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00:01 mircea_popescu !!ssh 131.252.130.248
00:01 mircea_popescu hmm which was it.
00:02 mircea_popescu !$ssh 131.252.130.248
00:02 mircea_popescu kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys ; but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf.
00:03 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we're ~61% though the Framedragger dataset atm.
00:03 mircea_popescu aha. not to mention you know, http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/ and so on.
00:04 asciilifeform ( after this -- Framedragger take2; then ssl ... )
00:04 mircea_popescu but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don't have the time to study it don't study it"
00:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey, why would they want to study it! can simply 'unhappen' it. i suspect they will not even flinch when we start formatting their hdds
00:05 asciilifeform and zeroing their fw.
00:05 mircea_popescu o lol, what was that, i recall something in this vein
00:05 mircea_popescu oh oh, the alt-power dorks, right right.
00:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform : in other news, cat *.log | wc -l > 1231786.
00:08 mircea_popescu !~calc 1231786 / 365 / 5
00:08 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1231786 / 365 / 5 = 674.9512328767123
00:09 asciilifeform today's?!
00:09 mircea_popescu reasonably active.
00:09 mircea_popescu nah, all time. 5 years or so.
00:09 asciilifeform aa
00:09 asciilifeform aaah the heathens
00:09 asciilifeform that's what, a month of us.
00:09 asciilifeform in 5y...
00:09 mircea_popescu nah, about 5 years.
00:10 mircea_popescu what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines a day or something like that. about same.
00:10 asciilifeform #gavins or wherever, about same, i suspect ( if largely part-join spamola )
00:10 mircea_popescu ah, i didn't specifically exclude that. lessee.
00:12 mircea_popescu cat *log | grep -v ' \[~' | wc -l > 921344
00:12 mircea_popescu notrly that bad. 1/3 or so.
00:13 asciilifeform now if only it were something more interesting than thiel fellatio, string-theoretical quantum mimblewimbles, and gaseous nutritions...
00:14 asciilifeform ( so far is all i saw )
00:14 mircea_popescu time has a splendid way of resolving such uncertainties.
00:15 asciilifeform whole thing reeks rancidly of 'bay aryan'. whether there is something of substance buried beneath the kilometres of sludge -- i cannot say.
00:16 mircea_popescu i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren't you alfie.
00:16 BingoBoingo 'bay aryan' is just another way of spelling 'gay carrion'
00:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i live to see the thermoablation of shitifornia, i will have lived long enough.
00:18 asciilifeform ideally 1 perfect sheet of glass, not 1 tree standing.
00:18 mircea_popescu dja have any idea what that'd cost ?
00:18 asciilifeform well clearly toomuch. but can dream!11
00:18 mircea_popescu nobody's doing it. this is like "i want him so shot fulla lead, it's practically a 2x2 lead sheet he impacts with".
00:18 mircea_popescu "but sir... that's kinda not how bullets work"
00:18 asciilifeform wellyes.
00:19 asciilifeform recall scene from '100 yrs of solitude'
00:19 asciilifeform with the wheelbarrow.
00:19 mircea_popescu really though, what did minessota ever do to you
00:19 mircea_popescu or to anyone for that matter.
00:19 asciilifeform and will point out, glass sheet consisting of former 'bay area' ~is~ possible.
00:20 asciilifeform pretty much all of nerve center of derpistan is a few square km, today just as it was in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703758 .
00:20 a111 Logged on 2017-08-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction.
00:20 mircea_popescu yeah. complete ablation not the way to go, even the mongols left a blind and a deaf man to tell the story.
00:21 mircea_popescu 16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) << i wonder if this sorta thing ever gives them any pause.
00:21 asciilifeform pretty sure that the curative asteroid would also leave behind a few blind,deaf crapple campus janitor, to tell tale.
00:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform saw the lulzy part where superficial fenn correctly identifies usg as "a bunch of neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves" ?
00:23 asciilifeform entirely correct
00:23 mircea_popescu ikr ?
00:23 mircea_popescu even the blind clock...
00:23 asciilifeform aha.
00:24 mircea_popescu anyway. kinda not so much there that i want to read other days on its basis.
00:24 asciilifeform btw the original 'donor blood' BcHE 'bioscavenger' thing -- afaik still in production. when you donate blood in usa, chances are, some of it goes to help lizards survive their inevitable someday contact with the curative gas.
00:24 mircea_popescu kanzure recommend a coupla good log days in your estimation if you will.
00:24 asciilifeform as 20k-usd/dose prophylactic.
00:25 mircea_popescu heh
00:25 mircea_popescu not even that expensive. one openbsd.
00:25 asciilifeform per fucktard per day.
00:25 mircea_popescu sounds about right
00:25 asciilifeform y'know, the old legends re liches drinking blood of young ? well, these -- do.
00:25 asciilifeform literally.
00:27 mircea_popescu hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren't ilya.
00:28 asciilifeform they largely die of boredom.
00:28 asciilifeform turns out -- koschei's sharpest knife.
00:28 mircea_popescu guess so.
00:30 asciilifeform oh, speaking of death by boredom,
00:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7KayJ/?raw=true
00:31 mircea_popescu asciilifeform heh
00:31 asciilifeform unfuckingbelievable.
00:33 BingoBoingo From the WhatTheFun mines: "I come from the Houston area and have been heartbroken about the damage and scenes from Harvey. I decided to donate $250 and asked my girlfriend if she would match it. She agreed, and then when I asked if she had given to the Red Cross or someone else, I learned that she donated to the Humane Society. I know she’s absolutely nuts about animals, especially our own dogs, but to give to animals when people are
00:33 BingoBoingo in trouble seems heartless to me. She’s much more politically active than I am, and I finally asked if she did that to avoid the possibility of giving money to someone who voted for Trump, and she admitted that was one of the reasons. I think that’s awful, and we’ve been fighting about it ever since. She thinks as a gay woman I should see her side, but I just can’t."
00:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wait till she learns how the street dogz of houston, voted.
00:33 mircea_popescu lmao
00:33 BingoBoingo Make Kibble Great Again!
00:33 mircea_popescu fun fact : dogs grab pussy all teh time ; would have all voted trump.
00:34 mircea_popescu nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do.
00:34 asciilifeform they'll root out the menstruators, also, as if pig -- truffle
00:36 mod6 aha
00:37 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. << lettuce not forget the Human Society's other priority, the cats! Cats who fleece old women society while snorting catnip and other drugs during pussy grabbing orgies.
00:44 BingoBoingo Companion animals are deeply alt-conservative.
00:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
00:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4380.0, vol: 6935.74503788 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4377.4, vol: 16393.35961664 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4390.0, vol: 3588.52097016 | Volume-weighted last average: 4379.74969838
00:56 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2017/bitcoin-faucet/ << Daniel P. Barron - Bitcoin Faucet
~ 24 minutes ~
01:21 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1541...2109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)
01:21 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)
~ 15 minutes ~
01:36 mircea_popescu danielpbarron "scandalous"
01:37 mircea_popescu and wd on the half dolla a day huh.
01:38 danielpbarron ty
01:38 mircea_popescu meanwhile in faux old country, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72c80abf2a2846b3bf55b9664b6dc899/tumblr_nw5mofCDbh1uxetfho1_1280.jpg
01:39 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1459...5807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
01:39 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...0683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
~ 30 minutes ~
02:10 ben_vulpes daily paranoid fantasies: https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-pot-monopoly-mystery
02:12 mircea_popescu heh. and doh.
~ 4 hours 1 minutes ~
06:14 spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks
06:14 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 20:03 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey )
06:18 spyked (text version: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ro4vU/?raw=true )
~ 33 minutes ~
06:52 kanzure mircea_popescu: http://gnusha.org/logs/?C=S;O=D
06:54 kanzure mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
~ 2 hours 3 minutes ~
08:57 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.
08:57 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 03:26 kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?
~ 26 minutes ~
09:23 phf there was a wiki in 2005 or so, called "mentat wiki". i think it was cool not so much for the content as the premise. it was supposed to be a collection of techniques for memory recall, arithmetic, problem solving, that sort of stuff.
09:24 phf but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"
09:25 phf but the name was obviously tongue in cheek
09:31 phf my impression is all that lesswrong, rationalwiki, yudkowsky, etc. is basically mentat wiki that took itself seriously.
~ 16 minutes ~
09:47 kanzure you're still lumping me in with the "rationalists"?
09:53 * shinohai catches up on megalog with coffee .... [~]D
09:58 phf well, that aside wasn't about you, but about yudkowsky.
09:59 kanzure alright
10:00 phf but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
10:07 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704628 <<< This dialogue between asciilifeform and kanzure boils down to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html imho
10:07 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
10:07 shinohai (Many thanks to mod6 for such eloquent words)
10:10 kanzure phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.
~ 15 minutes ~
10:25 * asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing
10:25 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
10:26 asciilifeform picture, these people :
10:26 asciilifeform 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
10:26 asciilifeform 19:41 <@fenn> but now that there's no patent, still no free bacteria
10:27 asciilifeform or...
10:27 asciilifeform 17:11 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you the 1%?
10:27 asciilifeform 17:12 < kanzure> why do you ask?
10:27 asciilifeform 17:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: because you buy stuff for a bunch of people on IRC in the name of science
10:27 asciilifeform 17:12 < justanotheruser> sounds like what a scientist would do if he became a 1%er
10:27 asciilifeform 17:12 < seba-> really
10:27 asciilifeform 17:13 < kanzure> i am probably 1%
10:27 asciilifeform 17:13 < seba-> kanzure buys stuff
10:27 asciilifeform 17:13 < seba-> so cool
10:27 asciilifeform 17:13 < seba-> what will you buy me
10:27 asciilifeform kanzure: you've been doing this since... '07? or when. what do you and the platoon of talkers have to show for it ? where is the desktop-biolab-on-a-chip ?
10:28 asciilifeform or how about this gem:
10:28 asciilifeform 15:06 < kanzure> uh, my complaint about lasers isn't about the laser itself, but rather the optics usually associated (or, in cases where i need to maintain a co2 tube, i also mean co2 tubes)
10:28 asciilifeform srsly, 'too hard to maintain co2 tube and exhaust' ? let's-go-shopping ?
10:28 asciilifeform even i have a working co2 setup. and i'm not even '1%'.
10:28 asciilifeform i dun even live in fucking califuckia
10:30 asciilifeform or... 15:26 <@fenn> now this may sound radically radical, but why not just use a metal tube << this and elsewhere, demonstrates that any and all of these people, are innocent of having ever worked with their hands, or studied so much as kindergarten experimental physics, chemistry, take yer pick
10:30 asciilifeform srsly, steel body for rf-excited laser tube ?!
10:31 asciilifeform i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.
10:31 phf asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704255
10:31 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs
10:31 asciilifeform evidently!
10:31 asciilifeform there's 50x moar gem material in that there linked log, but i will spare the reader.
~ 55 minutes ~
11:27 kanzure asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?
11:27 kanzure prefering solid state lasers to co2 tubes is not a crime. but you're welcome to chase ancient tech.
11:29 kanzure interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?)
11:30 trinque quote logs or gtfo, seriously.
11:30 trinque this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum.
11:30 kanzure yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)
11:31 kanzure like i said, this all seems like a bunch of noise. you're welcome to haphazardly flounce around but at least be honest with as much.
11:33 trinque !!rate kanzure -1 No one here need prove himself to you.
11:33 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MCR2U/?raw=true
11:33 trinque !!v B66761AE8F397CA668DD9E96E7E180BD55F68139DDA31A79C37BAA98C8D6087F
11:33 deedbot trinque rated kanzure -1 << No one here need prove himself to you.
11:34 kanzure such discipline
11:47 asciilifeform kanzure: largest ir laserdiode i was able to find on nongoldentoilet market, is 30w.
11:48 asciilifeform ( and it costs == to what my tube cost, and ~likewise~ needs water cooling. )
11:48 asciilifeform so not sure what is the improvement, other than a slightly less-breakable setup.
11:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704931 << i designed, make, and sell, a physical product, kanzure . what do you sell ?
11:49 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:30 kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)
11:49 asciilifeform other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin.
11:51 shinohai This is a single achievement btw .... asciilifeform is responsible for `V` which I also consider a product.
11:51 asciilifeform the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here
11:51 kanzure i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes
11:51 asciilifeform there are . they're five-figures.
11:51 asciilifeform my tube -- 300bux./
11:51 kanzure right.. so they exist.
11:52 asciilifeform of course they exist. but q was 'why the hell still using tubes'
11:52 asciilifeform because diode -- still golden toilet.
11:52 kanzure i think generally we should prefer less breakable things; i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive.
11:52 asciilifeform kanzure: if you're selling kilowatt 1000nm diode -- i'll buy !
11:52 asciilifeform six!
11:53 asciilifeform ... if costs less than tube.
11:53 kanzure this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm.
11:54 asciilifeform kanzure: there's ~infinite demand.
11:54 asciilifeform tubes suck.
11:54 asciilifeform but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude.
11:54 asciilifeform ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.
11:55 asciilifeform diode could take over in hobbyist niche, if 30W diode didn't cost same as 100W tube. ( 30w cutter is a toy, fit only for carving porn into wooden planks )
11:55 kanzure do you know why the laser diodes are expensive?
11:55 asciilifeform can't say that i do
11:55 asciilifeform will guess -- small runs.
11:56 kanzure ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.
11:57 asciilifeform how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc
11:57 asciilifeform pro tip : piss on american patents, 'regulations', decrees.
11:58 asciilifeform boosts not only your profit margin, but respectability, 100x.
11:58 asciilifeform if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?
11:58 asciilifeform get out, to the free world.
11:59 asciilifeform take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations.
12:00 asciilifeform visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc
12:00 asciilifeform ( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0
12:01 asciilifeform )
12:02 kanzure apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.")
12:02 asciilifeform project much ?
12:02 asciilifeform where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ?
12:02 kanzure it's literally the answer i was given
12:02 asciilifeform so far i see only the page where i can read his noise
12:02 kanzure do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why?
12:03 asciilifeform electroporator is trivial, i can get surplus one or make own for a hundy
12:03 asciilifeform how about cheap laser diode ?
12:03 asciilifeform or desktop ic fab
12:03 kanzure that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don't have one?
12:03 asciilifeform fine, desktop hplc ?
12:03 asciilifeform gcms?
12:03 asciilifeform iirc you were making one in '07
12:03 asciilifeform i'd buy
12:04 kanzure hplc in 2007 no that doesn't sound right. might have been someone else.
12:04 asciilifeform aite... what DO you have ? can haz catalogue ?
12:05 kanzure that's a reasonable request. i'll make catalog.
12:11 asciilifeform plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property''
12:11 asciilifeform i'd buy a desktop atomic force microscope, say.
12:12 asciilifeform or compact electron microscope.
12:12 kanzure i bought a FIB recently btw. have you played with one?
12:12 asciilifeform nope. but would buy !
12:12 kanzure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focused_ion_beam
12:12 asciilifeform supposing it were cheap, but, even more importantly, SMALL
12:12 kanzure yea had to get a forklift to move this thing
12:13 asciilifeform my microscopy plans are very modest : 1uM ic dies.
12:14 kanzure 1 micron feature size?
12:14 asciilifeform aha
12:14 asciilifeform early 1990s.
12:14 asciilifeform what do you image with your FIB, kanzure ?
12:15 kanzure yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days.
12:15 kanzure FIB was recently acquired, currently sitting in crate, needs to be uncrated at goon house
12:15 asciilifeform so... purchased 'just in case' ?
12:16 asciilifeform ( nuffin' wrong with that, i suppose, if you have infinite floor space )
12:16 kanzure just in case it works? haha
12:16 kanzure infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip
12:17 asciilifeform lol
12:17 asciilifeform ( i assumed 'goon house' means warehouse with 'infinite' floor or similar )
12:18 kanzure no it's literally someone's house.
12:18 asciilifeform aah
12:20 asciilifeform fib is interesting to be strictly from home-fab pov
12:20 asciilifeform *to me
12:20 asciilifeform but it scarcely qualifies, costwise, as 'home'
12:22 asciilifeform ( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. )
12:23 asciilifeform kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.
12:23 asciilifeform ( soft and iron both. )
12:23 asciilifeform one that :
12:23 asciilifeform #!s fits in head
12:24 asciilifeform grr
12:24 asciilifeform !#s fits in head
12:24 a111 121 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head
12:24 asciilifeform ( moar detail here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , if yer curious . )
12:24 trinque I still hold that wording it that way is ass-backwards.
12:24 asciilifeform trinque: say moar ?
12:25 shinohai #!/usr/bin/deedbot
12:25 asciilifeform lol
12:25 trinque lolwat
12:25 shinohai ^____________^
12:25 trinque asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh?
12:26 kanzure clarify "100% nato-free workers comp" ?
12:26 asciilifeform trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head.
12:26 asciilifeform kanzure: workstation
12:26 asciilifeform as in, the item on your desk
12:26 trinque "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes
12:26 asciilifeform as in, machine for cad, crypto, chitchat, breaking rsa, viewing pr0n, whichever it is that one does.
12:27 asciilifeform trinque: i don't disagree
12:28 asciilifeform kanzure: 'nato-free' means, approximately, 'no place for nsa to hide'.
12:28 kanzure yep understood.
12:29 kanzure why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff?
12:29 asciilifeform which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses.
12:29 asciilifeform kanzure: ask the folx who did the reversing, not me, why took so long.
12:30 asciilifeform presumably they had to pry apart the closed x86 floorplanner turds.
12:30 kanzure "oh no i'll have to figure out an acid bath" siliconpr0n.org guy seems to do it regularly
12:30 asciilifeform i don't recall him ever going from micrograph to fpga bitstream format
12:30 asciilifeform ( would be spiffy tho. )
12:31 kanzure uhh yes?
12:31 kanzure https://github.com/nitram2342/degate
12:31 asciilifeform kanzure: ever used ?
12:32 asciilifeform understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?
12:32 kanzure like errors when reading the nth dram cell matter
12:32 asciilifeform who promised that it will be 'nth dram cell' ?
12:32 asciilifeform and not somewhere else.
12:33 kanzure anyway what was the goal, i thought it was established that circuit was insufficient, given doping layer trojans (yes there was a follow-up article but it was dumb)
12:34 asciilifeform kanzure: i've always wanted to discuss, with clueful folx, what specifically one ought to put in 'doping trojan' to sabotage an fpga
12:34 asciilifeform where you (opponent) have no idea what will be loaded, and where.
12:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << pertinent thread
12:35 a111 Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
12:35 kanzure why do you have goals but mp not
12:35 asciilifeform because i am an engineer ( for bread -- reverse-engineer ) , not an emperor
12:36 kanzure are you about to start quoting galtse.cx to me
12:36 asciilifeform nfi what that is/was.
12:36 kanzure http://galtse.cx/ it's pretty bad
12:36 asciilifeform never seen.
12:37 trinque ah look he's on dick pulling again
12:38 asciilifeform trinque: humour the man. maybe he learns something. ( maybe even -- we learn something )
12:38 asciilifeform consider, kanzure , let's say you're fuhrer of ftmeade. which transistor in the 9572 will you diddle, to undetectably sabotage FUCKGOATS.
12:39 kanzure no i don't have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs
12:40 asciilifeform kanzure: it's an fpga .
12:41 kanzure i forget what the response was to the response though... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14848708327718832242&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en
12:41 asciilifeform takes 2 arbitrary waveforms, on the 2 input jacks, has nfi whether they come from the analogue boards that ship with the unit, or from audit machine.
12:41 asciilifeform ( which expects, e.g., a TB output, known only to the auditor )
12:42 asciilifeform kanzure: believe or not, i keep up with the literature. tell me how to boobytrap fpga.
12:42 asciilifeform so that instead of the specified circuit, it instead does something different. and such that i and the buyers, do not immediately find out .
12:42 kanzure are you willing to accept sufficiently shit fpgas? you can do something like massive buffering of the bitstream and then do analysis to check for known circuits in a lookup table :\.
12:43 asciilifeform kanzure: what means 'shit fpga' ?
12:43 kanzure low performance
12:43 kanzure notably annoying when setting the bitstream up
12:43 asciilifeform there aren't many smaller fpga sold than the 9572.
12:43 asciilifeform 72 macrocells.
12:43 asciilifeform ( it's a cpld, to be pedantic. )
12:44 asciilifeform picture you as the enemy. you control the fab. what is your next move ?
12:45 asciilifeform if you substitute a chip that shits out prng stream, in place of the transform specified in http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg-genesis.vpatch -- it will be immediately obvious to anyone who follows my audit recipe.
12:45 asciilifeform ( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands )
12:56 asciilifeform lol that link seems to consist entirely of... monologues from atlasfucked
12:57 asciilifeform ( should've guessed, 'galtse', lol )
12:59 asciilifeform out of curiousity, kanzure , in what do you read, other than english ?
13:03 kanzure illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here
13:04 kanzure i pretend to read all kinds of languages, but mostly english
13:04 asciilifeform pretty serious concern
13:04 asciilifeform !#s esl
13:04 a111 79 results for "esl", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esl
13:05 shinohai yup ESLtard
~ 15 minutes ~
13:20 shinohai "I put all my mETH on a rooted Google pocket surveillance device, how could it possibly all be gone?" http://archive.is/sL9Rj
~ 18 minutes ~
13:39 asciilifeform lol, and witness the 'montrezors' in linked thread
~ 15 minutes ~
13:54 BingoBoingo <kanzure> it's literally the answer i was given << I can't find this re-reading log at all
13:55 BingoBoingo <kanzure> yea had to get a forklift to move this thing << Do you still have forklift? What kind, is it for sale?
13:58 BingoBoingo trinque: How is the ongoing weather? Perhaps submit a piece on that if reallity differs from what is on tv?
14:11 kanzure forklift was temp rented
14:12 kanzure BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384
14:12 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 23:39 kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that
14:19 BingoBoingo kanzure: Ah, was hoping maybe you had something cool you were looking to unload.
14:21 mircea_popescu kanzure is this a girl one of yours ?
14:21 kanzure confusion
14:21 kanzure what?
14:21 kanzure BingoBoingo: i unloaded the FIB from a trailer, if that's what you mean.
14:22 kanzure (i didn't. it was someone else. but you get it.)
14:22 mircea_popescu kanzure http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811
14:22 kanzure not one of mine
14:22 BingoBoingo kanzure: Well, cheap used forklifts are like anything else. There's collector's markets, enthusiast clubs, and modding hobbyists. Though mebbe you'd picked up a cheap one.
14:23 kanzure i see
14:23 kanzure do people put flame stickers on forklifts and sell higher?
14:23 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in which vein : coupla weeks ago saw angry forklift beeping while driving down this hill road (like 15% incline, crazy serpentines etc)
14:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...6157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TR)
14:23 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1797...1043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TR)
14:24 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sweet, was it one of those little toyota LPG trucks?
14:24 mircea_popescu had to have the lift raised or else would have suspended itself
14:24 BingoBoingo lol
14:24 mircea_popescu no, it was very much a supermarket forklift, plain and simple
14:24 mircea_popescu tiny wheels no air etc.
14:24 BingoBoingo Yeah, toyota makes those
14:24 mircea_popescu ah k
14:25 BingoBoingo orange and off-navy blue paint
14:25 mircea_popescu pretty sure it was electric
14:25 mircea_popescu yeah
14:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704878 << seems likely actually.
14:26 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 10:14 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks
14:26 BingoBoingo The electrics tend to not be roadable at all. 4 points base instead of 3, etc
14:26 mircea_popescu quite.
14:26 BingoBoingo kanzure: Well, sometimes a big oem doesn't make a truck that quite exactly fits your job or your site
14:26 mircea_popescu it bumped lots lol.
14:27 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Those things are fun. Like a morbidly obese golf cart.
14:28 mircea_popescu apt
14:28 BingoBoingo Even then, negative turning radius
14:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704883 << i had nfi the *humanist crowd was large enough to have factions.
14:28 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 12:57 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.
14:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704886 << my understanding of " a mentat from dune" was "a guy who takes a lot of showers", rather than what i discovered later was the general us view on the matter, "guy who does lots of xword puzzles". i have nfi where that typically 80s idea "xword puzzles make you smart" came from.
14:30 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 13:24 phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"
14:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja ever read 'dune' ?
14:30 mircea_popescu yes, i did read the original coupla books, as a 15yo boy.
14:30 mircea_popescu i did not read the sequels.
14:30 asciilifeform they were rubbish
14:31 mircea_popescu i was busy with girls by then.
14:31 asciilifeform original was entertaining. mentat was a sort of artisan, humancalculator-rationator.
14:31 mircea_popescu yes, but in a mystical rather than artisanal sense
14:31 asciilifeform ( a more refined variant of the real-life 19th c profession of 'calculator' )
14:32 mircea_popescu ie, like a very beautiful girl ; not like a very well trained $sport boy.
14:32 asciilifeform in the b00k, it was described that they were selected & trained, and somewhat rare ( i.e. if yours got killed, it was an expensive problem , to replace )
14:33 mircea_popescu right. which is why in my mind it's represented as a sort of you know, moon. "you can't reboot the machine without knowing what it's doing"
14:33 mircea_popescu you can't train into being moon ; and if you are moon you can train while playing civ or golden axe. i know i did.
14:34 asciilifeform herbert does not say ~how~ they got trained.
14:34 asciilifeform much of the appeal of the b00k, imho, was that it left such detail to imagination.
14:35 asciilifeform as soon as he started shitting out sequels where the details filled in -- permanent ruin.
14:35 mircea_popescu indeed. and much of the result is that it creates different notions in different people.
14:35 asciilifeform aha.
14:35 mircea_popescu but you're very much correct, and yes, the #1 skill of mp-writer is exactly "do not specify".
14:36 mircea_popescu it's plain to notice, too, all the fanfic porn on literotica or whatever always has these stat cards, "she was so and so and tits like that and the other".
14:36 mircea_popescu that ain't literature anymore than memory-trained monkey is thinker.
14:38 mircea_popescu i think the later author (iirc the sequels weren't written by the original, but some son or inheritor at any rate) suffered very much from the equalizing stupidity (ie, unaware of differences, thinking self equivalent to anyone) who then imagined "what people want" is "to have blanks filled in" and produced very much http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#selection-67.187-67.188
14:39 asciilifeform a few of them were , sadly, by herbert
14:39 asciilifeform rest -- iirc by son
14:39 mircea_popescu ah ok
14:39 asciilifeform but the observation stands.
14:39 asciilifeform orig b00k rocked because left much to imagination.
14:40 asciilifeform this is an extremely common thing.
14:40 mircea_popescu goes right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704371 ; it's very easy as an author to write great books -- write books that only appeal to the intelligent and get a free ride on your reader's backs.
14:40 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 23:35 mircea_popescu: because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people.
14:41 asciilifeform how all - afaik - good sf -- worked. ( notice, past tense.. )
14:41 mircea_popescu kinda why literature was a thing in 1700 france ; was not a thing in 1900s us.
14:43 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
14:43 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4576.83, vol: 11618.48623201 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4582.1, vol: 30841.70199112 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4583.0, vol: 5106.36394352 | Volume-weighted last average: 4580.90937986
14:43 asciilifeform http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-29.log << lulzy, i had nfi adlai wanted to work pr for us!111
14:43 mircea_popescu eh.
14:44 asciilifeform lol, 01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together
14:44 asciilifeform this is what, the 5th d00d.
14:44 mircea_popescu hurr. SUPERFICIALITY.
14:45 mircea_popescu they get trained by tv and candy crush to be as superficial as possible because it reduces production costs significantly.
14:45 asciilifeform trained?
14:45 asciilifeform wolf in the forest, also trained?
14:45 mircea_popescu THEN they keep biting the steel girder in any real interaction, because guess what, if you're not watching tv the conventions of tv world aren't enforceable.
14:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform to a large degree yes.
14:45 mircea_popescu you know you can have wolf pups that don'\t attack the farm animals ?
14:46 asciilifeform you can have tiger that also dun attack. so long as he's fed. and in good mood. neh?
14:46 mircea_popescu quite.
14:46 mircea_popescu a recall the gazelle and cheetahs scenes ?
14:46 asciilifeform aha
14:46 mircea_popescu such adorbs.
14:47 asciilifeform 01:26 < adlai> hint: try finding the 2nd factor
14:47 asciilifeform 01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now
14:47 asciilifeform ^ summarizes.
14:47 mircea_popescu o.O
14:47 mircea_popescu dude this possibly takes the cake. i mean the previous contender was what, something in basic physics. but this is...
14:48 mircea_popescu wtf transfuckinghumanism! there's all this basic humanism stuff to be still mastered!
14:48 asciilifeform very easy to kneel to the majesty of nsa, when you skipped kindergarten and have nfi how to find q given a p...
14:49 BingoBoingo lol
14:49 asciilifeform hey, recall, g_l's 'fuck off with your old stolid newton, i will make UNIFIED THEORY!'
14:49 mircea_popescu a speaking of which asciilifeform i was meaning to ask, seeing how they keep popping in pairs : how many times as a % of cases is that when we pop a modulus we pop it for BOTH p and q ?
14:50 mircea_popescu and further, how many are the same factors ? because it's starting to occur to me we might be able to find an openssh bug through birthdaying the factors it keeps popping up.
14:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mechanism is, if isprime(N / q), then p = N/q , announce(p).
14:50 mircea_popescu and often it announces a p and a p'!
14:50 asciilifeform that's when isprime(N/q)
14:50 mircea_popescu if it's the case that "here's this list of 200 primes which popped 2000 moduli", then we should make a histogram of moduli per prime.
14:51 asciilifeform this case is known as 'properly phucked'
14:51 mircea_popescu yes, and how common is it ?
14:51 asciilifeform about 98%
14:51 mircea_popescu dude.\
14:51 mircea_popescu print teh lists.
14:51 mircea_popescu clearly openssh is broken in primegeneration.
14:51 asciilifeform i've been saving it for end of Framedragger parcel of '16
14:52 asciilifeform but will publish table, along with what else is known re each ( e.g. is debian prime ? etc )
14:52 mircea_popescu ah not yet done. aite, up to you.
14:52 asciilifeform personally i'm interested in the nondebian ones
14:52 asciilifeform ( the debian primes are well-known )
14:52 asciilifeform or rather, how they cameabout
14:52 mircea_popescu anyway, surgeon general's warning : openssh is at this point known by the republic to be cryptographically weak.
14:53 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
14:53 mircea_popescu hey. gotta say.
14:53 asciilifeform plenty of green field left also. e.g. the freebsd-had-no-rng-for-two-years thing
14:54 mircea_popescu myeah. good thing people are busy "thinking" about things they don't understand instead.
14:55 asciilifeform i can grasp the psychology ( psychiatry..? ) of the california folx. yes, imaginary star drive or immortality nanobot pill is 'moar exciting' than real-life little board with fpga...
14:55 asciilifeform to the fella for whom even his plasma tv is magical artifact
14:56 asciilifeform so he answers 'show me FUN!! things, your work is a snore, nobody's flying to alpha centauri on it'
14:56 mircea_popescu i can't. it's as incomprehensible to me as the girls. a boy that dun wanna fight, really ? exactly like a girl that dun wanna fuck, i look at these like a dog looks at a painted bone. "nice work i guess lol. but..."
14:56 asciilifeform because in his mind he flies to alpha centauri 'just next month'
14:56 mircea_popescu "who squeezed all the life outta ya anyways"
14:57 asciilifeform witness the response, also typical, 'oh hey , you don't fellate lincoln? you must LUVV AYNRAND then'
14:57 asciilifeform the not-left-AND-not-right-can-of-pepsi is not conceptualizable, apparently
14:57 mircea_popescu apparently.
14:58 asciilifeform and the inevitably comorbid 'i know enlish, i Can And Have Read Everything There Was Worth The Reading'
14:58 asciilifeform *engl
14:59 mircea_popescu but in any case, ANOTHER aspect of discipline reveals itself. "work on what mp tells you to work on, not on what you think is fun to work on".
14:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not even false, i dunno there's much worth reading in english. i mean one can be done with twain and shakespeare in a summer.
15:00 asciilifeform but find a californirast who does not believe himself master of all culture
15:00 mircea_popescu discoursively or subjectively you mean ?
15:00 asciilifeform either
15:01 mircea_popescu from experience they subjectively think they're "doing pretty good" ; in any case "better than those other deplorables". whereas discoursively he could in principle say anything, chiefly because is not convinced words carry any meaning. as long as he's not saying something verboten like "africans have no culture", it's all up for grabs. "for controversy" which is somehow related to "funding".
15:03 asciilifeform i'm beginning to wrap head around http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699945 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699946
15:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance.
15:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else.
15:03 asciilifeform that these people are sitting on coin, is an atrocity, and the sooner corrected -- the better
15:04 mircea_popescu back in 2014 the idea was that they are (and in fact they were, mostly by accident). it's been generally washed out of them by now.
15:04 asciilifeform i can't comment, having not even a faint clue
15:04 mircea_popescu anyway. it is a plain example of "bitcoin corrupts" at work.
15:05 mircea_popescu very much a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687603
15:05 a111 Logged on 2017-07-20 19:44 mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will.
15:05 mircea_popescu "but mp, i'm against violence" "you'll get discounted out of existence in the marketplace" "uhhhh!"
15:06 asciilifeform witness these poor heathens' view of patents, tho
15:06 mircea_popescu which ?
15:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 and elsewhere
15:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
15:06 mircea_popescu i expect this is factual.
15:06 asciilifeform they see usg as part of fabric of the universe
15:07 asciilifeform and its removal , no more conceivable than removal of newton's 3rd law
15:07 mircea_popescu consider http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/#selection-181.0-185.907
15:07 mircea_popescu actually, let's put this in the log.
15:07 asciilifeform somehow can sit and smoke pot, which is punishable by 20 to life in all 50 states ( per usg paper, at least ) but not break patent, oh never!11
15:08 mircea_popescu "Every male you ever run into will be looking for an excuse, to explain to himself, and to "everyone else" as he represents that in his head, why he isn't doing, more, better, etcetera. You happen to have an exceptional answer, and one that he is extremely eager to receive from you. For this reason you are to expect no fundamental problems, it's not like you might run into a male that doesn't want to find himself in the safe,
15:08 mircea_popescu protective confines of your steel gift. They do want to, all of them do. Impediments, such as exist, all come from circumstantial happenstance, you have to be careful not to pinch their delicate skins putting it on -- and mind that for every inch of physical skin males have miles upon miles of mind-skins enveloping them like a far-reaching cocoon. Once on, you'll have to make sure it doesn't rub wrongly, and especially teach
15:08 mircea_popescu the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu
15:08 mircea_popescu tered than on his own."
15:09 asciilifeform i suspect that most of the 'golden cage' behaviour is unexamined
15:09 asciilifeform and unconscious
15:09 mircea_popescu by the oject ? but ofcouars.
15:09 mircea_popescu object*
15:09 asciilifeform which is why you end up observing what the 'pill' folx called 'hamstering', when confronting them , rubbing nose in it
15:10 mircea_popescu whassat ?
15:10 asciilifeform !#s rationalization hamster
15:10 a111 2 results for "rationalization hamster", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rationalization%20hamster
15:10 mircea_popescu oh oh.
15:10 asciilifeform or what was it called
15:10 asciilifeform term from heathen world
15:10 mircea_popescu well yes, what's one to do.\
15:10 asciilifeform for psychopathological 'immune reaction' to dissonance
15:11 asciilifeform e.g. 'mp is powerless, SEC left him alone for its own reasons' etc
15:11 mircea_popescu i don't think that really even happened. i mean... WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE
15:11 asciilifeform or kako's 'shitcoin forks went away on their own, they just didn't feel like winning'
15:11 mircea_popescu lol right.
15:11 asciilifeform 'ethertardium dao evaporated on its own'
15:12 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?
15:12 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:00 phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
15:12 asciilifeform is a man whose sphincter still works, and who does not shit in pants, a 'sphincterist' ?
15:12 asciilifeform does it make sense to proclaim it a 'way of life' ?
15:12 asciilifeform can haz sphincterist komyoonity?
15:12 asciilifeform meetups?
15:13 mircea_popescu ("artist" = choiceless art producer, say like durer. or i suppose originally, zeus, "gotta get this bitch out of my fucking skull")
15:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea, examining his.
15:13 asciilifeform aite
15:13 mircea_popescu i take it we're all aware how athens (ie, wisdom) was born according to the greeks, yes ?
15:15 mircea_popescu in particular phf what'd be the name for "opinions and actions based on "i don't see anything wroing with it"" ? still rationalist ?
15:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704897 << see, the problem is not THAT it's ponyfic ; but that it's bad. there's plenty of demand for good fearmongering (don't stick your tongue in wall socket, son!), the problem is there's no demand for bad fearmongering. it's the quality, not the kind of item, that's the problem.
15:17 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:10 kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.
15:18 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704898 << well i was going to read that after the log, but since you put spoilers in there ima go read it first and continue later.
15:18 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:25 asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing
15:22 mircea_popescu wait, someone bought micrometer wavelength light made ?
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform 12:22 <@fenn> how many lines of code is OCC? <<< see, he is asking the right question. i knew my patience will be dug back out from the hole by the unfolding of events!
15:28 mircea_popescu 12:23 < kanzure> there is a certain argument about not always throwing away legacy code, but i currently forget the exact argument << it was joel writing up netscape implosion.
15:28 mircea_popescu https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/
15:33 mircea_popescu ahahaha Leibniz patents o lordy.
15:35 mircea_popescu kanzure you are experiencing the following problem : you do ocr on old text, which produces ambiguities that bite you in the ass. yes the string "patent" can be found in medieval and early modern period documents. the item thereby denoted however is not a patent.
15:35 kanzure opencascade notes http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade/
15:35 kanzure ETF progress https://www.bna.com/sec-waits-sidelines-n73014463791/
15:36 mircea_popescu this is one of the main ways in which wiki "education" fails. to understand things you must follow their pedigree not merely attempt to recognize instantaneous shape.
15:37 mircea_popescu the original privateers were created through letters patent ; the meaning of the word there is very much in the vein of monarchical absolutism. it was later co-opted when industrial revolution folk wanted a way to claim transcendence for acts of commerce.
15:39 mircea_popescu kanzure> i wonder if people just signed their work with leibniz's name as a way to get it preserved << your reference points are pythagoras and perhaps
15:39 mircea_popescu !#s bourbaki
15:39 a111 19 results for "bourbaki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bourbaki
15:43 mircea_popescu 14:43 < kanzure> i was just going through "the list" in my head (i don't really have a list, i'm just making things up that sound important) << ehehehe. this is becoming very alike that seinfeld episode where they had an opposite world and there was an opposte alf named fenn and so on. THE RSMT!!!
15:43 asciilifeform i thought that was catv
15:44 phf nah, catv was dead. this thing is alive
15:45 mircea_popescu well, maybe it should be worrisome the best times were in 2014, but yes, seems alive enough.
15:45 mircea_popescu phf so who is fenn fellow anyway ?
15:45 kanzure http://fennetic.net/
15:46 mircea_popescu kanzure a ty. the reason i ask him is that i know him, you see. like in http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
15:46 mircea_popescu on the basis of his authority (as i understand it) i can decode meaning out of words.
15:47 deedbot http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/ << Daniel P. Barron - Shitgnomes
15:47 asciilifeform http://fennetic.net/bfi/bfi-draft.txt << oh hah, hexapodist.
15:47 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705282 << i think empiricist, but also perhaps a mystic would be another alternative, i.e. knowledge through divine revelation. i think perhaps also traditionalist, i.e. inherent knowledge
15:47 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?
15:47 * asciilifeform once enthusiast, long ago
15:47 mircea_popescu ehehehe! " how to make an inexpensive portable CNC milling machine - my Buckminster Fuller Institute contest "hexapod" entry"
15:47 mircea_popescu what nao alfie!
15:48 danielpbarron !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/4.1.35.asc
15:49 asciilifeform hey, i was cured. ( 'inexpensive' and 'portable' does not go with the mass you need for useful accuracy cutting even aluminum )
15:49 shinohai danielpbarron: it appears this cuntoo mirroe that mod6 spoke of is becoming more and more important.
15:49 shinohai *mirror
15:49 mircea_popescu so basically, either a slut (cock comes through the glory hole, i suck it, what do you want from me) or else a fanatic (allah told me!). otherwise, thinking man has no alternative but to be rationalist ?
15:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so you were cured. but he's, again, asking the right question.
15:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have 0 monopoly on asking questions.
15:50 asciilifeform incl. right-questions.
15:50 mircea_popescu the ~right~ quesrtions.
15:50 * mircea_popescu knows of no other qualification for the unknown besides asking the right questions.
15:50 kanzure asciilifeform: you don't need mass
15:50 kanzure asciilifeform: ask fenn
15:50 danielpbarron shinohai, thanks to this latest annoyance i'm a little closer to understanding how such a mirror might work
15:51 mircea_popescu kanzure mind asking him to come over ? i'll rate him anyway on teh basis of what i've seen
15:51 asciilifeform kanzure: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd
15:51 asciilifeform you need mass.
15:51 kanzure he has been summoned
15:51 * mircea_popescu would like to hear what the man says.
15:51 kanzure tension yadda yadda
15:52 kanzure stewart platforms hexpods etc
15:52 kanzure hexapods, rather.
15:52 mircea_popescu eh, dun ruin his thunder.
15:52 kanzure so touchy in here
15:52 asciilifeform !#s hexapod
15:52 a111 3 results for "hexapod", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hexapod
15:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mommentum-inertial could work as substitute for mass-inertial as a ready notion. who knows what other cleverness lies silent.
15:53 asciilifeform kanzure: now, here's 1 cnc tool for which you ~don't~ need rigidity -- electrolytic cutting head. was tried in su, and still (!) in production today, but 'industrial' scale. would be interesting to see compact version thereof. ( see old log )
15:53 mircea_popescu he got an electroporing thing, in this vein.
15:54 mircea_popescu acvtual published schematics and errythang.
15:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'electroporation' is unrelated item -- weaken cell membranes with discharge, for plasmid etc work
15:54 mircea_popescu give it more power, it'll cut through other things! :D
15:54 asciilifeform item with (small) cap, controlled 'total coloumb' etc
15:54 asciilifeform standard bio instrument, since 1940s.
15:54 mircea_popescu aha.
15:55 asciilifeform the 2 are as related as cock is to pencil.
15:55 mircea_popescu these are related.
15:55 mircea_popescu !~google pencil dick
15:55 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: pencil dick: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dpencil%2520dick>; What do people consider to be a pencil dick ? : bigdickproblems: <https://www.reddit.com/r/bigdickproblems/comments/32edi6/what_do_people_consider_to_be_a_pencil_dick/>; pencil dick - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pencil_dick>
15:55 phf mircea_popescu: i don't think a thinking man is any kind of ist. i think it's an affect, one could be a rationalist and then he's going to talk about occam and denounce causes, or one can be some kind of mystic, and then he's going to have a particular stance also. i don't think any of this has to do with with any sort of understanding.
15:56 mircea_popescu hm.
15:56 mircea_popescu so the -ists as basically, the filename, whereas the file contents is a pile of heuristics/hacks, work as well as you might expect ?
15:56 mircea_popescu rational.ist ; empir.ist and so on
15:57 mircea_popescu "can't emerge world" "tried ./rational.ist on it ?"
15:57 kanzure lice.btc.calendar.opentimestamps.org
15:57 kanzure ah hell
15:57 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/
15:57 mircea_popescu kanzure do you actually have any bitcoin ?
15:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems like i've read the d00d before, long ago. but can't remember when, and where..
15:57 asciilifeform ( fennetic )
15:57 kanzure bitwhat?
15:58 mircea_popescu bitcoin.
15:58 asciilifeform lol
15:58 kanzure never heard of it http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-01-10.log
15:58 mircea_popescu wouldja mind answering candidly!
15:58 kanzure yes
15:59 mircea_popescu yes but, more than one or 0.dust ?
15:59 kanzure not dust
15:59 mircea_popescu a good for you!
15:59 kanzure january 2009 not early enough for you huh?
15:59 mircea_popescu plenty early. no, my expectations was you're stuck with dust, and i was going to offer you one so you have one.
16:00 mircea_popescu want it anyway ?
16:01 kanzure sure why not
16:01 mircea_popescu nice work danielpbarron ; shows the value of keeping proper tapes huh.
16:01 mircea_popescu kanzure post an addy.
16:02 asciilifeform danielpbarron: they'll keep breaking it for so long as physically possible.
16:02 mircea_popescu well, he made it less possible.
16:02 asciilifeform aha
16:02 shinohai !~later tell mats http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zZ9Ny/?raw=true
16:02 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
16:02 danielpbarron yeah if they break something else i'll just dig it out of one of my working machines and apply the same treatment
16:02 kanzure pm'd an address
16:03 mircea_popescu uh i dun get pms. post it, what, it's secret ?
16:03 shinohai Maybe he is trying to avoid Barry Shillbert's secret Bitcoin police
16:03 kanzure you don't get pm's?
16:03 mircea_popescu so use a shillbert webwallet as a proxy
16:03 mircea_popescu kanzure nope.
16:04 kanzure 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh
16:04 mircea_popescu i just get a "x might want to be upped" notification, that's it.
16:04 mircea_popescu !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
16:04 mircea_popescu O WAIT! THAT"S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET!
16:04 mircea_popescu kanzure you'll have it in a few hours.
16:05 kanzure sure is a strange way to do coinjoin
16:05 mircea_popescu whassat ?
16:05 kanzure https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321228.0
16:05 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/
16:05 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/
16:06 kanzure https://github.com/chris-belcher/joinmarket
16:06 kanzure https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/state_of_coinjoin
16:06 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Join%20me%20on%20a%20market%20for%20anonymity%20-%20joinmarket%20-%202016.pdf
16:06 mircea_popescu um. i feel liek teh bourgeois gentleman over here.
16:06 mircea_popescu had no idea i was doing any of that.
16:06 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/joinmarket/
16:06 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/tumblebit/
16:06 kanzure https://medium.com/@nopara73/tumblebit-vs-coinjoin-15e5a7d58e3
16:06 asciilifeform ahahahahahaha
16:06 kanzure i am bookmarks and so can you
16:07 mircea_popescu lol. one should really be enough.
16:07 mircea_popescu !!gettrust gmaxwell
16:07 deedbot L1: -10, L2: 8 by 16 connections.
16:07 shinohai kek
16:07 kanzure how then would i maintain my reputation of overkill otherwise?
16:07 mircea_popescu i wasn't aware you had a such.
16:07 kanzure "let's read all of wikipedia"
16:07 mircea_popescu wikipedia is for tards. you know this do you ?
16:08 kanzure ohh now you tell me
16:08 asciilifeform as is 'tumblers', mimble-anythings, etc
16:08 kanzure mumble whats?
16:08 mircea_popescu as i told the girl saturday, "i'll tell you when you ask!"
16:08 asciilifeform kanzure: i read the 'wizards' heathen logz, every few month, and know what it is that seems to occupy you lot
16:09 mircea_popescu in other lulz, is thwe current trilema header my dorkiest pic ever or what.
16:09 shinohai mircea_popescu looks like he would operate BTC speakeasy in that pic
16:10 mircea_popescu it's actually my old place in costa rica, 15 years ago or so.
16:10 mircea_popescu looked better inside.
16:10 mircea_popescu (apartments, one above, one below. the one below had an electrically leaky stove, so i bought metalware and punished girlies had to make coffee on it. ZAP ZAP ZAP.)
16:11 shinohai lolz
16:11 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 << I didn't expect it to be used direct to address anyway, but rather to just change hands, then the other guy has to ask for a withdrawal
16:11 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
16:11 mircea_popescu "please, may i wear high heels ???"
16:12 mircea_popescu trinque ah, good i said something then. any strong reason for this ?
16:12 trinque not automating transactions going out.
16:12 mircea_popescu dun has to be automated.
16:12 mircea_popescu (honestly i'd prefer it if it weren't)
16:12 trinque it 100% wont be.
16:12 mircea_popescu cool.
16:13 mircea_popescu but, whether it got put there by address owner or not, still same queue same process, so whatdiff does it make.
16:13 trinque nah, same page now.
16:13 trinque that works.
16:13 mircea_popescu cool.
16:15 shinohai !!rob 1`000
16:15 shinohai :D
16:16 mircea_popescu <@fenn> you could have a dialysis membrane in a microfluidic chip i guess << speaking of vaguely this : the great success of the new microflora research chips was so great it even made it to qntra! seems an eminently crowd-source-able item, in a useful way at that.
16:16 mircea_popescu wtf is your excuse not running around planting chips in your back yards to find the next teixobactin ?
16:17 mircea_popescu anyone with a diy interest in microbiology should be doing precisely that at least fucking once, these days.
16:18 mircea_popescu shinohai teh silbert police is on to you nao.
16:18 shinohai Rats
16:19 shinohai I hear they lock you in a room and force you to read coindesk articles all day.
16:19 asciilifeform teixobactin << lulzy episode : 100% taxpayer-funded, yet 100% patented and monopolized by $shitcorp
16:19 asciilifeform as is typical in usglandia
16:19 mircea_popescu yawell. usia. recall that article aboput how nobody can keep up with the printing to satisfy the wowow fantasy ?
16:20 asciilifeform patent WO2014089053 .
16:20 mircea_popescu im sure if you pin down anyone enough to ask it's you know "a protective patent" to "protect it" from "the bad guys"
16:20 mircea_popescu like bitcoin.com registration, if anyone recalls those lulz.
16:21 mircea_popescu "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"
16:21 asciilifeform gotta love these folx, 'patent' on item that lived in soil for $fuckknows million year
16:21 * phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..
16:22 mircea_popescu phf 1mn lines. i am currently trying to discern if i will. i have tools to help me in any case, some of which wetware ( eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 ) some of which not.
16:22 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
16:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705467 << recall the 'linux foundation' ?
16:22 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 mircea_popescu: "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"
16:22 asciilifeform same thing
16:22 mircea_popescu aha.
16:22 asciilifeform 'we have to destroy the village, in order to save it'
16:23 mircea_popescu phf but in any case, i ~can~ read a million lines. take me a season, but then again what are seasons for,.
16:23 mircea_popescu past season, i also read a million lines. the machine is going, what you feed it is its problem, but it will be going nevertheless.
16:24 kanzure i was going to pay someone to read logs and write summaries but they chickened out
16:24 kanzure (why is everyone so lazy)
16:26 mircea_popescu same thing here.
16:27 mircea_popescu 1704882 << line count, conveniently provided by phf. closing in on 2 mn.
16:27 shinohai I tried the whole "find x in teh logz" thing for someone once, though it was not a matter of being lazy, it was more of my time is worth more than pennies to do so.
16:27 mircea_popescu shinohai only way to run this is as a training exercise, really.
16:27 mircea_popescu shakespeare is similarily not paying the folk writing shakespeare write-ups. they do it to learn.
16:28 kanzure alright well why was someone paying you pennies? do you suck at negotiation or something?
16:28 shinohai Why, when 100 monkeys on typewriters can do same.
16:28 mircea_popescu !~calc 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838
16:28 shinohai Look out mp >>> https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/900459256784334851
16:28 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838 = 3.8926471086478043
16:29 phf since we added ancient logs into the negative numbers, the actual count is not represented by current max id
16:29 mircea_popescu ONE penny comes to almost 4btc over the logs.
16:29 phf ls
16:29 mircea_popescu phf what's max - ?
16:29 phf err
16:29 shinohai Your math is better lel
16:29 phf 2031466
16:30 mircea_popescu wowza.
16:30 mircea_popescu !~calc 2031466 + 1704882
16:30 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 2031466 + 1704882 = 3736348
16:30 mircea_popescu holy shit, 0 ad is already midway into the past ? seems like only yesterday...
16:30 phf err, i misread, that was the total number
16:30 mircea_popescu ah ah ok, makes more sense.
16:31 mircea_popescu shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz.
16:31 shinohai Must be the new generation of pantsuit! >.>
16:32 mircea_popescu why would an athlete try to wear skinny suits anyways. not for them.
16:32 mircea_popescu looks like the dressed cat in that tom and jerry cartoon.
16:33 shinohai I think the pattern looks like the chalk lines on the cloth when you go to get *fitted* for a suit
16:33 mircea_popescu 14:55 < kanzure_> http://bitcoin.org/ yet another p2p currency piece of crap (jan 1 2009).
16:35 kanzure keep reading. same day i wrote my dad's eulogy.
16:35 mircea_popescu oh /
16:36 kanzure (jan 10 2009 btw)
16:36 mircea_popescu a right.
16:41 mircea_popescu kanzure this jan 2009 log is entertaining. i take it the ongoing decade has not resulted in any "some random company needs us to design them some manufacturing assembly equipment. We say we'll do it cheaper (or whatever), we license it all open source and so on, make our money from it, and apply it to what we need to get done in our tech-base of free stuff anyway."
16:41 mircea_popescu not that the stateemnt diverges from common wisdom at the time.
16:42 kanzure "common wisdom"
16:42 mircea_popescu right.
16:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz. << It's a black thing
16:44 mircea_popescu i dunno, the irish guy looked just as ridoinculous.
16:45 BingoBoingo Well, the irish are blacker still
16:45 mircea_popescu this, shockingly, is actually a point.
16:46 BingoBoingo Anyways, Mayweather's communion with civilization proceeds exactly to the bounds of mastering his vocation and nearly half an inch further.
16:46 mircea_popescu seems respectable to me.
16:46 BingoBoingo Well, a half inch is an eternity
16:47 * asciilifeform tried to read link, returned with mental eggog
16:47 mircea_popescu which of the numerous links we've been blessed with was this ?
16:47 asciilifeform mayweather
16:47 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the world works.
16:47 asciilifeform clearly
16:48 mircea_popescu but let me illustrate : have you noticed how when under space pressure and trying to introduce a tech item, whatever it may be, the ONE BIT that's ABSOLUTELY NEVER omitted is the name ?
16:48 mircea_popescu screenwriter for one of the hbo shows may have all of 11 syllables to explain whatever-it-is, and by god five or six will go to "REALITYWINNER" equivalent.
16:49 mircea_popescu living in "a brand-driven society" means something. this is what it means.
16:49 asciilifeform well yes, just like the hilt is never omitted on knife
16:49 mircea_popescu not so. just like "and she is pretty and smart" is never omitterd in mary-sue fiction.
16:49 asciilifeform how are the chumps to find your identical-to-1,001-other-turds, without remembering $magicword.
16:49 mircea_popescu a NAME is not required for reference.
16:50 mircea_popescu i can speak of Whatshername Horseface all the time. people know who i mean.
16:50 mircea_popescu well, my girls do, at any rate.
16:50 asciilifeform it is if that's all you got.
16:50 mircea_popescu exactly.
16:50 mircea_popescu so then : rufus cryptoweather or whatever his name was.
16:51 mircea_popescu any questions ?
16:51 asciilifeform nope
16:51 mircea_popescu my work here is done. back to otherlogs then!
16:57 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
16:57 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11922.02855846 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4597.0, vol: 32265.50350515 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4581.201, vol: 5312.13684147 | Volume-weighted last average: 4593.61855011
16:57 BingoBoingo OMG CRASHING!!!
16:57 asciilifeform do we have a shitcoin ticker yet ?
16:58 trinque bleh which one would it be, even?
16:58 mircea_popescu no and we don't want one.
16:58 asciilifeform !~forkolade
16:58 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Error: "forkolade" is not a valid command.
16:58 asciilifeform hey we have a usd ticker!111!
16:58 mircea_popescu temporarily.
17:04 mircea_popescu and speaking of < kanzure> there is a certain amount of equipment you need before you can do useful biology things << hey kanzure do you have children ?
17:04 jhvh1 Current Roger Ver Coin price is: 17832540.74
17:04 mircea_popescu !!up gribble
17:04 deedbot gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
17:04 shinohai O.o
17:04 mircea_popescu ;;shoot shinohai
17:04 gribble Error: "shoot" is not a valid command.
17:04 shinohai ;;lasers
17:04 gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
17:05 kanzure mircea_popescu: child labor is only as good as the children
17:05 mircea_popescu yes, but do you have any ?
17:05 kanzure not to my knowledge
17:06 mircea_popescu because you don't want any or because there's a certain amount of equipment you need before you can have children ?
17:06 kanzure which goal is this again?
17:06 kanzure i'm confused because it sounds like a goal
17:06 mircea_popescu there's no goal.
17:06 kanzure oh if you say so
17:07 mircea_popescu i'm merely pointing out to you that no, you don't.
17:07 jhvh1 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL
17:07 mircea_popescu heck, i met this chick in cairo, she lived inside a perfectly empty hole in the ground most us solitary inmates wouldn't deem fit as a prison. she had six children.
17:07 kanzure so do lots of other people
17:08 mircea_popescu this notion that "if i pile up enough blue items to make a bower i'll thereby be a bower-biologist and science will frlow from me" is nonsense.
17:09 mircea_popescu kids do it all the time, "i have a professional tennis racquet, just like agassi". it's ok for a 15yo.
17:10 * asciilifeform reads the heathenl0gz, grunts with frustration that there is no ready place to... reply to anything
17:10 kanzure alf doesn't know about /join
17:10 mircea_popescu how not ? it's a thing, silly name but i spoke it yest. lessee
17:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704664
17:10 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 03:10 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times)
17:11 mircea_popescu kanzure a, whjat's that 5 times about ?
17:11 kanzure turns out the fda regulates a lot of things
17:11 asciilifeform kanzure: join doesn't put the people who were talking, magically back, and you folx don't appear to have a culture of linking to logz (or mechanism for handily pointing at individual lines)
17:11 kanzure wheelchairs, can't build a wheelchair according to 'em
17:11 mircea_popescu a there is that.
17:11 kanzure software too
17:11 mircea_popescu kanzure so it's just implicit ? why 5 rather than 48 ?
17:12 kanzure ultrasound imaging requires a prescription in the usistan (sorry i forget your pet name)
17:12 kanzure i think there was an actual counter at some point
17:12 mircea_popescu that works
17:12 mircea_popescu yes, but actual counter based on what.
17:12 asciilifeform hey, even hiv test is illegal in idjotland 'unless by licensed agent'
17:12 mircea_popescu actually, paternity testing is illegal in france, EVEN IF DONE IN SPAIN
17:12 kanzure ok i think you would be more interested in the time that the fbi weapons of mass destruction division assigned special agents to us
17:13 asciilifeform 'oh noez, tester might decide to eat his pistol'
17:13 mircea_popescu one of the lulzier bits of french law.
17:13 mircea_popescu kanzure ok, tell me about that time.
17:13 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/
17:13 mircea_popescu o hey, at least its not a pdf.
17:14 kanzure ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg
17:14 kanzure http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg
17:14 kanzure however, the agents did not show up like that, and they were very disappointing
17:14 mircea_popescu kanzure i can't discern much from this wall of links. can i have a three sentence summary ?
17:15 kanzure fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists
17:15 kanzure so for at least a ~year many of us had regular "coffee meetings" with local area special agent
17:15 mircea_popescu ahaha
17:15 mircea_popescu did they buy ?
17:16 kanzure eventually they realized we were harmless and only going to kill the nonbelievers
17:16 mircea_popescu "Weclome to the conference. I am the local WMD coordinator for the SF division. I've been working with the biocurious folks in SV. Welcome to SF, you guys have a great time, the weather is fantastic." in other lulz.
17:16 mircea_popescu WE WILL FLY DESK TO THE MOONS!
17:18 asciilifeform http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/meg-flanagan-department-of-state/ << lol, complete with clitler ref
17:18 asciilifeform 'We had Secretary Clinton appear, and she's an international celebrity. We were showing that this is important to the US. '
17:18 mircea_popescu i have nfi why the pantsuit actually thouight clinton is a star or at least star material.
17:19 mircea_popescu but they did. one of our time's anthropo-mysteries.
17:19 asciilifeform http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/intro/ >> 'We're not interested in silencing or stopping science. We're interested in stopping the trends on the negative side. We're here to support science. '
17:20 mircea_popescu loller.
17:20 asciilifeform didjaknow!
17:20 mircea_popescu what was it, hate facts, negative science, and other things that ruined the clinton dream.
17:20 asciilifeform !#s fact toxic
17:20 a111 2 results for "fact toxic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fact%20toxic
17:20 gribble Error: "#s" is not a valid command.
17:20 mircea_popescu !!down gribble
17:21 deedbot accepted: 1
17:21 asciilifeform 'We recognize that there are people out there that want to cause harm to the US' interests.' << who could possibly?!111
17:21 mircea_popescu right.
17:22 asciilifeform 'the goal of this gathering is to "foster the positive relationship among FBI, DIYbio, amateur biology, and local stakeholder communities to ensure safe conduct in science." '
17:22 asciilifeform could go on, but why.
17:22 mircea_popescu hey, they gotta try.
17:23 asciilifeform 'For example, National Institutes of Health database which has a great list of compounds and sequences that are suspect, it's wonderful to do searches against it. But you're not allowed to do them during the business day because it puts too much pressure on their servers, so you're supposed to do that after hours.' << ahahahahaha
17:23 mircea_popescu "If you are using city water, filter it. If you are using a closed circuit flow system, check the water and change it every six weeks or so, or drop a few drops of Algaecide in the recirculator. Better yet, use diluted Dow Frost. << howling shits, who uses anything but prop glycol for this ?! srsly, water ? you spring 20 bux for your car, but want the laser free ?
17:23 asciilifeform even better,
17:23 asciilifeform 'I would consider it irresponsible to sell a potentially dangerous composition of matter to someone who you don't know or haven't met. It's just bad judgement. Most of the people on that list are either folks with a history of exclusion for various fraudalent activities, either domestically or internationally, or people who might potentially being terrorists kinda environment, or folks who have published in North Korea, or who have p
17:23 asciilifeform ublished work on bioterrorism stuff. Bonafide researchers in academic institutions are (aren't?) on the list. We've only had one circumstance where we had someone we chose not to sell to, and we referred to the FBI in 10 years of business. It's not a huge practical issue, but it doesn't take a lot of mistakes.'
17:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i use propylene glycol.
17:24 asciilifeform ( about 6 litres, recirculating )
17:24 mircea_popescu i don't know anyone who doesn't.
17:25 mircea_popescu it's just batshit insane, really, tap water ?
17:25 asciilifeform 'The question was asked if you guys would sell.. if you guys ordered with a DIY scientist, not affiliated with an academic lab, someone said- not DNA2.0- or IDT.. yeah, maybe it was IDT. I'm not remembering that because, if you are a bonafide science doing bonafide work. What does that mean? It means you're not on the exclusion list, and it means you're not a bad actor....'
17:25 asciilifeform KYC!!!111
17:25 mircea_popescu obviously.
17:25 mircea_popescu "how to WoT without wotting!!!1"
17:26 asciilifeform inca-startopology-wotting.
17:26 mircea_popescu aha
17:26 BingoBoingo <kanzure> fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists << Eh, back in summer 2014-ish FBI and Department of Treasury knocked on my door. I did the sane thing and blogged it.
17:27 BingoBoingo !#s toxic fact
17:27 a111 4 results for "toxic fact", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=toxic%20fact
17:28 BingoBoingo kanzure: See http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
17:31 mircea_popescu <@fenn> just dumping this rare element overboard for no reason other than we don't feel like keeping it anymore << speaking of He, it's pretty much the only material in which usg has a monopoly. china and to some degree russia own the rare earths/heavy metals, but teh u7s got teh heliumz.
17:32 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well for some defintions thereof. They seem rather insistent on selling it off.
17:32 asciilifeform aaaand they've blown it ~all on neutron detectors.
17:32 mircea_popescu yes well.
17:33 asciilifeform and most of that -- vented away.
17:33 mircea_popescu i said "Crack whore has a couch" not "crack whore will never light her couch on fire"
17:33 asciilifeform http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/chris-anderson-syncberc/ >> possible winner:
17:33 BingoBoingo That fire already seems to have been lit
17:33 asciilifeform 'But I am more concerned about drugs, like methamphetamine. I think meth might be easy to synthesize at biologically active quantities with existing technologies. Why is this a problem? I'm not into drugs myself, but there are dangers. They are probably going to do it with a $40 yogurt maker, you do the engineering in a yeast... then there's a problem. This is someone who .. thoroughly deskilled at this point. It takes no effort to m
17:33 asciilifeform ake this methcoli. Maybe she thinks it's about French culture, and then it grows in her intestines, and she gets either really high or really dead. This is a rusty nails situation. There is a risk that is not intuitively related to what you were doing. This is what scares me. Somehow you have to mitigate that risk. There's also the drug thing with geopolitical consequences of being able to make drugs easily. Right now, why do we have
17:33 asciilifeform all this international trade of drugs? You can't make any of the drugs we have right now in a clandestine way. You have to have giant tanks, or fields of poppeye. I have no idea what the effects of this are, but I think they are probably really big.'
17:33 asciilifeform ^ 'professor'
17:34 mircea_popescu let's go back to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691201 lulz for a moment here.
17:34 a111 Logged on 2017-07-31 18:04 mircea_popescu: aka errowind "noman TEK".
17:34 BingoBoingo lol, most US meth anymore seems to be made in used soda bottles
17:35 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wouldja argue with a Berkeley Professor ?!111
17:35 asciilifeform annointed by Her Putrid Cuntiferous Majesty
17:35 mircea_popescu total clueless dork.
17:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes!
17:36 mircea_popescu you know, it started with this 80s "judges are not to wear their capes in kid court lest the implicit, intended majesty of office scares children". then the "slightly aloof" but totalluy "genius" uni professor occured in the 90s. he spoke like a dork deliberately.
17:36 BingoBoingo How many admitted addicts does Berkeley professor know.
17:36 mircea_popescu it took hold, and now they are actually dorks.
17:36 mircea_popescu not a fucking clue, just bumbling idiots barely a shade above the herd they supposedly shepherd through "Science!!"
17:37 asciilifeform couplea shades ~below~. you couldn't stay in business as a vacuum repairman with this type of empty skullcase.
17:37 mircea_popescu all the better that nobody wants their vacuums repaired.
17:37 * asciilifeform repairs...
17:37 mircea_popescu this is the lulzy dark side of MAGA : supposed it worked, and suppose there were all these jobs... and supposed teh beoble applied, and they were turned down for sucking.
17:37 mircea_popescu WHAT NAO
17:38 BingoBoingo Biodiesel!
17:38 asciilifeform +soap
17:38 mircea_popescu "as it is now, you can't have any jobs because there aren't any. but if there were some, you still couldn't have any, this time for being the suck."
17:38 mircea_popescu "oh mp, this neatly explains how there came to be no jobs in the first place!"
17:38 asciilifeform if we can process million-year animal and vegetable matter, we can process ameritards.
17:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's still oil in the soil nobod ycould be arsed to process. to this day!
17:39 asciilifeform which is why don't wait for'em to sink 1km down!1111
17:39 mircea_popescu i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them.
17:40 asciilifeform not yet, at any rate.
17:40 mircea_popescu < kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ?
17:40 kanzure nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though.
17:40 asciilifeform 'What about if we just block all possible ways to do this? We could block the production of any of these dangerous things? We could have someone decide. But it would also block legit things, and people will work around it. Another thing we could do- we plan to introduce blocks of some sort, but we don't have a plan for how those blocks will work. '
17:40 mircea_popescu so where can i see today's slides ?
17:40 kanzure it's not implemented
17:41 mircea_popescu kay.
17:41 kanzure give me more minions
17:41 mircea_popescu you think that's how it works ?!
17:41 kanzure conjuring? yeah
17:41 kanzure sometimes brainwashing. but yes.
17:41 mircea_popescu i'd say that explains it then.
17:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall that time when somebody wrote in and asked mircea_popescu to 'lend him a gurl' ?
17:42 mircea_popescu no ?
17:42 asciilifeform 'one you aren't using'
17:42 asciilifeform it was in a trilema
17:42 mircea_popescu IT IS EVERY TIME
17:42 mircea_popescu the only time they don't dare is when the girl is right there and she's taller than them and as the song went, "modelul nou de fata s-ar putea sa-l bata"
17:43 mircea_popescu but otherwise, yes, daily.
17:43 asciilifeform 'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!'
17:43 mircea_popescu and the eye glasses and you know.
17:43 kanzure death rays ain't what they used to be
17:44 phf if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me
17:44 mircea_popescu neither the future is what it used to be.
17:44 asciilifeform aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890.
17:44 asciilifeform !#s deathray plot
17:44 a111 4 results for "deathray plot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deathray%20plot
17:44 phf why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now
17:45 asciilifeform phf: can't permit a doingnothers-gap!11
17:45 mircea_popescu phf what'd you have him do ?
17:45 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. << Nah, now they jacket the mass of lead atoms with a different metal
17:45 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bullet may have a waveform associated with it, but it's trivial!
17:46 BingoBoingo LOL
17:46 mircea_popescu so not a proper ray!
17:47 asciilifeform 'GMO is not allowed unelss you have a certified lab. The chief of the fire department institute, it's called CDDBTK (what?), but we have a positive dialog about when to file they will give us permission apparently to do GMO work. '
17:47 mircea_popescu < kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video.
17:47 kanzure you prefer individual jpegs?
17:47 mircea_popescu yes.
17:47 kanzure elaborate
17:47 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Of course it's not a 'proper' ray! It's a DEATH ray! No reason to be polite
17:47 asciilifeform ic dies don't move.
17:47 kanzure but pokemon do
17:48 kanzure (context: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal )
17:48 asciilifeform devils move , at room temp, but that's why you crystallography'em
17:48 mircea_popescu kanzure the overhead of movement is 90% + of the cost you incur ; and 1% or less of the point of interest. microscopy is supposed to be gifs. and correctly colorized so as to allow me to get back the electron microscope original.
17:48 mircea_popescu (i don't mean animated gifs, i mean paletted.)
17:48 kanzure microscopy is supposed to be gifs? next you're going to tell me webm
17:48 kanzure oh.
17:49 mircea_popescu you don't want the "color levels" nonsense of bitmap/jpeg family. you want the gif palette, and a clearly explicit mapping to the electron microscope output.
17:50 mircea_popescu this way you actually have a de facto lossless, and rather useful, microscopy remote format.
17:52 mircea_popescu (likbez : the result of microscopy is a set, of levels, that are not numbers in the proper sense. consequently you wish to see a list of them, but can not do implicit color conversions such as blue+yellow = green, because color #45 the microscope saw has nothing to do with #65 or #72)
17:52 asciilifeform 'FBI question, not biocurious... there's 30k or 40k people getting PhDs in biology, and 100s of people in amateur biology. Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences? Nathan: Well, we're not a one trick pony. We have a lot of assets dedicated to academic biosecurity outreach. We have established such a great relationship with DIYbio from
17:52 asciilifeform the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W
17:52 asciilifeform e're engaged with the FBI, proportionally as the FBI engages in the amateur community. '
17:52 asciilifeform hey hey mircea_popescu , do you remember back when fbi/nsa 'engaged with' the 'cryptographer komyoonity' ?
17:52 asciilifeform and what the result was ?
17:52 mircea_popescu yes. and what a lulz that was.
17:54 mircea_popescu "Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences?" << because people coming from "traditional" are already neutered.
17:54 asciilifeform noshit.jpg
17:54 mircea_popescu you know they're not going to do anything worth the mention as part of the definition.
17:56 asciilifeform asciilifeform lives next to a large reservation for these creatures. lab that makes usg-approved, 'law-abiding' drones; ic fab which makes safely-useless rubbish; electron microscope where asciilifeform is not invited within cannon's breadth, even for money; etc
17:56 asciilifeform lately asciilifeform cannot even use the library catalogue. copyrights, you see. 'students only'
17:56 mircea_popescu heh
17:56 mircea_popescu so enroll, what.
17:56 asciilifeform i used to do just that
17:57 asciilifeform got tired of feeding the scambeast.
17:57 mircea_popescu ah. so then proper statement is, "alf has no use for them"
17:57 asciilifeform then bought scamola 'life membership' , which retro-revoked ~all useful features recently
17:57 mircea_popescu doh.
17:57 mircea_popescu sue them ?
17:57 BingoBoingo ^
17:57 mircea_popescu might be entertaining.
17:58 asciilifeform right after i sue microshit
17:58 asciilifeform and monsanto
17:58 mircea_popescu up to you.
17:58 * BingoBoingo got a speeding ticket earlier this month. In ~two weeks there is a hearing on motions and discovery
18:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: usgistic 'memberships' ( and this case was no exception ) routinely contain a 'we can do WHATEVER the fuck we feel like, incl. throw you out by the ears' clause.
18:00 asciilifeform and 'arbitration clause'.
18:00 mircea_popescu does yours ?
18:00 asciilifeform 'dun like it -- dun use'
18:00 asciilifeform sure did.
18:00 mircea_popescu arbitration is not necessarily bad.
18:00 mircea_popescu anmyway, on the strength of what you presented you got a few k's worth of go away money there.
18:00 mircea_popescu perhaps not worth picking up, your call.
18:03 BingoBoingo Anyways arbitration process is rarely an automatic "fuck you", have to pursue it
18:03 mircea_popescu there's no automatic fuck yous.
18:03 phf mircea_popescu: i actually think we had a thread. activity is either happening, and thus further cultivated (i.e. doers encouraged, talkers are shed, whatever the method), or else there's nothing happening at all. in a sense that you can't draw your pistol faster than your draw speed, so there's nothing really to worry about. i ~suspect~ that there's just no effective culling happening
18:04 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> there's no automatic fuck yous. << Penis in butt?
18:04 BingoBoingo Pantsuit party badge?
18:04 mircea_popescu gotta purse it!
18:04 mircea_popescu phf i perceive he's trying. doesn't know how is separate issue.
18:06 asciilifeform 8-16 : 16:04 < kanzure> people are extremely bad at politics. it's off-topic. banhammerworthy.
18:07 asciilifeform 16:04 < cluckj> technology is politics made concrete *flees*
18:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw something similar re "philosophy". so let's ask again, you know, "Why is the FBI not focused on the soup"
18:09 mircea_popescu anyway. people are way the fuck worse at science than they are at politics ; and women ESPECIALLY so. but the general population sucking is not a reason to ignore the field.
18:09 mircea_popescu heck, people are terrifyingly bad at fucking, also.
18:11 kanzure it's reason to shut them up
18:12 mircea_popescu < kanzure> well who's at the top then << i am, aren't i.
18:13 phf asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip.
18:13 mircea_popescu o hey.
18:14 asciilifeform phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled
18:14 asciilifeform ( might reappear )
18:14 shinohai Actual item from newsfeed: "How a leader can move forward without consensus"
18:14 mircea_popescu "fuck you guyse, you're going home" ?
18:14 shinohai That would have been how *I* wrote it
18:15 phf asciilifeform: he fucked up his scheduling, but afaik he's still comming to dc in november.
18:15 asciilifeform he mentioned something about a funeral. ( in 2 month from now ! i've nfi )
18:15 asciilifeform i'd still trade with him, moar ivories, merrier
18:15 asciilifeform ( almost guarantee that i'll fry one when pinout finally materializes and it's time to plug'em in )
18:16 asciilifeform 8-15 : 19:47 < kanzure> well it's 12178.3 MHz so... https://blockstream.com/satellite/satellite/#
18:16 asciilifeform ahahahahahaha
18:17 asciilifeform kanzure: wouldja like to defend this atrocity ?
18:18 phf my cousin asked me if i'm "into the whole bitcoin" thing, and mentioned that they now sell houses and stuff using btc. i said i heard about it..
18:19 asciilifeform phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? -
18:19 asciilifeform Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот '
18:21 kanzure why are you learning about that from me
18:21 asciilifeform kanzure: we had the thread here.
18:22 asciilifeform kanzure: but you did not condemn the idiocy, in linked text. so i gotta wonder.
18:22 phf the wisdom of this joke is lost on me. though past few days the joke that's on my mind the most is, the one about shtirlitz: borman i shtirlitz pyut vmeste. borman govorit, "shtirlitz, a ved vi yevrey!" "Net!" govorit shtirlitz "Ya russkii!!!"
18:22 asciilifeform phf: was in re 'have you any btc'
18:22 * mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
18:23 mircea_popescu actually, why exclude.
18:24 mircea_popescu 1`319`523 words in comments there.
18:26 phf (and in completely unrelated to anything lulz, i just discovered that the very first email in my email archive, june 2006 is an allegro lisp trial license)
18:26 mircea_popescu ha!
18:26 * asciilifeform has older ones but of 0 possible interest
18:27 mircea_popescu my oldest emails are from the 90s, and were left behind with the 386 pine-running system that housed them. probably of interest, but not really to me.
18:29 asciilifeform 8-7 : 05:59 < fenn> i'm still unsure whether diybio is real
18:29 asciilifeform 06:00 < fenn> it would be great if it were
18:29 * asciilifeform also thinks 'would be great if it were'
18:31 mircea_popescu hey, i'd be absolutely exstatic if the wetware computing progressed along while we're busy with the hardware ones.
18:31 asciilifeform !#s computers you can't program
18:31 a111 8 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can%27t%20program
18:31 mircea_popescu so far the danger doesn't seem too great though.
18:31 asciilifeform ^ oblig kreinin
18:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was speaking metaphorically! you know, whatever bio-stuff.
18:33 asciilifeform aite. ( there's a still-appreciable population of folx who actually go in for 'wet computer' nonsense. )
18:35 asciilifeform in re 'amateur bio', in 1990s asciilifeform's brother worked with a d00d who spent his entire pay on surplus dna synths, various iron, liked to remark 'real programmers program lifeforms'. sum of this -- afaik -- was 0.
18:35 mircea_popescu certainly. but no, sometyhing, anything. "in the past nine years while the republic choked the remnants of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 we at the soviet biolabs have a) deployed ten thousand chips in the back yard resulting in three different bactins ; and have this microscope that spit out 10k gifs.
18:35 a111 Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
18:35 mircea_popescu something like that would already be great.
18:36 asciilifeform will remark, that microscopes ain't made of meat, either
18:36 asciilifeform and do not self-reproduce.
18:36 asciilifeform 'junkyard wars' is a valid approach to technology in a decaying world, but has obvious limits.
18:36 mircea_popescu not a matter of reproduce. a matter of produce in the first place!
18:36 asciilifeform can 'produce' almost anything by... being at the right surplus auction.
18:37 asciilifeform the puzzler is how to produce it again.
18:37 asciilifeform ( or repair. )
18:37 mircea_popescu phuctor spits out a few broken keys each day. this accretes, because it's relatively cheaper to do it over time. good luck to anyone trying to replicate it TODAY.
18:37 mircea_popescu let them have a microscope that produces something each day.
18:37 asciilifeform whoever walked off with dulap-I can prolly replicate..
18:37 mircea_popescu also over time.
18:37 asciilifeform tru
18:38 mircea_popescu this is the important point here, be a fucking capitalist already, let time work for you. drop this nonsensical "oh, we can waste resources, inflation wiull make up for it anyway" nonsense.
18:38 mircea_popescu it very well fucking won't.
18:40 phf when bioware i'm always reminded of 1010 and his earth computer http://www.1010.co.uk/org/sketches.html (and similar attempts elsewhere on his site)
18:41 asciilifeform phf: d00d was a mad-genius
18:41 asciilifeform whatever happened to him...
18:42 mircea_popescu and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm.
18:42 phf judging by his output of workshops and performances (as opposed to cool hacks and circuits) i'm pretty sure he's just sitting on nodick grants at this point. what happened to all his kind in merkle europe
18:43 mircea_popescu phf it's the bologna system that fucked it. angela tard about as relevant as the captain of the titanic.
18:43 phf ( previous thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17#1434999 )
18:43 a111 Logged on 2016-03-17 02:50 asciilifeform: phf: i am long-time fan of howse.
18:44 shinohai mircea_popescu: I use olive oil to lite briquettes ..... always seems to work 1000% better
18:44 asciilifeform i made use of his work re sensitive amps. however must note that his original objective was.... listening to earth-devils, or sumthinglikeit
18:44 mircea_popescu oil also works yes.
18:46 mircea_popescu !#s "siliconpr0n.org"
18:46 a111 4 results for "\"siliconpr0n.org\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22siliconpr0n.org%22
18:46 mircea_popescu how about that.
18:47 mircea_popescu dood did an early bfl cutup too. kanzure do you know him ?
18:49 phf i was half expecting to find an ivory there ^
18:49 mircea_popescu ikr?
18:49 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm. << Aluminum "chimney" and newspaper ftw
18:49 mircea_popescu newspaper bad, various chems.
18:49 mircea_popescu both in ink and paper.
18:50 BingoBoingo Vintage newspaper, who's buying the new ones
18:50 mircea_popescu lead.
18:50 mircea_popescu alcohol. pure, clean burn. do it.
18:50 BingoBoingo Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry
18:50 mircea_popescu sawdust prolly has glue.
18:50 BingoBoingo Glue from where?
18:50 mircea_popescu from the "recycled wood"
18:50 BingoBoingo What tree dropping limbs around me has glue?
18:51 mircea_popescu if selfmade then yes
18:51 BingoBoingo Chainsaw makes coarse enough sawdust to not fear explosion at sane collected amounts
18:52 * mircea_popescu has never tried
18:53 BingoBoingo Eh, just assign it to a girl. "learn to chainsaw, report on the experience"
18:53 mircea_popescu nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.
18:53 kanzure mircea_popescu: siliconpr0n.org guy? met him in 2007.
18:53 mircea_popescu what's he doing these days ? wants to be part of macivory cutup efforts ?
18:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, that's from using arm powered saw. Chainsaw implies 2-stroke powerplant
18:54 mircea_popescu ah i guess there's that.
18:54 BingoBoingo And for most of chainsaw cut workpiece bears weight of saw
18:55 kanzure satellites
18:58 shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705873 <<< It's an honest-to-God sub-genre: https://www.xvideos.com/tags/amputee
18:58 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 22:53 mircea_popescu: nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.
18:59 mircea_popescu in other news, #homecmos still exists.
19:00 mircea_popescu logger died sometime in 2014, but anyways.
19:07 BingoBoingo Of possible interest to kanzure, diy bio in the wild https://archive.is/kvQm1
19:11 kanzure 1c8d50a5c99d0c65428e2e1da77430477be436d671ce8203a75ff4ae600ba85e thanks
19:11 mircea_popescu whassat ?
19:11 kanzure your transaction
19:11 mircea_popescu oh oh. sure.
19:20 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-482547.txt
19:21 mircea_popescu < kanzure> what's the fastest microcritter and how fast would the travel have to be to keep up (including opencv delays)? << some spore shooting organisms do crazy shit like 20m/s speeds reached within a fraction of a second / the first milimeter of travel.
19:23 mircea_popescu !#s pilobolus
19:23 a111 0 results for "pilobolus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pilobolus
19:23 mircea_popescu well now there is.
19:23 kanzure there was a recent paper on ballistic weapons in microbes
19:24 mircea_popescu these are mostly faeces dwellers, have to shoot spores out of the way so animals still eat them.
19:24 mircea_popescu in other words : there's no safe assumptions in biology provided by biology, but only by physics. because selection will actually cover anything.
19:25 kanzure ttps://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html
19:25 kanzure https://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html
19:26 kanzure why can't i type urls right anymore
19:26 mircea_popescu did you wire your broken k to the h ?
19:27 kanzure i used a paperclip
19:27 mircea_popescu windows people.
19:27 kanzure the keyboard sucks anyway, there's like >10 ms delay between keypress recognition
19:28 mircea_popescu get one of alf's.
19:28 mircea_popescu solid steel items
19:29 BingoBoingo carved by C02 lazer from obsidian or something like that
19:29 mircea_popescu <@fenn> why is there no "hardware liberation front" that hacks peoples computers for driver documentation? << 2014.
19:33 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/08/diy-biology-latest-fad-sweeping-the-republic/ << Qntra - DIY Biology Latest Fad Sweeping The Republic
19:33 mircea_popescu lmao
19:33 BingoBoingo Remember, the problem of Niggeropolis is that those bringing stones to the soup could ever imagine they are a polis https://archive.is/UXsO6
19:34 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, it's news for a change. And by crossing 24 hour mark DIY Bio is a thing nao.
19:35 trinque !!unrate kanzure guess I'll see where this goes
19:36 BingoBoingo trinque: How's the weather? I heard the Army Corps of engineers dumped reservoir water into your flood waters
19:36 trinque !!v 45568436D388EB26648C2B3E0F80C665C4B11D01D34A49DF27073CF23C73A359
19:36 deedbot trinque unrated kanzure.
19:36 trinque BingoBoingo: yeah, couple of levees were going to pop; couple did afaik
19:36 trinque I've got some decent pictures of the flooding
19:37 mircea_popescu o hey.
19:37 BingoBoingo Still king of your particular hill?
19:37 trinque picked a good hill, yep
19:37 BingoBoingo No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?
19:37 mircea_popescu in huston ?!
19:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Even with Texas, Houston is urban. Has urban populations.
19:39 mircea_popescu yes, but of texans.
19:40 kanzure trinque: mighty big of you, thanks.
19:40 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways Dallas area has a number of resettled Katrina refugees.
19:41 mircea_popescu this would be a good story you know, "the rain girl". take a super hot chick and cast her in a film about how wherever she goes it floods. badly.
19:41 mircea_popescu her bf dies... etc.
19:41 * BingoBoingo wondering if nostalgia looting drive would overcome, "WTF we in Texas" reality
19:42 BingoBoingo IRL the rain girl's name is monique. She don't really care about her BF and half her baby dadies are in Louisiana's Angola penitentiary.
19:43 mircea_popescu heh
19:43 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705921 << most likely rockport will rebuild rockport, corpus, corpus
19:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 23:37 BingoBoingo: No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?
19:44 trinque rednecks do that
19:44 BingoBoingo Trinque isn't washing away for the same reason I didn't wash away this spring or winter of 2015. White priviledge.
19:44 trinque houston meanwhile's fine; for all the "ohmygurd unprecedented" in the pantsuit media, the bayou system worked *flawlessly*
19:44 mircea_popescu aha.
19:44 BingoBoingo trinque: "Reparations Ops" are that thing the ubran folk do in Baltimore and the cops did
19:45 BingoBoingo trinque: What is this bayou system, explain in a Qntra submission on how fake the fake news coverage of this rain drop pidder padder is.
19:45 trinque lemme get together some food then sure will.
19:47 trinque brb
19:47 BingoBoingo k
19:47 BingoBoingo ty
19:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
19:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11832.82536188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4598.9, vol: 32739.34915172 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4593.15, vol: 5536.9975914 | Volume-weighted last average: 4596.16297849
19:55 kanzure mircea_popescu: this may amuse you as well. i have been documenting every conversation i've ever had since 2009, sort of a personal CRM system. i used to do some basic graphing: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png
19:55 kanzure each conversation is documented with lots of tags and other data
19:56 mircea_popescu cool. why'd you stop ?
20:00 kanzure i haven't. just the graphs (that was one-off).
20:00 kanzure more embarrassingly, the data used to be public
20:01 mircea_popescu ic
20:04 mircea_popescu anyway, a very large portion of why the forum has such large snr is the reference system. it is not only the first level advantage, of reference. it has massive second order effects, such as it gets people to organzie their thoughts for it.
20:05 mircea_popescu which ius why your logs are full of "one sentence in five lines, three words to the line" myspacetardations ; whereas not here.
20:09 mircea_popescu Downloaded: 24981 files, 7.9G in 23m 57s (5.61 MB/s) << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705469
20:09 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..
20:11 mircea_popescu !~calc 10987237 / 921344
20:11 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 10987237 / 921344 = 11.92522771082245
20:12 mircea_popescu in fairness 12 is not terrible anyway. avg line < 6 words is a great heuristic for "collection of monkeys and idiots"
20:22 kanzure i had only 8 GB of junk?
20:23 mircea_popescu (for the actuarially inclined : #trilema Apr 25 11:09:37 2012 - Sep 10 11:09:37 2016 averages 12.80 wpl ; henceforth 16.40 wpl.
20:23 mircea_popescu kanzure in the log dir.
20:23 kanzure grab this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/
20:23 mircea_popescu what am i going to do with a bunch of pdfs.
20:23 mircea_popescu anyway, the bot auto archives all links put in channel.
20:24 kanzure but think about all the fun you're missing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/
20:24 mircea_popescu with any luck asciilifeform will print them out. he does that.
20:33 mircea_popescu in other lulz, <@fenn> nobody ever got rich by not asking for money << i don't recall my ever asking anyone.
20:34 mircea_popescu to quote that old guy in casino, "it goes against the whole principle of the whole thing".
20:42 mircea_popescu <@fenn> guh. so i've been thinking about building a boat so i can just put all my stuff in the boat and live in the boat and sail wherever i want to go << check that out asciilifeform ! he may wanna go halvsies on orlol's tub ?
20:43 kanzure he started building a submarine
20:43 kanzure (the recent peter madsen stuff has been weird)
20:44 mircea_popescu how big ?
20:44 kanzure small. he is into small dwellings i guess. who knows.
20:44 mircea_popescu kanzure i thought it was ben lipkowitz. what peter madsen ?
20:44 kanzure i was talking about fenn yes, until i started mentioning peter madsen
20:45 mircea_popescu ah
20:45 kanzure peter madsen originally started copenhagen suborbitals, an amateur rocketry group; he is notorious for building and operating a submarine in denmark, and within the past ~week for also murdering someone on his submarine (allegedly).
20:45 mircea_popescu anyway, small sub is problematic. there's this optimal size and domain limits for mechanical items. there's a smallest combustion engine, there's a smallest sub and so on.
20:45 mircea_popescu ah yeah saw that.
20:55 mircea_popescu aand there we go, ate a day of h++ logs.
~ 34 minutes ~
21:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 << no but... he has a point doesn't he.
21:30 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
21:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704921 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704721
21:35 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 14:31 asciilifeform: i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.
21:35 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
21:41 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704926 << i was actually wondering about that. how exactly does it exist ? like, could i buy one ? is the bar of ontology here "i have a description of how it could be made" ? or "i have one in my kitchen and there's the lsit of how i made it" ? or "you can have one made for 20 bux, send here" ? or what ?
21:41 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:27 kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?
21:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704946 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628597
21:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:51 kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes
21:43 a111 Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romania building world's largest laser, 10 PW
21:45 kanzure yes but he said something like <1000 or whatever
21:45 kanzure re: the electroporator, it's a purchasable kit somewhere
21:45 mircea_popescu what do you mean somewhere
21:46 kanzure i have someone else handling his online ordering system
21:46 kanzure https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/2LVPU_Dw5FE/Bby-M_ZYAwAJ
21:46 mircea_popescu well i dun google groups, but ... so i could order one ?
21:47 kanzure https://github.com/kanzure/culture_shock
21:48 kanzure hmm where did the link go
21:48 mircea_popescu so am i safe3 in assuming you never actually sold one ?
21:49 kanzure well last update i got is that we're still testing it, maybe he hasn't configured shopify what a shame
21:49 mircea_popescu how long ago was that ?
21:49 kanzure a few weeks i don't care
21:49 mircea_popescu you don't ?
21:49 kanzure are you one of those mouthbreathing micro managers
21:50 mircea_popescu no ; but so far the story here seems to be that the crowning achievement of a decade's effort is one item that happened a coupla weeks ago and you don't care about.
21:50 mircea_popescu this is a pretty weak story.
21:50 kanzure what gets to qualify as a corn achievement anyway?
21:51 mircea_popescu whatever you want.
21:51 kanzure hmm.
21:51 mircea_popescu this is how people evaluate you, neh ? "what did you do ?". how else ?
21:55 kanzure wpm?
21:55 mircea_popescu i'm sorry ?
21:55 kanzure words per minute. it's funny because i'm the fastest.
21:56 kanzure ( http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/leaders.php )
21:57 mircea_popescu i thought the alt-tmsr you're trying to build was being discussed rather than your typing speed.
21:59 asciilifeform what is the flex cable doing in the electroporator ??
21:59 kanzure all questions to ##hplusroadmap thanks bye
22:00 asciilifeform and why is the design for item that simply charges a cap to known coloumb charge, and zaps a millilitre tube, moar voluminous than, e.g., that of FUCKGOATS..
22:00 asciilifeform why is 'micropython' needed in the micro
22:00 kanzure eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic
22:00 asciilifeform and for that matter..
22:00 asciilifeform why a micro at all
22:00 asciilifeform i had an analogue unit at nih, worked fine
22:01 asciilifeform why gild the lily?
22:01 kanzure gild the whatnow?
22:02 asciilifeform не культурный.
22:03 mircea_popescu !~tr ru to en не культурный
22:03 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
22:03 mircea_popescu !~translate ru to en не культурный
22:03 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: Non-cultural
22:04 mircea_popescu kanzure "to gild the lilly", to attempt an expensive artisanal process to improve an item which is naturally unsurpassable.
22:04 mircea_popescu sort-of like designer babies, come to think of it.
22:04 asciilifeform from the groups link ( 2016!! ) : 'OK, so will you help me promote it with twitter, instagram, snap chat videos when the time comes?'
22:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: non cultured
22:05 mircea_popescu i've yet to meet a technical mind that understood promotion. (worship is not understanding)
22:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no i know, i just thought it'll payoff in lulz. it did.
22:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform come to think about it, i'm not so sure it's a lilly. different zap properties may prove interesting.
22:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704960 << this is true, and yes pretty shocking.
22:15 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:54 asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.
22:15 mircea_popescu but yes, the underwater cities not here yet either!
22:19 kanzure how did you get from submarine to city?
22:20 mircea_popescu no relation.
22:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704965 << it's probable, though.
22:21 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:56 kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.
22:21 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704966 << fwif not my reading of the situation.
22:21 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:57 asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc
22:22 mircea_popescu dude trying to figure out ; being male the strategy doth involve a little twisting of items around. no big deal, the items can take it.
22:22 kanzure i must have missed that one from alf
22:25 trinque it's the sideways californian variant of the twisting that grates
22:26 trinque incidentally it occurred to me today that the accent in austin is shifting due to the years-long cali colonization
22:26 mircea_popescu i can see that.
22:27 mircea_popescu then again, the space of possibilities is vast. and we're pretty divergent.
22:27 trinque sure
22:30 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704969 << this is actually an interesting q. why are you in there kanzure ? the unexamined impression that "talent" or somesuch ?
22:30 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 15:58 asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?
22:31 kanzure uh holding on to some vague amount of optimism that you're just full of shit about goallessness
22:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704978 << i suspect you misunderstood something. which line was this ?
22:31 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 16:02 kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given
22:32 kanzure i thought i quoted it later. keep reading.
22:32 mircea_popescu aite
22:34 mircea_popescu why btw ?> what'd my being fulla shit re goallessness do ?
22:35 kanzure i don't know why you are surprised or confused about any of this. you don't do this kind of butt sniffing? it's what dogs do.
22:36 mircea_popescu um.
22:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705010 << moebius.
22:43 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 16:16 kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip
22:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705038 <<< well obviously, that's the fucking point... i manage more of what people usualoly call results through NOT having goals than they ever do through having them.
22:45 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 16:26 trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes
22:46 mircea_popescu this is supposed to be noticed by the more mentally active amongst them.
22:47 mircea_popescu at least once the butthurt over having wasted a decade washes away.
22:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705019 << this is just bad translation ; i can readily prove this by pointing out that if nato changed meaning so would your "goal". you're just pursuing some causes is all.
22:47 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 16:23 asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.
22:51 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705053 << btw, cheap and obvious error correction : do once then rotate 90 degrees do again. then reconcile. is this used irl ?
22:51 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 16:32 asciilifeform: understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?
23:02 BingoBoingo Bio hacking horror story, with butch arms https://archive.is/2e3go
23:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705091 << pretty much everyone here is fluent in multiple languages. and, just like not being monetarily poor, not being linguistically poor is an imperative for the civilised man. so no, it's not acceptable to not speak languages anymore than it's acceptable to eat frozen dinners.
23:03 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 17:03 kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here
23:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705103 << that convo doesn't support your interpretation.
23:04 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 18:12 kanzure: BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384
23:04 kanzure illiteracy was regarding my inability to read and write
23:05 kanzure typing quickly is comparatively a lesser concern
23:05 mircea_popescu right.
23:05 mircea_popescu why are you monolingual anyway
23:05 * mircea_popescu is hoping he's not about to hear "because nobody told me before it's unseemly"
23:05 kanzure i pretend to read many languages, does that count?
23:06 mircea_popescu no, pretense does not count.
23:06 kanzure then i'll claim crappy peers
23:06 mircea_popescu that's unfortunate.
23:12 BingoBoingo kanzure: So what's the quick spiel on how to use the other channel to turn into an augmented superman. Preferably by next week.
23:13 kanzure that's a rather fast timeline
23:13 kanzure i suggest using it to source anabolic steroids
23:14 kanzure but your timeline is still unreasonably short
23:14 mircea_popescu lol bb in roid rage. that should be some lulz.
23:15 kanzure a lot of the roid rage fearmongering is just general anti-anger wishful thinking
23:15 BingoBoingo kanzure: So what really is the selling point of hplus if it can't beat Trenbolone?
23:17 mircea_popescu people gotta have a home...
23:17 BingoBoingo Still, if gene therapy is going to be a thing it has to start beating incumbents.
23:18 kanzure have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet?
23:18 BingoBoingo This is why Tesla is a golf cart maker
23:18 kanzure she wanted like $80M from me "but not for treatments"
23:19 kanzure (i mean her term sheet was garbage)
23:21 BingoBoingo Car needs to have range, and not take an eternity to refuel.
23:21 BingoBoingo Similarly what does modafinil and other non-amphetamine nootropics have going for them?
23:22 kanzure my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.
23:22 BingoBoingo Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year?
23:23 kanzure trenbolone is longevity now?
23:23 kanzure and do you mean cocaine resistance? why would you inflict that on someone?
23:24 BingoBoingo No! I mean cocaine and trenbolone are drugs that allow people to experience more living in a year.
23:25 BingoBoingo As opposed to living longer.
23:25 BingoBoingo Because who needs to be 90 anyways? We already had Seneca
23:25 kanzure ah you want hedonistic imperative https://www.hedweb.com/
23:25 kanzure https://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/tabconhi.htm
23:27 BingoBoingo Nah, living is distinct from hedonism
23:28 BingoBoingo kanzure: See http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685925
23:28 a111 Logged on 2017-07-18 05:35 BingoBoingo predicts trend of pantsuit boy CEO's getting into this sort of artificial masculinity and calling it "biohacking"
23:29 BingoBoingo Conservation follows from there
23:30 kanzure happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history.
23:31 kanzure "Anyways, it doesn't actually do magic swole imparting without at least some exercise" not according to some studies. i mean it depends on how magic you're looking for.
23:41 BingoBoingo Well, gotta exercise off the rage?
23:49 kanzure what? surely not.
23:50 kanzure http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bodybuilding/The%20effects%20of%20supraphysiologic%20doses%20of%20testosterone%20on%20muscle%20size%20and%20strength%20in%20normal%20men.pdf
23:53 * BingoBoingo discussion Trenbolone, not testosterone.
23:57 BingoBoingo See https://archive.is/arv0s
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