#ossasepia | 2019-09-11

Logged on 2019-09-08 08:46:18 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-07#1001553 - aha, arbitrary shape deformation is one tool for "sculpting" 3D shapes (hence stuff like characters or monsters in a game for instance), indeed; the question for you here is whether this is something that really speaks to you (because if it is and you are willing to work it properly, there's a good opportunity with eulora right there)

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Logged on 2019-09-07 22:45:12 shrysr: the closest i guess i came to graphics was with my masters thesis... using a software called sculptor - they used something called arbitrary shape deformation (ASD) and NURBS to deform geometries i.e meshes and create quick variations of geometry instead of completely remeshing for each change. i used to find meshing very challenging...kindda hated that part of the whole process, then slowly became

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Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001904 - the question with India is if you are yet enough of yourself to go back and impose your own terms rather than having the local terms imposed on you; familiarity cuts 2 ways in this sort of thing and there IS a cost to it too.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:47:12 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001842 << TBH : i do not care much abt where i live.... india is comfortable being home fwiw. All this.. shift to canada.. etc etc has been... towards a 'career' ... 'cool ppl' etc. That career itself is 'changing' now. For eg: If i had decided in india - fuck mech engg - whether IT/data-hag/banking whateva - i dont think i wd have bothered abt the west.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 12:34:12 diana_coman: but more importantly and now that you saw enough (?) of both: where do you actually want to live?

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and now I remember how 25yo me shocked some Swiss interviewers: "why Switzerland? *shrug* For me the world has only 2 countries: Romania aka home and...the rest of the world"

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meanwhile the world actually got smaller, if anything; and there is only "home" aka wherever I am.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001906 - you may care only about work but note that the rest will still care about you and with a big, sharp stick at that; you already got that 8-guys beating once *precisely for this*, do you realise?

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:47:14 shrysr: i'm saying that --- i just care abt work. and becoming the best i can and doing great work...(well eventually atleast), and Its FAR more enjoyable working with ppl who have brains.

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it's true that canadians will not bother to beat you for it but that makes it only more difficult for you to even *notice it*; it most certainly doesn't make it go away.

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the above being said, there's nothing wrong with working your way towards it all, sure.

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ty diana_coman! ftr, I'm finding the discussions here very instructive, so I've decided to finally join

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001907 - seriously.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:55:40 shrysr: http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/#selection-171.0-171.114 << seriously ??!!! ?????????

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001909 - heh, cheers!

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Logged on 2019-09-10 22:09:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001894 << this is beautifully stated btw :D

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Logged on 2019-09-10 19:38:19 diana_coman: you *need to* feel it up/play with it to actually master it, no matter what "it" is.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001911 - quite.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 22:09:58 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001900 << exactly. think about it: do you master a language *before* speaking your first word? master walking *before* even taking a first step? "master eating" before taking first bite? While comedic to a point, this is very serious. In the latter example you'd starve to death on a very real level.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 19:59:50 shrysr: perhaps some elements of 'not smart..'. i guess more related to 'mastery' of the whole thing *before* playing, rather than playing repeatedly to gain mastery... and actually playing with... no 'restriction'. its not present everywhere as far as i can see... but its obviously there where it shdnt be.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1001932 - oh, hey, great to hear it! and feel free to ask /comment.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 09:08:37 spyked: ty diana_coman! ftr, I'm finding the discussions here very instructive, so I've decided to finally join

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well done

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for readers and everyone else, whaack followed #trilema thread http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935546

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Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:26 whaack: greetings. following the advice of the lords http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914428 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914460 i am getting out of the reich and moving back to CR. I'm going there this weekend for a week to secure a lease, then moving there permanently mid October. This time I'm saying my goodbyes to the meatwot and have secured remote employment so I will not have to set foot in

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Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.

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whaack: what's your name?

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Will Haack

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nice; way better than reading it as "whaaaaack" in my head all the time, lol

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aha it is the default for a lot of usernames generated fro first/last names. and of course it stuck. the last name is pronounced Hawk

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making a joke about the name "will hack" has served as the icebreaker for 50% of my job interviews

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whaack assumes the "how may i help, starting today" is implied

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heh; so what sort of jobs were those you did?

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whaack: *nothing* is implied, no; be explicit for your own good, because if the other party is left to "imply", you never know just *what* they might decide it was really.

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whaack: also, you still got that wrong, lol.

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lol. they were various software development internships at reich corps, as well as working in the startup circus

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no need to be shy though, consider all ice broken (and all grizzly bears hungry).

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whaack: ok, but what did you get to do exactly?

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shrysr: ha, "today" finally came? :D

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diana_coman: lol ..well i tried to clean it up a little so i wdnt get 'extra' sharp stick :P

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shrysr: well, avoiding the extra sharp stick by running the very real possibility of a super-sharp-stick for silently not quite keeping your word *to the letter* is not such a great approach though, is it?

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understand that your word will forever matter only to the extent that one can rely on what you say; as in fully rely, *every* time.

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okay.

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shrysr: does the above fully get to you?

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shrysr!

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yes it does... its kindda why i prefer silence to opening my mouth in general... but here it also means

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sticking to what i say

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i will do.

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good.

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as to preferences of silence, ahem, get better preferences, you know? lolz

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how's that erp thing going meanwhile anyway?

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they seem to have forgotten me for now... w.r.t pressure... but since i've been offered 'help', i need to keep up my word there. its... going on i guess. I've still spent more time away from it than i shd i guess...

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aha; put in some work there too so you don't end up in last-minute pressure thing again.

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Some examples: (1) For an advertising company I made a graphic tool where they could create an arbitrarily shaped polygon on a world map. Then I would query their db of user models that contained most recent lat/lng data and it would filter out users outside of the polygon. (2) For an internship at Goolag I made a dashboard in javascript that was an interface ontop of SQL that let management do queries for how many users wer

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e using Docs between X and Y dates on devices A B C, etc. (3) For a real estate startup I made this platform in python/django where there were 3 different types of users - landlords, tenants, and service-workers landlords could create models in the db that represented their leases that they could then attach tenant users to. tenants could see details regarding their lease and submit tickets for "work-requests" which could be

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assigned to service-workers etc.

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diana_coman: yes.. ima not let that happen. will try.

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whaack: what did you use for that graphic tool?

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for the location filter iirc i used mapbox

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whaack: what is mapbox? and for the actual graph, what was it, browser stuff or what?

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mapbox is an api that gives you a world map similar to google maps. it had the ability to click points on the map and then get the lat/lngs of all the clicked points. yes it was in an in browser tool

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so to clarify, because upon rereading i think my initial example overclaims, i setup and tweaked the knobs on an existing api for their use. as for the code that obtained the users inside the polygon, i looked up a solution to the convex hull problem and used that

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and i remember i made it go a little faster by first filtering out users who were not inside the "bounding box" of the polygon - i.e. not within the minx, maxx, miny, maxy rectangle of the polygon

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whaack: ah, I get some idea of the thing now, yes; and what are you meant to do in this job you have lined up now?

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i got brought on to finish up some work with an existing ipad app that is used in speech therapy sessions for children who cannot pronounce the letter r

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ipad app eurgh

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yeah lol

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i took what i could find

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for the job i have one developer who i assign tasks to. my work involves mostly going through an existing codebase and finding and fixing bugs.

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ahahah; by "fixing" you mean assigning them to the dev or what?

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no, i do it myself mostly. the dev works very part time and i just make well defined tickets of usually pretty easy tasks for him to do

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there are also a few features they want to tack on, and i mostly give him those

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whaack: *nothing* is implied, no; be explicit for your own good, because if the other party is left to "imply", you never know just *what* they might decide it was really. << ack.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1001929 << i have to admit this is true ... even considering the whole story of that incident, and also in general at mines.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 08:43:49 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001906 - you may care only about work but note that the rest will still care about you and with a big, sharp stick at that; you already got that 8-guys beating once *precisely for this*, do you realise?

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:47:14 shrysr: i'm saying that --- i just care abt work. and becoming the best i can and doing great work...(well eventually atleast), and Its FAR more enjoyable working with ppl who have brains.

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whaack: maybe make a summary with any tmsr-related things that you did so far and otherwise any tmsr parts/items you find interesting

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whaack: how does that sound?

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that sounds like a good plan. brb

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whaack: good then; let me know what's your deadline for it.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1001924 no atm. yes, there is definitely a cost. w.r.t time and energy - i believe canada wd take significantly less of it in general. Also - a minimal subsistence is sort of easier here. For eg: a pipe-fitter or common welder in India is likely to live in a shack whereas here - they do not. plus - fwiw : you get some sort of pension here (eventually),

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Logged on 2019-09-11 08:37:50 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001904 - the question with India is if you are yet enough of yourself to go back and impose your own terms rather than having the local terms imposed on you; familiarity cuts 2 ways in this sort of thing and there IS a cost to it too.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:47:12 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001842 << TBH : i do not care much abt where i live.... india is comfortable being home fwiw. All this.. shift to canada.. etc etc has been... towards a 'career' ... 'cool ppl' etc. That career itself is 'changing' now. For eg: If i had decided in india - fuck mech engg - whether IT/data-hag/banking whateva - i dont think i wd have bothered abt the west.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 12:34:12 diana_coman: but more importantly and now that you saw enough (?) of both: where do you actually want to live?

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quite enough to survive, afaik in india that is applicable only in government jobs, and is grossly insufficient in any case.

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shrysr: by the time you are old enough for that pension, it won't probably exist anymore/come to anything; don't count on a pension, no.

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diana_coman will bbl

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no, i've never really counted on it, as in the idea that i'd make enough money to not bother. fwiw, i presume a portion of tax paid goes to that. well discounting even more so since reading the trilema piece yest on the universal plan of wealth. From that article's perspective - india would work, and i shdnt be here? if that is assumed to be true, without any comprehension atm ofc, then wtf am i doing

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here? I guess i was first inclined to think i need to get out of current misery, go back and then figure out, but this answers my question, 'home' or not.

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Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001914 appreciate the kind words..fwiw quite likely my retard-level is off the charts .... but ima try *do* more and help you win your bet ;).

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Logged on 2019-09-10 21:54:40 lobbes: shrysr: really, just jump into that code and start chewing. Compared to your knowledge level now, I was an utter retard when I started my tmsr journey (arguably still am), yet somehow I made it into the lordship by the simple act of *doing things*. Hell, even now I bet you could blow me out of the water if you simply started eating

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002001 - note that I said *are* not have! Every.Word.Counts. And the cost I was talking about was that of *familiarity*, not the obvious cost of move+having to deal with disorganised-everything (I get a feeling that Romania is closer to India than anything else; just less crowded maybe).

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Logged on 2019-09-11 13:44:02 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1001924 no atm. yes, there is definitely a cost. w.r.t time and energy - i believe canada wd take significantly less of it in general. Also - a minimal subsistence is sort of easier here. For eg: a pipe-fitter or common welder in India is likely to live in a shack whereas here - they do not. plus - fwiw : you get some sort of pension here (eventually),

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Logged on 2019-09-11 08:37:50 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001904 - the question with India is if you are yet enough of yourself to go back and impose your own terms rather than having the local terms imposed on you; familiarity cuts 2 ways in this sort of thing and there IS a cost to it too.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 20:47:12 shrysr: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001842 << TBH : i do not care much abt where i live.... india is comfortable being home fwiw. All this.. shift to canada.. etc etc has been... towards a 'career' ... 'cool ppl' etc. That career itself is 'changing' now. For eg: If i had decided in india - fuck mech engg - whether IT/data-hag/banking whateva - i dont think i wd have bothered abt the west.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 12:34:12 diana_coman: but more importantly and now that you saw enough (?) of both: where do you actually want to live?

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shrysr: the way to evaluate "minimal subsistence" is by looking at *actual* living cost; not by looking at what lowest-paid employee gets.

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002008 - yes, you are anyway paying *now* for the pension that you'll never really get meaningfully.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 14:11:30 shrysr: no, i've never really counted on it, as in the idea that i'd make enough money to not bother. fwiw, i presume a portion of tax paid goes to that. well discounting even more so since reading the trilema piece yest on the universal plan of wealth. From that article's perspective - india would work, and i shdnt be here? if that is assumed to be true, without any comprehension atm ofc, then wtf am i doing

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002009 - as I said, you DO need a plan http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001848

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Logged on 2019-09-11 14:11:33 shrysr: here? I guess i was first inclined to think i need to get out of current misery, go back and then figure out, but this answers my question, 'home' or not.

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Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.

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Logged on 2019-09-10 13:19:44 diana_coman: eh, for one thing you won't be able to "optimally" anything upfront like that; you DO need a plan and a thorough one, sure, but you'll actually find exactly what the problems are only once you are on the ground.

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shrysr: I suppose canada takes less effort atm simply because you are there; and you are in a more fortunate position than whaack since you have a different citizenship

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sorta.... i kindda meant - there are 'systems' or some frameworks to support some portion of the basics? for eg i attended these sessions about 'self-employment' that the immigration council organise when jobless in toronto... i thought it was useful. they actually offer 'consultants' or some level of help to help navigate the regulations.... in india - i guess at some point it wd involve bribing somebody,

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which depending on the bribe amount, is less work. not that i have exp starting a business anywhere.

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anyway and to round it up: there is no place that "would work" because it can't work by itself, no; the crucial bit is precisely *you* and specifically what you do; *you* can "make it work", not the place itself.

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you have however the *choice of place*

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in other words, that choice = choice of set of problems to deal with

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shrysr: yes, there are systems and frameworks that "support" *what they want you to do*; and if you haven't yet found out directly, you'll find quickly that ~same ones *also* stay in the way of anything you would actually want to do outside of them.

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re starting a business, mhm, iirc you..sold some kilos, lolz.

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i guess I do not doubt that wd be the case re: systems. there is no place that wd work then yes.

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by itself, it simply can't be, no.

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there is this saying around here: it works, if you work it.

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shrysr: the moment you need to hire someone just to "navigate the regulations" , you can be sure that they pretty much own you.

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haha...lol. I have also 'participated' in a BPO my friend ran.. i just kindda helped, owned nothing. the thrill was in sourcing...good quality stuff. the selling kindda sucked... but luckily I did not hav to do too much of that myself. I shd say that it was mostly 'team effort' in the sense -unlikely i cd have done it alone being an 'outsider'.

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so in that case you are probably better off just being honest about it, find someone who agrees to actually own you and be done with it, at least that person will then *also* be committed to get the best out of you.

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shrysr: team effort, sure; the important part is quality of the team and if it's *your* team or not

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002038 was in continuation to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002036

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Logged on 2019-09-11 16:26:11 diana_coman: so in that case you are probably better off just being honest about it, find someone who agrees to actually own you and be done with it, at least that person will then *also* be committed to get the best out of you.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 16:24:11 diana_coman: shrysr: the moment you need to hire someone just to "navigate the regulations" , you can be sure that they pretty much own you.

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*your* team as in?

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as in: are you the leader that they follow or not.

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the core of the difference between the two places is anyway one of systems vs relationships

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correct.

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simplified, of course (because in practice it's a combination of both anyway, in both places)

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and no -lol, they definitely not *my* team in that instance... more like the few who humored my drive to get more + cheap + no compromise on quality i guess... favorable results for all. they were a lot more 'battle hardened' than me.... i guess i was 'smart' in a different way perhaps and thats why it worked. i.e not the junkie who flunked classes.

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shrysr: being one single instance, it's hard to have been your team, yes; the obs was more general, not for that particular instance, no.

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other than that, yes, be smarter than them, obviously.

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!o uptime

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diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 3d 22h 5m

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shrysr: for that matter I suppose in India you have the advantage of being perceived by default as smarter because you studied+worked abroad; conversely and from what you say, you have this in reverse, as a disadvantage in canada

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but again, what matters is what you do, in either case.

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fwiw: i did kindda find a guy towards the end in toronto. he runs a company..has a PhD.. iirc building a software that forms a bridge to different kinds of db's. meet him at a meetup and he was a speaker. after intro and sob story of CFD - i told him - i am trying to break into ds, and rather than build a stupid portfolio - lemme do stuff for you and later you hire me if you like. he was quite willing...

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down the line he had plans to hire for 'sales help' very similar to technical sales, but in 'AI'... https://www.linkedin.com/in/fjeanson/ that iirc was the time i got current offer.

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shrysr: doesn't look like anything special though; sure, send your data to us, not to google

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they want a bit of the same pie though

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in fairness, I suppose you'd probably have gotten sucked in for longer.

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shrysr: 4.3 in your draft doesn't parse, I don't know what you are trying to say there.

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re 'smarter' - i dont think so.... its pretty mixed in any case in india. some have disdain for foreign education.. others dont. I believe it made no difference at all in terms of getting interview opportunities - but obv made difference once inside in terms of imo common-sense dealing and not being ... well afraid to ask questions.. as others always appeared to be. I guess less to do with eduation

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overall, perhaps more related to communication being clear. I'm not sure what value any education has in canada, the feeling is that they dont give a shit .... if anything, locally 'known' college helps more than saying top 100 university... which i've tried.

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6.1 is endearing

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shrysr: you keep thinking everywhere in terms of "earn from"; are you aware of the implication of this? and for that matter, of the alternative to it?

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there were also many who have said - after first job in canada (which is damningly tough usually) - 2nd or subsequent shifts are *much* easier... idk yet. w.r.t apps i havent truly put my back into it.. - there was always a confusion as to... am i mech engg? ds? da? apply everywhere? ditch mech engg? its only recently i realised .... i just dont see the point of mech engg anymore. i wanted combustion, i

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wanted design... i wanted R&D... none of it abundantly avialable. i *am* in a combustion equipment mftr company! I havent seen fire in like... 8 months!! *came here* to play with fire.

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well, all ..sorts of fire to play with.

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3.1 medical+dental -> aren't those waaaay cheaper in india when you pay for them yourself aka "private"?

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re 4.3 : basically what i meant abt CFD/mech engg and not being able to learn shit on a computer that translates usefully... like i cant learn much abt compressors without being in a company that makes them... say if thats all there is in canada - i am classified 'newbie/unfit' irrespective of theoretical knowledge, and i cant make up deficit.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002065 << shrysr -- make sure to get realistic picture of the actual amt of 'earning inside tmsr' happing atm. right nao there's diana_coman , who worx for mp; and BingoBoingo , who worx for piz ( currently powered by savings of asciilifeform and mod6 ) . errybody else toils in the saeculum .

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Logged on 2019-09-11 16:49:33 diana_coman: shrysr: you keep thinking everywhere in terms of "earn from"; are you aware of the implication of this? and for that matter, of the alternative to it?

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shrysr: if your primary interest is 'quit day job' you will break teeth very, very painfully. we had a coupla folx like that.

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asciilifeform: lmao; and MP? and hanbot and nicoleci?

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diana_coman: i suppose you can count'em, but shrysr prolly already familiar.

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was speaking of folx that shrysr has a shot at 'becoming' , strictly .

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asciilifeform: well, either you make a realistic picture or you "already familiar" assumption; anyway and ftr, I don't suggest to anyone to just "jump", no.

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asciilifeform: familiar as in i know they exist...thats really abt it. MP a little more via his blog post, nicoleci - only recently. I dint know hanbot human or bot

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blog* not blog post

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but whether break teeth or not, it largely depends on a. person b. situation

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can't ignore it, sure, but just blanket-assume it either

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meant: can't ignore it, sure, but can't just blanket-assume it either

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what exactly meant by break teeth btw.. lol. fwiw dentists fucking thieves here. But damm, they have these gels and make sure you dont feel shit. India : mostly Full ON pain... no gel nothing. DENTISTS are what scare me the most btw. i am usually sweating rivers on their chair before they touch me. re: cheaper private in india : not really no. really depends on the job they doing i guess... health industry

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big time scam. Smart ppl take up insurance v young and max possible...

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http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002075 - ?? the whole point is to become the best he can be, not to become fucking me or bingo or someone else, ffs.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 17:17:02 asciilifeform: was speaking of folx that shrysr has a shot at 'becoming' , strictly .

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shrysr: he means that it won't work and you'll end up in bigger trouble.

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uhm, weird; for one thing: yes, I know full on pain dentists from childhood mostly but uhm, so...what? pain, yes.

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diana_coman: funnily enuff i have a 'full pain dentist' right here in usa.

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it dun bother me so much, i think of it as practice run for when in gestapo chair.

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for the other thing you choose dentist just like you choose anything else, so pay and ask for what you want, what.

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asciilifeform: do they still have those old chairs and clunky-drills that vibrate your brains out too?

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diana_coman: if he's stuck w/ 'insurances' prolly has pretty tight choose. but i'ma let him answer.

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to get shrysr properly sweating at least

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diana_coman: they do !

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well pain is fine. have fair share of scars... not to mention tendency to form kidney stones which i am told ranks *most painful*. but dentists!!!!!! cmon. the drill... the fucking smell of bone or whatever...its fucking insane. LOL we have a 'family dentist' who takes care of of us back home... she does what She wants. there's no 'telling em', like here...

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ahaha, so shrysr should visit asciilifeform for next dentist-appointment

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diana_coman: usa dentists are 1 or 2 notches above 'door with rope'

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asciilifeform: lol, so... western; Western even.

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lolyes

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shrysr: uhm, so ...why didn't you become a dentist? do anything you want with a drill sounds not-bad

17:16

now that would be something: literally getting out the daily drill!

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anyways, back to the draft, shrysr, you should read http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/

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well - if i have a time machine... wd probably just join a bank... accountant or somethin. say FUCK science and DEF fuck engineering.... not even bother w/comp sci. dentist/doc highly lucrative true. 0 interest really even if so...i may like eat-your-brains capability... but i dislike causing pain... well physical pain for sure.

17:20

my dad explicitly advised... get into accounting in fact. i said WTF adding numbers in different ways??? sounds like a dumbass job. he still laughs abt it when i curse engg.

17:20

shrysr: ahahaha, well, you are/were *both* right :D

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17:36

diana_coman: ok reading piece on intelligent person. i did read btw the post on budget yesterday....

17:40

shrysr: kind of curious whether/to what extent it makes sense to you.

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18:23

http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002077 - hanbot is human, writes at thewhet.net; there's a list of blogs with description even (if you hover) on younghands.club, ahem.

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Logged on 2019-09-11 17:17:08 shrysr: asciilifeform: familiar as in i know they exist...thats really abt it. MP a little more via his blog post, nicoleci - only recently. I dint know hanbot human or bot

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diana_coman: hmm. ok -i know nothing abt gambling. card games.. casinos. never really been (vaguely recall 1 visit)... so i dont get those bits. However - i completely agree that only a well designed system *will* be used and can sustain - esp when introduced new / replacing. Otherwise the system just dies/ wont be used even after initial interest. I followed more or less the same approach as i see in the

18:55

article for my first and kindda fav project (in terms of impact)... first time i learnt python on my own and did initial research against express wishes of mgmt - who finally caved in when i blurted the 'IT guy XX will take the rest of his life.. gimme 1 month, and will do alongside main job'. http://s.ragavan.co/projects/cfx-job-scheduler/ ... the code is shit.... approach is simplicity itself - some

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stacked chairs...crude .. some holes...some dependent on user permissions in windows by admin. even this was deemed 'wont work'... worked for 3+ years. 1 year in my absence after i left mine... which is when they finally bought a fucking computing cluster for simulations iirc. the point is - the whole project and thought process --- very aligned to the layers described.

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essentially... i made it SO easy to use... that they cdnt resist. lol. fwiw: it was a crude system. Some lucky factors too. for eg: the same machines used for daily computing, meshing, CAD etc were simultaneously running simulations... Xeon E5 2643 iirc.. that itself iirc was my suggestion to purchase. no choice w.r.t separate cluster. but that system literally 'transformed team image'... lol. before that

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i was trying to build GUI control... using python + tkinter. but i cant rem where I got stuck. I think w.r.t threading or launching prog in bg without freezing GUI... anyway - GUI was 'luxury' there... or added complication anyway.

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poor man's CFD cluster i guess.

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20:54

diana_coman: so my previous work is a just few qntra articles http://qntra.net/author/whaack/ . I started to do research on how many coins are in the segwit ecosystem but did not finish. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741793 Stan mentioned from that thread that a sha256 in CL was needed, perhaps that is still an open task? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742513

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whaack + Will Haack is the coolest nick + name evaaaaa..... right next to BingoBoingo .. which i still chant now n then.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001817 << but github does support signing? https://help.github.com/en/articles/signing-commits

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Logged on 2019-09-10 07:11:05 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-09#1001798 - note also that code is effectively created as useful item (and as opposed to random text/found on github) *by the signers*

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Logged on 2019-09-09 15:29:32 asciilifeform: (i.e. it becomes indistinguishable from the background hum of the universe, coad found on shithub, etc. someone could read it still and sign it, but few will find any desire to bother )

21:48

shrysr: signing where some remote box, belonging to enemies, purports to verify and tells you the answer via www , aint signing at all, do you understand why ?

21:49

because there is no WoT ?

21:50

shrysr: because they can give you whatever answer they feel like.

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shrysr: as for shithub, do you understand that when you put material there, yer working for microshit for free ?

21:52

re shithub yes.

21:52

my recent job has me working with shithub. i uploaded code that i never signed that has a green sticker "verified" by me

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really! wtf

21:53

whaack: lotsa salt mines in usa use shithub internally, they gave up on maintaining own repo (why -- ask'em, not me)

21:54

every 1nce in a while these get marked 'public' through some bitflip and then lulz

21:54

wait - they host on 'private' repos? does that mean MS has access to all their code ?

21:54

shrysr: 'private'. and noshit has access.

21:55

thats quite.... strange. i mean - if bread and butter is that code - why host on github at all..private or not? i mean even with what little i know - i wdnt do that.

21:55

recently ms bought shithub so to bolster its claim to 'support opensores'. dun help'em.

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shrysr: i can't say why they do it. there's this religious belief that 'they wouldn't peek', same people also think that google doesn't read their email etc.

21:58

the latter group of people don't even understand what a private key is tho, by and large

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this new 'social media generation'

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lobbes: how wouldja even explain concept of 'private' to people who dun even own a computer.

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lobbes: these same people, can't even hide porn under bed from mother. where would they put 'private' key.

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well, they think they 'own their phone' at least. but yeah, indeed, how to even start the explaination

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well..even brief look at the ads is enough to confirm google does i guess? its prolly like treasure trove for em. ... same for shithub.. how cd they not peek? i guess if i had chance - i def would... but isnt - private key / encryption or atleast fundamentals kindda 101 for atleast comp sci ppl ?

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shrysr: believe or not, i've met people who passed whatever freshman course, and can say how e.g. rsa worx, but somehow fail to understand that when you keep the key on a 3rd party's machine, it aint private in any sense

22:07

they have a fairy tale in their heads, about how the shithole they live in supposedly works, and this aint removable via mathematical education, only via bitter experience (if then)

22:08

it is for them that theatrical spectacles like 'apple defied fbi!111' and similar, are put on

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but apple did defy .............. ??

22:12

shrysr: when you see 'muppet show' where frog kermit has argument with piggy, you understand that they are puppets, one on each hand of puppeteer, right ? cuz you aren't 3yo

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yes? you mean it was all fucking staged?

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noshit

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same theatre as with the frong. just for slightly larger children.

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*frog

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*

shrysr thinking... fuck me...

22:15

so there *is* a backdoor on each iphone ?

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not only each, but collectively .

22:16

how do you think 'updates' work.

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or what do you suppose 'cloud storage' is about in the first place.

22:20

but why! if this abt 'control' everything, but then get what ? nation of drones ?

22:20

another puppet example: I work at one of those 'big banks', specifically in a 'compliance' dept. doing 'reporting'. I always laugh when coworkers say "it is like we are the police of the bank", to which I say: "No, it is more like an elaborate interpretative dance!"

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I've lost count of how many times the 'reports' are changed/fudged before release, or how completely constructed ALL of the data is, or how many times I've heard that the various audit agents of the 'OCC' (office of comptrollers of the currency) literally just look for some % of issues boxes to tick on their sheet. It is all pretend, to make it *look like something* is happening. To justify the printing

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of more useless fiat to keep the bloated limbs dancing

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to justify lining various bureaucrats' pockets. they who contribute nothing, but expect something

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