#trilema | 2017-02-22

also he's tweeting off an ancient samsung galaxy. much to everyone's aghast anger.

00:00

waiwa what 'should' he be doing it on

00:00

cray?

00:01

well ostensibly not logging into an account that everyone now watches, because if it gets hijacked jets may get scrambled.

00:02

besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has.

00:02

the set of folx who can pump arbitrary crapola into it, is likely in the 100s, or 1000s

00:03

(starting with twatter inc, then moving on to pnoje carrier, os vendor, et al)

00:03

The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that, Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYUs Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I dont know what the intelligence community can do about that.

00:03

total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1"

00:03

"but our d&d game!!1" "yeah i know, totally!!1"

00:04

somehow being 'original classification authority' didn't help carter not be thrown out 'and don't ever come back, or ask again' from groom lake '51' .

00:05

what can i tell ye.

00:15

carter could get thrown out of anywhere

00:15

in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!"

00:15

BingoBoingo

Carter was terrified by a bunny rabbit

00:15

got in, realized he was an idiot and it was cover for ICBMs and SR-71s

00:18

petraeus for state oh that's rich

00:32

oya.

00:33

"i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another."

00:33

"you won't like that other one."

00:36

hanbot

why not Cher, at that rate

00:36

ahaha totally.

00:36

"and tonight in Department of State and Ginzu Knives, CHER AND SONY BOOOONOOO!!!!"

00:37

"he was a senvernor you know!"

00:37

or what was he, mayor of seattle ?

00:37

hanbot

seattle, schenectady, something

00:38

i thought new york chartered towns get ceos not mayors.

~ 23 minutes ~

01:01

http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-ii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part II

01:11

hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there

01:19

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BingoBoingo can't wait to hear what the SADFAG of the day is!

01:19

totally.

~ 54 minutes ~

02:14

"Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to."

02:14

http://www.kdnuggets.com/2015/07/deep-learning-adversarial-examples-misconceptions.html

02:15

yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work.

02:16

to use it against other 'ai'?

02:17

they need it, the wunderwaffen response to the http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ problem ; the republic does not, http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ etc.

02:17

in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised"

02:17

this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint.

02:18

how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior.

02:20

other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again.

02:24

i don't hafta toss my sims out too, do i?

02:24

i don't see why.

02:26

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ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches

02:26

anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.

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02:27

that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle.

02:27

much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day.

02:27

so they did what they could do, invest in immortality pill research.

02:28

'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'?

02:29

similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil.

02:30

ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima.

02:30

you may find a maximum, but it will be localized. this is no good.

02:30

for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice.

02:31

now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so...

02:31

aah. hey is the fed ai yet?

02:31

they try.

02:32

well... it's a alright. the i...

02:32

hue

02:33

i discern that people are really bad drivers

02:33

and bitcoin is really a terrible network

02:33

see the pattern ?

02:33

hah

02:34

yeah, meatsacks shouldn't operate their own road ice.

02:34

MOST meatsacks shouldn't do anything.

02:34

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ben_vulpes off

02:34

mhm "even google ai is better at driving than most people"

02:34

later

~ 6 hours 25 minutes ~

09:00

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616687 <<< Just finished 2 builds, running one now asciilifeform

09:00

Logged on 2017-02-22 04:00 mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch]

~ 59 minutes ~

09:59

in other noose, the goodbye_pingers experiment is not a mega-success, dulap is 30+ blox behind

09:59

considering that it cuts off stock trb -- it is surprising that it was at any point caught up.

10:00

i'ma give it another day and then roll back.

10:00

but meanwhile, in comedic theatre, https://archive.is/NvRz0 >> 'This is an announcement about CVE-2017-6074 [1] which is a double-free vulnerability I found in the Linux kernel. It can be exploited to gain kernel code execution from an unprivileged processes.'

10:01

'The oldest version that was checked is 2.6.18 (Sep 2006), which is vulnerable. However, the bug was introduced before that, probably in the first release with DCCP support (2.6.14, Oct 2005). The kernel needs to be built with CONFIG_IP_DCCP for the vulnerability to be present. A lot of modern distributions enable this option by default.'

10:02

$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep DCCP

10:02

# CONFIG_IP_DCCP is not set

10:02

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asciilifeform apparently not 'modern'

~ 47 minutes ~

10:50

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1398...1177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT)

10:50

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30AA4DAEC55910C94B5E32B7B847E3D84DA19A0160ACB16424A6913156B5CD4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...8749 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.244.251.98 (ssh-rsa key from 77.244.251.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip077244251098.rev.nessus.at. AT)

10:55

https://www.nessus.at << lel, not the famous nessus.

10:56

but some derpatron, 'NESSUS GmbH.'

10:58

in other lulz, 'IN THE PURSUIT OF UNTHINK In order to let our collective curiosities be the ultimate guide in our journey to pursue the meaningful opportunities of tomorrow, we are always looking to assemble a talent pool, that is not just content with thinking differently, but thinks a whole lot differently. We like to call this phenomenon 'unthink' and Gaditek is 'where unthink is'.' ( http://www.gaditek.com -- runs a prb node. )

10:58

parody horizon.

10:58

jurov

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603790 "Assignee: ada@gentoo.org → maintainer-needed@gentoo.org"

10:59

jurov

no adaists anymore in gentoo

11:00

jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-17#1022777

11:00

Logged on 2015-02-17 23:08 asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild

11:00

jurov: i blew ~month on this horror.

11:00

jurov

ow

11:00

for completeness i will also point out that adacore's tarball will, with some handholding, build.

11:01

problem is: you need a working existing ada !

11:01

to build any gnat.

11:01

catch22.

11:01

(same problem as gcc, but difference is, gcc will -- theoretically -- build on certain other compilers, though i have nfi when anyone last attempted this. but there are not and never were any open alternatives to gnat.)

11:02

there is a dark heathen world of proprietary ada compilers, mostly for winblowz, but they are so rare, you will find them on no warez, anywhere.

11:06

http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-16#1020624 << see also thread

11:06

Logged on 2015-02-16 06:17 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?

11:17

http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it << thread was memorialized, apparently, on mircea_popescu's www

11:21

in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jJ7iS/?raw=true << on a traditional (zoolag) trb node. i never once saw these in past log readings, and now they are quite common.

11:21

e.g., 'ProcessMessage(inv, 37 bytes) : CHECKSUM ERROR nChecksum=812df086 hdr.nChecksum=e2d894ca'

11:22

either peculiarly broken clients have proliferated, or somebody's flipping bits on the wire...

~ 2 hours ~

13:22

!~later tell ben_vulpes the alert messages said 'URGENT: Alert key compromised, upgrade required.' iirc this was part of prb's scheduled retirement of the alert crapola.

13:22

jhvh1

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

~ 37 minutes ~

13:59

ty asciilifeform

~ 32 minutes ~

14:32

and in other lulz, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a42985808d79ae56347dae7105d9fab4/tumblr_olr2iiYWGU1u7ekixo1_1280.jpg

14:36

colour me thick -- what is happening in this photo ..?

14:37

a man with a functionally inadequate reproductive organ has adorned his squalid abode with what purports to be cocaine.

14:38

doesn't cocaine ~shrink~ cocks ..?

14:38

yes.

14:38

seems like somebody flipped a sign bit somewhere.

14:38

that's the source of humour : that he's a walking stereotype and apparently unaware.

14:38

drug abuse promotes poor hygiene, cocaine shrinks cocks, you name it.

14:40

and here's something for bb http://68.media.tumblr.com/81e74c612c12391f05e76d733cbcf93f/tumblr_olmr0shnnR1u7ekixo1_1280.jpg

14:40

or i guess shinohai

14:41

Creamed filled yet

14:42

"what's the ultimate in orgasms ?" "to come powder. out your ass."

14:43

Googling "Powder orgasms" returns: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph56d5984327ba3

14:43

sounds bout right.

14:48

but why

14:49

logic being, I guess, if I can't smell the fart AT LEAST I CAN SEE IT

14:49

people are strange

14:50

to continue our foray into cheap whoredom, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e348df8f30923111808ad8bb48d2b16f/tumblr_o7hlmyLdGv1tj8lt3o1_1280.jpg

~ 18 minutes ~

15:09

https://archive.is/iOsua << in other lulz. Ur-fearing bitcoin, old lizard starts push of chumps into ye olde paperizable gold.

15:12

the fourth marx brother!

15:25

in other noose, dulap is caught up.

15:25

the ping thing did some ill, and an unknown, possibly null, amount of good.

15:26

currently 9 peers.

15:27

4 blocks in the past EIGHTY MINUTES.

15:27

and some weird behaviours in the mempool.

15:32

and in today's dose of monster wtf : "<DicePower> So like, the 0.1.2b .tar.gz contains multiple files with the same name but of different case, i.e., EuloraV0.1.2\art\Graveyard~ and EuloraV0.1.2\art\GRAVEYARD~ which Windows wants to fix by overwriting one when the .tar is unzipped. What is the proper course of action to avoid later linking errors, etc.?"

15:32

dude, really ?

15:38

https://archive.is/x57D1 << "NASA…has discovered a new solar system [with] three [planets] that sit squarely in the so-called ‘habitable zone,’ meaning that there is the potential for liquid water: the key for life on another planet."

15:39

^^ life’s hard dep on liquid water, choice fallacy of modern astronomy.

15:39

isn';t it ?

15:40

as long as you define life to mean life like we have on earth

15:41

well it's kind-of the interest no ? "can trump build hotel resort"

15:42

the search for life that's more or less pretty much just like us, so far away as to provide a nice escape out of having to do anything other than write grants

15:42

i perceive the interest to be more zoological

15:43

rule out metabolic pathways that spontaneously arose in oceans of methane and the search is ~guaranteed to come up dry

15:43

even entertaining the zoological angle. what alternative pump do you envisage ?

15:44

understand that water is important because it does (at least) two pumps simultaneously. firstly the heat pump, secondly the synthesis pump. it is : a) an oxide (this means it doesn't burn -- not just "not in oxygen" but not in general, few elements are more reacrtive to substitute) which b) has an immense caloric capacity and also c) is a very powerful universal solvent.

15:45

this makes it a major schelling point for lifebuilding. do you know of an alternative material or combination that could serve ?

15:45

mircea_popescu: say, CCl4

15:46

low cc.

15:46

i'm no expert in the field of biochemistry, but i'm aware models have been proposed

15:46

your planet will either need large oceans of something else (what ? water ? then water-life will take over) or else will experience large temperature swings

15:46

bit circular, neh. lower-cc-than-water . could still suffice.

15:47

iirc it was 146 to water's 4k

15:47

hypothetically ammonia and various hydrocarbons could do the trick

15:47

these more-than-order-of-magnitude differentials matter in engineering.\

15:48

mircea_popescu: 'cc'?

15:48

veen if you bother to do the math you'll see there's actually pretty good reason to suspect life ~= water within three or so sigmas.

15:48

caloric capacity

15:48

yeah.

15:48

aka heat required to raise a gram of the material 1c

15:49

ah specific heat

15:49

"pour ammonia on it" won't work nearly as well when your alt-lifeforms manage to start a kitchen fire out of icecubes and alt-wood shavings.

15:54

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veen wonders if specific heat varies with pressure

15:54

does not.

15:54

it is a proxy of molecular interaction strength.

15:55

unless your idea of pressure is "degenerate matter", it dun matter.

15:56

certainly varies with phase!

15:56

consider water.

~ 31 minutes ~

16:28

yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.

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16:41

meanwhile in other fluids, https://68.media.tumblr.com/74197ec1120e912f88282821bd2b55cd/tumblr_oj5xe2Vf2C1vaj9mco1_1280.jpg

16:47

Now that is non-Newtonian fluid I can get behind.

16:48

lel

~ 20 minutes ~

17:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616940 << mircea_popescu doesn't, apparently, sweat..!

17:09

Logged on 2017-02-22 21:28 mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.

17:18

i don't follow ?

17:18

the other phase

17:18

yes, so there's a latent phasechange heat of what, 17k or so, roughly 4 degree's worth.

17:18

considering you're about 50kgs of water and 50grams of sweat, i hardly see the difference.

17:19

point being, a gas phase lifeform is rather unlikely, and a solid phase one'd be utterly slow.

17:19

but in any case the pressurizing of a gas won't yield significant caloric capacity to matter in this discussion.

17:20

for the sake of properly massaging subj -- why not gas phase ?

17:20

same reason no cold phusion

17:20

disperses

17:21

hot, then, fusion, for this example. but sure.

17:30

and speaking of hot fusion, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ef5d3d3edb7caafc86edadfe0dc2c984/tumblr_ochyum94Xl1t89i36o1_1280.jpg

17:35

looks like a rerun

~ 15 minutes ~

17:51

no ?

~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~

19:12

I'd remember those tits ....

19:12

(right areola is slightly misshapen but who am I to judge

19:14

you peeps are incredibru.

19:24

I wish my peeps had been incredible enough not to fuck up that Eulora click earlier this week.

19:24

xD

19:24

too many 'tits at dinner', i guess, they all run together

19:25

mircea_popescu: so what's going to happen with tillerson?

~ 16 minutes ~

19:41

ACHTUNG, PANZERS!!

19:42

mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000250.html

19:42

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mod6 looks

19:47

ben_vulpes i dunno, what ?

19:53

http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378047 << review of logic re above

19:53

Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: presently trb does not have this sane behaviour

19:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616772 << ben_vulpes i assume mircea_popescu doesn't mean secretary of state

19:59

Logged on 2017-02-22 04:55 mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.

19:59

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shinohai likes to minagine this `wires` patch as G for trb

19:59

*imagine

19:59

shinohai: it's a prereq for using 'g' or any similar item

20:00

Also, as side note, last night's patch produced no different behaviour

20:00

it can also be used with traditional ssh tunnels; or even as-is, which will result in same situation as presently seen with 'addnode' -- but no more disconnects!

20:00

ah that';s nice.

20:01

solid improvement.

20:02

classical trb did not have a nondisconnectable marker for peers; would not connect to localhost; and deprioritized non-8333 ports to dead-last order. 'wires' fixes this.

20:03

Lots of irons in fires atm, but exciting development asciilifeform .... I will test in < 24 hrs

20:03

the one case i have not yet tested is the ~bidirectional~ wire.

20:03

i am deliberately leaving this to you lot

20:04

oh and yes, fWires flag is not currently used for anything.

20:04

( someone is certain to ask 'why' )

~ 15 minutes ~

20:20

mod6

asciilifeform: thanks for submitting.

20:20

mircea_popescu: what means "state to petraeus" then?

20:21

wires is neat asciilifeform

20:21

i shall read, think -- later.

20:21

ben_vulpes was prior to tillerson being confirmed.

20:23

hm.

20:26

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616348 << do "marriage" and "divorce" even have much of a place in the republic?

20:26

Logged on 2017-02-21 22:27 danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually

20:26

note how veen went from "my business partner" to "veen", but "my wife" is still -- mine

20:26

ben_vulpes: we briefly had a case of an interactive wife here, davout's

20:27

but currently 0

20:27

had key?

20:27

aha

20:27

migrated to #t wot?

20:27

suppose that woulda been done for her.

20:27

!!key oleanie

20:27

http://wot.deedbot.org/317342D115FA670F29ABFF3CB6C0C41B0A85AAC9.asc

20:28

!!reputation oleanie

20:28

http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nvSOG/?raw=true

20:28

hah epic

20:28

there were formerly other ratings, but evaporated

20:28

was at c2, no?

20:28

aha

20:29

smoked the smallest cigs i ever saw

20:29

like long pencil erasers.

20:29

in absence of counterclaim, is davout's wife then

20:30

a contractual relationship between republicans.

20:30

or possibly implicit!

20:30

quite implicit, the marriage was certainly not executed here.

20:30

would be interesting to see gpg wedding contracts

20:32

asciilifeform: could be contractual even if contract never executed in chan or even deeded.

20:32

ben_vulpes: only in heathendom

20:32

there is no bar to presentation of previously signed documents at a later point.

20:33

ah in that sense

20:33

given that contract is a thing only to the people in it -- sure.

20:34

there are republicans of various standing, their vassals, and everyone else.

20:35

the vassals for whom this grates, straight to gpg.

~ 1 hours 3 minutes ~

21:38

i don't get it, why can't your wife also be jane ?

~ 15 minutes ~

21:53

PeterL

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616189 << Why not just respond with "pong" like they expect?

21:53

Logged on 2017-02-21 17:43 asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist.

21:56

PeterL: what part of 'prb does not own bitcoin protocol' is hard to grasp?

21:57

to what else would you have trb 'respond as they expect', PeterL ? bloom filter? segshitness?

21:57

no pasaran.

21:58

PeterL

seems like a ping, pong is not a big change, but I guess I see your point. Is there any benefit to it, or is it strictly noise?

21:59

this is complicated point

21:59

there is some value in node discovery, but there's a major problem with the socket starvation.

22:01

PeterL: so far i've found ~0 net effect. (earlier today thought that it was a net loss, but dulap caught up and stayed caught up.)

~ 45 minutes ~

22:47

asciilifeform block verification having been your actual issue as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616446

22:47

Logged on 2017-02-21 22:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification.

22:48

mircea_popescu: block verification is ~an~ issue, world stops for 3-8 minutes when block candidate is being eaten. but is demonstrably not the cause of multi-hour blackhole.

22:50

yeah. just, back on the 21st the problem happened ot be a pile of contrived blocks s'all.

22:50

mircea_popescu: if you know moar, i'm all ears

22:51

if only. the pile of gnarl is unfuckingtraceable.

22:52