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00:41 mircea_popescu meanwhile in crazy coincidences : speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896828 trilema commenters dug out.... well, there was this antique trilema hater / goffy ununderstood soul / fellow with talent & issues that kept deleting his blog (only to resurect it periodically). well, in this 5th or 9th or whatever resurected phase, what is he writing about YESTERDAY if not... https://ludditus.com/2019/02/10/nostalgia-fun-w
00:41 a111 Logged on 2019-02-14 23:45 asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage.
00:41 mircea_popescu ith-calculators/
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01:21 mircea_popescu meanwhile in lulz http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ : bitcoin's still capped at 21mn (pantsuit still claiming this is bad) ; usg's confetti just passed 22... quadrillion or some shit (pantsuit still claiming that 1. it is capped and 2. nothing to be worried about -- not even self-contradiction). http://www.usdebtclock.org/ has some tickers.
01:22 mircea_popescu the fmi is gonna make some austerity recomendations, rite ?
01:24 mircea_popescu aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow
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02:19 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896874 -> pending getting finally ave1's gnat recompiled with sjlj and then running it on smg test server, I'd say switching to sjlj + no handlers is pretty much the only currently available option anyway
02:19 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 02:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ?
02:19 mircea_popescu i guess so.
02:20 diana_coman fwiw yesterday I had in parallel this recompile task going too, but all sorts of stuff going with it so it's still ongoing (and apparently I'll have afterwards to write-it up as well, on top of the sjlj data )
02:21 mircea_popescu aha.
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08:13 BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896880 << That slow walk to "weather instability" as their new buzzword
08:13 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 06:24 mircea_popescu: aaand also meanwhile, but this time in http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/ lulz : https://weather.com/news/news/2019-02-11-hawaii-storm-record-cold-maui-snow
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09:23 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/02/jeff-bezos-stops-plans-for-second-amazon-headquarters-in-new-york/ << Qntra -- Jeff Bezos Stops Plans For Second Amazon Headquarters In New York
09:33 diana_coman oh boy: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OIR1B/?raw=true
09:34 * diana_coman doesn't yet know wtf that is exactly - will go and dig
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10:05 BingoBoingo And it comes out GNAT has never been tested before to the extent the Republic is testing it
10:10 mircea_popescu except that's WHAT FUCKING WEATHER MEANS.
10:10 mircea_popescu when the fuck is weather ~stable~ ? maybe in sahara.
10:10 mircea_popescu first "global warming", that didn't pan out, then "climate change", that also didn't pan out, now it's "nothing in particular" and i'm supposed to take them seriously ?
10:11 mircea_popescu beat the wives more.
10:15 BingoBoingo They gotta sell their Pol Pot plan for stability somehow.
10:17 mircea_popescu totally.
10:19 mircea_popescu nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to.
10:20 mircea_popescu as a smart woman once said, "to have fun you need to organize it". i know, cuz i wrote her.
10:22 mircea_popescu (for thread completness : dood's a "crypto skeptic" for the simple reason that i told 'em to get in back in 2011, when ro speakers were going through a phase of our-homegoat-just-as-good-as-mp's-mercedes, and so of course they "knew better" then. romanians are dumb enough to get locked into these permamently, just like any other rural morons.)
10:22 mircea_popescu needless to say... there's a lohohohohooot of these.
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10:51 * asciilifeform looked at linked www, seems to have.. buncha reviews of winblowz av!! who the fuck ~collects~ winblows av?!
10:52 diana_coman socialists?
10:52 asciilifeform ( aside from pro virii-bakers , for tests. but d00d dun seem to be 1 of ~these~ )
10:53 asciilifeform i didn't even see any mention of 'crypto', other than a 2017 piece where he gripes about uninvited js minerism
10:53 asciilifeform ( presumably he deleted ? )
11:05 asciilifeform diana_coman: 'Error detected around a-calend.adb:801:11' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fCaiF/?raw=true << is there any chance yer clock is off ?
11:05 asciilifeform ( or moved during the build ?? )
11:06 diana_coman asciilifeform, certainly not moved during the build; it says 16:34 gmt now so doubt it's a problem
11:07 asciilifeform the 2nd eggog is also a constraint eggog, thrown in bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YUqze/?raw=true
11:07 asciilifeform hrm.
11:07 diana_coman but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf
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11:08 asciilifeform clear so far; but not why
11:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: plox to briefly describe how you set up this build, so i can replicate locally
11:10 BingoBoingo !!rate cazalla 1 Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste
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11:10 * asciilifeform brb, tea
11:10 BingoBoingo !!v EAADE283F871C8A1FB63719F0509FAE74A77977833D27676959EDE9795B4620C
11:10 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of cazalla from 8 to 1 << Qntra editor emiritus presently making tracks in the trackless waste
11:11 BingoBoingo !!rate mod6 4 TRB, Pizarro, testing of things
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11:12 diana_coman hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken ; anyways, it's with http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh ; set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place
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11:12 BingoBoingo !!v 8259D8A47353C666238F664566D3E65C89A5AE414FA502AAA633DA3BDD618A5B
11:12 deedbot BingoBoingo rated mod6 4 << TRB, Pizarro, testing of things
11:12 diana_coman exorted makeopts and then run the build-ada.sh in short
11:13 diana_coman anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/
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11:14 diana_coman at least to have some idea if the move to gcc that builds static only has to do with it
11:16 diana_coman for sanity I just checked by the way that the exact same machine DOES in fact build successfully GNAT with those same scripts without the sjlj added requirement
11:28 * diana_coman will bbl
11:28 * BingoBoingo about to do WoT cleanup
11:28 BingoBoingo !!unrate diatonic
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11:29 BingoBoingo !!rate dignork -1 found an opportunity to make a useful thing, long missing in action
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11:30 BingoBoingo !!v 455F5858441BC274AC14419F3FB5031C6702D1DF993BF1B02BF5AE9595338645
11:30 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of dignork from 1 to -1 << found an opportunity to make a useful thing, long missing in action
11:30 BingoBoingo !!unrate doctorbtc
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11:31 BingoBoingo !!rate douchebag -2 Ate time, got dismissed
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11:31 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of douchebag from 1 to -2 << Ate time, got dismissed
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11:32 BingoBoingo !!rate heysteve -1 Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way
11:35 BingoBoingo !!rate heysteve -1 Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way
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11:36 BingoBoingo !!v 6CFF779F9723C134979FBA8CE3A51E23558A8B39E351DB40A594C437896F9065
11:36 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of heysteve from 1 to -1 << Did a thing with words, ended up going the other way
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11:37 BingoBoingo !!rate irdial -1 loud, introduced to the future, ended up going the other way
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11:37 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of irdial from 1 to -1 << loud, introduced to the future, ended up going the other way
11:38 BingoBoingo !!rate jborkl_ 1 wrote, probably making tracks in the trackless waste
11:39 BingoBoingo !!rate jonvaage -1 received loan of #b-a +v, se fue
11:39 BingoBoingo !!rate jonvaage -1 received loan of #b-a +v, se fue
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11:40 BingoBoingo !!v 1AD0616DB515AED5B64F8A183FBC2570A58AA7681DC594E23D65853957B48BB0
11:40 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of jonvaage from 1 to -1 << received loan of #b-a +v, se fue
11:40 BingoBoingo !!rate mike_c -1 Made good things, disappeared, appears to have ended up going the other way
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11:41 BingoBoingo !!v 7A4A8BB0069456114E383E44192D1658FBC43DC59F3235958419CD4F43EC3D80
11:41 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of mike_c from 1 to -1 << Made good things, disappeared, appears to have ended up going the other way
11:41 BingoBoingo !!rate pete_dushenski 1 Canadian lifestyle blogger, Embracing the icy north of a peripheral Pantsuit land, a trackful wast
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11:42 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of pete_dushenski from 1 to 1 << Canadian lifestyle blogger, Embracing the icy north of a peripheral Pantsuit land, a trackful wast
11:42 BingoBoingo !!rate pinkposixpxe 1 wrote text for qntra, disappeared
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11:42 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of pinkposixpxe from 1 to 1 << wrote text for qntra, disappeared
11:43 mircea_popescu asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you.
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11:43 mircea_popescu imo very typical of the sort of braindamage involved.
11:43 BingoBoingo !!unrate punkman
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11:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896912 << fucking hell...
11:44 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 16:07 diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf
11:44 BingoBoingo !!v 7D61D65A32F8424C4936F4BE7665F7BD3B385F1C375A9896C0C572096DD35521
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11:44 BingoBoingo !!rate simonpenner -1 Introduced to the future, ended up going the other way
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11:45 mircea_popescu does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!"
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11:45 BingoBoingo !!v AE4B9D3879A60471130979CCF0D12885D9996338C981C2BB4169B586E35EAA1B
11:45 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of simonpenner from 1 to -1 << Introduced to the future, ended up going the other way
11:45 BingoBoingo !!rate thickasthieves -1 The Real Altcoin's Mother, disappeared after receiving criticism in Trilema blog comments, additionally something, something NEOBEE
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11:46 BingoBoingo !!v 8FBCFDA6275770168C679ECBF22102C1FAA7C698D955F5350EA931D5AABCB480
11:46 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of thickasthieves from 1 to -1 << The Real Altcoin's Mother, disappeared after receiving criticism in Trilema blog comments, additionally something, something NEOBEE
11:46 BingoBoingo !!unrate xanthyos
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11:48 BingoBoingo !!v !!rate copypaste -1 Introduced to the future, ended up rolling the other way
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11:48 deedbot BingoBoingo updated rating of copypaste from 1 to -1 << Introduced to the future, ended up rolling the other way
11:51 BingoBoingo !!rate ragnardanneskjol -5 Professed to do something, Ate substantial time over several years, if he crawls back out of his whole consider him a navigational hazard who will eat any time you offer him and further waste anytime you spend expecting him to deliver
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11:51 BingoBoingo !!v EA312C58C5DFDBAAA93BABAD6ECB87B51D16F804D527B9613700F3E21A31F3BC
11:51 deedbot BingoBoingo rated ragnardanneskjol -5 << Professed to do something, Ate substantial time over several years, if he crawls back out of his whole consider him a navigational hazard who will eat any time you offer him and further waste anytime you spend expecting him to deliver
11:51 BingoBoingo That ends this round of ratings updates
12:05 asciilifeform ohey BingoBoingo cleaned house
12:06 BingoBoingo There's other cuts top meditate on
12:06 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896982 << the... 'smarter' ( i hesitate to use this word, perhaps 'less retarded..' ? ) winblows folx, long ago threw out av..
12:06 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 16:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you.
12:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896996 << if there exists somewhere a 800+kLoc proggy that ~aint~ a tower o'shit, i have yet to see or even hear of it
12:08 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 16:45 mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!"
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12:45 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf
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12:45 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 16:13 diana_coman: anyways, I'll try presently ave1's previous version i.e. http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support/
12:46 diana_coman mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity
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12:46 diana_coman paging ave1 - do you have any idea re compiling GNAT with musl WITH sjlj? see thread above
12:50 diana_coman uhm, and ave1's blog thinks I'm a spammer and won't let me comment...
12:51 PeterL bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again?
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13:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: i notice you were building 'aarch64' ? this was on rk ?
13:24 asciilifeform diana_coman: were you attempting to build ~x64~ gnat on this ? ftr i was never able to ( with classic zxc variant, this was long before the current thread )
13:28 asciilifeform ( 'move_insn' seems to be the peephole optimizer on back end. i gotta wonder if it ended up being fed a x64 .o by the linker, and choked on ~that~ )
13:30 asciilifeform the choke point is an assert, seen at bottom of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8yKzH/?raw=true snippet
13:31 diana_coman asciilifeform, this was on smg machine; same machine that in same setup just without "--enable-sjlj" option builds the gnat perfectly fine
13:32 asciilifeform hm then why aarch64 ?
13:32 * diana_coman looks
13:32 asciilifeform | GPL 2016 (20160515-49) (aarch64-linux-musl) GCC error: |
13:32 asciilifeform | in move_insn, at haifa-sched.c:5179
13:32 asciilifeform ^ from diana_coman's pastebarf
13:33 asciilifeform aarch64 == arm64, that's the ave1-baked rk gnat
13:34 diana_coman hm, do you mean to say it's because/while it tries to build the one for arm?
13:34 diana_coman because no, the one installed on the machine and used for the scripts is adacore's
13:34 diana_coman but obv during the build, it tries to build for all archs
13:35 asciilifeform see what happens if you snip out the aarch64 build ( whether chokes same when building x64 gnat )
13:35 diana_coman makes sense, will try
13:36 asciilifeform this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64.
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13:37 diana_coman ofc it's still a bug; but one step forward in figuring out something of this is still useful
13:37 diana_coman and yes, I am currently mainly interested in x64
13:38 asciilifeform rright, so lessee if its a gnat bug per se , or only in arm backend.
13:41 BingoBoingo <PeterL> bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again? << Next month, I will start at 500 WFF again
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14:14 asciilifeform diana_coman et al : https://archive.is/VP9aF << suggests that sjlj is borked on arm
14:14 asciilifeform ( note btw that sjlj on backend is a gcc pheature, rather than particular to gnat -- tho gnat naturally has hooks for it, when in use )
14:15 asciilifeform for the l0gz, the horse's mouth :
14:15 asciilifeform 'Fabian Vogt 2014-12-12 15:30:53 UTC If sjlj exceptions are not supported for ARM, shouldn't the configure option be invalid for ARM or at least print a warning? If an option does exist and it simply crashes the compiler during make, it's definitely broken and must be removed.'
14:15 asciilifeform 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.'
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14:16 asciilifeform i.e. maintainer loudly an' abundantly shat from mouth when asked 'wtf'
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14:54 diana_coman oh hm, on the + it seems at least so far the trouble is indeed on arm only; on the big minus, it seems though that the switch I used is not enough in fact i.e. the result still does not have sjlj rts; so I still need to see what exactly it wants to actually build the sjlj rts too
14:57 asciilifeform diana_coman: how didja build, --enable-sjlj-exceptions ?
14:57 diana_coman yes
14:57 diana_coman if you mean re gnat
14:57 asciilifeform aha
14:58 asciilifeform iirc ave1's builder is a 2-step thing, so gotta make sure it gets enabled for both
14:58 diana_coman that's the switch I gave it; let me check in the log too to make sure I didn't dream I actually saw it in there (but for that matter if it didn't, it wouldn't have barfed)
14:58 diana_coman for the bootstrapper you mean?
14:58 asciilifeform right
15:02 diana_coman darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat
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15:02 diana_coman oh joy
15:02 asciilifeform as i guessed , ha
15:03 asciilifeform after this you oughta get a sjljistic ave1 gnat.
15:04 diana_coman mk, so I'll add then: GCC_BOOTSTRAP_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions"
15:04 diana_coman GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions"
15:05 diana_coman but I suspect this is not the end of it because the bootstrap will want additional stuff that it probably doesn't yet have set to have etc
15:05 asciilifeform fastest way to find out is prolly to fire it, like-so
15:06 asciilifeform diana_coman: how long do these take to grind on your box btw ?
15:06 asciilifeform make sure you enabled -jXXX or what was it, to use all cores
15:07 asciilifeform (when building)
15:07 diana_coman full you mean? I didn't time it, more usual left it and came back to it done, but from scratch ~1hour , possibly a bit more than that (less than 2 though)
15:07 diana_coman that yes, I did and it is using
15:07 asciilifeform aa ok
15:07 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform when did this, forgot, and then wondered why it grunted for whole night )
15:14 diana_coman aha; I remembered the pain from first time when yes, whole night
15:15 diana_coman I've started it now with both flags, let's see
15:18 * diana_coman will bbl
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15:38 * asciilifeform also bbl
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16:29 BingoBoingo In local developments, the local dorks have figured out how to get the motorized app managed kick scooters to work
~ 2 hours 45 minutes ~
19:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897027 << yes, absolutely.
19:15 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 17:45 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf
19:15 mircea_popescu seems we're en route to discover that all gnat builds depend on ~this one bridge build~ that was done by a meanwhile dead graybeard sometime in 2001.
19:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897029 << myeah, eulora suddenly very fucking useful to teh broader community. i have a good mind to add a few months payroll to the goodwill line, because hory shit.
19:26 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 17:46 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity
19:28 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897049 << pretty sure there exist aarch64 sjlj compiled kernels.
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19:28 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 18:36 asciilifeform: this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64.
19:31 mircea_popescu http://archive.is/x8D5k << apparently they STILL have the issue in gcc 8.
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19:32 mircea_popescu ie, gcc broken for long jump on aarch64.
19:32 mircea_popescu "The issue is that the code generated for __builtin_longjmp reads a value for x29 (the frame pointer) from the jmp_buf, but the code generated for __builtin_setjmp doesn't actually write x29 to the jmp_buf, leading to corruption of x29 when a longjmp occurs.
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19:32 mircea_popescu "
19:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i sank several hours into the dig and did not find whether 'worked, then broken' or 'never written'
19:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897094 << if you actually found this kinda thing, plox to link ( this'd mean the former )
19:39 a111 Logged on 2019-02-16 00:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897049 << pretty sure there exist aarch64 sjlj compiled kernels.
19:39 mircea_popescu i can't imagine it was never written, this long jump thing was standardf for a while neh ?
19:39 mircea_popescu im lookin im looking
19:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sjlj ? was 'deprecated' Officially, Only A Terrorist(tm) Would Want, was the flavor i got from the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897058 rotters
19:39 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 19:15 asciilifeform: 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.'
19:41 * asciilifeform finds himself nao also wondering ~what else~ dunwork on arm
19:43 asciilifeform ( e.g., ffa, built yes on arm64 using ave1's system, but it's spartan to the point of starvation featurewise)
19:47 mircea_popescu yes, but also for say mid 90s to maybe 2000something it was the way to do handling neh
19:47 asciilifeform arm64 iirc first released in late obummer reign
19:48 mircea_popescu so you're saying "arm came too late, sjlj already indexed" ?
19:48 asciilifeform 30 October 2012 apparently.
19:49 asciilifeform dig through gnat/gcc sources seems to support hypothesis :
19:49 asciilifeform gcc/common/config/arm/arm-common.c: /* Honor the --enable-sjlj-exceptions configure switch. */
19:50 asciilifeform but nuffin re sjlj in gcc/common/config/aarch64/* .
19:52 mircea_popescu but i mean, eg ida got support for it cca v6 ?
19:52 asciilifeform if arm64 were a completely compat. superset of conventional 'arm7', this would make 0 diff naturally. but seems like it aint
19:53 mircea_popescu hm.
19:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ida6 only ate 32bit arm
19:53 asciilifeform 64 appeared iirc in 6.3 .
19:53 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect this is my problem. i don't mentally distinguish aarch64 from arm correctly.
19:53 asciilifeform they're as diff as x86 an' x64
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19:54 asciilifeform lotsa subtle breakage, cuz the orig wasn't built by thinkin' folx and hence not designed to be 'stretched'
19:56 asciilifeform this might also explain why adacorpse Officially distributes arm7 gnat but not arm8 (64)
19:56 asciilifeform i.e. the latter is pre-alpha quality
20:01 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:03 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897069 << keks.
20:03 a111 Logged on 2019-02-15 20:02 diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat
20:09 * asciilifeform wonders why arm64 even exists, not to mention displaced arm7, cuz afaik you can't actually ~buy~ an arm8 box with >4G of ram in it
20:09 asciilifeform for any price
20:10 asciilifeform iguess you get 64-bit arithmetics.
20:10 asciilifeform but that's pretty much all
20:11 asciilifeform ( arm7 == last 32bit , arm8 == arm64 aka aarch64 in gnutardspeak )
20:12 mircea_popescu yet as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893295 ...
20:12 a111 Logged on 2019-02-06 15:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB.
20:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thread was re mid-2000s lappies. ( i have moar recent ones, which have e.g. 32GB in'em etc )
20:13 * mircea_popescu believes the tb ram arm is one of them http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-01#1891303
20:13 a111 Logged on 2019-02-01 02:08 asciilifeform: or the pumping stations ( unmarked on maps, cuz 'strategic', but quite visible from street )
20:13 mircea_popescu asciilifeform point being, small ram 64 bit not particularly useful.
20:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not even 'tb', but go an' try to find on market arm box of ~any~ description that eats ordinary socketed dimms
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20:13 asciilifeform i found ~one~, chinese, for ~more~ than the cost of serious opteron with complete filling.
20:13 mircea_popescu right ?
20:14 asciilifeform it's outrageous
20:14 asciilifeform afaik nuffin keeps standard dimms from working with arm8, any of'em
20:14 asciilifeform the electricals are exactly same as for the soldered-down crap
20:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i would not go so far as to say 'entirely useless', 2ce the bitness gets you 2ce the rsa speed for same clock.
20:15 asciilifeform but still frustrating.
20:20 mircea_popescu cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy.
20:21 mircea_popescu because FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it dun work worth a shit nor does it do anything, practically speaking. and if it doesn't here, it doesn't re "education" or "politics" or "civil society" or what have you.
20:23 asciilifeform recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624158 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719717
20:23 a111 Logged on 2017-03-10 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624146 << alpha was already half-dead when hp swallowed compaq, in '02. iirc compaq shitburied it in '01 and sold all rights to intel, who proclaimed the arch now known as 'itanic' as its replacement.
20:23 a111 Logged on 2017-10-02 19:29 mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces.
20:24 asciilifeform usg.dept-of-microshit systematically exterminated all the sane archs in late '90s. arm was introduced (from pile of shit 'acorn' in uk) as an 'unprincipled exception' , for pnojeism, which -- try as one might -- dunwork so much on x86 w/ any battery anybody's yet devised
20:25 asciilifeform but as i undertand, arm is permitted to 'just barely work', it Would Not Do (tm) for it to compete with intelism on heavy irons , somehow
20:26 asciilifeform ( leaving aside the fact that it is a shit arch on multiple levels of design, much like x86, only real diff is that it dun come with 35 yrs of legacy crapola )
20:27 asciilifeform for history aficionados, the opening shot of that slaughter was when sgi was usgized and permitted to swallow cray, and shortly after proclaimed that 'crays' henceforth would be made of pentiums
20:27 asciilifeform promptly folded, after pumping remaining moneys into intel pocket
20:28 asciilifeform this killed the (very reasonable) 64bit mips.
20:28 asciilifeform then they proceeded to wipe out alpha , then hp ( also quite reasonable 'pa-risc' 64-bit irons, i had one ) .
20:28 asciilifeform all to try an' prop up the wintel nonsense hegemony.
20:29 asciilifeform note that at the time of death, each and erry one of these archs wiped the floor with intel's offering, esp. per-watt
20:31 asciilifeform usg as early as in 1980s very muchly disliked the existence of multi-vendor high-perf cpu. was too hard to keep from being sold to untermenschen, see.
20:34 asciilifeform phunnily enuff, there is record that chairman of nsa filed an Official protest during the destruction of orig. cray co.
20:35 asciilifeform ( at the time nsa was single largest operator of crays )
20:35 asciilifeform phat lotta good it did, tho.
20:37 asciilifeform idjit squid swallows own tentacle.
20:40 * asciilifeform brb,meat
~ 49 minutes ~
21:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform see, the cardboard "entrepreneurs" don't exist in the us like in the orcistans, as named individuals. they're named... legal persons.
21:30 mircea_popescu but everything works exacrtly the same outside of this one detail, specifically as in http://trilema.com/2018/you-know-who-the-best-us-president-was-how-about-andrew-johnson/#selection-317.267-317.1139
21:32 mircea_popescu so yeah, much like retarded russkis go "oh, we too businessmen, gave $dork state income, now he can buy suit" ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 finest example), the ustards are all "oh, gave computing to wintel, can has tech!!!"
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21:32 a111 Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
21:32 mircea_popescu meanwhile -- no they don't have any tech, much like the zimbuzz dun have music.
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