#trilema | 2017-11-23

Biodiesel has an ourself too!

00:03

the cat not worth teh skinning.

00:07

Hence the bagplan

~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~

01:18

In in other reddits https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/11/whos-doing-the-raping/

01:19

"To put specific numbers on this, the report notes that studies consistently find that more than 90% of prison rapes are inter-racial and racially motivated. Blacks are found to be some 80% of the perpetrators, and whites are the vast majority of victims. Again, this is easily accessible in a peer-reviewed report published at a mainstream outlet. (So how are desegregated prisons working out for us now, huh?)"

~ 8 hours 9 minutes ~

09:28

BingoBoingo i'd say they're working great.

09:29

contrary to pretense, under 1% of those are actual rapes, as defined by the only proper measure : "did you fight first ?"

09:29

whiteboy gets what he always wanted and was too scared to ask for.

~ 28 minutes ~

09:58

aaand in other morning lulz, http://looksmax.net/Thread-Purplepill-what-are-legit-ways-of-making-millions-is-it-just-climbing-corporate-ladder?pid=65809&mode=linear

~ 21 minutes ~

10:20

ahahaha "like mircea popescu or whatever his name is, but even with him i suspect he's not anywhere near as rich as he wants people to think he is - it doesn't add up; poorly fitted suits, average looking hotel suites/condos, spends all his time living in cheap shitholes which is precisely what white people who have money to live abroad but aren't rich do)" ; from ^^

10:24

sure

10:25

though mostly quoted for the fundamental prpblem -- these are college educated or educating esltards (maybe not ALL at MIT, but if you're on the internet.en you're either out of or currently in college) WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BECOME MILLIONAIRES.

10:25

can this be underscored enough ? i doubt it.

10:26

the only fucking reason, point and selling characteristic of anglo college is "making money", and there's no quantum below 1 million dollars.

10:26

yet... they do not know how to do it. AVERAGE salaries in the collegiate fields are about 100k/year, that means a 1mn income EACH DECADE, for AVERAGE performance

10:26

and these kids dunno how to be millionaires.

10:26

wut gives ?

10:27

complete and utter failure of the "social contract", at that. it's like a sailing school that fails to produce sailors, this ourdemocracy that fails to produce millionaires.

10:27

why the fuck else was anyone even watching the vhs tapes ?!

~ 15 minutes ~

10:43

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742442 << much smaller than this, if you count what % they get to ~keep~. end up with '3rd world' figure.

10:43

Logged on 2017-11-23 15:26 mircea_popescu: yet... they do not know how to do it. AVERAGE salaries in the collegiate fields are about 100k/year, that means a 1mn income EACH DECADE, for AVERAGE performance

10:45

'LEGIT TESTOSTERONA OF HIGH QUALITY POWEDER DOESNT LEAVE YOU NO OPTIONS' << lol!!

10:46

hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ?

10:47

'just be female theory strikes again'

10:47

what am i even reading, 'looksmax.net' ?!?

10:48

'You can also try to solve one of the 7 millennium math problems for 1m each.' << hey there's a neglected get-rich-and-famous scheme!

10:49

'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!!

10:57

asciilifeform no but that's the very point!

10:58

the complaint re mp's perceived lifestyle neartly folds into the general problem : "i think mp might be a millionaire as usg defined that term for me, but it seems in a sense fake, because he doesn't display the markers usg trained me to recognize. i wonder, if usg controls my perception of my own wants in the sense of defining how their perceptible form looks, why i don't get to be a millionaire ?"

10:58

the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?"

10:59

"tmsr claims to be more powerful than the us, but i have my doubts, because their software doesn't even unicode."

10:59

yes, schmucky mcschmuckersson, the REASON your software can't be powerful is EXACTLY that your software unicodes. not for the unicode itself, but for what the unicode IS.

11:01

and so on and forever until we fall over, "how could i get everything i need and it'll only ever be something i wanted ???".

11:01

hurr.

11:08

moar perplexing is wtf that forum is to begin with

11:08

exactly like reddit, a website someone made in the hopes of becoming a millionaire.

11:09

on it, the future of that country gathers.

11:09

'spam like a pro in 21 days'

11:09

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741795 << I have code to take his blocks and count up all the satoshis in the outputs that have undeterminable destinations. This is not very useful without also subtracting the coins when they are spent. This requires storing the txn hash and output index while I count up the satoshis. However ben_vulpes's api does not provide the txn hash and I have no CL code (yet) to calculate it.

11:09

Logged on 2017-11-21 21:25 asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer

11:09

Ultimately what I want to build is a tool to determine how much a miner can obtain by "defecting" from segwit from the current mempool

11:09

how the hell could it not provide the txn hash

11:09

whaack: i posted an ada block eater a while back, do you have a copy ?

11:10

what, it reserializes txn ?

11:10

well the txn hash is provided as the inputs in the future blocks but each new txn in a block does not provide a copy of its hash as well afaik

11:10

hm

11:11

( mine did not process scripts and so is currently of 0 direct use for whaack's item. but it does show how to compute tx hash )

11:11

mircea_popescu: a tx does not carry own hash inside it ( how could it ), one has to compute it on the fly

11:11

I do not have a copy

11:11

whaack: gimme a min

11:12

asciilifeform yes but the hash is also the only sane index to txn

11:12

aha

11:12

unless you actually go block44.txn7th, which is technically how spending goes, but anyway, i didn't expect he did that.

11:17

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742457 << "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." etc

11:17

Logged on 2017-11-23 15:58 mircea_popescu: the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?"

11:17

quite.

11:17

also that ballas quote re giving up the capital.

11:18

"Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it."

11:19

in similar news, "i don't think jakob fugger was really all that rich -- after all, he didn't even have an ipad".

11:20

re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same

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11:20

time "gopher is awesome, because it's so simple and pure", yeah, before you fuckers decided to show up.

11:20

and suddenly the seemingly unrelated byt alf linked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742454

11:20

Logged on 2017-11-23 15:49 asciilifeform: 'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!!

11:21

is no longer unrelated at all. IT IS JUST A RESTATEMENT OF THE SAME THING!

11:21

"in order to get rich (as usg defines that term) in crypto you gotta trade... the crypto... for the fetish of crypto!!11". see ? the lesson's well learned.

11:23

the frequency at which the word "modern" is used in those conversations is making me nauseous

11:25

naturally every other account is pronouns sensitive, lgbt, suicidal, "anti nazi", genderqueer, etc. thanksgiving is an opportunity to talk about how their toxic parents don't understand them, etc.

11:26

i was initially pissed off, but now i'm just sad, that babbage quote is very apropos

11:27

not much there to get pissed of AT.

11:28

whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz

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11:29

whaack: unofficial demo of adatronic block eater. takes a raw binary block on commandline, parses, prints computed hashes.

11:29

you will need gnat, no other dependencies.

11:29

tarball is heavy on account of including a test block.

11:30

( the ada per se is 27kB )

11:30

i keep expecting another trilema executing a coordinated strategy, but once you spend a few days living amongst them, you realize that there's nothing there, so yes.

11:30

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whaack takes a look.

11:30

hey, many girls are seeking and have been long seeking, and never yet found anything.

11:30

whaack: posted simply so that you can see how tx hashes come to exist

11:31

but it is in fact a complete block-eater, with the exception that it does nothing useful with scripts.

11:31

diana_coman and other ada n00bz may find the item interesting, it is a complete proggy ( in the bare bone sense )

11:32

project seti directed at earth

11:32

quite.

11:32

"mp is possibly not a millionaire seeing how he has girls combing the streets of poor countries looking for salvageable parts in the debris, as opposed to shooting photographs with the photographer's girlfriend like TRUE millionaires do"

11:32

whaack: if yer in a hurry you can skip straight to transactions.adb .

11:33

asciilifeform: okay I plan to use ironclad to do the actual hashing in the cl implementation unless there is a better recommendation

11:33

whaack: if you have the time, why not write a sha256 from scratch in cl. it's a needed, unfortunately, piece. and afaik there isn't a proper one published.

11:33

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719685 breadcrumbs.

11:33

Logged on 2017-10-02 19:09 mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)

11:33

phf possibly could correct me if this is not so

11:34

mircea_popescu: i'm still sad about that branson photo, every time i remember it, just have to shake my head

11:35

ah but whay.

11:35

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 << almost forgot : b66009a9afe71b4cebe1a11b565f8848f0686b9f13748e87cc42eac6d376245048454a957550f764d8da8315245a0b0aeeea079e06fa4f6666bcf89e491ea371 (sha512)

11:35

Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz

11:35

asciilifeform: okay I will give it a shot

11:35

ty

11:36

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 << ahahahahahahaha

11:36

Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same

11:36

nothing like a flea luvvvs moar than a yet-flealess dog

11:36

this much is not actually true.

11:36

i can picture how it might not be

11:36

flea-irritated skin is preferred by fleas.

11:36

( do fleas quorum-sense ? )

11:36

lice too. which is why only "Some kinds of girls" get it in school.

11:37

most parasitosis works that way, actually. there is such a thing as a rich guy's tuberculosis immunity. or, for that matter, aids.

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asciilifeform: "Having to unfollow folks because I'm sick of cynical passive agressive subtoots." ""It will not hurt people who use gopher the way it has been used for ~30 years. It won't break things. Those folks can ignore what we're doing. This doesn't have to be antagonistic. If you don't wanna take part, that's cool! I'm not here to force you. Keep doing what you're doing, or do what we're doing. Either is wonderful" etc.

11:38

mircea_popescu: afaik proper aids immunity is a vanishingly rare item, and poorly understood yet

11:38

phf: lol tolerasts

11:39

phf the difference in tone from the exact same item pushing bitcoin forks is that the gopher forks people have no one to fear in gopher.

11:39

asciilifeform i didn't mean proper immunity, i just meant...

11:40

actually, here's what i meant : vai de omu' sarac, nici boii nu-i trag, ii cade pita-n cicat si cind fute da de cui.

11:40

dja want translation ?

11:40

pretty sure i get it

11:41

"there's some gopher purists out there but don't pay them much heed. There's no one in charge. There's nothing keeping you from your next big idea. There's nothing to stop you from trying. And besides, most of us think it's pretty cool."

11:41

let's put in for teh logs : woe on the poor man, his oxen won't pull properly, his sandwich falls into shit and even when he fucks he runs into a rusty nail.

11:41

phf hehehe

11:45

whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz

11:45

it is some very embarassingly java-flavored CLOS, read it with a skeptical eye

11:46

i figure you can stitch it into a fare-friendly (asdf) form, if you have trouble or its missing bits let me know, 'tis a very hasty rip job

11:47

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ben_vulpes will also read asciilifeform 's ada cutter

11:48

ben_vulpes: it's pretty simple, makes use of ada's programmable stream

11:48

asciilifeform: i recall their being tight hashing code, but every time i do the same thing and discover that it was sb-md5 (and there's a corresponding cmucl prior art), so no proper shasum

11:48

*there

11:48

phf: iirc the sha256 in 'ironclad' is simply a c wrapper around turdssl

11:48

ironclad needs a 'libressl'ing imho

11:48

asciilifeform: no! you keep saying that, ironclad is 0 ffi

11:48

hm

11:49

so it has a working sha2 already ?

11:49

and incidentally if phf knows this, possibly he studied it and is ready to genesis his personal copy ?

11:49

src/digests/sha1.lisp

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src/digests/sha256.lisp

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src/digests/sha512.lisp

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if 'ironclad' is a worthy thing , it oughta be genesised

11:51

!~later tell whaack when testing 'horse', verify that the bin turd produced as file 'out' is identical to the input block. this means that the parser worx.

11:51

asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

11:51

maybe, but only as "presented as found". froydnj said in a few places, that he doesn't think ironclad is there yet as far as being used for production crypto. and we had a thread (with ben_vulpes) where we discovered that sha512 (!!!) had a bug

11:51

phf: do you know anything about the 'sharplispers'?

11:52

phf: bug was also fixed at some point

11:52

yeah, was fixed in master, but not in quicklisp production, my point is mostly "what other wonders are there". like you said needs libressling

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i gotta ask, what means 'libressling'

11:53

also ironclad rsa padding is notquiteright, trinque i believe knows a bit more

11:53

iirc 'libressl' was an attempted whitewashing of openssl turd by the usual suspects.

11:53

ben_vulpes: nobody's rsa padding is worth two shits

11:54

asciilifeform: did not actually work i mean.

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created messages that were undecipherable iirc

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asciilifeform yes buit it ended up not being needed, the "community" "consensused" that "openssl is okay" np.

11:54

the libre bs was in case of orange revolution.

11:55

backup prong aha.

11:55

i mean an ideal republican gutting.

11:55

then what's wrong with tmsrizing.

11:55

perhaps shoulda said "needs a stan/mpi style gutting"

11:55

sure, tmsrification

11:56

ben_vulpes: sharplispers i believe is the #lisp crowd who maintain "abandoned" packages (mostly for the purposes of xach having somewhere to git clone things from for his quicklisp). i know xach, luis oliveira, and nikodemus siivola, the last one being a proper hacker

11:57

* Loaded log from Thu Jan 19 19:08:32 2017 << i guess once a year .

11:58

mircea_popescu: wassat

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#lisp.

11:59

omfg their logs are terrible.

11:59

THREE scrollbars ? really ?!

12:00

mircea_popescu: can haz link ?

12:00

https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp

12:01

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742543 << ty sir

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Logged on 2017-11-23 16:45 ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz

12:01

!~seen mrottenkolber

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asciilifeform: I have not seen mrottenkolber.

12:02

!#seen mrottenkolber

12:02

2017-03-04 <mrottenkolber> I know, I know, people are not REPLs

12:02

uncharacteristically, the snr isn't even terrifying!

12:02

!#s jackdaniel

12:02

27 results for "jackdaniel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jackdaniel

12:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZf1DzJYO8o << so much toastmasters i'd love to hire this guy to read eulora things for me.

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'DAYDREAMER activates a top-level LOVERS goal because it is not involved in a LOVERS relationship, and one or more of its need states subsumed by the relationship are unsatisfied. A new concern is created and a positive motivating emotion of interest is created and associated with the new concern. The intrinsic importance of the goal is 0.9. This becomes the magnitude of the motivating emotion, as well as the current value for the mo

12:03

tivation of the concern.'

12:03

( via https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp/2017-11-23#20617523 ) .

12:04

mircea_popescu: i like that video series, it seems so innocent

12:04

it's not ?

12:05

also castlevania fucking rocks.

12:05

you never know with these things, but on face value it definitely is

12:05

prince of persia for z80 basically. epic for the 80s

12:06

phf do you know this k-stz guy ?

12:07

no, he's not part of the kommunity which is also probably why he doesn't suck

12:08

he also speaks ada, https://pastebin.com/PdDePdag

12:08

i like the part where he explains why 2^32 scan being 1.6 seconds is not good news for scanning 2^32

12:08

"several orders of magnitude moar"

12:09

phf dja have a conduit to invite him here ? i think smg wants to hire him.

12:09

no, but i'll give it a try, i think it's my turn to attempt to invite a random stranger to trilema and see him run away in horror

12:10

it's always everyone's turn!!11

12:22

phf so who's bike ?

12:22

other than some cannonical dood.

12:25

i know he talks on #lisp, but i don't have anything about him, i.e. i'm pretty sure he's not doing anything visible

12:29

as per intel, cannonical, mastodon. grad student, "I subsist on hot pockets".

12:29

jesus fucking christ america sucks.

12:43

heh

12:55

asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb

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12:58

asciilifeform so it appears that whitequark item is actually a many-channel log.

13:07

ben_vulpes hey, how hard would it be to add a flag (=lisp) to bpaste, make it highlight and shit as per #lisp folk spec ? ("<|3b|> mircea_popescu: links to spec in particular, + interactive paren highlighting")

13:07

!!up candi_lustt

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deedbot

candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.

13:10

meanwhile in belaboured smiles, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e148eb5931c7c33d5c1a48c116f559cd/tumblr_nkwscth1sW1sg0ns8o1_500.gif

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!W http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Wpld4/?raw=true

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candi_lustt

mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dLGSP/?raw=true

13:14

that's actually a cute idea, have a bot do the `read' on whatever's pasted, but obviously only works here, not on #lisp (since all kinds of attack vectors)

13:15

phf im giving them time to figure out republicaqn supremacy on own power.

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the obvious downside being... takes a while.

13:16

by the way, their bot's code is public. i poached their highlighter for example for btcbase file rendering

13:17

i recall you saying this way back then

13:23

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742619 <<< >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666683

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Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb

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Logged on 2017-06-06 20:38 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat; the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo)

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whaack: lemme know if this fixes.

13:24

whaack: i wrote the thing back when i was mostly using adacore's gnat

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and no further than ONE DAY BACK in this log which seemed very respectable snr-wise on the basis of my hsaving read today, there's a PILE of "how to lisp on windows" and "how to utf-8 unicode etc".

13:33

goes well with "we have nfi what could help us".

13:33

blerhgs.

13:34

fuckin whitequark

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keeps jumpin me damn browser to the pagebottom

13:35

it's a remarkable pos.

13:35

ben_vulpes: you gotta unclick "Live updates"

13:36

phf where ?

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ben_vulpes unchecks

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top, right of the searchbar

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all i have is show join/leave, which doesn't cover nick changes

13:36

exciting

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oh oh it's because i was on archived page.

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asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"

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phf afk

13:40

mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor

13:41

ben_vulpes i don't get ~anything about how the brains of these people work, so far. asking questions didn't get me much further, moved on to proposing prototypes, which... is going nowhere.

13:41

i don't want to try reimplementing emacs shittily for the browser, server-side.

13:42

just the parens highlight thing doesn't seem that gnarly. am i naive ?

13:44

shouldn't be that bad, no. i still don't understand the why of it. after five minutes of working with lisp the parens should disappear into background bookeeping on any usable brainsubstrate

13:44

myeah.

13:45

like if you need colorized parens whatever you're working on has definitely escaped your ability to hold it in your head.

13:46

tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...

13:46

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742650 << whaack plz post which gnat you have, and how it was installed

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Logged on 2017-11-23 18:37 whaack: asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"

13:47

and paste also the full barf.

13:47

!#s s2n

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4 results for "s2n", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=s2n

13:48

"break this one 'cs'prng and everything running on bezosnet is yours, kid!" https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/better-random-number-generation-for-openssl-libc-and-linux-mainline/

13:49

ben_vulpes: gotta luvv how prng now routinely 'random number generator'

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asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZaFt4/?raw=true gnat 4.6 on ubuntu 14.04.5 x64 through apt-get

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as if the 'p' evaporates, unhappens, if not mentioned

13:49

gotta love how they staple "cryptographically secure" onto "pseudo random" so unthinking derps forget about the "pseudo" part

13:50

lol aha

13:50

whaack: surreal.

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whaack: eventually i'm doomed to write a proper sha2 , apparently, gnat's apparently is shitgnomatic.

13:51

not even thinking, these people. stackframes fabricated whole from reference to "computationally secure", reader has room for 2 words, and so "pseudo" is never evaluated

13:51

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ben_vulpes bbl

13:51

( i.e. someone saw it fit to change its semantics, between versions, as if such a change is ever anything other than wrecking )

13:53

whaack: if you really want to run the example proggy, will have to get hold of 4.9 somehow

13:53

( or adacore's gnat )

13:55

alright I'll look into it more later, for my purposes I think ben_vulpes's code will be sufficient for now

13:57

aite

13:58

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742659 <<< see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733724

13:58

Logged on 2017-11-23 18:46 mircea_popescu: tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...

13:58

Logged on 2017-11-07 22:59 asciilifeform: this is the fate of all 'we don't have an ideology' derps

13:58

quite.

13:58

"room has no owner, therefore evidently no possible utility." and so on.

13:58

to have ideology is sorta like the coherence of laser light.

13:59

decohered -- aimless ooze, the peaks cancel, no movement.

13:59

in that if you don't have one, you have the wreckers'.

14:00

who has none, is a plaything for the wind, the insects, the fungi.

14:00

anwyay : such is true luxury in life, to be able to disinterestedly walk into #lisp, spend an hour evaling and shrug.

14:00

marriott-luxury a very poor substituter.

14:07

in other not-yet-noose, asciilifeform considered the q of : can show a lower bound for how quickly (i.e. bits leaked per bit of ciphertext sent ) any n-bit-keyed symmetriccipher leaks its key , from purely informationtheoretical grounds ? or not.

14:07

not an idle consideration

14:08

imho it is an approachable thing. but i haven't yet the pill.

14:08

could restate as the q of whether 'distance from ideal otp' is a quantifiable matter .

14:09

and then proceed to something resembling concept of carnot efficiency, but for cipher.

14:10

this'd be lovely.

14:10

spealking of which, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f06516359073a4f18eec03d850c7e8b9/tumblr_ne5qx4NTyZ1u1p6qjo1_1280.jpg

14:11

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asciilifeform bbl, meat

14:20

speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop.

14:20

she's tallied up all the sugar we saved, comes to almost a quarter ton!

14:21

cranberry sauce recipe goes "mix one cup of liquid with cup and a half of sugar" and so following.

14:21

"basically i multiply the portions by 8 and divide the sugar also by 8"

14:22

1/64th of the recommended dosage is just about enough to be exaggerate for normal human!

~ 19 minutes ~

14:41

<asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ? << direct translation of testosterone. Probably what's being marketed is a depot formulation of testosterone attached to a long chain esther

14:41

<mircea_popescu> speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop. << How's your stuffing coming along?

~ 1 hours ~

15:42

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 <- oh, hey, thank you; ftr I took it, changed the type'Image things and then it compiled perfectly fine (with gnatmake 4.9.3, gcc 4.9.4)

15:42

Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz

15:43

fwiw I remember at some point I ran into weird issues with gnat that were apparently due to mismatched gcc version

15:46

diana_conman: cool, when I get back to it I'll try switching out my gnat/gcc first

15:48

BingoBoingo moar eastern style, deviled eggs, apple pie, that sorta thing. bbq lamb...

15:48

Nice

15:48

This year's bird here is a beef brisket

~ 17 minutes ~

16:06

I'm thinking about buying a server in the North Sea

16:07

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diana_coman had this flash image of shinohai paddling in the North Sea atop a server

16:07

nah there is this crazy family that has a micronation in the middle of the ocean.

16:08

i just introduced them to trb

16:08

xD

16:09

what is a micronation?

16:09

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

16:09

they have a rack of servers and i can buy one lol

16:10

oh, the Floating Bear sort of thing, lol; close to "atop a server"

16:10

very much so! :D

16:12

im going to be tmsr ambassador to sealand! xD

16:14

ok, i have some idea why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742652 because i've done it in the past. when you're debugging issues for complete newbs, you basically instinctually looking for two things, imbalanced parenthesis and misuse of intrinsics. yeah you could copy paste that stuff to your emacs buffer, but if what you're doing is essentially social service work, you get burned out on doing deep help pretty fast, hence you want to keep it in the p

16:14

Logged on 2017-11-23 18:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor

16:14

aster

16:17

i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same

16:24

<shinohai> nah there is this crazy family that has a micronation in the middle of the ocean. << That's awfully close to airstrip one

16:30

sovereignty ftw

16:31

i want to at least host my blog there

16:32

How much do boxes there run, and you've been blogging?

16:33

1000 /yr and whoreticulture of course

16:35

i guess i could write about the #trilema-church project

16:36

trilema-church i think has to be a danielpbarron project

16:37

so here's a something : on one hand i very much like https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX33qsWIAAdMW3.jpg ; on the other hand i am kinda considering hiring a court artist for my own personal self-aggrandization.

16:38

the idiot author of the linked piece is too fucking dumb to answer emails to his god damned own contact email as provided by patreon, notwithstanding he evidently is fucking starving. ho the fuck even told these schmucks they're at liberty to you know, "make own decisions" such as not pick up phone from god ?

16:38

but anyway -- does anyone want to go through all of deviantart until they find either something like that or something that doesn't suck ? for the purpose of helping the first tmsr appointed artist get his appointment ?

16:39

(deviantart here used as metasyntactic notation for "whatever shitty forum these mortidifame gather upon")

16:39

i can try mircea_popescu

16:39

thats awesum

16:39

ok but intensively plox. "can try" as in you know, i checked out 1mn pix.

16:40

oh ill bug the oc artist above intensively

16:40

lmao no no

16:40

OTHER ones is the idea.

16:40

this one... whatever, learn to answer.

16:40

u just want to look @ similar ones?

16:40

Not picking up phone from God is disqualifying via character defect

16:40

i don't even care if they're similar per se, just as long as they're good.

16:41

and show the proper values, such as demeaning women, bare cunts, etcetera.

16:41

in other Argentine explosions: http://archive.is/2BThJ

16:42

shinohai basically just go through all the pages of https://www.deviantart.com/cartoons/whats-hot/ i guess

16:50

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742727 << wouldn't something like "run it by candi" work as an infinitely better solution to this problem than html-css ?

16:50

Logged on 2017-11-23 21:17 phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same

17:02

misplaced parenthesis is tricky to debug from the error messages, in fact i usually can't. i can usually intuit that the error is probably a result of misplaced parent, but then i still have to go an track it down

17:04

i mean, a _misplaced_ parenthesis will result in a valid parse, but the error is going to be something along the lines of "error while parsing arguments to special form" or "argument x is not a number" or "function call with n arguments, but wants exactly m"

~ 24 minutes ~

17:29

http://archive.is/FSLHx <<< lollerz

~ 47 minutes ~

18:16

hardcoregaming101 "modernized" their website, original http://hg101.kontek.net/, new http://www.hardcoregaming101.net. it took me a while to realize that "new" site is not in fact a lost domain. in the process old site is still there, but half the links are broken. welcome to "modern"!

18:26

well the old one was prolly confusing

~ 33 minutes ~

19:00

asciilifeform: how where do you source your cat5e? i've been using a leftover roll from my contracting days, but it finally ran out. went on amazon, not only are prices somewhat suspect (300m for $40?), but comments say that they cable doesn't actually conform to spec (wrong insulation, wrong conductor, etc.)

19:00

/how //

19:10

100% is made in china and the chinese don't respect any specs other than some stuff written on an old napkin in the head office.

~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~

20:27

http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NDfgM/?raw=true 4,512.058 btc sent to 1045 non-trb-recognizable outputs as determined by ben_vulpe's block slicer in block 495813. The paste shows (txn-hash output num-satoshis) for every bunk output.

20:31

I will work on creating an index of all of these non standard outputs of the form (txn-hash:output-index --> satoshis) sum up all the satoshis sent into the abyss from all past blocks, and then subtract spent coins in future blocks to get a value of how many coins are in the abyss at block n

~ 47 minutes ~

21:19

phf: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CA2V7I0

21:20

mine fwiw was copper. but who knows nao, could easily have become pure chinesium any day.

~ 24 minutes ~

21:45

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742762 << so basically ~0%

21:45

Logged on 2017-11-24 01:27 whaack: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NDfgM/?raw=true 4,512.058 btc sent to 1045 non-trb-recognizable outputs as determined by ben_vulpe's block slicer in block 495813. The paste shows (txn-hash output num-satoshis) for every bunk output.

21:45

nice work.

21:45

!!rated whaack

21:45

deedbot

mircea_popescu rated whaack 1 at 2015/04/04 16:13:45 << New blood

21:46

!!rate whaack 2 computed total segwit impact on bitcoin ecosystem. turned out to be less than 1 parts per thousand.

21:46

deedbot

Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P30rs/?raw=true

21:46

doesn't mean much, that was just the recent block. also not necessarily segwit

21:46

bbl

21:47

oh, i read UP TO block x

21:47

aha no i was kinda surprised by how much it was in 1 block tbh

21:49

18.376 total .

~ 16 minutes ~

22:06

Still that's every address that starts with 3, so likely some no segwit turds in there

~ 28 minutes ~

22:34

!~ticker --market all

22:34

BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8105.67, vol: 9227.57351752 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8081.1, vol: 38473.41676882 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 3450.0, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8024.7, vol: 4535.55664029 | Volume-weighted last average: 8080.54322673

22:36

!~bcstats

22:36

~ 54 minutes ~

23:31

in other items, https://i.imgur.com/1lfVFJu.jpg

23:35

asciilifeform: ty, and another question, where was the code for that com1 to display thing that you had?

23:39

heh, we now also have a heathen logger.

23:39

i invited him, actually.

23:42

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phf nods

23:42

possibly the most logged channel on freenode, by now.

23:43

i like some features that he has, live updates, also the convention of <date>#<id>;<filter>

23:44

so, e.g. https://irclog.whitequark.org/trilema/2017-11-24#20622825;heathen

23:44

err, wait that actually made no sense..

23:44

seems to work, like a search.

23:45

well, right, it highlights a specific post, but also filters, so ...#;foo works as a whole day filter

23:47

not a terrible idea, imo.

23:51

in fact, a per-day filtered-histogram could conceivably be very fucking useful hunting down large topics.

23:51

put one pixel line per day, from top to bottom, counting the occurences of $filter.

23:53

that would be a useful feature, that's almost like a part of search functionality

23:53

sorta numerically enhanced topic finding.

23:54

because #; in question is a javascript and for a specific day. since we use links for xref, i'm not sure what the semantic value of linking is going to be in that case. also mandatory javascript

23:55

not mandatory js at all, can do this server side

23:55

make a call like histograph?derpage, puts out a png with the histograph for that item

23:55

oh you mean your example, not what whitequark has

23:55

well yes.

23:57

i don't think the functionality as such is particularly useful, i prefer the search. however the perspective actually is, filters would prolly empower the searching mind.

23:57

some kind of noun density or such.

23:59