| 02:45 |
crtdaydreams |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-10-18#1114061 << I really don't do enough soldering letalone desoldering to merit buying. Plus that's specifically engineered for through-hole stuff, would be better to invest in e.g. hakko iron + hot air gun first imo |
| 02:45 |
bitbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-10-18 vex: https://www.altronics.com.au/p/t2065-micron-90w-vacuum-desoldering-station/ mebbe worth tooling up if you value your time crtdaydreams |
| 02:46 |
crtdaydreams |
can then easily desolder surface mount chips |
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| 04:48 |
crtdaydreams |
unpx: hola! |
| 04:49 |
crtdaydreams |
must be something wrong with my nat fwd setup |
| 04:50 |
crtdaydreams |
it's likely why currently not seeing ascii, peterL, etc. as peered |
| 04:52 |
* |
crtdaydreams may take some time for chains to sync across all peers |
| 04:52 |
crtdaydreams |
unpx: going to also suggest to tweak the gdint knob, add an extra couple zeroes |
| 04:53 |
crtdaydreams |
it'll chew holes in your ethernet cord |
| 04:54 |
crtdaydreams |
ls |
| 04:54 |
crtdaydreams |
eck! |
| 04:54 |
* |
crtdaydreams has gdint set to 10000 |
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| 07:53 |
unpx |
Sup, looks like workin now |
| 07:53 |
unpx |
My ssh connection is shitty tho, checking later |
| 07:55 |
shinohai |
Welcome unpx! |
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| 08:42 |
unpx |
Hello, I'm figuring out if I have to fix the fork |
| 08:44 |
unpx |
hmm no wait, not mine break |
| 08:45 |
unpx |
shinohai, thanks! |
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| 10:29 |
unpx |
Meh.... https://youtu.be/n5eRPNdiNtQ |
| 10:32 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: there are over9000 of these gratuitously complex horrors |
| 10:33 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
| 10:33 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2021-01-20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: good # of'em want to 'look' 'clever' to 'make tenure' etc |
| 10:35 |
asciilifeform |
... chock-fulla 'random oracles', 'byzantine consensus', & other academiwankage artifacts. |
| 10:35 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-08-09 asciilifeform: replete with magicnumbers, 'random oracle' assumptions, 'perfect hash', and other maculae |
| 10:37 |
asciilifeform |
no 'journal of cryptology'(tm)(r)(c) is aboutta print the pest spec, given as 'simple like kalashnikov' and worx, rather than 40 megatonnes of 'proof' squiggles. 'you can take this to the bank.' |
| 10:38 |
* |
signpost finds himself discussing the dichotomy of the "business of X" vs the "science of X" in just about everything these days. medicine, engineering, etc, etc. |
| 10:39 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: dun fughet 'the psychopathology of x' |
| 10:41 |
signpost |
bit of business in that too, but yeah, also the smearing shit on walls for sake of it. |
| 10:42 |
asciilifeform |
the 'biznis' aspect there is that 'worx and trivially understood by bright 8th grader' doesn't getcha printed, much less tenured. hence what's in a typical 'respectable paper'. |
| 10:44 |
asciilifeform |
(not to mention that our spec aint citing anyffin but 30+y.o. rfcs... 'this dun scratch anyone's back') |
| 10:45 |
asciilifeform |
from yet other angle, a working implementation of wot is rather like 'garlic to vampire', i.e. actually vanishes the over9000 pseudo-problems which come from 'must accessible to randos'. anathema. |
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| 11:53 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
| 11:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-09-30 22:35:31 asciilifeform: saw similar pieces re ye olde irc and its forced spanning tree, and inescapably they end with 'and so we need this 100kloc of gnarly auto-consensus coad , let's learn from shitcoins' etc |
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| 13:55 |
* |
asciilifeform thinks it could be interesting to leave some hardbound deadtrees of new spec where certain folx might read it, but hasn't any realistic expectations of seeing'em on net |
| 13:57 |
asciilifeform |
prolly oughta wait until spec is bugfree per current reader's lights; and prolly also until we've the luby algo |
| 13:58 |
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asciilifeform slowly rewriting, and not only for prettyprint, but to actually nail down the chain mechanics and remove various underspecified (and in places, contradictory) ughs |
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| 14:40 |
unpx |
asciilifeform: I've been studying to get almost there. Algebraic Cryptography mostly for now. But then I'd like to settle on my own stuff and play. |
| 14:40 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: where is 'there' ? |
| 14:41 |
unpx |
Research in cryptography |
| 14:43 |
unpx |
May even do Pest protocol security ``proof'' as exercise. (proof as in type theory -- maybe if I'll have time Petri net could be a thing too) |
| 14:44 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: only if you assume that the cipher & hmac aint breakable (then -- elementary, there's justabout nuffin to 'prove') |
| 14:45 |
asciilifeform |
the boojum is that we haven't ANY such proof, other than for ye olde otp. |
| 14:45 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-06-10 asciilifeform: essentially the Big Dirty Secret re crypto is that NO ONE HAS YET proven that non-otp cryptography ~actually exists~ |
| 14:45 |
unpx |
That's the main point of protocol proof afaik. Serpent is an exercise for this semester. Been studying finite fields and now getting into non-linearity and so on |
| 14:46 |
unpx |
asciilifeform: I don't get if I'm connected with you or if I'm hopping via crtdaydreams. Just in case >>> http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-10-19#1114131 |
| 14:46 |
bitbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-10-19 d4: asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9BH0 |
| 14:46 |
asciilifeform |
there aint even any cryptosystems, afaik, that rest on ANY kind of problem with known-hardness. |
| 14:47 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: not plugged in just yet |
| 14:47 |
unpx |
> -a- pending message buffer full, forcing timeout <<< This is going to be fun |
| 14:48 |
asciilifeform |
( see other old thrds re subj ) |
| 14:49 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-09-28 asciilifeform: incidentally i just realized that von neumann had this thread. and modelled the item in shannon's terms : he asked that the ciphertext contain 0 bits of info re the plaintext. and proved that this is true if and only if you're using... otp |
| 14:49 |
unpx |
My favorite test for quantum computers and consequently how I see the PQC-race |
| 14:49 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: per asciilifeform's lights, 'quantum computer' is a religious/grantological artifact and of ~0 interest from practical pov |
| 14:51 |
unpx |
Yeah, just like the Russell's teapot |
| 14:51 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
| 14:51 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-06-11 asciilifeform: not far from asciilifeform's chair there for instance is a princely bldg housing a, shit thee not, 'quantum cloud computing' 'startup', funded to 1e8+$ and peddling stock |
| 14:52 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-04-14 asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: read, when orig. posted. has 0 to do with 'in $n cycles', but w/ shor's algo & variants. on the entirely imaginary apparatus advertised as 'quantum computer' (originally a joke paper by r.feynman, nao a multi-$1e9 reich grantsmanship game, reminiscent of 'hot fusion') |
| 14:58 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: quantumism is part eternal grant racket perpetuum mobile, and part reich FUD gambit to move gullible folx off rsa. |
| 14:58 |
dulapbot |
(asciilifeform) 2022-06-29 asciilifeform: ( not even to mention the obscene complexity of implementation of eccism, making a meaningful audit of given proggy just about impossible ) |
| 15:00 |
asciilifeform |
in 'cryptology kommunity' it has justabout reached the status of 'climate consensus'(tm)(r) -- point out the above, get shown the door in <1sec |
| 15:04 |
unpx |
Right now my opinion stop at most crypto UX may be misused and become what's called a footgun, reason why 'cryptography community' and 'security community' starts saying things like ``GPG bad, GPG footgun, just don't, use Signal'' |
| 15:05 |
asciilifeform |
'use AOL messenger' lol |
| 15:06 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. 'don't use footgun, just put the gun straight in mouth, why suffer' |
| 15:07 |
unpx |
Precisely |
| 15:10 |
asciilifeform |
'90s 'crypto wars' did not end, the reich simply retooled away from pushing attempts to mandate key escrow to psyops where 'reasonable people' accept pkiism |
| 15:10 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-07-19 asciilifeform: ( summary : ustards are fixated on 'escrowable' ciphers, as they were called in 1990s, but today they do not use the word . i.e. schemes for getting your privkey to be something THEY can access on a whim ) |
| 15:11 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes, the mask slips (afaik linked item ~not~ an apr.1 joak!) |
| 15:11 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2017-05-31 asciilifeform: in recent sads, 'Our batch prime-generation algorithm suggests that, to help reduce energy consumption and protect the environment, all users of RSA—including users of traditional pre-quantum RSA—should delegate their key-generation computa- tions to NIST or another trusted third par |
| 15:13 |
asciilifeform |
the pushing of 'modern' (in 100% of cases, gratuitously complex) algos -- yet another form of escrow 'via other end of digestive tract'. |
| 15:15 |
unpx |
Yeah, makes me think about this https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf |
| 15:15 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. the 'don't make own crypto'(tm)(r) dictum printed in just about erry piece of Official maculature on the subj. 'don't make own, use our boobytrapped lib like proper patriot.' |
| 15:16 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: they openly backpedalled on 'move all usg ministries to ecc' |
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| 15:44 |
asciilifeform |
upnp: re: 'security assumptions of pest' -- this summarizes moar or less whole thing. |
| 15:45 |
asciilifeform |
if the 2 given symmetric algos hold -- airtight. otherwise -- 0 security. there aint much to 'proof'. |
| 15:46 |
asciilifeform |
... the prototypes, however -- another matter, lol. |
| 15:46 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-10-05 16:17:44 asciilifeform[6]: in otherlulz, lulzy sideffects of yest.'s blatta bugola. |
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| 17:23 |
unpx |
Yeah, if everything is behind that wall it's okay |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
unpx: misbehaviour 'inside wall' is dealt with by unpeering. |
| 17:24 |
asciilifeform |
( i.e. a peer can spam without restriction ) |