#trilema | 2017-08-07

which is why they keep trying to "empire" instead. except empire dun work just because you need it to.

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http://oglaf.com/accessories/

very vaguely related : one of the few romanians worth the mention, mocking romanian ows translation : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXT0H-Kzsw

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oglafbot

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anyway. the tattoo situation (me asking girly "why haven't you yet figured out a tattoo that works to put on yourself!!!") is very much like me asking alf "where is the proper computer!!!". the complexities involved in making sense of the immense jumble that modern world puts at disposal are exponential on the base, and the base grew exponential on time. we'll, likely, never catch up. yes ppls 5k years ago could lick every in

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dividual lego piece and make the "tallest pyramid" with the half dozen items available to them. there's uncounted items available today, what fucking X-property-deductively-proven item.

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what you need is a glass bead tattoo, a hypothetical multidisciplinary meditative practice that culminates in a tattoo that fully encompasses the complexity of modernity and that the practitioner can apply to himself before finally retiring from the public sphere

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i don't see why they'd retire.

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(rather : the proposition that they thereby must ascend to nirvana / retire / disappear in a loud pop and the laws of the universe becoming more complex is very much a symptom of teh problem!)

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phf: i inevitably think of the automummificators, reading this

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the jap xtian thing ?

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Nah, need living gecko skin skinwrap. Maintain just enough life in each skin for it to function as a pixel

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i ran out of the thought half way through and hoped you wouldn't notice, but it's not even consistent with the narrative that i was ripping from. in the original after they make the tattoo they are now ready for the highest office, etc.

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BingoBoingo they're fabulous, the little shits. you know they actually change color, BUT NOT in the "oh, i have an ipad, i get how this works" thing ? they're not gonna display fucking sluts on their backs. but it CLEARLY works for the purpose (camouflage) shockingly well.

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phf no, they are adults.

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this is what it is : you get your stars, you are now an adult, protected by the storied item as all adults.

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and expected to follow and impart the law and so on.

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hmm hmm

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asciilifeform wonders re resolution of gecko

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goes right into that discussion of "god's church body", http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/

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asciilifeform that's the thing, it's not measurable! certainly not pixel resolution. it has a bizarre sort of say pre-compressed multi-cell-linked sort of resolution.

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ie, "for its purpose" it has easily > 10mn dpi. but for your purpose, i doubt it has a functional .2 dpi.

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it's not a general purpose screen.

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(i confess i've been studying fucking geckos.)

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BingoBoingo proposing horror show sorta creation like remote controlled cockroach, but on bigger scale. Perhaps less adorable color change lizard would make better candidate.

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How is Fna anyways?

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BingoBoingo he slid over the floor at the rate and in the manner of a tiny tumbleweed being blown by wind a coupla days ago. i jumped up because wtf, tiny tumbleweeds blown by wind ??!?!

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this is the sort of shit they do.

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would it be appropriate if slightly simplified for, say, knuth to get a algorithms/computation tattoo?

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not just the animals, either. the people are SO FUCKING SUSPICIOUS if they lived in lafond's own they'd be shot like twice a week just "on general principle" to borrow a tarantinoism. and utterly unaware of it, also.

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phf no. because how does he reconcile it with literate programming ?

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this is the problem -- we do SO MANY things. "oh i'm a father and an employee of the month", says the office plankton. well... also a consumer, and a sayer of VERY finely tuned nonsense. wut now.

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leaving alone that none of the things are anything but time-compatible : they're not mutually meaningful in any meaningful way.

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"the more things there are to be, the fewer beings you will have". eventually that reaches 0 and that's that.

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hmm

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phf did you live through soviet long enough to know the 10yo fixed-form composition ?

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like, say, the vacation page ? wit hthe "goodbye so and so landmark" closer sentence ?

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i'm not sure, i went to "humanities special school" it's possible they didn't torture us with such nonsense

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In other his-stories http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/

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but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents

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writing up an incident report or whatever else in this manner.

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soviet is very instructive for the anthropologist because it is roughly speaking "summarized early modern".

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allows comparison of the item with its summary for maximal comprehension.

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and the story it tells is that cca 1950 soviet / 1800 western world, it was already impossible to produce meaningful tattoos due to growing complexity.

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substitute tattoo of wooden tongue was employed in soviet world, to the amusement of early postmoderns in the west.

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<mircea_popescu> writing up an incident report or whatever else in this manner. << US has similar "5 paragraph essay" format used on standardized tests through High School

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i'm aware. complexity in us world has been dropping abruptly in mainstream terms. teh people can no longer support an actually deliberative senate.

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strangely, the us version is a lot less endearing, perhaps in that it so carefully avoids appearing naive to itself.

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BingoBoingo first remembers encountering "5 paragraph" in 1992 at age of 8 in third grade

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recount this. what's the rules for the construction of the item ?

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perhaps it's because it doesn't come with a high pitched, clear voice of a true pioneer singing about rodina

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[1] Thesis, introduce points 1, 2, and 3 [2] Elaborate Point 1 [3] Elaborate Point 2 [4] Elaborate Point 3 [5] Conclusion, i.e. repeat thesis and reiterate points 1, 2, and 3

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BingoBoingo any fixed forms ?

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(and yes, of course this is the ancient papal legate rulebook for message composition.)

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Fixed forms in what way?

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in the way of "la revedere, gara din pascani!" ie, "goodbye, train station of pascani!"

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Students were not trusted with commas until 8th grade. Sometimes until High School.

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in the way of "in our democracy" and "rights of all people" and so on. it's emergent in teh anglo.

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Ah, yeah

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"Ce frumoasa este iarna!" ie, "how beautiful $item is!". early, cheap, typewriter-and-indigo-paper powered shanonizing. fill in these blanks, and memorize the template they go into.

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Most common meme was "Our school is too poor to afford the new world maps"

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brain tattooing. because unlike skin, brain can present different facet in different context. to some degree.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Reduce, Reuse, Recycle"

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what can you do.

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"Don't be an Indian Giver"

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BingoBoingo remebers high school classrooms in 2004 still occasionally showing USSR on world map

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i understand the point though, my understanding that i haven't evaluated in a while was that soviet were attempting to solve prisoners dilemma by training "a soviet man". brain tattooing makes sense in that respect, though my interpretation is generous to the goals

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phf which prisonner dilemma ?

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"Gifted students are creative students" << This point was alluded to in pseudoscience guy's creativity vs. tinkering essay

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game theoretical one, cooperate/defect with the corresponding payoffs

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defect to whom ?

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it's in the statement of the prisoner's dilemma, "defect" to the hypothetical inquisitors by betraying the other prisoner (i know that the terminology used introduces interesting connotations within the soviet regime, but i don't think that's the intent)

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no, see, you're thinking "to the west" with such intensity it can't even be voiced. suppose for the sake of argument, defect to chuka. why not ?

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i know for a fact kgb had chuka defection directorate because hey, during the groznii siege all the signals folk involved had "experience in the problem".

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this puts the problem in context : "don't defect to west because even if materially stronger, it is morally weaker. BUT ALSO!!!! don't defect to fucking mongoloids because even though morally stronger they... don't have enough dachas ?"

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suddenly the proposition becomes untenable.

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you had any contact with the living memory of soviet punk ? was this thing early on, "soviet too soft, gotta be moar hardcore" youth movement, wouldn't wash, didn't ask women to fuck, somewhat vaguelyt like the great leap forward kids in china.

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i wasn't actually thinking to the west, i was treating soviet union as a self-contained system. the point i was trying to make is that (and this is all very RANDian) in the absence of a market graph you needed an alternative mechanism to encourage cooperation, which in this case was the propaganda system "real soviet man does X" etc.

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why do you think market encourages cooperation ?

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consider the case of kitty genovese ; or else a more general, abstracted point : you go into a field where men are working, in a rural, traditional, thereby market-clean setting, and i dunno, sayu a man is drowned in the river and ask for help. they will cooperate, won't they ? whereas if there's a market going they'll go... "go talk to the market-specialist, we're not in that line of work", yes ?

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if you screw somebody in a repeated trade, they won't necessarily do trade with you again

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market organizes capital, of course, and man is capital, yes, but it doesn't encourage cooperation anymore than it encourages the grass to grow.

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yes, but then you're substituting village for city

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phf wouldn't you expect, if market encouraged cooperation, for fucking to be most common in market-driven societies and least common in marketless ones ? whereas europe has a fertility problem and chuka very much does not ?

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seems the natural basic quanta of cooperation, "making a new child".

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i think that's competing ideologies setting conflicting goals

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hm.

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if your notion of cooperation excludes reproduction you'll have to define it somehow because i'm not sure i know what it means thne.

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i mean, "advanced" folk can't get a carpool to work, whereas "backwards" folk can drop a supernumerary child with the first woman/gaggle of children they run into, and it'll work out. "here, take this, i'll take it back tonight".

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hmm, i'm saying that market is one of the ways to encourage cooperation, where one wouldn't necessarily exist otherwise; there are other better ways, kinship, religion, king/leviathan

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so is there any argument against the "cooperation is what happens anyway, there's a number of known ways to discourage kinds, such as market, faith, kinship, etc" ?

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hmm

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much in the vein of "hair-grows on face ; we call a moustache this particular shaving pattern, and sideburns this other shaving pattern" ?

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for instance, traditional family ie kinship say discourages very acutely some specific cooperations, such as romeo and juliet's coop.

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whereas usg is very dedicated to "anti money laundering".

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doesn't specifically care who desdemona fucks, but very much cares if the moor sent any venetian coins back to mauretania.

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well, but if you're saying that cooperation is what happens, then at the very least same can be said about kinship.

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sure.

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but i'm not even sure if kinship and cooperation are similar nature of happen. does kinship promote cooperation as it's only source, but then you can do mental tricks to extend kinship beyond actual kin to likewise extend cooperation?

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cooperation is a behaviour ; kinship is a status. they're not compatible in this sense.

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the trick here is the usual "sleeping mind goes backwards through causal-time". the kinship is a particular shaving of the cooperation field -- you're supposed to help your kin and not help the nonkin. this does not mean "kinship made you help your kin" ; you wer going to help and this told you who NOT to help.

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16yo is going to suck some cock. unless she's biologically broken, mentally retarded, in some manner not-human, dysfunctional failure, she is. now, whether she sucks hunter's cock because that's who daddy brought home or wolf of wallstreet cock because that's what the cat dragged into the bar is an ulterior consideration. she's not gonna be without.

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i understand the reversal (and it's a neat one) but i don't see how it's supported by anything but itself. you're basically saying that "oh someone's drowning, that's not my brother, fuck im" is what's happening, where's i'm saying "nothing's happening of note, oh it's my brother drowning! i should help him" is what's happening

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but you're not helping him because he's your brother. you're helping him because you were going to help ; the part where he;s your brother is a 2nd step, where he doesn't get not-helped for being on do-not-help list.

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1. phf is walking down the road ; 2. phf perceives something in river ; 3. phf goes to help ; 4.a. phf discovers it was scarecrow, unloads helping module ; 4.b. phf discovers it is muscovy and he's from lvov, unloads helping module ; 4.c phf discovers it's his brother AND CARRIES ON.

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4.a.1 phf loads salvage module and recovers scarecrow

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unrelatedly alf -- teh russkis came up with the following item : a 20 ton truck with two engines, one powering the left side wheels, the other powering the right side wheels. i thought you should know.

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5. phf - crow war escalates

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BingoBoingo conceivably.

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ok, i'm convinced of "cooperation is what happens anyway". now i think that it doesn't work with conflicting interests. save person from river, potentially drown yourself kind of situation. or trade with them with smaller payoff, kill them and take their stuff for higher payoff.

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right.

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i suppose that's the point of prisoner's dilemma, it establishes simple example of such conflict

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the problem with payoff is, of course, identity. to quote that splendid film, "when a man takes an oath, he is holding his soul in his hands, like water. if he opens his fingers then, he shouldn't worry about ever meeting himself again."

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this doesn't happen just when you want it, but generally. if you're gonna kill the dude drowning to take his underwear, you'll be stuck wearing a pair of stained underwear which you didn't stain yourself.

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smooth, i suppose you could say that a raider wouldn't make a choice to trade, likewise trader doesn't necessarily have the inclination for raiding

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perhaps.

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the problem with this view is that most cultures ethnonym is "man". raider/trader/etc would have to be exonyms.

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well, those things that i brought up, kinship, religion, they are part of identity. "he's not my brother i won't go out on a limb" vs "my life's not my own, god told me to help even if i die".

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sure.

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so to revise the original point, markets create additional conditions under which higher payoff is obtained through cooperation in a situation of conflicting interests. though i'm not quite sure how that applies in the drowning situation, since it's missing the whole exchange of resources

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this is turning very much into "how i spent my summer" essay

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every ideological clothing of reality will priviledge some possible, occuring exchanges for others.

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take the combustion engine -- yes, the fuel burns ; yes it'd have oxidized anyway, eventually.

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in this configuration, it spins an axle. in another configuration, it'd have fed a mold or w/e.

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knowledge has you stick finger in some holes as opposed to others ; depending on the kind of knowledge so vary the kinds of holes.

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and so yes, a functional commercial environment will have you do some things, such as painting masterpieces and discovering the new world, in preference of others.

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whereas a dysfunctional socialist environment will have you chant nonsense in a circle.

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still, the masterpieces and discoveries are not objectively valuable, even though the socialists love using them whenever they figure how to.

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even if it's conspicuous consumption in the manner of "burn all these decadent bourgeois rembrandts"

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C3ED8B1253ED82D039BA732DED995DE56D46A4AD9C5900C742CE8C49A2B682E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1608...0909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.58.211.50 (ssh-rsa key from 207.58.211.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US OH)

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http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6C3ED8B1253ED82D039BA732DED995DE56D46A4AD9C5900C742CE8C49A2B682E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1696...7803 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.58.211.50 (ssh-rsa key from 207.58.211.50 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US OH)

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mornin

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wb

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why ty!

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how goes today?

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not bad so far.

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o hey, that was the painlessest log catchup ever.

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meanwhile at teh office, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f821b8398d69e9969db7f2dcef402703/tumblr_o7b4t3n1fC1v92rx6o1_400.gif

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aha, how monday should begin!

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o right tis monday!

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:D

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Morning all >.>

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heya.

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in other news : cutting up a fresh vanilla bean and leaving the cuttings to sit under costa rican rum qs in a brown glass bottle results after a week or so in such an incredible vanilla tincture as the senses can scarcely believe.

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i guess im making caek.

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delishius caek.

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I thought the caek was a lie.

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hm.

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Giving a whole new meaning to sit on it and spin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGmg4iYWAAAQibM.jpg

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lol it's that toy

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for some reason ultra-popular in usa

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ball bearing with plastic handle.

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you turn it, like a prayer wheel.

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( lotsa folx with idle hands, need somethign to spin, spin... )

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dun think i ever saw the specific one.

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o wait, are you saying it's not actually a butt plug, but something else ?

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they all have this shape

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it's probably the spin toy thing, glued to a plug

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brazzers are so fucking untalented. jesus.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694871 << recall ancient china, 'five-legged essay' ?

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Logged on 2017-08-07 04:27 mircea_popescu: phf did you live through soviet long enough to know the 10yo fixed-form composition ?

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same idea

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no, because i mean fixed form not fixed structure.

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what's the diff ?

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fixed structure is a cognitive necessity, from the kuhn-popper theory of paradigma-based research throughout the actual practice of scholastics all the way to a 10yos fixed structure "composition"

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the form is just a way to cheat.

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'structure is nothing if it's all you've got, skeletons spook people for a reason' -- naggum

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asciilifeform here's the difference : "bad guy gets it (death)" and "woman gets it in the end (cock)" are fixed structure, they create the usian fictional narrative.

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hm.

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whereas "don't say nigger" and "good guy wears white hat" is fixed form.

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aa , kabuki

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meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/hbnex

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maybe, if that's what you mean by it. i always interpreted it to mean "fixed form resulting through exhaustion of alternative by an ancient, methodical culture". whereas generally fixed form is arbitrary.

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nah mircea_popescu that's be joseki

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lol k

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( ultra-useful word imho )

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even if nobody again plays go.

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i'm not enough of an expert on stupid-theatre to be able to say if this is fair or not to teh kabuki.

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( for nonplayers -- 'joseki' are sequences of moves, but not necessarily in opening of game ( as in, e.g., chess ) , which appear to be arbitrary to the uninitiated but you deviate from at your peril

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asciilifeform other than the butthurt of matt levine, who apparently holds the irrational impacted belief that usg matters/has a future against all possibnle evidence, what about that piece ?

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( unless a very skilled player )

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mircea_popescu: i dun know much re the case, other than how the d00d was a master troll , 1st class ( bought some famous artsy piece of shit just to burn it, iirc, had a twatter where he bragged about demolishing various derps, etc)

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you mean the subject ?

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shkreli aha

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then they сшили дело for him

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( iirc accused of making pyramid ) and now convicted

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i don't suppose either him or bitcoin or anything else talked about is related to the piece. the whole item is matt levine being his usual judische insolence self, whereby he imagines he can talk out his ass and he won't hang for it because "someone had to say the alternative thing".

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this doesn't work, of course, but he'll whine loudly about the unfairness of it all.

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lol i only read the 1st segment

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and never heard of the author prev

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most nobody did.

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assumed it was generic volkischer beobachter clerk

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anyway, it's the usual strategy of the cattle, discussed previously in teh logs.

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appears so aha

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"oh, there's 5bn things that could be said and 3bn moo moos saying things, well, i'll be better served to "differentiate" myself from the herd by saying things according to how few others are saying them, than according to the things said"

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"better own 100% of obscure nonsense than ~0% of reasonable statement" because "you never know" etc.

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necessary corollary of "people can have ideas". of course, "people" can't, but that's too advanced for the prostitextuate.

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the other moo moo strat, since we're doing moo moo strats, is, of course, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694702 : spend a little time trying to follow a particular line into some detail, then "totally overwhelm" your betters by pointed questions. cuz you know, they totally don't outthink you on a regular basis.

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Logged on 2017-08-07 01:25 r0nin-: still argentina?

11:54

the point re 'inserting equalitis' was spot on, i immediately pictured d00d's picture of mircea_popescu as wanderer with a sack tied to a stick , 'wandering because lost'

11:54

this was actually formalized by caragiale cca 1880 : "sunt chelneri cari, dupa cite au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede".

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ie, there are waiters who overheard enough in bits and pieces from the intellectual's disputes that they can overwhelm an university professor, especially if unprepared.

11:55

asciilifeform that's kinda the thing, they self-flatteringly imagine i ended up here cuz i fell from a pot, not because i can see through them like so much glass beads.

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i suppose the moral being, we're going to see ever more waiters who read the log for i-log-ical purposes in teh futures. and, the imbecile (aka narcissist in ballas' terminology) being more dedicated to the preservation of the malfunctioning "self" he already has, they'll just run off the moment that dun work, to either try [the same stupid shit] again later or not dare to try again [ie, proclaim some sort of incomprehensible

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victory]

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anyway. items who aim to ask questions but can't answer questions are not yet ready for peopledom.

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http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694872 << interestingly, not so long ago i was working through an old german textbook from su era -- it had this

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Logged on 2017-08-07 04:28 mircea_popescu: like, say, the vacation page ? wit hthe "goodbye so and so landmark" closer sentence ?

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aha

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asciilifeform has been on a eurolangs refresh kick, doing ro currently

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how's that coming along ?

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quite entertaining

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not nearly as 'sporty', i think, as mircea_popescu's language method -- i've no meat people who speak anything useful in range

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so paper it is.

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asciilifeform's pet meanwhile is doing ru.

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do a trilema article, we'll lol together.

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i can already eat maybe 1 in 3 articles without making hilarious mistake -- looking to get useful with spoken ro

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( as in, realtime )

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wait, you mean ro to en ? i was thinking en to ro.

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i got some distance to go before would undertake * -> ro

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ah.

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well, you can always undertake two week vacation in ro, go northwest, the whores will be recognizably ukrainian and certainly friendly.

12:41

heck, go cluj-iasi-chisinev-odessa for maximal linguistic lulz.

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[ insert asciilifeform-has-nfi-where-to-even-begin-in-meatland thread here]

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eh, you buy tickets, you land at airport, you go to hotel and you chat up the clerk. find out where the university is, go there, hang out in the cafeteria, offer to buy girls drinks / hire one to show you around.

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take pet along, only feed her that day if you're happy with teh results. can't possibly miss, srsly nao.

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in other 'performance arts', https://cryptome.org/2017/08/cambridge-analytica.htm

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cryptome joined the off-internet bunch.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/missouri-police-officer-killed-during-traffic-stop-1502121625 << is it 'cops are easy to kill' oclock yet?

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ben_vulpes: paywalled

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http://archive.is/AP4sF

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hey, i recall when this was being discussed on trilema in the future tense! what was it, coupla years ago ?

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mhm!

14:37

from same rag: 'Venezuelans want to throw off the yoke of Cuban repression. They need your help.'

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( https://archive.is/FdIpb#selection-2267.42-2267.122 )

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cuban repression? waaat

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nfi!

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fwiw i never did experience that whole formulaic writing thing (though i know there were all kinds of other cases of "tattoos for the mind"), my russian/literature/foreign literature classes were brutal, i still have nightmares of cramming poetry last moment, 2-3 hours essay sessions that never seem to end, the three giant Yuri Lotman books

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'The Castro infiltration began over a decade ago when Fidel sent thousands of Cuban agents, designated as teachers and medical personnel, to spread propaganda and establish communist cells in the barrios.' didjaknow!!

14:38

gotta luvv the thief-crying-stopthief folx

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phf: the most basic education for-people is still > the finest available education for-ameritards

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i saw some of each and willing to 'sign under this' .

14:40

o wow, this is like, usg foreign policy done by the guys they stole it from, so therefore ILLEGITIMATE OMYGERD!

14:41

noshit.jpg

14:42

playing yesterday's game. as if it's fucking 1930 and "the masses" matter or some dumb shit.

14:44

relatedly the crashcoin etc idjits are pressuring the gavins ('core devs') to... break traditional addresses.

14:44

this is great idea, possibly will finally get even the dullest off prb.

14:46

lol wut ?

14:47

oh, don't tell me, "we will not make payments to non 1-led addresses" hurt the butt quite THAT much did it ?

14:47

http://archive.is/s7iTd << for entomologists strictly

14:48

lulzy.

14:51

wait, in some paralel github universe bitcoin crash is actually "a majority fork" ?

14:51

1 aws vm , 1 voat, or sumthinglikethat

14:52

*

mircea_popescu shrugs.

14:58

in possibly more interesting noose, ice40 toolchain seems to build and work ok even on crapple.

14:59

very imho interestingly, NOBODY manufactures a board with an ice40 and a nontrivial qty of ram together.

14:59

*

asciilifeform looked.

14:59

nor with a nic.

15:00

( these are ubiquitous for xilinx & altera )

15:02

asciilifeform ecp3 versa has 1gbit ddr3 even.

15:03

that is not an ice40!!!

15:03

lattice made tho :)

15:03

but screamingly noncompatible

15:03

it's their ver of the xilinx virtex, full of proprietary special blox of various sorts

15:03

wholly unreversed afaik.

15:03

aha

15:04

i actually have an older version of that thing, bought by mistake

15:04

the working turdless-chain series is the ice40, up to 8k gate.

15:06

olimex has something, usual 512kb sram sorta thing.

15:06

i have that one.

15:06

aha.

15:06

and 'icestick' also.

15:06

for unexplained reasons not a very popular/studied/modded chip.

15:07

very studied, surprisingly enough, to the point of being fully solved

15:07

but nobody could be arsed to mount it with sdram socket and gb nic magnetics ?!

15:07

apparently.

15:07

these are contradictory aren't they.

15:07

how?

15:08

"she spends two hours each weekday poledancing at various clubs and her hymen's intact". rly ?

15:08

intact afaik

15:08

not same thing as 'definitely intact'

15:08

it wasn't so much solved as the producer documented it, isn't it.

15:09

apparently surest fire way to obscurity is to properly document your hardware.

15:09

it is almost like the ice40 aficionados are following the 'bolix-whisperers' 'we dun wanna piss off dks!111' school of thought

15:09

'oh noez if we start doing heavy lifting with open fpga it will be immediately discontinued'

15:09

learned helplessness, america's only export.

15:09

*

asciilifeform recently spoke with yet another 'but dks! but john mallery and nsa!' d00d

15:10

what about them ?

15:10

the usual asciilifeform : 'i intend to reverse and publicly rape all bolix intellectualprowhateverthefucks' d00d: 'atrocity! but do you not fear and worry ! but nsa! ' etc

15:11

so whatever, early reaction to grief.

15:11

bolix co. remnant is owned by a 'dark eminence', retired nit nsa prof d00d, see old thread

15:11

*mit

15:11

i'm aware.

15:13

i have several convos like this, and consider them strictly 'psychiatrically' interesting

15:13

they treat the corpse as if it were alcoholic father , or the like - 'mustn't piss off, will beat us' 'mustn't piss off, maybe will give us treats'

15:14

but the corpse neither beats, nor dispenses treats.

15:14

high time to realize this, whisperers.

15:14

it's a corpse.

15:14

take out the gold teeth and move on.

15:14

from the little actual i've seen, dude's just a very serious engineer type of the 70s, entirely unequipped to deal with the metrosexual fucktards of the 90s

15:15

but quite happy to , with usg ?

15:15

usg dun mean anything to him.

15:15

http://trilema.com/2017/spies-in-berlin/ << Trilema - Spies in Berlin

15:15

lol, usg just another customer ? sorta like how long pig just another sausage ?

15:16

something like that. though i expect they had a coupla people specially for interfacing with him.

15:16

reason contract ended prolly was those finally retired.

15:17

likely

15:17

coupla women, not really secretaries/receptionists, not really subsecretaries of state. the forklifts of government, doing the actual paper pushing. prolly in their 30s when they met, 30 years ago. eventually, gotta quit to hang out with the dogs / grandkids.

15:18

~only correct way to understand post-cold-war government is as a public funded term paper mill. there's a bunch of people writing the papers and a bunch of nominally designated "students" "turning their work in".

15:18

i usedta work in one of these

15:18

know about it.

15:18

supposedly the public grades it.

15:18

lol

15:18

which is the laugh of all time.

15:19

anyway. "creates jobs" right. you too could be retiring to dogs and grandkids if you only copy/paste from wikipedia!

15:20

except, history dun repeat, even if it rhymes. those coupla women retiring are the last to make it on that conveyor belt.

15:22

asciilifeform the pretense of "secrets" and "classified" in such an environment is even more laughable than the theory whereby public grades it.

15:22

"oh no mp, it's a think TANK!!!1". reheheally.

15:23

bureaucratic seekrit machines are powered ~entirely by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785

15:23

Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

15:23

in soviet, maybe. in usg, it's really just a social game.

15:24

nothing is actually secret, nor could be. cuz how the fuck.

15:24

literal kabuki, "and then we pretend the man with a black headband is invisible". exactly the same, "secret".

15:24

e.g. yes some retired to dogs crone somewhere once photocopied the algo for breaking the weak class of aes key. no she has nfi what the funny letter on the paper meant, why would she.

15:25

you keep thinking the usg has actually interesting secrets, rather than the rejected scripts for reality tv we keep turning up in the sikrit vaults.

15:25

i am not so convinced.

15:26

depends what means interesting

15:26

literally, "anything but rejected reality tv scripts".

15:27

i regard , for instance, a pill that's take phuctor from ppm of keys phucked, to ~most -- as interesting

15:27

it's not that they lost the nuke schematics. it's that they can't even find the boat designs from back when their boats actually floated. so they end up with littoral cardboard sheeps.

15:28

nuke has priority somewhere below whoever cleans the wh bowling alley.

15:28

you're welcome to not believe, on ops grounds, "i will not believe enemy is dumb". but that aside, as a theoretical concern, how the fuck else will you explain "recent models actually worse performing than earlier models" ?

15:28

if you don't fuck as well as you used to, it's because you forgot how to fuck, there's no more to it than that.

15:28

enemy is a constellation of dumb and smart.

15:28

yes, in the sense door is a constellation of wood and divine grace.

15:29

most of the smart, at this point, is bottled from ages past

15:29

in the form of artifacts

15:29

entirely hermetic artifacts. a la bolix.

15:30

there is another category of artifacts, products of guile rather than technical inventiveness -- the keys to the boobytraps

15:30

( the various heartbleeds )

15:30

you see, they can't use the good boat designs "because they haven't been digitized" which is code for "we lost them". so they're stuck with "This recipe i found on a site", entirely http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691198

15:30

Logged on 2017-07-31 18:03 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562128 << http://glyf.org/tmp/DMT.gif cc asciilifeform, i came accros that dmt guide that i was talking about in my archives

15:30

asciilifeform the problem with those is that we get them as soon as they touch them.

15:30

they have 0 incentive to use good boat design, that won't generate recurring revenue

15:30

a la mircea_popescu's folk tale with the builders

15:30

who held up the wall with hands

15:30

and wrote food and drink into budget

15:30

incentive is irrelevant. stupid unfucked chickie imagines "she has no incentive to put out", as fucking if.

15:32

lockheed et al have 0 reason to build ship that perma-floats, any more than monkey, to whom some idiot gave banana as 'salary', has any notion of 'showing up for work' the next morning

15:32

there's not a stalin who will round up and shoot the lockheed board and their families etc

15:32

but reason has nothing to do with it. neither lockheed nor anyone else could.

15:33

full fucking stop. they can't build the "hypertube" or w/e, and just in the same way, they can't build a fleet of b2s. just, simply, overpoweringly, can not.

15:33

whether monkey could 'decide to show up for work' -- i do not know

15:33

the designs are lost.

15:33

'lost' deliberately

15:34

father with inept son watching keys locked inside -- "did you do it deliberately ?!?!" "uhhh i dunno...."

15:34

because 'you can't get tenure by saying let's-use-rsa' and you won't get $trillion if you ~do~ dig up the old blueprint

↖ ↖ ↖

15:34

wtf is deliberate even mean. they don't deliberate.

15:34

the 'losing' is a volitional, planned act, like bank robbery.

15:34

like "i used the juice" bank robbery, planned, sure.

15:35

whether imbecile or genius is orthogonal to planned vs spontaneous

15:35

meanwhile, teeets! http://68.media.tumblr.com/a1eb142151ba423bc5cba90620efadc1/tumblr_o3xxurz05E1teoe9mo1_1280.jpg

15:35

asciilifeform not so. below a certain level (self-reflection), planned and spontaneous project to the same point.

15:36

imbecile planning and spontaneity both go "guuuhk"

15:37

http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-16#954309 << juice ref

15:37

Logged on 2014-12-16 03:04 gribble: The burglar with the lemon juice disguise « Mind Hacks: <http://mindhacks.com/2010/02/11/the-burglar-with-the-lemon-juice-disguise/>; Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>; DOT Uses Beet Juice to Battle Icy Roads | NBC 10 Philadelphia: <http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/traffic/transit/Beet-Juice- (1 more message)

~ 19 minutes ~

15:57

mircea_popescu: ^ famous incident

15:58

pretty lulzy, btw, trilema, with the 'car key as sword'

15:58

what, i wonder , is the thought process ? 'i open crates with this, ergo it is fighting knife also' ?

15:59

somebody did it in a movie.

15:59

only reason any ameritard does anything

16:00

somebody also used magic wand in movie

16:00

propose it also for hand to hand ?

16:00

surely some "wiccan" bitch will exactly that.

16:09

i dunno, who the fuck can make sense of the stuff. kids come up with kid notions.

~ 38 minutes ~

16:47

in other bezzles, musk raising 1.3b in 'high yield' bonds

16:48

to make a car the rumor mill suggests isn't particularly profitable

16:48

everyone is doin it

16:48

i want to issue junk bonds backed by battery powered dreams too!

16:49

lol

16:50

i know, i'll make an ico

16:53

that whole scam reminds me very much of the alt craze of '13

16:57

same same but bigger

~ 19 minutes ~

17:16

this just adds to the lulz of yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694676

17:16

Logged on 2017-08-06 22:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694636 << what are they gonna run out of ? cement ?

~ 26 minutes ~

17:43

in other lollers, http://archive.is/nsrpU >> 'Tina Lam and Michael Cheng snatched up Presidio Terrace — the block-long, private oval street lined by 35 megamillion-dollar mansions — for $90,000 and change in a city-run auction stemming from an unpaid tax bill. They outlasted several other bidders. Now they’re looking to cash in — maybe by charging the residents of those mansions to park on

17:43

their own private street.'

17:43

but best part,

17:43

'Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her financier husband, Richard Blum; House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi; and the late Mayor Joseph Alioto. A guard is stationed round the clock...' , and

17:44

'...the homeowners association has sued the couple and the city, seeking to block Cheng and Lam from selling the street to anyone while the city appeal is pending — a move residents fear could complicate their efforts to reclaim the land.'

17:44

didjaknow

17:44

'oops, we forgot to stack the deck. can haz backsies?'

17:45

lol.

17:45

they're crazy about that dumb shit throughout latin america also, "condominios". who the fuck would want to live in them is unexplaiend, but they'\re everywhere.

17:46

"oh mr p, wouldn't you love to PAY so some inept schmuck can waste your time with a barrier on the road and everything ?" "totally!"

17:46

'cemetary' lifestyle

17:46

at this rate they're going to have a privatized tsa in the bathroom.

17:46

perfect uniformity, d00dz show up to cut the grass on same day for whole street, etc

17:46

<+asciilifeform> 'oops, we forgot to stack the deck. can haz backsies?' << lol, exactly

17:47

mircea_popescu: betcha the guard on the feinstein street, shoots to kill

17:48

anyway, "a guard" pish. that's where you take the riots, if you're serious about rioting. brick pelt pelosi, feinstein and friends.

17:48

( vs overfattened dc schmucks street )

17:48

asciilifeform betcha is exactly the same dude with rolled up newspaper in retail bank.

17:48

making 12 an hour or w/e.

17:48

the interesting bit is that the net score of dead feinsteins to date is 0.

17:48

the rioters NEVER ONCE burned anything other than own pigsties.

17:48

you keep saying this as fact, then i link you to dead feinsteins, then you forget about it for a week or two, then back to it.

17:49

the one in nyc ?

17:49

she wasn't in nomenklatura book.

17:49

did you mean specifically assassinated sitting senators ?

17:49

nor do we know by whom killed. could just as easily be by contract , vs street tough

17:49

senators.

17:49

fed judges. anybody above dogcatcher.

17:49

that's more of a caligula thing. we're still at nero.

17:50

im sorry. we're still at tiberius.

17:50

probably.

17:50

asciilifeform anyway, one doesn't need to look far : man opens fire in group of 50 congressmen june 14th current.

17:51

and 0 corpse..?

17:51

*

asciilifeform has not followed subj

17:51

but will gladly discuss it with firm conviction!

17:51

we were discussing rioters.

17:51

"oh that guy just hated baseball"

17:51

lol

17:52

postalists have nailed politicians in the past. more or less the only scoreholders in usa to date.

17:52

anyway. giffords got shot in the head 2011, scalise was shot in the hip 2017. that's two for the past decade ; first two since 73.

17:52

( i.e. lone d00d, with at least 2-3 day plan horizon; rather than crowd of monkeys )

17:53

though mircea_popescu is quite obviously right re the 12/hr guard having 0 to do with why monkeys dun burn feinstein's mansion

17:53

asciilifeform the person doing the shooting from the crowd will always be you know, the person doing the shooting. if your idea is "show me senators shot by helicopter moms" you're going to turn out empty.

17:54

anyway. there was trhat whole puerto rican nationalism slaugther, they got like a half dozen in the 50s iirc.

17:54

process re 'why not feinstein's house' was publicly visible during bmore riot -- soldiers appeared, but did not shoot rioters, merely redirected them to approved pillage-an'-burn ground

17:54

first time in a century.

17:55

mircea_popescu: they weren't rioters.

17:55

technically, rioters can't shoot anybody, because by definition they donb't have guns.

17:55

( no more than the folx who nailed ceaucescu were )

17:55

dunno, bmore rioters had no shortage of small arms

17:56

still rioters, rather than soldiers : no command structure.

17:56

ahahaha

17:56

the us army hasn't had comparable command structure since the 80s.

17:56

it's still an army, vs every-man-what-he-can band of maurauder

17:57

at least for nau.

17:57

your notion of the baltimore riots is thoroughly fictitious.

17:57

and mircea_popescu's, wholly accurate ?

17:57

from where ?

17:57

nothing is wholly accurate, but that's neither here nor there.

17:58

let's just say that shooting feinstein would have done ~0 as far as the drug market is concerned, so she escaped.

17:58

plox to 1) the seekrit tru picture 2) how mircea_popescu found it ?

17:58

they were busy with more useful targets.

17:58

now this is true -- sitting usg is necessary to current blackmarketters like oxygen

17:59

asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement.

17:59

resettlement ?

17:59

well yes, they expanded territory like 30%, losing some areas, gaining others, look at teh map neh ?

17:59

aah hm.

18:00

generally, the black-powered underground in the us is very much migratory, it wants to move towards the places with teenage fuckbunnies, and away from the dead zones.

18:00

creating, naturally, dead zones as it walks

18:00

migration is slower than in their african home, but still, tectonic like underlyin phenomenon.

18:00

asciilifeform hey, the grass sprouts back once they leave.

18:00

that's the point of a savannah.

18:01

^ this matches observations of asciilifeform's naked eye, thus far.

18:01

fwiw.

18:01

to them, feinstein is nothing more than any other old bitty. she dun fuck, she dun twerk, she's as interesting as a printed picture of a bone is to a dog.

18:02

this view happens to be closer to reality, amusingly enough, than the hallucinations of power and import of the various borderline sleeves "interning" for her.

18:02

one of the biggest puzzlers re marauding monkeyfolk to asciilifeform , is the reluctance of robbers to use the auto. almost like it were 1910 again, or sumthing. 90% rob in walking distance of own dwelling. mind-boggling

18:02

auto needs gas.

18:02

cheaper in usa than literally anywhere on planet, neh

18:03

cheaper than milk.

18:03

not a matter of price, a matter of all the strings. gotta keep it maintained, tank full, etc. you realise 50% of all arguments among car using negros is "who left the tank empty" ?

18:03

no car, no problems.

18:03

lol, maintained?! rob in stolen auto neh

18:04

gotta steal it.

18:04

preferably, the same day you go robbing.

18:04

aha

18:04

do you even grasp the hassle this is turniung into ?

18:04

the sort of idiot who'd go into petty crime does so FOR CONVENIENCE. if he was willing to follow check lists he'd go to sv and be a fucking pm.

18:05

meanwhile, dicks! http://68.media.tumblr.com/67f2b0e96ca7af37b30286911060e864/tumblr_o633b7EFZT1rayazno1_1280.jpg

18:05

i was working under the possibly mistaken assumption that not all pretty criminals are subhuman ('for convenience, i'ma shit right here where i stand')

18:05

consider the earlier discussion re power and income.

18:05

hm?

18:05

in order to be a petty criminal, you must be innumerate. there's no other way.

18:06

otherwise, the "you'd make more washing dishes" chokes all the fun.

18:06

yeah but washing dishes emasculates

18:06

and carrying grannies purses for them doesn't ?

18:06

what if you're numerate but maximally emasculation-averse

18:06

then you become A FUCKING WELDER.

18:06

hm.

18:06

or man an oil rig.

18:07

dja have any fucking idea what an oil rig veteran makes ?

18:07

about same as sv

18:07

heh.

18:07

(considerably more, he dun ahve to give it up immediately to thej000z etc )

18:08

right.

18:08

"about same as sv and oh btw all catered meals and accomodations are free"

18:08

"there's no commute. 12 hour shifts every other day."

18:08

while we're on subj, i get these hilarious invitations to sv conglomerates, ~every day

18:09

'hey idio! why dontcha come and work at $shitco! we'll pay you 300k, and you can spend 250 of it on a 1room flat!!'

18:09

*idiot!

18:10

asciilifeform well, they could hire the girl also, and for the 450k you can get a 2 bedroom and rent one. this'll work well as you'll never see each other again

18:10

*

mircea_popescu personally knows guy who, instead of divorce, got spouse job at his place of work, never saw her again.

18:10

lol!

18:10

i kid you not.

18:11

i find it fascinating, the psychology of folx who voluntarily sign up for svtron.

18:11

they're by and large folks who'd have signed up for mp slavery except no mp offered.

18:12

lol! 'eating cake is just like eating a live wasp nest, except with no cake and with wasps'

18:12

or somethinglikeit

18:12

the problem with this simile is that i am unsure which is mapped on the cake and which on the wasps.

18:12

deliberately unspecified

18:13

mircea_popescu: remember the genderfucked alicesomethingorother who 'i'ma meal-squares-mostly-eating-person' ? that's my mental image of sv

18:14

( approx. dry cat-feed sold for 'people' )

18:14

i guess.

18:15

anyway, im off to watch child porn nao. bbl.

18:15

laters.

~ 1 hours 6 minutes ~

19:22

http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1695087 << Apparently the two things they are bickering over are Bitcoin, and 2mb Forkcoin but they REFUSE to disambiguate!

19:22

Logged on 2017-08-07 18:51 mircea_popescu: wait, in some paralel github universe bitcoin crash is actually "a majority fork" ?

19:23

brb

~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~

20:38

good morning

20:38

BingoBoingo, any idea if estwing is still a good american tool brand or are they rubbish and just trade off the name now?

20:41

p jeu

20:41

o hey. how goes cazalla

20:42

mircea_popescu, good, just back from morning gym sesh

20:42

nice.

20:43

how are things in your part of the world? left argentina?

20:46

a yeah.

20:47

pleasantly warm.

20:57

http://trilema.com/2017/what-gets-me-hot/ << Trilema - What gets me hot

~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~

21:59

!~ticker --market all

22:00

jhvh1

shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3376.02, vol: 12425.62211284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3389.6, vol: 24484.35055597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3353.183513, vol: 13917.10960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3370.01, vol: 6073.82428952 | Volume-weighted last average: 3375.63645434

~ 37 minutes ~

22:37

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...7543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH)

22:37

http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...7667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH)

~ 40 minutes ~

23:18

<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement. << Lafond says this as well plus moving product into town

23:24