#trilema | 2019-06-25

Logged on 2019-06-24 23:21 trinque: epic, literally going to fasttrack "IP theft" ~from~ the chinese. Huehue Corp must have good shit.

02:17

the fact that the monkeys are monkeying about ~~~INTELECTUAL PROPERTY~~~ only adds to the unintentional comedy.

02:19

in snake-pit "surprises" since I still have a github account, I just received a notification that a "first-party GitHub" application was recently authorized to access your account; I suppose it's nice of them to notify.

02:20

maybe just there to make sure & be proactive re any unseemly account updates you might make.

02:20

Logged on 2019-05-16 21:39 nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, it shows that people from linkedin viewed my profile and like asciilifeform said, why just delete the company instead of the whole profile

02:24

asciilifeform, past week I was trying to get sjlj to build (also for aarch64)

02:25

going is slow, last try resulted in a crash with a text to contact adacore

02:25

ave1: I remember I got something like that, should be in the logs.

02:26

diana_coman, Thanks, I will look for it (I had problems like these before with other steps last year)

02:29

Development always seems to go backward while I am doing this, until suddenly I see where the problem is.

02:30

ave1: found it but I think it was just precisely how we realised that it's broken on arm http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897027

02:30

Logged on 2019-02-15 17:45 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf

02:32

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919888 -> this is usually precisely my experience too when sorting out some mess.

02:32

Logged on 2019-06-25 06:29 ave1: Development always seems to go backward while I am doing this, until suddenly I see where the problem is.

02:33

Yes, and gcc has lots of these problems

02:34

ave1: anyway, that thread above does have some pointers to what/how we found re sjlj on arm so maybe worth looking at it anyway

02:34

Thank you !

02:35

yw

02:35

As for work, I'm doing more management

02:36

and interviewing people

02:36

huh, any actual people that might even get to register a key , hang out in your castle and help you with some work? :D

02:37

And developing a hate for people that call themselfs software engineers

02:37

Well no, so far 0 good

02:37

Especially the ¨senior¨

02:39

On most resumes, they write experience with ¨AI¨, which consists of 1 course

02:39

and if it's 2 they are senior?

02:39

lol, the course is also from some webshit so not even

02:39

but ofc, they write what they think HR wants to read, what

02:40

trilema.com has this whole category "3 years of experience"

02:40

I have no idea, they seem to not even have read a book

02:41

Yes basically, Junior is 0/2 years, Senior is anyone above 5 or so

02:42

I must say that I got totally fed up precisely with "software engineering" some 10 years ago and I doubt it got anything other than worse meanwhile so no surprise there

02:43

probably I should even feel old, huh.

02:45

I work in an (not software) engineering company, the difference in professionality between software and everything else is large

02:47

And they look up to software

02:50

myeah, sadly I have seen that before over and over again

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03:13

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919900 << gee, you're like the only one /saracsm

03:13

Logged on 2019-06-25 06:37 ave1: And developing a hate for people that call themselfs software engineers

~ 1 hours 21 minutes ~

04:35

anyone remember which trilema i delved into a discussion of the separation of pay / benefit and how it drives up costs ?

04:35

BingoBoingo, ?

~ 30 minutes ~

05:06

feedbot

http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/ << Trilema -- Oslo, that unredeemably sad shithole

~ 3 hours 53 minutes ~

08:59

hola!

09:07

went to Spain?

09:08

lol. nah, still oslo airport, getting the fuck iut of this shithole.

09:09

that picture of the airport cab-queue is quite something

09:12

can you believe that shit ?

09:12

not in the depths of 1987 winter were there such queues for oil/sugar/whatever

09:14

that's pretty much what it instantly made me think of: those bread-queues running around 3 blocks of flats up and down the whole neighbourhood; except I was miserable then even playing while waiting in the queue and I doubt any of those in there was NOT miserable

09:15

by contrast, airport-people seem quite happy to be there, no idea how

09:15

http://archive.is/0bdxh#selection-227.514-227.602 << item. and btw, nobody (as in, the various eaterias) in airport has wifi, because "the airport has wifi". which it does -- i think the whole thing runs off a dial-up modem, i'm getting 5kb/s over here. so much for "internet weks".

09:15

"finally a queue so someone is in charge!!" ?

09:16

all these faggotty fuckfaces in skinny suits, no doubt "software engineers with ai experience" spreading their awareness & concern on subjects and topics on reddit & shithut

09:17

diana_coman, incidentally, that was EARLY. it got way the fuck worse later, so much worse in fact the thing kept spinning on itself. this very placid police officer was patrolling the place, discovered he can't pass... just ... no problem, turned back.

09:18

ahahaha "sewaie" might be the term, could work

09:18

god help them if there's a fire, they'll die like indians.

09:18

behaie, sewaie, tat un drac.

09:18

o dracie, o h'ala h'aia

09:20

incidentally, the food in sweden is TERRIBLE,

09:21

i dunno there exists a place this bad in the world. previously england was my mark of "worst food in the world" ; but london's nothing like oslo.

09:21

in london's just a case of "if you don't specifically seek the good stuff, you'll get crap", like in the us midwest

09:22

in oslo there is no good stuff to seek. none. whole fucking country lives off moldy biscuits, the 1987 romania comparisons are very well supported when it comes to diet.

09:22

s/sweden/norway.

09:22

well, for one thing london benefits from having all sorts of non-english food so it's not that hard to eat good food; for the other, up there in the north there seems to be precious little edible

09:22

half the people here / 100% of the people doing anything are muslim / black.

09:22

however, the problem is one of raw materials, i suspect. because even their ethnic places suck balls.

09:25

fish, reindeer/moose and maybe mushrooms at times or what else (this was my Finland experience)

09:26

there's no fucking rule you can't fly in fresh italian bread ffs. my grocery shop in cr does precisely that.

09:26

and i don't fucking buy it, either, because wtf, the harem bakes. but it's ~good~.

09:27

these cuntheads are supposedly so fucking rich, they're eating worse than half of punjab

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diana_coman bought precisely italian and/or french bread from the shop in cr so can attest - it was fine.

09:27

"oh, a good diet's just not that important to us" "o yeah ? then what the fuck is important to you ?" "multiculturalism!"

09:28

food is a matter of habit too, though; that story with the burnt-food-best-food, what.

09:28

diana_coman, you know... italy is 5 hours away, as compared to 12.

09:28

yep, that's exactly how fucktarded romanians survive in communism : since they never saw anything else anyway... bere ciuc.

09:29

I was quite surprised at that thing - wtf fly bread from italy all the way to cr; I mean: why wouldn't they be able to bake it on the spot and even better at that? it must be easier to fly the grains/flour if anything but other than that ffs it's just flour and water; can even fly water if needed

09:30

nah, they don't klnow how to do it.

09:30

so fly a cook too!

09:30

cook won't come lol. but yes.

09:30

anyway, wrong molds in cr. it's not possible to get sourdough going, for instance.

09:30

this matters, a lot. also can't age cheese there.

09:30

huh, I had no idea ; I assumed you could get the yeast, hm.

09:31

sucks

09:31

nah, it's complicated, has to do with the atmosphere. besides, air transport's ~free, what the fuck do you care, a grosse baguettes weigh twenny lbs, costs a buck

09:31

can't age cheese, can't make wild yeast, wtf

09:31

yes well. tropical forest & biodiversidad. can prolly find a spider to fuck, if patient.

09:32

and a poisonous frog, lol

09:32

(for the modern reader : grosse - twelve dozen items, 144pcs)

09:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919922 << o yeah, forgot to mention -- spent an hour today at polcie station filling in complaint!

09:36

Logged on 2019-06-25 13:08 mp_en_viaje: lol. nah, still oslo airport, getting the fuck iut of this shithole.

09:38

at least there was no queue there - at filling in complaints :D

09:42

yeah, very mild. they don't do the whole preceinct system seen in civilised / urban places. instead the thing ("policehouse") covers... the whole of oslo police district

09:42

it's a large building, with the jail together and everything. but unlike say chicago or w/e, you go therre you don't see the line of cute girlies sobbing quietly seated by the wall ; nor the buncha doods holding their guts

09:43

i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...

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09:43

evidently enough most of their fare's not actually of a police nature, judging by how i passed two filters in five minutes.

09:44

more local admin by the sounds of it

09:44

just about yeah. they have a very... well, social view of police. exactly as dorel visan's character says, "suna lumea la politie ca la un prieten". it

09:44

s basically substitute big brother for most residents.

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10:01

aaanyways, bbl!

~ 49 minutes ~

10:51

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919913 << sorta like the folx who 'looked up to' doctors in 18th c.

10:51

Logged on 2019-06-25 06:47 ave1: And they look up to software

10:54

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919957 << still seems like oughta be cheaper to fly in the mold, than whole thing ?

10:54

Logged on 2019-06-25 13:30 mp_en_viaje: anyway, wrong molds in cr. it's not possible to get sourdough going, for instance.

10:56

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << sounds like ye olde sovok lives there, in full bloom

10:56

Logged on 2019-06-25 13:43 mp_en_viaje: i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...

10:56

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asciilifeform wonders if they have 'прописка' in norway. i.e. where must Officially register place of residence with polizei erry time changing flats

10:59

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919884 << a working gnat for 'mipsel' would also be pretty great. ( i tried at one pt, coupla yrs ago, for 'pic32mx' processor, got stuck on some barf )

10:59

Logged on 2019-06-25 06:24 ave1: asciilifeform, past week I was trying to get sjlj to build (also for aarch64)

11:00

will need one, not only for piz mips cluster, but for eventual hardwarization of peh

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Logged on 2019-06-24 17:27 asciilifeform: it'll defo need review by literate folx before deployment to such things as piz, tho.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?

11:01

Logged on 2019-06-25 13:43 mp_en_viaje: i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...

11:02

not even in saddest airport in usa do folx ~queue for cabs~

11:02

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919928 << found very similar, actually, in panama

11:02

Logged on 2019-06-25 13:15 mp_en_viaje: http://archive.is/0bdxh#selection-227.514-227.602 << item. and btw, nobody (as in, the various eaterias) in airport has wifi, because "the airport has wifi". which it does -- i think the whole thing runs off a dial-up modem, i'm getting 5kb/s over here. so much for "internet weks".

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( ~all flights to BingoBoingostan from usa, go through panama, typically with coupla hrs of sitting )

11:05

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919917 << >> http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 .

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Logged on 2019-06-25 08:35 mp_en_viaje: anyone remember which trilema i delved into a discussion of the separation of pay / benefit and how it drives up costs ?

~ 56 minutes ~

12:01

mp_en_viaje: Would the piece in question happen to be this one? http://trilema.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/

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asciilifeform: There's other ways to BingoBoingostan from USA, but the rest of the options are strictly inferior

12:04

well, inferior, or out of budget ( uboat! )

~ 22 minutes ~

12:26

asciilifeform: There is a direct Miami to Montevideo flight

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asciilifeform believes

12:27

This is LATAM after all

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/06/monitors-report-in-quadracx-bankruptcy-reveals-a-clusterfuck/ << Qntra -- Monitor's Report In QuadraCX Bankruptcy Reveals A Clusterfuck

13:01

Meanwhile in local news, the local government is appealing the ruling that said they have to sell the Graff Spee Eagle

13:03

And in the perpetual Oslogentina https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/h-m-vendera-en-argentina-excedentes-de-stock-de-otros-mercados-201962512193 << Same day as http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-149.0-155.86

13:03

Puffy shirts all the way down

~ 18 minutes ~

13:21

BingoBoingo: s/too other/to other

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ty, fixed

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mp_en_viaje waves

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BingoBoingo waves

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yay doin' da wave!

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yay doin' da wave!

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919983 << you have no fcukin' idea!

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Logged on 2019-06-25 14:56 asciilifeform wonders if they have 'прописка' in norway. i.e. where must Officially register place of residence with polizei erry time changing flats

13:34

ohai mp_en_viaje

13:34

you have to register PHONE with polizei. literally, can get sim but will not work in any phone not sold in norway and can't have mobile in norway other than like typewriters in ye olde soviet lands.

13:34

sounds chinese actually

13:34

"otherwise people abuse it"

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well, the soviet part of chinese. sure.

13:35

Here you only gotta register with the local prefectura if you lack a place to live and wanna claim a corner

13:35

that sounds very pre-secession us. "get a corner and a mule, gotta homestead it"

13:36

lol bomzhsteading

13:37

Well, can't make poverty a free option

13:38

anyway : my flight got delayed ; this marks the longest i ever spent in an airport

13:38

Ouch

13:38

just my luck it'd be the shittiest place this side of the equator

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in other lulz : they have reindeer pelts for sale in one of these revolting "souvenirs" to take home so as to pretend like norway isn't a complete shithole thatshould be glassed.. costs ~two pelts to pay for a cab ride to the airport.

13:40

Probably still top 5 on either side by your description. Place sounds like the oil was, like Qatar's... a serious misfortune

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919988 << nah, just bait & switch scamhotel / coupla managers.

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Logged on 2019-06-25 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?

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incidentally : one should absolutely not trust any norwegian. assholes scam like they breathe ; i dunno why various africans have a bad reputation, i have literally never been scammed by a hotel before, ever.

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and i've been everywhere. norway first at something!

13:42

BingoBoingo, i suspect you might be very right re the oil. we used to think the problem ruining argentina was you know, heat. "it never freezes here, of course they're all bums". but norway freezes plenty -- so i kinda don't see the heat theory anymore.

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however, THIS they both had in common : circumstantial windfall, unearned wealth. the argentines with the ww2 debacle / the germans petting them throughout 19th century, and the nortards with the oil, obv.

13:43

The heat could still play a role in that Norgies get the heat for "Phree"

13:44

Both Argeis and Norgies seem to be heavy on the "Indoorsmanship"

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it;s a certain sort of unearned, really -- not ENTIRELY unearned. if it's out and out windfall you get passthrough economies like imperial spain or chad.

13:44

naggum actually described, in ~exactly mp_en_viaje's terms

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re norway being a sort of even dumber qatar

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but if it's "a little" earned you get us/argentina/norway. pompous assholes.

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asciilifeform, i never read that part. is it on your site ?

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dunthinkso. but might be in the old archive, will look

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if you find it i will read it.

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mp_en_viaje will not go asking google to pretty please discharge some nibblets from the usenet archives it stole, in its own judgement.

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BingoBoingo awaits more chapters of "Nordic System" materializing on Trilema in the coming months http://trilema.com/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu

13:46

not gonna do a fucking novel, i tell you that. i might put up the details re the bait & switch "hotel" / scam, but atm waiting to see what the police say and for report on list of various authorities that could be induced to inspect the shithole.

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asciilifeform has had 'do 2nd pass through the naggum bones ' on conveyor backlog for nearly decade nao

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asciilifeform, i also have been toying with the idea of doing a http://trilema.com/2012/filozoful-blogomirea-editie-revazuta-adaugita-si-completata/#selection-123.0-125.52 for a few years myself. "what'd happen to trilema if it reviewed itself ???"

13:47

but...

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919991 << o yeah, panama is a celebrated shithole, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 and all that.

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Logged on 2019-06-25 15:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919928 << found very similar, actually, in panama

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Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919994 << nah that's not it ; earlier piece, quite specifically discussing hospital economics.

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Logged on 2019-06-25 15:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919917 << >> http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 .

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mp_en_viaje: my last pass through panama was esp. outrageous, they set up an impromptu baggage & pocket search queue ~on arrival from usa~ for no detectable reason

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sumthing that i never before saw

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chinese pressure mebbe.

13:51

usians are getting reamed pretty hard throughout yurp fwis, these days. way easier time being somali or something.

13:52

prolly simple revenge for how folx landing in usa are abused.

13:52

waning star.

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re: hospital economics we have http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ and http://trilema.com/2016/the-fagspital/

13:53

the oddity in panama was that they allocated neither space nor time for the thing, they set up ad hoc xray an' queue right where the shops are; and the procedure subtracted from the time to next plane

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( i.e. fondled ~twice~ )

13:54

BingoBoingo, the stock warrant thing, though interesting, not at all it.

13:55

mp_en_viaje: pretty sure you had a piece re how handing out payola to lumpens results in $25 bottle of soda etc

13:56

speaking of which, pretty curious, what was http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-277.0-277.66 ?

13:56

what's it doing in airport ?

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BingoBoingo, nor either of those two

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920043 <<< >>> http://loper-os.org/pub/naggum-articles.tgz ( ty phf , btw , who dug it out )

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Logged on 2019-06-25 17:45 mp_en_viaje will not go asking google to pretty please discharge some nibblets from the usenet archives it stole, in its own judgement.

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appears to be the complete set .

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Seems like another miss though apropos the Nordic System http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/

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feedbot

http://qntra.net/2019/06/verizon-bgp-fuckup-disrupted-us-internet-service-yesterday/ << Qntra -- Verizon BGP Fuckup Disrupted US Internet Service Yesterday

16:23

asciilifeform: re your scroll's hiccup yesterday ^

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lol

16:34

Anyways if it isn't one thing with the internet of shit it is another. Packet weather's one thing. But for all the derp about encrypting the DNS... routers routinely eat unsigned route batches

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BingoBoingo: usg ministry of lulz is trying to push usgtronic 'pki' bgp. so, 1st gotta 'make weather', vandalize a bit, drum up interest.

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asciilifeform: Anyways, this is a part of why router facing the world needs at least 8 gigs of RAM. Gotta hold ALL the IPv4 routing tables

16:38

seems kinda braindamaged. all router really needs is 'next hop' on ea. side

16:40

Depends where the router is on the topology.

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if it's somewhere other than regional backbone

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Holding less than the full table increases dependence on the kindness of strangers

16:42

Regional backbone is a bit ambiguous. TMSR router at Pizarro by definition is just about going to have to be "regional backbone"

16:42

considering that the table per se is sourced via 'kindness of strangers'...

16:42

the net is ~entirely from duct tape, it's sorta surprising it even worx at all on most days.

16:43

Anyways, brb going to route my way to Cordon.

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19:53

season's greetings from lovely varsovia!

19:55

Jeszcze Polska nie zginela!111(tm)(r)

19:56

http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920004 << pretty fucking lulzy.

19:56

Logged on 2019-06-25 17:03 BingoBoingo: And in the perpetual Oslogentina https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/h-m-vendera-en-argentina-excedentes-de-stock-de-otros-mercados-201962512193 << Same day as http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-149.0-155.86

19:57

asciilifeform, i told a cab driver the "going to moscow" pildulski joke.

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he asked me who told me this!

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lol!

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hehe

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hrm, could've sworn it was in the l0gz, but cannot nao find

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http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920065 << literally, giving people the gift of "cab", socialist version.

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Logged on 2019-06-25 17:56 asciilifeform: speaking of which, pretty curious, what was http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-277.0-277.66 ?

20:08

see, cuz in a sane place you ~pay~. but in argentinorway, "there's no money".

20:09

iirc mp_en_viaje showed up in argentinistan with railcar of green, didn't help any moar than in any other sovok

20:10

helped plenty, old whore went from presidency to jail cell.

20:10

just, money doesn;'t fix idiots, no.

20:10

rright but that's, what, 1% of what's needed to terraform

20:10

i'm not that into terraforming tbh.

20:11

i'm also not that into rape. for the exact same reasons, too. who the fuck can be bothered ?

20:11

can't even get to the end of they begging on hands and knees in ten lives, what terraformic.

20:11

prolly cheaper (and more interesting) to build dome under ocean, than to terraform derpistan fulla orcs

20:12

certainly more interesting.

20:13

the 'ru-ar' d00d described typical 'month' of endurance of typical ru emigre there. asciilifeform idly wonders how long it'd take him to barf.

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Logged on 2019-01-30 01:02 asciilifeform: 'ru-ar' d00d described 'month -- euphoria, then reality sets in when so happens you want a faucet fixed, or tooth capped, or to buy power brick for lappy' etc

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( unlike e.g. mp_en_viaje , wouldn't notice the broken clubs etc )

20:15

i expect you'd notice the sudden absence of a technical world.

20:16

i expect you;d notice cutting up cardboard is what "students" do there. by the time "technology" is an oil drum sawed in half for "parilla"...

20:16

not long ago went and saw what the 'students' do ~here~, wasn't so diff

20:17

well then...

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i can see it, if you can live in wash dc, can luive anywhere

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20:37

admittedly, if one cares about nothing one could lvie anywhere.

20:38

even tree, not quite anywhere.

20:38

( i noticed e.g. that old world oak, with the correct!1111 'long' acorn, is not found in new world. and doubt that it is because no one tried to plant.. )

20:47

possibly not.

20:47