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00:01 BingoBoingo And https://archive.is/O5q07
00:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706038 << above 2-3kW they recirculate the lasing gas per se. prolly unbeatable re cooling .
00:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 02:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704960 << this is true, and yes pretty shocking.
00:07 asciilifeform ( if you don't recirculate -- e.g., mine, does not -- limits power greatly, because gotta exchange heat )
00:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706097 never heard of it.
00:09 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 03:18 kanzure: have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet?
00:09 kanzure https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542371/a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy/
00:10 mircea_popescu still with that huh.
00:10 kanzure except this one is hilarious
00:10 mircea_popescu everyone's forever enamoured with the scammer-of-the-day. back in groupon times everyone was liek "groupon !!!"
00:10 mircea_popescu thgen that dumb white bitch came up with this whole scam, everyone's her now.
00:11 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706072 << if this were a universal cure , ocr error would be 0. thinkaboutit.
00:11 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 02:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705053 << btw, cheap and obvious error correction : do once then rotate 90 degrees do again. then reconcile. is this used irl ?
00:11 mircea_popescu the airbnb fucktards made cereal boxes, everyone wanted to make cereal boxes.
00:11 mircea_popescu frisco "entrepreneurship" is ten layers beyond disgusting.
00:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not universal by any means. but perhaps helpful.
00:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706129 << see elso emperor qin shihuangdi's mercury pillz
00:12 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 04:09 kanzure: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542371/a-tale-of-do-it-yourself-gene-therapy/
00:13 asciilifeform *also
00:14 mircea_popescu i thought elso was pretty cool...
00:14 BingoBoingo So, now there's a blockchain startup spelled "bluezelle" and pronounced "Bezzel"
00:15 BingoBoingo per Coindesk
00:15 mircea_popescu lol!
00:15 BingoBoingo brb, going stargazing
00:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706137 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635959
00:18 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 04:11 mircea_popescu: frisco "entrepreneurship" is ten layers beyond disgusting.
00:18 a111 Logged on 2017-04-02 15:50 asciilifeform: lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber.
00:18 mircea_popescu right
00:18 asciilifeform or see naggum's discussion of how 1990s consisted of series of imbeciles who 'wanted to be next microshit'
00:19 mircea_popescu which it did.
00:19 mircea_popescu therte's that ancient adage, "nothing's worse for a start-up than a bad money source early on".
00:19 mircea_popescu there is something. a bad model earlier on.
00:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706104 << this view of cocaine is specific of the non-user. i never saw or heard of cocaine allowing more living per.
00:21 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 BingoBoingo: Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year?
00:21 mircea_popescu as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%.
00:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why buy the magic powder ( and dissolve yer septum ) then.
00:24 asciilifeform whatfor.
00:24 mircea_popescu ikr?
00:24 asciilifeform if not for 'live for the peaks, not the area under curve' .
00:24 mircea_popescu again, this is the theoretical view of movie cocaine. it dun work in this manner in practice.
00:25 * asciilifeform not tried
00:25 mircea_popescu actually, in biological terms sugar is a very fine comparison point.
00:25 mircea_popescu bad for you, esp in quantities ; can have some chocolate now and again ; ruins the taste of coffee or tea.
00:26 mircea_popescu people HAVE historically claimed it's "good for you" "better food than food" "makes you smart" etc. especially back when not most people could get it.
00:27 asciilifeform ( most recently -- freud? )
00:27 mircea_popescu i guess.
00:28 asciilifeform paging gabriel_laddel !!1!
00:29 * asciilifeform wonders: perhaps d00d finally got his wish : found cocaine . and hence never again heard from.
00:29 mircea_popescu lol
00:30 asciilifeform or was it meth, that he dreamed of.
00:30 mircea_popescu i dun recall
00:31 asciilifeform as i understand, all adrenergics are roughly similar ( in same way as all liquors, say ) in basic flavour of effect
00:31 asciilifeform so not much diff
00:31 mircea_popescu quite possible.
00:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706116 << theoretically, a reverser of caffeine tolerance would be all the cocaine anybody could want..
00:36 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 03:30 kanzure: happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history.
00:36 asciilifeform for some reason ( afaik ) 0 attempts in this direction, to date.
00:37 asciilifeform there is nothing magical re tolerances. it's a physical condition, just as potentially removable as any other.
00:38 asciilifeform so happens that i remember my first cup of coffee, very well. but to drink it again !
00:39 mircea_popescu o really ?
00:39 mircea_popescu i dun recall it impressing.
00:40 asciilifeform depends on the drinker. iirc the particular locus even was found. i may even have read in kanzure's links some time last decade.
00:40 mircea_popescu i think it might be a cultural thing. milk coffee was common breakfast kiddy thing in ro. i was amused to discover same is true in say nicaragua.
00:41 asciilifeform i was speaking of properly lethal black coffee of course.
00:42 mircea_popescu yeah. possibly why not.
00:42 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706103 << funnily enough, exactly same as my view of computer.
00:42 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
00:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706124 << which is the better q here. why not commodify the gas, have really large gas pools for excitation.
00:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 04:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706038 << above 2-3kW they recirculate the lasing gas per se. prolly unbeatable re cooling .
00:45 mircea_popescu if lab can keep an o2 tank, it can also keep an co2 laser tank
00:45 asciilifeform entirely commodified, wat
00:45 asciilifeform buy at welding shop.
00:45 asciilifeform is where one gets it.
00:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a mix tho, co2 is trace amt in laser co2.
00:46 asciilifeform i dun think i ever once set foot in a lab without a co2 tank
00:46 mircea_popescu LASER co2 mix. different co2.
00:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you buy your particular mix.
00:46 mircea_popescu ok then. so wtf is this "100w laser". measure it in liters instead.
00:46 asciilifeform 100w is the tabletop item most folx have. sealed tube.
00:47 mircea_popescu yes, but unseal the tube and use a large amt of gas.
00:47 asciilifeform water inlet for cooling.
00:47 mircea_popescu and cool that selfsame gas.
00:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's the 20k+usd pro variant, is exactly how.
00:48 mircea_popescu yes but dun have to be 20k usd. just get a cubic meter of gas mix, and some flexible pipe.
00:48 asciilifeform it dun make sense at low power, to bother, so they ain't made small.
00:48 mircea_popescu blow tube with holes in it.
00:48 mircea_popescu my point being : you can blow your own tube, buy your own gas, hook it all up, and let it go. kitchenware.
00:49 asciilifeform the bitch, funnily, is never the tube
00:49 asciilifeform but the optics
00:49 mircea_popescu reuse optics from a current piece.
00:49 asciilifeform the alignment.
00:49 mircea_popescu mmm.
00:50 asciilifeform ( as for 'from current', higher power demands better optic, for obvious reason )
00:50 mircea_popescu i guess. though you know, overclocking.
00:50 asciilifeform me, i'd like direct diode-to-whatwe'recutting .
00:51 asciilifeform fuck mirrors.
00:51 asciilifeform incidentally, the 'kilowatt diode' ( and even 30W chinese item from last year's thread) are from a certain pov shams :
00:51 asciilifeform they are aggregates
00:52 mircea_popescu myeah.
00:52 asciilifeform of small ( 1-5W) diodes. and they don't cohere together (because how?)
00:52 mircea_popescu cascade them ?
00:53 asciilifeform that won't make the waves align
00:53 mircea_popescu whole principle of laser is that excited atom will spit out photon in phase with photon going by
00:53 asciilifeform consider why one even cuts with laser, and not with gigantic lamp and lens
00:54 mircea_popescu lol
00:54 asciilifeform ( laser is possibly the least efficient known electrical light source , watt per watt in vs out )
00:54 mircea_popescu no seriously, this is actually used. take weak laser from tube 1 through tube 2.
00:55 asciilifeform point being, they don't align phasewise: so N W-watt diode != N*W watt tube.
00:55 asciilifeform ( by how much it loses, i leave as exercise for readers )
00:56 mircea_popescu well not diodes, no. but N W-watt tube is = kNW tube.
00:56 asciilifeform and yes it is used.
00:56 asciilifeform when no other choice.
00:56 mircea_popescu myeah
00:56 asciilifeform ( most obviously -- to pump a larger item )
00:57 asciilifeform pumping is the classical recipe for 'add N lasers'
00:57 mircea_popescu aha.
00:58 * asciilifeform bbl
01:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706103 << a nootropic reasonably defined (such as here) is exactly a munchausen artefact
01:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 03:22 kanzure: my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
01:03 mircea_popescu (ie, item that'd permit any munchausen exploit from occuring)
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01:59 mircea_popescu kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
01:59 mircea_popescu moreover, no, most emphatically NO there could not be subdivisions below the satoshi. in fact, not even fractions as small as the 100s of satoshis can be practically used.
01:59 mircea_popescu there's a limited ammount of different transactions that can be indexed, and that limit is not 2.1e12.
02:00 mircea_popescu why do these dorks imagine they're involved with bitcoin again ?
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02:19 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> as if i fucking need to squeeze 120% out of a party. why ? if i like it that much ima just do it again nextweek, for +100%. << Gotta address the biohackers and their "Drugs are bad, let's edit the meat" crowd.
02:20 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> as i understand, all adrenergics are roughly similar ( in same way as all liquors, say ) in basic flavour of effect << Cocaine+MAOI=death Methamphetamine+MAOI=safe-ish
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02:42 BingoBoingo From the novelty mines https://archive.is/mTd6S
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04:34 spyked http://archive.is/rHrjj <-- this might be of (very limited) interest re wintel x86 discussion. mostly for amusement
04:35 mircea_popescu o hey
04:36 spyked to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole.
04:36 mircea_popescu compressed xml to boot.
04:39 spyked hi mircea_popescu; lol yeah. also, other lulz: "There are three such cores in the new PCH: Management Engine (ME), Integrated Sensors Hub (ISH), and Innovation Engine (IE)." innovation engine!
04:40 mircea_popescu im sure
04:40 mircea_popescu We're Boring And Stupid doesn't quite have the same sound to it
04:53 spyked in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s!
04:55 mircea_popescu heh
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07:58 shinohai !~ticker --market all
07:58 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4525.0, vol: 14007.27309918 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4525.1, vol: 38548.57252327 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4532.87, vol: 6883.17248839 | Volume-weighted last average: 4525.97621775
07:58 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706250 <<< This was amusing spyked, thx for share.
07:58 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 08:34 spyked: http://archive.is/rHrjj <-- this might be of (very limited) interest re wintel x86 discussion. mostly for amusement
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08:39 spyked yw shinohai :)
08:44 shinohai Makes me rather forlorn that ex gf threw out my spi tool thinking it was a broken usb drive xD
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09:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706252 << if you're actually convinced that 1) the published method fully and permanently disables the thing 2) it was the one and only fritzchip core in intelturd --- i got bridge to sellya.
09:00 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 08:36 spyked: to wit: 1. dorks plant pervasive spyhole in commodity hardware, "to catch terrorists" I suppose; 2. at some point someone figures out everyone can use it, not only "agencies"; 3. at some point (much later!) dorks figure out they can be used to spy on "agencies" too; 4. dorks finally add secret method to disable spyhole.
09:00 asciilifeform Just Say No to intel.
09:00 asciilifeform ( and post-'09 amd . )
09:03 asciilifeform ( and obsessing over cpu, in a machine arch where nic has dma -- is tunnel vision. )
09:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706257 << nn chips were sold in '80s
09:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 08:53 spyked: in other innovative and artificially Intel-ligent news: http://archive.is/Mo85Z when did Hillis/Sussman/Feynman play with the connection machine? ah, late '80s!
09:07 asciilifeform popular again because of surveillance cameras and 'terrorism'
09:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-26#1386298 << oblig thread re nn
09:07 a111 Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
09:08 asciilifeform the 'alphago' stunt -- was marketing, for these.
09:12 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706243 << could be ordinary stupidity, could be -- wrecking. i can easily picture the derps campaigning for 'let's have btc amts as rationals!' so that eventually a tx weighs 100MB ( in which to represent the ever-cancerously growing ratio )
09:12 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
09:14 shinohai Because decimals are too hard man
09:15 asciilifeform shinohai: finite bit field ~= integer
09:15 asciilifeform ( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits )
09:18 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1701777 << see also
09:18 a111 Logged on 2017-08-22 06:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701493 << he has a point, incidentally. the notion of ~approximating~ numeric machine is about as batshit insane as the notion of concave airplane or open-ended circulatory system.
09:26 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706269 <-- aha. or where NIC can call home arbitrarily for that matter (AFAIK this was a thing in certain cn stuff)
09:26 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 13:03 asciilifeform: ( and obsessing over cpu, in a machine arch where nic has dma -- is tunnel vision. )
09:28 asciilifeform spyked: 'call home' is not the smart model. 'stuff random chunks of physical memory, encrypted to nsakey, into margins of outgoing packets' is a smart model
09:29 asciilifeform as is 'listen for magic poke-arbitrary-addr packet-indistinguishable-from-icmp-ping', etc
09:30 asciilifeform or encodes leaked mem into timings, say. use imagination.
09:32 asciilifeform nobody 'calls home', wtf, when you have every isp on the planet realtime bugged, every wire that leaves a house is 'home'.
09:33 asciilifeform they simply.
09:33 asciilifeform
09:33 asciilifeform call.
09:33 * asciilifeform bbl
09:34 spyked ^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot.
09:37 spyked so, very much an obvious case of "call home".
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09:52 spyked speaking of orders, asciilifeform, estimated arrival date for icestick is ~beginning of november. later than I initially expected, but eh. plenty of time to study related literature & assorted items
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10:10 shinohai Kik messenger to renamed "Kek messenger" when this SFYL occurs: http://archive.is/H6qg5
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10:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706293 << very orc / no class.
10:52 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 13:34 spyked: ^ actually, anecdote. friend of a friend ordered cheap NICs for some business. returned them immediately when he saw they were sending weird data to selected IP addresses. the whole lot.
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11:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706280 << exactly.
11:29 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 13:15 asciilifeform: ( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits )
11:29 mircea_popescu not to mention, eerily similar to demented, drooling char stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits known as unicode.
11:30 mircea_popescu i'm at the edge of my chair with bated breath awaiting the imperial notion of the list.
11:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706296 << i suspect for all these mayweather friends of crypto it's a case of "free money on the table!".
11:31 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 14:10 shinohai: Kik messenger to renamed "Kek messenger" when this SFYL occurs: http://archive.is/H6qg5
11:32 mircea_popescu wtf does buying "their" version of the usg coin get me ? "uhhh... same as the republic's" bitch... you can't be the same as the republic. you suck ; the republioc doesn't.
11:35 shinohai Blokechain technologee at it's finest!
11:37 mircea_popescu "o man, the guys in finance figured out a way to get paid for selling shares without selling any" "whoa" "Technologee man. it can do anything" "can it make you shut up ?"
11:39 mircea_popescu " With millions of users, Kik said it hopes to drive mainstream consumer adoption of Kin, potentially making it the most widely used cryptocurrency."
11:39 mircea_popescu totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ?
11:39 mircea_popescu whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ?
11:39 mircea_popescu funny how these shits are OMFG HUGE IMPORTANT RA RA RA until some bagholder actually buys them, at which point they entirely disappear overnight.
11:40 mircea_popescu how does such huge important mass manage to not have any inertia is anyone's guess ; how fucking broken everyone involved's mind must be not not realize inertialess = worthless is anyone's guess.
11:42 shinohai Blockchain Capital is one of the "investors" that pre-purchased tokens ( a brainfart of Brock Pierce)
11:44 mircea_popescu bitcoins to pantsuit cunts that deal was "we'll give you 10k in cash for what we imagine is 100k in publicity" "lol this 100k in publicity is maybe worth 10 bux. deal."
11:46 mircea_popescu in case anyone wondered "How do famous athletes and child actors end up peniless", this'd be how. like those two retarded twins, what was their name, the mcgregors. "oh we're gonna buy relevancy" "yeah, totally, that's something that works"
11:48 asciilifeform for folx without theorems to do, there will always be found someone who will 'sell relevancy'
11:48 asciilifeform because empty skin of a man .
11:53 asciilifeform in other lulz, 7-27:
11:53 asciilifeform 13:01 < kanzure> i mean not for the scihub content
11:53 asciilifeform 13:08 < fenn> why against mirroring?
11:53 asciilifeform 13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way
11:53 asciilifeform 13:08 < kanzure> why do you think we don't already have 10 copies of this shit?
11:59 asciilifeform 7-24:
11:59 asciilifeform 12:45 < nmz787> kanzure: so what does that mean you can do now? can I use LedgerX for some service now?
11:59 asciilifeform 12:46 < kanzure> for now we are only offering service to institutions
11:59 asciilifeform 12:46 < kanzure> essentially we are the first fully-regulated bitcoin options exchange + clearinghouse
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12:30 shinohai dafuq
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13:17 ben_vulpes !~later tell p0nziph0ne stop join/parting, wouldja?
13:17 jhvh1 ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
13:17 asciilifeform ohai ben_vulpes
13:17 ben_vulpes ohai asciilifeform
13:17 ben_vulpes que paso
13:18 asciilifeform currently wondering if everybody's prb takes 2 days to walletrescan, or just mine.
13:18 asciilifeform ( i needed a prb for an experiment... )
13:19 * shinohai looks askance @ asciilifeform
13:19 ben_vulpes i have not started those experiments yet; moving entire personal workshop
13:19 asciilifeform 'we'll butcher'em all amidst laughter and merriment -- except for a few we'll take home to experiment...' (tm)(r)(tomlehrer)
13:20 * ben_vulpes hums along
13:21 asciilifeform also ate a month+ of heathenlogz but eventually maxed dosimeter.
13:27 asciilifeform turns out , there is only so much... academitardism, ustardism, bitcoinscalingism, regulationsmatterreallytheydoism, etc that asciilifeform can swallow before barfing.
13:28 asciilifeform e.g. 6-28,
13:28 asciilifeform 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you"
13:28 asciilifeform 10:14 < kanzure> meanwhile total damage has been reported to be often >$1T
13:28 asciilifeform 11:06 < emeraldgreen> kanzure what's the proposal? genetically engineered algae, or geoengineering with special spray ?
13:28 asciilifeform 11:07 < kanzure> well i would prefer star shades, but cloud whitening seems to be popular.
13:29 kanzure star shades are much more practical than you might hope http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/space/Self-deployed%20extremely%20large%20low%20mass%20space%20structures%20-%202007.pdf
13:30 asciilifeform nuclear ablation for countries full of uppity californirasts, fortunately, just as practical.
13:31 kanzure i am down with nuclear ablation too
13:32 asciilifeform hey kanzure , can haz that product catalogue yet ?
13:33 kanzure it's on ye olde todo list and your request will be answered in the order in which it was received
13:33 asciilifeform aite.
13:33 asciilifeform i gotta wonder, kanzure , you don't like money ? or what. ( or make it not by selling anything ? )
13:33 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/space/Self-deployed%20space%20or%20planetary%20habitats%20and%20extremely%20large%20structures%20-%202007.pdf
13:33 asciilifeform ^ product?!
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13:50 asciilifeform !!up r0nin-
13:50 deedbot r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
13:52 trinque kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it.
13:52 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46C27AD0AF3FE033C2E7C3002569514FFBD45D3011FC4BFA3476F874B9FB203B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...2367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.82.66.83 (ssh-rsa key from 190.82.66.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns.sercompruiz.cl. CL RM)
13:52 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46C27AD0AF3FE033C2E7C3002569514FFBD45D3011FC4BFA3476F874B9FB203B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1699...9987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.82.66.83 (ssh-rsa key from 190.82.66.83 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ns.sercompruiz.cl. CL RM)
13:54 ben_vulpes hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars.
13:55 trinque worst people ever to walk the earth, their own suicidality showing in every word.
13:55 ben_vulpes as if the blip of geological time sapiens observed is representative, and not a transient of a transient
13:56 * trinque been saying this to the "UNPRECEDENTED FLOODING" derps every chance he gets.
13:56 ben_vulpes also gimme a break, the root cause here is the chain reaction of burning all of the stored hydrocarbons, and it ain't going to stop until all of the fuel is gone.
13:56 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'we are the greatest people, we are the greatest nation, Nothing Like Us Ever Was, our every whim is a Global Consensus, and stfu terrorist'
13:57 ben_vulpes also the ahistoricity of "omfg stop burning things, slow the warming". dog, the damage was done when the first nuggets of coal came out and went up.
13:58 ben_vulpes moreover, as if cleaner diesel's going to do anything about the haze in cn, etc etc.
13:58 ben_vulpes "but what should we dooooo?"
13:58 ben_vulpes "how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?"
13:58 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: envirowhiner is not interested in 'everybody stop burning fuel'. he is interested in 'YOU non-annointed, stop eating'
13:59 asciilifeform !#s deindustrialization
13:59 a111 12 results for "deindustrialization", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deindustrialization
14:00 asciilifeform e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586016 .
14:00 a111 Logged on 2016-12-19 19:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the death of the 'fat consumer' system is not optional, it's an exponential/runaway growth hallucinatory nonsense. the lizard deindustrialization program is in re the ~controlled demolition~ of same.
14:00 trinque runaway insecurity/narcissistic-escalation machine.
14:00 trinque actually believe the earth is here "for them" as the motherstate of course is.
14:00 trinque and they fuckinglovescience enough to know all the knobs and diddle.
14:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6764E7F97C289296C1A28AA933762B54BD4D3A511D0042C3B5E6DFD071D0BCF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...3493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.134.240.93 (ssh-rsa key from 205.134.240.93 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host.lauml.com. US CA)
14:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6764E7F97C289296C1A28AA933762B54BD4D3A511D0042C3B5E6DFD071D0BCF5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...8167 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '205.134.240.93 (ssh-rsa key from 205.134.240.93 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host.lauml.com. US CA)
14:02 asciilifeform forty tonnes of jet fuel per diem for al gore and tim cook, trinque , and low-pressure showerheads and mealsquares for you an' i.
14:02 trinque if that old cunt knows exactly how much money to print "to grow the economy" why wouldn't some other old cunt know exactly how much solar shield to build
14:02 trinque asciilifeform: sure that too
14:05 ben_vulpes in other unsustainability news, ben_vulpes has another mouth to feed on the way
14:06 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is 2nd ?
14:06 ben_vulpes running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble
~ 18 minutes ~
14:25 kanzure what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism?
14:26 ben_vulpes lord only knows what unintended consequences it'll have, neh?
14:26 kanzure ah good thing everyone is omniscient... what?
14:26 asciilifeform or how about 'i didn't ask to be shaded' ?
14:26 kanzure is it going to shade you?
14:27 asciilifeform i can see it as a (largely fictional) weapon. against folx who have nothing with which to disagree.
14:27 kanzure almost everything can be weaponized. that's not a good argument.
14:27 asciilifeform i mean, it is intrinsically a weapon. like nuke.
14:27 trinque humans fail at making predictions on far less complex systems than "lol teh whole sun/earth interaction".
14:27 trinque so, fuck right off.
14:28 asciilifeform i, for instance, dun agree to be shaded. and do not see it as substantially different from being bombed.
14:28 kanzure the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
14:29 asciilifeform and hbomb can be used to mine in asteroid...
14:29 trinque it was brought up in the context of "climate change". don't slime sideways now.
14:29 asciilifeform ^
14:29 trinque cowardly conversation tactic.
14:29 kanzure eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change.
14:29 ben_vulpes more of the classic progressive "we'll fix the world for the poor brown people, because they can't want it for themselves"
14:29 kanzure why would you bring the poor into this
14:30 kanzure if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade"
14:30 asciilifeform kanzure: what part of 'i don't want to be shaded' is hard to understand ?
14:30 asciilifeform i deny this 'we' the californirasts operate with.
14:30 kanzure what part of "why are you going to be shaded?" did you forget to reply to
14:30 asciilifeform i ain't ever joining in this 'we'.
14:30 kanzure ("is it going to shade you?")
14:31 asciilifeform this includes the taxation with which kanzure et al intend to further their megalomania.
14:31 kanzure huh?
14:31 asciilifeform does kanzure intend to build it with own pocket money ?
14:32 kanzure if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead
14:32 trinque "there's no time to understand what we're doing; lives are at stake!"
14:32 kanzure i've lost the flow of this conversation.
14:33 kanzure so why would deploying a star shade and testing it-- perhaps not even on the earth-- preclude understanding what you're doing?
14:33 trinque channel's logged bub, and you still haven't absorbed the implications of that.
14:34 kanzure i haven't absorbed the implication of logged channels?
14:34 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706342
14:34 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:28 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you"
14:34 trinque no, you haven't
14:34 trinque and I've dealt with enough valleytards to be familiar with the crabwalk you do in arguments.
14:36 kanzure so, for example, there seems to be an assumption that a star shade would *have* to shade asciilifeform. why?
14:40 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706397 << meanwhile this tactic hopes the reader assumes the best, while the writer avoided making a hard statement.
14:40 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:28 kanzure: the sun shade does not necessarily need to be used between the sun and earth. there are many potential uses for sunshades, some that even provide experimental data without loss of life ~necessarily.
14:40 trinque you people are so awash with marketing bastards out there you speak it natively.
14:40 kanzure why do i need to make a hard statement about a star shade deployment plan?
14:41 kanzure isn't it a little early for me to mae such a specific proposal..?
14:41 kanzure +k
14:43 kanzure also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot.
14:44 ben_vulpes http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193441 << how does this even begin to work without putting a shade between earth and sol?
14:44 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-08-30 17:25 asciilifeform: 10:13 < kanzure> someone is complaining "$1B to fix climate change is too cheap and nobody is going to believe you"
14:44 trinque if you can't communicate a specific model, why are you talking, other than to cast your upvote for whatever futurememe gives you a semi?
14:45 asciilifeform how about, say, i ~like~ warmer climate, and don't want it 'mitigated' ?
14:45 asciilifeform how'bout that ?
14:45 asciilifeform how about nasa is a subsidy for lockheed, and oughta go away with the rest of the idiot reich ?
14:46 kanzure trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind.
14:47 kanzure ben_vulpes: well, low-cost non-shading approaches might be <$1B but i have given those less thought. you can deploy nukes for less than $1B (like to change orbit parameters) but that also causes other problems that would be viewed as more extreme than climate change.
14:47 asciilifeform how about 'sun shade' is an instrument of world government, and fuck world government ?
14:48 ben_vulpes lol changing orbit parameters; this is a classic
14:48 kanzure no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments.
14:48 ben_vulpes "frisky dingo:
14:48 ben_vulpes epic cartoon btw
14:48 kanzure asciilifeform: regarding your preference for warmer climates, is there a limit?
14:48 kanzure upper limit
14:49 asciilifeform i'd rather roast to death than live under amerireich.
14:50 kanzure wouldn't roasting to death interfere with your no-suck computer goals
14:50 asciilifeform my ultimate goal would be satisfied -- the demolition of californitardia and all it stood for.
14:51 ben_vulpes and hey, a mere three degree increase could kill enough folks to bring the population back to a reasonable level.
14:51 kanzure is three degrees enough for that
14:51 ben_vulpes n degrees.
14:52 asciilifeform at risk of digressing, i will note that it is gut-bustingly funny that people who cannot produce a comp that doesn't crash, prattle on about planet-reshaping wunderwaffen
14:55 asciilifeform and people who cannot master the fully deterministic fucking von neumann machine, talk about usefully diddling genome
14:57 asciilifeform your solar redirector, kanzure , what will the targeting comp run on ? same micropython as your electroporator ?? on what iron ? nsa-intel ?
14:58 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666454
14:58 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 15:24 mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
14:58 trinque their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know?
15:01 asciilifeform it's just indescribably precious, 'i will move orbit of the earth', but can he produce so much as a thermostat that provably follows the claimed algo , rather than daotronic idiocy ?
15:01 kanzure have i claimed that i am going to move the earth? what?
15:02 asciilifeform not speaking of you specifically, kanzure
15:02 asciilifeform but of the megalomania implicit in taking a serious interest in planeteering, per se
15:02 kanzure do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply..
15:05 asciilifeform people who lean to megalomania that they haven't the resources to make flesh -- i find merely boring
15:06 asciilifeform those who proclaim intent to steal the requisite resources, by politicking -- i call the enemy.
15:08 asciilifeform not because 'they will mutilate the earth' -- that threat will be credible some time after they can make an os that actually works
15:09 asciilifeform but because they drop snr and make a mockery of thinking itself.
15:10 asciilifeform the last generation of idiot-savants gave socialists the nuke. this one wants to give'em, what, death star.
15:19 asciilifeform trinque's point re narcissism was spot on. these people see non-californirasts, who don't subscribe to the collective 'we musts', as NPCs.
15:20 asciilifeform to be planeteered over, surveilled, dekulakized ( via, e.g., kanzure's 'well-regulated' bait-and-switch shitcointronics ) , re-dieted to mealsquares, etc.
15:26 asciilifeform kanzure et al walk up and say, in essence, 'i own you, meat.' 'your home is my plaything' 'your labour is for me to dispose of'. thing is, if it were true, he would not have to say anything -- just as farmer does not have to say it to the cow
15:26 asciilifeform we are looking at attempted bamboozlement, rather than true domination.
15:26 asciilifeform and the one thing the target always CAN do -- is to withhold the cooperation.
15:28 kanzure what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx?
15:28 asciilifeform that's a question for kanzure .
15:28 asciilifeform i for one have nfi what he thinks he is doing here.
15:29 kanzure seems that you think i am here for "true domination". you said so just a moment ago..
15:30 asciilifeform well kanzure's answer to 'no, i don't want a usa-controlled planeteering death star to exist' was not 'oh hey this 1 d00d doesn't like it, guess i won't advocate to build it'
15:30 asciilifeform but 'fuck you, i'll do what i want'
15:30 asciilifeform that's definitionally 'domination', neh
15:33 asciilifeform i for one do not know ( though can make educated guess ! ) what kanzure is doing in bitcoin. but asciilifeform's interest in it is specifically in bringing this whole 'international Consensused We' to a permanent end.
15:35 asciilifeform it is why i work on, e.g., trb, despite having scarcely any coin personally.
15:36 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
15:36 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4558.72, vol: 9463.58645800 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4555.8, vol: 19660.2295178 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4553.75, vol: 4578.42830177 | Volume-weighted last average: 4556.34144449
15:38 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> totally. what the fuck is kik anyway, the irrelevant nonservice that facebook didn't buy for a trillion ? << Porno messenger promoted through craigslist spam
15:39 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> whatever happened to telegram or w/e it was the one they did buy ? << Whatsapp, still bringing SMS to pinoys everywhere
15:42 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> nuclear ablation for countries full of uppity californirasts, fortunately, just as practical. << Time the explosions, maybe get a couple micrometers further from sun for bonus cooling
15:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: and hey, ultimate ( at least theoretically ) 'star shield', neh
15:42 asciilifeform let'em taste the medicine they prescribed for others.
15:43 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> hubris of ameliorating "global warming" is pretty cute, right up there with terraforming mars. << Eh, the right weeds would prolly do most of the terraforming themselves. Probably won't make much more habitable, but still more earthlike
15:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'mars' is codespeak for 'moar grantolade', strictly
15:45 asciilifeform ( and yes, it's still grantolade if the fed prints it and gives it to elon musk et al to keep warm up his arse for a while and only then he gives it to you . )
15:46 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th
15:48 BingoBoingo <kanzure> if we're going to talk about cowardly conversation tactics how about "omg you're going to nuke us because you're planning to deploy a sun shade" << This falls under "Right to farm" Sunshade does a concrete economic harm, is an act of war
15:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706321 << so how is this any kind of fucking improvement.
15:49 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 15:53 asciilifeform: 13:08 < kanzure> she wants to control the access in her own way
15:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's a pretty good weapon, as far as these go. ( it it existed... )
15:49 asciilifeform *if
15:49 mircea_popescu "oh, the blue usg has come up with some orc that'll do their dirty work of trying to steal publicly funded research from the rest of the usg"
15:49 mircea_popescu hurr durr, who the fuck has a horse in this race.
15:50 kanzure yeah i tried offering her money for copies of all ~50 TB but nope
15:50 kanzure re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic.
15:50 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706337 ehehe.
15:50 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:19 asciilifeform: 'we'll butcher'em all amidst laughter and merriment -- except for a few we'll take home to experiment...' (tm)(r)(tomlehrer)
15:50 asciilifeform just like hbomb.
15:50 kanzure e.g. daylength can be shortened by ~1 hour by clever shading
15:51 mircea_popescu kanzure it's empty wankery of the sort a certain kind of us-born, esl drone (aka, castrato) engages in.
15:51 asciilifeform didja ask , say, mircea_popescu , whether he would like his day shortened ?
15:51 mircea_popescu actually putting it in would certainly be a violation of the nonmilitarization of space convention.
15:51 kanzure asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu live everywhere or something?
15:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's really in the vein of "artificial implants and future intelligence will bla bla" sorta argument. one step removed from d&d.
15:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun even see this 1step
15:52 mircea_popescu well they gave up the capes. for the most part.
15:53 asciilifeform gave up capes, but came to genuinely believe that the magic spells, work
15:53 asciilifeform or rather -- 'will work Any Day Now'
15:53 BingoBoingo <kanzure> no that doesn't work so well; private space ventures would then also be world government instruments. << If private space company aggresses my tomatoes with sunshade, that is a tort and an aggression. Traditionally remedy for unwanted shading is chainsaw
15:53 mircea_popescu hey, did i mention the artificial technology future implants ?
15:53 mircea_popescu also, qualias.
15:53 asciilifeform don't forget tulpas.
15:53 mircea_popescu o right, tulpas. is what i meant.
15:54 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706339 << i ran some structurizers on it. because apparently these people lived for a decade never discoveredf they want a search button ;/
15:54 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:21 asciilifeform: also ate a month+ of heathenlogz but eventually maxed dosimeter.
15:54 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 'war was invented by people living downstream of herds'
15:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706351 << ahahaha
15:55 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:33 asciilifeform: aite.
15:55 mircea_popescu i take this is two weeks.
15:55 asciilifeform lol
15:56 mircea_popescu in other news, locally sourced undershirts of my most serene majesty are very fine cotton, but also Tres Asses brand.
15:56 mircea_popescu it's unclear whether this means very ass or three asses, but in any case, let no one ever call me an asshole. i'm evidently a triasshole.
15:57 BingoBoingo <kanzure> re: "right to farm", sunshade can be tiny, can be big, can be over ocean or whatever, all sorts of magic. << Per tradition and actual law anything that interferes with farming be it a coyote, hippy vandal, or orbital umbrella is subject to correction by the farmer.
15:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706357 << -- >> http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ pretty much exactly.
15:57 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:52 trinque: kanzure: fucking hell, a star shade. the narcissism out of folks like you will flow over any wall but extinction, wont it.
15:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: observe how he snaked smoothly from 'fix global warming!11' to 'spot-cooling of your back yard on-demand'
15:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.
15:59 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 ben_vulpes: "how about stop confusing ought for is in your tiny little head?"
15:59 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Lol, still day may come where Rural King begins stocking anti-orbital umbrella rockets next to gopher gassers
15:59 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo how about just stocking one fucking whip, and beating the stupid daughter to the point she cant fucking speak next she comes up with "But i LOVE HIM!!! daddy" nonsense.
15:59 mircea_popescu way the fuck cheaper.
16:00 BingoBoingo They already carry those
16:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: they're in aisle 15, right next to the deobumminators.
16:00 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706370 << this is actually quite on point. i've never seen any of these government-funded "ngos" propose all public employees walk or lose their job.
16:00 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 17:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: envirowhiner is not interested in 'everybody stop burning fuel'. he is interested in 'YOU non-annointed, stop eating'
16:01 mircea_popescu which, you know, would decongest most cities.
16:02 * BingoBoingo still waiting for "public employees walk into shredder for biodiesel conversion"
16:03 * asciilifeform would like to see the paypalmoolah-funded friscoites mulched first, prior to any postman
16:03 mircea_popescu shocking how simple measures never occur, "coincidentally". really, it .. wouldn't be practical to mandate anyone on the public budget stop using fossils ? awww.
16:03 mircea_popescu and why the fuck not.
16:04 BingoBoingo Also the irony that the only "strong employee unions" represent "public" employees against the public
16:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706380 << speaking of this, wouldja like to hear the hydrological adventures of costa rica ?
16:04 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:02 asciilifeform: forty tonnes of jet fuel per diem for al gore and tim cook, trinque , and low-pressure showerheads and mealsquares for you an' i.
16:05 asciilifeform aha?
16:06 mircea_popescu so, i don't have a reservoir here. i could build one, but i don't want to, because it'd be too small (there's a minimum size of reservoir, because the algae ie "taste" is a function of surface approx, whereas volume obv matter of volume ; if your tank is not big enough it'll be flavoured.)
16:06 mircea_popescu consequently, water is pumped.
16:07 mircea_popescu now, the main pump is obviously pressure graded : if pressure drops it kicks into higher gear. the heating system has its own pump. which, of course, ALSO presure graded.
16:08 mircea_popescu and the shower has a pair of buttons : if you increase the hot water debit, this drops pressure for the hot pump, which kicks in, dropping pressure for the main pump, which kicks in. and vice-versa.
16:08 mircea_popescu because of this complicated arrangement, i can experiment with histerezis in my shower!
16:08 mircea_popescu this is the best example of unintentional bad complexity ever.
16:08 asciilifeform and now mircea_popescu knows how impedance mismatch in , e.g., memory allocators, worx.
16:09 asciilifeform and, say, Bélády's anomaly .
16:09 mircea_popescu "is a pressure graded pump better than a plain, fixed effort pump ?" "yes, of course" sayz eg kanzure : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706020
16:09 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 02:00 kanzure: eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic
16:09 mircea_popescu but in practice... you end up with two of these on partial circuits, and now i need a fluid flow phd to take a shower.
16:10 asciilifeform see also the proverbial bus with 4 steering wheels.
16:10 mircea_popescu better example of how a) commodified "All purpose" hardware plus b) best intentions all around produce an unmanageable (literally, as a physical reality) situation could not be devised.
16:10 asciilifeform !#s flashlight crashed
16:10 a111 3 results for "flashlight crashed", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flashlight%20crashed
16:10 mircea_popescu oh and as a bonus : obviously the more complicated to be replaced is also the one that should be : the litteler pump in the heating system.
16:11 mircea_popescu did anyone desing for this ? who, the water lizzards ?
16:12 asciilifeform also pretty sure that growth in reservoirs is a solved problem ( circulator + uv lamp ? )
16:12 mircea_popescu psh.
16:12 asciilifeform cheaper than pumps.
16:12 mircea_popescu you have no idea what jungle means. you'll find out one day.
16:12 mircea_popescu not so.
16:12 * asciilifeform would liek to find out...
16:13 mircea_popescu for one thing, the pumps aren't going out, they'll be here no matter what. water dun climb 1k feet out of fellowship.
16:14 asciilifeform ain't it the rain capital of the planet there ?
16:14 mircea_popescu open air reservoir ? oh lordy.
16:14 mircea_popescu yes, it rains a lot.
16:16 * asciilifeform begins to grasp the hair-tearing depth of the problem
16:16 asciilifeform yea i have nfi how you could make a collector that dun get clogged with 10,001 species of ???.
16:17 mircea_popescu speaking of belady : it is actually UNBOUND
16:17 asciilifeform ( but let's say you HAD to. i'd use something like the microporated stainless steel filter in my shop vac : 1uM pores. refrigerator coil inside. water -- condenses. when time to clean -- blow compressed air though... )
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: of course unbound
16:18 mircea_popescu you can construct reference strings for any failure count you wish.
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't live with the situation because im lazy.
16:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform intuitively it'd seem bound at 2x or something.
16:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty nifty undergrad exercise.
16:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to illustrate the "10`001" species, did i ever recount the time my toilet was clogged... by an aligator ?
16:19 asciilifeform ( to the credit of the profs at asciilifeform's spamschule -- we had it )
16:19 * asciilifeform believes
16:19 asciilifeform iirc it is in the l0gz
16:20 mircea_popescu must be yea. i recall recounting it.
16:22 mircea_popescu one thing costa rica certainly is : the world capital of biodiversidad.
16:22 mircea_popescu and yes there's such a thing as uv-algae.
16:24 ag3nt_zer0 nauseous lulz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWZ06DmtCY
16:25 mircea_popescu http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/08/the-sex-pervert-as-anti-fascist/ << randos discovering national socialism still socialism, much like soviet socialism or "progressive" socialism.
16:36 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706386 << no, that's it. "nobody asked you" and "go do something useful, wanker".
16:36 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:25 kanzure: what is the specific complaint about a star shade other than narcissism?
16:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706402 yes, but you also think openssh would be tested before using. was not. debian tested before using. was not. cisco routers tested ; not. pantsuited hilarity mail setup ; not. and so on.
16:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:29 kanzure: eh, i think it would be tested before using it re: climate change.
16:45 mircea_popescu this is commonly known as the thousand eyes of flies found on meat left out to rot in the sun. ie, open source community.
16:46 mircea_popescu you're a bunch of idiots with nary a clue as to how anything works ; and what's worse, utterly unaware of this. "hurr durr what if we fed people through lungs" "oh noes, the food might explode". THAT is not the top of the list of problems.
16:47 kanzure i don't think lungs are currently compatible with that idea. is it beyond understanding that such a scheme would require different components?
16:47 mircea_popescu the fact that you don't know how to sort the list of problems DISQUALIFIES you from discussing the matter. and matters in general. children are to be seen not heard, is the idea, and yes you lot are mentally about 9yo.
16:47 mircea_popescu so no, you won't be given any tasks of responsibility. certainly no "spending of billions" and other nonsense ion terms of "% of world gdp"
16:48 mircea_popescu the MOST you might be trusted with would perhaps be something like a de-pdf-ing bot, which you don't want to do because you (wrongly) imagine it's beyond your level.
16:48 mircea_popescu it's in fact far above your level.
16:48 mircea_popescu and with that... you've kinda locked yourself out of life.
16:48 mircea_popescu s/beyond/below/
16:51 asciilifeform bbbbut d00d is rich !!1 ( question invites itself : what idjit's fortune did he inherit ? or esr-rich ) bbbut d00d works on immortality pills of cosmic significance and reads 400 pdfs per week!1 while dump old asciilifeform spent 3 months proving that multiplier works
16:51 mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with reading.
16:52 asciilifeform is if it's all you do. or a camera lens would be a great mind.
16:52 asciilifeform where was that mircea_popescu story, with the sheep.
16:52 asciilifeform #!s rabinul si oaia
16:52 asciilifeform !#s rabinul si oaia
16:52 a111 3 results for "rabinul si oaia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rabinul%20si%20oaia
16:52 asciilifeform theeere it is.
16:53 mircea_popescu iirc there';s even a n english version.
16:53 mircea_popescu not as good though.
16:54 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe << found.
16:55 mircea_popescu aha\
16:55 asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122814 << hilarious thread btw
16:55 mircea_popescu i dunno wtf that's all about.
16:55 asciilifeform betcha it's the ants from that anthill you prodded earlier
16:55 mircea_popescu which one ?
16:55 asciilifeform #californitards or where was it.
16:56 mircea_popescu i dunno.
16:56 asciilifeform dun matter.
16:58 asciilifeform 'Kafka then finally suggested Samsa look up DARPA deep brain stimulation, Neuralink, and AlphaGo, and suggested to Samsa that shit got real when Google started offering "predictions". And Google doesn't matter to Kafka or Samsa, but one day, something descended from Google and DARPA's current state will. Because Kafka and Samsa's heads are fucking supercomputers.' << winner!1!
17:00 mircea_popescu the red thread being, that they JUST ARE. didn't jhave to do anything for it.
17:00 mircea_popescu idle female mentality today : SIT.
17:00 mircea_popescu they sat correctly in class, got degree. sat in office, got paid. sat on couch, got divorce settlement.
17:00 mircea_popescu girls are much better than boys, fatter ass, more inclined to sit. brave new sitworld.
17:01 asciilifeform the sad thing is, what we're seeing is ~correctly~ working learningmachine.
17:01 asciilifeform they sat -- it worked...
17:01 mircea_popescu not much of a learning machine. we're seeing a dog's mind.
17:01 mircea_popescu really bitch, you're pavlov im spot ?
17:01 asciilifeform well yes. stray dog works exactly like so
17:01 mircea_popescu yes but the claim is female humans are humans, not canides.
17:02 asciilifeform being human is a very part time thing for many.
17:02 mircea_popescu evidently.
17:02 asciilifeform rest of time - sow, dog, leech, take yer pick.
17:03 mircea_popescu anyway, to make a long story short, i'd be ashamed. "oh it worked". hurr.
17:04 BingoBoingo In other news, pickup truck flag index from http://qntra.net/2017/08/boston-free-speech-rally-quashed-by-pro-censorship-forces-pickup-truck-bed-flag-index-climbs/ is still climbing
17:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fwiw i saw flag at beach in delaware, where never before in 6y did i see it.
17:05 BingoBoingo The gadsen flag?
17:05 asciilifeform on an ordinary 4door toyota no less
17:06 asciilifeform no, the confederate jack
17:06 BingoBoingo AHA
17:06 asciilifeform or whatever it's called
17:06 BingoBoingo General Lee's banner
17:06 asciilifeform it.
17:08 BingoBoingo Cool
17:08 BingoBoingo There's plenty more out there
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17:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706414 << actually republic works the other way. if you're spending tax money you're headed for the lime pits.
17:29 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:32 kanzure: if you consider my existence to be overly taxing to you, perhaps you should drop dead
17:29 BingoBoingo From the newsmines: “I was like, ‘Wow, I own half a playground now,’” - City loses Park
17:31 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/JGGGg
17:31 mircea_popescu jgg!
17:33 BingoBoingo You mean jgggG
17:33 mircea_popescu word.
17:37 BingoBoingo And in other returns https://dailystormer.al/
17:38 mircea_popescu heh
17:38 mircea_popescu why not .nk srsly now.
17:38 shinohai Kudos to the `.al` tld
17:38 mircea_popescu albania is it
17:38 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy tho, "overpriced metal rounds magazine moves to aluminum tld."
17:39 mircea_popescu "is it aluminum ~siding~?"
17:40 * mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
17:40 BingoBoingo https://dailystormer.al/christopher-cantwell-has-been-arrested-and-faces-20-years-for-standing-up-to-antifa-scum/
17:41 mircea_popescu which one was this one ?
17:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, they're still at least three years behind the republic
17:41 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Some dude who gave an interview apparently. Just learning of this.
17:42 * BingoBoingo shocked fake news hadn't been bragging about this one
17:44 mircea_popescu they tend to only brag about the meaningless/pointless/nonsense ones.
17:46 BingoBoingo AH, he pepper sprayed some antifags in self defense. Turned self in when protesters filed warrant for "of illegal use of gasses and injury by caustic agent or explosive"
17:46 mircea_popescu ahahahaha. wait, every dumb bitch with mace in her purse is facing 20 in jail ?
17:47 mircea_popescu lulzy democracy you got there.
17:48 BingoBoingo http://www.thedailybeast.com/protesters-got-christopher-cantwell-arrested-cops-didnt-even-try << And narrative is protesters filed warrant with court on their own
17:48 BingoBoingo Seems like this is set up for Poverty Law as new, private DOJ
17:49 mircea_popescu ahahaha
17:49 mircea_popescu amusingly, soviets had this.
17:49 BingoBoingo AHA
17:50 BingoBoingo Well, antifa was sorta born as "let's be soviets, not nazis" club
17:50 BingoBoingo in German
17:50 mircea_popescu yeah, it5's pretty much the "brown shirts fucked our ass into such delicious gaping holes, can has again plox ?"
17:51 mircea_popescu faggots of today heard of all the fun weimar faggots had on top of nazi dicks, licking lips in antifipation.
17:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706431 << around these parts it is sacrilege to talk about shit you don't understand as if you did.
17:52 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:43 kanzure: also: around these parts, is it sacrilege to speak about technologies that aren't at the far end of nasa's readiness scale? that might explain a lot.
17:53 mircea_popescu it is also sacrilege to imagine nasa is relevant. there's no difference between random landscaper/jailbird injecting industial silicone into trannies behind a bar and the nist/ieee/etc as far as the republic is concerned : both are operating without a license and lying about it.
17:53 BingoBoingo Anyways, the easiest way to be unpopular in middle America is to be a protester. By keeping alt-right from protesting the antiflags are monopolizing the being protester hate
17:54 mircea_popescu nasa isn't even there. so no, nobody gives a shit what "nasa readiness" bla bla says anymore than what tardpedia wrote on any topic.
17:54 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hey, i can honestly say i'm well entertained by the proceedings of us politics.
17:55 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706438 << the problem isn't "the model". the problem is you. it's not that "the model" is "not mature", it's that you aren't qualified to be thinking about such things.
17:55 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:46 kanzure: trinque: i think our disagreement is regarding the level of readiness or detail of a model. your requirement is one for models that are much more mature. i think it would be better if you insist on as much upfront in the future... i'll try to keep that in mind.
17:56 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is a wonderful time to be alive, even if the magical internet money could be ignored
17:56 mircea_popescu and this is on the purely livresque level of "hey guise, i have a great idea for a work of fiction".
17:56 mircea_popescu this doesn't go into how unqualified "you" are to implement such a thing. and by you i mean collectively, every monolinguistic english speaker, pantsuit, jew, etcetera.
17:57 mircea_popescu the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
17:57 mircea_popescu which is, incidentally, WHY you've nothing to show for your past decade, or the one before that.
18:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706447 << pretty muchy. ceteris censeo usg esse delendam, ruat caelum.
18:01 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:49 asciilifeform: i'd rather roast to death than live under amerireich.
18:02 mircea_popescu there may not be such a thing as the lincoln-roosevelt republic, and an end to life on earth is not sufficient cause to maintain it.
18:02 shinohai http://archive.is/DvFtx "there is no more risk of loss to our customers than to the customers of a snack machine." <<< maybe coke machine, however
18:04 shinohai Appears they are also moving their new "KeepKey" co out of the state as well.
18:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706449 << see alfie ? see how the goal bs is the tool of the enemy and no more ? see how you shapeshift them to try and survive ? and yet you can't survive the noxious nature of "goals", try as you might.
18:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:50 asciilifeform: my ultimate goal would be satisfied -- the demolition of californitardia and all it stood for.
18:06 mircea_popescu all it took was one day.
18:07 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706458 <<< nah. just another alt. their real them is like koschei's soul, in a needle in an egg in a duck in a rabbit up their ass on an island in a sea that doesn't exist.
18:07 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 18:58 trinque: their real-me is world-terraforming godman don't ya know?
18:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706459 << you don't understand, they "undid" the etherape. so it never happened. and besides there's no proof there even was a rapist. and so...
18:08 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:01 asciilifeform: it's just indescribably precious, 'i will move orbit of the earth', but can he produce so much as a thermostat that provably follows the claimed algo , rather than daotronic idiocy ?
18:08 mircea_popescu what, you can't undo fucked up orbits ?! AWW!
18:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706463 << yes. manias are repetitive and thereby uninteresting.
18:09 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:02 kanzure: do you have a specific problem with megalomania? or am i going to get a zen butt statement about balance in reply..
18:11 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706474 << same value as every other borderline finds in her "relationships". feels the void inside of you, where you know that you should've really gotten a lot further with what you had and why didn't you.
18:11 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:28 kanzure: what value would it be to dominate a bunch of aimless folx?
18:11 mircea_popescu codependency, pantsuit-orc as a "happy" fambly. pretty obvious from the outside, at that.
18:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706468 << hopefully they're not that fucking stupid. AND, unlike last time around, this time they have no fucking excuse.
18:12 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:10 asciilifeform: the last generation of idiot-savants gave socialists the nuke. this one wants to give'em, what, death star.
18:12 mircea_popescu there was no tmsr in 1940. but there is one today.
18:13 mircea_popescu "oh i didn't know better". maybe, but you SHOULD have known better.
18:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706493 << you know this happens ? human females will on occasion deliver litters. 3, 4, 5, 6 i think 7 is the record.
18:15 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> running joke is that girl is so miserable it better be 2nd and 3rd for all the damn trouble << Congrats on your impending 5th
18:15 mircea_popescu (also, amusingly, twinning might well be african trait. certainly most prevalent in central africa)
18:16 BingoBoingo Well, the vulpes wife is demonstrated fertile, will probably keep having babies fo another decade and a half
18:16 mircea_popescu people eventually have enough an' stop.
18:18 mircea_popescu speaking of which, anyone saw the 45,X0 mutation ? neckless "female".
18:20 mircea_popescu !!up cashmoney
18:20 deedbot cashmoney voiced for 30 minutes.
18:20 shinohai Welcome cashmoney
18:21 cashmoney hi
18:21 cashmoney just heard about this going to do some reading
18:21 mircea_popescu enjoy
18:22 BingoBoingo cashmoney: Any hobbies?
18:23 cashmoney linux , tech stuff
18:23 cashmoney internet culture
18:23 mircea_popescu you sound just like this guy i know.
18:24 ben_vulpes I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ALREADY
18:24 ben_vulpes "how many babies do you want?" "ZERO" "how many does she want?" "INFINITY"
18:24 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes she has a point tho, better do them all and be done with it.
18:24 mircea_popescu also, 2-3 kids better than 1.
18:24 mircea_popescu they keep each other busy.
18:24 ben_vulpes well yes, and actually joking aside my original point as well.
18:25 ben_vulpes "honey look total outlay on this is the integral of income fn for time under our roof, so let's have em fast and early while not making a whole lot of money"
18:25 mircea_popescu kek
18:26 cashmoney what else do you read
18:26 cashmoney what do u think of zero hedge
18:26 mircea_popescu sort-of like wikitropes : used to be good back when a few smart people did it. then it got famous, all the wasters looking for "brand" crowded it.
18:26 mircea_popescu too low snr to bother by now.
18:26 mircea_popescu = slashdot = take your pick.
18:27 cashmoney some of the comments are funny
18:27 shinohai cashmoney: Since you list `linux` as a hobby, have you tried http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html yet?
18:27 mircea_popescu depends how easily entertained you are. me, i find tiny gekkos on the wall funny. i'm easy like that.
18:28 cashmoney shinohai ill bookmark it
18:28 shinohai ^_____________^ @ gekkos
18:28 cashmoney this is one of these fringe little rooms that nobody knows about
18:28 cashmoney fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol
18:28 mircea_popescu mats re our ancient "annoying yelping japanese women", rando trilema commenter produced a "jewish cuckoldress" example : https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1117243257
18:28 mircea_popescu why the fuck do they do that shrill bs it's annoying.
18:29 mircea_popescu cashmoney dun worry about it, everyone knows, nobody admits.
18:29 cashmoney weev are u in here
18:29 cashmoney lol
18:29 BingoBoingo <cashmoney> fuck now im probably on a list for coming in here lol << There's only one winning move now that you are on the list...
18:29 mircea_popescu was at some point iirc.
18:29 mircea_popescu was that the guy with the short selling fund thing ?
18:29 BingoBoingo cashmoney: Weev kinda chikkkened outta here
18:29 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, Troll LLC
18:30 mircea_popescu right.
18:30 mircea_popescu check it out my memory got like one hit in 10 fails.
18:30 cashmoney what do u think about the Great Shuttering
18:30 mircea_popescu the who now ?
18:30 cashmoney Big Tech shutting down websites
18:30 BingoBoingo cashmoney: We have our own internet
18:30 cashmoney right wing sites getting hit, something weird is even going on with The Rebel
18:30 mircea_popescu you mean krebs going offline ?
18:30 mircea_popescu oh.
18:31 cashmoney its because of Charlottesville
18:31 mircea_popescu btw, did anyone actually buy gigaom after he quit or what happened ? i didn;'t follow the lulz.
18:33 ben_vulpes cashmoney: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193800
18:33 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
18:33 ben_vulpes oh cool there's a bug
18:33 mircea_popescu lol
18:35 mats white people love black dongs
18:35 mats video evidence
18:35 mircea_popescu proof!
18:37 mats just look at all of the related videos
18:39 cashmoney whatever happened to the MtGox guy
18:39 cashmoney is he in prison or what
18:39 mircea_popescu he's in the usg asset list.
18:44 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706662 << btw doesn't even resolve from ru, archive.is likewise is just blackholed (as opposed to periodic "blocked by ru authorities" page)
18:44 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 21:37 BingoBoingo: And in other returns https://dailystormer.al/
18:45 asciilifeform phf: massive unsurprise ?
18:45 phf incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront
18:45 asciilifeform obvious-proxy-is-obvious
18:45 asciilifeform lol
18:46 asciilifeform phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623624
18:46 a111 Logged on 2017-03-09 02:15 asciilifeform: re other 'sad people', asciilifeform's pet is fond of remarking 'if your work did >0, why you not yet been gassed'
18:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706670 << it dun load here, btw
18:48 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 21:40 BingoBoingo: https://dailystormer.al/christopher-cantwell-has-been-arrested-and-faces-20-years-for-standing-up-to-antifa-scum/
18:49 asciilifeform tcp'd to death, looks like.
18:49 asciilifeform ( which IS what it oughta be called, imho )
18:49 cashmoney 20 years for what?
18:49 cashmoney what did he do exactly besides ranting
18:50 asciilifeform !!up cashmoney
18:50 deedbot cashmoney voiced for 30 minutes.
18:52 mats its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement
18:52 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706706 << i dun need to shift'em, they are electron probability cloud. the measurement only happens in response to the question!11
18:52 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 22:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706449 << see alfie ? see how the goal bs is the tool of the enemy and no more ? see how you shapeshift them to try and survive ? and yet you can't survive the noxious nature of "goals", try as you might.
18:53 mats when he's inside he'll finally get a chance to kill some people like he talks about on camera
18:54 mats and smuggle dope with his butt
18:54 asciilifeform what did weev smuggle?
18:54 asciilifeform (and in what..)
18:56 mats who knows, but he seems to have joined the idiot brigade since he got out
18:58 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706780 << i need to add you to xref
18:58 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 22:33 ben_vulpes: cashmoney: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-8-30#193800
18:58 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2017-08-30 21:36 mircea_popescu: ACTION can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
18:59 ben_vulpes phf: would be highly neat
19:01 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706669 << i'm slightly surprised this was not yet Officially banned in 'mainstream' gui wwwtrons 'for the common good of HerDemoocracy' yet
19:01 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 21:40 mircea_popescu can't imagine why they didn't take the right tack and "just say no to icann". shoulda used naked ip, teach their userbase to.
19:01 shinohai !~ticker --market all
19:01 asciilifeform only a terrorist would lynx http://terrorist.ip.goes.here
19:01 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4579.84, vol: 8978.45194292 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4572.0, vol: 17208.61348409 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4499.484968, vol: 14394.40640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4577.44, vol: 4035.19890569 | Volume-weighted last average: 4550.67460122
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19:19 mats "The day Gorbachev said to the masses in Moscow: do not be afraid of the KGB, I took a death breath. This man is a real genius, I said... He is sitting on top of a terror machine that holds the damn pile together, and he says: do not be afraid. He must have a tremendous formula to democratize. Until I met him, and I found him completely bewildered by what was happening around him. He had jumped into the deep end of the
19:19 mats pool without learning how to swim." from an interview with Lee Kuan Yew
19:19 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes is log down ?
19:19 mircea_popescu o nm resolution issue.
19:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706794 << lulzy.
19:20 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 22:45 phf: incidentally btcbase log loads from moscow, which i consider a personal affront
19:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706799 << or anywhere else. it's purely dead.
19:21 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 22:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706670 << it dun load here, btw
19:22 mircea_popescu turkey, paris etc poisoning the cache as 1.1.1.1 ; otherwise the ip is supposed to be 198.251.90.113
19:22 ben_vulpes what is this bitmitigate thing
19:22 mircea_popescu the host.
19:23 mircea_popescu looks like they got a vpn for the lulz.
19:23 asciilifeform returns barf
19:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic
19:24 mats he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future
19:25 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WGSbc/?raw=true foir the curious.
19:25 mircea_popescu not really worth teh trouble, but w/e.
19:26 mircea_popescu anyway. there's a trilema about why rando doesn't talk to the press. this rando should have read it.
19:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706807 << which movement is this ?
19:28 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 22:52 mats: its an opportunity for cantwell to really get to know the movement
19:28 mircea_popescu so many movements consisting of various selections of seated dorks...
19:29 mats white nationalists / AB
19:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706819 << it sorta is, "security" whining about certs. then again, you have to be a special sort of retard to try and run dailystormer as a) a domain name and b) https.
19:29 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706669 << i'm slightly surprised this was not yet Officially banned in 'mainstream' gui wwwtrons 'for the common good of HerDemoocracy' yet
19:29 mircea_popescu but then again, as mats points out : they are a very special sort of retard.
19:30 mircea_popescu !~ud AB
19:30 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: AB :: "Aryan Brotherhood" A known prison gang consisting of neo-nazis or skinheads. [ex:] Look at my new "AB" tattoo. I got it in prison after joining the Aryan Brotherhood. [/ex] | Ass-backwards, behind the times, not modern [ex:] Man this state is AB! I can't even find a 7-11. [/ex] | Acronym for Adult Baby... see [infantilism], [adult baby] [ex:] "Hey dude, why are you wearing a (13 more messages)
19:30 mircea_popescu o hey
19:30 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706837 >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UPyvf/?raw=true
19:30 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if dig dailystormer.al returns 1.1.1.1 for you, your cache's been poisoned by teh tards over at eu nic
19:30 asciilifeform ^ which all by itself, is interesting... a null ?
19:31 mircea_popescu your dns is even shittier than previously thought.
19:31 mircea_popescu why are you asking 8.8.8.8 ANYTHING ?
19:32 asciilifeform because i'm hanging off a wardrived shithole prolly
19:32 asciilifeform at any rate, worx via dulap.
19:32 mircea_popescu how about use a better resolving scheme if you're the special sort of ... ahem that uses dns in the first place.
19:32 asciilifeform thread was about dns, wasnnit.
19:32 mircea_popescu like you know, the way you do your node infrastructure, triangulation etc.
19:33 asciilifeform specifically monkeystani dns
19:33 mircea_popescu eys but nobody obliges you to just eat google turds re the namechain.
19:33 mircea_popescu can at the very least have a diverse herd of liars.
19:33 asciilifeform deliberately did not bother for this example
19:33 mircea_popescu aite then.
19:34 asciilifeform but yes it worx ( for nao ) via the eurasian and eastasian incacitadels
19:34 asciilifeform only oceania hiccups.
19:34 mircea_popescu anyway. google thinks it's a-ok for them to null name adverts.
19:34 mircea_popescu hurr durr.
19:36 asciilifeform just like it's a-ok to solarshade uppity terrorists aha
19:36 asciilifeform noncompliance with regulation for ethical treatment of tulpas, dontchaknow
19:37 asciilifeform and misgendering of mealsquares.
19:37 asciilifeform and who knows what other treasons.
19:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706838 << intellectual laziness. it'd be easier if the item that organised his mental life as a youth didn't go to hell in a handbasket during his life.
19:37 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:24 mats: he also reiterates a sense of usg enduring through its current debt and deficits, and i struggle to understand how he, a great builder, can believe that fiscal irresponsibility will be rewarded in the future
19:38 mircea_popescu cuz that way he wouldn't have a boatload of deeply baked in shit to reconsider.
19:38 mircea_popescu also, i thought the guy was dead. did he return ?
19:39 asciilifeform still dead afaik
19:39 mircea_popescu mats was quoting him as if alive, or i got confused.
19:40 mircea_popescu anyway. it seems rather obvious that after the decapitation of new york "financial" brains, the decapitation of california "tech" brains is coming up.
19:41 mircea_popescu even odds "bay area" goes to the bottom of the sea before the decade's out.
19:42 asciilifeform is exactly where it belongs. with 100% of crew.
19:45 danielpbarron http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1695538 "the pogoplug experiment had nothing to do with scaling" << also it worked fine on my pogo. the only issue was i was doing it on some systemd monstrocity of a linux. There's no reason it wouldn't also work on a cuntoo-pogo as well
19:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-09 00:05 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz for alf, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1959633.msg19501495#msg19501495
19:45 asciilifeform lolwat
19:45 * asciilifeform reads..
19:45 asciilifeform danielpbarron: which it
19:45 danielpbarron trb
19:46 asciilifeform how long your longest run of trb on pogo, danielpbarron ?
19:46 asciilifeform ( with 0 ooms or otherwise reset of process )
19:46 danielpbarron several months i think
19:46 asciilifeform didja give it massive swap or wat
19:47 asciilifeform because even in whole 1G i never saw trb live for >week
19:47 asciilifeform much less 256M
19:47 danielpbarron oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box
19:47 asciilifeform aaaaaah lol
19:47 danielpbarron ah, yeah i gave it swap
19:47 asciilifeform that burns ssd like scarcely anything else
19:48 asciilifeform if you're ready to swap them biyearly -- i suppose it's an answer, of sorts.
19:49 danielpbarron well it also has usb3, can put a thing in there just for swap to save the main hd
19:49 asciilifeform slooow
19:49 danielpbarron can get up-to-date on big box and copy to pogo
19:50 asciilifeform and if it falls behind ?
19:50 danielpbarron my big box is perpetually 100 blox behind
19:50 asciilifeform there's an inflection point, where slow box behind by some B blox, can never catch up
19:50 asciilifeform work it out for yours.
19:51 asciilifeform i had a box like this, 'incitatus' (see l0gz), threw it out
19:51 asciilifeform because worse-than-useless
19:52 asciilifeform a trb node that's perpetually months (or yearz) behind topheight, mainly sits around rejecting tx all day long
19:54 mircea_popescu yeah the 100 blocks thing is no good.
19:55 mod6 evenin
19:56 asciilifeform heya mod6
19:56 mod6 how goes today?
19:58 asciilifeform mod6: variously
19:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706896 << ftr current zoolag runs in 2GB of physical
19:58 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 23:47 danielpbarron: oh idk, i probably reset it a few times in the process but i do that even on my 32 gig RAM box
19:58 mod6 asciilifeform: werd
20:02 mod6 went back to that .ua place kramarczuk's for lunch. had another ruban, got more sausages from the deli. couldn't resist.
20:02 asciilifeform neato
20:02 mod6 had some chocolate royale cake.
20:03 mod6 yeah, pretty outstanding.
20:05 mircea_popescu http://btcinfo.sdf.org/irc/ << o hai shinohai
20:05 shinohai Hai mircea_popescu :D
20:07 shinohai Iused to have a kiwi irc there too, but prefer gb
20:08 mod6 hai shinohai
20:08 shinohai o7 mod6
20:09 mod6 how you doin?
20:09 shinohai Not too bad here, watching it rain and reading logz, you?
20:10 mod6 same. just trying to catch up on todays stuff. working on eom stuff.
20:10 shinohai Ah yes, time for the soba
20:11 mod6 Speaking of which, if any Republicans have any changes to their advertised node, now is the time to let me know. Thanks!
20:11 asciilifeform mod6: mine still exactly where they were last month
20:11 mod6 tyvm alf
20:11 asciilifeform ( zoolag still syncing , however. slowly walking through the upper 300s atm )
20:12 mod6 yeah, im doin like 400 blocks per day...
20:12 mod6 "blocks" : 463407,
20:12 trinque deedbot's as listed, til I sign otherwise
20:12 mod6 this is not ideal hardware though, so I should add that.
20:13 asciilifeform i dun have any 'idea' hardwares
20:13 asciilifeform *ideal
20:13 mod6 do you have ssd?
20:13 asciilifeform in zoolag yes
20:13 mod6 trinque: thx! how goes down there?
20:13 mod6 asciilifeform: then that's more ideal than what I'm workin with for sure.
20:14 trinque just fine; took a drive around and really not much "inner loop" damage, cept for shitty buildings and etc.
20:14 trinque we dump our water on the surrounding areas!
20:14 shinohai "blocks" : 418025,
20:14 mod6 ah, werd. but you didn't need to "urban kayak" your way out the door or down the street?
20:14 shinohai "connections" : 5,
20:15 * shinohai is working on some upgrades
20:15 trinque mod6: not once
20:16 mod6 that's good.
~ 24 minutes ~
20:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706495 : i'm beginning to wonder if it was simply because of WHO asked. i can't really blame $chix for not relishing the prospect of kanzure et al riding her l337 w4r4z to stolen relevancy esr-style
20:40 a111 Logged on 2017-08-30 19:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706321 << so how is this any kind of fucking improvement.
20:41 kanzure well if it's true that i was the origin of her doxx (which is totally possible, i fucked up), that might color her deicsion, although her continuing to talk with me anyway doesn't add hope to that being right
20:42 asciilifeform why would a ru chix give a shit re 'dox'
20:42 asciilifeform she ain't a shitreich subject
20:42 kanzure well i think she was attempting to be anonymous she was just bad at it, back in 2013 and pre-2013
20:43 kanzure one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents.
20:44 asciilifeform i thought there wasn't a torrent...?
20:44 kanzure few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago
20:44 kanzure well there's some stuff from libgen that is allegedly a backup or mirror if scihub
20:44 kanzure but it's not downloadable in any reasonable human timeframe
20:44 kanzure http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent_notforall/
20:45 kanzure http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent/
20:45 asciilifeform i'm not convinced there is anything valuable in there.
20:45 kanzure it's about ~50 TB total of a large chunk of all papers
20:46 asciilifeform ( the comp sci papers that actually mattered, plus a handful of 1990s bernsteins, are already on my hdd... )
20:46 asciilifeform mattered -- 1980s & prior.
20:46 kanzure reportedly 97% coverage of entire elsevier collection
20:47 asciilifeform and if these vaporized tonight, what do we lose ? buncha publishorperish LPU liquishit, where authors concealed ~all raw data, played hanky with pvalues, all the usual nonsense
20:47 asciilifeform i was in this racket, got out. 0 regrets.
20:48 kanzure you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless.
20:48 asciilifeform libraries were spiffy back when filled with actual work, by actual people
20:49 asciilifeform but somehow not obvious that dropping snr by churning out liquishit is every bit as destructive as burning library ?
20:50 asciilifeform ( far more so... a burned library, could be restored conceivably from copies. a liquishitted library, field, whole of academia -- try and fix ! )
20:54 * asciilifeform bbl, meat
~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~
22:05 trinque BingoBoingo: I continue to read into the history of the Houston Bayous; this will likely end up a blog post rather than quick news.
22:06 trinque for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou!
22:11 BingoBoingo trinque: cool
22:18 trinque !!up gabriel_laddel_p
22:18 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
22:19 trinque what's new in the life of g_l?
22:19 gabriel_laddel_p almost died. just spent 30 days in the hospital.
22:19 trinque what'd ya do?
22:20 gabriel_laddel_p fell 2-3 stories directly onto my legs. shattered one.
22:20 * trinque sits back for the story
22:20 gabriel_laddel_p me goes "fuck you", stays up, codes for 2-3 days anyways.
22:20 gabriel_laddel_p eventually forced into hospital
22:21 gabriel_laddel_p (others)
22:21 mod6 wat
22:21 trinque what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered?
22:21 gabriel_laddel_p I'm german and don't stop for anyone.
22:22 gabriel_laddel_p gene
22:22 gabriel_laddel_p that aside, just masamune bs.
22:22 gabriel_laddel_p theoretically, aside from the place I'm at now I have a room paid for without me doing anything.
22:23 gabriel_laddel_p but am lazy and have a lispm in front of me (more or less) and want to nail this damn thing.
22:23 gabriel_laddel_p there is supposed to be a lisp conference in sf in like 10 months I have to prepare for
22:24 gabriel_laddel_p would like to selll 100x machines there.
22:25 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: how did it come about... misadventure with parachute?
22:25 trinque forgive me if I disbelieve the part where you shattered your leg then went "meh, time to code"
22:25 trinque also wtf, if you're going to tell a story start at the beginning
22:26 mod6 how did you "fall" ?
22:26 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: I got preoccupied with girl on train, ended up heading to Berkley rather than Palo Alto by complete accident. oh no, 10:30!. Everything closed & I've been banned from all
22:26 gabriel_laddel_p communities in sf / Berkley area
22:27 gabriel_laddel_p me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up".
22:27 trinque ahaha
22:28 gabriel_laddel_p this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy
22:28 asciilifeform i had nfi it were possible to be 'banned from berkeley' - what is this, 1500s germany?
22:29 gabriel_laddel_p (managed to climb anyways after accident). went back home after working for a few more days & scared the shit out of strangers / locals who've seen me via inability to walk
22:29 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: nonono, like all the houses of people I know in the area
22:29 gabriel_laddel_p I've been banned from everything
22:29 gabriel_laddel_p everywhere
22:29 gabriel_laddel_p the "sf startup crowd" hates my guts.
22:30 asciilifeform how'd that come about ?
22:30 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p threw a pie in thiel's face?
22:30 gabriel_laddel_p I'm sane and they're unilaterally morons. I'm not coy about it.
22:30 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: actually, someone who works next to thiel day in day out got demo'd masamune. didn't get it.
22:31 gabriel_laddel_p "how does CLIM solve the problems of layout engines?"
22:31 gabriel_laddel_p me: "listen, that you even think a 'layout engine' is a thing means you have no future, period. conversation is over, stop wasting my time"
22:32 trinque look man you don't go around hitting people with the dick you imagine you'll have someday
22:32 trinque or rather, you do, and it's hilarious. keep it up.
22:33 gabriel_laddel_p fwiw, the conversation went of the rails before that. guy is actually a moron who by complete luck was involved with google earth.
22:33 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: have you considered switching geographies ?
22:34 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: I have a criminal record. prolly gotta make 20 MM or so first.
22:34 asciilifeform how about outside of reich ?
22:34 asciilifeform i dun think belarus gives a damn re your unpaid traffic fines etc
22:34 gabriel_laddel_p easier to just make a bunch of money, pay off whatever.
22:35 gabriel_laddel_p (lawyers, courts, passports)
22:35 gabriel_laddel_p as if I'
22:35 asciilifeform did usg actually impound yer passport, gabriel_laddel_p ?
22:35 gabriel_laddel_p never had one.
22:35 gabriel_laddel_p I
22:36 gabriel_laddel_p ve only lived two places. birthplace & CA.
22:36 asciilifeform that'd be a problem.
22:36 asciilifeform didntcha say sumthing about germany tho
22:36 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: you realize I don't like... pay bills, rent, whatever, right?
22:36 asciilifeform in this case it's a plus
22:36 gabriel_laddel_p like what the fuck even is paperwork
22:37 asciilifeform can move anywhere
22:37 asciilifeform can't get broker than broke, neh
22:37 gabriel_laddel_p I want my goddamn lispm as of two decades ago please.
22:37 gabriel_laddel_p (aged 5)
22:38 gabriel_laddel_p why am /I/ doing this?
22:38 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: speaking of this, while you had your misadventure, various things happened re march to lispm, e.g.,
22:38 asciilifeform !#s ice40
22:38 a111 28 results for "ice40", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ice40
22:39 asciilifeform phf is in ru electron micrographing an 'ivory'
22:39 gabriel_laddel_p !?
22:39 asciilifeform aha.
22:39 gabriel_laddel_p these logs will make some fun reading.
22:42 kanzure http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-16#954453 << false.
22:42 a111 Logged on 2014-12-16 04:00 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals
22:42 mircea_popescu oh ?
22:42 kanzure full-collateralization only
22:43 mircea_popescu but do you deliver ?
22:43 kanzure i implemented that yes
22:43 mircea_popescu not quite the same thing.
22:45 asciilifeform promisetronium! Just As Good As btc!1!!! (Only A Terrorist would dispute!)
22:46 mircea_popescu shinohai: "connections" : 5, << i think that's how many of the trb list are actually up atm
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform conceivably he's also not in a position to make decisions. recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704499
22:47 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 00:26 kanzure: oh yeah, i'm not. ok.
22:47 asciilifeform 'oh i was in the ss but made no gassing decisions'
22:48 asciilifeform aaand unlike ss, shitcoinola usg.ops dun conscript nobody.
22:49 asciilifeform involvement is strictly voluntary.
22:49 asciilifeform d00d ain't doing it to make the rent, either.
22:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can see why his working for fiat lulzfest attempting to fight battle usg lost back in 2014 may not earn him any brownie points with you or trinque or anyone else
22:50 mircea_popescu nevertheless i'm not about to declare working for the shitpiles verboten. especially if the dood is smart enoughj to take his payment in cash.
22:50 mircea_popescu someone's gotta bleed the mits.
22:51 asciilifeform maybe he bleeds it, maybe serves it well and with gusto. asciilifeform does not presently know.
22:51 mircea_popescu coincidentally, i was watching underground. saw it ?
22:51 asciilifeform nein
22:52 mircea_popescu a, may be worth trying. kusturica film, group of ww2 partisans spend all of tito's reign in a cellar.
22:52 mircea_popescu thinking air raids still going on and so forth.
22:52 asciilifeform ooh hey sounds delish
22:52 * asciilifeform puts on list
22:52 mircea_popescu this ledgerx thing, very much reminiscent of crny's hand-made rifles.
22:52 mircea_popescu "tito said he wants you for the last battle!"
22:53 mircea_popescu "what do you mean the battle of the bulge was done by 1945 ?! we will fight it next year! 1967!"
22:54 asciilifeform see also lt. onoda...
22:54 mircea_popescu something like that.
22:56 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/z7Ewt
22:56 BingoBoingo <gabriel_laddel_p> this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy << cocaine or which-amphetamine
22:58 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo check them out, doods think they're central ?
22:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706954 << not like she fucking wrote it.
22:58 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 00:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706495 : i'm beginning to wonder if it was simply because of WHO asked. i can't really blame $chix for not relishing the prospect of kanzure et al riding her l337 w4r4z to stolen relevancy esr-style
22:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: who did ?
22:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, for a couple hours they were as far as anglophone alt-right was... Until we made great great again
22:59 mircea_popescu whoever is denoted by $chix
22:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706960 << nobody outside of tmsr has any servers do they.
22:59 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 00:43 kanzure: one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents.
23:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: alexandra of ru . wrote, as i understand, the snarfer and wareztron.
23:00 mircea_popescu srsly, dailystormer dorks running out of a vps, for all the "omg ddos" pretense...
23:00 mircea_popescu wasn't it tashkent or something ? bishkek ?
23:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i suspect this is exactly the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667701 item.
23:01 a111 Logged on 2017-06-09 15:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667584 << it is not, and ain't going to be, i'm not especially interested in helping folx to 'embrace and extinguish' it. as far as i'm concerned, 100% of the output is verifiable with the bignum calculator of your choice (e.g. 'bc') and it is no concern of anybody's how it was obtained.
23:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706962 << back when i dumped the cables, i just put them on trilema. very downloadable by everyone. that's the correct approach.
23:01 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 00:44 kanzure: few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago
23:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought the issue was access to said data, not how it was obtained.
23:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it ain't a static blob of warez, there is l as i understand, a snarfer , proxytron, etc
23:02 asciilifeform grabs it from the derps in real time
23:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706974 << http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ ie, yes, have something against "science" as practiced by 20 and 30 something english speaking payola powered retards. which yes, is ~all the whatever collection.
23:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 00:48 kanzure: you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless.
23:03 asciilifeform it's moar of a phuctor than a usgdos cableleax.
23:03 mircea_popescu then how could it be a torrent.
23:03 asciilifeform kanzure et al made snapshots of some.
23:03 mircea_popescu i suppose could be in volumes yeah.
23:03 mircea_popescu o btw, anyone ever dug through that large sr collection ? i recall some people dlding it at some point.
23:04 mircea_popescu keys extracted ? anything ?
23:04 mircea_popescu about 100x more interesting i suspect. not that this means it's all that interesting.
23:04 asciilifeform Framedragger iirc began.
23:04 mircea_popescu o ya what happened to teh latvian.
23:04 asciilifeform lessee when he comes back from europistan
23:04 asciilifeform ( he warned of an extended voyage )
23:04 mircea_popescu tru.
23:05 mircea_popescu maybe he comes back with trins, gives ben_vulpes a run for the crown.
23:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706980 << should be an interesting read when done.
23:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 02:06 trinque: for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou!
23:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1706993 << naggumol. want some ?
23:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 02:21 trinque: what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered?
23:07 asciilifeform young fellas want to kamikaze, die with honour for the emperor's cherry blossoms, wat.
23:08 asciilifeform not available? will fall off roof with comp...
23:08 asciilifeform !!up gabriel_laddel_p
23:08 deedbot gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
23:08 trinque asciilifeform: so why didn't he come work for you then?
23:08 trinque for free.
23:08 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707007 <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-nine/#selection-1445.1644-1445.1855 ?!
23:08 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 02:27 gabriel_laddel_p: me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up".
23:09 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: not even slightly. personally, the whole "almost died" thing is from the doctors.
23:09 gabriel_laddel_p err... the whole "almost died" thing is from the the doctors. they said this, I should have not just repeated it in logs.
23:09 gabriel_laddel_p imho I would have been fine after a week of sleep
23:10 mircea_popescu the black knight always triumphs!
23:10 gabriel_laddel_p (with, admittedly a broken leg that would take some time to heal, just like now)
23:10 mircea_popescu fractures have to be set, yo.
23:10 gabriel_laddel_p do they?
23:10 gabriel_laddel_p idk.
23:10 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel_p: folx who dun sleep, die like aids patients
23:10 mircea_popescu yes. there's no cranes delivered with the muscle/bone arrangement to auto-set failures.
23:11 mircea_popescu i wonder if they still do the whole fracture setting class for soldiers these days. prolly not.
23:11 gabriel_laddel_p I know nothing about medicine & defer to my betters.
23:11 asciilifeform paging mats
23:11 mircea_popescu yes well, next time you break anything see a doctor within the hour.
23:12 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: anyways, no intent to die for anyone. however also no intent to waste even a minute more of my life on stupid nonsense, ever.
23:12 mircea_popescu eating is not stupid nonsense.
23:12 asciilifeform hey mats did usg schutzstaffel corps teachya to set legs ?
23:12 mircea_popescu schutzfallafel.
23:13 asciilifeform wunderwaffle.
23:13 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: agreed. I love eating, but my finances go from 0 to 1k back to 0... regularly
23:13 mircea_popescu at your age that's traditional.
23:14 gabriel_laddel_p & having been banned from the number of social circles etc etc I end up in strange positions all the time.
23:14 mircea_popescu howdja get banned ?
23:15 gabriel_laddel_p "what we are doing today is more important than anything the rest of this supposed startup is going to do, period. go away" (to persons gf)
23:15 gabriel_laddel_p what we were doing was installing masamune.
23:15 mircea_popescu why so hostile ?
23:16 gabriel_laddel_p girl was not attractive enough for me to care, already been paid, the startup idea isn't even an idea
23:17 gabriel_laddel_p it is so clearly and utterly obvious that I'm more important than, whatever, all of sf
23:17 gabriel_laddel_p that they all talk about me at "parties"
23:17 trinque folks are sometimes hesitant to pay you again after "lol fuck you bitch, got your money"
23:17 mircea_popescu oh ? and what do they say ?
23:17 gabriel_laddel_p which is why I have a place to stay & someone making me food right now.
23:17 mircea_popescu is she hot ?
23:18 * mircea_popescu can sorta follow the logic, "fuck it, no longer need legs now"
23:18 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: well, in this instance the (guy) in question thought I sounded important & invited me to come live for a bit. parents making dinner.
23:18 asciilifeform he ain't named bernstein by any chance??
23:18 gabriel_laddel_p the girl discussing me with one of my friends is super duper impressed with me, and increasingly so'
23:18 gabriel_laddel_p asciilifeform: lol no.
23:19 mircea_popescu is she 16 ?
23:19 kanzure asciilifeform: there is a cache of all the papers. anything not cached is snarfed in real-time through ezproxy magic. yes.
23:19 * asciilifeform was about to ask 'she ain't named tanja lange...?' lol
23:19 gabriel_laddel_p he's unimportant, but a nice fellow & knows his place in the universe. just decent white people.
23:20 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: nah. like 20-something. I don't talk to her or anything, but, again, people run into, ban, then discuss me at lenght
23:20 kanzure asciilifeform: the torrents are not mine; those are snapshots from either libgen or maybe scihub.
23:20 mircea_popescu i suppose this also could go on the list, other than the teixochips and microscope : depdfizing and SELECTING the decent papers in that pile.
23:20 asciilifeform kanzure: why dontcha simply re-create the engine ?
23:20 mircea_popescu throw all the crap out, publish the rest as plain text/html.
23:21 asciilifeform ^
23:21 mircea_popescu could trivially throw out a large chunk by applying methodical selection criteria. "fails to include its dataset, NUKED"
23:21 kanzure re: throwing out the crap, someone was working on 'compression' (since pdf is awful and highly redundant). he estimated the total data could be 10x reduced.
23:21 mircea_popescu like in the old warez days.
23:21 gabriel_laddel_p to finish that story, I was not even at this party, and don't to any of them + have started charging people to meet with me.
23:21 mircea_popescu proper releases or go away.
23:21 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel_p sounds like shit's looking up for you then!
23:21 gabriel_laddel_p rich kids who think they're clever hate this, apparently.
23:21 asciilifeform kanzure: djvu in place of pdf, say, for starters
23:22 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: yes , finally.
23:22 mircea_popescu kanzure the crap i mean, actual bad "research" papers.
23:22 mircea_popescu optimistically 1% may be worth existing.
23:22 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: fwiw, can't wait for the 5-10 years or w/e to come meet irl at some point.
23:22 gabriel_laddel_p sf sucks. tsmr rocks.
23:22 mircea_popescu AND the fact of the matter is that the whole "scientific community" is a bunch of desperate teenaged cunts. all they need is a trump to pussygrab them, and they're cheering for his appearnce.
23:23 mircea_popescu throw up MOST of the papers, establish a level they have to meet, be the king of angloscience.
23:23 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel_p so what's a plane to cr, 500 bux
23:23 kanzure yes but the scihub person isn't do that :(
23:23 mircea_popescu so you do it.
23:23 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: criminal record.
23:23 mircea_popescu um.
23:23 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: can't get passport
23:23 mircea_popescu i had nfi you're a felon. what'd you do again ?
23:23 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: I
23:24 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: I'm not a felon. trespassing & petty theft + ignored warrants for years.
23:24 mircea_popescu afaik unless felon, can get passport. talk to a mexican lawyer.
23:24 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: will do.
23:25 asciilifeform iirc folx with outstanding warrant get no passport in usaschwitz. but ianal.
23:25 mircea_popescu has to be federal, which wouldn't be for "trespassing" ie i got drunk at a party.
23:25 mircea_popescu but i have nfi what he actually did etc.
23:25 asciilifeform tru!
23:26 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: inside research lab. at night. with no ID to be in there.
23:26 mircea_popescu eh, all the peta dorks have passports.
23:26 gabriel_laddel_p imho, throw money at problem, goes away like most else.
23:26 asciilifeform phunphakt re usa inmates : most live and die passportless
23:26 mircea_popescu well, before money, some thought.
23:27 gabriel_laddel_p don't be poor.
23:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707010 << i expect it's mostly a sign of recognition. his narrative seems to confirm.
23:27 a111 Logged on 2017-08-31 02:28 asciilifeform: i had nfi it were possible to be 'banned from berkeley' - what is this, 1500s germany?
23:28 gabriel_laddel_p mircea_popescu: criuise ships don't really check ID + bribes exist. I can probably take a one way cruise, hop off & become someone else if I felt like putting in the effort/
23:28 mircea_popescu kanzure and no fucking djavu either.
23:28 mircea_popescu im not aware the shitpiles are allowed in here. but perhaps.
23:28 kanzure huh? asciilifeform said djvu is yes
23:29 mircea_popescu he's a heretic.
23:29 gabriel_laddel_p off for a few days to heal, work & catch up on logs. nice chatting.
23:30 mircea_popescu html of text plus img WHEN NEEDED. that's what science is.
23:30 mircea_popescu djavu is for vampire fanfic.
23:32 kanzure do you feel bad knowing that it's for vampire fanfic? is that something you really want to know?
23:32 mircea_popescu um. what ?
23:32 kanzure i haven't checked if that's the case.
23:33 asciilifeform djvu is a nonturingcomplete item, rather like a multipage jpeg with asciitext ocrtrack (optional)
23:33 kanzure anyway, i agree that the data is in terrible format, should be fixed before dumping 50 TB of crap on everyone
23:33 mircea_popescu omfg my derrogatories don't even register with this guy.
23:33 asciilifeform lol
23:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes yes, it's a better turdormat.
23:33 kanzure i called you an idiot and you gave me money. the non-registration goes both ways.
23:34 mircea_popescu !#s idiot from:kanzure
23:34 a111 2 results for "idiot from:kanzure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiot%20from%3Akanzure
23:34 mircea_popescu apparently you did not ?
23:34 kanzure hmm. that's unsettling.
23:34 mircea_popescu inquire with teh tulpas.
23:35 asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html << example of one 'handmade' alternative to djvu & similar
23:35 asciilifeform ( for vintage paperz )
23:35 mircea_popescu !~calc 8 * 60 * 180
23:35 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 8 * 60 * 180 = 86400
23:36 kanzure asciilifeform: you mean... png?
23:36 mircea_popescu kanzure you could probably RETYPE, by your own hand, all the science worth existing being produced each day thrice over.
23:36 asciilifeform ( it doesn't texthighlight, however )
23:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the WHOLE POINT is to get future science to hyperlink old articles.
23:36 mircea_popescu just like select-link to trilema/archive.is works now
23:36 kanzure mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried.
23:36 mircea_popescu this is 100 times more valuable than "oh noes, i drew out my product symbol hurr"
23:37 mircea_popescu for the inept "typographic" qualities you gain with dejavu and it's shittier monkistan degradations, you LOSE OUT!!! on the only important thing. the only thing that fucking matters. the hyperlinking.
23:38 mircea_popescu it's why we even made the fucking net in the first fucking place motherfuckers.
23:38 mircea_popescu not so idiots could "oh noes, typography, like in a book"
23:38 mircea_popescu what, you weren't there, what the fuck happened ?
23:39 mircea_popescu "i want my computer to lisp because i want to inspect the trees and i think science should be in acrylate slices, like the fucking horses"
23:40 asciilifeform it ain't ever coming out of said slices except by hand entry
23:40 asciilifeform nonzero error ocr is a nogo
23:40 mircea_popescu he can type fast.
23:40 mircea_popescu ALL this takes is to have a basis. it'll acrete once that is large enough.
23:40 asciilifeform would have to separate the flies from the cutlets tho
23:41 mircea_popescu i did say.
23:41 asciilifeform and i suspect that there are no cutlets in there.
23:41 asciilifeform not any moar.
23:41 mircea_popescu but this is why i'm not telling you to do it.
23:41 mircea_popescu he -- thinks otherwise.
23:41 asciilifeform tru.
23:42 mircea_popescu which should answer #hpluswhatwas it's curiosity. i can coerce, because people can't live with themselves if they don't do as i say. a lesson some learn on own skin and some intuit naturally.
23:42 asciilifeform btw worth recalling the fate of various 'open access journal'
23:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness, all were run by jwzs.
23:44 asciilifeform this is so. but in the process exposed that whole edifice is a prestigefarm: 'it won't get me tenuretracked at shitbridge, why should i print there'
23:45 asciilifeform arxive -- exists. nobody ddoses it, even. but folx who want jerbs, still fellate elsevier.
23:45 mircea_popescu maybe he's nuts enough to actually act autonomously, who knows.
23:45 mircea_popescu arxive is jwz through and through. most all of it is crap.
23:46 asciilifeform 'but pray tell mr babbage, if i put into the machine the wrong figures...'
23:46 mircea_popescu but don't put in the wrong figures.
23:46 mircea_popescu that's whart a fucking library is for in the first place.
23:47 asciilifeform indisputably
23:48 BingoBoingo <gabriel_laddel_p> do they? << Yes, unless you want to be gimped for life. It's a permanent hit to your hitpoints
23:52 BingoBoingo * asciilifeform was about to ask 'she ain't named tanja lange...?' lol << LOLOLOLOLOL
23:55 asciilifeform re elsevier : good name imho for a journal would be ' ELSEWHERE '
23:56 asciilifeform 'don't print at elsevier, go... ELSEWHERE '
23:56 BingoBoingo <kanzure> mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried. << Have you tried building an obelisk for your science. I hear it works wonders.
23:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not bad.
23:58 mircea_popescu tho maybe he wants to usew you know, his own name. Bryan Bishop's Actual Science Report.
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