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00:13 deedbot http://deedbot.org/bundle-487885.txt
00:13 trinque mircea_popescu: he didn't put them in the bot
00:14 trinque he just made deeds.
00:14 mircea_popescu oh
00:14 mircea_popescu !!help
00:14 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
00:14 mircea_popescu !!deposit 1 BTC
00:14 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ibBmP/?raw=true
00:15 trinque units aren't needed there
00:15 mircea_popescu so what do i use, fractionals ?
00:15 mircea_popescu !!v 539218EA825EAAA0BFEC1FFC260DDDE968EDC8A3AC0F1C5F80814807907C47A0
00:16 trinque takes units of decimal btc
00:16 * trinque removes the "upcoming"
00:16 mircea_popescu so !!deposit 1 is 1 btc and deposit 0.01 is 1 bitcent ?
00:16 trinque correct
00:16 trinque it'll come back to you with encrypted next steps
00:17 mircea_popescu so far it's silent
00:17 trinque when given the right count of parameters
00:17 mircea_popescu well it should bitch rather than let me decrypt an useless pad then
00:17 mircea_popescu !!deposit 1
00:17 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYUDW/?raw=true
00:18 trinque hey, I got scooped by lobbes!
00:18 mircea_popescu ah sorry.
00:18 mircea_popescu should i hold off on this ?
00:18 trinque nah it's all there
00:18 mircea_popescu !!v 5173B2520A618A470B3F0874800652F8EA5F7792037EF86BC2908D2F966C4385
00:18 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fYiyV/?raw=true
00:19 mircea_popescu trinque why is the two step thing needed again ?
00:19 trinque because the thing's otherwise open to filling up my deposit queue with junk
00:19 trinque for things like balance, one step
00:20 mircea_popescu can be used by nonvoiced ppls ?
00:20 trinque depending on the level of trust I put in freenode
00:21 mircea_popescu so what are ppl gonna do, fill your queue with junk then get negrated ? not much of a plan.
00:21 trinque it's a fair point; lets remove it and see what happens
00:21 mircea_popescu can just arbitrarily fine offenders if need be.
00:23 mircea_popescu recall when alf got fined like what was it, 1 btc ? for spamming the chan ?
00:24 trinque lol I don't, but it's a fine policy.
00:24 mircea_popescu way early, when it ever happened at all.
00:24 trinque I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact.
00:26 mircea_popescu anything specific ?
00:28 trinque I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship.
00:29 mircea_popescu well how would they even use it.
00:29 mircea_popescu gotta be able to voice neh
00:29 trinque isn't locked to this channel at the moment.
00:29 trinque but doing so'd do exactly that
00:29 mircea_popescu might as well.
00:33 trinque mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick.
00:33 trinque I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even)
00:34 mircea_popescu im not understanding something here
00:35 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403
00:35 a111 Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
00:35 mircea_popescu so basically, you want !!withdraw to pay to a bitcxoin addredss and !!pay to pay to a nick ?
00:35 trinque yep
00:35 mircea_popescu this makes perfect sense.
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00:52 mircea_popescu trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ?
00:55 trinque in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses; deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time.
00:55 mircea_popescu and how long does an address last ?
00:56 trinque there's only a single address, and the generated deposit amount is what links any inbound transactions to their account.
00:57 mircea_popescu how long does the link last ?
01:00 trinque hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests.
01:01 mircea_popescu is there collision protection ? or can the same 4 digits show up twice ?
01:01 trinque the same 4 digits will only show up again if a previous deposit for that amount has been completed
01:01 mircea_popescu cool.
01:02 mircea_popescu so basically, as long as you're not getting in excess of 10k calls per however long they expire, you don't really have a problem.
01:02 trinque exactly, shouldn't be a reason to delete at all
01:02 mircea_popescu make it a day then ? 24h ?
01:02 trinque can certainly say at least 24hrs; I was willing to say "at least a month"
01:03 mircea_popescu so make it a week, should cover all insane scenarios.
01:03 trinque k
01:03 * mircea_popescu will still use it as a "it's good for a day-ish", which imo is reasonable.
01:03 mircea_popescu day soft week hard boundry, should work fine
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01:19 trinque I'm headed to bed, will respond to any other feedback in the AM.
01:19 mircea_popescu kk
01:20 trinque gnite
01:22 deedbot deeds online
01:29 mircea_popescu and in other utter lulz, https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/pivot-to-video.php
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02:09 mircea_popescu !!balance
02:09 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HnAgr/?raw=true
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06:42 BingoBoingo 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
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06:43 BingoBoingo Or was apprehended on floor 32
06:44 BingoBoingo LVPD is apparently seeking a petite, aged azn female as suspected accomplice
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07:16 diana_coman Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
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09:21 shinohai http://archive.is/eZTlZ mircea_popescu, danielpbarron, still free to compete.
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10:37 mircea_popescu !!balance
10:37 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6c7wf/?raw=true
10:43 mircea_popescu !!up asciilifeform
10:43 deedbot asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
10:43 mircea_popescu !!up asciilifeform_
10:43 deedbot asciilifeform_ voiced for 30 minutes.
10:43 mircea_popescu diana_coman indeed he did, but beyond http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-06#1638767 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029
10:43 a111 Logged on 2017-04-06 11:42 Framedragger: rehosted here: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-1.jpg && http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/import-2.jpg
10:43 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
10:47 diana_coman ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess; anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose
10:48 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << a new hero, huh.
10:48 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
10:49 mircea_popescu the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
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10:49 a111 Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".
10:50 mircea_popescu diana_coman for some reason he's insanely reluctant to blog. nfi.
10:52 diana_coman anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
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10:52 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
10:56 asciilifeform RIP dulap.
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10:57 mircea_popescu a it went ?
10:57 asciilifeform aha. we complained, they listened!111!
10:58 mircea_popescu it was getting ridoinculous.
11:03 asciilifeform lulzily, asciilifeform spent ~whole weekend dealing with ~exactly same picture re a box in the saeculum.
11:04 mircea_popescu there's not very much else LEFT is the point. should actual people take up the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719437 and should they complete a few hundred million executions, we'd discover that... we can't even fucking tell.
11:04 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 14:49 mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
11:04 mircea_popescu none of these schmucks actually do anything with their time.
11:06 mircea_popescu shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard.
11:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.
11:10 mircea_popescu i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you".
11:10 mircea_popescu as far as idiot mind is concerned, they "tried" and "went above and beyond" but "sadly".
11:13 * mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
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11:13 mircea_popescu phraseology she no doubt picked off some "conference" or whatever they call the corporation-organized "social life" for the drones. and she actually believed this.
11:13 mircea_popescu they actually think themselves human, for reasons that've nothing to do with anything above and beyond a waxed cylinder reproducing human speech.
11:15 diana_coman mircea_popescu, presumably want to know how high in order to write it down on the to-do list or some such; it's a world of words, what else is there anyway other than words
11:16 mircea_popescu maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh.
11:16 mircea_popescu world of words, yes, but not even articulated words. most things are one-pass.
11:16 diana_coman exactly, push this button get that response and if you want another response, tweak a bit and there it goes out
11:17 mircea_popescu the other as a single-pass state machine, "if he says X then he's in state 1 you say Y, if he says Q you say Z, ... , if he says T you say G and that's the whole list of interaction".
11:18 mircea_popescu "how's it going" "great" ; "here's that X" "thank you" and a few others. maybe a dozen ? maybe three dozen for you know, super-duper VIP CTO CEO etc. that's the whole model.
11:18 diana_coman quite; and what do you mean to say P when he said T!!! that is not fair and so on
11:19 mircea_popescu two pass responsens such as "how's it going" -?-> "great" end ; -?-> !"great" "just $x ? not great ?" is already SO FUCKUING CREATIVE OMG it belongs in like the movies.
11:19 mircea_popescu i think rockstars talk like that.
11:19 diana_coman lol
11:19 mircea_popescu somehow people could watch fargo and not call the national guard to salt the fucking place where it stood.
11:19 * mircea_popescu still can't grok how that works.
11:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile in a basement somewhere, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e4963cf0b439c0762e6833b68c3a3595/tumblr_ns8c6euMmv1t5vf0wo1_1280.jpg
11:39 cruciform I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts
11:39 cruciform at least retards are spared - one assumes - the realisation that they're retarded
11:40 mircea_popescu sometimes i guess.
11:41 cruciform about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement!
11:41 diana_coman cruciform, head hurting though can be same as "muscle hurts" - simply an indication it's ...working and growing
11:41 mircea_popescu or that you had too much fun.
11:42 cruciform mircea_popescu: definitely having fun!
11:42 diana_coman are those different?
11:42 mircea_popescu lol
11:46 mod6 <+cruciform> about 2 months in so far -6m is a hefty requirement! << nice, keep at it!
11:47 mircea_popescu cruciform see also http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/#comment-118639 http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#comment-122988 etc
11:48 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719454 << iirc the original americanism was 'shit ? tellme what colour'
11:48 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 15:13 mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
11:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large"
11:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 << holyshit where didja get asciilifeform's deck of cards! diana_coman ?11
11:49 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
11:49 mircea_popescu i suspect yours is ulterior militarism
11:50 asciilifeform lollterior, with them pikes an' swords
11:50 diana_coman asciilifeform, didn't know it was yours, man! lolz, lemme dig...
11:50 asciilifeform diana_coman: pretty sure i have that same ace at least.
11:50 asciilifeform same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow
11:51 asciilifeform and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels
11:51 asciilifeform if it ain't a seekrit, diana_coman , how didja end up in britanistan ?
11:52 diana_coman asciilifeform, got the "ultimate deck" from the US indeed, in...wholly time, 2013!! http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2013/03/10/notite-disparate-despre-nimic-anume/
11:52 asciilifeform lol!
11:53 asciilifeform i had nfi that they made faux-su dex there.
11:53 asciilifeform brain-melting.
11:53 diana_coman asciilifeform, I did know of Framedragger's experience yes; similarly I have my own experience of Ro post brazenly not only kidnapping packages as in...entirely, vanished etc
11:53 asciilifeform diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc
11:54 asciilifeform ( mircea_popescu might recall details )
11:54 mircea_popescu eh, su is no better. in recent memory they stole camera, resealed package, sent it along.
11:54 mircea_popescu and by su i mean, of course, us.
11:54 asciilifeform how to even tell where on the route, stole.
11:54 asciilifeform could be in one zimbabwestan, could be in other.
11:54 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well they resealed with their own tape.
11:54 mircea_popescu and the usps paid for the insurance, too.
11:55 mircea_popescu girls were mindblown, "why the fuck would anyone do this".
11:55 mircea_popescu the answer, however, is obvious -- random convict couldn't, literally, give less of a shit.
11:55 diana_coman asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here; but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro
11:55 diana_coman so dunno, having so many enoughs and eating them, might be I got fat
11:55 mircea_popescu "oh it will be discovered". what the fuck does he care ? by the time it's discovered he's either dead, inside anyway for "drug bust" or otherwise, you know, MADE IT IN THIS GAME
11:55 asciilifeform one time, in 2000s, asciilifeform bought a mk61 classic sov calculator from a d00d in ru. came in, noshit, old-school wooden crate, everything intact, manuals, etc. BUT the power brick -- snippycutted off.
11:56 asciilifeform who would steal a 30 y.o. 220v brick -- to this day i have nfi.
11:56 mircea_popescu selfsame dood above.
11:56 mircea_popescu he thought it pattern matches something fence might have taken once.
11:56 asciilifeform gotta be.
11:57 mircea_popescu this is the constant lulz, asking "what was he thinking". what the fuck, if he were thinking he'd be working at the post office ?
11:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan...
11:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's ok, i dunno who else could be paid enough to live in the swamp.
11:58 asciilifeform hey at least i dun gotta pay vat!111
11:58 asciilifeform not 1 time had any problem getting mail from whatveristan.
11:58 mircea_popescu and yet strangely the us collects as much tax as the uk.
11:58 trinque got state income tax in maryland too!
11:58 asciilifeform at least. but at least not at postoffice!11
11:58 trinque neener!
11:58 diana_coman asciilifeform, re "why would he do that" - I don't think there is a why; what to do with it comes afterwards anyway
11:58 mircea_popescu oh i see.
11:58 asciilifeform trinque: massive tax
12:00 diana_coman asciilifeform, part of trouble is that atm on such coordinates it's unclear if moon is far enough as it is
12:00 mircea_popescu diana_coman amusingly, it increased ? yours was 19.42, Framedragger 's was 18.6 if memory serves ?
12:01 mircea_popescu does the queen's own asshole dilate with inflation in those lands too ?
12:01 diana_coman it seems that his was lower but it's unclear why really
12:02 asciilifeform holyfuq that's > the postage
12:02 diana_coman it's fixed amount asciilifeform ; and a third of it is for "post service" weirdly enough
12:03 asciilifeform nuts.
12:03 mircea_popescu in related news, i turned off a horrifying bad piece of british propaganda yest, "the hill" with sean connery.
12:03 asciilifeform british are famous for this kind of thing for 300yrs, neh, this is as much a surprise as the dozen+ mosquito bites on asciilifeform's leg
12:03 diana_coman more than a third even
12:03 mircea_popescu the idea there is that people in a north africa military prison give so much of a shit about the crown & all they actually do what told!
12:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: 'post service' i suppose is 'the fine service of searching through packages an' pilfering'
12:04 diana_coman asciilifeform, quite; you don't get to pay that if package doesn't attract customs fee
12:04 lobbes !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800
12:05 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gmaQc/?raw=true
12:05 diana_coman I got plenty of packages otherwise and never had to pay such a thing
12:05 lobbes Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu
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12:05 diana_coman admittedly, not much (if any, hmm) from the USA
12:06 asciilifeform lol, what other than fg might you even want sent from there.
12:06 diana_coman come to think of it: the deck of cards! lol
12:06 * asciilifeform looks at his desk, and finds, other than FGs, 1 and only 1 object made in usa -- the ibm keyboard, circa 1982
12:07 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/poO3G/?raw=true << the item. because FUCKING TOTALLY, if i'm running whores in cairo i'm gonna be so totally impressed with some two bit sargent major he's not only not getting shot, but ima do what he says! guess who's changing who here!!11
12:07 mircea_popescu and so on etcetera.
12:09 diana_coman asciilifeform> diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... <-- on one hand most non-brits here (and yeah, it's an area with some 25%+ non-brits) anyway are a positive thing overall; on the other hand there is this (been repeatedly told) very British dream of retiring (with good
12:09 diana_coman money obv!) in a poor country and watching the sun setting just as the local economy sets too - it sounds as if they managed the setting part right at home
12:10 mircea_popescu how the fuck is it british lol.
12:10 mircea_popescu it's florentine is what it is.
12:10 mircea_popescu and before that is what legionnaire did.
12:10 asciilifeform seems like brits have the worst of 2 worlds -- 1stworld prices, 3rdworld realestate
12:10 diana_coman must be the legionnaire florentine brits-only ; but yes, makes sense
12:10 mircea_popescu consider though : 100% of classical theatre is "old guy retiring (with good money obv!) with either young wife being a whore or else hot daughter being a slut".
12:12 mircea_popescu the barber of seville, the merchant of venice, the taming of the shrew, all, all "mistaken identity" / commedia dell'arte consists of this and nothing else but this : "here's how life reclaims the money bags"
12:12 diana_coman oh, classical theatre made me think of...antigona and I was racking my brains
12:12 mircea_popescu that's antique! classical theatre is this 1500 florentine thing.
12:13 * asciilifeform also thinks 'grecoroman' when hears 'classical'
12:13 mircea_popescu but anyway, the legionnaire's dream is the one most enduring roman contribution to modern world.
12:14 mircea_popescu "take the solidus, go somewhere where q. robur grows and the tits are fistfilling, settle down and relax already."
12:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << btw complete with the Magically Evaporating Multiple Shooters
12:22 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
12:25 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719544 << might consider linking http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt in the memo field of your invoice
12:25 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 16:05 lobbes: Damn. Alright I'ma create invoice tonight once I'm near my signing key, mircea_popescu
12:26 mircea_popescu now lessee here.
12:26 mircea_popescu !!received-invoices
12:26 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mzQJ9/?raw=true
12:26 mircea_popescu oh he didn't send anything yet ?
12:26 trinque nah, not yet
12:27 mircea_popescu kk
12:27 trinque but that's where it'll end up
12:27 mircea_popescu worx
12:39 asciilifeform https://i.imgur.com/KNx6u8Q.jpg << geography of p0stal
12:39 asciilifeform coupla 100 metres.
12:41 mircea_popescu wait, he shot from the hotel into the parking lot as it were ?
12:42 asciilifeform allegedly.
12:42 mircea_popescu vietnam vet ?
12:43 asciilifeform according to beobachter, one 'Stephen Paddock... ...64, was found dead in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas when a police SWAT team broke down the door. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said authorities believe Paddock killed himself.... Paddock had a private pilot's license and the FAA is gathering his records, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. So far, authorities have found no military rec
12:43 asciilifeform ords for Stephen Paddock.'
12:43 mircea_popescu "Hey, I would have bought it HERE if it EXISTED, you know? It sucks to have to import cool stuff from half way around the world, yes, but how does it follow then that one also has to *pay locals* for their failing to have the cool stuff locally?" << this is a rather important point.
12:44 asciilifeform 'Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.'
12:44 mircea_popescu lmao what.
12:45 mircea_popescu meanwhile in one of those rare examples of youth not being wasted on the young, http://68.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nr3hc7TyS01r87thuo1_500.gif
12:45 asciilifeform i.e. scapegoat, picked from intel's list of old men nobody will esp. notice; meanwhile maidan sniper squad culled the culls
12:45 mircea_popescu pfff.
12:46 asciilifeform i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story
12:52 mircea_popescu well what is this, conspiracism for conspiracism's sake ?
12:53 mircea_popescu i can't imagine who could possibly be arsed to eat the cost of culling the worthless millenials. that an old man undertakes it is very much in the vein of what old age is all about.
12:53 asciilifeform it's a reichstag, wat
12:53 mircea_popescu big daddy pollitt similarily attempts to help brick.
12:53 asciilifeform pretty obvious cui bono.
12:54 mircea_popescu what, is your construction here that las vegas hospitals and funeral parlors have revived the ancient frontier practice of paying drunks to create work for them ?
12:54 asciilifeform not 'funeral parlours', unless it is simply mircea_popescu likes playing deliberately thick. dhs et al.
12:55 mircea_popescu ie, drumming up support for the war on terror etc ?
12:55 asciilifeform aha
12:55 asciilifeform and also from where didja get the notion that 'culled millenials' ?
12:55 mircea_popescu well who the fuck goes to an open air concert, besides mobile poor people.
12:55 asciilifeform looks like it was workingclass, BingoBoingoish set
12:56 asciilifeform 'country'
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12:56 mircea_popescu i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not.
12:56 mircea_popescu if yes, there's no office and there's no work and there's no anything else. there's strictly the ipad and hopefully lead.
12:57 asciilifeform i'ma defer to the culturally clued folx ( BingoBoingo , trinque , ben_vulpes ) re who likely was in the culling field.
12:58 asciilifeform the police photos dun offer a clear answer re 'post-1990 or not', imho
12:58 mircea_popescu o wow, google took wikipedia off it's "Special box".
12:58 mircea_popescu it's the end of the spamsite innit.
12:59 asciilifeform waiwat nowai
13:00 mircea_popescu google jason aldean. there's his personal site, searches for spouse and his lulzy kids preloaded, songs (on youtube, fo course) linked.
13:00 mircea_popescu INSTAGRAM profile before facebook, and no wikipedia.
13:00 mircea_popescu twitter-myspace tail to add insult to injury.
13:00 asciilifeform lol google front already has the oblig sadface
13:00 asciilifeform 'our hearts...' etc
13:01 asciilifeform 'The 2 time ACM Entertainer of the Year Award winner has sold 15 million albums and has 17 #1 songs! “With all the albums we’ve done, we’ve always taken our own path and not thought about what everyone else is doing,” says Jason Aldean.'
13:02 asciilifeform ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much )
13:02 mircea_popescu On September 30, 2012, Aldean admitted to having "acted inappropriately at a bar",while former American Idol contestant Brittany Kerr, responding to reports linking her and Aldean, said in a statement she had suffered "a lapse in judgment" and "would like to sincerely apologize to everyone that has been affected by this"
13:02 mircea_popescu who the fuck is going to be affected by a naked slut in a bar getting fucked or w/e they did
13:06 asciilifeform apparently pro-trump d00d
13:06 asciilifeform ( aldean )
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13:24 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: in my backwards-ass neck of the woods, it's practically a family affair: http://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2017/09/27/19346945/song-of-the-red-states
13:25 ben_vulpes vegas is hard to pin down demographically, as it's just the projection of a particular multidimensional entertainment megacorp through our plane, so you're just as likely to run into tourists not even from this plane as you are say dentists from las cruces or 'hft guyz' from nyc
13:26 mircea_popescu "But the Bi-Mart Willamette Country Music Festival—or BMWCMF as it will be henceforth referred to—clearly does not care about positive PR. In that way, the BMWCMF is unlike any music festival I’ve ever been to. It also perfectly embodies Oregon as it exists outside of Portland: rural, rugged, and rude. Attempting to acquire a media pass feels more like haggling with a stranger on Craigslist." << jews' first little step
13:26 mircea_popescu on the lengthy long road to discovering that no, nobody wants zher here there or absolutely anywhere.
13:26 mircea_popescu and nobody cares how the whine about it goes, either.
13:28 ben_vulpes uite
13:28 ben_vulpes quite*
13:28 mircea_popescu "positive pr" indeed, what, from the likes of Caleb Crain and his "husband" Peter Terzian ? noty.
13:29 asciilifeform whossat
13:31 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ < random nobodies with a mention on trilema
13:31 asciilifeform aaaa
13:43 mircea_popescu and in other wetware spun content lulz, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935506/Feds-nab-one-dark-web-s-largest-drug-dealers.html
13:44 asciilifeform lol rasputin
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14:20 mircea_popescu and in other "the consumer is still using the computer as a screensaver" lulz, https://thecryptochat.net/
14:20 mircea_popescu here's a great idea : the best way to "Screensave" is by NOT FUCKING BUYING ONE.
14:20 mircea_popescu if it's not for you, why importune the world.
14:22 asciilifeform incidentally i fully expect that screensavers ( in the 1990s sense of the word ) will soon come back : crapple et al finally went to oled ( luminophor-based display, sorta like flat crt but with even faster burn in, mtbf ~2years )
14:23 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 - interestingly enough re uk vat for us "imports" I got passed on this snippet, apparently published in the spectator too: "I recently ordered a pair of wire strippers from the USA at a cost of £14.07. Two weeks later I received a demand for £3.90 duty and VAT, plus a Royal Mail 'handling fee' of £8. The latter struck me as an awful lot of handling for a small tool. Thank you, Royal
14:23 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 14:52 diana_coman: anyways, for posterity, similar story to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634029 but in detail here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/10/02/some-costs-of-importing-randomness/
14:23 diana_coman Mail, but no. You may now enjoy handling the item all the way back to America, at your own cost."
14:23 mircea_popescu diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package.
14:24 asciilifeform the penalty for not buying chinese liquishit, via the approved import channels, is strict.
14:24 mircea_popescu rather, the penalty for breaking chinese liquidshit marketing areas.
14:24 diana_coman asciilifeform, fwiw re deck of cards the way I found that fake one was basically through a Russian who saw&bought it because it reminded HIM of the original deck of cards of his grandfather who was of the type self-exiled to France
14:24 mircea_popescu where do you suppose those ended up ion the us from.
14:26 asciilifeform diana_coman: the anglos, fwiw, have what i suspect is the world's ugliest standardized (and it is astonishingly standardized) deck of cards. iirc ~unchanged from shakespeare's time
14:26 mircea_popescu this is for good reason.
14:26 diana_coman hm, now that you mention it I realise I do not have even one single anglo-deck of cards actually in the house, lol
14:26 mircea_popescu beauty, always hieroglyphic, distracts from alphabetic use of signifying tools.
14:26 asciilifeform but yes on second glance i could tell that diana_coman's ace was english -- letter A is megaclue
14:26 asciilifeform i dun have anglodeck either.
14:27 * mircea_popescu can't stand non-standard decks for eg bridge. if you wanna gawk, have the partner topless.
14:27 asciilifeform miserable plastic things, too
14:27 asciilifeform afaik nobody makes paper cards in heathendom , not for half century
14:28 diana_coman mircea_popescu, eh, there is that re playing
14:30 mircea_popescu (topless girl bridge tournament is great because of the old lady player problem. which is, there's this subclass of player, often looking like dame olivier, who are VERY fucking tight players. this is great for them, as they usually win or at least place well, but terrible for the game, as it becomes dry.)
14:30 mircea_popescu i want my #2 spot to be because i bid 6NT and made it on that obvioud 4h hand ; not because i always did 3s instead of 2s and shaved 10 points each time that way.
14:30 diana_coman asciilifeform, ah, if you meant latin letters then I guess most of mine are "anglo" in this sense, yes; prolly just 2 or so actually Russian
14:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: i meant that it was visibly a modern deck, vs vintage su
14:31 diana_coman indeed
14:43 ben_vulpes in other brazen disregardz: https://www.fastcasual.com/news/eeoc-sues-whataburger-over-directive-to-hire-only-white-applicants/
14:45 trinque uh, I can show anyone to a number of whataburgers that are black as hell
14:48 mircea_popescu and in other bwahahahas,
14:48 mircea_popescu !~later tell elaineo wtf is http://sandhill.exchange/being-in-debt-understanding-your-situation/ lol
14:48 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
14:49 ben_vulpes trinque: you figure fabrication on the part of the fired mgr?
14:49 trinque I struggle to remember the last time I saw a white person behind the counter at waterburger
14:51 ben_vulpes i have nfi in re the skin tone makeup of tallahasse
14:51 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what's elaino's connection to that thing?
14:52 mircea_popescu since you ask, https://elaineou.com/2014/10/16/93-male/
14:53 ben_vulpes aaah
14:55 trinque Silicon Valley sexism << baww
14:56 trinque where's that fall on the grab-'em-by-the-pussy continuum?
14:57 mircea_popescu cuntinuum you mean ?
14:57 trinque lol
14:59 mircea_popescu and re sv sexism, from the same source : https://elaineou.com/2014/10/07/100-percent-women/
15:00 * mircea_popescu absolutely doubts wanna-be in the "spam fake acounts" game known as "online dating" actually contains anything but borroed pictures spit-jointed to bad prose written by a (male) grad student somewhere.
15:00 mircea_popescu but then again this is i guess not directly obvious to the aspirational female.
15:02 mircea_popescu the open question, of course, is whether associating with the actually rich, with the flauntingly rich, with the actually poor or with the pretend poor (such as you know, us pantsuit) is the better approach to not-staying-poor.
15:07 * asciilifeform misread : 'flatulently rich'
15:07 mircea_popescu lol
15:08 mircea_popescu it's very problematic, all this. consider the (correctly labeled!) illustration of branson : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/denni-parkinson-nude-richard-branson-island-2050764615.jpg
15:09 mircea_popescu superficially, the dude is doing it right.
15:09 mircea_popescu sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
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15:10 mircea_popescu and self-same boyfriend proposed that prop #1 (his gf, with the tits) sit so and so with prop #2 (his client, with the gray hair) so HIS picture comes out good. which it did.
15:10 mircea_popescu except the photog is not rich. well, not monetarily, anyway.
15:13 mircea_popescu moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like
15:13 mircea_popescu eh wtf's his name, the one who sold some sports entertaining thing to yahoo and has been posturing as "entrepreneur" ever since.
15:14 trinque mark cuban?
15:17 mircea_popescu ty!
15:17 mircea_popescu moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/
15:18 mircea_popescu his contribution to this world is "it's easy to make a small fortune in whatever -- start with a big one".
15:18 mircea_popescu plenty of these all around.
15:18 asciilifeform meanwhile.... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716028 >> we have (1) >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kBS9G/?raw=true << 16sec on standardtestbox
15:18 a111 Logged on 2017-09-20 02:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em 2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
15:18 mircea_popescu so now. what impact does any of this have on ... on who exactly ? denni dun wanna be rich, she wants to have fun.
15:18 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story << I am surprised official story is not about the inequality of heights which provided a priviledged vantage point for shooter
15:19 asciilifeform grr, wrong link, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715696
15:19 a111 Logged on 2017-09-18 23:54 asciilifeform: is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
15:19 mircea_popescu stephane gautronneau doesn't wanna be rich, he just wants to hang out with denni, except impersonally.
15:20 mircea_popescu branson himself doesn't wanna be rich, as proven by the fact that whenever he almost gets rich, he blows it away.
15:20 mircea_popescu so... i guess i'm confused.
15:20 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. << Jason Aldean is a "new country" act. Quarantined from both Country and other post-1990.
15:20 asciilifeform grr comments typo, fixed, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cicCN/?raw=true
15:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo no i know, hence my comments.
15:21 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ftr i had nfi he existed. ( but this is not saying much ) << AHA, Cultural quarantine
15:22 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> apparently pro-trump d00d << And why quarantined. "us vs them" is great marketing
15:22 asciilifeform currently puzzled re why a 25% shave in knuthtron iterations, gives 50% shave of runtime
15:24 asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtdrU/?raw=true << previous ver., for comparison.
15:25 trinque is the whole ffa posted anywhere?
15:25 asciilifeform trinque: a couplea versions ago, i made a tarball for mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al, that demoed 'factorial'
15:25 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJ8uPRqFf0 << for completeness.
15:26 asciilifeform trinque: should be in the l0gz somewhere
15:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a terrible answer.
15:26 asciilifeform i'ma make a new one, 1m
15:29 mircea_popescu o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces.
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15:29 mircea_popescu such wow.
15:30 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways. My suspicion is that this attack is along the lines of the Belleville terrorist who shot Congressional baseball practice claiming he was going to fix the tax brackets. Dude prolly was a pantsuit fan and figured anyone who'd go to "new country" festival is trump voter.
15:30 mircea_popescu devil himself knows not the mind of man.
15:30 asciilifeform trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
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15:30 asciilifeform ( likewise unofficial )
15:30 trinque ah thanks
15:30 asciilifeform note that bitnesses MUST be powers of 2
15:31 asciilifeform ( the karatsubatron now demands it )
15:31 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces. << Meyer was paid bonus to fuck off and disappear
15:31 mircea_popescu myea
15:31 asciilifeform note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array
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15:32 mircea_popescu which is i suppose the moral little girls learn out of watchingt the trade press : your future is as a whore ; will be paid TO LEAVE.
15:32 BingoBoingo And Cuban is in unfortunate position of having to keep his fortune by running his bouncy ball team as a business, while everyone else runs theirs as a hobby
15:33 trinque asciilifeform: I'll give it a crank on the ppc iron I have laying around; I think you requested that at some point
15:33 asciilifeform i did!
15:33 asciilifeform neato trinque
15:33 asciilifeform the main routine of interest is FZ_Mod_Exp .
15:34 asciilifeform ( aka rsa op )
15:34 asciilifeform every other thing in there, is subservient to it.
15:36 asciilifeform trinque: i left the prev. iteration of FZ_Mod in there, commented out. the current one is there.
15:36 asciilifeform mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest .
15:39 diana_coman asciilifeform, thank you!
15:41 asciilifeform i don't know whether it will make sense to keep this version of knuthdivider, after we have barrett ( where there is still 1 division, but now it is ONE per modexp, and not 8192 of'em ! )
15:42 asciilifeform because it IS more complex and harder to read, than the old.
15:42 asciilifeform but i put it here to show that it is possible to cut another 2x time without barrett.
15:43 diana_coman asciilifeform, if you don't mind me asking: why don't you chronicle all of those on your blog (where it would be easier to follow including historically at any point)?
15:43 asciilifeform ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
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15:44 asciilifeform diana_coman: formatting code is a bitch
15:44 asciilifeform and having ~same discussion twice likewise
15:44 diana_coman so upload file + link
15:44 asciilifeform and afaik all of the sane people who ever read my www, are already here.
15:44 diana_coman uhm, why same discussion twice?
15:44 diana_coman can have discussion there in logs or here, reference is still there
15:45 asciilifeform i also do not like giving drafts a permanence they do not deserve
15:45 asciilifeform yes, folx can get ffa snippets from archive.is/l0gz but it is clear that they are drafts.
15:45 asciilifeform the fundamental problem is the one discussed in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
15:46 asciilifeform ( which is about pgp sigs, rather than where to post drafts, but the abstract item is the same -- how to avoid giving false permanence )
15:47 asciilifeform once the thing has a final form, diana_coman , then yes it will go on my www; and with commentary; and potentially on dead tree even.
15:50 mircea_popescu she has a legitimate problem though -- interested parties can't follow the matter in their own time. it's currently push not pull, which is always a bad idea.
15:50 asciilifeform dropping code into ben_vulpes's pastetron is imho a sane way to emphasize, to the point of blood, that IT IS NOT A CODE RELEASE
15:50 mircea_popescu would be much better to have a working pullable infrastructure for your item, than to say this thing can't be pulled
15:51 asciilifeform insistent pullers, who do not follow the l0gz in real time, can go to e.g. https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true
15:51 asciilifeform my main contention is that folks who do not follow the logs, have 0 business with ffa drafts.
15:52 mircea_popescu but the correct form for this would be https://archive.is/http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/$VAR$/?raw=true and where do they get that var ?
15:52 asciilifeform from log
15:52 asciilifeform where else.
15:52 asciilifeform e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721
15:52 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
15:52 mircea_popescu so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ?
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15:52 asciilifeform it's the magically most accurate way !
15:52 asciilifeform better than asciilifeform's meat, in fact, by far
15:53 asciilifeform gives you not only the code, but the discussion.
15:53 asciilifeform the entire context.
15:53 asciilifeform ( not only the discussion it led to, but that led ~to~ it )
15:56 mircea_popescu at this rate we'll end up with metasyntactic. something like introduce @concept as a notation for concepts so they get indexed.
15:56 asciilifeform imho log supplies all of the 'pull' anybody ought to want.
15:56 mircea_popescu say @ffa instead of simply ffa so ppl can !#s "@ffa" and not get junk
15:56 asciilifeform i try to pick names such as will not lead to junk.
15:56 mircea_popescu how long can this last.
15:56 asciilifeform ( are there any extraneous ffa's ? in the log )
15:56 asciilifeform 4evah
15:57 mircea_popescu what if youi say ffa-tronic ?
15:57 asciilifeform that still greps correctly
15:57 mircea_popescu searching for "@ffa" delivers @ffa-tronic, searching for ffa does not.
15:57 asciilifeform sure it does
15:57 asciilifeform ( and if it doesn't, then the search is not-equivalent-to-grep, aka BROKEN )
15:58 diana_coman eh, try searching for.. "p"
15:58 asciilifeform better example.
15:58 asciilifeform eventually we're prolly doomed to do what mircea_popescu described.
15:58 asciilifeform ( if live long enough )
15:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=usg << not so. usg-tronic fails to appear.
15:58 mircea_popescu and wtf, really, !#s p ?
15:58 asciilifeform he has a point.
15:58 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22usg%22
15:59 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes yes, but if you do "ffa" you will get eg hoffa
15:59 ben_vulpes phf's log search has a bifurcative behavior on the quotes
15:59 asciilifeform " ffa"
15:59 ben_vulpes heh
15:59 mircea_popescu so then make space the @ ? this is stupid, space is alreadfy semantically loaded.
15:59 asciilifeform but yeah i agree, this is orcism, and @ or the like is the Right Thing
16:00 mircea_popescu anyway, open for discussion, at least a while yet.
16:00 trinque twitter kids and their hashtags aren't "wrong" so much as that they have nothing at all to say.
16:00 mircea_popescu but it can'tself-standardize so everyone ends up with his own metasyntactic system
16:01 trinque alternatively could be said that the log viewers ought to implement an annotation layer above the text
16:02 asciilifeform trinque: log viewer naturally oughta support it. but without a marker, it cannot work
16:02 asciilifeform i'm satisfied that plain search dun cut it.
16:02 mircea_popescu trinque amusingly hanbot was working on something in this vein
16:03 mircea_popescu but turn it as you will, auctorial adnotation is very hard to beat.
16:03 trinque asciilifeform: can totally work as a separate datastructure from logs, or in-band.
16:03 mircea_popescu !!balance
16:03 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0cXK/?raw=true
16:04 asciilifeform trinque: why would you want to annotate out of band ?!!
16:05 trinque wtf is hypertext exactly?
16:05 asciilifeform the raw text is the only thing all logtrons ( and viewers elsewhere ) automatically get in sync
16:05 asciilifeform it and only it, is the canonical material.
16:05 trinque it's in no way self-evident that this MUST BE IN LOGS
16:06 trinque how are you going to go back and annotate once a conversation diverges into an interesting topic
16:06 asciilifeform if it dun belong in the logs, it possibly dun belong anywhere
16:06 trinque or what of the ancient logs
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16:06 asciilifeform trinque: 1 possibility is to make annotation 'contagious', sorta like phf's back-arrows
16:07 asciilifeform say i want to 'infect' the line http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719816 , now if i include @ffa it will apply likewise to it.
16:07 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 20:06 trinque: or what of the ancient logs
16:07 trinque was a great idea but now you've buggered it up!
16:07 trinque lol, nah, that does make sense.
16:08 asciilifeform i'm not currently sold that it is great idea. but there might not be a better one.
16:08 asciilifeform 'in-house' annotations that will fall off the net if a particular logviewtron dies, are imho the Wrong Thing.
16:09 asciilifeform let there be 1 text.
16:11 trinque possibly the thing is a standard log reference format, path part of the URL. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02?l=1719816&re=logging
16:12 trinque then it's both in the logs, and the logger can do something interesting with it, if it can.
16:12 asciilifeform imho it is much easier on human eye to say, e.g., @ffa
16:12 asciilifeform esp. if i want to mention >1 tag
16:12 asciilifeform ( how many log urls can you even fit in a line of log.. )
16:25 mircea_popescu yeah, demanding anchors for our irc clients is tempting (i know many times i want to give my words as trilema refs directly, like say above cuban), but i suspect not so smart.
16:25 mircea_popescu destroys the whole flow of typed text.
16:26 asciilifeform the @ thing is imho the Right Thing tho
16:26 asciilifeform it dun have much of a practical cost
16:26 mircea_popescu are we actually using @ ?
16:26 mircea_popescu !#s "@"
16:26 a111 344559 results for "\"@\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%40%22
16:26 mircea_popescu holy hell.
16:27 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1718993 << turns out noobs tend to paste it in
16:27 a111 Logged on 2017-10-01 03:31 elaineo: @mircea_popescu having never worked in finance, i suppose i'll take your word for it, for now
16:27 asciilifeform !#s "%"
16:27 a111 17337 results for "\"%\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%25%22
16:27 mircea_popescu !#s "&"
16:27 a111 8790 results for "\"&\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%26%22
16:27 asciilifeform !#s "^"
16:27 a111 10028 results for "\"^\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%5E%22
16:27 mircea_popescu !#s "$"
16:27 a111 14824 results for "\"$\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22$%22
16:27 mircea_popescu & ?
16:27 davout ç
16:27 mircea_popescu though that means fucking and.
16:27 asciilifeform $ is nogood , already used in ancient search cmd
16:27 mircea_popescu ((())) ?
16:28 asciilifeform davout: if ç then just as well ы
16:28 mircea_popescu in fact, do we want it unterminated ?
16:28 davout §
16:28 mircea_popescu davout something i can type plox ty.
16:28 asciilifeform ^
16:28 asciilifeform ( and oh hey another one we've already usedup )
16:28 mircea_popescu !#s "<"
16:28 a111 69146 results for "\"<\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%3C%22
16:29 asciilifeform !#s "_"
16:29 a111 103700 results for "\"_\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22_%22
16:29 asciilifeform !#s "`"
16:29 a111 7916 results for "\"`\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%60%22
16:29 davout this is going to end up in #trilema reinventing the semantic web
16:29 mircea_popescu seems that way dunnit.
16:29 asciilifeform oh hey backtick lookin' to be the champ
16:29 asciilifeform ( in least-falsehits )
16:29 mircea_popescu so i would say `ffa` ? or `ffa ?
16:29 asciilifeform `ffa`.
16:29 mircea_popescu so then is `ffa`-tronic or `ffa-tronic` ?
16:30 asciilifeform imho ideally the latter.
16:30 mircea_popescu but the former is strictly correct
16:30 mircea_popescu what do we do to people who spam it ? and most importantly, how ?
16:31 asciilifeform failing to use correct syntax is own punishment -- you later have to sit like asciilifeform and answer q's re old threads that instead machine could've been answering
16:31 mircea_popescu what happens if rando starts loading up "your" concept with bs ?
16:31 asciilifeform what voicetron is for, neh
16:31 mircea_popescu i suppose the from:x is directly suited for this
16:31 asciilifeform and yes.
16:32 mircea_popescu speaking of which, phf can i have notfrom:x as well ?
16:32 asciilifeform ^^^
16:32 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also.
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16:33 asciilifeform re the separators, imho only whole alpha words oughta be tags
16:33 mircea_popescu so then `ffa`-tronic not `ffa-tronic`
16:33 asciilifeform so `ffa-tronic resolves to ffa
16:33 asciilifeform and so does `ffa , `ffa-ism
16:34 asciilifeform imho modifier does not belong in a tag.
16:34 asciilifeform ( that road leads to livejournal. )
16:36 asciilifeform so proposed formula is, ` initiates, any non- A-Za-z character, breaks , a tag.
16:36 asciilifeform incl. space.
16:36 mircea_popescu this is convenient seeing how not having to terminate is a + imo
16:36 asciilifeform ( latin only, also. i can live with latinized orcisms on occasion )
16:36 mircea_popescu but... `cr8 is cr or cr8 ?
16:37 asciilifeform it'd be cr.
16:37 asciilifeform make a case for needing 8 in a tag ?
16:37 * asciilifeform can think of a few
16:37 mircea_popescu `gossipdv3
16:37 asciilifeform x86.
16:37 asciilifeform aite, A-Za-z0-9
16:39 mircea_popescu nothing wrong with having both `stalin and `cтaлин if anyone can be arsed with that.
16:39 mircea_popescu `ჯუღაშვილი lol
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17:00 diana_coman !#s "|"
17:00 a111 20019 results for "\"|\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%7C%22
17:01 mircea_popescu diana_coman nah that's bash semantically meaningful
17:01 diana_coman myeah; and search shows it basically as separator
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18:42 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719882 << what's wrong with?
18:42 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 20:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aascii+from%3Amircea+hurr << also.
18:44 phf also can definitely add notfrom: i almost think it should be there already as exclude or filter or somesuch
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19:11 BingoBoingo https://identitydixie.com/2017/10/02/the-kangs-geld-and-the-coming-reckoning/
19:23 cruciform !~later tell danielpbarron FGs arrived - tyvm!
19:23 jhvh1 cruciform: The operation succeeded.
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19:39 ag3nt_zer0 hello trilema
19:44 ag3nt_zer0 following the guide for trb node creation, in making sure i have correct packages and binaries, seems everything is fine but "sha512sum" read package lists, built dep. tree, read state info, and then says: E: Unable to locate package sha512sum - is this going to create problems and if so how might i fix?
19:47 shinohai ag3nt_zer0: what 'nix are you using?
19:47 ag3nt_zer0 ubuntu 14.04
19:48 ag3nt_zer0 sup shinohai :)
19:48 shinohai That sgould be included in the core-utils package
19:48 shinohai nm here just chillin, you?
19:49 shinohai (So i am guessing an `apt-get install core-utils` should hook you up.)
19:49 ag3nt_zer0 yeah hmmm as i went through the required stuff listed on trb node setup page, all of them said "______ is already the newest version"... all except the sha512sum
19:49 ag3nt_zer0 ok will try that
19:51 shinohai General rule is when getting a "E: Unable to locate package" msg in Ubuntu/Deb is to do an apt-cache search for said package.
19:51 ag3nt_zer0 same man... been workin a bunch thats about it
19:51 ag3nt_zer0 apt-cache search got it! ty
19:58 ag3nt_zer0 looking at this vegas shit...
19:58 ag3nt_zer0 nationalist gun grab?
20:00 mod6 they'll prolly try
20:10 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , whoever else was tuned in for ffa ^^^ latest . << got it, thanks!
20:21 ag3nt_zer0 shinohai strange.. "apt-get install core-utils" yields same "E: unable to locate package"
20:25 mod6 try 'coreutils'
20:26 mod6 you can also do things like: `apt-cache search yourstringhere`
20:38 * hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
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20:46 lobbes heh meta-phishing. "Learn to spot phishing attempts. Click here for 10 great examples!1!"
20:47 lobbes !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00100800 http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
20:47 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M5dKx/?raw=true
20:47 lobbes !!v 7BDD86FD1E526E11FAD264A440EA212CE3333034AF41544984D4AC63819F4B31
20:47 deedbot Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00100800 << http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt
20:47 lobbes sweet!
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21:57 asciilifeform meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
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21:59 asciilifeform '“Who should have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks?” is a trick question. No one should. Period. Because DDOS attacks shouldn’t happen. They definitely shouldn’t be several orders of magnitude easier and cheaper to launch than they are to defend against. But “should” and “is” are miles apart, and we have to take the world as it is, not as it should be. So who does have to pay for protection from DDOS attacks? E
21:59 asciilifeform veryone.'
22:03 asciilifeform though on upside they take btc nao...
22:03 asciilifeform ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
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22:13 asciilifeform ( lol stike the nooseitem re their btc: -- is circa 2015. )
22:15 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?
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22:15 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
22:16 asciilifeform why HAVE a yahoo acct ?!!
22:16 asciilifeform what pleasures am i missing in one..?
22:28 mircea_popescu http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt << is this supposed to be 404 trinque ?
22:28 mircea_popescu phf that it only gives from the later parameter
22:29 mircea_popescu omfg it doesn't ?! just sheer concidence ?
22:29 * mircea_popescu awed.
22:29 trinque mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-27#1717788 << new IP
22:29 a111 Logged on 2017-09-27 06:21 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akPqa/?raw=true << The IP address for deedbot.org and wot.deedbot.org shall be 45.32.123.240 from block 487154 until further notice.
22:29 mircea_popescu oh. sorry.
22:29 trinque m[
22:29 trinque *np
22:30 mod6 trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
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22:31 trinque nope, node remains at that IP.
22:31 mod6 ah, ok thx.
22:31 mircea_popescu !!received-invoices
22:31 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1H86/?raw=true
22:34 mircea_popescu !!pay-invoice lobbes 1
22:34 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZCreA/?raw=true
22:34 mircea_popescu !!v 5DAAA44B71955F14EB7E3934961B02394EC02C170B56BF1CDD23EE972D996F11
22:34 deedbot mircea_popescu paid lobbes invoice 1
22:34 mircea_popescu !!balance
22:34 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gDtct/?raw=true
22:35 mircea_popescu !!received-invoices
22:35 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9cvN1/?raw=true
22:37 mircea_popescu trinque add pipe between "cancelled at" and "rejected at" fields when nil ?
22:38 mircea_popescu lobbes didja get it ?
22:38 trinque formatting goof in there? I'll take a look
22:38 mircea_popescu just omits a pipe separating the last two nils
22:39 trinque sure, will fix
22:43 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.
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22:43 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 00:38 hanbot goes abroad for a week, neglects yahoo inbox (srsly), comes back to knee-deep ethereum spam (incloods both phishing and meta-phishing!)
22:43 mircea_popescu iirc this was even broken on ro trilema at some ancient point, to usual chorus of "but what proof do you have this proof you have is proofing" and other theguardianisms.
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22:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
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22:45 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile in ddosistan, https://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2017/09/25/significant-pricing-updates-are-coming-soon << lulzy 'ugh, that thing for which we were famous ? can't do no moar, and hey wouldja like to pay 5x more for less'
22:46 mircea_popescu that said, 50 cents a day is pretty lulz.
22:47 mircea_popescu asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
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22:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719943 << scarce consolation, so he yielded on btc so as to not yield on "must be in trilema" anyway ?
22:49 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:03 asciilifeform: ( recall , mircea_popescu , the angry answer from d00d, 'we will never', etc. ? )
22:57 mircea_popescu "Since 2006, we’ve used the services of a third-party company to offer domain registration. That worked out really well for many years. Then, in 2014, that company was acquired by another, much larger, company. Its new parent owns a large number of other hosting companies that compete directly with us." <<< heh. i suspect it's exactly http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-regist
22:57 mircea_popescu rar/
22:57 mircea_popescu actually, i'm pretty sure it is.
22:59 hanbot http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719945 << felt a lot more like I was *in* the nuke waste drum! panama sux ftr, no idea why anyone outside of maaaaybe overspecialized ornithologists profess to like it. anyway, i have a yahoo account so other people don't have to. zero endorsements intended.
22:59 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << lol didja also neglect the scorpion pit and the nuke waste drums ?
23:01 asciilifeform hanbot: i've nfi why anybody hasto.
23:01 * trinque ran his own postfix shitstack for a while, no point
23:01 asciilifeform and pama suxx, though i've only set foot into/out of plane there, it has humidity like dc, and presumably year round
23:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you have any idea what yahoo mail penetration is among 3rd world whores ?
23:01 asciilifeform trinque: believe or not, i still run one, i have eternal and ancient evils relying on it
23:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nfi but ain't it an emailtron, can't other types speak with it..?
23:02 mircea_popescu ahahahaha
23:02 asciilifeform ...or is it an aolism
23:02 mircea_popescu what are you, like from the future ?
23:02 asciilifeform lol aolism then
23:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719976 << google's ~entire businessmodel neh
23:03 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719932 << pretty sure yahoo mail actually sells inbox access to spammers, message keywords and all.
23:03 mircea_popescu email interoperation is from a time in the 2020s as they appeared to come in 1980s.
23:03 asciilifeform ( back when it has 'business model' other than simple 'tbtf' usgonics )
23:03 mircea_popescu not as they actually came.
23:03 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719982 << i have nfi what is a raus, hearing of it for 1st time
23:03 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is a RAUS anyway ?
23:04 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly, having read this thing you linked i actually come to like the guy, whoever he is. why the fuck isn't he in the wot ? dja have a contact ?
23:05 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979 << gotta appreciate this peculiar fact : asciilifeform used nfs co. service since 2007. not misprint : a decade sharp as of a few mo. ago. with ZERO MAINTENANCE and ZERO hassle and ~zero downtime and laughed at GB/s ddoses and do i have to go on ?
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23:05 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
23:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc you wrote to him, he said something like 'eh who are you, snoar'
23:05 mircea_popescu schmuck.
23:05 asciilifeform i dun think i've ever used any subscription-anything where i was as satisfied was with nfsco.
23:05 mircea_popescu recall that other turdhead, what was his name, "oh i r big deal, who are you" in 2012 or when was it, then in 2014 "oh, please talk to me ?"
23:06 asciilifeform not telco, not fucking magazines, nothing.
23:06 asciilifeform when it finally rots to unusability -- and it will -- it will be an epic sad to asciilifeform .
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23:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope?
23:06 mircea_popescu eh let's fish it out
23:08 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-fail-the-scott-locklin-method/
23:09 asciilifeform where was the 'talk to me' piece
23:09 asciilifeform i dun remember d00d repenting
23:10 mircea_popescu there's a 2012 and a 2013 installment.
23:10 mircea_popescu and no, idiots don't repent, that's part of being an idiot.
23:11 mircea_popescu heck, max keiser still thinks he's "got insights" neh ? and whatever, "bitcoin cash is still around"
23:11 asciilifeform so what exactly in 2014
23:12 asciilifeform afaik all of these folx are happy to this day on their alt-planets
23:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform "Date: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 AM [snipped idiocy] someone is paying me to look at your exchange. Can you [snipped idiocy] "
23:12 asciilifeform ohey lol
23:12 asciilifeform was this in the log?
23:13 mircea_popescu and yeah, totally, i'm sure they're happy. an sept 2 investment in bch would have brought... o look, under 0.095 now!... what is this, 60% loss ?
23:13 asciilifeform oh nm it was in linked trilema
23:13 mircea_popescu except 100% cuz leveraged, ofcouars ?
23:14 asciilifeform ha shitanic finally sinking innit.
23:14 mircea_popescu o, no. it's... happy
23:14 mircea_popescu sinking into happiness heh.
23:15 asciilifeform ain't as if the chumpatron ops are losing own money
23:15 mircea_popescu who's to know.
23:16 mircea_popescu but yes, in principle a chumpatron op shouldn't be losing money, seeing how they translate into reality an ideal good : the disenfranchising of idiots.
23:20 asciilifeform !~later tell mod6 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719958 << plox to remove the deceased dulap, 46.166.165.30 . and also note that 108.31.170.49 ( zoolag ) is at 382k and will remain useless as a public node for some weeks.
23:20 a111 Logged on 2017-10-03 02:30 mod6: trinque: do i need to change the one listed here then? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
23:20 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
23:22 mod6 want me to take them both off the list then?
23:23 asciilifeform prolly best.
23:23 mod6 Okay, update me when either or both are back in action.
23:23 mircea_popescu eh isn't that exaggerate ? it's a node, what. keep adjusting weekly ?
23:23 asciilifeform ( a 382k node will do no one any good, it spends 95%+ of time blackholed )
23:23 asciilifeform it's almost exactly same as a dead box.
23:23 mircea_popescu mk.
23:24 asciilifeform asciilifeform is, for the time being, nodeless.
23:24 mod6 Done.
23:25 asciilifeform ( remember, an unsynced trb node rejects ~ALL tx )
23:27 * asciilifeform bbl
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23:44 mircea_popescu fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png
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23:49 mircea_popescu pretty entertaining shit, too. "Just spent an hour+ listening to @NETGEAR ProSafe support condescendingly claim a feature w/ an entire chapter in the manual doesn't exist. Finally made them download manual off their own site. "Huh. We'll try to get somebody who's heard of this to call you back… eventually." or, "Just had @MariaDB decline to give me a quote for @nfsn. They don’t deal with “staff” & say I’m too busy
23:49 mircea_popescu & hard to reach to be in management. Also, their support offerings are so complex they’re “afraid” of “a great deal of misinterpretation” if they write them down."
23:59 mircea_popescu and in other lulz, dood's possibly been around for longer than the internets.
00:00 mircea_popescu "The term "spam" came into broad use shortly after a famous incident on 12 April 1994. Canter and Siegel unleashed the first mega-spam against Usenet. (Cantor had done local, mini-spams before; he was now going international.) Canter spammed almost 6,000 groups in less than 90 minutes through an Internet Direct account (an Arizona Internet provider). The post was a C&S ad for the U.S. "Green Card lottery" -- a chance for non-
00:00 mircea_popescu Americans to enter a very low-odds US-work-permit raffle. Jeff Wheelhouse, sysadmin for Internet Direct, was soon bombed into oblivion by world-wide complaints. He told the New York Times this caused Internet Direct computers to crash at least 15 times -- "that's when we stopped counting." Canter soon appeared on CNN's Sonya Live. Interestingly, spam was viewed as an innovation by Sonya, who hailed Canter as a Business Pionee
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