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00:10 deedbot http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-iii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part III
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00:40 trinque this is getting great.
~ 4 hours 49 minutes ~
05:30 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
05:30 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1132.0, vol: 11870.49427512 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1110.612, vol: 5569.02674 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1134.8, vol: 14528.00686702 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1086.519981, vol: 4311.64890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1134.1, vol: 1989.691172 | Volume-weighted last average: 1124.93557762
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10:10 asciilifeform in other lulz, http://shattered.io
10:16 mircea_popescu google has gpu farm huh.
10:16 asciilifeform fpga farm also.
10:17 asciilifeform (not mega-seekrit, it was what alphago ran on)
10:17 shinohai In other news `SHA-1` is trending on twitter today: https://twitter.com/search?q=SHA-1&src=tren
10:19 asciilifeform !#s sha1
10:19 a111 181 results for "sha1", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sha1
10:19 asciilifeform ^ rich chronicle of lulz
10:24 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ << Trilema - Is it still rape if I write "science" on my penis first ?
10:29 asciilifeform oh mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : the wires patch has a mistake, it fails to reconnect; please do not waste time to test it until fixed.
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11:56 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
11:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html
11:56 asciilifeform ^ [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Wires (rev. 1)
11:58 trinque However they ~will~ prevent the idiotic situation where known/trusted nodes were treated equally to random scum. << lovely, thank you asciilifeform
11:58 trinque later today I will test
12:00 asciilifeform trinque: two main things to test, afaik: 1) reconnects (let it connect, then temporarily ban ip in iptables on the other side; see how long it takes to reconnect) and 2 ) bidirectional wires, two nodes 'wired to' one another, same, in each direction.
12:01 shinohai ty asciilifeform .... will test this afternoon
12:01 asciilifeform third item to test : two or more wires.
12:02 asciilifeform fourth item : wires over ssh tunnel (set up the tunnel, then add 127.0.0.1:tunnelport as your wire)
12:02 asciilifeform that's pretty much it.
12:03 trinque you got it.
12:05 asciilifeform oh i neglected to revise the readme: 'they don't ever voluntarily get disconnected' is not strictly true!!!! wires are now permitted to disconnect (in catastrophic situations, e.g. flood) but will attempt to reconnect after the set interval, ad infinitum.
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12:22 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu in re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617048 , interestingly zoolag -- despite being an x86 comp the size of a tea saucer, and weighing ~400 gram -- has roughly 3x faster block verification (of given block) than dulap ! -- on account of ssd.
12:22 a111 Logged on 2017-02-23 03:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd.
12:22 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:28 mircea_popescu there's also that.
12:29 asciilifeform seems to support the disk thrashing hypothesis.
12:29 mircea_popescu certainly a large part.
12:31 asciilifeform in other lulz:
12:31 asciilifeform 'One of the first speeches at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference challenged the media to stop referring to the “alt-right,” a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state and that strongly backed Donald Trump for president, as conservative. “There is a sinister organization that is trying to warp its way into our ranks,” said Dan Schneider, the executive director of the American Conservative Un
12:31 asciilifeform ion, which runs CPAC. “We must not be deceived by [a] hateful, left-wing fascist group.”'
12:32 asciilifeform and in neighbouring monkey cage,
12:32 asciilifeform 'William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, defended journalists this week, calling President Trump’s denunciation of the media as “the enemy of the American people” the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s seen in his lifetime.'
12:33 asciilifeform ( https://archive.is/3s601 , https://archive.is/nApiy for dedicated entomologists . )
12:35 asciilifeform and in same fishwrap, another 'new york deathray plot', https://archive.is/me1dv >> 'The U.S. Army veteran was charged last week with trying to support the Islamic State ... Agents swooped in during a meeting with a man Hester believed was an Islamic State contact, according to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Missouri. But the man was actually an undercover FBI agent who had been building a case against the 25-year-0ld f
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12:35 asciilifeform ather of two.'
12:36 asciilifeform 'On his profile, he described himself as “Zionist Jew Pig Redneck Hunting Super Assassin,” according to court documents. '
12:36 asciilifeform brilliant.
12:38 asciilifeform 'Hester said he didn’t have money for bullets but could buy some in a couple weeks when he got his tax return.'
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12:54 mats lol
12:56 asciilifeform nao, nobody expects to read about non-retarded 13337 t3rror1stz in the völkischer beobachter. but apparently nowhere else, either.
12:56 mircea_popescu clearly the jew pig did a great turn for our democracy.
12:56 mircea_popescu these be dangerous twenty five year olds with two kids.
12:57 asciilifeform and with temper tantrums at wife in lolmart, etc.
12:57 asciilifeform fit for lafond article.
12:57 mircea_popescu anyway, what did the pravda say, what is the "big" and non-alt-right conservative ?
12:57 mircea_popescu either in terms of who participates or what it proposes. i can't seem to find either ?
12:57 mircea_popescu this "small" alt right seems to be about the entire right.
12:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'non-alt' is the old 'gop', the one that sets up 9/11s, invades iraq, etc.
12:59 mircea_popescu umm
12:59 asciilifeform 'alt' is -- until recently -- crackpots, mr.mold et al. now is hell knows what, 1,001 remoras.
13:00 mircea_popescu ie what, rove + rumsfeld ? can they even piss on their own by now ?
13:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they put on new set of hand muppet gloves, clitler et al.
13:00 mircea_popescu i thought the pantsuit clown was "progressive" not "conservative".
13:00 mircea_popescu did they mix the hagen dasz ?
13:01 asciilifeform the 'respectable conservatives' are a zhirinovskian 'heat sink' and have been for decades.
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13:02 mircea_popescu so the media reports to have been "challenged" to stop mentioning the rapist raping it into an early grave by certain imaginary friends it has hallucinated into existence ?
13:02 mircea_popescu somebody should give the media its pills.
13:08 asciilifeform speaking of zhirinovskys,
13:08 asciilifeform 'White nationalist Richard Spencer says he’s been kicked out of a gathering of conservative activists. Spencer posted a video on the internet saying he was “politely asked to leave” the Conservative Political Action Conference. Spencer was booted shortly after being denounced by an organizer of the conference. American Conservative Union Executive Director Dan Schneider denounced the so-called alt-right as anti-Semitic, racist
13:08 asciilifeform and sexist.'
13:15 mats i lost some coin betting against the sha1 collision
13:15 mats :(
13:15 mircea_popescu aw
13:15 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check that out, just like the white house!
13:16 mircea_popescu it shall be so lulzy to watch the libertards reconstruct BOTH the shreds of their failed official-left party as well as an imaginary not-trump GOP, all this while actually having to work two jobs to support themselves because well, the endowments are gone-gone.
13:16 mircea_popescu it's like going from jewish princess to blue collar divorced man in the space of one fucking season.
13:28 asciilifeform they're gone?!
13:28 * asciilifeform missed the memo
13:28 mircea_popescu they're gone.
13:31 asciilifeform mats: it is a little disappointing, apparently not fully general collision, but only works on strings having a certain structure
13:32 asciilifeform which, i cannot help but notice, resembles the mirrored keys on phuctor...
13:32 mats i am inconsolable
13:34 mats likely donged by some googler in the project
13:35 asciilifeform mats: i learned my lesson re bbet during the leesedol thing.
13:35 mats i did not learn my lesson
13:35 mats it is time for me to give up betting
13:35 asciilifeform 'don't play chump games unless you stacked the deck yourself. and even then, reconsider.'
13:35 mats i am reformed
13:36 mats i was also stung by the alphago bet
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13:36 mircea_popescu betting is supposed to be a passtime you.
13:36 mircea_popescu exactly like talking to unknown women.
13:36 mircea_popescu you're not supposed to build your life on it.
13:36 asciilifeform more like taking unknown pills.
13:37 mircea_popescu not unless you're gay.
13:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform basically they're mining pdfs. anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, please god anything, just as long as it's not the thing.
13:38 mircea_popescu they should probably hire adlai.
13:38 asciilifeform waiwat
13:38 mircea_popescu dude, they are mining pdfs. you understand this ?
13:39 mircea_popescu added a fucking nonce, diddle it, hurr durr we're contributering.
13:39 asciilifeform the sha1 people posted the algo. shouldn't take too much work to turn it into a, e.g., gpg fp clobberer.
13:39 asciilifeform as i currently understand it.
13:39 mircea_popescu ~none whatsoever, yep.
13:39 asciilifeform or git clobberer
13:39 mircea_popescu that's already broken.
13:39 shinohai lel
13:39 mircea_popescu anyway, may even work with the FULL fingerprint/
13:39 asciilifeform well yes, specifically the full fp
13:40 asciilifeform short fp was breakable on a 486
13:40 mircea_popescu which is funny seeing how tmsr design was moving towards "full modulus" a year ago and "for no reason"
13:40 mircea_popescu other than us being you know, unscientific and crazy.
13:40 asciilifeform 'refused to use git for no reason'
13:40 asciilifeform 'ain't git-cum-pgp as good as v..?' -- somebody or other
13:40 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's an intermediate fp between the 40 char and the 8 char item.
13:42 asciilifeform 'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint. ' -- ye olde rfc4880
13:43 asciilifeform notice that this comes with a built-in twiddle nonce -- the key creation timestamp
13:43 mircea_popescu aha
13:44 adlai mircea_popescu: dafuq do you want
13:44 mircea_popescu dude, get lost. i'm going to use you for a urinal. that's it.
13:45 asciilifeform lel d00d was tuned in, all this time..
13:46 mircea_popescu bare life is resilient if nothing else.
13:46 mircea_popescu the female lesson.
13:46 adlai all i gotta say is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612989 << takes one to know one!
13:46 a111 Logged on 2017-02-10 14:49 mircea_popescu: you are an idiot ; go away.
13:46 asciilifeform adlai: any time you feel like doing something useful -- no shortage of items. there is, for instance, a trb knob direly needing testing, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html
13:47 danielpbarron the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195
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13:47 mircea_popescu don't be ridiculous.
13:48 shinohai A Gavinized addy to be fair
13:48 mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's as real as it gets, why wouldn't it be real
13:48 trinque !!v F3F6D82C88ACE2E26D827DD848196508ACC2E2F5ACBF465EA39F4618FDE17FB6
13:48 deedbot trinque rated adlai -1 << endless noise
13:48 danielpbarron !!gettrust deedbot adlai
13:48 deedbot L1: 0, L2: 1 by 5 connections.
13:49 asciilifeform lol firing squad
13:50 asciilifeform in other vintage lulz, 'Note also that unlike nearly every other OpenPGP subsystem, there are no parameters in the MDC system. It hard-defines SHA-1 as its hash function. This is not an accident. It is an intentional choice to avoid downgrade and cross-grade attacks while making a simple, fast system. (A downgrade attack would be an attack that replaced SHA-256 with SHA-1, for example. A cross-grade attack would replace SHA-1 wi
13:50 asciilifeform th another 160-bit hash, such as RIPE-MD/160, for example.)'
13:50 danielpbarron !!v B70C174B83C2EDD8F14C99B964B18D4763A3471642B3247CABB7258FE1BA4F4A
13:50 deedbot danielpbarron rated adlai -1 << shut up already
13:50 asciilifeform -- the -- i shit thee not -- rfc.
13:50 mircea_popescu lel
13:51 asciilifeform 'to prevent anal punishments, we pre-inserted this road cone into your arse. this is not an accident. it is an intentional choice...'
13:54 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617193 >> golden lulzies, 'Note that the value of your SHA256, RIPEMD160, RIPEMD160(SHA256()) or SHA256^2 bounty may be diminished by the act of collecting it.'
13:54 a111 Logged on 2017-02-23 18:47 danielpbarron: the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195
13:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the important point there is : the whole fake bitcoin address (3something) is supposed to be "useful" in practice. this utility is supposed to be proven by idiotic "challenges" like this one put up by peter todd. EXCEPT the output does not actually SIGN the transaction claiming the bounty.
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13:58 asciilifeform it was a toy, and even explicitly warned 'you must mine the block yourself, or miner can simply take the prize'
13:58 mircea_popescu what they say is "we recommend you mine the block yourself", because totally, this is how it goes, instead of saying "we understand this doohickey is braindamaged beyond the conceivable and the only reason it exists is the existential void besetting our meaningless existence"
13:59 mircea_popescu it's not so much a toy as peter todd & friends are retards.
13:59 asciilifeform to revisit upstack, for whoever may have forgotten, gpg sigs ONLY contain 64bit keyid. e.g., from my vpatch sigs, 0xB98228A001ABFFC7 .
13:59 mircea_popescu or to quote from the cesspool, "This is both incredibly fascinating, and a beautiful show of the kinds of innovation the Bitcoin system supports!"
14:00 asciilifeform at quite reasonable expense, enemy can produce a key that sha-fp's to B98228A001ABFFC7, and for which he has the priv p,q.
14:00 asciilifeform ditto mircea_popescu's, and everybody else.
14:01 mircea_popescu yeah, the whole rsa signature thing needs an overhaul.
14:01 asciilifeform it is not particularly difficult for tmsr folk to avoid situation where this boojum matters. however it is quite ~impossible~ for heathens to avoid.
14:02 asciilifeform signatures from, e.g., linus, are automatically in question.
14:02 mircea_popescu amusingly enough challenge is actually stronger.
14:02 asciilifeform and anyone else with whom you (for particular values of 'you') have not exchanged, out of band, modulus.
14:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1523633 << see also.
14:03 a111 Logged on 2016-08-18 00:38 asciilifeform: mod6: all pgptrons live and die by sha1.
14:05 asciilifeform and also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483829 thread.
14:05 a111 Logged on 2016-06-17 02:16 asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ?
14:08 mircea_popescu amusingly enough -- it is currently the case that deedbot's deeds list integrity is currently protected by republican design rather than by usg's "cryptographic standards".
14:08 asciilifeform mechanical, bitwise integrity -- yes
14:08 mircea_popescu this is where you link any imbecile of the geoffrey supran variety who dares blather about how "do not homebrew crypto"
14:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i just mean the reason it can't get crapflooded with fake deeds.
14:08 mircea_popescu "gotta be voiced"
14:09 asciilifeform not without a broad daylight fleanode break.
14:09 mircea_popescu even then. "you weren't voiced on my machine, whence did this deed come from"
14:11 asciilifeform the real headache is that it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. a year ago i estimated that this costs 100k usd. today -- probably a few thou.
14:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform o hey, consider this situation : 1. i know your fp, so i make fake key for that fp. 2. i know trinque 's fp, so i make fake key for that fp too. 3. i know you keep a signed copy of trinque's key on your keyring ; so : 4. i proceed to sign trinque's fake key with your fake key and 5. pretend to be a noob and give you my gpg pubkey.
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14:12 mircea_popescu if you --import it gpg will probably update trinque's key under your signature won't it.
14:12 asciilifeform it will, guaranteed.
14:13 asciilifeform the keyring thing is a work of evil.
14:13 mircea_popescu well ahem.
14:14 ben_vulpes oh fuckin gross
14:14 mircea_popescu apparently replacing gpg just became top priority.
14:15 asciilifeform became a serious itch for asciilifeform when he watched a sha1 collision get crapped out on demand, for minor project, at butugychag 1+ yr ago
14:16 mircea_popescu we started moving away from sha-1 to sha-512 digests for clearsigned messages what, coupla years back ?
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes but this does 0 for gpg fp.
14:16 asciilifeform they are hard-wired to sha.
14:16 mircea_popescu yeah.
14:17 asciilifeform regardless of knob settings. it is required by the rfc, and is in common among all known pgptrons.
14:17 mircea_popescu i'm not disputing that part ; just saying that it's not exactly a surprise.
14:17 asciilifeform should not have been a surprise, to anyone. like the old example of derelict bridge falling down. 'not an if, but a when'
14:18 mircea_popescu anyway. to get back to the point of interest : it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. ; but it is not possible to hide the fact that this was a fake from the owner of the privkey and anyone who has his pubkey.
14:19 asciilifeform trivially correct.
14:20 mircea_popescu right.
14:20 asciilifeform will add also that from the pov of a third party unliked to wot of (owner) or (usurper), there are now ~two~ 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452 people.
14:20 mircea_popescu now, this said, we still should prolly replace gpg.
14:23 mircea_popescu (and, of course, we have, courtesy of you know, that "unreasonable expenditure that will spell the ruin of s.nsa and with it of the entire republic!!11" a complete list of all rsa moduli.)
14:27 asciilifeform we also have a few other things, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581867 .
14:27 a111 Logged on 2016-12-11 23:00 asciilifeform: i was not going to expand on the 'p' thread until the proggy is done, but this is probably a good time to say 1 more
14:28 mircea_popescu how's that coming along ?
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14:29 asciilifeform ~done. i was aiming to SPARKify it before release...
14:29 mircea_popescu i think it's a good time to release (provided it doesn't turn into a wires thing eh!), we can have it on qntra and "republic same day response" etc.
14:29 asciilifeform this is one of those 'sapper -- errs once' affairs.
14:29 asciilifeform safety-critical code.
14:30 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'SPARKify'? reduce existing code to fit into SPARK subset of ada?
14:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is more than simply 'reduce', but yes
14:30 ben_vulpes aye, certainly.
14:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581753 << prev thread re subj
14:35 a111 Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
14:44 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/23/joseph-and-the-amazing-technicolor-dreamcoat/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
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15:10 deedbot http://thestringpuller.com/2017/02/simple-blender-2-66-cal3d/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Simple Blender 2.66 -> Cal3d
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17:03 ben_vulpes spinmeisters in full effect: https://theconversation.com/red-state-rural-america-is-acting-on-climate-change-without-calling-it-climate-change-69866
17:16 asciilifeform 'YouTube cuts popular live stream of giraffe about to give birth for 'nudity and sexual content''
17:19 trinque !~ticker --market all
17:19 jhvh1 trinque: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1178.98, vol: 10955.20557454 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1136.159, vol: 6445.08664 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1181.4, vol: 21505.71700862 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1119.21264, vol: 5499.66000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1179.0, vol: 2546.68111312 | Volume-weighted last average: 1167.21082463
17:20 trinque it has now been zero minutes since the last all time low for USD
17:21 asciilifeform elsewhere, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616821 >> http://archive.is/QoAki << 'Google’s Jigsaw unit, as part of a larger effort to battle online trolling, said earlier today that it was releasing a new tool called Perspective, software that uses machine learning to detect harassment and abuse online.'
17:21 a111 Logged on 2017-02-22 07:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.
17:22 asciilifeform 'The software works by determining the “toxicity” of online comments, a scale that has been established by mining millions of comments from the web and then presenting them to panels of 10 people (humans!) at a clip to get their feedback. '
17:23 asciilifeform 'Update February 23rd, 1:45PM ET: Twitter user Ramsey Nasser points out that the algorithm has consistently high toxicity for Arabic, no matter the content.'
17:23 asciilifeform gold.
17:25 asciilifeform trinque: what about http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-04#405828 ?
17:25 a111 Logged on 2013-12-04 18:23 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 1210.0, vol: 15442.99754919 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 12582.57372365 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1059.9, vol: 11463.51851 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 2621.40917063 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 975.55, vol: 94.01568371 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1126.0836, vol: 49103.04600000 | Volume-weighted last average: 1135.7963542
17:26 asciilifeform or what, we aren't counting mtgox ? then why count the other leveraged and otherwise paper-addled exchanges.
17:27 trinque you're ruining perfectly good gloating, you know
17:28 asciilifeform lel
17:42 asciilifeform unrelatedly, system of two 'wired' trb nodes appears to have marked resistance to 'blackhole'.
17:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform mtgox went to 1 cent, not high.
17:56 asciilifeform first it went to 1300s.
17:56 mircea_popescu a did it ?
17:58 asciilifeform iirc?
18:02 mircea_popescu anyway, re "online trolling", it's by now a rather transparent euphemism for "racist homophobic terrorism" aka "russia influencing elections" aka pantsuit clown getting raped by reality.
18:05 mircea_popescu o hey check it out -- latest trilema article not actually indexed by google.
18:06 mircea_popescu this could be because "rape" (this happened before, a few trilema articles that google unhappened) ; or maybe triloxic content finally got its comeuppance.
18:11 asciilifeform meanwhile, in the monkey cage, https://archive.is/TlYxN
18:13 mircea_popescu heh.
18:13 mircea_popescu turns out "the biftinex hack" was ~= same as "the mtgox blabla", ie usg ran off with the coins ?
18:15 mircea_popescu (but nice trick with the archive there, got me to check out reddit and it wasn't even talking about me!)
18:16 asciilifeform lul
18:28 asciilifeform in other noose! zoolag and dulap are now wire-via-ssh-tunneled together.
18:28 asciilifeform worx great.
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18:52 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
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18:52 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , shinohai , et al :
18:52 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html
18:52 asciilifeform [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSH Tunnels.
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18:53 asciilifeform and holy mother of fuck, jurov , why does your thing mangle '@' into 'at'
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18:53 mircea_popescu guess.
18:53 asciilifeform guessed.
18:54 asciilifeform anyway this is up an' running.
18:58 asciilifeform in other lulz, mircea_popescu , https://archive.is/HIr9r << i think we have the answer to 'why did asciilifeform get 64kb of crapolade in the guise of ZIPs from archive.is in july of '16 ? '
18:58 asciilifeform 'cloudbleed'
18:58 asciilifeform 'On February 17th 2017, I was working on a corpus distillation project, when I encountered some data that didn't match what I had been expecting. It's not unusual to find garbage, corrupt data, mislabeled data or just crazy non-conforming data...but the format of the data this time was confusing enough that I spent some time trying to debug what had gone wrong, wondering if it was a bug in my code. In fact, the data was bizarre enoug
18:58 asciilifeform h that some colleagues around the Project Zero office even got intrigued. It became clear after a while we were looking at chunks of uninitialized memory interspersed with valid data. ...'
19:00 asciilifeform ( and yes, archive.is uses shitflare , continuously )
19:00 asciilifeform 'I don't know if this issue was noticed and exploited, but I'm sure other crawlers have collected data and that users have saved or cached content and don't realize what they have, etc. We've discovered (and purged) cached pages that contain private messages from well-known services, PII from major sites that use cloudflare, and even plaintext API requests from a popular password manager that were sent over https (!!).'
19:03 asciilifeform usg.google, unsurprisingly, has top priority of... purging 13333337 s33333kr1tz from its public caches.
19:03 asciilifeform because this unrapes, apparently, someone.
19:04 asciilifeform https://archive.is/X00QT << from the horse's mouth.
19:04 asciilifeform 'The underlying bug occurs because of a pointer error.'
19:05 asciilifeform pretty lulzy that they had the 'how we FOUND our BUG!' document hot an'ready to broadcast.
19:08 asciilifeform ok this is delicious, but i must briefly revisit upstack: mircea_popescu , mod6 , or anyone else in my l1 who wants to ssh+wire-peer with dulap: please gpggram a ssh rsa pubkey to me.
19:09 mircea_popescu heh
19:11 mircea_popescu so basically cloudflare is a piece of shit. whoa.
19:21 deedbot http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/24/basic-toolchain-for-blender-cal3d-crystal-space/ << Ossasepia - Basic toolchain for Blender – Cal3d – Crystal Space
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19:46 mircea_popescu meanwhile in termic engines, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b690d4d66a18d5f44de2edf2d68bb0d4/tumblr_o8jfq0HgWU1ulgtj6o1_500.gif
19:58 asciilifeform l0l!!
19:58 asciilifeform 'opposed piston engine'
20:04 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this is quite neat
20:04 ben_vulpes how many hours does it take to pay your rent?
20:05 asciilifeform hm
20:05 asciilifeform i'm usually sold by the pound...
20:05 mircea_popescu i thought you were sold by the year+
20:06 asciilifeform typically
20:06 ben_vulpes http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0ai6YR1E1re5z1ko1_1280.png
20:06 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you're not going to get a straight answer.
20:07 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: not looking for an answer, it's a compliment on the his prolific output
20:07 mircea_popescu scary
20:10 asciilifeform dulap down for next 3 minutes, folx
20:10 asciilifeform (only node, rather, on dulap)
20:10 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you got reversin' that needs doing, or wat
20:11 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaand we're back.
20:11 asciilifeform no moar ping-reject.
20:12 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaaand wire-reconnector worx!
20:13 asciilifeform ( what this looks like : you get some, e.g., 'WARNING: disconnecting wire 127.0.0.1:9000 ! (will retry...)' in the debug log. until the wire peer is happy to eat again . )
20:14 asciilifeform lulzily we're banning ~100% of prb nao because they ~insist~ on shitting out 'alert' packets
20:14 asciilifeform (mine, and any other malleus-enabled nodez, will ban.)
20:27 asciilifeform 22 peers.
20:29 veen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611108 << soliciting further input on this question
20:29 a111 Logged on 2017-02-03 15:53 asciilifeform: not a difficult patch, but remains to ask, for which kernel.
20:29 asciilifeform what would you like to know, veen ?
20:31 veen consider a kernel patch to bypass /dev/*random insanity with say "just open and read such-and-such file which i trust has acceptably random bytes in it"
20:31 asciilifeform veen: file ? you gonna store the position somewhere ?
20:31 veen linux, or BSD?
20:32 veen by way of example, imagine /dev/random is just an alias for e.g. /dev/fuckgoats
20:33 asciilifeform let's suppose you trip over the cable. for sake of argument -- what then
20:33 veen it blocks
20:33 asciilifeform or suppose you have -- as i recommend - three FUCKGOATSen.
20:34 veen you would
20:34 veen up to your fuckgoats hardward or driver, i suppose
20:34 asciilifeform there's no driver, veen , it's a tty
20:34 veen maybe i'm coming at this in completely the wrong way
20:34 asciilifeform it plugs in through a ttl to usbuart plug
20:34 veen sure sure, wavehands, whatever
20:35 veen put it this way, i couldn't figure out how to generate a gpg keypair with fuckgoats, because gpg reads /dev/random, and i couldn't work out how to get fuckgoats (or any other file-like) shimmed in there
20:35 asciilifeform my point is, sane proggy oughta know how to eat multiple /dev/ttyUSB0, /dev/ttyUSB1, ... however many, correctly.
20:35 asciilifeform and there is no reason for it to happen in the kernel .
20:37 asciilifeform i would say 'replace /dev/random in gpg source with /dev/fg and build' but the rng in gpg is monumentally retarded and i disrecommend its use entirely
20:37 veen be that as it may, we don't inhabit a world of sane programs
20:38 asciilifeform veen: have patience, i have only 2 hands
20:38 veen great, but gpg is only one of n programs on my system that need good random numbers, and i don't care to recompile them all
20:38 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617259 << thread today )
20:38 a111 Logged on 2017-02-23 19:28 mircea_popescu: how's that coming along ?
20:39 asciilifeform veen: rng in gpg has serious problems , on top of using /dev/random
20:40 veen oh it runs output of /dev/random through it's own ('cs')prng?
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20:40 asciilifeform see also http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg .
20:40 asciilifeform aha.
20:43 veen fun
20:44 trinque just to entertain the thing, since dev's this fancy udev thing now, could have some udev rule to delete /dev/random and plop another device node in its place, via symlink or w/e
20:44 asciilifeform theoretically.
20:44 asciilifeform there are some nuances though.
20:44 asciilifeform you MUST kill flow control
20:45 asciilifeform or the tty will LOSE CONTROL CHARS !!!!
20:45 asciilifeform i.e. NOT emit flat spectrum of octets 0x00 - 0xFF !!!!!!
20:45 asciilifeform because unix is retarded
20:45 asciilifeform and this exists.
20:45 asciilifeform the requisite necks for it to unexist, have not yet been broken.
20:46 asciilifeform you also MUST have some means for not attempting to cryptoate if the device for whatever reason is not functioning.
20:46 asciilifeform (there is a red alarm lamp on the pcb to alert in case of analogue rng failure, but it is theoretically possible for the circuit to break outside of FUCKGOATS proper)
20:48 veen wait, what in the loop cares about control chars?
20:49 asciilifeform veen: linux, by default. because it was dropped as a baby.
20:49 asciilifeform loses, e.g., 0x03.
20:50 veen i'm imagining arch like: device -> udev fuckery -> prog reading /dev/random
20:50 veen where's the problem?
20:51 veen unless i'm grossly misunderstanding the sematics, reading /dev/random for infinity should produce dat sweet flat spectrum, right?
20:57 asciilifeform stty -ixon
20:57 asciilifeform iirc.
20:57 asciilifeform ^ cure
20:58 asciilifeform rather, stty -ixon /dev/yourfg
20:58 veen specific to tty devices no?
20:58 asciilifeform well yes.
20:59 asciilifeform on a unixline, FUCKGOATS shows up as a modem.
20:59 asciilifeform this is deliberate, the os has no business knowing what it is.
20:59 asciilifeform or how many you have.
20:59 asciilifeform !#s specificity
20:59 a111 60 results for "specificity", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=specificity
21:01 veen asciilifeform: what are known-good, currently-doable usecases for FUCKGOATS
21:02 asciilifeform veen: there's the one you described (conventional gpg with string '/dev/random' ripped out and replaced with the correct) ;
21:02 asciilifeform there are also others ( e.g., generating onetimepads; or in general input for any proggy that sanely eats input )
21:03 asciilifeform there is (not yet released) 'p', mentioned in earlier thread today, which will eat from 1 or more FGs
21:03 asciilifeform there is also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762
21:04 asciilifeform which behaves sanely, eats from wherever you want
21:04 asciilifeform you can also feed, e.g., monte carlo algos, from it
21:04 veen my reasoning is that if the semantics of /dev/random is that, taken over infinity, it emits flat spectrum of octects, and lots of binaries in the wild have that assumption baked it, why not coax kernel into allowing FUCKGOATS to fulfill the contract of /dev/random directly?
21:05 asciilifeform veen: specificity-of-diddling. by using one centralized entropy pool that the os knows about, you make enemy's work slightly easier.
21:05 asciilifeform which is why /dev/random was a terrifyingly bad idea from day 1./
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21:08 veen well, a paternalistic idea if nothing else
21:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617373 << the importance of this can't be understated. if f(x) = 4 it matters VERY little what 'rng" you feed f.
21:09 a111 Logged on 2017-02-24 01:40 veen: oh it runs output of /dev/random through it's own ('cs')prng?
21:09 veen not sure that recompiling gpg to read from /dev/fg really frustrates enemy all that much
21:09 mircea_popescu and gpg is not very far off this ; neither are ALL usg produced programs you are running.
21:09 mircea_popescu so, you may not ~care~ to compile them all ; but whether you are interested in war or not -- war is interested in you.
21:09 veen importance of what specifically?
21:11 veen seems gpg tried to sovereignty-wash a source of entropy and here it is bearing your criticism anyway
21:11 veen how is /dev/fg not centralized entropy pool?
21:11 asciilifeform veen: i, for instance, am sitting in front of a box with 11 hardware ttys
21:11 mircea_popescu review the thread re centralization recently. it's centralized at the sane place.
21:11 asciilifeform which ones are FGs
21:12 asciilifeform takes actual work to determine
21:12 asciilifeform and the work is 100% unique to the setup, which is not known in advance to anyone
21:12 asciilifeform as opposed to 'just break /dev/random'
21:14 veen so you've got /dev/fg0 thru /dev/fg9
21:14 asciilifeform nope
21:14 asciilifeform i've got /dev/tty.....
21:15 asciilifeform without seeing the rack, you don't know which ones -- if any -- are fg; and which one is my air conditioner; etc
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21:15 veen security through obscurity eh?
21:15 mircea_popescu this concept gets abused a lot.
21:15 asciilifeform veen: security through not conveniently labeling 'here i keep the crown jewels' in advance. it multiplies.
21:16 veen aye
21:16 mircea_popescu would you propose the usg "invisible fighter" program is "security through obscurity" ? because... it is.
21:16 asciilifeform every bit in a private key is an 'obscurity' item.
21:16 mircea_popescu cryptographical security is one thing ; operations security is another.
21:17 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: looks like we have another '20 minute block'
21:17 mircea_popescu because cryptography deals with absrtacts only, the kerckhoffs standard makes sense. but whenever items with an associated mass are involved, things change.
21:17 veen to explain my reasoning by way of donning my engineering hat, i saw an existing contract of the form "noise comes out here" and a deficit default implementation, and proposed a better impl
21:18 mircea_popescu it's not clear how your proposal was an implementation, or better. delve please.
21:18 veen but it sounds like the sentitment here is using a well-known noise fountain is a vulnerable one
21:18 veen proposal != implementation, obviously
21:19 mircea_popescu actually, the sentiment here is that ~all usg code is just reused scraps of the same stale old crap. this sentiment is fed by you know, us having cut up the usg toys numerous times and having run into the same bits.
21:19 veen proposal is replace output of linux csprng-crazy that underlies /dev/random with the output of FUCKGOATS
21:20 mircea_popescu that sameness allows the enemy some levers it needn't have, first of all in its own safety's sake.
21:20 mircea_popescu veen ok. how is it better ?
21:21 veen surely we all agree that linux-csprng < FUCKGOATS
21:21 mircea_popescu yes. but if you then turn around and feed that into userland shitprng, you've not impoved anything.
21:21 veen what is at issue at this point is use of /dev/random at all, regardless of how it is implemented
21:22 mircea_popescu well the only argument pro i'm aware of is "it's there already"
21:22 veen and widely depended upon
21:23 asciilifeform iirc argument was ' i dun wanna recompile gpg '
21:23 mircea_popescu so it may make sense as a convenience thing to symlink it to your fuckgoats tty. but don't expect you've now thereby fixed the system
21:23 veen userland shitprng is a wrinkle indeed, one i wasn't aware of until this thread
21:23 mircea_popescu asciilifeform stronger argument than it seems. leaving aside the static issue, it's not even a given gpg compiles at all.
21:24 veen by that token s/\/dev\/random/\/dev\/fg/g again gpg src doesn't help us either
21:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we had half a dozen people here repeatedly build gpg-1.4.10 back in august, recall
21:24 mircea_popescu lol he escaped the slashes, isn't he adorable :D
21:24 asciilifeform during the great wild goose chase.
21:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform on his system ?
21:24 asciilifeform on various junk
21:24 mircea_popescu yes but.
21:24 mircea_popescu listen to the words of he who suffers this weekly with eulora.
21:25 veen sounds like solution for gpg is rip out `char shitprng();` implementation and replace it with one that calls a trusted noise source
21:26 mircea_popescu pretty much.
21:26 mircea_popescu the only thing is that gpg is already obsoleted becauyse of its inane fingerprinting scheme
21:26 mircea_popescu so it's getting replaced altogether.
21:26 veen is this new as of the SHA1 nooze yesterday?
21:26 mircea_popescu yeah, see teh log.
21:27 veen oh i saw it
21:27 mircea_popescu a ok. that.
21:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: holy fuck, 454403 14 minutes (and counting) on dulap; verified on zoolag in 15 seconds
21:28 mircea_popescu myeah
21:29 veen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611107 << beside, mircea_popescu said it first
21:29 a111 Logged on 2017-02-03 15:52 mircea_popescu: we should prolly publish a kernel patch
21:30 asciilifeform veen: it isn't that it is a catastrophically bad idea, compared to what is currently on your box -- rather, it is an example of something you do not want to cement in long-term use
21:30 mircea_popescu it's not a bad idea at all ; it's just not a (complete) solution.
21:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ONLY NOW verified 454403!
21:30 asciilifeform ^brain-melting
21:31 mircea_popescu it's worth keeping a farm of vartious nodes just to watcdh them struggle with the chain. pretty interersting data.
21:31 asciilifeform i have this duo, scrolling on opposite lcds
21:32 asciilifeform (via http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617304 )
21:32 a111 Logged on 2017-02-23 23:52 asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSH Tunnels.
21:32 veen i suspect we'll never reconcile the "must build snow-flake" paranoia with drive to make architecture which can be reasoned about
21:32 mircea_popescu the what now ?
21:32 asciilifeform veen: snow flake ?
21:33 veen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617433
21:33 a111 Logged on 2017-02-24 02:15 asciilifeform: without seeing the rack, you don't know which ones -- if any -- are fg; and which one is my air conditioner; etc
21:34 mircea_popescu i confess i have nfi what you're talking about.
21:35 veen forget it, it's a low value point i've already attempted to make
21:36 asciilifeform veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
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21:37 mircea_popescu what i'm more interested in is this apparent limit on "what can be thought about" based on some sort of i'm not even sure what. is it the case that i can't think about women now ?
21:37 asciilifeform the emperor is the earliest, known to me, inventor of 'specificity of diddling' lemma. see logs, very informative.
21:38 * asciilifeform bbl
21:39 veen bbl
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21:58 * asciilifeform back...
22:01 asciilifeform also http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html has typo! and nobody noticed!!1 chown oughta be, of course, chmod.
22:02 mircea_popescu !negrate asciilifeform typos.
22:03 asciilifeform aha, i oughta not've used my anal handz!!1!
22:03 asciilifeform oughta use front hands.
22:03 mircea_popescu aha
22:04 asciilifeform phun phakt: the 'anti-selfconnect nonce' in bitcoin, never worked
22:05 asciilifeform my wired nodes still find each other via addr.dat and open ~second~, plaintext tcp pipe...
22:05 asciilifeform and happily chat on it, like cat talks to mirror
22:06 asciilifeform this is solvable via iptables, but uggly
22:07 asciilifeform probably we want a -dontuse=an.ip.goes.here flag.
22:07 asciilifeform (to clarify: nonce prevents ~only~ self-talking, but not external dupes)
22:09 asciilifeform also mircea_popescu the 'node as paid service' thing now can actually exist.
22:09 asciilifeform in principle.
22:09 asciilifeform turns out, i just built it.
22:10 asciilifeform (any takers..?)
22:10 mircea_popescu rent out ssh pipes ?
22:10 asciilifeform aha
22:10 mircea_popescu yeah not bad.
22:12 asciilifeform ultimately i'ma tear down the tunneltron and replace with 'g'. but same idea, topologically.
22:12 asciilifeform unbitflippable direct pipe to large trb node.
22:14 asciilifeform lulzily enough, back in.. 2013..? mircea_popescu described how Serious Folx, incl. miners, already do this.
22:15 mircea_popescu why's that lulzy
22:15 asciilifeform because only now exists in a public proggy.
22:17 asciilifeform can't help but wonder how much, or little, theirs resembles mine. just as brits wondered how much nazi 'freya' radar, resembled brit radar
22:18 asciilifeform (spoiler: was a mega-downer)
22:19 asciilifeform iirc mpb also had something equiv. to 'wire'.
22:21 mircea_popescu yes ; but doesn't use sshtunnel. more vpn-ish sort of architecture.
22:21 asciilifeform wire is agnostic of tunnelator.
22:21 asciilifeform it was made for 'g', the ssh thing is temporary.
22:21 mircea_popescu yeah.
22:22 asciilifeform the essential thing is nondisconnectable nodes.
22:23 asciilifeform (stock trb will happily drop ~anyone~ on the floor, for dozen different reasons, incl. 'we used him for too long')
22:26 asciilifeform https://archive.is/HBLyJ << vx, claimed. was my suspicion also. chick prolly fed , e.g., pralidoxime, ahead of doing the deed.
22:27 asciilifeform ( or butyrylcholinesterase, or one of the other lulzies asciilifeform worked on when slaving for usg )
22:27 mircea_popescu i dunno, nerve agents are usually irritant.
22:27 asciilifeform nope, not vx
22:27 asciilifeform it is a liquid, similar to motor oil, at room temp
22:29 mod6 <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSHITunnels. << cool! thanks alf.
22:29 mircea_popescu i suppose.
22:29 asciilifeform yw mod6
22:36 asciilifeform btw i find it strange that the local orc docs did not notice classical picture of organophosphate poison
22:36 asciilifeform (pupils the size of pinholes, etc)
22:37 mircea_popescu i dunno that guy who got splashed vx would go around complaining that hey, i got splashed ten minutes ago.
22:37 asciilifeform in asia it is common suicide method (not, granted, with vx! but with weaker commercial pesticides)
22:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he would, if it were dilute / in dmso.
22:37 mircea_popescu also, the russians would have probably ventilated their guy into ~survival.
22:38 asciilifeform complicated. pediwikia lies, paralysis of breath is not the only problem.
22:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the administration route is terrible, how the fuck do you dose the ingestion through splashing.
22:38 asciilifeform permanent cns rot.
22:39 mircea_popescu sure.
22:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's as braindamaged as northkr's linux distro. but seems like worked!
22:45 asciilifeform i could even picture that the original plan included offering d00d antidote, if he comes along..
~ 25 minutes ~
23:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6F7716FB330D2289C4738E5469CA944BBE9C65BD00099E4F03A5EAB8049E80F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...7459 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.237.120.158 (ssh-rsa key from 87.237.120.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (nb2508.virtualhosts.netbuild.net. DE)
23:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6F7716FB330D2289C4738E5469CA944BBE9C65BD00099E4F03A5EAB8049E80F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...6403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.237.120.158 (ssh-rsa key from 87.237.120.158 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (nb2508.virtualhosts.netbuild.net. DE)
23:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...0663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
23:10 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C300E7F53E93306CE671E9C2BEE2440C21AE8142202BD8E090FFA40BFF361FDA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1718...3643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.16.76.136 (ssh-rsa key from 50.16.76.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ec2-50-16-76-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com. US VA)
23:15 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << btw, thank you for this, alf. I will be embarking on my own gentoo quest soon to finally stand up a trb node
23:15 a111 Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
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23:45 asciilifeform neato, lobbes !
23:47 asciilifeform ^ only 4 aws keyz popped previously !
23:48 asciilifeform the classical diddled debian, afaik, never coexisted with aws.
23:48 asciilifeform so potentially interesting wtf.
23:50 asciilifeform !$ ssh 50.16.76.136
23:50 scriba ssh banner of 50.16.76.136 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
23:50 asciilifeform hm!
23:50 asciilifeform go figure.
23:50 mircea_popescu will install wahtever
23:51 asciilifeform http://87.237.120.158 shows a peculiar cartoon.
23:51 asciilifeform (graphical wwwtron needed, noshit)
23:51 asciilifeform 'Voigt & Schweitzer wünscht Frohe Weihnachten!'
23:52 asciilifeform !$ ssh 87.237.120.158
23:52 scriba ssh banner of 87.237.120.158 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
23:52 asciilifeform lel
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