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01:18 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780962 something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-31 ?
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01:18 a111 Logged on 2018-02-04 16:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : i just spent 10 minutes clicking like a madman through the dates of your logs of trilema-trinque trilema-mod6 etc. could it be a feature that if one month contains less than 2k lines of log then it is presented as a month by month rather than as a day by day thing ?
01:22 ben_vulpes i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now
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03:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781116 << so weird, i have no memory of this.
03:17 a111 Logged on 2018-02-04 22:36 b41e209ccc264812: the books guy is back
03:17 * mircea_popescu proceeds to reread logs
03:24 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781131 <<< but... why!
03:24 a111 Logged on 2018-02-04 22:40 b41e209ccc264812: ugly i know
03:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781117 << inasmuch as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627344 still applies, there's at the very least http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776924
03:25 a111 Logged on 2018-02-04 22:37 asciilifeform: then i regret to inform b41e209ccc264812 that there are no new b00kz
03:25 a111 Logged on 2017-03-15 13:55 b41e209ccc264812: thanks Pete. I am still doing trilema.com for now.
03:25 a111 Logged on 2018-01-26 16:23 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3178/3178-h/3178-h.htm << pretty decent yarn, mark twain's forgotten novel.
03:25 mircea_popescu and is it me or are these three point log combos becoming ever more frequent
03:31 mircea_popescu (there's of course also http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/ ; and http://trilema.com/we-shall-now-read-anathem i suppose counts as a book ? http://trilema.com/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale is perhaps making the cut also ? http://trilema.com/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu << this is a book, "strofe cu pelin de mai pentru/contra iorga neculai" fortified with newspaper mater
03:31 mircea_popescu ial. http://trilema.com/talent-triumphant-or-on-empathy << this is a rewritten book, originally "micuta/n-a dansat decit o vara". http://trilema.com/resplenduminous << idem rewritten book ; then there's the whole rothbardf series, from http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-i-natural-law-and-reason to http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe
03:31 mircea_popescu -social-philosophy ; and then there's of course the http://trilema.com/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story rewrite.
03:31 mircea_popescu we'll consider disgrace rewrite was before he declared his interest and therefore known to him ; this still leaves us EIGHT books, what do you mean "no".
03:35 mircea_popescu not to mention http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777019 actually discusses a book too! it's quite respectable, as far as books go. unlike say http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#selection-581.0-597.212 which is a very unrespectable "book". and so following!
03:35 a111 Logged on 2018-01-26 17:16 asciilifeform: ( and lol, this has gotta be the 1st time i hear mircea_popescu refer to a hardcopy of sumthing..? )
03:36 mircea_popescu btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
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03:40 mircea_popescu aaand in other tricks of the trade, http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124452 << signing in emacs buffer/publishing via w3m, it's a thing!\
03:45 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781147 << claim it the other way though ; otherwise ~anyone can make a new key and say "I'm X". Have X say you're him.
03:45 a111 Logged on 2018-02-04 22:45 b41e209ccc264812: I am the Mario guy and a kind of fan of Munguia
03:49 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load.
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03:49 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 00:08 a111: Logged on 2015-03-17 03:29 asciilifeform: ;;google cediinnoopsssttuu
03:50 mircea_popescu this sort of difference, "subtle" if you're born to do dishes, is both the bread and butter of science as well as the fundamental pillar of human language.
03:51 mircea_popescu two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction.
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04:05 mircea_popescu (the ancient "εἴτε τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς εἴτε τὰ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς" that then yielded in the orthodox rite "precum in cer asa si pe pamint" etcetera, ie a retroversion to the original egyptian mysticologies that originated the whole pile, is the box in which this sleeps.)
04:15 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi
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04:15 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 08:36 mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
04:15 a111 Logged on 2018-02-03 00:13 asciilifeform: the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http
04:15 mircea_popescu ven. for instance trilema.com/s resolves to http://trilema.com/2017/s-a-furat-mireasa/ ; whereas trilema.com/sa resolves to http://trilema.com/2010/sa-admiram-vulpoiul/
04:15 mircea_popescu and i daresay that this is very much the right thing.
04:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781173 << maybe techman isn't so interested in tech topics.
04:17 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 02:33 ben_vulpes: you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not?
04:19 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781185 << lmao. the peacock being one of the dumbest birds, i can see why the woman bonded to it.
04:19 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 04:31 hanbot: and on other people's planes, emotional support peacocks are a thing up there now?! http://archive.is/azMke
04:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781194 << how the fuck would he know. o, wait... nc, i forgot.
04:20 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 04:57 trinque: "you look just like your mother did at your age!"
04:20 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781195 << that seems still daily ?
04:20 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 06:18 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780962 something like http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-31 ?
04:22 mircea_popescu basically i'm looking to better guarantees that my clicking has an effect. "it will give you previous day" is a great thing on #trilema, where you fucking know a day is going to take like... a day to go through, especially if you check references / think about what's said etc. but if the channel is lower volume, it may well be meaningless, "thank you for your click, here's a WHOLE NEW empty field to replace your previous empt
04:22 mircea_popescu y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead".
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04:23 mircea_popescu trying http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2017-11 500's the server.
04:25 mircea_popescu aaand, after having dumped 42 lines of talking to himself, mircea_popescu shall now retire, but not before wishing everyone a very good morning!
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09:32 asciilifeform in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-19231
09:32 asciilifeform ^ >> http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-and-pragma-inline_always-a-report
09:33 asciilifeform hey trinque can you add his www to the rss roll ?
09:33 asciilifeform imho it belongs there
09:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not )
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09:34 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 08:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load.
09:34 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781221 << noshit
09:34 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 08:51 mircea_popescu: two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction.
09:35 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781223 << good example.
09:35 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 09:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi
09:36 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing.
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09:36 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 09:22 mircea_popescu: y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead".
09:36 asciilifeform who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties.
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09:53 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
09:53 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7349.98, vol: 31217.06344008 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7375.1, vol: 98135.22815263 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7329.9, vol: 12949.6946102 | Volume-weighted last average: 7365.47610882
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10:11 phf that's accidentally btcbase behavior, next and previous buttons figure out next date by looking at next message's in sequence timestamp
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10:15 asciilifeform phf: i recall this; it is The Right Thing
10:16 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: when canhaz the godly 700 again!111
10:18 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Durante los temors, cuando el ano de Buterin està momentos antes de la penetracìon del fin.
10:20 phf asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway.
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10:21 asciilifeform phf: i have a gtk2-only ff on the gentoo-x60; but iirc it is an old ver
10:21 phf ah that would make sense
10:21 asciilifeform still something that imho a respectable ports collection oughta be able to auto-disgorge, e.g. 'give me last ff that didn't demand gtk3'
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10:22 phf tell me again how you don't want a sat solver in your build system
10:22 asciilifeform for all the rot of gentoo, i was nevertheless able to get this result, after using the recipe i posted 2y ago
10:22 asciilifeform phf: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760887
10:22 a111 Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 asciilifeform: lol in this sense an adder is 'specialcase of satsolver'
10:24 asciilifeform really i oughta expand on this :
10:26 asciilifeform a dependency graph that came from buncha jwz types shitting where they stand, without any concept of hygiene ( esp. ~political~ hygiene, where infections of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 are immediately spotted and flamethrowered where they stand until not even dust remains) -- will yes, appear to demand solution to multiple np-hard problems every time you want to do the simplest things.
10:26 a111 Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
10:27 phf vereshyagin, uhodi s barkasa
10:27 asciilifeform lol
10:30 BingoBoingo Do you know what is a really hard word to spell en Ingles para mi hoy? Bicycle
10:31 asciilifeform waiwat
10:32 mircea_popescu lol 7365 ?
10:32 mircea_popescu check that out, bbpisp realised like 40 bitcent financial gains on the latest round of financing
10:32 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everyone here talks about their bici's which few people actually ride. Thusly there's a cognitive bump in my head as I compose a piece on the latest pantsuit premonition.
10:32 BingoBoingo lol
10:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: is it pronounced 'bitchy' ?
10:33 asciilifeform or soft, moar like 'vichy'
10:33 mircea_popescu the republic prevails!
10:33 BingoBoingo Pronounced BeeSea
10:33 asciilifeform lol!
10:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform like bessy but with an i. bissy.
10:33 asciilifeform ah hm that'd makesense.
10:38 BingoBoingo Eh, there isn't enought to qntra outta the headline I wanted. Apparently the pantsuits are pushing bici to vehicle transponders as a way of ensuring bicicletist safety in a self driving car world. What isn't stated by the pantsuits is a lol, but not enough of one.
10:39 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo same exact idiocy as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778771 : "better server a turd to everyone than machinegun the poor so actual people can have the actual things god intended".
10:39 a111 Logged on 2018-01-31 14:25 a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 13:06 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
10:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol! how's that meant to work , on hearing the magic signal, autos errywhere grind to a halt ?
10:39 mircea_popescu fuck them and their stupid bicis.
10:39 mircea_popescu it is both obscene and a sign of complete abandonment of one's humanity to permit his harem slaves to go about with dirty hair, or on "bici"s.
10:39 mircea_popescu let the poor women die painfully in abject poverty for the glorification of the select few.
10:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am assuming the bicicletists are allowed to terrorize self driving cars with impunity.
10:40 asciilifeform wtflol, wat exactly 'self-driving car' in orcistan ?
10:40 mircea_popescu heh.
10:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: These pieces are from pantsuit outlets in old country
10:43 asciilifeform if so, it'd make moarsense -- in gringostan, biciclism is not so much a vice of the poor and autoless, but of moneyed hipster types ( they shell out, e.g., 10k/mo for a 200m^2 flat 'near' googleplex, and biciclate to/from it while pompously bragging about 'ecologically clean' etc 0
10:43 asciilifeform )
10:44 asciilifeform you oughta see some of these bicycles, mircea_popescu , sometimes they cost moar than your classic bmw
10:44 asciilifeform often made of, what, shitanium, unobtainium fibers.
10:45 asciilifeform ( 'fiber' is a hilarious material, in that it is unrepairable if it so happens to crack )
10:45 mircea_popescu yaya.
10:45 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << perhaps the 'prev' link showing 2017-12-31 is too subtle
10:45 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 09:22 mircea_popescu: y field". so logically, "how about i can scroll a month at a time instead".
10:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes OOOO! nao i get it
10:46 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781250 << would be a shame to waste a whole page on 2 lines, as happens from time to time, but i can see the argument, esp in re how the monthcollapse hides dates
10:46 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing.
10:46 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but... i find it suspicious the dates for all lines are from the last day of the month ?
10:47 ben_vulpes yeah, artifact of the link being to .#<anchor>
10:47 mircea_popescu hm
10:47 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781197
10:47 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 06:22 ben_vulpes: i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now
10:48 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781252 << this is precisely what i fixed, didja look at how it works now before bitching?
10:48 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties.
10:48 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: um
10:49 asciilifeform http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-trinque << try
10:49 asciilifeform i get empty after empty after empty
10:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not sure what you're arguing here. of course orc "chiefs" as promoted by usg tards (ie, exactly http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ )exist entirely and for no other reason than to promote the usg tard's worldview ? yul brenner's role in the usg tard wankfic of "anna and the king" is all about how the KING of orcistan knows no greater glory than to
10:49 mircea_popescu empower the alt-reality fictions of worthless "precious" cuntlet, so devoid of any value or impoirtance she couldn't even fdind clerical employment in her home country.
10:49 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: good point
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun have an argument, strictly an observation
10:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i.e. ameritard biciclism is diff disease than orcistani.
10:50 mircea_popescu so yes, wanna-be "hipsters" from south america (pro tip : you CAN NOT be a hipster there, fakers!) are, irrespective of their hallucinated "wealth", pushing the usg official catechism-for-the-poor. what of it.
10:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor.
10:50 mircea_popescu not differtent disease at all. it's just that in libertard worldview, king of myanmar is a step down for widow of indistinct army colonel.
10:51 mircea_popescu and the axe handles in orcistan tend to [be selected by their] promote the idiocy.
10:51 mircea_popescu in fact, the difference between "functioning democracy" and "evil authoritarian regime" in the cia fictionbook is whether the local elite takes the above view or the mp view of "everything you do here, you pay, and you pay to find out how much to pay, and pray it doesn't change further".
10:51 mircea_popescu ie, usg's ro airstrip etc.
10:52 mircea_popescu then they gotta "fight corruption" in the sense of, get the local elite replaced with more malleable turds.
10:52 asciilifeform what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed
10:52 mircea_popescu yes but this model has nothing to do with reality.
10:53 mircea_popescu elisa estevez is the direction to understand this, the "magical orc touched by the vorlons".
10:53 asciilifeform so mircea_popescu's picture is, orc bicyclist is imitating ameritards -- and not vice-versa /
10:53 asciilifeform ?
10:54 mircea_popescu in my view, orc biciclist is virtue-signalling, exactly like entirely worthless zek that goes about yakking "civil rights" as if the clitler version of this were a thing.
10:54 mircea_popescu and what he's virtue signalling is one of two things : either "i am ready to be elevated into a criminology beca at spaceship" or else "i am ready to be given a precious cuntlet you no longer need to rule all things around me".
10:54 mircea_popescu ie, mostly female, also some male.
10:56 asciilifeform south amer orcs indeed seem to go about signalling for imagined gringosaheeb to uplift'em to mothership. how about in mircea_popescu's egypt tho ? same kind of bicyclism ?
10:57 mircea_popescu no. there was about as much biciclism there as in colombia/uruguay/whatever, but these looked like mobility solutions rather than "hope in a better future".
10:58 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor. << There is another contingent that believes, or says they believe motocicletas are UNSAFE!!!
10:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how would you account for the diff ? (i.e. egyptian orc has his 'jam tomorrow' receptors safely plugged by koran ? or how. why not as susceptible to 'betterfutureism'..? )
10:59 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed << Nah, they do not ride zundapps. They ride a lot of Yumbos and other chinese imports.
10:59 mircea_popescu they are at that. you should see the retards here. 0 lights, on highway. weaving in like nobody's business. so what if it's night, you should be able to sense their presence.
11:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no monroe doctrine for egypt. no ubiquitous "smart"phone to carry the message of the imams of the cult of the dead clitler.
11:00 mircea_popescu that sorta thing.
11:00 BingoBoingo Here most of the motocicletists seem to be delivery folk. Behave like scared rabbits. Do shit like coast with motor off downhill on sidewalks.
11:00 asciilifeform oh hah i'd expect they have pnojes by nao
11:00 mircea_popescu but otherwise yes, your intuition is fundamentally correct, the scum is universally responsive, they could produce however millions of "human rights" and "democracy" and the rest of the fake bullshit if anyone gave them the time of day.
11:01 BingoBoingo They do have pnojes! To order deliveries made en motocicleta
11:01 mircea_popescu logically, if you don't step on their face, they're going to go about "having ideas" and "making choices" and so on.
11:01 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: was speaking of egyptians
11:01 BingoBoingo ah
11:02 asciilifeform oh hey mircea_popescu -- did ro have a renaissance in voodoo claptrap crapolade in 1990s like old su did ?
11:02 mircea_popescu oya. still ongoing.
11:02 asciilifeform fundamentally predictable item , i suspect
11:02 * BingoBoingo awaits phf's more traveled assessment of traffic and transportation in Montevideo.
11:02 asciilifeform old cult dies, thousand fungi bloom.
11:03 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/ << very typical usg's orc programme "art & spam" item.
11:03 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
11:03 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2009/a-trai-ecologic/#selection-25.0-25.488 << ecologist faggots
11:04 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2010/sunteti-besini/ << "entrepreneurialism" voodoo (more of those, iirc one even recently linked ; plus a buncha girlies "PR" and "magazines" and whatnot nonsense)
11:05 asciilifeform export-models of same fungi as ate the ustards themselves, neh
11:09 mircea_popescu sure. tons of various kinds, i spent years pissing on them in ro while they were "upset" and "trilema doesn't exist because it pisses on us from the balcony".
11:09 mircea_popescu rather like today's usgistani reaction, at that. great times.
11:10 asciilifeform 'nobody's pissing, rain is just yellow around these parts'
11:10 mircea_popescu hanbot hey, remember when trilema was declared "illegal" because i had an ocean of stickers put up in the vein of http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ and they a) had never thought of it and b) couldn't afford the coupla benjies even if they had thought of it, so massive butthurt ensued ?
11:10 mircea_popescu what was it, 2010 maybe.
11:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: which they
11:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform at any rate, i'd say about 1/3 of pre-2012 trilema consists pretty much of this, "corner ro toporisk, erape them, publish the results".
11:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the hipster bunch.\
11:11 asciilifeform aa
11:12 * asciilifeform was rereading one just the other day, the one with the flowery dress
11:12 asciilifeform 'nesuferita' or what was it
11:12 mircea_popescu "they" in the sense that there was some evident central structure, prolly driven by us embassy on a tight budget, and there was a lot of faking audience numbers and so on.
11:12 mircea_popescu femeia nesuferita, "the insufferable woman".
11:12 asciilifeform aha
11:12 mircea_popescu chick's name was... hm.
11:13 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/ << jeanne chiriac. she was utterly bankrupt a few years later, but never penned the proper http://trilema.com/2010/bani-pentru-piariste/ self-humiliation piece.
11:13 mircea_popescu somehow even if given the chance, usg-influence agent orc will NOT cut the usg idiocy out with hot shears.
11:13 mircea_popescu would rather keep paying the personal cost of the lie than admit to it being dumb.
11:14 asciilifeform this part i always found puzzling. why not take the chance for revenge
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11:14 mircea_popescu so you know, to alf's absolute standard, "she never suffered the consequences", i guess.
11:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because the poor have no souls.
11:15 asciilifeform i suppose this is not so diff from the folx who kept shilling for e.g. pirate ~after~ the magic day
11:15 mircea_popescu they're just items. can you imagine a chair taking revenge ?
11:15 mircea_popescu quite.
11:16 asciilifeform dunno that 'chair' is the right model. they have at least the elementary behaviours of e.g. fruit flies.
11:16 mircea_popescu this is like saying "chair knows enough to roll down a grade". mmkay ?
11:16 hanbot mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol
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11:18 mircea_popescu "check me out, master of the chairs, i roll them down inclines!!!" ie http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.743-49.975
11:19 mircea_popescu if you're willing to say the "pay me what i say for me to do what i think i should do" class is more like gnats than chairs, in the end it makes no difference, mechanisms are still not people.
11:19 hanbot to its credit, chair never threw itself into my wine, to have to be fished out.
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11:20 mircea_popescu btw, speaking of the pizdi thing : can you even for a second believe thant 100% (that is, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) of respondents were MALE, penning items in the vein of "well... maybe you need help fucking the herd you already got ? you never know ? hm ?"
11:23 asciilifeform how come nobody writes in, in response to mircea_popescu's food articles, offering to 'help' to eat the mega-caeks ? ( or... do they )
11:24 asciilifeform or is it clear even to maggot that if mircea_popescu wanted to feed a cake to maggots, he can get them right outside of his window, and doesn't need to import from overseas ? but for this other item somehow not clear
11:24 mircea_popescu local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good.
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11:25 mircea_popescu the thing with food is that if you're used to crap, good food tastes dubious at best to you.
11:25 asciilifeform hey i'm sure the rats in the dumpster also would think it is nogood
11:25 asciilifeform rats drink only finest pisswater
11:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've met a number of amerivictims who can't abide actual cheese, for stated reason.
11:28 mircea_popescu so virgin bois destined to a life of online cuckolding (speaking of which -- seriously now, stop fighting it, look how pretty it is : http://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/12067714 ) can sorta imagine themselves fucking my holes ; but on the other hand http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/#selection-71.0-73.47
11:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i've met a bunch of "vegetarian" gals that are no longer ; much like i actually fuck about half-lesbians by headcount these days. if you don't know how $item is, easy enough to "give it up"
11:30 mircea_popescu in retrospect, that 50% may be severely understated -- i can't think of a girl that actually likes boys. even if not gay, the selection on tap is such that... well...
11:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781244 << believe. https://archive.is/dOSIl#selection-95.166-95.203
11:44 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 14:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not )
11:44 asciilifeform holyfuq yes
11:44 asciilifeform apparently not just pediwiki-proper
11:44 mircea_popescu no, some domain squatter.
11:44 asciilifeform did these folx ever... see?! a spring
11:45 asciilifeform ( not even speaking of latinism; but the subj itself )
11:45 * mircea_popescu has this sad, and ever saddening, tendency to check "references as available to young lass" whenever item of young lass interest pops in.
11:45 mircea_popescu unyieldingly disappointed in this manner.
11:46 asciilifeform sorta why there's no escape around '1st, learn a human language' item
11:46 mircea_popescu anyway, quoted object is first result on a search, at least on the network i looked at.
11:46 asciilifeform pretty sad.
11:47 mircea_popescu anywa. as to how it is possible... equality, alf. they stuff it in everywhere.
11:47 asciilifeform riight, but this is a... spring. not a synchrophasotron, no.
11:48 mircea_popescu like an alcoholic going about replacing words so room reads rum and vine reads wine, so a libertard, "equality" this and "democracy" that.
11:48 mircea_popescu and if that theory dun satisfy you, i have no better one.
11:48 asciilifeform dunno, i think mircea_popescu's 1st picture, of the elementary 'my language lost the human parts' is spot on
11:49 asciilifeform removal of essential parts, yields nonsense
11:49 asciilifeform ( just what type of nonsense in particular case -- is ~randomola )
11:50 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2017-statement-2/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2017 Statement
11:50 mircea_popescu one harem amusement is, girls propose batshit insane anti-engineering devices. such as, for example, a car made out of poured concrete. then they proceed to defend it as best they can.
11:50 mircea_popescu i think it's quite the educational maneuver.
11:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ check it btw.
11:51 * mircea_popescu will now fix the title.
11:51 asciilifeform checks out, lol
11:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do they know about edison's concrete sofa?
11:51 mircea_popescu nope.
11:51 asciilifeform or for that matter the lulzboat
11:51 asciilifeform what was it
11:51 asciilifeform !#s habbakuk
11:51 a111 0 results for "habbakuk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=habbakuk
11:51 asciilifeform hm.
11:51 asciilifeform !#s habakkuk
11:51 a111 1 result for "habakkuk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=habakkuk
11:52 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-january-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January 2018 Statement
11:52 mircea_popescu well, they soon will, of course. but i hadn't mentioned either.
11:52 mircea_popescu (note, btw, the old link still resolves. and will, till the end of time. at no cost to me.)
11:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: oh hah i assumed it was continuation, for some technical reason, of december -- 'december-2'
11:53 asciilifeform didn't even think to eggog
11:53 mircea_popescu nah.
11:56 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781255 << also acceptabru solution, i guess, yeah.
11:56 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 15:11 phf: that's accidentally btcbase behavior, next and previous buttons figure out next date by looking at next message's in sequence timestamp
11:57 mircea_popescu massively easy to implement than build a whole day/month state machine.
11:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781259 << i think the pill for this sort of nonsense is to nuke the dependency graph altogether, bitch may depend on what you tell it to depend on and naught else.
11:58 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 15:20 phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway.
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pkgsrc/portage/etc concern extant heathenware, strictly.
11:59 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781262 << why not simply "do not permit package to demand, merely suggest priors".
11:59 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 15:21 asciilifeform: still something that imho a respectable ports collection oughta be able to auto-disgorge, e.g. 'give me last ff that didn't demand gtk3'
11:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ...cuz heathens write against specific ver of $lib, naturally
11:59 mircea_popescu yes but build should not die simply because of nominal concerns, "imperial-catamite put $x in list of requirements".
11:59 asciilifeform why else.
11:59 mircea_popescu psh.
11:59 mircea_popescu they don't. they just put the right words in the makefile.
12:00 asciilifeform the build barfs, on account of 'we #include <liquishit21.h> and but you only have liquishit19.h and it takes 3 void * args in fucksheep() but our, Improved!1, takes 5 '
12:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sometimes one, sometimes the other. sadly.
12:01 mircea_popescu even though this is true, still no reason to permit them to name things.
12:01 mircea_popescu first let the build fail, then look at whether yo ucan be arsed to fix, then call it dead.
12:01 asciilifeform sometimes, trivial fix. ( koch's gpg had at least 1 case, iirc ) but doesn't generalize to a mechanical fixer.
12:01 mircea_popescu you'd be surprised how often the "requirements" can simply be trampled with nary a shit given as to whose hopes and aspirations this rapes and how badly.
12:02 asciilifeform well yes, recall where i bulldozered out the autoconfism in mpi
12:02 mircea_popescu not mechanical, no. just the principle of the thing -- jwz's indications of "required" are worth exactly as much as jwz itself.
12:02 mircea_popescu right.
12:03 asciilifeform so no, not surprised. but said removals require good bit of actual work with hands; i have very rarely found that it was possible to do it 'with 3 lines of sed'
12:04 mircea_popescu then again you don't so much like sed.
12:04 mircea_popescu (the true problem is that you end up with approximable programs, that do who knows what ; so not fit for running en serio)
12:04 asciilifeform fwiw there are a number of proggies i was not able to build on that x60 , under my gentoo banflag-list . e.g. 'chromium', number of others.
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12:04 asciilifeform dedicated entomologist could prolly clean out the dbusism from'em. but i did not want to waste whole month.
12:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, as naggum described in re perlism
12:05 asciilifeform they compose 'except when they don't', as in the various vdiff inbandism headaches
12:05 asciilifeform !#s naggum false positives
12:05 a111 1 result for "naggum false positives", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=naggum%20false%20positives
12:19 mircea_popescu to give comprehension a chance : the joke in http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/#selection-99.54-99.175 is not really comprehensible without the visual aid found in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJCwxCLklg about 1 minute in.
12:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781391 << the difference is technical, chair "threw itself" into toe, stubbing it.
12:33 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 16:19 hanbot: to its credit, chair never threw itself into my wine, to have to be fished out.
12:35 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781395 << ancient in this vein, http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/#selection-21.0-29.341
12:35 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 16:24 mircea_popescu: local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good.
12:37 asciilifeform wat's a implant de cotor ?
12:37 mircea_popescu cotor => book spine, the tough part of cabbage, more generally a hard core of things
12:38 asciilifeform lol kernel
12:38 mircea_popescu the core of an apple, on it goes.
12:38 mircea_popescu kernel is more like nibblet neh ?
12:38 asciilifeform iirc it is a 'kernel', in a cabbage, in eng, neh
12:38 mircea_popescu https://dexonline.ro/definitie/cotor << consider, it's a page!
12:39 mircea_popescu anyway, the metonimy there suggests "to harden them up chemically", ie implant (like silicone implants) but of hardness not of bigness.
12:39 asciilifeform aa
12:45 asciilifeform interesting 2011 piece btw
12:46 asciilifeform in american 'high end' shops there is, incidentally, product claiming to be 'Ersteklasse', but (largely from asciilifeform's childhood memory) i would say that it is a lie, is actually 'Zweite Klasse' per mircea_popescu's table.
12:55 mircea_popescu im not aware anyone actually exports beluga to the us
12:55 asciilifeform bolgaria?
12:55 mircea_popescu (this -- much more common problem for usgistan than ever admitted, or even realised. most ro good wines are not exported ; similarly not french, nor etcetera.)
12:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc the russkis produced most of it.
12:55 asciilifeform #1, followed iirc by iran
12:56 mircea_popescu well, caspian peoples. yeah.
12:56 asciilifeform recall incidentally that the orig 'spreading worx!11' lulgem concerned synth-caviar.
12:57 asciilifeform which, sadly enuff, actually 'exists'.
12:57 mircea_popescu another example of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731593 problem
12:57 a111 Logged on 2017-10-31 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731544 << everyone is, as a result of usg militant tardation. i can just drive into brazil. you -- can not. they "banned" turkish visitors, as if anyone from turkey could be arsed to go to the us ; turkey reciprocated, meaning about 70% of classical antiquity is now off limits to what in english passes for "the civilised world".
12:57 asciilifeform (spreading -- i will attest -- indeed works...)
12:57 mircea_popescu for a country that produces nothing and has nothing, the us manages to isolate itself from all markets worth the mention with admirable abandon.
13:06 trinque "Oh yeah? We still produce RST packets!" said the agent, before losing his gaze in a cup of Folgers.
13:09 asciilifeform trinque: oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260921
13:09 a111 Logged on 2015-09-03 03:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches.
13:10 * trinque believes
13:13 asciilifeform https://youtu.be/1Ol2WJIoE0A?t=1m8s << oblig tru-to-laef hollywoodism
13:14 mircea_popescu meanwhile in great trilemas i should probably translate, http://trilema.com/2011/exercitiu-practic-de-dileme-morale/
13:14 mircea_popescu great comments, too.
13:15 asciilifeform nao that i think of it, that whole (otherwise almost intolerably ameritardian) film was really about amerifood
13:15 mircea_popescu trinque word lol.
13:15 asciilifeform strong leitmotif throughout
13:15 asciilifeform 'omfg they still have Real Eggs!111' etc
13:16 mircea_popescu is this some soylent green takeoff ?
13:16 asciilifeform this is the one where errybody is somehow inside a train
13:17 mircea_popescu ah, speaking of trains, here's a story i wanted to tell!
13:17 mircea_popescu so, the ~reason~ north america ended up speaking english is two fold, and has nothing to do with anglotards.
13:17 asciilifeform ( entomologists who enjoyed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769612 etc , will like this one )
13:17 a111 Logged on 2018-01-12 02:13 asciilifeform: the one with 'rich folx live in space station nao'
13:18 mircea_popescu 1. when presented the steam engine, napoleon failed to see what's so great about it, resulting in no french steamboats. 2. once the english started using the steam engine in land mobility applications, the french incredibly idiotically made their railroads state property, thus ensuring they had no technology and no experts on hand.
13:20 mircea_popescu because the english had the railroad private, by the time they were ~done with it and the us was starting, they exported (unintentionally) a lot of the "mature" technology across the ocean. the united states was built atop the railroad, and consequently imported english like it imported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723584
13:20 a111 Logged on 2017-10-10 01:45 mircea_popescu: used anything there was a significant chance to break a wheel in the road, as all the trails were built by 1435 mm wheels. but why were they ? because when the romans originally landed, they used 1435 mm wide wheelbases, which they had originally specified because it is what two average horses asses cover.
13:20 mircea_popescu had the french had the sense to ironclad in 1799 and to private railroad in 1820, likely us rail system would have started from st louis and new orleans rather than new york and philadelphia, and as a result the 1860 dispute would have been a case of "tiny english east being shaken off humongous french colonial empire".
13:21 mircea_popescu ie, english would have been spoken in america the way french is spoken in canada.
13:21 asciilifeform the french had fucked their goat long before this checkmate tho
13:21 asciilifeform ( to be fair mircea_popescu discussed this at length in old articles )
13:21 mircea_popescu it's a fabulous case to illustrate what a) personal failure in divine leader coupled with b) state always ruins all opportunities can produce in a short century.
13:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's my considered oppinion that had napoleon switched the fleet to ironclads and had the french state not been permitted to operate any railroads, they'd have rebounded.
13:22 mircea_popescu of course, not in any meaningful sense -- england itself is still a shithole today, with that as it'd have been without that (holland, or portugal work as baseline)
13:23 asciilifeform sitting on an island suxx, noose-at-11
13:23 mircea_popescu but anyway, spencer correctly points out the state-run french railways were a joke mid 1800s.
13:23 mircea_popescu they were.
13:24 mircea_popescu the importance of this, however, afaik went unnoticed. it makes a fucking difference to not have sluts ready to go on an adventure.
13:24 mircea_popescu and no state ever produces much in the way of sluts.
13:26 mircea_popescu aaahahahaha! in other wins... fetlife now has an announcement, "unfortunately, creating new messages is currently broken". very much http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ continuation lmao
13:26 asciilifeform lol!
13:26 asciilifeform ain't that the central knob ? what does this leave ?
13:26 mircea_popescu <div class="notice_bar"><div class="ac">Unfortunately, creating new messages is currently broken. We are looking into it. Sorry. :(</div><a href="#" class="xxs un tdn i hide_notice" style="position: absolute; top: 10px; right: 10px">close</a></div> << the added element.
13:26 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nfi!
13:27 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: broke the messages table!
13:27 mircea_popescu nah, i expect http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779731 bothered them.
13:27 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 19:56 mircea_popescu: it's deeply retarded, because it's algorithmic. sleep $[ ( $RANDOM % x ) + y evidently kills it.
13:27 asciilifeform upstack re the rails, a bit moarcomplicated, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669896
13:27 a111 Logged on 2017-06-14 03:16 asciilifeform: tell the folx expropriated by usg-cum-'private'railroads ( live <10mile of new tracks ? lose land ) about 'property right' , etc
13:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no 1800s rail development involved expropriation.
13:28 mircea_popescu very capitalist country, land was always bought.
13:28 mircea_popescu (for the curious : 40k/track mile was a generous-ishj appropriation for rail back then)
13:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it wasn't technically expropriation -- iirc it was 1st given away to 'homesteaders' and then 'ungiven' when track was built
13:29 mircea_popescu it's about 100mn currently, which implies a 2500x devaluation in the interval.
13:29 mircea_popescu !~calc 2500 ^ (1/150)
13:29 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 2500 ^ (1/150) = 1.0535446192793132
13:29 mircea_popescu 5% per annum.
13:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, was always bought.
13:31 asciilifeform !~google pacific railroad act
13:31 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Pacific Railroad Acts - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Railroad_Acts>; Our Documents - Pacific Railway Act (1862): <https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php%3Fdoc%3D32>; Pacific Railway Act : Primary Documents of American History (Virtual ...: <http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/PacificRail.html>
13:31 mircea_popescu yes ? the above "40k/track mile" is congress appropriations also.
13:31 mircea_popescu who else was going to supply money.
13:33 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781388 << looks like im about to be illegal yet again!!!1
13:33 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 16:16 hanbot: mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol
13:33 mircea_popescu mp, teh illegal alien [being of puree nergy]
13:33 asciilifeform lol,there was a pause, was there a mp legalization act passed by parliament, then rescinded!?!11
13:34 mircea_popescu i dunno.
13:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re the rails, i still don't wholly grasp whether the railroad co's in 19th c usa actually robbed anybody, or whether (as seems moar plausible) the whole thing was an early sneak preview of early-bitcoinism
13:34 mircea_popescu i think the way the socialist empires work, everything they do decays over time.
13:35 asciilifeform i.e. suddenly 'near the rails' became 'the place to be', and all the land was already owned by the grantees
13:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i much believe the former.
13:35 asciilifeform so -- robbed?
13:35 mircea_popescu you gotta understand what "capitalism" meant. you could, and often people DID, walk on premises of say farm, make cash offer to owner, and he'd be out in a week.
13:35 mircea_popescu try this in "civilised" europe, people hurr durr about "their ancestors" wtf batshit nonsense.
13:35 mircea_popescu america was great specifically because it didn't have that kind of people.
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13:36 mircea_popescu "say one dollar more over its fair value and it's yours. the woman will get used to it."
13:36 asciilifeform well yes, they stripped away the feudal scaffolding. naturally what's left, is this
13:37 asciilifeform but where's the robbery
13:37 mircea_popescu so i have little trouble believing, as clemens describes, "mark spot for depoit, buy the land from farmer, sell later at profit"
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform what robbery ?
13:37 asciilifeform well you did say 'the former'
13:37 asciilifeform so i parsed.
13:37 mircea_popescu just because michael moore of 1800s ranted about "robber barons" don't mean jack.
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a no meant latter.
13:37 asciilifeform ahahahah lolk
13:38 asciilifeform ( hey, asciilifeform had at least 1 thread where 'and by + i meant - !' so.)
13:38 mircea_popescu happens!
13:39 mircea_popescu back to teh fetlife lulz : the amusing part, at least toi me, is that friend-adding still works! i'm the happy owner of an account with 7890 of them. which i expect is the site record.
13:39 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-06#1010627 << lesser-known but imho also interesting example from 20th c americas
13:39 a111 Logged on 2015-02-06 19:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!'
13:43 asciilifeform the interesting and very btc-like aspect of the rr landgrants was that they were initially seen as ~totally worthless
13:43 mircea_popescu quite.
13:43 asciilifeform ( 'indians will prevent any construction' , etc )
13:44 mircea_popescu much like landgrants in the new world were generally seen, for a long time.
13:44 asciilifeform and if there had been a property tax in those days -- prolly would've been 0 takers
13:44 mircea_popescu sure. cash starved.
13:44 mircea_popescu (in fact, difference between new york and buenos aires wrt their relative impacts on countryside is probably MOSTLY explained by taxation)
13:45 asciilifeform then fastforward to the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-13#794524 maggotry, 'where's ours?!!' etc
13:45 a111 Logged on 2014-08-13 14:40 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don’t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar
13:45 mircea_popescu yup.
13:47 mircea_popescu imagine what'd have happened to a body that spent $2k to buy 200 pizza's ie 2mn bitcoin back in 2009 if he paid "tax" on his stash every year.
13:47 asciilifeform can observe however that the flip-side of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781569 medal is that europistan has actual cultures, but ameristan -- not
13:47 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 18:35 mircea_popescu: america was great specifically because it didn't have that kind of people.
13:47 mircea_popescu 2mn halved every year for a decade ain't come to much.
13:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't clear that anybody'dve bothered with bitcoinism if this scenario were possible
13:48 asciilifeform ( 'slow paypal that eats disk', it'd be )
13:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, culture is entirely the product of regular rape. if you don't bother invading the town across the hill, killing all the men and raping all the women THAT ARE EAGER FOR IT (see http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-59.17 ) and killing all the rest, there's simply no way to have a culture, no matter what.
13:49 mircea_popescu this is what culture is, the contents of the ashtray in which the above was smoked.
13:49 asciilifeform ashes are good fertilizer but not themselves plant life. witness the near east (buchara etc) that never recovered from the mongol-therapy.
13:50 asciilifeform this pov is imho rather like 'it is the garbagecollector that makes for a lispm'
13:50 asciilifeform gc -- needed. but not alone.
13:50 mircea_popescu i do not believe it is "never recovered from mongol therapy", i believe it's "And they were such retarded pantsuits, not even the mongols could help them"
13:51 mircea_popescu just because one manages to die in spite of penicillin doesn't mean antibiotics aren't the end of transmissible disease.
13:53 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/05/is-this-what-you-get-for-trying-to-help-the-less-fortunate/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Is this what you get for trying to help the less fortunate?
13:55 asciilifeform !~ticker --market all
13:56 jhvh1 asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6920.0, vol: 37210.95668405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7024.9, vol: 117719.01503665 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6899.3, vol: 16384.84235 | Volume-weighted last average: 6990.10227636
13:56 mircea_popescu o noes!
13:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform isn't it lulzy how there's EXACTLY the same "volume" going on the fiat fansites irrespective ?
13:57 asciilifeform is what i was thinkin'!
13:57 asciilifeform !#s BTCUSD vol:
13:57 a111 1065 results for "BTCUSD vol:", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=BTCUSD%20vol%3A
13:57 asciilifeform ^ handy table
13:57 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22Volume-weighted+last+average%22 << for ready lulz
13:58 mircea_popescu oh redundancy
13:58 trinque usg wants to sell me sub $1k coin, that's just fine by me. lets go
13:58 trinque bitcoin's dead everyone, nothing to see here.
13:58 asciilifeform i wouldn't complain over a rerun of the sacramental 100...
13:59 mircea_popescu last: 6920.0, vol: 37210.95668405 ; last 9962.0, vol: 43036.01398257 ; last: 13681.37, vol: 10706.72692343 ; last: 16607.0, vol: 32318.56936603 and so following.
14:00 mircea_popescu basically, usg got what, 3-5k bitcoin, which it keeps sloshing back and forth to itself on closed "exchange" tripod websites ?
14:02 asciilifeform give-or-take a coupla 0s
14:02 mircea_popescu lmao no way.
14:03 asciilifeform well they couldn't have pissed away ~all~ the stolen coin, eh
14:04 mircea_popescu o ? and why not ?
14:04 mircea_popescu who paid for, eg, the actual coins i got selling their bch thing, santa ?
14:05 mircea_popescu being the empire in this game very much has a cost, by heller und pfenning. erry day they gotta pay.
14:06 mircea_popescu and if nothing else, the abandonment of the pretense to picking winners in the space, "this is the official usg altcoin" bullshit seems to me sufficient proof they're ~out of steam.
14:07 mircea_popescu oh, where are ye bluestate.doge, mit.ethereum, orcistan.bch... it was such nice knowing ye...
~ 36 minutes ~
14:43 asciilifeform it ~is~ possible (or at least cannot, from my perch, be ruled out) that they took in moar coin from chumpers than disgorged to mircea_popescu
14:44 asciilifeform and came out +
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15:09 mircea_popescu it is also possible average crack whore has a pile of microsoft stock she's not selling.
15:11 asciilifeform relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available
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15:11 asciilifeform 'use shorter tacks, terrorist'
15:11 asciilifeform 'cork shortage'
15:11 mircea_popescu heh. this oddly reminds me of my expensive imported coasters
15:13 asciilifeform how did those go
15:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703913 & following
15:16 a111 Logged on 2017-08-28 20:39 mircea_popescu: here's the problems with "expensive, upscale" coasters : they're not a square of cut up cork, like you'd expect if they were you know, uncivilised, unglamorous, un-internet-of-things orcfare. no. they're a thin strip of cork glued to cardboard with some shiny drawings on top.
15:16 asciilifeform aa yes! exactly same substance. minus the shiny. and scaled up to cover a wall.
15:17 asciilifeform to make the thing last even a short while, the maker used very tough cardboard to replace the missing cork. but as result the tack barely want to go in at all, create the temptation to keep a hammer nearby , and provoke the question of why then bothered to buy and hang up the item to begin with, could as easily hammer into wall
15:19 asciilifeform ( the offensive scamitude is not even in the lack of cork -- to make a cheap ersatz corkboard, they could've used e.g. rubber from old tires, anything similarly 'self-healing' . but no, had to imitate the genuine article , PRETEND )
15:19 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i recently procured a sizable amount from grainger https://www.grainger.com/category/cork-sheet-stock/cork/raw-materials/ecatalog/N-c10?searchRedirect=cork
15:19 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: betcha it's recycled cork
15:19 asciilifeform crumbles.
15:19 asciilifeform it's fit for insulating studios etc , but not corkboard.
15:20 ben_vulpes may be so
15:20 asciilifeform also seems to cost ~more~ than my board
15:20 ben_vulpes there's also mcmaster carr
15:21 asciilifeform catalogue # 425V99 , a quarter of what i have, same thickness, and minus the frame -- costs 3x what i paid
15:21 asciilifeform (quarter area-wise)
15:21 ben_vulpes "also used in bulletin boards" https://www.mcmaster.com/#cork/=1bfwidd
15:22 asciilifeform i think i have the # 5664T11 .
15:22 asciilifeform ersatz.
15:22 asciilifeform betcha -- all of'em.
15:23 ben_vulpes real stuff is expensive, nyooz at ereven
15:23 asciilifeform not simply expensive. unavailable.
15:23 asciilifeform i can live with 'expensive'
15:24 asciilifeform but i have nfi where to get board of actual cork, short of going to , wherever, portugal, and buying the tree...
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15:41 mircea_popescu and in today's "engineering's not my calling" : i have some nice thick candles, which no longer burn because the thread-thin wicks they came with aren't strong enough to melt the whole thickness and as a result they get drowned in melted wax.
15:42 mircea_popescu but, think i, i've this nice cm thick natural linen rope for the girls, how about i use knife to cut new hole and replace mm wick with cm wick ?
15:42 mircea_popescu well... turns out that they burn great, in the medieval sense : they smoke now. entirely unusable in dainty 21th century "colonial style" house awash in whitewash.
15:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they dun wanna DO anything ; they just wanna LOOK A CERTAIN WAY.
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16:30 mircea_popescu !!pay diana_coman 0.81
16:30 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XdxGX/?raw=true
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16:48 deedbot http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-january-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), January 2018 Statement
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17:17 BingoBoingo !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/f6jEE/?raw=true
17:17 deedbot accepted: 1
17:17 BingoBoingo !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a9G7g/?raw=true
17:17 deedbot accepted: 1
17:19 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you managed to sell 4 out of 25 cents somehow ?
17:21 BingoBoingo So far, the other people advertising on local BTC last I checked were skittish. Will try to make some more trade dates, but the OKcupid thing pre-mike_c seemed like an easier way to meet people
17:21 mircea_popescu um.
17:22 mircea_popescu why the fuck would you sell it half price.
17:22 BingoBoingo half price?
17:23 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773454 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773295
17:23 a111 Logged on 2018-01-21 15:25 mircea_popescu: !!pay BingoBoingo 0.25
17:23 a111 Logged on 2018-01-20 15:05 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12681.11, vol: 12028.04435018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12592.0, vol: 46503.75514921 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.9, vol: 5237.5615253 | Volume-weighted last average: 12616.7664195
17:23 mircea_popescu where are you getting 12.600 now ?
17:27 BingoBoingo By the time I made the date it was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774838 The trade cost 0.04876872 in BTC and delivered 500 Dosiedoes
17:27 a111 Logged on 2018-01-23 17:19 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
17:27 BingoBoingo Right now I am waiting and still asking people if they want coffee
17:31 mircea_popescu so was this basically a case of a) you figured you'll play at teh FX speculator and it didn't work out for you or b) you misjudged http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769068 capacity of the place to such a degree, all it could actually absorb was a measly 500 ?
17:31 a111 Logged on 2018-01-11 17:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ?
17:32 BingoBoingo I misjudged the capacity that doesn't involve taking the boat to Buenos Aires.
17:34 BingoBoingo One person could summon $500 and the others on prodding would have been lucky to summon twice that in pesos.
17:34 mircea_popescu hm.
17:37 mircea_popescu aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane.
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17:38 BingoBoingo Will do
~ 29 minutes ~
18:07 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781690 << might mircea_popescu share an algo for distinguishing 'joek price' from 'sane' ? i could use one
18:07 a111 Logged on 2018-02-05 22:37 mircea_popescu: aite, well, you'll have to survive on the fiat you have, i dun see selling at these joek prices as sane.
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18:26 mircea_popescu sell as little as you need within 10% of the ath and you'll be fine.
18:27 mircea_popescu meanwhile in operation enduring lulzmine, fetlife still beastforum'd. 5 hours.
18:31 asciilifeform notbad
18:31 mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WA60T/?raw=true << nao with official words.
18:32 asciilifeform 'This morning, around 8 AM PST, our database for personal messages ran out of ids. We, the engineers, are to blame for not detecting this before it happened. :( We are very sorry for the inconvenience.' << gold
18:32 asciilifeform we-the-engineers (tm)
18:32 mircea_popescu JohnBaku: devilheart Sorry everyone for this, big booboo on our side! :-( No excuses.
18:32 asciilifeform ( does it yet merit inclusion in the glossary ? )
18:33 mircea_popescu i dunno
18:33 asciilifeform 'The alteration of the table is currently in progress. As it is a huge table, it might take some hours to finish' << gotta wonder what is 'huge' here
18:34 asciilifeform ( is it bigger than, e.g., phuctor's 8M keyz )
18:34 mircea_popescu 376092400-ish
18:34 asciilifeform of what
18:34 mircea_popescu (yes, of course trivially enumerated, doh)
18:34 asciilifeform rows ?
18:34 mircea_popescu of items. yeah.
18:34 mircea_popescu well, ids. not necessarily stored rows.
18:34 asciilifeform that's about on-par with phuctor's net ( keys, fps, moduli )
18:35 asciilifeform but somehow the latter ate maybe 30min to walk the table
18:35 mircea_popescu hey, i'm not saying they're credible, or at least competent at lying. you asked for the #.
18:35 asciilifeform right
18:40 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ?
18:42 asciilifeform btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ?
18:42 mircea_popescu he has a sort of small office.
18:42 asciilifeform aaa
18:44 * asciilifeform bashing his head against the wall , yet again, trying to make a graphical diagram.
18:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw did i miss a sunday night post of yours or what happened ?
18:46 asciilifeform ch10 is a bitch, approx same level of sweat as 1-9 combined
18:46 mircea_popescu are you going to push me into missing phf's deadline here ?
18:47 asciilifeform neh
18:47 mircea_popescu the 5th is on its way to giving way to 6th.
18:47 asciilifeform hm is it absolutely necessary to have photos ?
18:47 mircea_popescu nope. i said, proper spec.
18:48 asciilifeform aite, brb
18:49 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ?
18:50 mircea_popescu aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ?
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19:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/01/the-boingo-isp-january-2018-monthly-statement/#comment-114635 << what's that star in there ? << Note that got cut off where I mention expenses in pesos get converted to Dosiedoes for reporting purposes.
19:21 mircea_popescu ah
19:23 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in the end, did you get prices from anyone that weren't utterly ridiculous, 2x internets ? << Not for shit that isn't lowest common denominator consumer boxes. The datacenter forwarded a spreadsheet SuperMicro sent them with prices for two boxes in quantities up to 20 a piece today. Missing was any information on what the fuck the boxes were. Super Micro included model numbers that don't resolve to anything
19:23 BingoBoingo in their published catalog.
19:23 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ? << It beats the US, but the better my spanish gets the less impressed I am with the locals.
19:27 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> btw BingoBoingo , what's a 'CoWork' ? << An office arrangement where they set you up with an address suitable for local fiscal reporting. Lotta outsourced remote workers here, many of the better locals I have encountered. Place to do actual work, the hostel isn't equiped to accomodate that.
19:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i figure should prolly enact an expense account for you, looking through these ledgers. how's 20 bux a day sound ?
19:30 mircea_popescu at least gotta be able to eat.
19:31 BingoBoingo That sounds very reasonable.
19:35 mircea_popescu aite, count it for feb, that gives you like a benjie headstart.
19:35 BingoBoingo What's left of my fat is very relieved.
19:37 BingoBoingo Thank you
19:38 BingoBoingo !~later tell shinohai Got any Qntra stories baking yet?
19:38 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
19:39 asciilifeform ok mircea_popescu , ready for the list ?
19:39 mircea_popescu sure.
19:40 shinohai Soon, BingoBoingo .... I have a relapse of the flu curse wafting around here.
19:42 asciilifeform oh, here goes:
19:42 asciilifeform on hand are three machines of the base config seen in http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/1U/1022/AS-1022G-URF.cfm ;
19:42 asciilifeform (1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
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19:43 asciilifeform Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 8 x 3.5" Disks Currently : none
19:43 asciilifeform (2) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
19:43 asciilifeform Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 4 x 3.5" Disks Currently : 4 x Samsung SSD 850 PRO (net 750G)
19:43 asciilifeform (3) 1.9GHz x 24core (Opteron 6168) RAM Installed: 24G RAM Max: 256G
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19:43 asciilifeform Disk Cont.: Adaptec/LSI Disk Bays: 4 x 3.5" Disks Currently : none
19:43 asciilifeform ^ all three nao have proper (non-mobo) raid cards with lithium backup battery installed
19:43 asciilifeform #2 is Dulap-III, has FG installed
19:44 asciilifeform all 3 have hotswap disk rails; and (why, i do not know, but it's there) 'slim' dvd drive.
19:45 asciilifeform oh misprint : #1 has 2.5" bays. (this makes 0 practical diff, ssd only comes in 2.5, i installed converter rails in the 3.5 slots of the others )
19:46 asciilifeform all 3 boxes tested by asciilifeform ; and have original packaging and rails.
19:48 asciilifeform all 3 boxes purchased under s.nsa flag; #2 is provisioned with same contents as Dulap-II; the other 2 are sitting diskless and await instruction from mircea_popescu re what he'd like in'em.
19:48 asciilifeform all 3 equipped with 'registered' ECC RAM, incidentally, and bios set to 'max scrub'.
19:49 asciilifeform nao let's hear questions.
19:53 * asciilifeform wonders whether ssd is in fact small enuff to travel via fedex to BingoBoingo without undue problems
19:58 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everything that comes in Fedex/DHL seems to get inspected at customs here. Customs here seems to focus on how things enter the country. If it is fedex/dhl they figure it is prolly a local they can tax on their amazon purchase. If it is in a suitcase it is assumed to be the holy relic of a sacred tourist and thusly undisturbed.
19:59 BingoBoingo Tourist is a priviledged status here
20:02 BingoBoingo Only so much of the population is capable of working as a pinoy+, the competent authorities here are keenly aware that everything they have here is because of tourist expenditures.
20:04 BingoBoingo This country between December and March hosts more tourists than it has people living here.
20:06 BingoBoingo !!up jawbone2
20:06 deedbot jawbone2 voiced for 30 minutes.
20:06 BingoBoingo jawbone2: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
20:08 ben_vulpes hah mircea_popescu did break the messages table!
20:13 jawbone2 Howdy my dad is dead, so I suppose he does what dead people do.
20:15 BingoBoingo Bien. De donde sos?
20:16 jawbone2 I live in Florida. A sunny place for shady people
20:17 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761215 << same ?
20:17 a111 Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project
20:17 BingoBoingo Ah
20:17 jawbone2 Que hay de ti?
20:17 asciilifeform ^ am i the only one who ever bothers with the !#s from:noob
20:18 jawbone2 yes
20:20 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: really, xray every envelope looking for disks??
20:21 BingoBoingo I have not been there, but how many disks are you going to fit in an envelope before it starts looking like a package?
20:21 asciilifeform 1
20:22 asciilifeform they're what, half inch thick
20:22 asciilifeform and weigh ~50g
20:22 asciilifeform it aint as if BingoBoingo never seen ssd
20:23 BingoBoingo Like 1/4-1/3 inch thick. Have seen.
20:23 asciilifeform so then.
20:25 asciilifeform and BingoBoingo knows that ssd dun last 4evah. so there'd better be an economical way of getting'em into BingoBoingostan.
20:25 BingoBoingo !~calc 1200/100
20:25 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: 1200/100 = 12
20:27 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: get a read on how they calculate tax for items in opened envelopes yet?
20:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the messages table was asking for it.
20:29 mircea_popescu asciilifeform jesus christ dude.
20:29 asciilifeform hm?
20:29 mircea_popescu what the fuck happened to the blog post motherfucking hell
20:30 mircea_popescu you're like, untalkable to. "do you need pictures ?" "no, i said spec" "ok, ima dump it in chan" "NO I SAID DO NOT DUMP IT IN FUCKING CHAN"
20:30 mircea_popescu how exactly is this miswired mess of a nonbrain work ?
20:30 asciilifeform i can paste it in a post, if mircea_popescu really wants
20:30 asciilifeform but i can't magically turn it into moar text
20:31 asciilifeform what's there to say. i have these 3 machines.
20:31 mircea_popescu i tell you to do x, you do non-x, then whine about not being in the loop. then learn nothing from the experience, ready to do it all over again
20:31 asciilifeform ( plus buncha obsolete iron, not worth putting in crate )
20:31 mircea_popescu here, chew on this doozy : i will not use any of your shit now.
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20:31 mircea_popescu round #2 of this stupidity.
20:31 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: If the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't there at least another 50% on top of the 22% VAT. Looking at the advertisements here https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears there is a brisk business of people doing the suitcase thing.
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20:31 asciilifeform i genuinely don't grasp what is mircea_popescu's problem.
20:31 BingoBoingo How brisk is likely to be underwhelming
20:31 mircea_popescu that's fine.
20:33 asciilifeform i'ma try and make what i suspect mircea_popescu wanted. brb
20:33 mircea_popescu too late.
20:33 mircea_popescu i will literally not take any of your items now.
20:35 asciilifeform they aren't actually mine tho, they're s.nsa inventory, mircea_popescu in fact had paid for'em.
20:35 mircea_popescu you managed to get yourself locked out with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751567 and now you've managed to get yourself locked out of furnishing bbisp.
20:35 a111 Logged on 2017-12-14 18:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
20:35 mircea_popescu so, people who ~aren't~ asciilifeform : phf still needs a pile of gear for his flight ; BingoBoingo can't produce it locally. i'm looking for system suggestions.
20:36 asciilifeform so what, phf is under orders not to ship completed dulap-III ? mircea_popescu proclaims 's.nsa dun need a www' or FG storefront or wat
20:37 mircea_popescu i don't see how s.nsa will afford a server now, no.
20:37 mircea_popescu maybe at some point.
20:37 asciilifeform !~later tell phf provide quote for shipping asciilifeform's (or maybe mircea_popescu's ?) 1U box, invoice asciilifeform .
20:37 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
20:38 mircea_popescu he can't provide you a fucking quote on my airfare, what the fuck's wrong with you.
20:38 asciilifeform i'ma buy his airfare.
20:39 mircea_popescu how about you stop doing dumb shit instead of running around trying to fix the dumb shit you already did.
20:39 asciilifeform the problem is to figure out wat exactly mircea_popescu wants
20:40 asciilifeform so as not to throw fits.
20:41 mircea_popescu yes, because reading comprehension's not a forte, and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779930 never happened and so on.
20:41 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: just make that post will you!
20:42 mircea_popescu in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will.
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20:42 asciilifeform picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778264 item
20:42 a111 Logged on 2018-01-30 23:08 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease.
20:43 mircea_popescu where did taking photos come from ?
20:43 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779932 << ?
20:43 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 asciilifeform: i'ma have to uncrate and photo then, later this weekend.
20:44 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 <<< god fucking damn it.
20:44 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get".
20:44 mircea_popescu do you even read what anyone says ?
20:44 asciilifeform i also have a price table of disks, and discussion of future availability of opteron
20:44 mircea_popescu yes well. maybe some other time.
20:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'ma ask , naturally mircea_popescu dun gotta answer : how much rum today
20:50 asciilifeform i ask this because the 3 boxes were purchased in autumn, after pedantically detailed discussion with mircea_popescu (see s.nsa reports for sept, oct 2017); , and on his express approval, paid for, burn-in tested, etc.
20:50 asciilifeform and in no sense represent a failure to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781829 .
20:50 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 01:42 mircea_popescu: in order to be useful you must actually communicate. this "ima just do whatever the fuck occurs to me" dun cut it. never has, never will.
20:54 asciilifeform the 4 ssd were the 'tangibles' in dec 2017 statement.
20:55 asciilifeform if mircea_popescu for some reason of his own won't arrange the delivery of the completed box to s.bisp , asciilifeform will have to do so on his own, in furtherance of his obligations as s.nsa cto.
20:57 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
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20:57 mircea_popescu danielpbarron can you get a coupla dozen FGs shipped to phf in wash dc ? how much ?
21:03 danielpbarron !!up juhoitse
21:03 deedbot juhoitse voiced for 30 minutes.
21:03 danielpbarron !!help
21:03 deedbot http://deedbot.org/help.html
21:05 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo incidentally, this rack is 19 inch or 23 inch ?
21:05 danielpbarron mircea_popescu, yes, how much money? i don't know exactly
21:05 mircea_popescu do the maffs and let me know.
21:05 danielpbarron i can invoice afterwards, what speed shipping should i do?
21:06 mircea_popescu he leaves on 13th, so if you send them say tomorrow they can't possibly be late i dun think ?
21:06 danielpbarron also, should i unbox them to reduce the size/cost?
21:06 mircea_popescu yes.
21:06 danielpbarron alright cool
21:07 asciilifeform hey mircea_popescu , as s.nsa fuhrer, wouldja condescend to say what it is you want done with the 3u of iron you had commissioned ?
21:07 hanbot <asciilifeform> picture this, i even took the photos, and cropped, etc. and got stuck trying to satisfy mircea_popescu's earlier item << fwiw, i suspect organizational trouble rather'n deliberate anti-delivery here. i'll say: i spent years imagining i.e. deliberate, detailed scheduling, writing "bullet points" etc was for dumb people, and that naturally i didn't need it. and i got by for various definitions of gettin', but didn't wash in mp's com
21:07 hanbot pany.
21:08 danielpbarron mircea_popescu, let me know the address? i'll send them tomorrow
21:08 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nothing in particular, they can just sit and wait. you can write a letter to the shareholders explaining how you fucked up delivery if you wish.
21:08 asciilifeform ~i~ fucked delivery ?!
21:08 mircea_popescu danielpbarron aite ; phf send address plox.
21:08 hanbot anyway i humbly suggest breaking out the day by day calendar etc when met with surprises as above.
21:09 asciilifeform hanbot: i have the full stack of communiques from asciilifeform to mircea_popescu re each purchase, his responses, etc. and so does he. it dun seem to help.
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes dude. you were to produce a blog article detailing the items sunday night, you dumped random lines in log monday night isntead. this is what fucking up delivery is.
21:10 mircea_popescu at some point, maybe, if we're lucky, s.nsa will get another chance to have its iron delivered. until then, there it sits.
21:10 hanbot asciilifeform i don't doubt it, but my tidbit is solely re what i quoted from you, ie got stuck trying to satisfy earlier item, and so hadn't produced other item by deadline that prolly didn't even seem like one
21:10 asciilifeform this is what, a bbet-style acid test ? next item is that asciilifeform is expected to go into tilt ? guess wat, asciilifeform is tilt-proof.
21:11 mircea_popescu and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic.
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21:11 asciilifeform hanbot: and indeed i'm still grunting out prev item (ffa ch10 ) in conveyor.
21:11 mircea_popescu you wanna participate, you gotta participate, not fuck up people's work for them.
21:12 asciilifeform right, mircea_popescu can pour petrol , light match, and say ' asciilifeform started fire, by not posting cargo manifest in blog '
21:12 mircea_popescu yup.
21:12 asciilifeform i have nfi what to answer to this.
21:13 mircea_popescu nothing besides next fucking time do post whatever's required as required and naught else.
21:14 hanbot (calendar. srsly. it sounds stupid, i promise it's not.)
21:15 asciilifeform hanbot: the man's clearly imbibed a critical mass of high octane rum, i can only leave him to digest it .
21:18 juhoitse !! register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZ4dh/?raw=true
21:18 juhoitse !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZ4dh/?raw=true
21:18 deedbot 4A19ED232D579FF2F00153ED16DCDF81A0FE0B92 registered as juhoitse.
21:18 mircea_popescu juhoitse no space after !! there you go
21:19 danielpbarron !!pay juhoitse 0.01
21:19 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dLREc/?raw=true
21:21 hanbot asciilifeform are you basically arguing that the reaction is disproportionate?
21:21 juhoitse !!balance
21:21 deedbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bhutb/?raw=true
21:22 danielpbarron !!rate juhoitse 1 nazi pug guy fan
21:22 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AjuR2/?raw=true
21:25 asciilifeform hanbot: i have nfi what the reaction is, possibly mircea_popescu has indigestion instead of rum, or whatever. i have a total of 3 usable machines, purchased after consultation with mircea_popescu , and reimbursed by him; specs were detailed to mircea_popescu before and after purchase . 1 machine was intended for s.nsa in particular; 2 for use as mircea_popescu later sees fit. whole thing was laid out in the logs on several occasions,
21:25 asciilifeform is well-known to everybody tuned in.
21:26 mircea_popescu what's that to do with anything ?
21:27 hanbot asciilifeform so why not say "this task is stupid and unnecessary and i won't do it" instead of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1780446 ?
21:27 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 23:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma uncrate things, take pics, expect a roundup sunday night.
21:28 mircea_popescu why. because it never was "hey, re-tell me what i already know", it was "hey, try and apply your knowledge to producing a list of what we want to buy"/
21:29 asciilifeform hanbot , mircea_popescu : it ain't unnecessary, but it was stuck on the conveyor behind delayed ch10. asciilifeform (apparently mistakenly) assumed that mircea_popescu could act on the partial info. instead he 'yer an idjit, i'ma make my boxes from old shoes nao instead'
21:29 mircea_popescu so that instead of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 i could've said (YESTERDAY) "hey folks, look at alf's article, make comments"
21:29 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
21:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fucking problem is exactly the "partial info". i'd rather have none.
21:30 asciilifeform the way i parsed mircea_popescu's original work req, is that it was to be primarily a manifest of iron ready to fly in time for phf.
21:31 asciilifeform and secondarily a discussion of obtainable additionals.
21:31 mircea_popescu hey. the job is reading and understanding what's said. nobody else can, or will do it for you.
21:31 asciilifeform from mircea_popescu's 1 sentence ?!
21:32 danielpbarron trinque, what is the fee charged for deedbot withdraw? is there a way to check pre-emptively?
21:33 mircea_popescu if one sentence's insufficient however many more are available upon request. PRIOR rather than POST failure.
21:33 asciilifeform the 'here is what we have' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779933 is fulfilled by what mircea_popescu termed 'the random garbage in the log' (in fact a complete actionable description of asciilifeform's inventory.) the 'what we will EVER want to get' , and asciilifeform is multiply on record re subj, is more of exactly same , 63xx/61xx opterons , from same surplus contacts where asciilifeform previously obtained the 3.
21:33 a111 Logged on 2018-02-02 21:40 mircea_popescu: not even necessarily photo, a simple "here is what we have, COMPLETE specs ; and what we probably might want to ~EVER~ get".
21:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu naturally is free to barf and 'i'ma use old shoe instead' because 'you did not format it as i demanded!' .
21:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't be serious ? that whole thing is permanently disposed in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781804 ; it ain't gonna change, what do you imagine this is, kindergarten of free takes ?
21:35 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 mircea_popescu: here, chew on this doozy : i will not use any of your shit now.
21:35 mircea_popescu you had your take, fucked it up, maybe at some point you get more. that's it.
21:36 asciilifeform mircea_popescu sees 'fucked it up', i see alcoholic fit.
21:37 mircea_popescu tis a free republic, any can see what he sees.
21:37 asciilifeform verily.
21:38 asciilifeform at any rate, as previously described asciilifeform is tilt-proof, any time mircea_popescu feels like making sense again, is invited to resume.
21:39 mircea_popescu you realise this is the definition of tilt, yes ? "i know better than mp" etc.
21:39 asciilifeform actually i know, apparently, nuffin
21:39 asciilifeform i am utterly unable to make sense of mircea_popescu's eggog
21:41 asciilifeform hanbot's tip re calendars didn't particularly help either.
21:45 trinque danielpbarron: "reasonable based on market conditions"
21:45 trinque and nah, I'm not quoting them ahead of time
21:45 trinque because consider, I automatically quote you a fee, and then the mempool fills up. now what
21:45 danielpbarron trinque, ok so should he try to withdraw the full amount and then it'll say.. ?
21:46 asciilifeform currently i have a clogged conveyor, consisting of 'keep weekly posts, idjit' and 'manifest of now-and-future iron' , in that sequence . asciilifeform sits and continues to grind conveyor. meanwhile mircea_popescu throws fit, 'you fucked it' , etc.
21:46 trinque danielpbarron: if somebody withdraws entire balance, I subtract the tx fee from that amount.
21:47 asciilifeform oh, and not to forget , 'permanently disposed of '
21:48 danielpbarron trinque, ok thank you
21:48 trinque quite welcome
21:49 juhoitse !!withdraw 0.01 14EuLaLmKLZcSPjwekzDEYSm7HFx7dXYAV
21:49 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9sqzl/?raw=true
21:53 juhoitse !!v FA38C1D31C274146E0EC6131057E53C894CBE18F69E53CC16E6BEED121B9731C
21:58 asciilifeform incidentally, if trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited to explain to asciilifeform .
22:07 mod6 I srsly doubt anyone thinks you're an idiot. I certainly do not. Maybe just take an irc break for a few hours. Stop your converyor belt, go and write blog post about boxen; even if too late. Ask forgiveness. Who knows, maybe Mr. Popescu changes his mind. Maybe not. But eitherway, lesson learned 'eh?
22:09 asciilifeform mod6: seems like he dun want $article anymoar . will go into second fit re 'wasted time writing unwanted piece, oughta have done not-yet-cancelled items'
22:10 asciilifeform mod6: i apparently do not have a good working model of mircea_popescu .
22:11 asciilifeform if he says ' ok, moron, go fucking finish it ' i'ma scratch head and finish it ; otherwise i got 9000pounds of what to still do otherwise
22:12 asciilifeform mod6: it isn't clear what i am to apologize to mircea_popescu for : not being a telepath ? not having extra set of hands to make errything on conveyor happen at once ? what, exactly.
22:23 mod6 I'm not here to tell you what to do.
22:30 asciilifeform was curious re whether mod6 observed some detail which asciilifeform missed, is all.
22:32 mod6 I'm certain that I don't know all of what was discussed between yourself and mircea_popescu - even in this very chamber.
22:33 asciilifeform whole thing is in the logs.
22:37 asciilifeform mod6: there is not some private segment that was not shown ( aside from sept.-dec. exchanges where asciilifeform was directed to obtain $iron, reported on progress, all the way to 'dulap-III ready for installation' )
22:38 mircea_popescu trinque i suspect his whole thing was "how much under "all" must i withdraw to get it through". but in any case, how hard would it be to have a !!fee that reports "past week avg fee : x (y txn)" "past month avg fee" etc.
22:40 trinque not hard at all; I'm of course recording it all
22:40 trinque we might even get to the point where I *am* willing to quote fees ahead of time
22:47 mircea_popescu well, exposing history is prolly 90% of the job anyway. give people a feel for it.
22:47 mircea_popescu independently interesting from a statistical perspective anyway.
23:01 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme?
23:05 trinque not stating an explicit price per U is going to make the folks who aren't independently wealthy hesitant to dive in headfirst.
23:05 trinque not "here's our cost model" plus whatever margin and maybe we find there are other costs later, or something
23:05 trinque "my name is BingoBoingo and a U costs X, the end." pls&ty
23:06 * trinque is probably not the only person who is going to be aggressively buying bitcoin now that the blowoff happened.
23:06 trinque so, my finances are going to stay taught as teenaged pussy in 2018
23:09 trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 << I've been very pleased with an ASRock-based tower I built recently.
23:09 a111 Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
23:16 mircea_popescu trinque thinking about it, dozen boards, dozen cpus, two dozen hdds, ram, fgs... i doubt he can actually carry this much.
23:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ?
23:29 trinque if I'm reading this correctly, 26.8 + 5.90 funnybux / wk, which is notbad.jpg
23:30 trinque original estimate was iirc something like 270/mo
23:43 ben_vulpes where does that 5.90 come from?
23:44 trinque 22% vat
23:44 ben_vulpes ah ah
23:45 trinque ftr BingoBoingo it would've been clearer to just leave vat (and any other line items) in the calculation for U/wk
23:46 * trinque knows BingoBoingo is *not* trying to omit things, just sets off allergies I developed dealing with other folks
23:47 trinque it's a lovely thing to deal with people who will even tell you how they came to the price.
23:55 mircea_popescu trinque do you actually like weekly pricing for colocation for some reason ?
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23:56 trinque oh jesus
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23:56 trinque one sec.
23:56 mircea_popescu anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.
23:57 mircea_popescu !~calc 0.58441904 * 14915.6671703
23:57 jhvh1 mircea_popescu: 0.58441904 * 14915.6671703 = 8716.999888626242
23:57 trinque ah well, that was all of it, I guess. welcome back, qntra
23:58 mircea_popescu hm. conceivably wrong one lessee
23:58 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775877 << ya there it was.
23:58 a111 Logged on 2018-01-25 00:35 mircea_popescu: !~calc 7150 / 11312.7937668
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