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00:00 asciilifeform ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!)
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00:00 asciilifeform 1 photon sets off 2 detectors ~equally well as 1.
00:00 asciilifeform if close by.
00:03 asciilifeform if you wanted to be even more clever, could use strictly beta detector, and rely on the fact that the things go in two opposite geometric directions every time.
00:03 asciilifeform at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle.
00:04 asciilifeform (big heavy thing, with msdos box attached, no less.)
00:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636903 << old sovj0ke: 'flyer hangs on barrack door in buchenvald: 'tonight: DISCOTHEQUE! machine gunner Hans will play his two new disks !'
00:05 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.
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00:49 mircea_popescu heh
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01:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...9489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
01:24 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
01:32 ben_vulpes $? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
01:32 ben_vulpes !? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
01:32 ben_vulpes !$ ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
01:32 scriba ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
01:32 scriba ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
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08:24 mircea_popescu hi jhvh1
08:26 shinohai jhvh1 is busy terrorizing jews, but said to send you these retro titties: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8kTtv2XcAEqFuR.jpg
08:26 jhvh1 shinohai: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
08:28 mircea_popescu phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself!
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08:30 mircea_popescu shinohai nice bitties!
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09:14 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8jykoQVoAAiH-Z.jpg <<< Someone needs to scrub their grout.
09:17 mircea_popescu is this another columbian chick ?
09:18 mircea_popescu ah nm ukr. i thouight those tiles looked familiar.
09:18 mircea_popescu somebody needs to be blonder, wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this.
09:22 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/englezu-e-cel-mai-prost-dintre-oi/ << Trilema - Englezu' e cel mai prost dintre oi
09:23 shinohai !~translate en to uk wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this?
09:23 jhvh1 shinohai: WTF волохатого збройне єврейство це?
09:23 shinohai Will dispatch posthaste
09:23 mircea_popescu lel
09:24 mircea_popescu actually it gets it rather close, yevreystvo
09:26 shinohai I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD
09:29 mircea_popescu o.O
09:30 mircea_popescu but that's like antisemitism!
09:33 * shinohai performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!"
09:34 mircea_popescu "To znay: za chest' dolzhna schitat' znakomstvo yunkerskogo khuya!"
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11:00 trinque asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT"
11:01 asciilifeform trinque: expand plox
11:01 trinque I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds
11:02 trinque and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot
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11:02 asciilifeform actually trinque i know of at least 2
11:02 asciilifeform x11 and traditional
11:02 asciilifeform not everything is a matter of 'ugh, dbus'
11:02 asciilifeform some folx actually have variant use scenarios, and variant hardware.
11:04 trinque hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that
11:05 trinque we discussed this for trb openbsd patches
11:05 trinque in castle mod6
11:06 mod6 ah, ya
11:07 trinque subject there was ifdef throughout the code vs having multiple branches descending from the point multi-arch began
11:07 trinque often yes having the same patches ground onto each path
11:08 trinque but then the decision tree is there in V instead of buried in the code
11:09 trinque also costless abandonment of branches ; nothing to back out in the vpatched material
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11:41 asciilifeform trinque: my last attempt at 'vtronic portage' ran into the brick wall of 'there are nongenesisable items in the tarballss'
11:41 asciilifeform (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)
11:42 trinque aha, that problem remains.
11:43 asciilifeform if only it, though.
11:43 asciilifeform the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit.
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11:44 asciilifeform vpatches are to be ~readable~.
11:44 asciilifeform a MB of autogenerated (by whom ? when ? where ? how ? no one knows for certain) liquishit -- is not readable.
11:45 trinque I dunno the existing C world can ever be expected to be fixed in the manner you imply.
11:45 trinque just caught, like trb, here's how it was
11:45 trinque found blob items and all
11:46 asciilifeform hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100%
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11:46 asciilifeform worx great, even on crapple
11:46 asciilifeform ( lives here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 )
11:46 trinque sure, subset of "world" can be fixed
11:46 trinque and very cool
11:47 asciilifeform it isn't clear to me that autoconf was EVER necessary
11:47 asciilifeform it's a 'tv raft'
11:47 asciilifeform a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system.
11:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526720 << thread.
11:48 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL
11:49 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526636
11:49 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 03:23 phf: well, since asciilifeform's not here "let them eat nagant! wake me up when less stupid people!"
11:51 asciilifeform to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
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11:53 asciilifeform it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene.
11:53 trinque because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled.
11:53 asciilifeform the living mushroom, with his beard having crumbs from 1985 in it somewhere still. and his circle.
11:53 trinque if we're all equal, that guy can get laid too.
11:54 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD"
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11:54 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
11:54 asciilifeform trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance
11:54 asciilifeform Framedragger: if you're building for a unixlike, you're stuck with pthreads
11:55 Framedragger yeah that was my conclusion. so, guess will do. mk.
11:55 asciilifeform Framedragger: it was picked as example !
11:55 trinque also srsly don't reason with "is bad"
11:55 asciilifeform of 'MUST find header'
11:55 Framedragger suresure!
11:55 Framedragger trinque: not my reason, was satire (bad satire)
11:55 trinque suresure!
11:56 trinque asciilifeform: tried to make accessible is fine by this standard
11:56 asciilifeform i dun see any actual evidence of this 'tried'
11:56 trinque there's caked shit there in the spot; what did you want?
11:56 asciilifeform it is 100% pure beard crumb, no actual rationale involved
11:58 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526700 << moar old thread, to avoid reprinting...
11:58 a111 Logged on 2016-08-22 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation
11:59 trinque nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing
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11:59 trinque use whatever libs, whatever userland, and everything will magically work because democracy is a thing.
11:59 asciilifeform dunno that 'it happened because tricked people with promise of Phreeedom'. it happened as a slime mold happens, as mushroom grows -- because it could, and because no pushback.
11:59 trinque "hurd" was supposed to be the culmination of this
12:00 trinque was *entirely* intentional in the way wave of human meat strategy is intentional
12:00 trinque (and honestly, hurd? apt.)
12:01 trinque doesn't discount the beardcrust factor either. "If we maximally shuffle the circumstances around us, surely *someone* will fuck us. Anything can happen."
12:02 asciilifeform trinque: do you recall the linux kernel modules thread ?
12:03 asciilifeform it was an instance of exactly same thing. ANY attempt to paper over 'i have nfi what the user has, let's support 10,000,001 possible braindamages' ends up looking like autoconf.
12:03 trinque sure it does, but someone had to think the user getting to do what he wants was a good thing first
12:03 asciilifeform 'yeah, what if he has an ISA nic from 1993! gotta support'
12:04 asciilifeform trinque: in context, it was either this, or linux dun exist and it's-1995-if-you-want-a-unix-box-buy-a-sun
12:04 asciilifeform pc hardware is liquishit.
12:04 shinohai https://zrcoin.io/ <<< get 5.5% monthly returns from thin air!
12:04 trinque asciilifeform: sometimes wave of meat is what ya got.
12:07 trinque RMS, wrathful old testament god, confuses the language of the people to prevent another tower of Microshit from being built.
12:07 asciilifeform 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc
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12:14 BingoBoingo See also just about any small engine powered equipment part other than fuel line
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12:37 asciilifeform !~later tell mircea_popescu any idea whatever happened to 'induced beta decay' ? ( e.g., http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1984/V1/89.pdf ) -- the thing with the 'convert forbidden states to permitted with magnetic field'
12:37 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
12:40 asciilifeform ( for extra lulz: C-14's decay -- is a beta decay.)
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12:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
12:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
12:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
12:57 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
12:58 asciilifeform oh hey hey
12:58 asciilifeform both tropos
12:59 asciilifeform !#s tropos
12:59 a111 26 results for "tropos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropos
12:59 asciilifeform !$ ssh 74.45.0.65
12:59 scriba ssh banner of 74.45.0.65 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1
12:59 asciilifeform !$ ssh 74.45.0.64
12:59 scriba ssh banner of 74.45.0.64 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1
13:00 asciilifeform openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 74.45.0.65:443 >>>> O=Tropos Networks/OU=Manufacturing/CN=Tropos Router/emailAddress=support@tropos.com
13:00 asciilifeform etc
13:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
13:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
13:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
13:06 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1203...1937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
13:07 asciilifeform !$ ssh 74.45.231.115
13:07 scriba ssh banner of 74.45.231.115 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
13:07 asciilifeform ( turns out -- another tropos )
13:10 asciilifeform ( supposedly confessed and patched in 2012... https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=27612 . supposedly. )
13:14 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636979 << i think the argument presupposes conditions that anticipate the problem, so in a sense it supports what i said originally, while also appearing in opposition
13:14 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself!
13:16 mircea_popescu hm.
13:17 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not much. magnetic field research is for some reason stuck in 1700
13:17 mircea_popescu has been since tesla's days
13:18 asciilifeform i had nfi that tesla moved it back 200y!1111
13:18 mircea_popescu i dunno he did that lol.
13:19 mircea_popescu he moved it from 1680 to 1700 say :D
13:19 asciilifeform at any rate, mega-surprise, decay via electron capture is susceptible to magnetic field manipulations.
13:20 mircea_popescu aha
13:20 asciilifeform apparently it is at least in principle possible to 'burn', e.g., sr-90, in 3 days instead of 30 yrs.
13:20 asciilifeform ( and to use the energy for something. )
13:20 mircea_popescu i vaguely remember some guy trying to do something along those lines re nuclear waste recycling
13:20 asciilifeform several.
13:20 mircea_popescu couldn't get a grant.
13:21 asciilifeform aha, works great in demo. but 'nobody wanted'.
13:21 mircea_popescu well no i mean that i actually knew
13:21 asciilifeform it is also, by inference, possible to monkey with archaeological 'dating' via same method.
13:22 mircea_popescu quite.
13:22 mircea_popescu i don't think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines.
13:23 mircea_popescu "oh, and you're really pissed at that guy ?" "yeah man totally. i hate that guy."
13:23 mircea_popescu "scientific fiction", to mirror legal fiction.
13:23 asciilifeform anybody ever stick a tritium glow tube (ubiquitous konsoomer toy) in, e.g., permanent nmr magnet ?
13:24 asciilifeform ( y'know, these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606491 )
13:24 a111 Logged on 2017-01-25 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet)
13:24 mircea_popescu can't say as i have. by the age i was hanging out with the rave sluts i was no longer playing with magnets.
13:25 asciilifeform it'd be pretty simple experiment. take tritium lamp (buy wherever pistols are sold, moneyed folx often use tritium glow sight)
13:25 asciilifeform get a baseline for the light output
13:25 asciilifeform (with photomultiplier tube)
13:25 asciilifeform then put the 5T magnet on. and again same.
13:25 mircea_popescu yeah but.
13:26 asciilifeform theory suggests that the effect will be palpable. possibly visible, even, with naked eye.
13:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636999 << in theory this is how it should work ; in practice the sloppy git style does not work with the republican sig nuking. it'll just whine that "dependencies". basically, we're trying to get software from where it builds spirogyra strands to where it builds ACTUAL TREES.
13:27 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 15:02 trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot
13:28 asciilifeform if you have a thing-walled gm tube, you don't need a 'tritium lamp', even, can use a box of 'diet salt' (where it has K instead of Na, and ~0.01% of natural K is K-40, beta emitter)
13:28 mircea_popescu see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform talk about beta ingestion. i bet you the "diet" dorks eat more than shaves off my grinders.
13:29 asciilifeform everybody eats K
13:29 mircea_popescu and ~everything else.
13:29 asciilifeform (gotta keep the ion gradient going, heh)
13:31 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637022 << yes, to a large degree the usage of the "tools" is more a function of the presence of the tools than of the presence of a need. just like while car is useful item, if you stop $random car occupant will not be able to explain what he's doing.
13:31 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 15:46 asciilifeform: hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100%
13:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637039 << he wasn't discussing pthreads per se.
13:34 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 15:54 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD"
13:36 Framedragger i understand, i just got scared like a little girl
13:37 mircea_popescu lel. ok, this is marginalyl better satire.
13:37 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637056 << i do believe you have a point, the explanation isn't exactly idiocy, but rather, the fact that in people with no technical ability, the seepage of their political ideas into their practice was unavoidable.
13:37 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 15:59 trinque: nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing
13:38 mircea_popescu and by people with no technical ability i mean the likes of ian murdock or rms. the lot of them, really.
13:39 mircea_popescu (no, noticing a nail and going "oh, i remember hammer can hit nails" is NOT technical ability. a ditzy blonde / bright dog can do the fucking same. technical ability is when you can say ~use x, because no other tool is more adequate here~. that's technical fucking ability.)
13:41 mircea_popescu so in idiots this decays to "what should i do here ?" "uh i dunno, but X is more friendly to our shared delusions of equality, humanism and our democracy!"
13:42 Framedragger didn't rms implement emacs by ~himself? or that doesn't count?
13:42 mircea_popescu are you aware of the substance of that claim ?
13:43 mircea_popescu ie, didja read the history, confront variants from multiple people ?
13:43 Framedragger ^ (i mean the gnu port)
13:43 mircea_popescu ahem.
13:43 Framedragger a port totally counts. however, as to your general point, no.
13:43 mircea_popescu might be a fun weekend project, "establish rms emacs involvement", if you're bored one weekend.
13:43 Framedragger (would be interested to hear someone deny it)
13:43 Framedragger hm, true.
13:44 mircea_popescu make some claims, source the claims, insist the sourcing's balanced, you know, like serious court reporter say.
13:44 asciilifeform Framedragger: http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_rms.html << see also.
13:44 Framedragger ty
13:44 mircea_popescu #trilema, where homework cheating lives.
13:45 mircea_popescu (i am not, for clarity, declaring he didn't anymore than i'm declaring he did. i personally dun gas.)
13:46 phf well, since already spoilt, original emacs was written by a bunch of different people for TECO and long after rms became maintainer of that. then greenberg rewrote it in lisp (multics emacs)
13:47 phf then gosling wrote a version of emacs for a unix machine, that was used by rms as the foundation for his emacs
13:48 mircea_popescu phf my hm hasn't returned yet. what conditions are presupposed that anticipate the problem ?
13:49 phf the need to not treat the binary as a black box and also the need for non-linear compilation
13:51 mircea_popescu why is what i assume you mean by non-linear compilation presupposed ?
13:54 phf i think the word you used was "unary"
13:55 mircea_popescu yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don't expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle.
13:56 mircea_popescu and i suspect this goes to (one of the) roots of the argument : it is not broadly speaking sane for person writing code to expect that he knows what compiler user will use to produce object or machine code.
13:56 phf well, the plurality makes it non-linear, of course each one can be linear
13:56 mircea_popescu ok, but if you meant it in that sense i no longer see how it anticipates the very problem.
13:58 mircea_popescu (to continue link above : the prb idiocy "oh code is spec" is not invented by the idiots for this occasion. it's universally at the basis of contemporaneous cs, and it's all permeating. it stars with the expectation that you can tell whether the code you wrote is correct BY WHETHER THE MACHINE WORKS. this is utter fucking nonsense!111 appealing to tweens, perhaps, but still nonsense.)
13:58 phf the problem broadly speaking is that our solution to trust is "read the source code", in order to trust compiler you read the source code of the compiler. the trust chain terminates at bootstrapping. you can't "just" bootstrap on an untrusted system, you have to enumerate defensive approaches
13:58 mircea_popescu yes, and the objection to this is that you for some reason refuse the cornerstone of management, which is the differential approach.
13:58 mircea_popescu to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn't add ?
13:59 phf i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p
13:59 phf what's the differential approach?
14:00 mircea_popescu where i tell two people to do the same thing and compare the results.
14:00 mircea_popescu i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren't worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don't understand them like she does" etcetera.
14:00 phf i don't ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don't think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes
14:00 mircea_popescu ah
14:01 mircea_popescu there's no dispute whatsoever then. except maybe for this much : that problem is a problem in the sense thermic death is a problem. always and everywhere without let or respite.
14:04 asciilifeform i gotta object to the analogy with the egg and rotten kid. this is more like 'which of these children will get which type of cancer, and when.'
14:05 mircea_popescu i dunno it goes that far.
14:05 mircea_popescu but to a large degree i can predict what the ailments of the women naked on the floor will be as time withers them.
14:05 asciilifeform there is VERY little that you can say re a multi-MB binturd without spending several $mil.
14:05 asciilifeform and even ~with~.
14:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637072 << this is true. kinda sad to watch too. plagued ~everyone until serious effort got put behind replaceable parts. which, incidentally, is WHY you have things such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635839
14:20 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 16:07 asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc
14:20 a111 Logged on 2017-04-02 07:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically.
14:21 phf i think i see why we got on this thread. i was saying that bootstrapping is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for fits in head (i think ascii might've tried pointing that out to me).
14:22 mircea_popescu i suspect it's mostly because we're thinking in yet not mutually understood terms.
14:22 phf we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don't mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap.
14:23 phf that too
14:23 mircea_popescu the adage "trust, but verify" works splendidly when enough people do enough spot checking.
14:23 mircea_popescu the only problem is if they get lazy and turn into fly eyes.
14:24 mircea_popescu but in practical terms, i don't check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc.
14:25 mircea_popescu it goes way the fuck earlier than that, the whole thing with clay stamps and ancient babylonians etc.
14:25 mircea_popescu it's also strictly opposite to the "human rights" imbecility.
14:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the spot check model is, again, wholly inadequate. if you have ONE debianism or heartbleed etc. it literally does not matter worth a shit how 'clean' the remainder of it may have been.
14:28 mircea_popescu and the reason it doesn't matter is because it's impossible not to stumble on the one.
14:29 asciilifeform quite possible.
14:29 asciilifeform a certain drepperism sat for, what, 22 yrs.
14:29 mircea_popescu "spot check model doesn't mater, if there's phosgene in the air you're fucked" "yes, well, i think i might notice the phosgene. by you know, how the gals drop like flies."
14:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sat there.
14:30 asciilifeform this is more of a sarin than a phosgene.
14:30 mircea_popescu definitely noticeable in any case.
14:30 asciilifeform in the sense where, by the time you have any notice, you also have some serious problems.
14:30 mircea_popescu model this for me.
14:32 asciilifeform let's say we find that, e.g., gcc past 3.x embeds an off-by-one-ization in memcpy() , dependant on payload, and that it is triggerable specifically in trb tx processing.
14:32 mircea_popescu ok
14:32 asciilifeform and that we find this AFTER we put pogos on bottom of the sea, and on mars, in cement plinths.
14:32 mircea_popescu we don't put pogos that way. if you recall, i wasn't for it then, either.
14:33 asciilifeform it is the 'sarin' case : finding that you have been fucked, does 0 to unfuck.
14:33 mircea_popescu it is of no concern. we don't own the pipeline so we don't cement the products.
14:33 asciilifeform alternatively, say i find that gpg only ever was able to generate 100,000,000 different keys.
14:33 asciilifeform and enumerate them.
14:34 mircea_popescu for all you know i picked my primes by hand.
14:34 asciilifeform it'd quickly become apparent, neh, whether mircea_popescu (or whoever) did.
14:34 mircea_popescu it would. point remains : no unarisms.
14:34 mircea_popescu yes gpg can generate key. so can you. keep that in mind.
14:35 asciilifeform ^ asciilifeform: 'say a three megatonne bomb falls, you are 1km from ground zero' mircea_popescu: 'ha-HA! i wouldn't be caught dead near ground zero! foiled!'
14:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635192 << foiled.
14:35 a111 Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi.
14:37 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << this interested me the other day because my emulated asciilifeform does not approve of mitigations; the model described also can be implemented in meat
14:37 a111 Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
14:37 trinque applies directly to present thread
14:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu when you were a kid, did the local boys also do the 'well ~i'll~ X' 'battle of wits' thing ? 'tomorrow i'll bring a TANK!' 'well ~i~ will bring antitank gun!' '~i~ will bring battleship!'
14:37 asciilifeform 'who is stronger, elephant or whale.'
14:38 mircea_popescu yes, but i played heroes while they did that.
14:38 mircea_popescu "what is stronger, titan or black dragon ?"
14:38 mircea_popescu (9yo mp actually did these determinations by hand. how about 2 vs 2 ? how about 1+1 vs 2 ? how about...)
14:38 phf well, presumably all this only applies when you have fits in head. otherwise you have to fallback to counterparty
14:39 mircea_popescu i will say, people tend to be amazed at what can fit in a head once proper trees are constructed for the fitting.
14:40 asciilifeform trinque: elaborate plox
14:43 trinque really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don't suck, *you* aren't dead
14:43 * asciilifeform utterly fails to grasp the line of thought here
14:44 asciilifeform you don't 'lose a man' via debianization, you lose -- potentially -- entire empire.
14:44 asciilifeform and entire planets.
14:44 asciilifeform with 0 warning.
14:44 trinque homogenized planets die
14:44 mircea_popescu in related story : i was walking with girl yesterday among this beautiful townlet. off one fence, an explosive arbust sent its POISON RED flowers. i examined it because curious, and decided it's actually some kind of cherry tree ?!?! right leaves, right petals except for the color, everything.
14:45 mircea_popescu so today she asks, "But the question is, if that tree makes fruit, and they pretty much look like cherries... will you try one ?"
14:45 asciilifeform trinque: probably why threads re thompsonism tend to focus on gcc : it is THE failure point
14:45 mircea_popescu "no hon. i'm not the right age for self-testing anymore. that's more of a 16yo thing."
14:45 mircea_popescu the funny part is that i suspect it's entirely lost on her as of yet who's gonna be tasting them.
14:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja ever explain to her who's gonna be doing the falling on grenades ?
14:46 asciilifeform and the plugging of pillbox embrasures with own torso
14:47 mircea_popescu not as such
14:47 asciilifeform id've thought, naively, that they know approx what they signed up for.
14:47 mircea_popescu what was i gonna say, "i know this guy, something-life-form" ?
14:47 asciilifeform lol
14:47 mircea_popescu hehe
14:47 asciilifeform 'and today, chicklets, we will learn how to properly jump under a tank'
14:50 mircea_popescu anyway, the fundamental problem is that no one can know what they sign up for.
14:50 mircea_popescu except of course if they're signing up for a job at the walmart.
14:51 asciilifeform 'hey i signed up for jumping under tanks, not for into volcano'
14:51 asciilifeform scam!1111
14:51 ben_vulpes certainty is for sessile polyps
14:52 phf that's not what i signed up for when i was born
14:52 mircea_popescu in related story : months ago, still in argentina, walked with girl past fence with arbust. beautiful white flowers with intoxicating aroma, like nicotiana alata on steroids.
14:53 mircea_popescu so i break one off, smell it, handle it, we arrive at the coffee house, i put it into one of the water cups they serve with coffee. meet local girl, ask her if she knows what this beautiful flower is, she does not.
14:53 mircea_popescu any guesses ?
14:53 asciilifeform oh i remember this
14:53 asciilifeform this was in the logs
14:53 mircea_popescu aha
14:53 asciilifeform it was zombie cucumber
14:53 asciilifeform d. stramonia
14:53 mircea_popescu it was 100% datura. enough there for a medium sized book club.
14:54 mircea_popescu (flowers are particularly iffy, in daturas as in most such weeds)
14:54 asciilifeform it ain't sarin, however, does little simply by touching.
14:55 mircea_popescu i was just idly following the sign up thread.
14:55 asciilifeform ( don't eat it. don't bite your nails. )
14:58 ben_vulpes heh
14:59 ben_vulpes so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren't you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can't get to it"
15:00 mircea_popescu mataperros, yes ?
15:00 mircea_popescu where perra is how you call her when she's been bad.
15:00 ben_vulpes both of 'em
15:00 mircea_popescu or at the club, i suppose.
15:01 ben_vulpes ah, no, point is that she's on top of things.
15:01 ben_vulpes "yes honey, beautiful beautiful death, all over the carport"
15:02 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc there is a famous 'poison garden' in england somewhere
15:02 ben_vulpes neato
15:02 mircea_popescu ic
15:02 mircea_popescu and now i shall leave you for a typical mp ritual, whereby i line up all the shot glasses in the house, fill each with a different kind of mineral water and make the rules that'll dominate purchasing henceforth. brb.
15:02 asciilifeform there was a sign, 'do NOT sniff the flowers', some visitors -- ignored, sniffed.
15:03 shinohai https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013981.html <<< Make btc more segwittier ?
15:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/g9Lzf << subj
15:05 ben_vulpes oh fuck, "it may be an ideal fit for fundamentally different block designs such as Rootstock and MimbleWimble in absence of decentralised non-integrated sidechains"
15:05 ben_vulpes blither blather hoob hoob gaDORNK
15:05 asciilifeform wtf was 'rootstock'
15:05 ben_vulpes oh whoa that plant tunnel is awesome
15:06 mircea_popescu gah this water sucks wtf.
15:06 mircea_popescu !! key Blazsword
15:06 mircea_popescu !!key Blazsword
15:06 deedbot Not registered.
15:06 shinohai rootstock was the plan to add ethereum functions to btc
15:06 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: betcha it's better than the well water south of portland
15:06 asciilifeform and lol, 'extension blocks' ?!
15:06 mircea_popescu that may be.
15:07 asciilifeform this just gets 'better' an' 'better'
15:07 ben_vulpes i do miss one thing about my hometown; bull run reservoir produces un-fucking-matched agua
15:07 mircea_popescu hey, cluj had great tap water when i was a wee tyke.
15:08 mircea_popescu shinohai you mean free btc for daocough ?
15:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: surface sources ftw
15:10 ben_vulpes "bull run" is ferociously protected valley on mt. hood; combination of glacier runoff and rainfall on valley in q
15:11 shinohai I have little faith they'll ever actually get a working product, rootstock has been endless blather on reddit for well over a year.
15:11 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do you recall the oglaf with "song of sword and saddle" or what was it
15:11 ben_vulpes shinohai: if they don't have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default
15:11 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: no?
15:12 mircea_popescu idea men!!1
15:13 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
15:13 mircea_popescu re "ferociously protected". "we dun need no women on mt hood, stinking up the water supply with their womanly lyes and lures."
15:14 shinohai ^ kek
15:14 ben_vulpes mostly ch2mhill
15:14 ben_vulpes "fixing" things.
15:14 ben_vulpes there are plenty of places to slime hood
15:14 ben_vulpes just stay the fuck out of bull run valley
15:16 mircea_popescu in other #trilema does my homework, can anyone explain wtf a "factory reset" that wipes the hdd would be ? windows speak for reinstall ?
15:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a winblowzism typically found on 'dell', 'hp', similar shitboxes, unpacks a new hdd image from hidden disk partition.
15:16 Framedragger (n-gate.com has HN update for the last week of march and it's a riot, http://n-gate.com/)
15:16 asciilifeform (naturally -- nuking existing everythings)
15:17 mircea_popescu aaa
15:18 ben_vulpes Framedragger: solid chuckles
15:19 ben_vulpes > "The Rust Evangelism Strikeforce speculates on when they can move on to shitting up web development"
15:19 ben_vulpes fuck, buddy, i didn't think it could get worse!
15:19 asciilifeform 'Not a single goddamn Hackernews makes the obvious connection to the shit they do at work all day for a living. The tacit consensus: Hackernews isn't bad for creating the tools of surveillance capitalism; Congress is bad for letting people use them.'
15:19 asciilifeform lulzy.
15:20 mircea_popescu heh
15:21 mircea_popescu that's ok, the salaries have been slimming continuously. soon enough shinohai 's girls will be making more than paul graham's bois.
15:21 mircea_popescu as god intended.
15:21 mircea_popescu Framedragger got a twitter ?
15:21 Framedragger (un)fortunately not
15:22 Framedragger well, old 'dev' account for twitter app (don't ask); doesn't count
15:22 mircea_popescu if anyone does, see if the n-gate dude wants to do a qntra weekly ? he sounds just about right.
15:23 Framedragger oh god n-gate <-> qntra pipeline is so obvious in retrospect, why did nobody think of this!1
15:23 mircea_popescu well i never read n-gate
15:23 Framedragger ok will drop an email to the chap if can find an address.
15:23 mircea_popescu worx
15:23 Framedragger after this wine.
15:23 mircea_popescu i hope latest trilema didn't push you to drink.
15:24 mircea_popescu you're in scotland after all, what the hell do you care!!1
15:25 Framedragger incidentally did eat canonical eng breakfast this morning; i should re-evaluate my life
15:25 mircea_popescu in other lulz, notice THE LEG ? https://68.media.tumblr.com/9ff0aa6b62a82c76eb8eab2e2b6692fe/tumblr_nfp6uoUwc51shcyjro1_1280.png
15:28 mircea_popescu Framedragger i do it occasionally myself.
15:31 asciilifeform http://computers-are-fast.github.io ( linked from the loltron ) <<<>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 .
15:32 shinohai dafuq is that thing on the far right in that pic mircea_popescu ?
15:32 mircea_popescu that'd be THE LEG
15:32 ben_vulpes ahaha
15:32 mircea_popescu (old and therefore stupid cunt figured she's too good to go in the mud bare cunt, so she took a dress.)
15:33 shinohai Looks like a half woman/ half grub emerging from a pond full of shit
15:33 asciilifeform i thought it was a 'sack race'
15:33 ben_vulpes pushing a particularly stubborn turd out
15:33 shinohai errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
15:34 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sack races are raceist mkay.
15:36 asciilifeform ( in other lulz, re much earlier thread, https://www.google.com/patents/EP0099946A1?cl=en )
15:40 mircea_popescu wtf was david chapman supposed to have sold for "zillions of dollars" ?!
15:40 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lsbxPWAAEZDyV.jpg <<< If ur gonna use girls to shill shitcoins on twitter, at least use naked ones.
15:40 shinohai geez
15:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: whossat
15:40 mircea_popescu i dunno, krill at mit in the 80s.
15:40 ben_vulpes shinohai: stock photo or real gurl?
15:42 shinohai I imagine its stock photo meself
15:43 mircea_popescu "Google continues the war against their own users. The XMPP Memorial Society trades barbs about whose fault it is that a misdesigned overengineered shitshow of a protocol failed to gain traction amongst non-erlang enthusiasts. Every single messaging platform in current existence is held up as Obviously The Future. Hackernews tries to figure out what Google's master plan is, and why Google is working so hard to make it look li
15:43 mircea_popescu ke aimless poorly-managed floundering. IRCv3 continues to be a retarded pile of solutions to the wrong problems."
15:43 mircea_popescu shit, i got nothing to add!
15:43 shinohai If it was a real girl they'd have to settle for someone like covertress I imagine.
15:43 mircea_popescu python 3 memorial society coming up soon.
15:44 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620090 << last thread re 'ngate'
15:44 a111 Logged on 2017-02-28 17:24 asciilifeform: in other lulzfests, http://n-gate.com
15:45 shinohai In other asses: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lAhC-XUAAF0tu.jpg
15:45 mircea_popescu Maximum Hackernews is achieved as the sentence "I am too stupid to understand the context of academic research" is expressed as "now if you implemented this as a web app, i'd be sharing it with everybody"
15:49 mircea_popescu "The Muskonauts post their latest launch on Youtube. Hackernews thinks their kids will give a shit whether Elon recycled rockets. The hilarity of Hackernews expectations of the near future is not outweighed by the repetition of the typical Hackernews output on space travel: space is not worth exploring, yes it is, nobody will use this, yes they will, and then six thousand pages of bad economic theory."
15:49 mircea_popescu this guy is fucking talented, it's almost like reading summaries produced by expert sluts! god. he's saving me a lot fo work!
16:00 shinohai I love this one "Hackernews wants it to use TLS, the better to paste passwords into it without feeling bad."
16:05 mircea_popescu aha
16:08 mircea_popescu meanwhile at burning-things, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3e09593149629679c9849ed70d8f59d0/tumblr_okfx2v5NvY1vj1zedo1_1280.jpg
~ 15 minutes ~
16:23 asciilifeform lol, last time mircea_popescu said instead http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620099
16:23 a111 Logged on 2017-02-28 17:47 mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda lost interest once it was about shithead news.
16:33 Framedragger one can appreciate the whatever-order derivative, tho / the writing style, yknow
16:42 Framedragger goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good
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16:44 * Framedragger blows dust off old twitter bot account and uses some of that gas mask canister
16:46 shinohai The twitter complaints are actually hilarious "Can we stop linking to the n-gate HN stuff? The author's just generically contemptuous rather than having any real insight into HN culture"
16:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, i take a while to rev up
16:51 mircea_popescu hn culture ?! Ahahahaha
16:53 shinohai https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/842766766287740928 <<< full lulzy status from "Sekoority engineer @ Google"
16:55 mircea_popescu if memory serves hearn was also merit washed as "something or the other" engineer at google.
16:55 mircea_popescu pretty obvious alphabet co. maintains a whole department of "usg cover provisioning"
16:56 mircea_popescu !!rate matthrew garret -10 "former klout expert on paul graham". irredeemable shithead.
16:56 shinohai Yeah he was a Senior Software Engineer for the Alphabet agency xD
16:58 mircea_popescu pretty epic ninjashogun.com blog he has, too.
~ 38 minutes ~
17:37 ben_vulpes midnightmagic: you plan to fix your connection anytime soon?
17:38 shinohai znc is too much necromancy for the lurkers
17:40 ben_vulpes shinohai: the interesting thing from my pov is that he had a stable connection forever
17:40 shinohai Of possible interest to mircea_popescu http://gloriap1948.blogspot.com/?zx=72d308457354f507
17:41 shinohai Lifetime slavery, ftw!
~ 41 minutes ~
18:23 * mircea_popescu [tried to] watch emanuelle. holllllly shit pre-internet popculture is terrible.
18:23 mircea_popescu shinohai meh, contracts. how the fuck is this supposed to work.
18:24 * shinohai wanted to refer her to the Trilema article on the subject of contracts
18:24 mircea_popescu jesus fuck it's lengthy. omfg.
18:24 mircea_popescu how about a new rule : fits in cunt.
18:24 mircea_popescu use traditional lead lettering.
18:28 mircea_popescu we'll leave the "who takes on 50yo new slave" as a question for the ages.
18:30 ben_vulpes shinohai could pimp her out
18:30 shinohai I suppose there was a shortage of youger, more nubile slaves in that particular region of Latin America.
18:30 ben_vulpes sez right there she'd be down
18:31 ben_vulpes there is also some tiny arbitrage opportunity available i must point out; lock up the contract and then sell her off into improper slavery
18:31 mircea_popescu there's just about no way you'll beat the stupid out of her head before she croaks.
18:31 ben_vulpes whore, not slave!
18:31 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i dunno how much you partake of whores, but 50yos usually have to be special ordered.
18:32 mircea_popescu think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn't get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care.
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18:33 mircea_popescu 50yo whore is in a ditch somewhere, and her teeth in another ditch somewhere els.e
18:33 mircea_popescu meanwhile in Church Today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1clidy4n61qbj78qo1_1280.jpg
18:33 ben_vulpes i register no objections
18:34 ben_vulpes holy mammaries buttman
18:34 shinohai Hail Mary!
18:34 ben_vulpes yeah i have nfi in re proper prostitutes
18:35 mircea_popescu to continue the trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqi4h8YRfU1qd0ln0o1_1280.jpg
18:35 ben_vulpes haw
18:35 shinohai Neither does Atlanta, you should see some of the land whales billing themselves as "High-class escorts"
18:36 mircea_popescu and, of course, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3jzrbzo9G1ru00mpo1_1280.jpg
18:36 shinohai "What sort of meat does a priest eat on Friday?"
18:36 shinohai Nun!
18:36 ben_vulpes hyu
18:37 ben_vulpes well if we're doing themes, i have my own set queued up
18:37 mircea_popescu lol
18:37 * shinohai rather enjoyed ben_vulpes doggy selctions
18:37 ben_vulpes in over-fucking-polished-and-is-that-a-vin-i-see's: http://its-about-the-car.tumblr.com/image/159185818055
18:37 ben_vulpes shoot, gave away the game
18:37 mircea_popescu what's a vin ?
18:38 ben_vulpes "vehicle identification number"
18:38 ben_vulpes serial for cars
18:38 mircea_popescu a a
18:38 mircea_popescu so ?
18:38 ben_vulpes well the joke is that there are tits on display and i'm looking at the vin
18:38 mircea_popescu aaand ?
18:39 ben_vulpes "you don't need to have a good car to get tits all over it": http://68.media.tumblr.com/87c0ba72bd3f67142514e6d883499330/tumblr_onvrzukhQt1tpchrmo1_1280.jpg
18:39 mircea_popescu is that a toyota ?
18:39 ben_vulpes mustang i think
18:39 mircea_popescu toyota mustang ?
18:40 ben_vulpes yes
18:40 ben_vulpes toyota mustang
18:40 mircea_popescu i c
18:41 mircea_popescu at least it's not a lexus.
18:41 ben_vulpes oh goddamn it this last one is buried in a megatonne of html horseshit
18:45 shinohai I like #2 best
18:45 ben_vulpes http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg
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18:45 ben_vulpes in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
18:46 ben_vulpes perhaps someone else can identify that car
18:47 ben_vulpes "hood fun": http://68.media.tumblr.com/52aa220519517830eec96a10ffd1f1e0/tumblr_onugg85C1Z1urwuzno1_1280.jpg
18:48 ben_vulpes "too much ego in post": http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d355017cf06f5716d7253345d0f50da/tumblr_onl3z3MtUv1tlqnkvo1_500.jpg
18:48 ben_vulpes "professionals at work": http://68.media.tumblr.com/8163489294f27fca80a9c7280119d48e/tumblr_onl3y8Pgkg1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg
18:48 ben_vulpes "dat brat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/f44850d8bf7c57953f8e691de289ae26/tumblr_onl3y0ts3f1tk43c6o1_500.jpg
18:48 ben_vulpes and for shinohai: http://68.media.tumblr.com/3c6ea2a713e6524fdbaad1cb6ab932fc/tumblr_onl3yiQs6u1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg
18:49 ben_vulpes that's it i'm out
18:49 shinohai Nice ben_vulpes I like a classic
19:03 shinohai !~ticker --market all
19:03 jhvh1 shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1137.71, vol: 7758.44578561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1131.987, vol: 8420.27383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1135.9, vol: 22860.53024689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1012.623348, vol: 8688.96410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1135.77, vol: 3348.20348884 | Volume-weighted last average: 1114.54988445
19:09 mircea_popescu http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part.
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19:09 scriba Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
19:10 mircea_popescu in other sad stories, mp goes to very well appointed market, purchases litany of items. notices chunks of discounted cheese floating around in tub of iced water
19:10 mircea_popescu the items were discounted 25% and now had been discounted 75%!
19:10 mircea_popescu mp can not possibly resist buying 75% discounted cheese to find out why and wherefore it might have so offended the locals.
19:11 mircea_popescu mp takes the item home, and over a dish of oyster mushrooms lightly sauteed opens up the TRIPLE WRAPPED!!111 thing.
19:11 mircea_popescu at which point the trouble starts
19:11 mircea_popescu there's no scent whatsoever. at all. no runny. no mold. the hunk of petrocheese is entirely undisturbed, as "fresh" as it was when it left the plant, five years ago or whatever.
19:13 shinohai Is this some of the queso blanco popular in that area ?
19:13 mircea_popescu i don't think it's anything specifically.
19:14 mircea_popescu same thing usg issues, im sure.
19:15 shinohai There is a Mexican lady here that makes best damned queso blanco I've ever had. I've already stocked up on like 3 wheels of it.
19:23 pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637449 << it's a porsche 911 from the last 10 years. 'tiptronic' trans (you can see the silver thumb paddled on the wheel, which were and are widely reviled)
19:23 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 22:45 ben_vulpes: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg
19:24 pete_dushenski paddles*
19:25 ben_vulpes i never really figured out how one was supposed to shift while turning with paddles
19:25 pete_dushenski depends entirely on car
19:25 ben_vulpes in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago!
19:26 ben_vulpes first intentional loss of traction
19:27 pete_dushenski some cars (ferrari) have paddles mounted to the column so they're fixed regardless of wheel position. most others have the paddles fixed to the steering wheel proper and so they all move in unison. it's sort of a different strokes debate.
19:27 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637461 << funny you should say that, the line around here of late has been "OBEDIENCE IS THE ONLY CRITERIA"
19:27 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part.
19:27 scriba Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
19:28 ben_vulpes to which the smarter of the girls in circulation sasses back with "well what makes /you/ so worth obeying?"
19:28 pete_dushenski to which you reply ?
19:28 ben_vulpes stern glares, and a mark under her name on the whiteboard
19:29 shinohai Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money.
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19:29 pete_dushenski devious, shinohai !
19:30 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: remind me, why's her name on the whiteboard to begin with ?
19:30 ben_vulpes more sass, duh
19:30 pete_dushenski aha
19:30 pete_dushenski sounds like sasser's paradise in cascadia
19:31 ben_vulpes the bids and asks are all right there in the order book
19:33 shinohai New mpex security: S.ASS
19:33 ben_vulpes more of a debt instrument
19:34 pete_dushenski in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point.
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19:34 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 23:29 shinohai: Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money.
19:35 ben_vulpes and in other occlusions and hexagons: http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae93737a2c74237e5f555d7a055c90eb/tumblr_onwagxz5dQ1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
19:35 pete_dushenski werd
19:36 shinohai Space pr0n
19:45 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes | in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! << nice! i'm guessing this was on pavement but have you tried gravel drifting ? (it's a ton of fun and the lowest speed way to practise left-foot-braking)
19:46 * shinohai likes gravel drifting induced by ripping up handbrake at speed .....
19:47 pete_dushenski also works!
19:48 pete_dushenski though most cars of 'drift slut's' vintage have weakly engaging handbrakes unless it's been specifically addressed and repaired / replaced.
19:53 pete_dushenski in other golden oldies, "Warren Buffett’s face will appear on cans of Cherry Coke in China, an attempt by Coca-Cola Co. to capitalize on its biggest and most famous investor."
19:54 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/04/hussein-bahamas-advisor-susan-rice-fingered-as-surveillance-to-political-operatives-conduit/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Advisor Susan Rice Fingered As Surveillance To Political Operatives Conduit
19:54 pete_dushenski hopefully they don't skimp on the photochopping.
19:55 BingoBoingo In Qntra submitter guidance: If writing on fake news, Jeff Bezos has owned WaPo long enough to be namedropped as a Fake News Tycoon
20:01 pete_dushenski http://www.gereports.com/object-sprayed-worlds-blackest-material-freaking-us/ << ok vantablack is fucking cool. makes me want to paint trb node with it. 'capable of absorbing 99.96% of ultraviolet, visible, and infrared light'
20:04 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lCsRKUAAE1n-2.jpg 82 bids ffs
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20:05 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637383 << this is same guy http://sciops.net
20:05 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 20:42 Framedragger: goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good
20:15 mircea_popescu lol ben_vulpes running his kindergarten with proper red/black stars an errythang!
20:17 mircea_popescu phf advertising cat-v ? o.O
20:19 mircea_popescu http://sciops.net/images/canwait.jpg
20:20 CompanionCube ' The Cable.co.uk poll of 2,000 UK adults – the first of its kind since the Westminster attack – found that 66% believe the ability of intelligence agencies to intercept messages between terrorist plotters is more valuable than the digital privacy of the population as a whole.' 'More than half (51%) said they would feel safer if WhatsApp and other messaging services were unencrypted because message sent
20:20 CompanionCube by terrorists could potentially be picked up by police.' Today's standard British idiocy.
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20:37 asciilifeform believe moar 'polls'.
20:38 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637496 << how does that work?
20:38 a111 Logged on 2017-04-04 23:34 pete_dushenski: in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point.
20:50 Framedragger phf: ah, ty!
21:00 mircea_popescu if anyone had asked the uktards anything it'd even make a difference what they thought.
21:11 * CompanionCube is a uktard but doesn't particularly like it. There's not exactly much to like at the moment.
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22:11 mircea_popescu my sympathies.
22:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Works because expensive safety shit is in vulnerable areas and costs much to fix.
22:33 mircea_popescu aand in today's random lulz, http://poeticdesires.com/2017/02/1-29-17-reparations/
22:33 mircea_popescu tl;dr tedious poetess grabs some bread and meat for the ancestors. reparations, bitch!!1
22:37 shinohai I have met camgirls that play on this reparations thing ...gotta make dem white bois squeal
22:38 mircea_popescu hey, if it works...
22:39 shinohai Whether it be Aunt Jemimah or Anti-Semitic Russians, long as I get mine.
22:40 mircea_popescu heh in other lulz : archive.is apparently purged all trilema saves older than sept 2016.
22:41 mircea_popescu i somehow don't believe that thing actually works as long term archiving anymore.
22:41 shinohai O.o
22:42 mircea_popescu hm. or else it's an indexing problem. ancient links seem to work.
22:42 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/M2wff for instance.
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23:19 * lobbes smells a tmsr archive server in the future
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23:21 ben_vulpes kindergarten ouch
23:24 ben_vulpes hey how about this for a "txouts for later use in baking transactions" serialization format: textfile <tx_hash>, with contents <value block_height output_index>
23:25 ben_vulpes davout, trinque, mod6, mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, diana_coman, phf, jurov ^^
23:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this for wallets?
23:26 ben_vulpes "wallets"
23:27 ben_vulpes eg produce some data a user can use on an entirely separate box to make and sign txns for rebroadcast however
23:27 ben_vulpes oop meat bbl
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