59 lobbes hue
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