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01:27 mircea_popescu nuts.
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03:04 mircea_popescu "analytical philosophy", as the currently preferred endonym for "typical anglo provincialism", ie the attempt at naive extension of "common sense" and broadly dysfunctional medieval solipsisms is methodologically sound, but unfortunately fundamentally rotten, and in the most laughable ways at that. "postmodernism", as the anglotard xenonym for, mostly, post-structuralism, is fundamentally sound, but unfortunately methodologic
03:04 mircea_popescu ally rotten in most applications you're likely to encounter. as it stands, between the "mechanical birdwing" that never could possibly take off and the early aeroplane that generally crashes and burns, you're stuck picking the latter.
03:04 mircea_popescu oops.
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13:31 asciilifeform meanwhile, in 'the new linus torvalds' lulz: https://archive.is/C6AFq >> 'The price advantage of ARM will never be there for ARM servers unless you get enough volume to make up for the absolutely huge advantage in server volume that Intel has right now ... no real advantage to ARM ... basic economics ... this is why the PC took over, and why everything else died ... you're going to be a tiny minority ... x86 won'
13:34 mircea_popescu aww. is this http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ all over again ?
13:34 asciilifeform loox like!
13:35 asciilifeform pretty fast turnaround, gotta say
13:35 mircea_popescu check out what changed in 4 years alfie, back in 2015 we had to ~go there~. now they sit around reading the log on their own dime, to "preemptively" etc.
13:36 asciilifeform riotously wtf. but i can't picture how else.
13:36 asciilifeform wai ~now~ 'surrender, arm is dead' etc
13:39 mircea_popescu whatever. there's better shows in town, anyway.
13:40 * asciilifeform doesn't even ~like~ arm much, but it remains the case that it's the 1 green leaf in the garbage disposal of non-x86 atm
13:41 * asciilifeform still curious how they maintain the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897140 lulzstatusquo
13:41 a111 Logged on 2019-02-16 01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not even 'tb', but go an' try to find on market arm box of ~any~ description that eats ordinary socketed dimms
13:43 asciilifeform near as i can tell, reich 'soft banned' arm mobos with socketed rams
13:44 asciilifeform ( not simply arm, either, but ~anyffin~ non-x86 )
13:46 feedbot http://trilema.com/2019/well-since-i-started-might-as-well/ << Trilema -- Well, since I started, might as well...
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14:05 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> check out what changed in 4 years alfie, back in 2015 we had to ~go there~. now they sit around reading the log on their own dime, to "preemptively" etc. << very true
14:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform possibly tenuously, hence the lulz.
14:08 asciilifeform so far i only found that 1 chinese box, costing its weight in silver, etc. but this does not disprove mircea_popescu's hypothesis.
14:08 BingoBoingo The Chicoms keep teasing socketed ARM, and then...
14:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik no socketable arm (as in cpu per se) has ever been offered.
14:08 asciilifeform (not since acorn anyway)
14:09 BingoBoingo Forgot to spec socketed RAM. I haven't even seen socketed chip teases
14:11 asciilifeform ftr there is a (theoretical) 'innocent' explanation for 'nuffin socketed' -- at current-day freqs, sockets actually cost comparably with the chip
14:11 asciilifeform cuz impedance-tolerance is tight.
14:12 asciilifeform ( observe what current-day cpu sockets look like, vs days of 486 'lif' )
14:14 mircea_popescu this is true ; yet you'd expect intel started making the boards with the chips.
14:14 mircea_popescu why don't they, technological incapacity ?
14:14 asciilifeform why would they cannibalize their x86 idjicy ?
14:15 mircea_popescu i honestly don't understand why latest pc even has pcb in at all. all the shit could be on-die anyway.
14:16 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it ~is~, in their bleeding-edge luser pc product. just not anyffing you'd buy. e.g. https://archive.is/Kqh7F
14:16 mircea_popescu make a computer look like an aluminum can, one spikey end with the cpu and radiator, one flat end to sit it on.
14:16 asciilifeform pictured item is it.
14:16 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a ok, that actually looks exactly like soviet take of above.
14:17 asciilifeform iirc crapple's latest lappy is same thing, with added periphs
14:17 mircea_popescu aha.
14:17 asciilifeform cpu, gpu, north/south, etc . on 1 die.
14:17 mircea_popescu myeah.
14:17 asciilifeform ( funnily enuff, not ram -- they lost ram market to samsung and it aint coming back )
14:19 mircea_popescu myeah.
14:27 mircea_popescu welcome back eh!
14:27 asciilifeform wb diana_coman !
14:27 diana_coman thanks! it's good to be back
14:28 * diana_coman kept up with the logs but not with trilema.com
14:29 mircea_popescu somehow february counted as two months for the blog, nfi.
14:29 diana_coman !!v 7248C1AA2033BFBE213D7F51CA55F871CCDD25B5D14D2535BCB64A0A81D2874A
14:29 deedbot diana_coman updated rating of spyked from 2 to 3 << met irl; writes at http://thetarpit.org/
14:34 mircea_popescu it does seem though that the "article is ~500 words" thing that stood true for a decade or so meanwhile morphed into an "article is ~2k words" thing. i hope it stops, this process, before expanding past the point where not even i can be bothered to read one.
14:36 diana_coman heh, sure it stops: article is ~3.5k words + ~50 links 5 layers deep or something
14:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: reading'em is pretty fast, in asciilifeform's experience, if you have the 'working set' loaded into brain
14:37 mircea_popescu there's no guarantee "writing an article" is a procedure that returns, in principle. maybe it ends that way.
14:39 BingoBoingo Some trilemas I read quickly in 2013-2019 today take substantially more time to read as I correct and rebuild the working set in the headcase. Then again 2013-2017 I was mistakenly filtering for Bitcoin. But that filtering doesn't work.
14:40 mircea_popescu that's kinda the problem with reading. the actual driver of length-ening is precisely this, one could produce shorter articles, but it's a time-to-read/space-to-write tradeoff.
14:41 BingoBoingo Anyways, I carry some technical debt, but as I've been learning since last year there's a lot of pressing cultural debt.
14:42 mircea_popescu debt is the only post-imperialist given.
14:42 BingoBoingo Less pressing as the headcase contents get flushed and refreshed with the re-reading, but it's a thing on the issues chart
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15:36 feedbot http://qntra.net/2019/02/another-week-another-us-hate-hoax-as-lgtbbq-activist-torches-own-house-killing-pets/ << Qntra -- Another Week, Another US Hate Hoax As LGTBBQ Activist Torches Own House Killing Pets
15:44 feedbot http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714. - Part II.
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16:46 mircea_popescu nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m92oi/?raw=true
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17:12 asciilifeform 'As gay rights supporters try to reconcile Joly the crusader with Joly the alleged arsonist, they worry the arrest could be used to reverse all the good he has done' << lol!
17:24 mircea_popescu they're pretty lulzy to watch, lost in their lala-land of "good that's done" and whatnot.
17:25 mircea_popescu what "good" ? what "done" ?
17:38 BingoBoingo Well, she fussed a lot
17:38 BingoBoingo Old women like fussing, as carried out by this old woman
17:43 asciilifeform 'Meanwhile donations rolled in for Joly and Moore. The church hoped to raise $10,000 but quickly sped past that amount. By the time St. Johns and other groups were done they had collected $58,000, they said. In a Facebook post two days after the fire, Joly exhorted supporters not to respond to the blaze by threatening violence. “Yes, be angry, be very angry,” he wrote. “Use that anger to force good! Use that anger to make chang
17:43 asciilifeform e.”'
17:43 mircea_popescu sooo... in more practical terms, "old women everywhere fear that this one old woman's idle oldwomanhood's sudden collapse into active boyhood might be more than an isolated event"
17:44 mircea_popescu somewhat parallel to the very threatened reaction of girlies in a group of girlies, when i bid one come over. "if she goes to the slaugther when called to the slaughter, who's to say i wouldnt?!?"
17:45 mircea_popescu obviously no-one's to say she wouldn't, especially seeing how of fucking course she would.
17:48 BingoBoingo Anyways, to be clear the arsonist fusser is XX chromosoned, presumably taking male steriod hormones for years if not decades.
17:52 asciilifeform pretty great. gotta wonder if these folx realize on some level that they're pouring the foundations for the eventual crematoria. ( or will be 'surprised', like the prev set )
17:52 mircea_popescu yet the very obvious "female accidentally displays agency, ends up in http://trilema.com/2015/gender-politics-and-the-war-on-will/ conundrum" is pretty lulzy. what is wrong, to be an activist or to set your house on fire ?
17:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform post-rationality.
17:53 mircea_popescu "there's nothing to realise, no means no" "to whom ?"
17:53 asciilifeform incidentally 'burned own house' is somewhat misleading , in we-build-from-matchsticks usa there is good chances of incinerating whole street
17:53 mircea_popescu "no, there's absolute truth, and absolute value of symbols. no means no ~objectively~" "since when ?"
17:54 asciilifeform ( there's a reason why in old japan arsonists were invariably burned at the stake, i.e. same as for high treason )
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform eh, it's self-limiting, if enough houses burn down it'll just be the new fashion. "this is how things ARE now" worked ok for new york in its slow descent to africa, what's to keep them.
17:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure enuff. recall e.g. chicago.
17:56 mircea_popescu in practice, women make do, and the femstate as organized womanhood (whether you like it or not) will... well... see, it gets something in exchange for permanent defeat. it's indefeatable in its own terms now!!!
17:56 BingoBoingo Not like the US is going to rediscover "cob" construction.
17:56 mircea_popescu why would it! it priviledges the wrong criteria over considerations "much more important to us".
17:58 BingoBoingo The failure to transition from temporary log cabins and clapboard to cob or ferrocement is yet another weird Anglo colonial quirk.
17:58 BingoBoingo Instead they just started using less wood and more petrol weird in their cabins
17:59 mircea_popescu femstate lulz, the termites could prolly chew the trunks making up one original log cabin and spit out paper cells for a whole neighbourhood of contemporary drones.
18:00 mircea_popescu those 1800s doods used whole trunks, half the time still round, to make the walls.
18:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: history's most 'successful', if you will, bonsai-kitten experiment. unlike e.g. ceausescu's ro folx, most of usa never even laid eyes on a ~picture~ of an actual pre-socialism house, much less set foot in one, not even speaking of riding in a pre-socialism auto or growing up in a pre-.... family etc
18:01 mircea_popescu there's of course ye olde brownstone tenements
18:01 asciilifeform picture-perfect 'just how much shit WILL they eat if never knew different' setup
18:01 mircea_popescu but afaik entirely north east phenomenon
18:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~entirely afaik
18:01 asciilifeform even those, tend to be rather spartan per europistani standards
18:02 mircea_popescu it's very weird because for a good half of 20th century, us housing kicked SO MUCH ASS compared to yurp...
18:02 asciilifeform there's an old slaveholder manor not far from asciilifeform . it is quite threadbare if you were to stand it next to the habsburg dwellings
18:02 mircea_popescu it didn't last tho.
18:02 asciilifeform ( see mircea_popescu's jefferson thread, etc )
18:05 asciilifeform ( manor -- pretty interesting in own light. literally entire town, incl. the university grounds, usedta be part of it pre-dekulakization. yet most of the folx living there nao, dun even know that the manor house exists. inside, threadbare museum, open 1ce a week or sumthing, souvenir shop. )
18:06 * asciilifeform found, by chance, a living descendant of the manor people. old woman, 9000 cats...
18:10 asciilifeform quite hilarious re 'houses' -- the other day there was a little gust of wind, certainly nuffin rising to the level of 'hurricane'. and then i go for a drive, and errywhere pieces of 'house' came off
18:11 BingoBoingo Even Uruguayo socialist housing compared to the US... Seeing these how these 10-12 story towers go up is a trip.
18:11 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: your orcs , not yet invented the pretense. mix cement, pour, done.
18:13 asciilifeform i dun even know presently what prevents it. possibly if the fast-growing pine thing usa uses, grew in south a, argentina + uy et al would already look like matchstick washington.
18:15 asciilifeform usa seems intent on replaying the career of the illustrative-idiot character in erry single trad folk tale. even 'the 3 pigs'.
18:16 BingoBoingo The locals like fire. Estufas de leña for winter and parrillas for asado. Lots are too narrow to not have disaster during the matchsticking.
18:17 asciilifeform https://archive.is/umBKl#selection-63.358-63.753 << oblig naggum
18:20 BingoBoingo The more "affordable" option emerging are furnished, shipping containers. These however are a rural and outter barrio thing.
18:22 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in usa would be moar common if were not artificially suppressed ( it is legal to be a hobo , but not to live in shipping container or anyffin else not Officially mortgaged via the lizards )
18:24 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, local control issue mostly. Universal building codes get adopted and at the local level derps enforce Stick Frames because the presence of deviant construction drops the relative value of the established derp's stick constructions.
18:24 asciilifeform not limited to 'ugly' ersatz housing, either. recall the mircea_popescu thread about some ro fella who thought he could get away with building a stone euro-style house in urban usa, where the locals could see it
18:24 BingoBoingo I recall mircea_popescu had a story about folks trying to build stone house in the US
18:24 mircea_popescu i expect actually a great future for intermodal container housing.
18:24 BingoBoingo AHA
18:24 mircea_popescu imagine, neighbourhood of the future, == port of the future. you sign the slip to where you wanna live next, they take you there.
18:25 mircea_popescu go to paris via marseille without leaving you livingroom.
18:26 asciilifeform that'd rock, actually. the 1 annoying detail is that even at current fare ( what, 2k orcbux? from ny to marseilles ) the folx who can afford fare, dun care to live in container
18:27 BingoBoingo Well, how many containers does the alf lab need?
18:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 5-6
18:28 asciilifeform 3-4 , i suppose, if it's going to junkyard instead of marseilles and you can compact it a bit
18:29 mircea_popescu there's maybe 20mn containers in the world.
18:29 mircea_popescu once there's 20bn, the fare will be ~20k, except with inflation <1 bitcent.
18:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what difference does it make ? if you're rich, get 6x4x2 or w/e, not like you can't specify arrangement. might delay you a day. whopee.
18:30 mircea_popescu now THIS is the sort of [interfaced] cvasi-boat alf could readily live on -- if everyone else also did.
18:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a massive 'artistic' sculpture consisting of coupla dozen containers somewhere on the road to washington from here. they're plentiful, and folx in 'flyover' usa do sometimes live in'em ( see endless 'how i poured cement' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-24#1899021 -derpery on 'youtube' etc. )
18:30 a111 Logged on 2019-02-24 06:42 mircea_popescu: witness how instagram is chock full of a bunch of pretentious pictures of foods/travels/whatever that the putative "authors" ~aspire~ to.
18:31 mircea_popescu aha.
18:31 asciilifeform on the coasts, diff story. you can get away with dealing dope by megatonne, in bmore, but just try live in container.
18:32 asciilifeform withholding mortgageolade from the j00z -- the ur-crime in reich.
18:33 mircea_popescu i suspect this is your usual "opionions of things i imagine" postmodernist show.
18:33 mircea_popescu i know numerous chicks squatting. it's a thing.
18:33 mircea_popescu more a thing in german-yurp than us, but a major thing nevertheless, on both coasts and in plenty of midwest pockets.
18:33 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what difference does it make ? if you're rich, get 6x4x2 or w/e, not like you can't specify arrangement. might delay you a day. whopee. << Well trying to figure out if the Port or Puertito is a more appropriate place arrive.
18:33 asciilifeform well in that vein, i even know (by name) actual hobos
18:33 asciilifeform hobo -- legal.
18:33 mircea_popescu squatting is precisely "living without jew"
18:34 asciilifeform i was speaking of 'living, not ~existing~'(tm)
18:34 mircea_popescu it's not even legal to take down ~illegal electricity connections~ they made, half the time.
18:34 mircea_popescu it's not clear to me what you mean.
18:35 BingoBoingo ^ Here too, they get regularized and even then usually only when pasta base is involved
18:35 mircea_popescu if you define "living is exsting + jew" then yeah, i expect you won't find "living without jew".
18:35 asciilifeform incl., but not limited to, triple-digit locking door square metrage, fiber, and fridge with roquefort.
18:35 mircea_popescu actually, this happens regularly. witness the "art studio" / squat that burned a few years ago.
18:35 mircea_popescu more valuables there than in a whole suburbia's worth of soccer moms.
18:36 asciilifeform and moar lice than auschwitz barrack, betcha
18:36 mircea_popescu nah. artsy chicks are anxiously clean, these days.
18:36 asciilifeform iirc that one was fulla xy
18:36 mircea_popescu there's also the filthy sort, but that's more of a punk/pill scene.
18:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the infestations are a by-scene thing. the art scene's not particularly lice-y. some music scenes are ; the sex scene may be, depending on the house mother. on it goes.
18:37 mircea_popescu it's a very unevenly distributed thing.
18:37 asciilifeform iirc gabriel_laddel was living in sumthing like this shortly before he finally sank
18:37 asciilifeform didn't sound esp. thrilled
18:37 mircea_popescu i have no idea ; nor is this anything like an example.
18:37 asciilifeform ( and this was not a d00d with outlandish standards )
18:38 BingoBoingo Some bums even get upwardly mobile here http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-19#1898017 http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-19#1898018
18:38 a111 Logged on 2019-02-19 04:42 BingoBoingo: Also tonight I saw the good bum mentioned http://bingology.net/2018/12/24/preparations-for-the-second-navidad-in-uruguay/#footnote_1_2160
18:38 a111 Logged on 2019-02-19 04:42 BingoBoingo: It has been a while. Turns out he got a job of sorts at a Confiteria. Sleeps in an actual bed most nights now.
18:38 mircea_popescu but in more reality-anchored basis for discussion, i'd guess about one third of esl females in age range of interest live in communal arrangements. some are publicly run, aka "university dorms" ; some are privately run, of which as much as one third also illegally run.
18:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: these -- yes the 'fyootoor', in last decade they tore down good % of the town around here and built honest sovok-style communal-by-design flats
18:39 mircea_popescu the girls that don't, remarkably, are even odds lost in smalltown idaho or other such nowherezeone horrors.
18:39 asciilifeform somehow 'not Officially happening', but there they are
18:39 asciilifeform and mostly fulla yes, mircea_popescu's chix
18:40 mircea_popescu trend's been ongoing since at least the 70s, once the yellow flower of alabamy decided her only future's to go to new york to be a writer.
18:40 mircea_popescu so many writers... wut do. stack 'em.
18:40 mircea_popescu one can't really understand "gender identity" or whatever, faggot-bla-bla without actually comprehending the demographics.
18:40 asciilifeform the interesting, imho, detail, is that i went and found what they pay. if you add up the rent of the 4 коммуналка derps occupying any of these, you get ~2x what asciilifeform pays for same sq. m.
18:40 mircea_popescu they're incomprehensible and uninteresting to "patriarchy" aka the lordship principally because they're epiphenomena of poverty in a manner unexperienced.
18:41 mircea_popescu much like medieval lords did not understand the amulet fervor of the peons.
18:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course. you're priviledged.
18:41 asciilifeform lol privileged. i grew up in an actual коммуналка.
18:41 asciilifeform baked out of 19th c. actual-people flat, as they came
18:41 mircea_popescu so ?
18:42 mircea_popescu i don't mean you inherited it.
18:42 mircea_popescu i mean you're not them, substantially. if i shoot some schmuck they ask me "what i was thinking", if some schmuck shoots another they just dump him in the hole.
18:42 asciilifeform aa
18:42 mircea_popescu we're substantially different things, i'm something, the poveraccio's not a thing.
18:44 asciilifeform the lulztwist is that here you cannot get the tall ceiling of that коммуналка even with 5 mircea_popescu-s worth of moola
18:45 asciilifeform ( or perhaps could, but would have to station an army around it, and it begins to look economical in comparison to put it on ocean floor )
18:45 asciilifeform dome, reactor, & all.
18:49 asciilifeform in vehehery other noose, asciilifeform accidentally, in the course of unrelated worx, dug up the long-sought pill for the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586264 item.
18:49 a111 Logged on 2016-12-19 20:16 asciilifeform: btw if anyone can come up with a WORKING 'crab' (realtek) nic driver in pure long mode asm, we can have, e.g., scheme on iron, and usefully so, in a couplea weeks.
18:50 asciilifeform ( nao if could grow 3 or 4 additional hands !!11 )
18:59 asciilifeform in other olds, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586388
18:59 a111 Logged on 2016-12-19 23:08 danielpbarron is interested in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586342
18:59 asciilifeform hrm, whatever happened to that fella
19:00 asciilifeform !#seen danielpbarron
19:00 a111 2019-01-03 <danielpbarron> i did not tell him to join, and i have given up on reaching that crowd
19:00 asciilifeform oh hm, alive, sorta
19:00 mircea_popescu haha, so then, scheme in iron, in 2 weeks ?
19:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if asciilifeform weren't sitting under a pile of unfinisheds -- then conceivably yes
19:00 asciilifeform why, do you want one ?
19:01 mircea_popescu not particularly, but good to know.
19:01 asciilifeform it's one possible path to that fabled bootstrappable box.
19:02 asciilifeform ( and possibly even the lightest, in re count of moving parts.. )
19:14 * danielpbarron is here
19:14 asciilifeform ohai danielpbarron
19:15 asciilifeform danielpbarron: are you still doing the 'warehouse of iron' thing these days ?
19:15 danielpbarron i'm holding on to a bunch of computer parts but i'm not sure how useful any of them are
19:16 asciilifeform i dun know anyone who has buncha parts ~and~ Knows For Certain How Useful
19:23 asciilifeform danielpbarron: still making a killing selling fg ?
19:24 danielpbarron no, hasn't been a sale in a year about
19:24 danielpbarron still got plenty, still listed on ebay
19:27 asciilifeform pretty modest ( tho asciilifeform was still surprised how large ! ) uptake for FG. asciilifeform doesn't even have a rigid handle on why, specifically.
19:28 asciilifeform possibly only that many folx alive who give a serious shit re crypto. possibly i made it the wrong shade of red, fuck if i know.
19:30 BingoBoingo Seems like a poverty of folks who know how to give a serious shit about crypto
19:31 asciilifeform danielpbarron: you ( & customers... ) may find it interesting, that even tho fg was not specifically built for radiation-hardness, the star of the http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=55 vivisections still runs to spec
19:32 asciilifeform helps that there aint much in the way of vlsi, or any electrolytic caps, possibly.
19:33 asciilifeform ( caps -- strictly ceramic , with tantalum for the larger filter )
19:34 asciilifeform if it were possible to source an antifuse fpga for the http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis/tree/fg.v , thing would be trooly indestructible short of incinerator or train running over it
19:35 asciilifeform as it is, if yer launching yours into orbit, i recc pb foil over the cpld.
19:35 asciilifeform ( tho i do not currently know what dose will actually do it in )
19:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform gotta build teh mommentum.
19:49 mircea_popescu things reinforce themselves, you have fg AND pizarro AND AND AND.
19:50 mircea_popescu the star of the http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=55 vivisections still runs to spec << market communication still pretty fucking terrible.
19:50 mircea_popescu consider what hanbot had to go through to stand up a working environment ; now consider potential customer has to ~same.
19:50 mircea_popescu that's the limit -- the sum total of folks alive capable of going through one of these bootstrappings is ~5.
19:54 mircea_popescu how's tricks these days, danielpbarron
19:54 danielpbarron good
19:57 mircea_popescu oklahoma treatin you well ?
20:02 danielpbarron yep
20:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fg dun exactly require cuntoo tho. runs a++ with, e.g., my msdos box. ( via 'max232' ttl to rs232 transformer )
20:04 mircea_popescu certainly. nor do electrolytic caps specifically require the pc.
20:04 mircea_popescu yet, without the pc there's ~no market.
20:05 asciilifeform pretty sure that most elcaps ever baked, went into tv. but can see the pt.
20:07 mircea_popescu whatever, tv, space rockets. it wasn't amateur electronicists in garage, that's for sure.
20:08 mircea_popescu globalisation is another way to say "systematization". whether it's systematized delusion or systematized http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 nevertheless the middle is thoroughly pruned in all contemporaneous groups.
20:08 a111 Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
20:10 mircea_popescu that old http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ discussion is not an idle consideration. this is the fundamental structure of everything, from baltimore gangland, where the police shoots the 20-gun tribes to make room for a dozen 2-gun tribes, to whatever you pick, "Merchandise scores in the theme park stores" and Disney is the king of the hill.
20:11 mircea_popescu consider this item i recently fell upon by accident : "And so the scam rolled on through April and into May. I gathered around fifty active investors, and scammed about a billion non-Morty investments. I was repeatedly pulled into convos, usually lasting only a short time as they asked a few questions. Within the first few lines of communication
20:11 mircea_popescu , I always knew whether or not they would invest. Those who would not become investors always made specific requests for information, requiring several referrals of non-alts who had been playing the game for a few years. Obviously I could not provide this without giving the names of other investors. Since my business' website guaranteed anonymity, this was not practical. But those who did not make specific requests, and inste
20:11 mircea_popescu ad asked open-ended questions like "how can I trust you?" and "how do I know this is for real?"--these were future investors. They were asking me to persuade them. They wanted to believe."
20:11 asciilifeform 'pruning of middle' happens, in re konsoomer tech, but consider also that moar goes into garage, or even iraqi roadside mind,
20:12 asciilifeform *mine
20:12 asciilifeform than into rocket
20:12 mircea_popescu there's ~nothing in between~. there's no pyramid, one inch wide the first inch, three inches wide the third inch, and a hundred inches wide the hundredht inch
20:12 mircea_popescu you have the top inch and the bottom foot, and in between miles upon miles of NOTHING
20:12 asciilifeform there's still a substantial 'hand-sewn' sector, where counts.
20:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform this sector is not substantial, is the point im making.
20:13 mircea_popescu out of the people going to see some blockbuster, 33% are there because they're mouthdrooling retards, 66% are there because they're with their friends, and <1% are there to see the movie.
20:14 asciilifeform this yes
20:14 asciilifeform and 99+% of pc bought to run spreadshit & 'hearts', no less
20:14 mircea_popescu well this yes, but nothing is different from this. the chronic masturbators making up white esltardland don't suddenly become serious about some selection of topics, or even one topic.
20:14 mircea_popescu they eat like they watch movies like they work like they etc.
20:16 asciilifeform entirely troo. and in light of this, just about miraculous that any of the konsoomer shit can even be repurposed for actual work, at this pt
20:19 mircea_popescu there's exactly two arguments who can work on typical moron. the first is, "everyone is doing this" ; the second is "you must this in order to that".
20:19 mircea_popescu the second only works worth half a shit when it's "in order to stay out of jail". and even then very dubious.
20:19 mircea_popescu so what you want to do, is exactly the "everyone is doing this", hence systematization.
20:20 mircea_popescu until then, it's gonna be piddly.
20:20 mircea_popescu once there, well...
20:21 mircea_popescu in other inconsequential lulz, https://armorgames.com/page/data-breach-2019
20:22 mircea_popescu "While much of the data affected is public profile information, it includes usernames, emails, hashed passwords and the salt (allowing the hashed passwords to be reversed). We care deeply about our users’ security and are taking numerous steps to prevent this from happening again and to protect against the misuse of information."
20:23 mircea_popescu they care deeply, indeed. they all do.
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22:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that makes sense.
23:07 asciilifeform !#s from:opcode
23:07 a111 0 results for "from:opcode", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aopcode
23:07 asciilifeform !!key opcode
23:07 deedbot Not registered.
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23:48 hanbot BingoBoingo I attempted a reboot of s.nsa spare box, looks like it's not coming back up. please investigate at your leisure.
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