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00:00 badon That's important USA history that is not in USA history books.
00:00 badon bbl
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00057296 = 9.5684 BTC [-] {2}
00:08 * asciilifeform random derps on the tumblrs << misread as 'on the tumbrils'
00:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.12786714 = 3.836 BTC [+] {3}
00:15 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3170 @ 0.0012 = 3.804 BTC
00:23 asciilifeform http://americandigest.org/aaa1079cklarge-drone-assassina.jpg
00:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/135i8xM )
00:23 asciilifeform (from a larger loltron, http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/2013_02.php )
00:23 assbot AMERICAN DIGEST: February 2013 Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/135ibJK )
00:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5361 @ 0.00058931 = 3.1593 BTC [+]
00:26 mircea_popescu soo... argentines are about to set fire to the town AGAIN
00:26 mircea_popescu 2nd time this week.
00:26 mircea_popescu there's like... people on top of people on top of buses.
00:26 mircea_popescu i have nfi what they're so excited about, at 3am
00:28 BingoBoingo Probably a local club won a game again.
00:28 BingoBoingo Losing fans generally lack the energy to burn the world
00:29 mircea_popescu i guess it must have.
00:38 BingoBoingo !up huseby
00:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.0006126 = 19.3582 BTC [+] {4}
00:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ransomware article << funny thing, i have plenty of windows boxen, emulators, vm, etc. they are used for the purpose for which they work best: running crapware.
00:39 ben_vulpes <BingoBoingo> It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic. << counting from what now?
00:40 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi
00:40 ben_vulpes :D
00:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I don't really know many people who don't
00:41 asciilifeform who don't what ?
00:41 asciilifeform i had none at all before taking up my present line of work.
00:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Have some sort of windows install for crapware. Maybe not for archeological purposes, but everyone with a Windows box seems to use it for the purpose of running crapware. They just aren't usually aware of it.
00:42 asciilifeform 'you may not take an interest in war but war is certainly interested in you'
00:43 ben_vulpes <thestringpuller> instead he says, "You people don't know how this works" in reference to criticism of his poor decision making process. << thestringpuller clearly doesn't understand how the world works
00:43 ben_vulpes also, one does not *hire* leadership.
00:44 mircea_popescu <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: A.S. 300 Anno Satoshi << can it be 300 ass ?
00:44 mircea_popescu as opposed to as ?
00:44 mircea_popescu brilliant idea otherwise.
00:44 BingoBoingo A.SS it is
00:44 ben_vulpes leastaways i've yet to see that work out for anyone. more often than not hiring leadership is a cover for the sharks to move in and kick founding teams out.
00:44 asciilifeform piss-poor year zero.
00:44 ben_vulpes frequently deservedly, but nevertheless.
00:44 asciilifeform i'll wait for usg nuremberg.
00:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know ad is from the birth of christ
00:45 asciilifeform ad yes
00:45 mircea_popescu not from rebirth.
00:45 asciilifeform as
00:45 asciilifeform eh.
00:47 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2014#886771 << re: ass
00:47 assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 00:43:32; ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
00:48 mircea_popescu aha
00:48 ben_vulpes handy, this public record.
00:49 mircea_popescu mhm
00:49 fluffypony almost like a "log" of sorts
00:49 fluffypony where you can go back and check on things
00:50 fluffypony whatever will they think of next
00:50 mircea_popescu it totally keeps track of discussions and ideas and everything
00:50 ben_vulpes o wow one can do all that too?
00:50 fluffypony think of it as stone tablets
00:51 fluffypony but someone is chiseling every conversation we have here
00:51 fluffypony and there's another guy who will go retrieve older stone tablets on your request
00:51 ben_vulpes <thestringpuller> I had a coworker who bought a car, and is still underwater on the loan. It's like "really"? << when are car loans not ever underwater?
00:51 asciilifeform ^
00:52 mircea_popescu right. consumer credit works on that principle.
00:52 asciilifeform think car loan is a scam? try food loan.
00:52 asciilifeform product turns to shit every time!
00:52 asciilifeform sc4mz0rz.
00:52 fluffypony lol
00:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00061722 = 11.7821 BTC [+] {2}
00:52 mircea_popescu wait wut
00:53 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was speaking of the well-known fact that a new car in usa loses around a fifth of its market value when driven off the merchant lot
00:53 asciilifeform this is a tell-tale bezzle bell
00:54 asciilifeform for certain especially perverse goods (e.g. diamond rings) it's ~90% iirc
00:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00062388 = 6.0204 BTC [+]
00:54 ben_vulpes hah well
00:54 ben_vulpes first one'd have to pay more than the gold is worth
00:55 asciilifeform to 'devil's advocate' - driving the car off the lot turns it into another class of machine entirely.
00:55 asciilifeform see the 'provenance' discussion.
00:56 asciilifeform (re: eotvos experiment)
00:56 ben_vulpes i got away with a "filigree" piece - 90% air anyways
00:56 asciilifeform wai wat
00:56 asciilifeform in your car?
00:56 ben_vulpes no on lady v's finger
00:56 asciilifeform l0l
00:56 * asciilifeform has not, does not, will not - own rings
00:56 asciilifeform woman - also
00:57 asciilifeform rings bring mutilation and death to the chemical, electrical, mechanical experimenter.
00:57 ben_vulpes i like to piss on my bushes
00:57 ben_vulpes different strokes
00:58 asciilifeform piss on my bushes << electric fence in bushes ?
00:58 * asciilifeform unfamiliar with expression
00:59 ben_vulpes a reference to territory marking.
00:59 asciilifeform lol, ring has your coat of arms on it?
00:59 ben_vulpes "a collar by any other name..."
01:00 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: this is really such a mystery to you?
01:00 * asciilifeform recalls one of the folks at mircea_popescu's party having collar
01:00 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not so much the custom of rings being a mystery, but how it marks the territory as being yours in particular, to the naked eye
01:01 ben_vulpes how does a fence mark the land as belonging to any particular man?
01:01 asciilifeform it doesn't
01:01 ben_vulpes and the message it sends?
01:01 BingoBoingo What voltage does the fence have?
01:01 ben_vulpes at least in these parts "cross me and get shot".
01:02 asciilifeform 'survivors will be shot again!'
01:02 ben_vulpes i don't leave survivors.
01:04 ben_vulpes more accurately, the roboturrets don't miss.
01:11 BingoBoingo Any updates from down under on their brush with IStralia?
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01:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52923 @ 0.00060115 = 31.8147 BTC [-] {3}
01:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00059376 = 3.2063 BTC [-]
01:31 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> woman - also << nose rings can be useful :D
01:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20616 @ 0.00059376 = 12.241 BTC [-]
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01:51 ben_vulpes is anyone aware of interesting hiccups around using bitcoin to send rpc commands to a bitcoin daemon running on a different host?
01:53 fluffypony why would you not just use curl to send the RPC commands?
01:53 ben_vulpes cause derp, obviously
01:54 ben_vulpes ty fluffypony
01:54 fluffypony np
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02:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00060016 = 3.0608 BTC [+]
02:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17629 @ 0.00059704 = 10.5252 BTC [-]
02:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7171 @ 0.00059704 = 4.2814 BTC [-]
02:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00059385 = 10.4815 BTC [-]
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03:34 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2300 @ 0.0012 = 2.76 BTC
03:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.0005843 = 1.9574 BTC [-]
03:45 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/semifinal/
03:45 assbot Semi-Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1Go6TPM )
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04:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00059192 = 27.0371 BTC [+] {2}
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04:24 BingoBoingo Oh Coinion updated http://www.coinion.com/2014/12/11/gambling-online-dollar-much-better-bitcoin/
04:24 assbot Gambling Online: The Dollar is SO Much Better Than Bitcoin - The Coinion ... ( http://bit.ly/12STgJI )
04:26 BingoBoingo Looks like an ad placement by a retard
04:26 * BingoBoingo disappoint again
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04:48 davout the ddos on connect thing seems to still be going on
04:48 davout looks like it prevents anyone from webchat to connect
04:49 davout even when cloaked
04:49 davout well, actually it's the cloak that doesn't actually work with webchat
04:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31881 @ 0.00059362 = 18.9252 BTC [+]
04:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00059754 = 7.8577 BTC [+] {2}
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05:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26274 @ 0.00059992 = 15.7623 BTC [+] {2}
05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21657 @ 0.00059175 = 12.8155 BTC [-] {2}
05:22 adlai bitfinex seems to have the same kind of uncertainty as mpex
05:23 davout adlai: wut
05:23 adlai where you can have an order placed/cancelled message processed by the API server, but a subsequent order book query shows that the order matcher hasn't yet seen the order
05:23 davout you can not infer what the matching engine has seen from an order book query
05:24 davout for all you know it might be cached and not expired yet
05:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35692 @ 0.00058062 = 20.7235 BTC [-] {2}
05:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00057896 = 18.0346 BTC [-]
05:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00060016 = 7.322 BTC [+]
05:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00057893 = 13.3443 BTC [-] {2}
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06:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00058557 = 11.5943 BTC [+] {2}
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06:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32627 @ 0.00059433 = 19.3912 BTC [+] {2}
07:05 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.12408674 = 6.4525 BTC [-] {5}
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07:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.00057886 = 19.276 BTC [-] {3}
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07:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44094 @ 0.00056586 = 24.951 BTC [-] {3}
07:55 mircea_popescu !up Rory_
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08:10 davout mircea_popescu: seems like the welcome-ddos is another barrier to entry
08:10 mircea_popescu hehe.
08:10 mircea_popescu pretty cool huh.
08:11 davout also you can't avoid it from webchat
08:11 davout since the cloaking doesn't work
08:12 mircea_popescu it does ?
08:13 davout try to get cloaked from webchat, at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it
08:13 mircea_popescu o.O
08:13 mircea_popescu that's pretty stupid.
08:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00056436 = 16.6486 BTC [-]
08:21 cazalla shit is heating up here, media won't show the videos from IS
08:21 cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AxN0Yvt_yE for example
08:21 assbot ISIS demands in sydney through hostage - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTO5Ha )
08:21 mircea_popescu lol put it up.
08:22 mircea_popescu ah it's on youtube nm
08:22 cazalla yeah it's everywhere except TV, so it's nowhere according to TV lol
08:22 mircea_popescu yeah, because tv really matters o.O
08:23 mircea_popescu so is the statal bureaucrat going to break down and actually *GASP* talk to someone outside of the venues the state controls ?
08:23 mircea_popescu or is he going to *pretend* like he gives a shit about anything but his fantasy ?
08:24 mircea_popescu pretty big deal this, imo.
08:24 mircea_popescu australian prime minister basically is admitting de facto that a) he stands for a lie and b) he's too stupid to be able to argue for it persuasively.
08:24 mircea_popescu his case is unexceptional. obama couldn't argue why the usg should even exist either.
08:25 cazalla he won't talk to em, not a chance, heads are gonna roll either way by looks of it
08:25 mircea_popescu pretty cool imo.
08:25 mircea_popescu this point needs to be made, and made often and made well.
08:25 mircea_popescu "democratically elected representatives" are not only dumb as rocks, but fundamentally unrepresentative.
08:37 cazalla well, you were right about the landwhales lol http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32f_1418647768
08:37 assbot LiveLeak.com - Sydney Siege Hostage Demands (Video 4) ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTR2aS )
08:38 cazalla srs though, can't be that dedicated to the cause if he didn't even have his own flag
08:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00060235 = 19.0343 BTC [+] {2}
08:49 cazalla apparently this is the dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Haron
08:49 assbot Sheikh Haron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTT8aH )
08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57311 @ 0.00058158 = 33.3309 BTC [-]
08:57 mircea_popescu halfassed terrorist holds a bunch of fatasses hostage ?
09:02 cazalla looks somewhat halfassed, arrested for sending angry letters previously, guess that is to far a jump to heads on pikes
09:02 mircea_popescu "and was later verified by media (with permission from the authorities)"
09:02 mircea_popescu dude srsly ?
09:02 cazalla yeah, sad eh
09:02 mircea_popescu myeah.
09:02 cazalla if this guy gets out of it alive, he has a future in viral marketing on social media
09:02 mircea_popescu why would i want to read a "press" that publishes by permission ?
09:02 mircea_popescu lol
09:02 mircea_popescu every social reject from every mechanism and circumstance has the same future in viral marketing.
09:04 mircea_popescu meanwhile on the other side of internet lol, http://pastebin.com/rHSu3iPi
09:04 assbot I'm homeless indian junkie. I'm accepting Bitcoin donations to buy crack for me - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVYwv )
09:10 cazalla "Sent from my iPhone"
09:11 mircea_popescu that a good thing ?
09:13 thestringpuller dunno why a homeless person addicted to crack would have an iPhone...
09:13 thestringpuller or how for that matter
09:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1948 @ 0.00060124 = 1.1712 BTC [+]
09:14 cazalla looks like that was used for Preet Bharara
09:15 mircea_popescu thestringpuller internet derp being what he imagines is sarcastic.
09:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00060687 = 13.5939 BTC [+] {2}
09:18 mircea_popescu get a cloak Rory_
09:19 cazalla i wonder if it's a psychological tactic to release his name at this time, maybe he feels media gives him recognition and being tired, is content with that and gives up
09:19 mircea_popescu the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy.
09:20 cazalla barely noticed tbh
09:21 mircea_popescu shit sherlock
09:21 mircea_popescu https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
09:21 assbot Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
09:21 mircea_popescu you seen that c?
09:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00060931 = 13.4658 BTC [+]
09:22 mircea_popescu larger than the previous peak.
09:22 cazalla well, that's not bad
09:22 mircea_popescu by a good 50%
09:23 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: thank reddit
09:23 mircea_popescu oh ?
09:23 cazalla yeah, a qntra post was like #4 or something on reddit earlier
09:23 thestringpuller qntra was on front page of /r/bitcoin
09:23 cazalla http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2p9ctz/ford_motor_company_bitcoin_a_trend_for_2015/
09:23 assbot Ford Motor Company: Bitcoin A Trend For 2015 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHCSsy )
09:23 thestringpuller to quote "I came for the bunny" so you should actually be thanking cazalla 's bunny
09:24 mircea_popescu o ic
09:24 cazalla not bad considering i was drunk at the time, just ask BingoBoingo
09:24 mircea_popescu lol
09:24 mircea_popescu funny enoughy, awstats doesn't see the same sort of jumps
09:25 mircea_popescu i think part of this might be that most of qntra stable readership are computer savvy folks and so invisible,
09:25 mircea_popescu but whenever reddit or whoever pours in, there's a huge upsurge in traffic visible for quantcast.
09:25 cazalla wouldn't it be other way around? savvy reader blocks quantcast code, hit still reg in webserver stats?
09:26 mircea_popescu exactly.
09:26 cazalla who are all these asians though
09:26 mircea_popescu awstats average is like 6-700, yest 1.3k
09:26 mircea_popescu quantcast is more like 50-200, yest 2.7k
09:27 mircea_popescu anyways, nice going. it's fun to have the ath yest.
09:28 cazalla nb considering things have been slow past week, i would expect things to crawl over xmas period too
09:28 mircea_popescu me too yeah
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09:54 thestringpuller cazalla: well given BingoBoingo's prevention of shitware piece, maybe more non-time-sensitive pieces?
09:55 davout !t x.eur
09:55 assbot You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
09:55 cazalla thestringpuller, yeah, those articles are good for the weekend
09:55 thestringpuller !t m x.eur
09:55 assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00350937 / 0.00353359 / 0.0035368 (449 shares, 1.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00341302 / 0.00349125 / 0.00355121 (2207 shares, 7.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00321492 / 0.00337825 / 0.00355121 (6434 shares, 21.74 BTC)
09:55 cazalla i'm off anyway, zzz
09:55 thestringpuller night mang
09:55 davout thestringpuller: ah thx
09:55 mircea_popescu !up ug_
09:55 thestringpuller see you in a few hours
09:55 mircea_popescu he doesn't really sleep much does he.
09:55 davout mircea_popescu: x.eur plox
09:55 thestringpuller does anyone sleep that much in this channel?
09:56 mircea_popescu i guess not o.O
09:56 mircea_popescu davout will happen today :)
09:57 davout mircea_popescu: so, why does it not make sense according to you that x.eur could trade continuously?
09:57 mircea_popescu because old and new contracts hafta be distinguished.
09:57 mircea_popescu and because downstream providers & brokers need a settlement spot
10:00 davout mircea_popescu: old and new can be distinguished by the current timestamp, after cutoff all "old" contracts turn into "new"
10:01 davout could you elaborate on the settlement spot ?
10:01 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is this why there were options appended with T and N
10:01 mircea_popescu basically, we're cheating by using a singlke name for different instruments.
10:01 thestringpuller N's would eventually turn into T's
10:01 mircea_popescu this works ok if therer's some time separation.
10:01 davout because the way i see it, it could perfectly make sense to say "if you want delivery, email me before cutoff minus 24h, push the asset, email receipt, and you get delivered on the settlement date"
10:02 mircea_popescu anyway, you'll get the new set later today, nottin' to get too excited about.
10:03 davout i could understand the "it's actually two different assets" point if at some point you had to sell the old one and buy the new one
10:04 mircea_popescu i can see people doing that.
10:04 davout if one automatically turns into the other one at some point they sure look like the same to me
10:05 * mircea_popescu shrugs
10:05 mircea_popescu this arguing by simple restatement of one's position is uninteresting.
10:07 davout i guess that what i'm trying to clear up is the question: "why do you want to distinguish them?"
10:08 mircea_popescu because they are actually different things.
10:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00061138 = 8.4065 BTC [+] {2}
10:13 davout well, just because two dollar bills have a different serial number doesn't make it very useful to distinguish them, likewise it does not seem very useful to me to want to distinguish between these, maybe it's just me but i don't see what problem this solves
10:13 mircea_popescu but these aren't two dollar bills. one is a dollar bill of your paycheck today. the other is a dollar bill of your paycheck next month. they aren't fungible.
10:15 davout absolutely, but at any point of time there can't be only a single contract type trading, unlike what i understand from the usual future contracts where at some point both contracts are trading simultaneously
10:19 mircea_popescu yeah well, the time granularity here is closer to the day than to the second
10:20 davout from what i understand, it's usually the case that the N and N+1 contracts trade simultaneously during a few days at least
10:21 mircea_popescu if they're specially denominated, yeah.
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10:43 TomServo Wow. 1USD = 60.5RUB.
10:50 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4008 @ 0.0012 = 4.8096 BTC
10:52 mircea_popescu nuts.
10:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
11:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00061248 = 25.8467 BTC [+] {2}
11:09 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC
11:21 asciilifeform at first it works, but then some freenode bot instantly removes it << wtf is the deal with the 'cloaking' thing anyway. why the idiocy of displaying ip by default ?
11:22 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works!1111!!
11:22 mircea_popescu they're just clueless idiots.
11:22 asciilifeform apparently not
11:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00060931 = 8.3475 BTC [-]
11:24 * mircea_popescu recalls his last foray into #freenode, where some staf derp explained how he can revert hashes
11:24 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> the way this guy cuts down on all the dumb idlers that imagine whatever, b-a is just another channel, can autopilot in is so fucking great srlsy. << too strong of a noob filter imho. more spport for the casuals!
11:25 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if they're actively trying to stick, they can triviallydo so.
11:25 mircea_popescu if they just wantr to idle in 500 "bitcoin related" channels fuck them.
11:25 thestringpuller go to #freenode "Hey can I have cloak"
11:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.0006108 = 23.0577 BTC [+] {2}
11:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00060307 = 2.2314 BTC [-]
11:34 rithm "can i haz cloak" makes it happen faster
11:48 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2277 @ 0.0012 = 2.7324 BTC
11:52 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4300 @ 0.0012 = 5.16 BTC
11:52 davout mircea_popescu: mpex seems half-down
11:52 davout n/a everywhere
11:53 mircea_popescu workin' on it.
12:02 jurov $proxies
12:02 empyex jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
12:03 empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.biz (5108 milliseconds), mpex.co (5120 milliseconds), mpex.ws (5230 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (5505 milliseconds)
12:03 empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
12:03 jurov l0l
12:04 davout jurov: the patient is dead but the heart monitor self-test reports 100% success phew
12:06 kakobrekla ah yes, the ping machine!
12:06 kakobrekla ;;google machine that goes ping
12:06 gribble Monty Python - Hospital Sketch - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc>; The Meaning of Life (1983) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085959/quotes>; Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_The_Meaning_of_Life>
12:10 mircea_popescu davout lol well, they have a split issue. the proxies are online, just... no data.
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12:25 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1670 @ 0.0012 = 2.004 BTC
12:37 asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla when you measured the 1+gb/sec or whatever of ddos, didja log incoming packets ?
12:37 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:42 kakobrekla asciilifeform nope.
12:44 asciilifeform kakobrekla: if you can be bothered, try the experiment again, with tcpdump log. and post or send privately (i only need packet payloads and originator ip)
12:44 asciilifeform no rush.
12:45 asciilifeform kakobrekla: example >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/flood.txt.gz
12:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1svN0DW )
12:55 asciilifeform https://ssdpscan.shadowserver.org
12:55 assbot The Shadowserver Foundation: Simple Service Discovery Protocol (SSDP) Scanning Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1svOj5H )
12:56 asciilifeform interestingly, they do not publish the ips, but did post this graphic: https://ssdpscan.shadowserver.org/all/ssdp_hilbert_4096_current.png << from which you can easily derive them!
12:56 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1svOluw )
12:56 asciilifeform ^ exercise for alert reader
12:59 asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JOOtTeT-uH4J:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D4502619+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
12:59 assbot Free C SSDP attack script + scanner, don't get scammed! - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svP3Yx )
12:59 asciilifeform ^ mega-lol re: idiots
13:03 davout mircea_popescu: so you're using mysqlol on the proxies
13:03 asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L1ay4bsEJyIJ:www.hackforums.net/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D4427786+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us << from same snakepit, explanation for the thickest
13:03 assbot SSDP Amplification Vector Explain [Attack Script & Scanner included] + a GIFT - Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQ6YH )
13:06 davout X.EUR December statement : http://fr.anco.is/2014/12/15/x-eur-december-15th-2014-statement/
13:06 assbot X.EUR December 15th 2014 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1svQXbQ )
13:06 davout asset transfers will happen when MPEx gets back
13:08 davout which is apparently now
13:09 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/teenage-boys-the-premier-source-of-comedy-gold/
13:10 kakobrekla asciilifeform port 80 only?
13:10 asciilifeform kakobrekla: nah, originating from 1900
13:10 asciilifeform destination may vary.
13:12 asciilifeform for the impatient: the way this particular type of ddos works is called 'amplification.' certain kinds of misconfigured consumer routers will send several packets to victim ip for every packet received from the diddler's. hence amp.
13:13 asciilifeform ddos aficionados scan the net for these boxes, and then sell (or sometimes simply post) the resulting chump list
13:13 asciilifeform once posted in the open, the chumps begin to get 'overgrazed'
13:13 asciilifeform and new ones are required.
13:25 kakobrekla yes but incoming is 80
13:25 kakobrekla recording now, unable to access the box for the while
13:26 kakobrekla (this is hitting 4 poor arm cores)
13:28 asciilifeform kakobrekla: grab as many as you can. no hurry.
13:39 kakobrekla 250mb log atm
13:40 kakobrekla seems to be dying off
13:45 Anduck .deeds
13:45 Anduck where's deeds?
13:50 ben_vulpes ask punkman. nominally some progress was to be made this weekend.
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14:18 kakobrekla asciilifeform see link in pm.
14:31 BingoBoingo http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06583.html
14:31 assbot [Bitcoin-development] Recent EvalScript() changes meanCHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY can't be merged ... ( http://bit.ly/12X0IU5 )
14:44 ben_vulpes lordy
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15:18 BingoBoingo !up t4nk
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15:46 BingoBoingo https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/7c/Breedism.jpg
15:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT1ahc )
15:50 jurov http://www.boredpanda.com/1000-colours-color-jigsaw-puzzle-clemens-habicht/ my ass
15:50 assbot 1000-Piece CMYK Color Gamut Jigsaw Puzzle By Designer Clemens Habicht | Bored Panda ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT27pS )
15:53 mats don't worry BingoBoingo, trainers will lower requirements so the chihuahuas can graduate
15:58 mats its already been done for chihuahuas going through Airborne and Air Assault school
15:58 thestringpuller !up BlueMeanie4
15:59 mats but, hey, israel allows chihuahuas to serve in their infantry units!!!
16:00 BingoBoingo lol
16:01 asciilifeform http://wurmhoudt.blogspot.com/2012/08/anti-tank-dogs.html << chihuahua could work just as well in this job.
16:01 assbot Mr Boot's Axis Blog: Anti-tank Dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1qT4by4 )
16:02 BingoBoingo Depends on the size of the payload the tank demands
16:02 mats heart dun mean shit when you've got to march 20mi in a 30 pound iotv, with a 45 pound pack, and 15 pounds of weapon and magazine
16:03 cazalla i am happy to report Australia is safe once again, apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep, hostages ran out and woke him, he started blasting and cops 360 no scoped him
16:04 mats such discipline
16:13 adlai mother should i trust the government
16:26 kakobrekla ok so assbot will now warn you bout ddos only if you have a dot in you host
16:26 kakobrekla if you get the msg, yer phucked
16:29 thestringpuller "We choose to bitcoin company in the bitcoin way" - some derp CEO of some coinderp company. These quotes are getting ridiculous.
16:30 kakobrekla lol ok
16:44 mats verb everything
16:47 BingoBoingo I liked assbot PM though. Made it easy to say !up while typing less
16:48 kakobrekla :(
16:50 BingoBoingo Well, maybe if host doesn't have a dot assbot can greet people with joke?
16:50 jborkl heh, yeah
16:57 BingoBoingo Cool
16:59 BingoBoingo Thank you kakobrekla http://cdn3.volusion.com/74gtv.tjme9/v/vspfiles/photos/Delicious%20Dozen-1.jpg
16:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AA42PX )
17:00 kakobrekla lol
17:00 kakobrekla yw !
17:00 mats would you make it three dots?
17:02 kakobrekla cant you put cloak on top of that?
17:09 jurov argh, every github hipster now wires travis ci to their project
17:12 jurov btw, i was invited to coinmate.io
17:12 jurov later read it as co.inmate, had double take
17:12 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8000 @ 0.0012 = 9.6 BTC
17:13 kakobrekla >Dear clients,
17:13 kakobrekla we sincerely apologize but our site was under a massive Distributed Denial of Service attack. We have reconfigured our servers for full protection by one of the world's best DDOS protection providers, so there will not be any downtime in the future. Our service has now world-class security.
17:13 kakobrekla lolok
17:16 BingoBoingo Is .inmate a tld yet?
17:18 jurov i'd prefer .зэк
17:20 jurov already i got into argument with these coinmates.. since their czech ass is close to eurozone and they offer sepa/czk
17:21 jurov so i asked them about the calculator instead of just saying go to xe.com
17:21 jurov "nooo that would be difficult"
17:23 jurov and "but most of our customers are muricans"
17:24 jurov i was like wtf how they imagine offering usd coupon codes to muricans when everyone else was forced to stop doing it
17:24 jurov co.inmates, indeed
17:24 BingoBoingo What the fuck. "I am near you would like to be customer" "Fuck you, our customers are Americans so we can scam them with impunity"
17:25 jborkl heh, too hard to scrape exchange rate and divide by BTC
17:31 jurov slight correction: they don't open accounts for USians they only said to me "our customers use usd" .. i just misextrapolated
17:31 BingoBoingo Ah
17:38 mats nah a cloak won't take precedence over the irccloud one
17:39 kakobrekla sure it will
17:39 mats freenode staff disagrees
17:40 kakobrekla freenode staff can also dehash hashes
17:41 mats i almost started a fire just now bc some extension cable started melting when i hooked up a space heater
17:41 mats wouldn't have noticed if i hadn't went to poop
17:42 kakobrekla your ass saved your ass
17:42 BingoBoingo mats: You are now qualified to operate BTC mine
17:42 BingoBoingo By virtue of Ass luck
17:45 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ophionlocker-latest-ransomware-which-is-spread-via-ad-networks/
17:45 mats im getting high on plastic fumes
17:49 jurov http://www.zelpage.cz/news_n/zssk_aeer_nove_wc.jpg someone who projected this toilet prolly got some fumes, too
17:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVHBHZ )
17:50 jurov (it's our incumbent railways reaction to competition)
17:53 adlai mpex web-side totally fucked eh
17:54 jurov i remember we talked with mircea about more direct access, he was like "nah, not needed anymore, we have it covered"
17:55 kakobrekla !s s.nsa november
17:55 assbot 3 results for 's.nsa november' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.nsa+november
17:55 jurov remember,remember
17:57 kakobrekla mats it seem they are right this time. dik, get a real client or smth.
18:02 adlai good thing the chart scraper was turned off, it would've captured a cartload of horseshit
18:04 kakobrekla you horse shit can be turned into btc
18:04 kakobrekla your
18:06 thestringpuller asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/5koAv3H.jpg
18:11 mircea_popescu omg all teh hate.
18:11 mircea_popescu anyway, dumbass proxies desynced and started running around topless in the dc.
18:11 jurov https://i.imgur.com/k3odZjv.jpg also
18:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBY94k )
18:12 jurov mircea_popescu: photos or gtfo
18:12 asciilifeform thestringpuller: famous
18:14 adlai to celebrate mpoe coming back up: https://vid.me/pYV4
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18:14 assbot The MPEx Shuffle - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBYQL8 )
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18:14 mircea_popescu "The #4890 pull-req in question had no ACKs at all, and only two untested utACKS, which I find worrying for something that made significant consensus critical code changes." via BingoBoingo
18:14 mircea_popescu basically, shit only goes one way.
18:15 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Courtesy of Peter Todd
18:15 jurov yup for mpex
18:16 mircea_popescu adlai aww i cxan not see it
18:16 mircea_popescu whai can it not be a gif
18:17 adlai can this ffmpex thing make gifs
18:17 mircea_popescu ffmpeg ? yes.
18:17 mircea_popescu "apparently mr i forgot my isis flag guy fell asleep" << ahahaha epic
18:18 mircea_popescu "i was gonna do thinks with my gun... but then i got tired... then i got tired... and fell asleep"
18:18 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw << my humble proposal for a isis.oz anthem
18:18 assbot Afroman - Because I Got High - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wC03lx )
18:19 BingoBoingo I really think it is irresponsible the dude didn't bring some serious stimulants with him. I mean the police get to have shift changes.
18:19 * adlai tries with convert, let's see how bad the RAMrape gets
18:20 mircea_popescu you just do ffmpeg -o fuck.gif or some shit
18:23 mircea_popescu im bashing the kako ass ass comment.
18:30 adlai fuck, gif is 3mb and counting
18:31 adlai why does convert need 5G ram to build a 4M file. somebody didn't read knuth?
18:34 mircea_popescu sounds like http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/
18:34 assbot Ubuntu is a worse piece of shit than MS-DOS ever was. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbmC1Q )
18:34 BingoBoingo adlai: Everyone talks about Knuth, but no one reads Knuth.
18:36 asciilifeform 'no one' lol.
18:41 undata mircea_popescu: there's "ionice" which might help those cases
18:42 undata not that I dispute ubuntu being a steaming pile
18:46 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4210 @ 0.0012 = 5.052 BTC
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19:10 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: noone for values such that of people who claim to have, finding actual readers is still a hard problem. Not an actual 0.
19:24 decimation asciilifeform: that internet-wide scanner is neat
19:29 decimation .зэк would be a great tld
19:30 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYMRjnM6j6w
19:30 assbot Monty Python's - Johann Gambolputty - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/16oUaQg )
19:30 mircea_popescu THAT shouldbe a tld.
19:37 decimation so I guess the democratic police in sydney nearly succeeded in saving all the hostages
19:48 mircea_popescu lol
19:58 cazalla decimation, they saved themselves, nearly all escaped before the cops even went in
19:59 cazalla if the law permitted us to carry weapons, would've ended much sooner as well
20:00 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.21715114 BTC. Current weight: 46,538.
20:03 asciilifeform what threadbare log.
20:04 asciilifeform from the department of nyooz yoo can yooze - kakobrekla provided data from which we learn that ddos man has switched from ssdp to ntp 'amplification' attack (see literature.)
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20:04 cazalla and it's that bullshit law which enables mohammed to hold down a chocolate shop for almost 24 hours.. the gov actually enabled him to do better than he could if the playing field was level
20:04 asciilifeform same principles apply to ntp flooding as earlier ssdp - anyone who wishes can 'walk away with' the 'bots'.
20:05 asciilifeform the machines in question are not 'pwned' in the conventional, permanent sense
20:05 asciilifeform they answer to any fool who can send some spoofed packets.
20:05 mircea_popescu no, just ntp is a braindamaged protocol
20:06 mircea_popescu the world would be so much better if all the gmaxwells of this world were never taught to read.
20:06 asciilifeform all of the 'amplification' tricks rely on the ability to send (and see them routed) packets with spoofed origin ip.
20:06 asciilifeform this in turn is fundamental braindamage baked into a good chunk of the net.
20:08 asciilifeform great many places have no 'ingress filtering'
20:08 mircea_popescu there's nothing wrong with declaring your ip
20:08 asciilifeform this is something else
20:08 mircea_popescu there IS something wrong to treating packets like fucking popcorn.
20:08 asciilifeform packets claiming to be from inside your net should not be able to enter it from outside.
20:09 mircea_popescu sure.
20:09 asciilifeform http://www.bcp38.info/index.php/Main_Page << summary
20:09 assbot BCP38 ... ( http://bit.ly/1uQo3y9 )
20:09 mircea_popescu not trivial to know where a packet enters tho. they do have to traverse it anyway
20:09 asciilifeform most 'human' networks have a single gateway.
20:10 mircea_popescu " IP addresses that were not assigned to the device which is sending them."
20:10 mircea_popescu pshhh.
20:10 mircea_popescu this is not the solution.
20:10 mircea_popescu the solution is to not send 500 packets in response to one
20:10 asciilifeform weirdos like us, who might use gnarly multihomed pipes, not counted
20:10 mircea_popescu and to not send packets to X that were asked for by Y.
20:10 asciilifeform that last bit is precisely what i was speaking of.
20:11 asciilifeform spoofing allows y to impersonate x.
20:11 asciilifeform hence x gets the reply.
20:11 asciilifeform this is not high science. ip spoofing and ddos vectors enabled by it are an age-old plague.
20:13 mircea_popescu meanwhile TO THIS DAY wordpress will go check 1.1.1.1 because 2.2.2.2 said so.
20:14 mircea_popescu and in connectionless environments such as ntp or dns even, it would cost nothing to require 2 tits for every tat.
20:14 mircea_popescu you want the time ? ask twice. the server answers each request pair once, in the order of descending delta intervals.
20:14 asciilifeform there are considerably more misconfigured consumer routers, tv boxes, electrical dildoes, etc. than 'wordpress' installs.
20:15 asciilifeform (the latter tends to sit on fatter pipe, however. so i've no idea which one wins in practice.)
20:15 asciilifeform ^ for typical crap artist's collection
20:15 mircea_popescu im annoyed by the principle of the thing.
20:16 mircea_popescu mullenweg and the core of imbeciles "working" at wordpress go around claiming they program computers
20:16 mircea_popescu meanwhile they are too stupid o tie their own shoes.
20:16 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948319
20:16 assbot Logged on 08-12-2014 17:09:27; asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs
20:16 mircea_popescu "lets make computers fun" ; "you know, for kids" and "anyone can do this". fuck that.
20:17 asciilifeform rather, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948287
20:17 assbot Logged on 08-12-2014 16:32:51; asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.
20:17 ben_vulpes once upon a time, computers were such that children could actually reason about them.
20:17 mircea_popescu pre apple.
20:17 asciilifeform pre-i386.
20:18 mircea_popescu anyway, the entire world made by derps unaware of game theory needs to be redone.
20:18 mircea_popescu it's like a beautifully drawn mmorpg made by blizzard. you KNOW the economy will be broken to all shit.
20:18 asciilifeform who? - made what? - while unaware of game theory?
20:18 mircea_popescu every anything used in an amplification attack meets the criteria.
20:19 mircea_popescu it was made by idiots who do not understand what trade even is.
20:19 * asciilifeform distinctly recalls that half the u.s. research establishment at one point furiously masturbated to game theorey
20:19 asciilifeform *theory
20:19 mircea_popescu yah well
20:20 BingoBoingo Plenty of derps masterbate to the idea of tits without experiencing or understanding them
20:20 asciilifeform the problem with 'amplification attack' isn't that i can send b bytes and get K*b back. failing this - tremendous waste! problem in actuality is spoofed packets getting routed, which at this point is always and without exception the result of idiot network designers and admins
20:20 mircea_popescu no waste whatsoever.
20:21 mircea_popescu it's not waste, it's usage.
20:21 mircea_popescu you always get less than what you put in. this is the chief principle that makes the world endure
20:21 asciilifeform you're talking about, unless i misunderstand, 'pushing' one bit for each 'pulled' ?
20:21 mircea_popescu in spite of endless generations of imbeciles running wild all over it.
20:21 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/cftc-requests-public-comment-ledgerx/
20:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform more than one.
20:21 asciilifeform who wishes to pay for this? mircea_popescu ?
20:22 mircea_popescu you want n packets, you send at least n+1. you want n bits, you send at least n+1.
20:22 mircea_popescu it's not a matter of who wishes anything.
20:22 asciilifeform remember that ddos does not necessarily require 'amplification'
20:22 mircea_popescu it's how everything must be.
20:22 asciilifeform perfectly feasible simply using bots
20:22 asciilifeform sending entirely ordinary packets
20:22 asciilifeform directly to victim
20:22 mircea_popescu as long as friction is baked in, the ddos problem fundamentally doesn't exist.
20:22 mircea_popescu exactly for the reason you mention : who can afford or wants to give anyone free traffic ?
20:23 asciilifeform ddos still exists if network treats random derp in random place equally with the folks whose traffic one actually wants.
20:23 mircea_popescu somehow ddos doesn't happen irl. wonder why ?
20:23 mircea_popescu it's not because of national id cards.
20:23 asciilifeform because in real life, taking a shit in someone's kitchen requires physically entering.
20:24 mircea_popescu right, which goes through thermodynamic dissipation aka friction.
20:24 asciilifeform but suppose you could silently teleport it.
20:24 mircea_popescu that is what im saying. to get a packet there, you need more than one
20:24 mircea_popescu no more bs "teleport bits" internet
20:24 asciilifeform bots still work as before
20:25 mircea_popescu for as long as your bank accoutn lasts, sure.
20:25 asciilifeform only the lowliest sp4mz0r actually pays for bots.
20:25 mircea_popescu now.
20:25 mircea_popescu because teleport bits exists, putting undue down pressure on all prices.
20:25 mircea_popescu it's a situation exactly identical to "pay for software" and software market in general.
20:25 mircea_popescu yes, i'm aware, reddit expects everything for free.
20:26 mircea_popescu the reason is not economical, nor sensible.
20:26 mircea_popescu they only get away with it because a flaw in the design.
20:26 asciilifeform i can think of a few events that would apply the necessary upward pressure on bandwidth cost.
20:26 mircea_popescu it shouldn't be an event
20:26 asciilifeform say, cataclysmic war.
20:26 mircea_popescu that is the definition of design : rules independent of events.
20:27 mircea_popescu in short, the more i think about it the more im inclined to rather see the telcos win the internet war, adn google lose it
20:27 asciilifeform let's rephrase a little. the internet as presently exists, is, in practice, mainly a machine for 1) connecting derps to 'reddit' and 'arsebook' 2) routing ddos packets to trilema, qntra...
20:27 asciilifeform if want some other network - have to produce it.
20:28 mircea_popescu if cardano wasn't so woefully delayed exploring this in practice'd be almost tempting.
20:28 mircea_popescu make a whole new web, on a whole new port, based on pgp signs
20:28 asciilifeform which practice ?
20:29 mircea_popescu turn off all other traffic, have servers in their own, better world.
20:30 asciilifeform i may have spoken of this once. i've a very rough draft of precisely this, using an interesting bit of mathematics called 'fountain code'
20:30 asciilifeform but not ready for battlefield. and no time now.
20:30 mircea_popescu it'd be a better tor and everything else by default.
20:30 asciilifeform rather opposite goal to 'tor.'
20:30 asciilifeform if i understand mircea_popescu correctly
20:30 mircea_popescu but actually delivering its claimed fruits.
20:31 mircea_popescu and absolutely NEVER allow any derps on it. stick to the original plan with the original internet, no fucking undergrads.
20:31 mircea_popescu no fucking aol.
20:31 asciilifeform whole thing was based (in my head) on a hypothesis that folks misidentify the reason for the glory of old usenet
20:31 mircea_popescu the glory of the usenet is exactly the glory of b-a.
20:31 asciilifeform folks typically say 'it was because electric identities were attached to people'
20:31 mircea_popescu once you get the proper voice model implemented, forgeddaboutit
20:32 BingoBoingo http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1412060-LI-KFREEBSD879 << Look the Derps still benchmark OS software but have lost the ability to benchmark with... Same hardware!
20:32 assbot Debian 8.0 Jessie - KFreeBSD Vs. GNU Linux Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1qTTPy1 )
20:32 asciilifeform but really it was because posts were attached to identities (as a matter of convention, rather than 'hard' protocol)
20:32 asciilifeform i.e. - wot.
20:32 mircea_popescu quite.
20:32 mircea_popescu and a shitty version, beyond primitive, yet it still worked.
20:32 mircea_popescu the extreme power of this idea is evidenced by how effectual it is even when poorly implemented.
20:32 mircea_popescu exactly like gunpowder is impressive even without a fine 1850 hovitzer
20:33 asciilifeform aha.
20:33 asciilifeform someone probably wonders 'wtf, why fountain code'. answer: getting rid of tcp.
20:33 asciilifeform so communication can be maximally stateless
20:34 mircea_popescu aside of which, friday some derp was going on about what "his life is dedicated to" and in the crowd hysteria i told em my life is dedicated to excluding people.
20:34 asciilifeform l0l!!
20:34 mircea_popescu totally ruined the moment for 'em. idiots.
20:34 mircea_popescu there is however no higher purpose.
20:38 asciilifeform here's a very rough description of above experiment. to start a transmission a --> b, 'a' sends a hello (udp) packet, which consists of an ephemeral rsa key, hash and length of (coming) payload, and all of the preceding signed with his wot key. this fits handily below the traditional 576 byte mtu.
20:39 mircea_popescu why do you want to preserve the fucking magic numbers
20:40 asciilifeform what follows is the payload, divided into K gibblets, each below udp mtu in size, each signed with ephemeral key. the gibblets are coded using fountain code (e.g. 'raptor') and you need N of K - in any order - to reassemble.
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20:40 asciilifeform fucking magic numbers << mircea_popescu wants to buy everyone on the planet a new nic and lay own oceanic fibers, launch own satellites, etc. ? sure, why not.
20:41 * mircea_popescu grumbles.
20:41 asciilifeform but if working with existing planet, have to swallow some very basic dirt like udp.
20:42 mircea_popescu wqasn't the actuyal max 64kb anyway ?
20:43 asciilifeform max. 576 is max that won't fragment.
20:43 asciilifeform (consult literature)
20:44 mircea_popescu o that
20:44 mircea_popescu all this shit is starting to come back to me
20:44 * mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies
20:44 asciilifeform at any rate, tiny packets plus fountain code plus each one is signed, will work great with transmission media other than internet (say, shortwave)
20:44 asciilifeform and any other slow, noisy channel.
20:45 decimation absolutely
20:45 decimation asciilifeform: did you see that david mackay book I recommended? He has a chapter on fountain codes
20:46 asciilifeform aha.
20:46 asciilifeform not a bad intro.
20:47 BingoBoingo * mircea_popescu shudders, thinks of bunnies << This is how Qntra's taking over reddit.
20:47 decimation he also wrote a book on renewable resources from Herr McCarthy's point of view
20:47 decimation "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense"
20:48 decimation re: ntp amplification << the thing is, ntp tends to run on actual servers people might care about, so they might respond to notices
20:50 mircea_popescu decimation still.
20:50 asciilifeform decimation: nope. iirc, it mostly uses misconfigured tv boxes
20:51 asciilifeform set to serve up ntp for no particular reason.
20:51 decimation sigh
20:51 asciilifeform d3m0cr4cy!
20:51 asciilifeform all packets were created equal...
20:51 decimation I've actually spent some time reading the ntp source code
20:51 decimation it's a mess
20:52 decimation I managed to get that pci card with the onboard ocxo working with a slightly custom ntp driver
20:54 asciilifeform to finish the earlier thread: machine on the other end of the link (destination) decides whether to keep packet and attempt payload reassembly based on simple criteria: 1) is it a hello from a wot-blessed (from his pov) key 2) is it signed by an ephemeral key from one such 'hello' received recently.
20:54 asciilifeform anything else gets insta-dropped.
20:55 asciilifeform i've deliberately described only a point-to-point link. routing with multiple hops is left as an exercise for the reader!
20:55 thestringpuller that seems like a huge packet though ~_~
20:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the important part isn't even trhere, the important part is that the machine WONT ROUTE
20:55 mircea_popescu if it doesn't like the sig
20:55 asciilifeform nope. every single one below udp mtu.
20:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did just say this.
20:55 mircea_popescu right.
20:56 thestringpuller asciilifeform: how many more bytes would GPG sig add to packet? (i assume binary signatures?)
20:56 mircea_popescu and i'd kinda like to see this implemented right by sane people this decader
20:56 mircea_popescu because the telcos WILL do a mickey mouse or should i say microsoft version of it
20:57 decimation asciilifeform: why bother with the emphemeral key? wouldn't a signed blob (however you do the error coding) be good enough?
20:58 asciilifeform decimation is a winner
20:58 asciilifeform the ephemeral key is absolutely necessary.
20:58 asciilifeform can anyone tell me why?
20:58 asciilifeform i left it as an exercise.
20:58 decimation well, I guess if you didn't have it, you would have to store all of the irrelvant derpage until you could check it
20:59 asciilifeform nope
21:00 asciilifeform i bet mircea_popescu can tell us why ephemeral key is a must
21:00 mircea_popescu replay attacks for one thing come to mind
21:01 asciilifeform nah, that's what the nonce (see, i left out details i consider profanely obvious) is for
21:01 mircea_popescu isn't fixed sig + nonce equivalent to ephemereal sig ?
21:02 asciilifeform rot13: boivbhfyl, bayl rcurzreny xrlf znl fvta cnlybnqf orpnhfr jbg xrl yvirf va ryrpgevpnyyl vfbyngrq qrivpr naq vf abg npprffvoyr gb lbhe pbzchgre jvgubhg znahny gevttre chyy!
21:02 asciilifeform the riddle is not difficult.
21:03 mircea_popescu but for that you need the cardano.
21:03 decimation oh duh
21:03 asciilifeform right-o.
21:04 asciilifeform just like to take analysis you gotta pass arithmetic.
21:04 decimation well, it need not be a per-session ephemeral key in that case
21:04 asciilifeform ruthlessly cumulative game.
21:04 asciilifeform decimation: i deliberately oversimplified things here.
21:04 asciilifeform perhaps will live to regret.
21:04 asciilifeform wanted to be sure to hammer in the point.
21:04 asciilifeform a different kind of net is possible.
21:05 asciilifeform (to pervert the liberast slogan 'a different world is possible')
21:05 decimation absolutely. mr. yarvin linked to a vint cerf lecture where herr cerf was talking about global persistant namespaces
21:06 asciilifeform all thieves. ted nelson wrote about it in no uncertain language, in the late '60s.
21:06 decimation interesting
21:06 decimation bitcoin is a kind of global namespace
21:07 mircea_popescu all thieves!~
21:07 asciilifeform or, to be more charitable, f-students
21:07 decimation wasn't kakobrekla explaining about the saturated nature of the torrent 'clouds'?
21:08 asciilifeform the beauty of a wot-enabled net is that you no longer need to think about perverse edge cases quite so much.
21:08 asciilifeform because folks who eagerly push the limits of the permissible - will find themselves dealt out of the game.
21:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform just like it works here.
21:09 asciilifeform aha.
21:10 asciilifeform who was it who compared wot to semiconductor? mircea_popescu ?
21:10 decimation actually vint has much to answer for, because of tcp. TCP was a step backwards in networking
21:10 asciilifeform ordinary net - conductor. wotnet - semiconductor.
21:10 mircea_popescu if i didn't i'll take it anyway.
21:11 asciilifeform very closely analogous, actually.
21:12 decimation most of the modems that are now in use on shortwave are designed to turn the natural broadcast medium into a point-to-point link
21:12 decimation which is a fantastic waste if you think about it
21:14 mircea_popescu well...
21:14 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What was your earlier maybe project that got supplanted, the resistor?
21:14 mircea_popescu if you think about it sculpture is also fantastic waste of marble
21:15 mircea_popescu kinda how civilisation works. life too.
21:15 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ???
21:15 asciilifeform resistor?
21:15 mircea_popescu kyristor ?
21:15 asciilifeform ^
21:15 BingoBoingo tHAT ONE
21:15 BingoBoingo tHANKS
21:15 decimation hehe
21:16 BingoBoingo Cuts ceramic tiles.
21:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo is a backwards endian
21:17 mircea_popescu he remembers the end ofwords
21:17 BingoBoingo That is very true.
21:17 BingoBoingo Dat ass
21:19 BingoBoingo !up gesella
21:20 mircea_popescu !up gernika
21:22 BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/544592688582889472
21:22 assbot wow, that leaked James Bond script looks terrible http://t.co/OuIZAs25A1
21:25 asciilifeform the important takeaway from the earlier thread is that 'democracy is mistake, hierarchy is useful concept' is a testable hypothesis with immediate engineering applications.
21:25 asciilifeform mr mold realized this, but for reasons of his own he ended up crapping out a centrally-controlled abortion
21:26 asciilifeform sorta like what a more clever usg would have offered.
21:27 mircea_popescu quite, asciilifeform .
21:28 asciilifeform i've no idea why he did it. for all i know, 'they' threatened to feed his children to shoggoths if he refrained.
21:28 mircea_popescu equalitarianism is a pipe dream, whether it calls itself democracy, socialism or anything else. hierarchy is both good and indispensable. this is factually correct, which means it's practically falsifiable and scientifically approacheable.
21:29 asciilifeform point here was that it has immediate engineering applications. like trigonometry.
21:29 mircea_popescu quite.
21:30 asciilifeform 16th c. trigonometers did not have to beg folks to agree. they were fought over by the chiefs of their time, because artillery.
21:30 mircea_popescu quite :)
21:30 * mircea_popescu asks nubbins to make him a sign
21:32 BingoBoingo At the time Artillery was cooler than fighter Jets ever were, or John McCain's shit eating grin would be on signs as far south as Rio
21:36 BingoBoingo http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/15/social-justice-bandits-vandalize-apartme?n_play=548f6eb2e4b0697d47400883
21:37 assbot Vandalized: Residence of U-M Student Who Dared to Mock Trigger Warnings - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afms8N )
21:38 mircea_popescu heh.
21:42 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5338 @ 0.0012 = 6.4056 BTC
21:44 BingoBoingo http://www.opensxce.org/
21:44 assbot OpenSXCE 201**4**.05 LiveDVD for Intel/AMD IA32 and AMD64 plus for Sun/Oracle SPARC (from 1995' UltraSPARC_I till 2011' sun4v UltraSPARC T3) ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfnEZS )
21:45 mod6 root@ip-172-31-10-219:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# ./bitcoind -rpccommand getblockcount
21:45 mod6 334499
21:45 mod6 oops
21:47 mircea_popescu ddos ?
21:50 PeterL speaking of Universities in Michigan, http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/george_will_speech_set_to_go_a.html
21:50 assbot George Will speech set to go ahead despite protests to Michigan State trustees | MLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfoHci )
21:51 PeterL At my alma mater, the school president tells students to grow up, lets the guy speak anyway
21:51 BingoBoingo Good for them
21:52 mircea_popescu who is this will fellow ?
21:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Kind of "conservative" writer. Also writes about baseball.
21:53 mircea_popescu That was the end of the story—until last week, when The College Fix reported that Mahmood's off-campus apartment was vandalized. The four criminals wore hoods and baggy clothing to disguise themselves; less brilliantly, they changed in full view of the apartment complex's security camera. They appear to be women of unclear ages. The video footage is available here.
21:53 mircea_popescu lulzy.
21:53 BingoBoingo Does not look like http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/0/4/350004_v1.jpg
21:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfpkTj )
21:53 mircea_popescu i could have told you itwas women
21:54 mircea_popescu who the fuck else imagines "nobody likes you" is a valid attack lmao
21:55 BingoBoingo Well, you have to admire the stunningly poor opsec.
21:55 PeterL mircea_popescu: apparently he said something about rape which people did not like
21:55 mircea_popescu "Remember: anything a prog/leftist/SJW accuses others of doing, they always are guilty of themselves. Always. And that's why they can't see the contradiction here. Because the projection is a defense mechanism. They can't see the contradiction without realizing some very nasty truths about themselves."
21:55 mircea_popescu comments section's not bad for once.
21:56 PeterL Reason does have some good commentors, they would fit in well here
21:56 ben_vulpes may as well invite The Well, PeterL
21:56 ben_vulpes they have their hole, and it's the best, goddamit
21:56 mircea_popescu what's that ?
21:57 ben_vulpes the well?
21:57 ben_vulpes some earlyish webby forum thing
21:57 mircea_popescu you know what i'd really go for ? happy thursdays or something, wherein participating bars/coffee shops all over the world give free drinks to people in the b-a wot.
21:57 PeterL I think I might have been linked to bitcoin by Reason, back in 2011
21:57 mircea_popescu they can have wireless and we can all be like little fonzies.
21:57 ben_vulpes http://www.well.com/
21:58 assbot The WELL - the birthplace of the online community movement. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afq5LX )
21:58 mircea_popescu does anyone want to actually administer this project ?
22:03 decimation the women donning disguises in front of the security camera is hilarious
22:04 mircea_popescu ;;google "but i used the juice"
22:04 gribble The burglar with the lemon juice disguise « Mind Hacks: <http://mindhacks.com/2010/02/11/the-burglar-with-the-lemon-juice-disguise/>; Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>; DOT Uses Beet Juice to Battle Icy Roads | NBC 10 Philadelphia: <http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/traffic/transit/Beet-Juice- (1 more message)
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22:08 mircea_popescu decimation basically, in the 90s the typical aimless, 30something undergrad was perfectly typified by tom green in roadtrip
22:08 mircea_popescu 20 years later, it's a very fat, but in denial about it, very socially inept, but also in denial about it, 30something yo female.
22:09 mircea_popescu pity there's no talented comedienne to mock the type.
22:09 decimation yeah I buy that
22:09 decimation most 'life-long students' I have met were women
22:09 asciilifeform 30something undergrad << lol
22:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Concerning number of those
22:10 decimation did we link to the greenpeace idiots in peru?
22:10 asciilifeform (they exist! everyone remembers the 19th c. 'eternal students', who were bequeathed a certain income to live on -while students- by rich family, and so stretched out study for decades - today, it's loan deferment.)
22:10 thestringpuller decimation: I thought greenpeace was norwegian.
22:10 decimation http://www.wsj.com/articles/peru-says-greenpeace-permanently-damaged-nazca-lines-1418681478
22:10 assbot Peru Says Greenpeace Permanently Damaged Nazca Lines - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afs5Us )
22:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly.
22:11 decimation it's pretty much the same deal as your idiot-'academic'-woman stereotype
22:11 decimation they went to put a sign on the ground near ancient drawings in a desert, to protest the desecration of climate change, and they descrated the lines in the process
22:11 decimation peru is going to throw the idiots in peruvian jail
22:11 mircea_popescu they tried and therefore no one should criticize them.
22:12 decimation that was pretty much their original 'apology' and peru said 'fuck you'
22:12 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: In my first stint as a Teaching Assistant I had Late 40's grad students. Retired military or house wives getting almost always already employed by the university looking for their second or third career
22:12 asciilifeform free publicity.
22:13 asciilifeform next they'll smash something notable on purpose.
22:13 asciilifeform herostratus.
22:14 asciilifeform employed by the university << where i live, it gets you (above a certain rank) free tuition. so plenty of takers. but this is a different animal from earlier picture.
22:14 mircea_popescu asciilifeform knows his greeks!
22:14 mircea_popescu !s herostratus
22:14 assbot 1 results for 'herostratus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=herostratus
22:14 asciilifeform who doesn't know old herostratus.
22:15 decimation they posted a video of themselves performing the act on youtube, you can clearly see them standing inches from the lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_yk6WlpFyo
22:15 assbot protesta de Greenpeace daña Líneas de Nazca - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfsOoN )
22:15 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> next they'll smash something notable on purpose. << Locally "preservation Engineers" have done exactly this with "Monks Mound" Thing is just a pile of dirt long lived with stable shape. Engineers come in and in their interventions invent "slumping" A scourge the caused and insist only they can solve for the grant dollars.
22:16 decimation basically the lines are drawn in the black crusted desert, with white sand underneath
22:16 decimation they have been there more-or-less unmolested for 1000 years
22:18 BingoBoingo Local dirt pile in question endangered by "preservation" http://cahokiamounds.org/explore/archaeology/past-research-projects/monks-mound/slump/
22:18 assbot Cahokia Mounds| Explore | Past Research Projects | Monk's Mound Projects | Slump Repair ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aftp9V )
22:18 asciilifeform nothing really new here. recall the millenia of idiots who separated everything that 'was poorly glued down' from the pyramids, etc.
22:19 asciilifeform if peru wants to preserve the line drawings, easy pill:
22:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform notably, napoleon
22:19 asciilifeform drop mines.
22:19 decimation asciilifeform: but some of them might have been making an idiotic political statement!
22:19 decimation asciilifeform: or revive east germany's experiments with automated gunfire
22:19 asciilifeform i recommend ПФМ-1.
22:19 asciilifeform aka butterfly.
22:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Pyramid stone at least had value in being convenient cut rock. This is literally a dirt pile only being molest because of grants by engineers that can't arithmatic.
22:20 mats $proxies
22:20 empyex mats: Proxies: mpex.bz mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.ws mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
22:20 empyex mats: MPEx-Status: mpex.biz (112 milliseconds), mpex.ws (119 milliseconds), mpex.co (123 milliseconds), mpex.bz (132 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (462 milliseconds)
22:21 empyex mats: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: √
22:21 mats that's a god damn lie
22:21 asciilifeform unlike the ancient egyptians, modern man does not have to content himself with curses to keep pests out of monuments
22:21 asciilifeform many exquisite tools to choose from.
22:22 decimation asciilifeform: the SM-70 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_German_border#mediaviewer/File:Sm-70_schlagsdorf.jpg
22:22 assbot Fortifications of the inner German border - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AftR88 )
22:22 asciilifeform decimation: that thing was more or less a shotgun
22:22 asciilifeform no concealment at all
22:22 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "changing" << scam! i saw no nudity.
22:22 asciilifeform useless for this purpose.
22:23 asciilifeform you want them everywhere, and sans metal
22:23 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do not complain about things you should be thankful for.
22:23 BingoBoingo http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-needs-heightened-vigilance-with-mumps/ << Security incantations without reinforcement
22:23 assbot NHL needs heightened vigilance with mumps - Sportsnet.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1Afu3UN )
22:23 ben_vulpes pahaha
22:23 asciilifeform if budget allows, use 'smart' mines that can be temporarily switched off by those having private key
22:23 ben_vulpes i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera.
22:23 ben_vulpes "look ma - no dom!"
22:24 decimation asciilifeform: this is what I mean by 'border fence' with mexico
22:24 decimation I think mr. mold made this point - once you have laid the minefield, it's an easy step to the laser-turrets
22:24 asciilifeform except why.
22:24 asciilifeform from world's cheapest, most resilient weapon, to most ludicrously expensive and finicky
22:24 asciilifeform only an american would suggest it.
22:24 decimation hehe yeah good point
22:25 decimation except minefields don't work well on rocky ledges
22:25 mircea_popescu actually alf has a point. the mine is merely the successor of the caltrop
22:25 asciilifeform disguise as rock in question.
22:25 mircea_popescu definitely the oldest weapon, definitely the most cost effective.
22:25 asciilifeform instead of digging in
22:25 asciilifeform a plastic mine can easily wait for its 'customer' for a century.
22:26 mircea_popescu but did princess diana die in vain ?!
22:26 mircea_popescu (while speeding drunk)
22:26 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: If we were doing turrets, why laser and not rail?
22:26 decimation BingoBoingo: let's not be silly
22:26 asciilifeform if turrets, works differently
22:27 asciilifeform you need exactly one
22:27 asciilifeform (far away from the field)
22:27 asciilifeform on the field - sensors.
22:27 asciilifeform basically auto-called artillery strike.
22:27 PeterL motion triggered nuke?
22:27 mats http://www.cbr.ru/eng/press/pr.aspx?file=16122014_010920eng_dkp2014-12-16T01_04_09.htm
22:27 assbot On Bank of Russia key rate and other measures ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfuO0c )
22:27 BingoBoingo decimation: I'm just saying if we're shooting... projectiles with immediate injury. Dun want to get owned by a brave idiot wearing tin foil
22:27 asciilifeform turrets kept in some remote pisshole, individually, is an idiot nonstarter
22:28 asciilifeform (go leave, e.g., rifle, outdoors for a decade. then fire.)
22:28 mircea_popescu o look at that, ruble crossed 60
22:28 mats Chinese did it just fine. muskets though.
22:28 BingoBoingo ;;ticker -currency RUB
22:28 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
22:29 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --currency all
22:29 gribble Bitstamp BTCALL ticker | Best bid: 38418.016095, Best ask: 38454.067135, Bid-ask spread: 36.05104, Last trade: 38454.067135, 24 hour volume: 9730.55800460, 24 hour low: 38340.28104, 24 hour high: 39992.995905, 24 hour vwap: 39354.7220805
22:30 decimation yeah 'auto-artillery' would be most cost effective
22:30 decimation hell, one could combine mines and artillery with cluster bombs
22:30 ben_vulpes self-steering for max efficacy
22:31 decimation actually that would be particularly devious - a shell that one could hear being dropped, which would scatter mines everywhere - arming after a few seconds of settling
22:34 mats ;;ticker --currency RUB
22:34 gribble Bitstamp BTCRUB ticker | Best bid: 22345.9184, Best ask: 22380.637375, Bid-ask spread: 34.71897, Last trade: 22379.9823, 24 hour volume: 9755.85037265, 24 hour low: 22293.5124, 24 hour high: 23254.507425, 24 hour vwap: 22881.8278929
22:36 BingoBoingo And Bitcoin climbs, the dollars simply does not yet know!
22:36 decimation this reminds me of B grade scifi movie - Screamers - based on a phillip k dick story
22:42 mats ;;calc [ticker --currency RUB --last]/[ticker --currency USD --last]
22:42 gribble 65.5295
22:42 decimation mats: that is neat, I didn't know gribble could do that
22:43 undata you know technically one can climb in either direction
22:43 undata sideways even
22:43 mats nobody in b-a did, i looked in logs before attempting
22:43 mats ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency RUB --last]
22:44 gribble 0.0152617000008
22:44 decimation ;;calc [ticker --currency USD --last]/[ticker --currency EUR --last]
22:44 gribble 1.24517494708
22:45 decimation so many weird linkages with oil, stocks, etc
22:45 mats gribble is a cool dude
22:46 mats http://russkiymir.ru/en/news/158593/
22:46 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAvzSe )
22:46 mats >Russia will write off $865 million of Uzbekistan’s debt leaving a balance of $25 million to repay to Moscow
22:47 cazalla mats, he doesn't afraid of anyone eh
22:47 mats #econometrics, actually interesting when moriarty isn't around
22:48 mircea_popescu is that the scammer guy that kept spamming here ?
22:48 decimation he was spamming here for awhile
22:48 ben_vulpes the same
22:49 mats http://ru-facts.com/news/view/42072.html
22:49 assbot 10 countries, which Russia has written off most debts | Russian news and facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAwcLv )
22:49 decimation what was his scam? I recall he claimed that he had 'made it big' on early bitcoin
22:49 BingoBoingo Lemme dig up the latest buttcointalk drama on the moriarity scammer
22:50 mats his followers claim he is not the same as the bitcointalk scammer
22:50 BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=892946.0
22:50 assbot MoriartyBitcoin is also Envrin and BlackLilac Financial ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAwodJ )
22:50 mircea_popescu decimation was linked here few days ago, some "mixer" thing stole however many btcs
22:50 BingoBoingo mats: And Bill Cosby claimed he was a clean cut saint who wasn't in it for the pussy.
22:51 mats the guy talks a lot without much substance and im not inclined to believe his claims at any rate
22:51 BingoBoingo mats: Is it one or two #'s
22:51 mats 2
22:52 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo dude i so don't believe the recent cosby dirt...
22:53 mats hes so fatherly n could never be a predator?
22:53 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There were parts where maybe I believe, but yeah the string of inconsistent broke people kinda kills the thing as a movement.
22:56 decimation this ledgerX thing is amusing. bezzle's gotta bezzle
23:00 BingoBoingo mats: So apparently I am banned from that channel
23:00 mats i learned today naive cold boot attacks are actually pretty unlikely to work, due to modern memory controllers causing a lot of data to appear to be garbage
23:00 BingoBoingo decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals
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23:01 mats BingoBoingo: bummer. its been p quiet, those links were the most interesting things in two days
23:01 decimation BingoBoingo: yeah how the hell are they going to settle their 'physical' bitcoin swaps?
23:01 BingoBoingo mats: Well I called him a spammer when he wouldn't stop PM spamming.
23:13 ben_vulpes all clients pacified
23:13 ben_vulpes praise satoshi's spirit
23:14 BingoBoingo decimation: In USD
23:14 BingoBoingo Basically they want to run a USD to USD dice game
23:18 decimation likbez!
23:22 asciilifeform mats: nobody reads using standard pc.
23:22 asciilifeform mats: dedicated gadget is sold for the purpose. even comes with a bottle of (spray) freon.
23:23 BingoBoingo This ^ Kit is cheaper than a typical 'netbook'
23:25 mircea_popescu mats im not so convinced of that theory.
23:27 mircea_popescu nm apparently im too late lol
23:32 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
23:34 ben_vulpes help
23:34 ben_vulpes i'm at a loss where to go with provisioning, deployments and cluster mutatino
23:34 ben_vulpes mutation*
23:34 asciilifeform wat
23:35 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i run (small) clusters for clients.
23:35 asciilifeform aha
23:35 asciilifeform but now, at a loss as to how ?
23:35 asciilifeform amnesia ?
23:35 decimation ben_vulpes: do you use ec2 vm's?
23:35 mircea_popescu weren't you all into puppet/docker/we ?
23:35 ben_vulpes i wrote a thing that handles turning standard piles of software into running software on ec2 with docker for environment isolation
23:36 ben_vulpes but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash.
23:36 mircea_popescu move on to perl ?
23:36 mircea_popescu :D
23:36 ben_vulpes it's *great* at immutable infrastructure. you know - "don't mutate, just stand up a new cluster"
23:36 ben_vulpes you and mod6 with the perl
23:37 ben_vulpes python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf)
23:38 ben_vulpes bash is inadequately expressive/debuggable
23:38 decimation nah, python3 is dead, python2 is what everyone uses
23:39 ben_vulpes decimation: concurrency semantics in py* are finger-crushingly bad.
23:39 asciilifeform afaik everyone able to stomach perl is already using it. and the users know who each other are. kinda like coprophagiacs.
23:40 decimation you mean the threading module?
23:40 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom where a language having a 'global interpreter lock' gets off calling itself 'concurrent'
23:40 decimation yeah that's a tricky one
23:41 ben_vulpes i don't really care about languages
23:41 ben_vulpes i've only been doing this for like 3 years now and i've already learned that languages are a red herring.
23:42 ben_vulpes the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation.
23:42 decimation isn't that kinda what puppet is?
23:42 mircea_popescu !up cryptonaut420
23:44 ben_vulpes clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd.
23:44 mircea_popescu clearly asm and fortran are left.
23:44 decimation or forth!
23:45 ben_vulpes yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing
23:45 decimation spin your own pci express card
23:47 ben_vulpes i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing
23:47 BingoBoingo !up toddf
23:48 decimation then you are in google's hands
23:49 ben_vulpes !up Vexual
23:50 ben_vulpes decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"?
23:51 decimation yeah I think they were mostly a python shop
23:51 decimation I think van Rossum works there
23:52 ben_vulpes yeah van Rossum was on payroll.
23:53 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It was in part.
23:53 BingoBoingo Python also benefitted from Math departments that thought "R" was bad branding for a language
23:54 ben_vulpes numpy etc
23:54 ben_vulpes engineering departments use matlab
23:54 ben_vulpes *clearly* superior
23:54 ben_vulpes /sarcasm
23:55 mircea_popescu lol
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