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01:07 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
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01:07 a111 Logged on 2018-09-12 14:18 asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
01:09 trinque and this is just the broad overview. in /usr/portage/profile there's what, tens of layers of dependency nesting. in some cases the children override the parent; in others they appear to append
01:09 trinque work carries on, just wanted to give word from the mineshaft
01:11 * trinque has scripts in progress to flatten the profile tree into a single profile, where it can be inspected and therefore judged.
01:13 trinque and it's plainly obvious by now that the kind of autistic mind that produces these tangled trees does so to attempt to exhaust the judging eye
01:15 trinque "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
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02:06 trinque aaand just built a working nano from the ebuild in /cuntoo/portage, having no other ebuild repositories in system, and no barfs from emerge.
02:06 trinque /cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
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02:08 trinque not only was there /etc/portage/repos.conf to define repositories, but also /usr/share/portage/config/repos.conf, and apparently creating one in /etc does not knock out the defaults in /usr
02:10 trinque rationale behind bothering with the repository system is to let the legacy gentoo ebuild repository coexist with the vtronic repository, in exactly the same way as "overlays" do now with the gentoo repo
02:12 trinque can then pluck ebuilds from their tree as needed, produce a vpatch, and include in the cuntoo repo
02:16 * trinque zaps glsa and news from metadata dir, shaves to 13M
02:21 diana_coman trinque, that sounds great!
02:22 diana_coman BingoBoingo, fans of rockchip, eh? looks good
02:28 trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qJ69u/?raw=true << current output of emerge -v @world . few things yet jacked in the portage profile, which sets/unsets things like that userland_GNU use flag.
02:28 trinque I wager this is because the item in profile that sets IUSE ought to have overridden instead of appended.
02:29 trinque diana_coman: thanks! coming along, squealing in protest though it does.
02:30 trinque but the deps are all lined up there; that's the whole system. when it rebuilds itself, done.
02:31 diana_coman last time I tried to figure out exactly what is what and where re portage I ran out of time to disentangle the mess, so I'll be very happy indeed to not have to go back to that
02:33 trinque I'll be thrilled when I watch emerge build someone's vmerge, and then remove itself as last act.
02:34 trinque but this hill will do for tonight.
02:34 * trinque to bed
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07:06 deedbot http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
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08:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850292 << because nobody fucking considered the matter before.
08:23 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 05:07 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
08:24 mircea_popescu the problem with socialists is and remains http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818526 ; they'll always find something "that doesn't exist" to dump into, and in the case of computer systems it generally is state.
08:24 a111 Logged on 2018-05-25 04:04 mircea_popescu: yes. democracy fails to account externalities as a matter of course. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783773 thread
08:26 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << heh. i bet it "works", too.
08:26 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
08:28 mircea_popescu sleep tight!
08:31 mircea_popescu diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
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08:34 diana_coman not impossible, huh
08:34 diana_coman tcp good, udp bad!!
08:34 mircea_popescu diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-111.394-111.513 << this'll have to change though, there's no way it can work out like that
08:37 diana_coman as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
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08:37 mircea_popescu anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
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08:38 diana_coman honestly it *seems* to me that's the case, yes; but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
08:38 diana_coman re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
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08:39 mircea_popescu yeah.
08:40 mircea_popescu anywya, great reads this morning! the republic prevails!
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09:08 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850315 << pretty neat diana_coman
09:08 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 11:06 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
09:09 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850323 << i have a proggy, but it dun seem like i ever published the item, so diana_coman will have to count as 1st
09:09 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 12:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
09:09 diana_coman cheers asciilifeform !
09:09 diana_coman and ... HA! why not publish!!
09:10 asciilifeform it was lame
09:10 asciilifeform ( and i didn't get a chance to finish the whole thing, was right when i picked up ffa )
09:10 diana_coman also: I'm open to any corrections to that thing there, including any slamming of the sort "this is horrible, wtf, do it THIS way!!"
09:11 asciilifeform i've a half-written 'g' (if anyone recalls what that was) , used adasockets
09:11 diana_coman not gnat.sockets?
09:11 asciilifeform err
09:11 asciilifeform gnatsockets
09:12 asciilifeform i also had a variant that used c imports
09:12 diana_coman I was just thinking I might have missed something crucial there
09:12 asciilifeform diana_coman: did you ever see the 'nqb' item asciilifeform posted in '17 ? had various imho good examples of operations on streams
09:12 diana_coman I recall a link to examples in ada; fwiw I think they are even gone from that link at least; was that "nqb"?
09:14 asciilifeform i'ma have to repost, 1s
09:14 asciilifeform oh nm, it's still alive, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497
09:14 a111 Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
09:17 diana_coman got it; will re-read (I do think I had a quick look at it at that time but it didn't stick)
09:17 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun see anything obviously ugly in your example, btw
09:18 diana_coman thanks for looking!
09:19 asciilifeform admittedly asciilifeform just woke up and only gave it 1 look thus far
09:19 asciilifeform and without tea
09:20 * diana_coman awaits for the "brb, tea"
09:22 asciilifeform https://www.adacore.com/gems/gem-140-bridging-the-endianness-gap << possibly useful item re endianism
09:25 diana_coman I've found that and gave it a first pass but I didn't quite see how to use it for my problem; it's on the list of refs at any rate, so I'll get to re-read it
09:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: currently i am lacking a bigendian iron (or a gnat for such) so never got a chance to truly and properly test endianism conversion (as for ffa, it is endian-insensitive, but this is simple where there is no networking)
09:29 diana_coman asciilifeform, aha; re-reading that thing - I guess the Scalar_Storage_Order looks promising, I'll dig a bit deeper into it
09:31 asciilifeform diana_coman: re streams, you may find the 'buf_streams' item in horse.tar.gz interesting
09:32 diana_coman will look
09:32 asciilifeform ( what it was, was simply a btc block and tx reader, i fed an entire noad's 'dumpblock' chain into it, plus a buncha randomly bitflipped mutilations, behaved correctly )
09:34 asciilifeform i then wrote the mmap thing, with aim to bake the 'reads and stores blox , then O(1) tx retrieval' demo, but never got a chance to glue the two together
09:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << subj
09:35 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
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09:35 asciilifeform this is not directly relevant to diana_coman's application tho
09:38 asciilifeform hmm, loox like i ~did~ glue'em, but the glued model definitely not ready for primetime.
09:38 * asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
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09:49 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << orig thread, re subj, for longterm ref.
09:49 a111 Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
09:49 asciilifeform ^ with entire algo.
09:55 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850300 << this is pretty neat.
09:55 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 06:06 trinque: /cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
09:57 * asciilifeform bbl,tea
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10:52 phf diana_coman: hey, the smg.comms genesis sig link is not resolving
10:52 lobbesbot phf: Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
10:56 phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848612 << was at sea, but i was also keeping up with the logs (much better in flight entertainment!), i'll take the pill, but not sure i'll have the immediate use for it beyond ogling. i'm having a hard time recreating even the max-heathen environment that will simply reproduce the google stack as is
10:56 a111 Logged on 2018-09-08 04:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
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11:36 asciilifeform phf: this was on the off chance that you had a working replacement rom image. ( if you don't yet -- thing won't do you much good atm )
11:37 asciilifeform phf: fwiw i do not yet have a working heathen toolchain ( other than what shipped on the box ) either
11:38 asciilifeform the only pc-side tool in the setup is (patched) flashrom
11:40 phf diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=smg-comms and http://btcbase.org/patches/smg_comms_genesis (i found the sig in /vpatches/)
11:40 lobbesbot phf: Sent 33 minutes ago: <lobbes_phone> next time you're in the btcbase/patches boiler room, plox to add http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/ to 'bot' section?
11:45 phf !!key lobbes
11:45 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/3320BCA7825525AD077203C331F36D29A4D93652.asc
11:49 phf lobbes: added
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11:53 asciilifeform !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
11:53 lobbesbot asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
11:57 asciilifeform phf: saw anyffing interesting on your voyage ?
11:59 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850290 << loox good, for nao
11:59 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 01:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
12:00 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850328 << it is pretty neat, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1446883
12:00 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
12:00 a111 Logged on 2016-04-06 15:49 asciilifeform: ada tasks, afaik, is the only sane implementation of parallelism where you ~never~ specify explicit thread
12:01 asciilifeform diana_coman: and incidentally ( as you prolly already discovered ) you can keep the restrictive flags, on the subset of the coad that doesn't use tasking. ( and this applies in general )
12:01 asciilifeform ditto streams
12:02 asciilifeform the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
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12:02 asciilifeform ( i had'em in the 1st drafts of ffa, then abolished , they interfere with proper compartmentalization )
12:07 asciilifeform diana_coman: incidentally, i was initially quite unsure re the wisdom of using the streams. but they are part of the standard and do appear to work as described. however for your application it isn't even clear to me that you need'em , could simply call out to unix's socket routine and get octet array of fixed length (e.g. 512byte) to work on.
12:08 asciilifeform tcp is very difficult to sanely work with without a stream abstraction, but udp -- trivial.
12:12 asciilifeform so in this model you'd have 2 routines, 1 which takes a port, listens on it, and comes back 'someday' with a 512byte buffer fulla packet and the originator ip ; and another that eats a 512byte buffer and a dest ip, and returns immediately.
12:12 asciilifeform *portnum
12:13 asciilifeform then again if you write 'own gnatsockets' you would have to do what i did for 'horsecocks' mmap system and actually handle all possible unix eggogs (granted there are not many of these for udp)
12:14 asciilifeform ( the appeal of 'own gnatsockets' is similar to that of what i did with mmap : adacore's implementation is quite obese on acct of handling winblowz and other broken os )
12:15 asciilifeform but nao that i think about it, iirc mircea_popescu maintains currently a mswin eulora client, so you might be stuck with gnat's.
12:19 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit.
12:19 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
12:21 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850327 >> they are, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L43 example
12:21 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
12:22 asciilifeform ( tho naturally you won't use ada String for arbitrary octetolade. but same principle. )
12:23 asciilifeform ( tho will add, ada Strings actually work with arbitrary garbage, given as they do not use the idiot c 'null termination' paradigm )
12:27 asciilifeform to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce'
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12:27 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 12:38 diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
12:29 asciilifeform ( afaik udp doesn't give guarantees of integrity, at least on all systems, so you're stuck with embedding checksum even if you weren't doing crypto authentications )
12:30 asciilifeform ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
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12:35 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ty
12:35 lobbesbot BingoBoingo: Sent 42 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
12:37 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It is indeed, fire at will
12:37 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo
12:41 diana_coman phf, fixed link and thank you!
12:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
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12:42 BingoBoingo tyvm
12:43 asciilifeform supposedly will arrive by end of next wk ( in practice, whoknows, iirc the last shot was 1 week of postage and 5 of orc customs )
12:43 diana_coman asciilifeform, I'm also still unsure *why* exactly would I need streams; I can see it perhaps on client side if one wants to implement streams on top of udp basically to add checks/re-send or whatever they want to do but that is no concern of the protocol itself
12:44 asciilifeform diana_coman: currently you're only stuck with streams on acct of gnatsockets peculiar design
12:44 asciilifeform sorta like the idjicy of gnat's builtin unix cmdline handling
12:44 asciilifeform it presumes that you want unbounded bags of octets
12:46 diana_coman hm, so basically there might be something to "only tcp on gnat.sockets" after all since they baked this assumption in the...implementation of gnat.sockets themselves??
12:46 diana_coman ugh
12:46 asciilifeform they baked this sad into file i/o also ( hence how it shows up in 'horsecocks' )
12:47 diana_coman supporting windows in not a requirement; whoever wants to support it is free to make their own implementation of the protocol anyways
12:47 asciilifeform but for certain things 'stream' is actually the correct abstraction (e.g. the variable-length tx in classical btc block)
12:47 asciilifeform diana_coman: then you may want to wrap unix recv() as i described ( can use my mmap example )
12:48 diana_coman I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
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12:49 asciilifeform imho there's no particular shame in wrapping an os call that doesn't have possibility of overflows
12:50 asciilifeform ( you let it emit precisely e.g. 512byte into a preallocated buffer that never moves ; the ip it came from, into a 32bit , and that's it )
12:50 asciilifeform ditto for send()
12:51 diana_coman sounds very, very appealing to be honest
12:51 * diana_coman goes to read some more
12:51 asciilifeform it's how i did the cmdline thing ( earlier linked )
12:52 asciilifeform nao, you'll prolly want to queue the incomings, but imho thats outside the scope of this thread
12:53 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: re: cutting down on stale time at customs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/S3auq/?raw=true
12:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: got it, loox same as last time.
12:54 BingoBoingo Aite
12:55 asciilifeform diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
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12:56 asciilifeform and sometimes lost entirely. but you prolly knew this.
12:59 mircea_popescu omg it's a phf!
12:59 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu
12:59 phf a standin for both pdfs and phds
13:00 mircea_popescu lol
13:00 asciilifeform and , lol, pdp, pde...
13:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850371 << mine is eumnesia!
13:05 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 13:38 asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
13:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how did erdos put it, 'first you forget to unzip after piss, then to unzip ~before~, and only ~then~ your own theorems'
13:06 asciilifeform *zip after
13:06 mircea_popescu lol
13:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
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13:09 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 16:30 asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
13:09 mircea_popescu iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
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13:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the beauty is that there's no actual need to standardize one.
13:10 mircea_popescu i suppose.
13:11 asciilifeform ( given as you never operate on anyffing that came down the wire without passing checksum )
13:20 asciilifeform and btw for so long as one either a) refrains from bytewise addressing, period or b) addresses bytes of a word via b0 := W and 0xFF, b1 := shr(W, 8) and 0xFF, b2 := shr(W, 16) and 0xFF , ... , etc -- you dun create endianism problem.
13:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_io.adb#L59 << example of endian-insensitive routine.
13:25 asciilifeform observe that 'address bytes only via word slides' worx even if you shat on one endianism and ate on other.
13:26 asciilifeform ( why? i'ma leave as exercise for reader ! )
13:33 mircea_popescu byte-only is prolly sane anyway
13:40 asciilifeform this being said, still gotta come up with bigendian box to test with at some point ( iirc trinque had one somewhere, but afaik no gnat for it yet )
13:41 * trinque has piles and piles of g4 and several g5
13:41 trinque don't have a gnat built for them yet
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14:09 phf asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
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14:09 asciilifeform phf: which gnat didja use
14:10 asciilifeform ( imho what we need is the canonical ave1 gnat, on bigendian )
14:10 phf this was pre ave1 work
14:10 asciilifeform aaa
14:11 asciilifeform but since phf has a bigendian gnat, could theoretically build ave1's
14:11 asciilifeform ( good chance to test just how portable is the latter )
14:12 asciilifeform at some point i'd like to get a bigendian box of some description into pizarro , for such work
14:12 phf theoretically, i think it was whatever gnat came with openbsd packages, since that was easiest thing to spin up on the machine in question.
14:12 asciilifeform ( if one can be found that fits 'in pocket' )
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14:38 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850474 -> indeed it was
14:38 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 18:09 phf: asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
14:40 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850448 -> yes, unreliable but that's not the concern at this level
14:40 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 16:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
14:52 diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850460 -> sounds good; glad I published this stuff now rather than later!
14:52 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
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15:22 asciilifeform wb danielpbarron
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15:41 asciilifeform diana_coman: the simplest way i thought of to finesse the reordering thing is simply to run synchronously ( i.e. at no point does sender send a new packet unless old one replied; if there's no reply, sender retries a certain # of times, and if still silence, declares the connection broken )
15:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Package is in the mail
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15:41 asciilifeform ty BingoBoingo !
15:44 asciilifeform diana_coman: if one receives an old (i.e. not currently expected ) packet ( e.g. straggler from a previous round ) it gets rejected in the same way as any other rubbish.
15:46 asciilifeform this way you also dun have to concern with 'packet congestion', a perennial plague of tcpdom
15:47 asciilifeform the only adjustable knob becomes , how long to wait for an expected reply before pronouncing the connection 'dead', and that's it
15:51 asciilifeform ( a reply here, in turn, is not the idjit tcp 'ack', but a packet containing hash(currentsecretsalt + prevpacket) + cipherola-to-current-key , i.e. can only have been generated by the box on the other end, and can only be authenticated by yours
15:51 asciilifeform )
15:53 asciilifeform ideally these will not be distinguishable by any third party from any other type of packet.
15:55 asciilifeform ( anybody lacking the secretsalt and currentkey, sees simply 512byte of rng )
16:00 asciilifeform the salt, goes in the cipherola payload, so gets switched out in erry round. ( given as you have a trng, this is not an exorbitant entropy expense )
16:00 asciilifeform anyway there is prolly >1 sane way to do this.
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17:05 diana_coman asciilifeform, it might help to read the protocol perhaps?
17:06 diana_coman at any rate, from server's point of view, it doesn't care - it will answer to legitimate messages and that is that; it's more of a client concern and up to them how they handle that i.e. indeed pretty much how long they wait/when do they consider server unreachable and what they do
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17:23 asciilifeform diana_coman: asciilifeform forgot that you already had the protocol. then you do not need any of this, indeed.
17:23 asciilifeform ( item was copied from asciilifeform's older and not specifically related notes re 'g' , wanted to put in l0gz. )
17:25 asciilifeform diana_coman: found it, http://ossasepia.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ , aite
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17:26 asciilifeform i'ma stfu at this point, as i promised to mircea_popescu not to interfere in euloric matters. will answer q strictly re gnatology, if diana_coman runs into any puzzlers.
17:31 asciilifeform salam Mocky
17:32 asciilifeform Mocky: how's your studies going ?
17:36 Mocky slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
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17:39 Mocky i already like that there's no capitalization. i need to find a native speaker
17:40 asciilifeform Mocky: very difficult ( at least i found ) to grasp the phonology without a live speaker.
17:40 BingoBoingo Mocky: What you need is a live speaker that is also interesting to the eyes
17:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu's algo, aha
17:41 BingoBoingo Also learned experience.
17:41 * asciilifeform doesn't doubt that it worx
17:41 BingoBoingo Brian in the head dun want to work to decode shit the boys say.
17:42 BingoBoingo But if the speaker's got tits, Brian in the head is willing to work a bit.
17:45 Mocky seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
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17:46 BingoBoingo Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
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17:47 asciilifeform Mocky: asciilifeform at one time worked for a d00d who spoke the palestinian dialect. he griped that on trips to e.g. riyard he was scoffed at 'like if spoke alabama english in nyc'
17:47 asciilifeform *riyadh
17:48 asciilifeform ( i suspect tho, that this kind of thing is curable with time. e.g. asciilifeform was taught brit eng, not ameri-, but i doubt that anybody can tell this today )
17:50 Mocky census data claims that the zipcode where I live has the highest concentration of arabs in the state, which if you do the math is ~700
17:51 Mocky need to make some friends in the local halal markets
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17:53 BingoBoingo You could also see if there's some camho's that want a stable appointment. iirc that's how shinohai learned spanish
17:54 Mocky i don't think what would have ever occurred to me BingoBoingo
17:55 BingoBoingo I think the dude chatted with the girl, kept appointments, and then imported her if I remember right
17:58 BingoBoingo Anyways, the camwhoring economics are described here http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/
18:04 mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vFrTE/?raw=true << oh yeah, you made horsecocks a long while ago alf
18:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850511 <<< this seems a pretty safe bet.
18:06 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 21:36 Mocky: slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
18:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850520 << yes but mis'r (egypt) is the tv arabic.
18:09 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 21:45 Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
18:09 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850521 << me chupa. chupas is 1st singular not 3rd singular. (plural would be chupan)
18:09 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 21:46 BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
18:10 mircea_popescu s/1/2/
18:10 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850526 << TURKISH BAFFS!!!1
18:10 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 21:51 Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
18:11 BingoBoingo tyvm
18:17 BingoBoingo In local news, a rare event. A heist suspect arrested! https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-detenido-por-asalto-a-remesa-en-el-banco-itau-2018914184632
18:18 deedbot http://qntra.net/2018/09/russian-lawmakers-consider-regularizing-civil-servant-duels/ << Qntra - Russian Lawmakers Consider Regularizing Civil Servant Duels
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19:44 Mocky not all that much of a hurricane here but powers been out at least 2 dozen times for about a minute each.
19:45 Mocky on the other side of town i know powers been out for hours
~ 29 minutes ~
20:14 BingoBoingo Ah, just have to worry about the local utility grunts knocking out your power now. Keep the camp stove and baked beans on standby
~ 1 hours 17 minutes ~
21:31 lobbes Mocky: yeah, I'm waiting for the power grid to start faffing about over here too. So far though, ~0 effects felt from the old 'cane
21:34 Mocky I'm working on a laptop hooked up to a 4k tv, so every time the power cycles I end up sitting listening to the neighborhood AC units powering down until my tv comes back.
21:41 danielpbarron !!rate Mocky 1 Euloran bot fixer
21:41 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jh0QQ/?raw=true
21:42 lobbes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850389 << thanks phf!
21:42 a111 Logged on 2018-09-14 15:49 phf: lobbes: added
21:44 mircea_popescu in other local lulz, costa rica's independence day celebration postponed for cause of heavy rain.
21:44 mircea_popescu apparently the heavens above don't think so very much of this miami-led cvasi-"independence" they got.
21:44 deedbot http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-part-2-cl-keccak/ << esthlos - esthlos-v Part 2: cl-keccak
21:48 mircea_popescu esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
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21:48 mircea_popescu in any case, looks like he's getting 40kb/s more or less.
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22:08 mircea_popescu irony of ironies : there exists such a place as "grand Island", nebraska.
22:23 BingoBoingo The Middle west is full of many of these
22:24 mircea_popescu gave me a chuckle.
22:27 BingoBoingo Yeah, but Middle Western naming Irony only tends to give chuckles when its a surprise
22:29 mircea_popescu hehe i see your point.
22:36 BingoBoingo If you already know its there the size of Metropilis, Illinois isn't going to pack much of a punch
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