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01:55 verisimilitude Well, I used BONIOR in a sentence, only to later learn the proper form is MELIOR. I figure this is the manner of mistake a Roman child would make; oh well.
01:57 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079981 This works, I tested, but it's not clear to me it always works; I quite like the little trick I used for mine, using the correctness of one to prove the other.
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01:57 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 01:22:57 jonsykkel: clear http://zzz.st/up/YGIBb4rh
01:57 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079982 I intend to have one at some point, jonsykkel.
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01:57 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 01:23:10 jonsykkel: dificult to compare minimalness of computation wihtout low levle inplemenation
01:59 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079983 My machine text representation will help. I like to imagine a forum based around it. Imagine how much nicer it would be to have a machine-level understanding of which messages reference which, built out of commands and not syntax which can be typed incorrectly.
01:59 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 01:24:13 jonsykkel: parsing indeed sux which is why in future when i have my own planet there will be auto enforced death penalty for breaking rule that data shud stay in machine format until displayed to user
01:59 verisimilitude Perhaps most importantly, consider the forum communicating to the client with normal messages that aren't parsed to divine meaning; consider this: new code: 29
02:00 verisimilitude However, consider a system where those two words and their trailing punctuation fit in two thirty-two bit words; consider that the system wouldn't parse them, but simply know of the message ahead of time, and compare verbatim templates for the context until it determines which one matches; consider that new code of 29 isn't a number to be parsed, but inlined in the message as a known number.
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02:00 verisimilitude Lastly, consider that what I've shown is merely how the message could be displayed to a human. The only disadvantage here is the inability to change message text, not that it would be a great loss. This is a true format for intercommunication, trivial for machines and with no parsing, yet able to be displayed to a human without issue.
02:01 verisimilitude These characters have been recycled from another conversation, but I'm not certain anyone would wish me to link it here.
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03:09 verisimilitude Say, asciilifeform, I was skulking around and came across this: https://lobste.rs/s/fr0drk/where_lisp_fails_at_turning_people_into
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03:09 verisimilitude I like how the first comment concerns how the article triggered a thought-terminating checklist that had the reader lose interest.
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03:10 verisimilitude He even called it the ``outside view checklist''.
03:13 verisimilitude Progress marches ever onward, so it's never ever ever the case that only a small group of people be right; if it be not found in (SYMBOL-PLIST BIG-CORPORATE-MEDIA) then it won't be worth thinking about, clearly.
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04:32 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-21#1080259 << Interesting responses to that article, I quite liked it when I first read it. I would have to say that alexandria here makes a very good point on design. (I'd like to point out that I neither agree nor disagree with the opening statement. Objectively; it's an inconsiderate
04:32 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-21 22:09:09 verisimilitude: Say, asciilifeform, I was skulking around and came across this: https://lobste.rs/s/fr0drk/where_lisp_fails_at_turning_people_into
04:32 crtdaydreams half-truth.) I would put forth that ``designing'' a proggy is far more foolish, as evident by the existence of this. Of course it's arguable that it's muh standards fault. But in all practicality, the limit for design appears to be the number of datastructures one can understand and utilize. Taking on a different definition for
04:32 crtdaydreams design though, one more oriented towards a creative process. One can definitely see the need for a different way of thinking, as a programmer you have the capabilities to make wonderful things if you change tack from thinking about how to flip bits to how you want an abstraction to behave. Design is not about drawing DFDs or changing a <div></div> element to be centered. I can't
04:32 crtdaydreams tell you what it is, it's something you have to learn though application, experimentation and principles.
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14:00 asciilifeform ... cement testbed at 402k+ .
14:00 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
14:00 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $37871.99
14:00 asciilifeform !w poll
14:00 watchglass Polling 14 nodes...
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15:08 asciilifeform !q uptime
15:08 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 251d 11h 6m
15:18 asciilifeform cgra et al : possibly pertinent ancient thrd re: 'wtf takes so long in block-eating'
15:18 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-02-24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's typical example: block 454521 on dulap : AddToBlockIndex: ~90 sec: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1212 << 99.98% of this interval
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21:28 verisimilitude Great, now that I've a name for it, I see graphomania all around.
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21:47 asciilifeform verisimilitude: there's over9000 folx whose main affliction is soul-sucking boredom, and/or desire to 'show how clever'
21:49 asciilifeform ... often enuff, they do this by spewing out elaborate justifications for the unjustifiable.
21:50 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-21#1080260 << apropos.
21:50 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-21 22:09:43 verisimilitude: I like how the first comment concerns how the article triggered a thought-terminating checklist that had the reader lose interest.
21:52 verisimilitude My favourite part of that idiot's comment is how he argues evolution is better, unawares of the real mathematicians and programmers using something that really resembles evolution, and not, as I put it, ``simulating it with C language programmers writing shitty software''.
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21:53 verisimilitude I can see his response, ``No! I meant this other thing called evolution!''.
21:54 signpost only solution is for these to starve.
21:54 verisimilitude Even when these idiots think they've backed someone into a corner, they're wrong on several levels.
21:54 signpost they're yet fed, so why stop.
21:54 verisimilitude No, feed them with bullets.
21:54 signpost you first.
21:54 asciilifeform verisimilitude: favourite tactic of erudite tards -- draw wholly spurious parallel, proceed as if had sumthing to do with fact
21:54 verisimilitude I'd prefer not to, signpost.
21:55 signpost that was more or less my point.
21:55 verisimilitude I probably wouldn't bother commenting so much, if I weren't able to litter the comments with links to my website.
21:56 verisimilitude Okay.
21:57 verisimilitude I could discuss what I'd really like to do, and how, but I'd rather not, signpost.
21:59 signpost how's this impotent talk different from the kind you're complaining about?
21:59 verisimilitude EGO MELIOR SVM QVAM ILLE
21:59 verisimilitude I am better than he.
22:03 verisimilitude But, yes, let's shift topic.
22:04 verisimilitude I'll be studying that Python implementation of online codes at some point, signpost; that will allow me to shortcut reading those papers I need to read.
22:05 verisimilitude Does it require an in-depth knowledge of Python, or should I be able to read it well enough without such?
22:05 signpost doesn't use any hanky pythonisms that would be unclear.
22:06 signpost the "bigdown" paper is still worthwhile, if you haven't the time to eat the other one.
22:06 signpost pretty short, practical.
22:07 verisimilitude I'd appreciate a link to it.
22:08 signpost I'm sure you can find it if you can be roused.
22:09 verisimilitude That's fair enough.
22:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-22#1080296 << these generally are academiwank curios, rather than actual effective solutions to anyffin, ftr. for fundamental reasons.
22:21 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-22 16:52:38 verisimilitude: My favourite part of that idiot's comment is how he argues evolution is better, unawares of the real mathematicians and programmers using something that really resembles evolution, and not, as I put it, ``simulating it with C language programmers writing shitty software''.
22:21 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-03-22 asciilifeform: we had a homework of evolving (genetic algo) - rather than, as usually done, 'training' a small NN
22:21 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-07-20 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.
22:23 asciilifeform for all the entertainment value of such demos, what you end up with is a simulation of the least desirable aspects of meat.
22:23 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-11-14 asciilifeform: the one where not a single thing about the circuit made sense to the human dissector
22:25 asciilifeform i.e. instead of deterministic mechanism, get 'worx if not carried to next room and if voice of america is playing same track as it was during the evol. run'
22:25 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-08-31 asciilifeform: deterministic machine ( i.e. where it is not acceptable for output to vary with phase of the moon and which elvis track 'voice of america' is playing ) entails ints.
22:26 asciilifeform vs. what a sane designer of artificial objects does.
22:26 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-01-19 ascii_butugychag: the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want.
22:27 asciilifeform soo, verisimilitude , the linked idjit's analogy is apt, simply not in the direction he'd prefer.
22:34 verisimilitude It's wrong on several level, yes.
22:37 asciilifeform at any rate the net is fulla these spews, 'dontcha know, permanently correct software does not exist, could not exist, because reasons' etc
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22:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-15 21:29:41 asciilifeform: a properly-adaized replacement-trb (i.e. with ZERO traces of derpcoad and demonstrably bug-free) would be what one could call 'permanent software'
22:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 19:33:03 asciilifeform: the very notion that a piece of softs could be permanently finished, afaik srsly discussed publicly only here.
22:38 asciilifeform armchair psychologists have a popular term for such byproduct, 'hamstering'
22:38 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-08-29 asciilifeform: which is why you end up observing what the 'pill' folx called 'hamstering', when confronting them , rubbing nose in it
22:39 asciilifeform i.e. the squeak of the wheel turned by the sufferer in attempt to run away from himself
22:39 verisimilitude They're dead to reason entirely.
22:40 verisimilitude ``Software can't be correct.'' ``Can we get any piece, such as addition, correct?'' ``I guess.'' ``Thus, we can compose correct pieces correctly.'' ``No.''
22:40 asciilifeform verisimilitude: most common, afaik, path to this condition is when reason would require the sufferer to consider wagner&cyanide
22:41 asciilifeform the ones who wake up to reason and bite the cyanide, one doesn't hear from. so what remains is these.
22:42 asciilifeform verisimilitude: they're correct re 'we can't compose the pieces', given as ~they~ cannot. but unable to come to terms with the fact that idjit belongs digging holes rather than programming a computer, proceeds to 'no one can'
22:44 asciilifeform apropos, the idjit's cosmography ~demands~ that he make efforts to sabotage anyffin which hints of a potential for permanent correctness
22:44 verisimilitude The worthlessness of an idea can be measured by how readily people accept, celebrate, and discuss the idea in question.
22:44 asciilifeform given as (correctly) sees as existential threat to his kind.
22:46 asciilifeform verisimilitude: most of the 'celebration' you'll see in software is of same kind as flies 'celebrating' corpse
22:47 verisimilitude That's a piece of my point.
22:52 asciilifeform the professional idjit fears correctly, permanently-designed systems ~which have no need of his kind~ far moar than fears bullet.
22:52 dulapbot (agriculturalsupremacy) 2020-02-27 asciilifeform: black holes that can absorb ~infinite effort and still suck -- sell. 'job-creating technology'(tm)(r).
22:53 verisimilitude MicroSoft, Google™
22:53 asciilifeform is why you can reliably provoke arbitrarily spectacular lymphocyte storm on just about any tard forum simply by mentioning e.g. commonlisp
22:54 verisimilitude ``I don't need Common Lisp, I like my mental chastity cage, actually.''
22:55 verisimilitude I'm now reminded.
22:55 verisimilitude https://blog.roblox.com/2022/01/roblox-return-to-service-10-28-10-31-2021/
22:56 verisimilitude ``Hardware issues are not unusual at Roblox’s scale, and Consul can survive hardware failure. However, if hardware is merely slow rather than failing, it can impact overall Consul performance.''
22:58 verisimilitude ``Consul is deployed as a cluster of machines in two roles. “Voters” (5 machines) authoritatively hold the state of the cluster; “Non-voters” (5 additional machines) are read-only replicas that assist with scaling read requests. At any given time, one of the voters is elected by the cluster as leader. The leader is responsible for replicating data to the other voters and determining if written data has been fully committed
22:59 verisimilitude Their ``scalable infrastructure'' imploded on its single point of failure.
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22:59 verisimilitude This was caused by a logging library that didn't behave as mechanically as thought.
23:00 verisimilitude Throwing bodies at a problem doesn't work when a mental midget constructs a tower to reach the heavens without realizing it.
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23:55 billymg whaack: at block 619140 now, it hit the orphan loop at 619141 since my trb isn't built with jfw's dumpblock patch
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23:56 billymg nb though considering it started 8 days ago
23:58 billymg only would've needed another day or two to finish (this was with a fully synced trb chain, so the trbexplorer didn't also have to wait for that to sync)
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