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jonsykkel |
although, in final type system (which might lok something like http://zzz.st/up/XluYXtXO/) the indexes can be encoded directly into blob of bytes same way as will be done in x86 version |
| 06:55 |
jonsykkel |
aka http://zzz.st/up/XluYXtXO/ <- link that works in log |
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| 07:16 |
jonsykkel |
proly need another bit for constness |
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| 09:28 |
phf |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-29#1025326 << tsk, asciilifeform doesn't recognize SECD instructions by name! |
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| 09:28 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-03-29 13:36:00 asciilifeform[6]: jonsykkel: what does it do with 'LDC', 'RTN', 'LDF', etc. crapola ? ( not appears in the c coad ) |
| 09:28 |
jonsykkel |
embarassing |
| 09:30 |
phf |
but i kind of lost track of projects goal, outside of being a cool scheme on secd implementation |
| 09:31 |
jonsykkel |
gole for me at least is to have usable minimal lang that can be ported to anythign in 30min |
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| 09:32 |
jonsykkel |
and being lisp ultra n00b, learnment purposes |
| 09:35 |
phf |
ah word |
| 09:49 |
phf |
apropos of nothing i'd like to document the phrase "going full chuck moore", for the logs. it means building your own technology stack, and retreating into it from the outside, inferior world. can be applied to e.g. "owning" some retro stack also. |
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| 09:50 |
phf |
and of course, you never go full chuck moore, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q |
| 09:50 |
phf |
terry davis went full chuck moore and look at him now |
| 09:56 |
phf |
but if one were to go full chuck moore a secd machine with a bunch of small higher level languages targeting it is probably not the worst way. i'm personally partial to microcoded architectures, but there's also for example the wirth route which i also like: oberon which is still a |
| 09:56 |
phf |
live, though oberon's strategy is to have the core to be so simple that it's easy to retarget. but from that direction my favorite system is probably ucsd-pascal, which is a self-contained operating system/programming environment/etc running on a portable p-code vm. |
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| 10:17 |
jonsykkel |
terry davis is a great inspiration |
| 10:18 |
jonsykkel |
is oberon not same as wat im doing then? small core that can put atop of anything |
| 10:18 |
jonsykkel |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-30#1025345 << here i meant the secd itself can be ported |
| 10:18 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-03-30 09:31:56 jonsykkel: gole for me at least is to have usable minimal lang that can be ported to anythign in 30min |
| 10:18 |
jonsykkel |
gota go afk couple hours |
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| 11:20 |
phf |
the oberon on wirth's site doesn't have a virtual machine. the language is designed to be small enough that you can "easily" retarget it, but i don't know what the compilation strategy is like |
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| 11:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-30#1025341 << indeed lol, not immed. realized |
| 11:44 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-03-30 09:28:30 phf[4]: http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-29#1025326 << tsk, asciilifeform doesn't recognize SECD instructions by name! |
| 11:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.bitdash.io/pest/2023-03-30#1025348 << in re jonsykkel's item, asciilifeform's notion was less ambitious than 'full chuckmoore' |
| 11:49 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2023-03-30 09:49:50 phf[4]: apropos of nothing i'd like to document the phrase "going full chuck moore", for the logs. it means building your own technology stack, and retreating into it from the outside, inferior world. can be applied to e.g. "owning" some retro stack also. |
| 11:49 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-03-17 asciilifeform: mangol: what's imho needed is a fully 'autarkik' scripting lang, which sucks in 0 shitlibs and runs, like 'M', on any extant pc iron under all linuxen from past ~15y |
| 11:49 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2020-01-13 asciilifeform: re 'sh' etc : there's a dire lack of civilized scripting lang presently. |
| 11:52 |
asciilifeform |
( and see earlier thrds. ) |
| 11:52 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-08-21 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct) |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
oughta be possible to write proggies like this w/out any of a) reader wants to claw his eyes out b) GBs of ??? deps c) bizarrely variant behaviour across platforms |
| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
d) dep on c compiler |
| 11:55 |
asciilifeform |
thinking re 'full chuckmoore' -- currently, the 'policeman' against this is the www browser. ( the set of folx ready to let go of it, aint a null set, but likely limited to terry davis candidates, sadly , for foreseeable future ) |
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| 16:03 |
unpx |
asciilifeform: what do you mean by "www" here? Just removing HTML, cookies and quirks, like keeping just the public documents/files available and everything else behind some other protocol or do you mean something else? |
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| 16:19 |
PeterL |
unpx: I'd guess asciilifeform is implying that it is unlikely one can run FireFox on their own minimalistic self-maintained software stack |
| 16:25 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: google et al 'stole' www, long ago, turned it into a multi-GB pseudo-standard 'moving target' ~entirely unimplementable (in any reliable sense) by any third party |
| 16:27 |
asciilifeform |
which aint to say that you can't use a '90s style browser to read e.g. asciilifeform's www. but you won't be loggin into yer bank etc. from it. |
| 16:32 |
asciilifeform |
... at this point, even ~building~ the thing on ordinary linux is becoming an everest climb |
| 16:32 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-02-05 asciilifeform: fwiw there are a number of proggies i was not able to build on that x60 , under my gentoo banflag-list . e.g. 'chromium', number of others. |
| 16:33 |
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asciilifeform has boxen w/ e.g. 256G ram, 24core cpu, etc. and the fucking shitware reliably guzzles up ~all of it |
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| 16:33 |
asciilifeform |
( when ~using~, not even speaking of any attempt to build ) |
| 16:46 |
unpx |
PeterL, asciilifeform: indeed, but what then? I may have a comfy machine for working and then a machine for specific bank/gov stuff, but then what would you have in that work machine? wget, lynx port, Konqueror, Pale Moon? Or would you reduce documents to TXT and forget HTML rendering? |
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| 18:53 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: well, 'if wishes were horses', wainot 'concordia'. |
| 18:53 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-09-13 asciilifeform: trinque: https://vimeo.com/83886950 |