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06:24 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes, hey, can i get a shared acct for hosting minigame's files etc ?
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07:55 ckang someone did some testing of performance on the same hardware for wireguard vs openvpn on a consumer router:
07:55 ckang https://www.skadligkod.se/vpn/wireguard-speed-tests-on-asus-rt-ac86u/
07:56 ckang https://www.skadligkod.se/vpn/vpn-speedtest-asus-rt-ac86u-merlin-firmware/
07:56 ckang tl;dr - it was ~200Mbit/s faster (430 vs 240Mbit)
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11:44 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: sure thing, will set that up for you this afternoon
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13:13 * BingoBoingo just had a new experience
13:13 BingoBoingo One of the corner bums asked me not for una moneda para comer algo, but for clothing
13:21 mircea_popescu ty ben_vulpes ; ckang : prolly by tomorrow you can have it.
13:22 ckang awesome thanks
13:24 ckang btw:
13:24 ckang 1:16 PM <TerryInPortland> anyone in portland? meet me in pioneer square?
13:24 ckang 1:17 PM <TerryInPortland> laptop, cool.
13:24 ckang less than 10 mins ago
13:24 ben_vulpes ckang: where is that
13:24 ckang #templeos-irc
13:24 ckang on rizon
13:25 ben_vulpes hmk i emailed him but i'll get in there
13:25 ckang he only gets 15 mins a day of computer
13:25 ckang @ library
13:26 asciilifeform maybe d00d's good candidate for that cheapo-rockchip-lappy
13:29 mircea_popescu how'd he connect to it ?
13:29 asciilifeform lappy
13:30 mircea_popescu and magic cable ?
13:30 asciilifeform nono, recently there was a thread re actual lappy comp, with lcd etc , on same chipset
13:30 asciilifeform runs, supposedly, for whole day on 1 charge, etc
13:31 asciilifeform should, theoretically, boot that very same asciilifeform.gentoo
13:31 asciilifeform !#s c201p
13:31 a111 0 results for "c201p", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c201p
13:31 asciilifeform hm
13:31 ckang cp2102 ?
13:32 asciilifeform !#s c101pa
13:32 a111 4 results for "c101pa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c101pa
13:32 asciilifeform ^ it.
13:32 * asciilifeform not -- yet -- tried this beast.
13:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, but the internet ?
13:33 asciilifeform it has a 802.11 card
13:33 mircea_popescu dude...
13:33 asciilifeform presumably hobo can find an open router.
13:33 mircea_popescu you think ?
13:34 mircea_popescu raiding is usually done in ca r.
13:34 asciilifeform funnily enuff, i've never done it in car. in a city, can get quite acceptable result with feet.
13:34 mircea_popescu meanwhile in what readers think of log, http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-125425
13:34 asciilifeform esp. if you can get to the top floor of a tower.
13:34 ckang terry would post off somewhere with wifi before while homeless
13:34 ckang and stay there for days
13:34 mircea_popescu ckang, well then this may work.
13:35 asciilifeform i'ma defer to the experts, e.g. gabriel_laddel, re 'how to hobo'
13:35 ckang hopefully the portland bums are nicer than the SD bums and wont steal his stuff
13:35 mircea_popescu lmao.
13:36 mircea_popescu and whatelse, the portland women are proper-er than the sf women and don't want the sausage ?
13:37 ckang wishful thinking on my part i suppose ;p
13:38 ckang https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJZTn-fPu-uIA55UI47_cXg
13:38 ckang the last bits he put up before getting his phone taken
13:39 ckang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRLM73C0dg
13:40 ckang haha, pouring his own 2L in a restaurant
13:41 mircea_popescu let me say something rather... political here. so, an item caught my eye in one of the pastebins or w/e you put in : some guy saying "this bum cost me more than a gf". it entirely illuminated the problem to me : terry davis is JUST as much a perfect representative of the ustarded "brillian computer programmer" as http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ is the representative of t
13:41 mircea_popescu he ustard neet-y teenager.
13:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. he's the end stage of the life cycle.
13:42 mircea_popescu terry davis is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798356 except turned up to 11.
13:42 a111 Logged on 2018-04-13 19:58 zx2c4: wondering - how might i achieve great wealth and donations for wireguard from you/trilema?
13:42 asciilifeform helps to recall that the d00d is certifiably insane tho ( lived for yrs on a usg pension for insanity. as portrayed by TLP. wonder what happened to this -- they were abolished? i've nfi )
13:43 ckang i think all terry needs to be happy is a room, bed, internet, diet shasta, beer and cigarettes
13:44 mircea_popescu he has these things he'll do, he's decided aforehand, and nothing around matters ONE WHIT. now, will you pour bitcoin into his sand ? if you do ok, but to quote, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796685
13:44 a111 Logged on 2018-04-12 02:38 ckang: Like he will owe something
13:44 mircea_popescu ckang, no, actually, all he needs is an alternate reality where solipsism works.
13:44 ckang when he lost that is when things became a lot worse for his mental state
13:44 mircea_popescu just like everyone else on github. except more... purely so.
13:44 mircea_popescu the other terries actually aquiesce to unprincipled exceptions, which makes them precisely just as fucking insane but entirely less remarkable.
13:45 ckang did you catch the video of him talking about befriending a prostitute ?
13:45 mircea_popescu ckang, no, it's when his entirely deranged mental state became a lot more difficult to "hide", in the sense usual usg.zek "hides" his being raped daily, from himself.
13:45 mircea_popescu you can't go around pretending like he's ok. he's not ok, nor ever was, nor can ever be, but this is not so much a problem to whosoever is willing to apply formal tests only.
13:46 mircea_popescu ckang, i did not.
13:46 ckang oh no hes not okay by any means
13:46 ckang but hes not talent-less
13:46 ckang complex mix
13:46 ckang let me find it, 1 minute
13:46 asciilifeform d00d spends his days having 2way convos with his rng.
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13:46 asciilifeform ( or did, back when he had a comp... )
13:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, but i can imagine, you know, lenghty string of ustards trying to help, where their help was of the form "we'll expend x resources if you're willing to jump through y hoops" and he refusing and them going umm... why doesn't the form thing work!!1
13:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they lament exactly so, and not specifically about this d00d, but erry single schizo ( incl prolly the one i saw last night )
13:47 mircea_popescu that's the substance of "costs more than gf" -- resources, spent ; hoops, not jumped. "irrational" behaviour in the imperial contractual sense.
13:48 asciilifeform this is the likely explanation for his transition to hobo stage -- prolly he finally stopped filling out the magic form etc
13:48 mircea_popescu so amusingly enough, THEIR understanding of his mental issue is built entirely of his sanity. his problem is exactly the rest of what they identify. quite interesting marginal case in being so neatly split. usually there's some overlap.
13:51 mircea_popescu but anyway, i'm starting to understand a lot of things about why the maga can never be, consider the gritted, unyielding, sheer determination of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803769 ; and i've noticed my us-born slavegirls CAN NOT QUIT. even when hopeless, even when wasteful, their specific identifiable mark in whatever harem social games is they're the ones that can not fucking say uncle.
13:51 a111 Logged on 2018-04-20 17:44 mircea_popescu: finally coming out of the massive bender at t2, the dude WOULD STILL LIKE TO EAT. how would you eat if you were him ? would you give up, do something else with your time ? he doesn't give up. he's fucking dedicated.
13:51 mircea_popescu now, 50, 100 years ago this was a great characteristic of that maybe-one-day-a-nation conglomeration in our colonies.
13:52 mircea_popescu meanwhile it's become a fixation in the children ; now merge it with the church of self esteem and its holy youcandoanything, and the REASON http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800094 ie "smart kids" always being found with their pants down acting the "man alone" part and never learning anything from the experience is pretty fucking clear.
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13:52 a111 Logged on 2018-04-16 16:19 mircea_popescu: man acting alone is stuck with these "oh, a conclave of idiots bent on self preservation and avoiding the lowly station their idiocy warrants them holds all the power, and i'll act as man alone confronted by governemnt".
13:53 mircea_popescu larping, yes, but not merely for fun nor profit. larping as a life philosophy.
13:54 mircea_popescu now go ahead and make it great again. HOW ? they lack the instruments with which they'd agree upon a great in the first place. collection of terries, give them coffee or not give them coffee, they'll move about like an algae bloom.
13:55 mircea_popescu because it's not just terry. the entire population of github, from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dgerard to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793426 and ALL shades in between, nothing, EXACTLY NOTHING but little terries running about.
13:55 a111 Logged on 2018-04-06 00:00 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/heres-what-polyamory-is-not/ << Trilema - Here's what "polyamory" is not :
13:57 mircea_popescu now how the fuck can you build anything out of 100`000`000 elliots and 10`000`000 terries ? because that's the other fucking half of http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-967.295-971.2 "how much does the devil have to pay you to love him" problem.
13:57 mircea_popescu PAY WHO!!!???!?!?!
14:00 mircea_popescu then they go all http://trilema.com/2016/alexacom-or-the-measurable-web-delusion/ but seriously... "uniques" ? holy shit they're not uniques, they're either little terries or little elliots. seriously, they READ YOU ? how the fuck could they ~possibly~ have read you past the psychogenic noise scrolldown going on in front of their eyes non-stop ? exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-22#1804512 holy shit, "i have the attentio
14:00 a111 Logged on 2018-04-22 17:46 asciilifeform: d00d spends his days having 2way convos with his rng.
14:00 mircea_popescu n of the lava lamp".
14:01 asciilifeform iirc before davis went fullbore barmy, he was gainfully employed , in the old-fashioned sense, wrote embedded os thing for -- iirc -- 'ticketmaster' co
14:01 mircea_popescu that's my recollection.
14:02 asciilifeform whatever other mental cockroaches he could have suffered from in youth, it is all quite thoroughly masked nao by having gone properly batshit
14:02 mircea_popescu and i'm pretty sure you're exactly right, he could be into fiat again if he started filling in the magic form again.
14:03 mircea_popescu anyway, this is kinda what i was unknowingly reaching for, with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803880 : more data to extract the understanding out of what looked like a promising vein. but in the meanwhile sleep reorganized observation for me and now it's quite fucking plain.
14:03 a111 Logged on 2018-04-20 18:55 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, well, buy him a steak.
14:04 asciilifeform d00d's on his unstoppable journey into the upper tundra.
14:04 ckang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51iQOlOim4c
14:04 ckang cant find the archive.org copy, it was called FirstMate.mp4
14:04 asciilifeform prolly not long left.
14:05 ckang but an interesting story, this was shortly after he got kicked out
14:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, not even worth the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692407 bullet.
14:06 a111 Logged on 2017-08-02 01:17 mircea_popescu: phf reminds me of fucktard murdock "oh, we were first apple store"
14:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he never had anyffing at all they judged to be worth stealing.
14:07 mircea_popescu before being terminated, ALSO gainfully employed (writing nsa crapolade for "docker" -- remember, if they're not dockers, they're just pants!)
14:07 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, or rather, knew how. see, murdock has "brand" or however you call the fool's gold they're only preoccupied with. they know how to steal that.
14:08 asciilifeform a certified nutter is one of the 'safest' things to be, from this pov
14:08 mircea_popescu whereas davis had less useful things -- they work.
14:08 asciilifeform aha.
14:08 mircea_popescu they don't look, they work. wtf can you do with something that works!
14:08 asciilifeform worx, but no 'brand'.
14:08 mircea_popescu well what's the use of that!
14:08 asciilifeform sorta how asciilifeform is still alive. same dynamic.
14:09 asciilifeform if there's no debian-style herd of ruminants attached, to your 'brand', then ~invisible to these folx.
14:09 asciilifeform and can live for surprisingly long time.
14:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, see, this is one of the best arguments re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803989 (though the correct word is punk, ie http://trilema.com/2012/big-rock-candy-mountain/#selection-227.1-233.34 ) : dood got fucked with the brand thing, stood himself up shakily, dusted self off... and dived right back into it!
14:10 a111 Logged on 2018-04-20 19:31 ckang: weev is an actual cuck btw, the true definition
14:11 mircea_popescu STILL doesn't want to do things that work, but things that shine. well... why the fuck ? oobviously http://trilema.com/2017/yitzhaks-trilemma/
14:11 ckang i think the last thing i heard weev say he was working on, was some python code to detect if a person in a photo is black or white
14:12 ckang tensorflow i imagine
14:12 asciilifeform such invention!111
14:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, there's a very interesting protection factor at work, too! if you do enough things that work, you can do plenty of things that in other people would create "brand" and be immune from it! consider the bit spyked recently dredged up, http://trilema.com/2009/niste-rigoare-pentru-mircea-badea/
14:13 ben_vulpes ckang: i actually think that'd be a hilarious statistics project; just clustering on skeleton segment lengths would probably be enough to assplode the leftists heads
14:13 ckang heh yea ive been trying to come up with a good use for tensorflow
14:13 ben_vulpes "but the code of conduct says that the software cannot be allowed to say things about race etc!"
14:14 ben_vulpes ckang: "from causes, not towards purposes"
14:14 trinque > Terry needs like, clear evidence that there's a point to this fucking
14:14 trinque what a life
14:14 ckang lol you listening to his story?
14:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, i mean consider the lengthy list of shit. sent "academician" into retirement ? raped bank new arsehole ? raped govt ministry new arsehole, and as a community project no less ? raped... mit's "media lab" new arsehole ? exposed assets, exposed toolchains, i can do whatever the fuck i please and ~NOT~ be famous.
14:15 mircea_popescu do one iota of things that work, get iota^? worth of things that brand free!
14:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in uncle al terminology, 'they proclaimed it was Bad Luck and carried on'
14:15 mircea_popescu and they will, too!
14:16 mircea_popescu somehow at all junctures it was always "a better choice" in imperial logic to "blame bad luck", maybe execute a scapegoat or other, than identify the goldstein.
14:16 mircea_popescu doesn't it make you stop and wonder ?
14:16 asciilifeform it's the only ~effective tool in their box tho
14:17 mircea_popescu but they could try a different ineffective one!
14:17 mircea_popescu you know how "alt right" picked "soros" to be "the evil billionaire behind everything" ? do you suppose THAT is what prevents the "mainstream left" from identifying the evil billionaire behind their precious cuntlet losing the precious election and everything else ?
14:17 mircea_popescu maybe i owe some thanks to these folk i don't even realise...
14:18 asciilifeform as soon as the smarter folx in the enemy camp get the notion that there's somewhere to defect to -- game over
14:18 asciilifeform and enemy -- knows this.
14:19 asciilifeform ergo ~100% of effectual effort -- spent on squid ink.
14:19 trinque I won't spend too much time on this, but it's interesting that he transitions from third person self-reference to first person when he gets angry.
14:19 trinque herr davis, I mean.
14:19 asciilifeform trinque: afaik commonplace among schizo sufferers
14:20 ckang yea seems to depend if hes in a manic state or not
14:20 trinque eh I don't buy the political terms for all this; that appears to be when his brain *is* working, instead of farting around in neurotic loops
14:21 mircea_popescu trinque, let me tell you a story. so during napoleon era, for the first time "general army" was introduced, before that it was all profesisonal soldiery. huge humongous legions of draft dodgers, because really now, draft ? and napoleon standing for the "reasoning" "humanism" thingee of course introduced doctors to check whether medical claims were factual (most common amongst which, blindness).
14:21 mircea_popescu now you tell me, how did they check ?
14:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> you know how "alt right" picked "soros" to be "the evil billionaire behind everything" ? do you suppose THAT is what prevents the "mainstream left" from identifying the evil billionaire behind their precious cuntlet losing the precious election and everything else ? << "mainstream" left has as an anchor that "individual people can
14:21 BingoBoingo 't"
14:21 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo, but what individual ? what, it seems to you #trilema is individual ?
14:22 trinque mircea_popescu: aimed musket at their heads?
14:22 mircea_popescu no, but built special walkway with sudden low ceiling, saw if they ducked.
14:22 mircea_popescu blind or no blind, french peasant isn't taking one to the head.
14:22 trinque heh! nb
14:22 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The single typing fuckgoat they imagine is doing all the talking because... unfair. Shannonizer blindeness is internalized.
14:23 mircea_popescu see, that's not "one weird trick". that's how EVERYTHING works. the basic 101 of http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/#selection-233.62-233.144
14:23 mircea_popescu when lawyer wants to test for truth, he offers guy obvious easy explanation, sees if guy takes it. if he does... he's looking for an out, isn't he!
14:23 mircea_popescu and so yes, when he's angry his pretense fails to keep up.
14:25 BingoBoingo To pantsuit all of #trilema has to read as vexual as vexual reads to us
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14:25 mircea_popescu you think ?
14:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so, y'think d00d is malingering ?
14:26 asciilifeform if malingering, wainot fill out them forms.
14:26 mircea_popescu i can't call it ; but would be no worse strategy than what's the ru guy's name
14:27 asciilifeform i can see malingerers for pension, or for draft-dodging, but what's his then for ?
14:27 mircea_popescu yes, that's the nail. the ru guy did take what was it, some sort of something.
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14:47 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> you think ? << Probably. Nothing else explains Sweden's continued doubling down other than handicapping themselves because "dat signal's racist"
14:50 mircea_popescu well, stupidity alwayus explains.
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15:24 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/04/amazon-washington-post-sinks-to-new-lows-of-undisclosed-advertorial-content/ << Qntra - Amazon Washington Post Sinks To New Lows Of Undisclosed Advertorial Content
15:31 lobbes <BingoBoingo> [...] "dat signal's racist" << ayup. Pantsuit trains "autoimmune response" to specific signals, and causes all kinds of broken thinking. I posit that this is the root cause of things such as >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-06#784482
15:31 a111 Logged on 2014-08-06 00:42 mike_c: i have been in the newspaper multiple times, and i have been in trilema posts multiple times. one of these means more than the other, but I can only show my mother the newspaper clippings :)
15:33 lobbes also: http://archive.is/AiwcQ#selection-1157.93-1157.211
15:40 mircea_popescu i wonder what he's up to.
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16:42 diana_coman is there a tmsr patch/recipe for feeding /dev/random from fgs? my search of logs yielded only http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-09#1783118
16:42 a111 Logged on 2018-02-09 20:57 mircea_popescu: drivers/char/random.c is what needs changing. wipe the calls to "add_disk_randomness" and bullshit, replace with your fg feeder.
16:42 mircea_popescu nothing published afaik.
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17:14 mod6 I was going through my mom's stuff yesterday, she kept all kinds of trilema clippings.
17:14 mod6 Hehe, she printed them off, three-hole punched 'em, and put em in a binder, no less.
17:24 asciilifeform diana_coman: out of curiosity, why do you want to put your fg's through linus's whitener ?
17:25 * asciilifeform never implemented a fgtronic /dev/random replacement , quite deliberately, and iirc the reasons are in the log
17:27 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669565 << 1 thread
17:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-13 16:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread even here where somebody whined that FG doesn't work as a 'totem' where you 'plug in and forget and it just becomes your /dev/random' and that it has to be actively ~used~
17:27 diana_coman asciilifeform, in short: bridge gap until eulora's server migrates to eucrypt; not a solution to anything, nor a desired anything
17:28 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617414 << iirc orig thread
17:28 a111 Logged on 2017-02-24 02:05 asciilifeform: which is why /dev/random was a terrifyingly bad idea from day 1./
17:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: fair'nuff
17:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: iirc danielpbarron had a roughly working hack that did what you asked for
17:28 * asciilifeform brb, eating
17:29 mircea_popescu mod6, really ?!
17:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, in practical terms, how do you want s.mg to use fgs until rewritten ?
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17:29 mircea_popescu danielpbarron, got ?
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17:49 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/the-top-brass/ << Trilema - The Top Brass
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18:39 danielpbarron diana_coman, a package called sys-apps/rng-tools has a thing called 'rngd'
18:40 mod6 mircea_popescu: Yeah! Kinda neat. Bunch of Qntra articles too.
18:41 mod6 asciilifeform mircea_popescu diana_coman et. al. re: rngd : http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-13#332963 << Where I discover the author of this thing
18:41 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-04-13 01:48 mod6: Looks like maybe we need to do the latter -- write our own. Did anyone notice that Jeff Garzik is one of the authors of this thing?
18:41 mircea_popescu heh
18:41 mod6 http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-13#333199 << this too.
18:41 mimisbrunnr Logged on 2018-04-13 12:46 mod6: you know what else in interesting, when i breezed super fast through the code last night (I need to review it more), i noticed that this thing has it's own copy of "ent" embedded inside.
18:42 danielpbarron yeah it's way slower than getting the random from FG directly
18:44 mod6 The main thing that I wanted to do was come up with a TMSR~ blessed methodology for Pizarro clients to use to fruitfully use their in-chassis FG.
18:45 mod6 Then post it somewhere for all to see. And if they want to make their own / can make their own, then that's fine. But we should work towards this.
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19:19 mircea_popescu mod6, indeed.
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20:14 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-22#1804633 << sadly asciilifeform is not so familiar with the existing proggy, to answer this properly
20:14 a111 Logged on 2018-04-22 21:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in practical terms, how do you want s.mg to use fgs until rewritten ?
20:17 mircea_popescu yeah. anyway, i'm thinking the best approach would actually be a kernel patch to destroy the extant random/urandom bs and replace it with fg
20:18 mircea_popescu ideally simply have it exposed as /dev/random
20:24 asciilifeform right
20:24 asciilifeform would have to properly handle all types of attachment for the fg tho ( usb serial, genuine serial, etc )
20:25 asciilifeform and so would be sensitive to device init order, which imho is icky
20:25 asciilifeform asciilifeform often wonders if we're doomed to make a pci fg
20:26 asciilifeform ( why not made originally ? pci adds 100x the complexity; ugly; expensive )
20:26 asciilifeform the pc arch just plain old suxxxx. every method of dealing with this, has own tradeoff.
20:27 * asciilifeform will admit, to having sat down to write a kernel mod for fg no fewer than 3 times, and barfed each time
20:29 asciilifeform https://archive.li/xhVBU << in related vintage entomology .
20:33 asciilifeform ( for the sake of record : a non-retarded arch would do random like-so : ~as a cpu instruction~ that reads from N ~asynchronous~ ports , where N is odd, debias, and xor )
20:35 asciilifeform speaking of fg, ave1 really oughta have gotten his fg crate by nao
20:35 asciilifeform ave1 didja get it ?
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20:35 asciilifeform the 2nd attempt at the crate went out on the 11th
20:36 asciilifeform https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/char/random.c << the 'traditional' /dev/random. ( get yer barf bag ready! )
20:37 asciilifeform pointerolade, spinlock, sha1, you name it , it's got it...
20:37 asciilifeform and 2200+ln
20:37 asciilifeform ( not including #include'd rubbish, of which there is a mountain, as is typical )
20:39 mircea_popescu why ? if it doesn't get juice it just blocks
20:39 mircea_popescu you're more than welcome to fix it.
20:40 asciilifeform which why?
20:40 mircea_popescu why handle anything.
20:40 asciilifeform because afaik shitkernel offers no deterministic way to fix
20:40 asciilifeform ( if i'm wrong about this, folx, plox to write in )
20:40 mircea_popescu doesn't have to. /dev/random is blocking. all it needs to do is block if it has no fg.
20:40 asciilifeform right but how does it know where is an fg.
20:41 mircea_popescu it does not care.
20:41 asciilifeform from where does it read ?
20:41 mircea_popescu from wherever we make the standard. usb i guess ?
20:41 asciilifeform right but where.
20:42 mircea_popescu what do you mean, where.
20:42 asciilifeform could implement module the obvious way : takes N args, each of which must at load time be a valid /dev/ttyxxxx
20:42 mircea_popescu yes.
20:42 asciilifeform but this is incompatible with, say, a trinque-style kernel, that dun support loadable modules at all
20:42 mircea_popescu well if the kernel can't be patched then a patch won't help.
20:42 asciilifeform ( i have the rockchips currently with these )
20:43 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the current set of kernel modules, largely work in either 'module' or 'built-in' mode, depending on how compiled
20:43 mircea_popescu but the idea isn't for ~our~ kernels. the idea is to have an infection vector, that permafucks a linus-tso kernel into no longer working like a piece orf shit.
20:43 asciilifeform the scheme described above, would work only as a loadable mod.
20:43 asciilifeform plox to elaborate?
20:43 mircea_popescu i don't believe in this philosophy of "universal support". "break everything until it fully conforms to tmsr expectation" is entirely sufficient.
20:44 asciilifeform recall, linus's kernel has no notion of random, it implements '/dev/random' as yet another sort of faux device, via module
20:44 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this sounds great and wholesome but still gotta decide exactly how to break and where.
20:44 mircea_popescu indeed. which is why i was encouraging mod6 to look into it.
20:45 mircea_popescu but let's delve into detail here :
20:45 asciilifeform i can describe some known dead ends. for instance, you definitely do not want to marry the thing to the pl2303. because 1) you have no way of knowing that every pl2303 on usb is an fg 2) not every fg user got a pl2303 , they get whatever cheapest chinese cable is at any given moment 3) for all i know, pl2303 will not be gettable next month, next yr etc
20:46 mircea_popescu so, tmsr-kernel, such as for instance the very tight musl stuff, or what cuntoo evnetually will become, is out of scope for this discussion. of course it should have native fg handling, and im sure it will.
20:46 asciilifeform my whole point was that there can be no such thing as 'native fg handling' on pc. there's always a piece of shit in the way, e.g. usb.
20:46 mircea_popescu neverthless, inca-kernel, be it "debian" or whatever it is, needs a way to be fucked such that it stops exposing any /dev/random AT ALL for as long as it is not exposing a fg random.
20:46 asciilifeform aaa
20:46 asciilifeform this is pretty easy.
20:47 mircea_popescu that's all that's contemplated here, all we really want from the rest of the shitpile is a very clear knob, which, when turned, makes everything stop working that doesn't work like we expect it to work.
20:47 mircea_popescu that's it and that's all.
20:47 mircea_popescu and let them pick the pieces.
20:47 asciilifeform trivially, the 'random.c' item linked earlier, simply cut it.
20:48 mircea_popescu so you can waltz into dc installed "linux", patch it, and it either has /dev/random perma-blocked or else fg-streaming.
20:48 asciilifeform ( observe, linus hasn't really got a kernel, just a tall pile of items like the one linked )
20:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, well, ideally patch random.c into a fg streamer.
20:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform, quite.
20:51 asciilifeform incidentally , knob won't 'break errything that isn't proper', troo champions of idiocy like gpg , will chug along without a working /dev/random ( iirc -- silently )
21:00 mircea_popescu yawell.
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21:16 * asciilifeform puts the postgres docs down, drained for nao, goes back to bed, apparently did in fact pick up some sort of slow-burning infectious nasty on the return plane
21:30 mod6 ugh. get some rest, Sir
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22:48 trinque perhaps there's a yet more immediate route. /dev manager (eudev, w/e) is simply told to symlink /dev/random to the FG device.
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23:15 mircea_popescu trinque, that does at least half the job -- will get some actual entropy in there, even if it doesn't prevent the dilution with cvasi-random crap
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