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00:02 mod6 <mircea_popescu> list of items for mod6's convenience : 1) nice job! 2) successive presses overfil .gitignore and possibly other files 3) deps directory should prolly be same level as patches and .seals<< sorry you encountered some issues on 2nd press. Thanks for your comments. Duly noted.
00:02 mod6 Sounds like you got it compiled and working, for this, I'm glad.
00:13 mircea_popescu yah smooth as buttar.
00:13 mod6 Nice. I've got mine built too with 'wires'. Just need to get a minute to hook it up to alf's node.
00:18 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski i could make that read 5k by pushing a switch. idiots have nfi, counting all the ips you feel like exposing.
00:20 mircea_popescu mod6 consider patching .gitignore out altogether next release, not like it's used
00:22 mod6 it's only current use, is that it allows directories not to be removed.
00:23 mod6 long ago, we all talked about this. and perhaps it is time to prune these directories. but at the time, it was decided to leave them as-is
00:24 mircea_popescu hm
00:24 mircea_popescu im not current on this. got a link ?
00:26 mod6 let me dig it up -- bumeanwhile, it's regarding src/obj, src/obj/nogui, src/obj/test
00:26 * mod6 goes to dig
00:30 mod6 Well, there are a bunch of references...
00:31 mod6 !#s .gitignore
00:31 a111 28 results for ".gitignore", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=.gitignore
00:31 mod6 I'll pull some ...
00:31 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-24#1284164
00:31 a111 Logged on 2015-09-24 00:25 mod6: <+phf> shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? << i said to disregard this patch. reason is, it wipes out output dirs required by the bitcoin makefile.
00:32 mod6 (and by bitcoin makefile, this meant 'makefile.unix' in the src directory)
00:33 mod6 asked by ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-19#1206699
00:33 a111 Logged on 2015-07-19 21:31 ben_vulpes: mod6: re gitkeeps do we even know why those empty dirs are necessary for a succesful compile?
00:34 mircea_popescu oh oh i remember now what this all was.
00:34 mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-19#1206725
00:34 a111 Logged on 2015-07-19 22:04 mod6: <+phf> ben_vulpes: because makefile.unix expects them, (search for obj/nogui/%.o: %.cpp, etc.) << ben_vulpes yeah this stuff
00:34 mod6 yup, exactly.
00:34 mircea_popescu makefile bs. alright, well, i guess we'll need a test for file exists or some such hair.
00:34 mircea_popescu i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES.
00:34 mircea_popescu if you move /deps/ that'll work fine.
00:35 mod6 but I think now that we have the outside makefiles integrated and working well, maybe we can prune out those dirs and create them as needed? certainly worth looking into. certainly would be nice to get rid of those things finally
00:35 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES. << agree. there obviously needs to be a check in there - if the press directory already exists, warn the user and stop.
00:36 mircea_popescu something like that yeah.
00:36 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> if you move /deps/ that'll work fine. << this part is a bit more tricky. but might be possible.
00:36 ben_vulpes i'd rather it were transparently idempotent.
00:37 mircea_popescu are you playing with your cereal ?
00:37 ben_vulpes sorry. i'd rather it rip out the press target if it existed.
00:37 mod6 just automagically blow it away and create a new one?
00:38 mircea_popescu also not a bad way to go about it.
00:38 ben_vulpes seems the cleanest, least error prone thing to do.
00:38 ben_vulpes warning and stopping doesn't really help, as i see it.
00:38 mircea_popescu imagine if pregnancy worked this way. get girl pregnant, fuck her again a month later get her pregnant again, except timer reset.
00:38 mod6 blowing away someones dir without notice seems like the wrong approach, no matter how clean it might seem.
00:39 mircea_popescu would give "monastery" a whole new meaning.
00:40 ben_vulpes i ~never touch "pressed" source
00:40 ben_vulpes what would the point be? destroys press integrity.
00:40 ben_vulpes "oh i took this priceless jewel and scribbled my name in it"
00:40 mod6 hmm.
00:40 mod6 i just wanna be considerate before agreeing to this. i'll think on it.
00:41 ben_vulpes no rush
00:49 mircea_popescu mod6 well you delete his files, but he can regenerate them anyway, is the idea.
00:51 mod6 yeah, im maybe considering the bad-form-case where someone modifies the source of a pressed directory, forgets about his changes, comes back 12 years later, then re-presses over said changes, now lost.
00:51 mod6 but maybe this is just that, a bad-form-case. do not do this.
00:53 mircea_popescu he wouldn't keep them in any case
00:53 mircea_popescu i mean, wtf would it be, how'd he know what of his changes were kept in the first place
00:53 ben_vulpes "if it's not backed up, it's clearly not important"
00:54 mod6 there would be nothing to denote any said changes in a pressed directory.
00:54 mod6 ok. im with it.
00:56 mod6 this change is pretty trivial. probably will update V99994 before it comes out (was about to release this weekend). will need to add at least an automated test too. not a big deal.
00:57 mod6 the harder part is trying to move 'deps' ..//..
00:58 mod6 da faq. '../../..'
00:58 mod6 anyway. ya, something to look at.
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01:54 mod6 interestingly, i just tried moving 'bin', 'deps', and 'build' and all of their makefiles + a few small tweaks up ../../.. and was able to build.
01:55 mod6 problem will be with pressing and a vpatch. press wants to put everything underneath of the given press directory. not place contents adjacent to a press directory.
01:55 mod6 so that'll be the next thing to take a look at.
01:57 mod6 ('bin', 'build', 'deps', being adjacent, meaning, along side of 'patches', '.seals', 'v.pl', etc.)
01:59 mod6 this would leave, for instance, a 'trb' output press directory along side of the above stated dirs. of which, all that would be contained in there is a bitcoin directory, and the underlying 'src' directory.
01:59 trinque nah makefile can make those dirs if absent
02:00 trinque this is the kind of thing I provided defaults for, like what your copy of your checksum proggie is
02:00 trinque could do the same for deps path, provide some default, and if you want something else:
02:00 trinque make DEPS=/wherever/I/stick/it
02:03 mod6 like this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uuSiv/?raw=true
02:04 trinque whole idea is to get them outside the press, so you don't have to copy them in each time you press
02:04 trinque I tend to have a couple trees pressed right next to each other, when testing a patch, when writing my own
02:05 mod6 hmm.
02:05 trinque could just drag deps/Makefile into the root Makefile, and put the dep-files someplace else
02:06 mod6 that's fine. could just reference something like: ../../../deps/*.asc or something
02:06 mod6 but having it set up as i just did in the above paste is unpressable in current vtronics.
02:07 mod6 so yeah, something other than what I did is preferred (at least to me).
02:07 trinque makefile would make the dir, maybe ~/trb-deps as default, or w/e
02:07 trinque then they can sit there for the rest of your life and that's that
02:09 mod6 so either user creates ~/trb-deps and then pulls all .asc's from deedbot manually in offline mode. or makefile creates ~/trb-deps and pulls .asc files in `make ONLINE=1` mode and dumps files in there.
02:09 trinque sounds pretty sane to me
02:10 mod6 ok. i think we've got something we can work with. :]
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03:29 ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621508 << http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/457168#5d92aca92ced62e03899d87d78da10634bcdec1702ed3e2d3d084c083730bf9b
03:29 a111 Logged on 2017-03-03 17:25 asciilifeform: ( https://blockchain.info/tx/5da9e054f81716ff54fefa10fae3c025685faf5170d1b270b3384a3406d781e0 << typical example of tx spamola, in recent few blox. and yes i'd rather link to mimisbrunnr but it does not seem to have linkable tx knob presently. )
03:30 ben_vulpes actual tx in question: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/455604#5da9e054f81716ff54fefa10fae3c025685faf5170d1b270b3384a3406d781e0
03:36 davout asciilifeform: what's your rigorous criterion for spamolitude?
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07:47 mircea_popescu mod6 no, JUST /deps/
07:51 mircea_popescu and in other news, anyone with a background in sales who's damned good at it want a job ?
07:51 mircea_popescu b2b, not consumer.
08:00 asciilifeform in other lulz, guess wat mircea_popescu , meet usg's vapourware uci ! : https://golem.network
08:00 asciilifeform didjaknow.
08:01 mircea_popescu eh, im sure there's 500
08:12 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, panzers! ben_vulpes , trinque : trb node at dulap will be unavailable for next ~hour .
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09:18 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, panzers! ben_vulpes , trinque : dulap is back.
09:20 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ << Trilema - How I almost created a constellation of Bitcoin nodes
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09:46 Framedragger mircea_popescu: 8th item empty ^
09:53 mircea_popescu heh <li> rather than </li>
09:53 mircea_popescu fixt thanks
09:55 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5430D04B21F3EE28C51D7E1867FF1BCCBE4E8BF96D45617959BA1E68E225521B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 43 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.49.219.148 (ssh-rsa key from 67.49.219.148 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cpe-67-49-219-148.socal.res.rr.com. US)
09:58 asciilifeform ^lel
09:58 asciilifeform not so many of these.
10:07 Framedragger mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back.
10:08 Framedragger of making*
10:09 Framedragger (i guess "silently drop connections" (TCP DROP) from any non-whitelisted IP is one way around it, sorta.)
10:16 Framedragger (this is just to juxtapose topics of trb and gossipd for a second and to maybe show why some folks really like the lighthouse idea) :)
10:31 asciilifeform Framedragger: the problem with tcp isn't simply that enemy can insert an RST packet and make you blame your peer. (and whitelists do 0 against this.) but that it is very expensive , computationally, long before you have any idea who you're talking to.
10:31 asciilifeform ( you gotta reserve memory, for state, and cpu cycles to handle the socket )
10:32 Framedragger asciilifeform: hm, sure. (and i forgot about arbitrary RSTs by anyone in the path which destroy the session, heh.) do you know how the resource allocation compares to udp in a typical (say, linux kernel) networking stack?
10:32 Framedragger i'm sure it's less than that especially as you don't need to save state/session info
10:32 asciilifeform udp is stateless
10:33 Framedragger yes that i know, but you still gotta reserve things to parse things...
10:33 mod6 <+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, JUST /deps/ << ok.
10:33 asciilifeform Framedragger: on just about any reasonable unixlike, you can receive udp at the rate your nic can dish'em out
10:34 asciilifeform nothing is reserved per-packet other than the buffer where you put it (which is normally the same buffer for each incoming packet)
10:34 Framedragger aha. it's funny this little difference is 'forgotten' in most tutorials etc. heh.
10:35 asciilifeform ideally i wouldn't use udp per se, but udp-with-altered-protocol-number, per mircea_popescu's ancient idea
10:36 asciilifeform so as to be able to make a box that silently drops garden-variety udp spamola, if any comes
10:36 asciilifeform ( but to make alt-udp you gotta patch the kernel. )
10:41 Framedragger asciilifeform: can you not use raw sockets (with some kind of linux cap to allow program to open them without root), defining udp-like struct within? (i'm sure performance tuning may not be easy, i mean to achieve same level of optimisation as in kernel stack)
10:41 asciilifeform Framedragger: this is the raw device thread again, isnnit.
10:42 asciilifeform no i don't want to throw away what little separation linux provides.
10:42 asciilifeform if i did, i'd stuff whole thing into the kernel.
10:42 asciilifeform ( and skip the cost of the cpu ring switching )
10:42 Framedragger fair enough.
10:43 Framedragger also, ip packets with custom proto number would (1) stand out more easily to enemy, and could be more easily filtered out (vs. udp header with rng-data within) - see how chinese firewall blocked tor bridges etc etc; and (2) i'm sure quite a few appliances would filter them out by default (like how they filter out icmp, etc.)
10:43 asciilifeform Framedragger: remember, we aren't usg, don't have to STANDARDIZE FOR ALL TIME!!!111
10:44 asciilifeform folx can use whatever protocol number they want, so long as other end knows it.
10:44 Framedragger suresure, so maybe can choose to fuck (2).
10:44 Framedragger ah, you mean in that sense - sure.
10:44 asciilifeform if masquerading as, e.g., dns crapola, becomes important, then can set udp's
10:44 asciilifeform if rejecting udp spamola -- then != udp's. etc
10:44 Framedragger yeah. fixed 512 byte packet length udp, etc.
10:45 asciilifeform the important thing is to throw tcp straight into the shitcan where it belongs.
10:45 Framedragger (one day i'll dup up logs why tae fuck mircea_popescu allegedly filters out udp by default)
10:45 Framedragger yeah.
10:45 asciilifeform Framedragger: iirc he gets multimegatonne udp-amplified spamolade regularly.
10:45 Framedragger dig up*
10:45 Framedragger hah.
10:45 asciilifeform (from pwned konsoomer routers and such, organized into chumpnets)
10:46 Framedragger how do you amplify udp? i guess application-layer-specific stuff like bittorrent's uTP (which has some amplification vuln shit iirc), etc.; also, dns
10:47 asciilifeform Framedragger: 'amplified udp' refers to egregiously idiotic konsoomer appliances that send N udp packets 'back in reply' in response to 1 incoming. which of course has forged return addr.
10:47 asciilifeform (i.e. victim's)
10:47 Framedragger (for logs, http://engineering.bittorrent.com/2015/08/27/drdos-udp-based-protocols-and-bittorrent/)
10:47 Framedragger lol, internet of amazing.
10:48 asciilifeform Framedragger: it would not exist if it were not for silently complicit isps that route forged packets
10:48 Framedragger asciilifeform: forged as in e.g. where source ip addr != actual source?
10:48 asciilifeform well unless you are a telepath, you don't know 'actual source'
10:49 Framedragger well if you're the first hop..
10:49 asciilifeform BUT you in many cases ~do~ know that a given packet could not have originated from the supposed return addr.
10:49 asciilifeform aha.
10:49 asciilifeform or, often, second, etc.
10:49 Framedragger ah right, that, too.
10:49 asciilifeform folx who route it anyway -- are complicit in ddosism.
10:49 Framedragger yeah, good stuff, thanks ISPs
10:49 asciilifeform i suspect -- deliberately.
10:53 asciilifeform Framedragger: in the old #bitcoin-assets days, there was a bot, that idled under (afaik still unknown) names, and would target ddostron (used vulnerable konsoomer router 'upnp' for udp amplification) at anyone who logged in without using fleanode's 'cloak' feature (i.e. had visible ip).
10:54 asciilifeform this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.
10:59 Framedragger aha, good stuff, i guess the point is that this kind of ddos is *easy*.
11:00 asciilifeform Framedragger: ddos as a concept relies on something having a 'the ip'
11:00 asciilifeform if instead your box is an octopus of ip, and none of the clients have any business knowing ~all~ of the tentacles, the concept dissolves.
11:01 asciilifeform ( it is, for instance, impractical to ddos -- at least in the usual packet flood sense - 1,000 machines. or it would be the preferred form of attack against bitcoin, which it is not )
11:02 Framedragger heh that's why for logging i proposed http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt which includes some 'hidden' nodes. but, fleanode and irc are leaky and the whole 'cloaking' thing is snakeoil.
11:02 Framedragger asciilifeform: btw regarding bitcoin, sure re. 1000 machines but if/when there's only 15 or however many trb nodes....
11:03 asciilifeform at any given time, a few of these are ddosed.
11:03 asciilifeform but, notice, never all.
11:04 Framedragger i think it makes sense, thinking of the future, to eventually move to a model where there is no 'public trb node ip list'.
11:04 Framedragger (i'm sure not an original idea at all)
11:04 asciilifeform Framedragger: 'not having a list' is not a pill against enumeration, considering how bitcoin is fundamentally a 'promiscuous' syphilitic whore protocol
11:05 asciilifeform for so long as the nodes actually 'serve all-comers', they can be enumerated.
11:05 asciilifeform (and on the edges of the graph, you're stuck talking to heathens unless mining were somehow brought into the fold)
11:06 Framedragger ..which means that the latter should be dropped eventually, i guess (but then cue my question 'why not just work on trb-i if no compatibility with heathen prb network')
11:06 Framedragger right, right.
11:06 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619996 see thread. )
11:06 a111 Logged on 2017-02-28 13:38 asciilifeform: to wind it up, the casks algo is asciilifeform's attempt at the 'high vacuum pump' from earlier -- to get the max possible removal of something-to-allcomers element , to the extent possible without running an entirely closed wotronic system (and consequently turning into visa or swift)
11:08 asciilifeform Framedragger: at the risk of repeating old thread : there is no way to 'replace bitcoin with trbi'. it isn't a thing that can be done.
11:08 Framedragger i won't insist - you're right, we've already just had that chat on #b-a
11:08 asciilifeform ( what ~can~ be done is to build a thing that could function in place of a dead bitcoin. )
11:08 Framedragger sorry for making you repeat things.
11:08 asciilifeform but it ain't dead. not yet.
11:09 Framedragger right.
11:11 asciilifeform and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
11:14 asciilifeform it could quite easily go to where the lisp machine went.
11:15 asciilifeform folx with ~actual~ wealth (vs, say, usg payola, a la sv derps) tend to be ~very~ risk-averse when it comes to storage.
11:16 asciilifeform hence why we have 1 mircea_popescu , and not 2 or 3.
11:16 Framedragger you mean it would set a very bad precedent?
11:16 Framedragger 'cause comparing to chernobyl...
11:16 Framedragger i can see re. precedent tho.
11:17 asciilifeform Framedragger: every popped reactor emboldens several ~generations~ of idiots who LET'S BURN COW SHIT! ANYTHING BUT fission!
11:17 asciilifeform the damage is not in the mutated frogs, or the two dozen dead firemen, no.
11:17 asciilifeform it is in the empowered whinerism.
11:17 Framedragger yeah, i understand.
11:18 Framedragger then again, it'd be a more powerful filter to deter stupid people.
11:18 asciilifeform imho entire point of items such as bitcoin is as 'antibiotic' against massed stupidity.
11:19 asciilifeform 'ourdemocracy'
11:19 asciilifeform ( per mircea_popescu's piece )
11:25 asciilifeform i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'
11:35 asciilifeform this imho is why there is moar at stake than only a mechanized hawalatron.
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11:50 Framedragger tbh that log snippet in that post (http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/), "evidently new ssh is needed altogether" reads a bit like "oh i need to generate ssh key for this to work? well fuck ssh, obvs it's a pos."
11:50 asciilifeform Framedragger: nothing to do with keys
11:51 asciilifeform Framedragger: his ssh client mysteriously barfs when connecting to my sshd. (though nominally same versions..)
11:51 Framedragger just run it with -v for verbose output, meh.
11:51 asciilifeform and all permissions set correctly, key sitting right next to the others (that work), etc.
11:51 asciilifeform Framedragger: we did.
11:51 Framedragger ah ok.
11:52 asciilifeform dies with debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
11:52 asciilifeform Connection closed by < mircea_popescu's ip >
11:53 asciilifeform searching for this, yielded up megatonne of voodoo 'trythis!' idiocy
11:53 asciilifeform 'reduce the mtu on your nic!'
11:53 asciilifeform 'no, increase the mtu!'
11:53 asciilifeform etc.
11:58 Framedragger some suggest to try with stock openssh server, to see if same happens. anyway, curious if sshd_config on your end has custom knobs (e.g. prefers one crypto format over another), but i guess the whole thing's a timesink
11:59 asciilifeform Framedragger: holy fuck are you reading stackoverflow idiocies verbatim ?!
11:59 asciilifeform this ~was~ a stock openssh
11:59 Framedragger oh, did mp's client connect to server before, without autossh etc? need to confirm fingerprint
12:00 Framedragger no, not stackoverflow, an ML
12:00 asciilifeform same crapola, repasted 10,000 times on www
12:00 asciilifeform where some d00d has custom openssh
12:00 asciilifeform 0 relevance.
12:00 asciilifeform and no, no connection, it dies in the manner described
12:00 asciilifeform (and pointedly NOT described anywhere else)
12:01 Framedragger okay then. :(
12:02 Framedragger (i wonder if he tried just-ssh'ing, no autossh first. because he needs to answer "yes" to "trust this fingerprint?" prompt first, it seems. just that.)
12:02 asciilifeform yeS!!!
12:02 Framedragger ok, ok.
12:02 Framedragger then i retract my previous snappy remark. ssh lol.
12:03 asciilifeform interestingly, when he did interactive ssh minus the tunnel, he did get the 'OK' prompt
12:04 asciilifeform but with tunnel -- this.
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12:41 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D18213E74FBE771FDB7F8529CC00E30724669C3A6D9E66E5FED429E7F92EFD93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1450...5997 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.23.121.98 (ssh-rsa key from 80.23.121.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host98-121-static.23-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
12:41 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D18213E74FBE771FDB7F8529CC00E30724669C3A6D9E66E5FED429E7F92EFD93 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1496...4063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.23.121.98 (ssh-rsa key from 80.23.121.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host98-121-static.23-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
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13:07 ben_vulpes i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/
13:10 asciilifeform perhaps they forgot to pay for the coordinates-not-relayed-to-pirates-in-realtime service.
13:12 ben_vulpes forwarding is swiss cheese, i don't even think that's for sale
13:13 mircea_popescu o hi logs
13:13 asciilifeform ohai mircea_popescu
13:16 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626842 << of course there is. deny from all allow from this list.
13:16 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back.
13:17 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626858 << we already gotta patch the kernel to FUCKGOATS.
13:17 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 14:36 asciilifeform: ( but to make alt-udp you gotta patch the kernel. )
13:18 Framedragger luckily there's no conceivable way to forge "source ip" field in headers :p
13:18 mircea_popescu sure there is. but, not for garden variety gnome, not for free, etc.
13:18 asciilifeform attempts to secure tcp are duct tape.
13:19 mircea_popescu it is a tempting naivism to imagine the empire as a sort of frictionless monster, in which every limb gets full and impeded access to any tool it needs whenever it needs it. this however is not how any empire works irl.
13:19 mircea_popescu irl, the relative gain from "lording it over" the "lower" limbs that need tools to do their job is often more significant than the gain to the decident of the actual correct usage.
13:19 mircea_popescu this is periodically discussed in the logs, but i suppose pretty out there to grok.
13:20 mircea_popescu average gauleiter actually gains more from secretaries NOT HAVING ink ribbons so they can't do their job than from their HAVING ink ribbons and doing their job.
13:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu tends to approach from the (very practical) angle of 'cutting heads here and now', asciilifeform tends to approach from angle of 'how to permanently salt the slug'
13:20 mircea_popescu because every empire ever is backed by the trade in flesh, and well... the former pays in flesh. the latter - in scrip.
13:21 mircea_popescu yes, but then asciilifeform gets pissed off that the heads aren't cut :D
13:21 asciilifeform and mircea_popescu -- that the slug reinflates !11
13:21 Framedragger "you using ssh-keygen, are you out of your mind!1"
13:21 asciilifeform imho both are 'part of balanced diet'
13:21 Framedragger (granted, ssh-keygen is a pos.)
13:22 Framedragger pretty healthy dynamic i suppose
13:25 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626897 << while kid in question was in school or w/e.
13:25 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 14:54 asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.
13:26 mircea_popescu it's a not terrible "garage chemistry lab" project, costs maybe fiddy bux a month or such\
13:26 asciilifeform costs 0 if you already-have-with-what.
13:27 mircea_popescu if you already have with what it is prohibitebly expensive, because of opportunity costs
13:27 mircea_popescu wich is why rayon plant isn't engaged in the practice of "see kids, organic chemistry!" experiments
13:27 asciilifeform there is space in botnetdom between 'garage' and 'rayon plant'.
13:28 mircea_popescu sort-of how the bare-under-raincoat sexual behaviour is not common in men who get sucked off whenever they feel like.
13:28 asciilifeform this,yes
13:29 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626917 << just about.
13:29 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:08 asciilifeform: ( what ~can~ be done is to build a thing that could function in place of a dead bitcoin. )
13:29 mircea_popescu and the idea is to have it more or less ready before the prototype actually dies.
13:30 mircea_popescu which, considering the sad confluence of not dumb people who (self servingly, and shamelessly), "think" bitcoin code is perfect (hey, alpha dun wanna be bothered, yes ?) and imbeciles who "are being like suparheoes power rangers"... is a virtual certainty.
13:33 asciilifeform and the number of weaknesses carried over from bitcoin oughta be zero.
13:34 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 << yes. there's absolutely no argument that bitcoin dying on the enemy's terms would be an unmitigated catastrophe. chernobyl pales in comparison, it'd be on the level of "wheel is useless anyway" wisdom of dropped-on-head amerindians, or "oh pretty, spinning wheels" greek steam engine. utterly catastrophic. which is why eg http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/#selection
13:34 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:11 asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
13:34 mircea_popescu -293.0-292.1 ie, mp "who is not truly a billionaire because reasons" is more than willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of the coins.
13:34 asciilifeform noshit.jpg. did anybody think that mircea_popescu did it to scratch an itching toe ?
13:34 asciilifeform and yes it'll be exactly like heron's steam turbine.
13:35 mircea_popescu i have nfi what people think, but from eg mpoe-pr's experience, it'll be something shockingly stupid and in all the joins nonsequiturial.
13:35 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4F2FAFEF6AC083AB068672CB38503FCAE11F169E44DE76AD841B52979BBCA0F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1553...9793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.184.117.147 (ssh-rsa key from 195.184.117.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail81.trifork.com. DK)
13:35 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4F2FAFEF6AC083AB068672CB38503FCAE11F169E44DE76AD841B52979BBCA0F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...8737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.184.117.147 (ssh-rsa key from 195.184.117.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail81.trifork.com. DK)
13:36 asciilifeform 'Trifork is a leading full service supplier of high-quality custom-built applications and end-to-end solutions. ... We aim to empower our customers...' << lol!!
13:36 mircea_popescu anyway, and hence http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ and all the other countless mallets to the head of the agents of usgistan.
13:36 Framedragger ...and all this is exposed to ecdsa and the particular parameters (secp256k1) not breaking... ouch.
13:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wonder why they even bother spelling that shit out by now, truly should just have pictorgraphs.
13:36 asciilifeform it'll come.
13:36 mircea_popescu Framedragger a little more layered a pancake, but anyway.
13:37 asciilifeform ( as forecast by, e.g., sf writer neal stephenson, imbecilistan will devolve into pictographics )
13:37 mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know ? " We aim to empower our customers" = hun go wun bo = # ; "is a leading full service supplier of high-quality" = bing ding shing ling = @
13:37 mircea_popescu trifork #@!
13:39 mircea_popescu and in other hieroglyph lulz, me at travel agent, buying tickets. calls girl, "send so and so email a picture". beet red travel agent. "you know... i needed a copy of the passport". "what did you get ?" > nudegirl.jpg
13:40 mircea_popescu the stroke went the wrong way!
13:41 asciilifeform reminds me of a folk story from late '50s. shah of iran and his wife went to visit su. she, of course, takes entire household!111 literally, furniture and all, in classic eastern tradition;
13:42 asciilifeform then it turns out , little problem : not all of the gurlz in said household, have passports
13:42 asciilifeform she : 'whaddayamean, passports, they are my slaves'
13:42 asciilifeform 'you would not give passports to a furniture?'
13:42 mircea_popescu sounds about right.
13:42 asciilifeform eventually reached gromyko, who grumbled (su was signatory to 'anti-slavery convention') but managed to hush it up
13:42 asciilifeform let the 'furnitures' in, out.
13:43 mircea_popescu poor gromyko. he's like in half the jokes isn't he.
13:43 asciilifeform no less.
13:43 mircea_popescu (not inept soviet foreign minister, for the innocent)
13:47 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626924 << i've been on a long term quest to find young men who are rich and not mentally retarded. it's pretty slow going.
13:47 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:16 asciilifeform: hence why we have 1 mircea_popescu , and not 2 or 3.
13:48 asciilifeform !#seen mthreat
13:48 a111 2017-02-17 <mthreat> people who don't shower in jail/prison are called 'vikings', or another name in Spanish which I forget. There is peer pressure to not stink in there.
13:50 mircea_popescu amusingly, in an earlier, simpler time of "men inhabit bare stone dugouts together", the ability to not stink without washing was regarded as about half of what made monk a candiate for sainthood.
13:51 mircea_popescu to this day "pleasantly scented remains" is on the orthodox list of santly merits.
13:51 asciilifeform aha, and 'diy' self-mummificatory diet!111
13:52 asciilifeform ( more of, iirc, a hindu phenomenon than a christian one, but existed )
13:52 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626930 << it bears repeating that whinerism exists to be empowered only in those already fallen shitholes that do not http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/#selection-189.38-193.69
13:52 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:17 asciilifeform: it is in the empowered whinerism.
13:52 davout "รชtre en odeur de saintetรฉ"
13:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yep, afaik actually imported from india via persia and the lebanese/syrian/etc early christianhood.
13:52 davout asciilifeform: .jp thing i reckon
13:53 mircea_popescu davout yep exactly.
13:53 davout asciilifeform: Sokushinbutsu according to pedopedia
13:54 mircea_popescu 11th century is very late
13:54 mircea_popescu these discussions predate stilpniks, we're talking 4-3 bce
13:55 mircea_popescu i suppose it's stylite in english ?
13:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik there has not yet been birthed a civilization that has both reactors AND curbstomp-all-whiners. it is a theoretical possibility, like bricks of antimatter.
13:57 mircea_popescu gotta have an utopia.
13:57 mircea_popescu this one's way the fuck more appealing to my taste than "and everyone will be nice to everyone and there will be no poverty or suffering"
13:58 asciilifeform more or less what limonov wrote about while sitting in prison
13:58 asciilifeform 'can haz reactor + balls ?'
14:04 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626936 << this may be expedient, but it is not logical footing whatsoever.
14:04 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:25 asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'
14:05 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626939 << you don't see anything suspicious about machine coming up with two 60 digit long primes within subsecond times, Framedragger ?
14:05 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: nothing to do with keys
14:06 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626949 << mtu is epically irrelevant, seeing how the ping is 50ms in this particular configuration.
14:06 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 15:53 asciilifeform: 'no, increase the mtu!'
14:07 Framedragger mircea_popescu: i do. the inconsistency that my (naive) mind spots is the "eh empire is not powerful anyway" + "there is no current alternative for X than Y" in conjunction with "how dare you use Y!!!"
14:07 * Framedragger bbl
14:08 mircea_popescu two men land on deserted island, let's call them mrame pragger and fircea dopescu. they observe that a) monkeys are powerless b) there are no proper latrines and c) how dare you shit out in the open you stinked up the whole island. problem ?
14:09 mircea_popescu the ~only~ think these two fellows, mrame and fircea, ARE NOT going to engage in is any sort or kind of ancestor worship.
14:09 mircea_popescu because guess what ?
14:09 mircea_popescu NO FUCKING ANCESTORS, THAT'S WHAT.
14:22 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626970 << what is the tracking going to do ? suppose gf is under constant pinterst tracking. one day http://68.media.tumblr.com/925b61fbfa3cd5898068e2ba829ebd86/tumblr_n1ml06EKTm1sonex9o1_1280.jpg
14:22 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 17:07 ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/
14:22 mircea_popescu nao what.
14:23 asciilifeform send the detonation code ?
14:23 mircea_popescu lol right.
14:23 mircea_popescu leaving aside how that's uninsurable -- it's not even legal.
14:23 mircea_popescu (and if you're going to run an illegal boat ... in what sense was it hijacked by pirates. already was pirate yes ?)
14:24 asciilifeform killing pirates is quite kosher per 'law of the sea' last i knew
14:24 mircea_popescu having a boat that can self-destruct is not.
14:24 asciilifeform 100% of ships have kingstons.
14:25 mircea_popescu ssd cards ?!
14:25 asciilifeform no, the other kingstons
14:26 asciilifeform sea valve.
14:26 mircea_popescu what's the valve gonna do.
14:26 asciilifeform well, it's a 'self destruct'
14:26 asciilifeform just -- to the grief of many kriegsmarine folk -- slow
14:26 mircea_popescu i guess...
14:26 asciilifeform u.s. navy carries, iirc, scuttling charges, at least since pueblo incident
14:26 asciilifeform (and probably before)
14:26 asciilifeform it isn't a new idea by any means.
14:27 mircea_popescu well if you're using a us navy ship you're definitely a pirate.
14:27 asciilifeform anybody not a pirate ?
14:27 mircea_popescu kinda what piracy was all about, get a man o war.
14:27 mircea_popescu presumably tyhe people who lost the tanker.
14:29 mircea_popescu incidentally, i wonder how many people took a ho over to graf zepellin and fucked her there, during the 30s.
14:30 mircea_popescu (taking schoolgirl to abandoned / out of service train and fucking her is, i expect, kindergarten-universal yes.)
14:30 asciilifeform iirc this was standard, and on hindenburg also, each held about 20 mircea_popescus in comfortable little rooms
14:30 mircea_popescu so 100s ?
14:30 asciilifeform about.
14:30 mircea_popescu sag mir wo die Dicken sind!!1
14:35 * davout would love to visit asciilifeform and mircea_popescu's kindergartens
14:36 mircea_popescu hm
14:36 mircea_popescu o, right, there's no trains where you live. well... it's basically a tin can on wheels.
14:38 asciilifeform graf zepellin was a train on mircea_popescu's home planet ?!
14:38 mircea_popescu nah, just some perma-moored german ship. wanna-be carrier or such.
14:38 mircea_popescu why, did i imply it was a train ?
14:40 Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1627069 << i see your (nicely illustrated, heh) point, mk. ridoinculous has to be called if it's ridoinculous, sure
14:40 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 18:09 mircea_popescu: the ~only~ think these two fellows, mrame and fircea, ARE NOT going to engage in is any sort or kind of ancestor worship.
14:40 Framedragger called out*
14:40 mircea_popescu you'd be surprised how often the defense is "oh, nobody TOLD ME" when cornered.
14:41 mircea_popescu (this, fwiw, carries 0 water in mp's own dungeon. girl that had no way to know hangs just along well warned one. it IS a little chilling but what can you do.)
14:45 * BingoBoingo still continuing full sync experiment, less than 35 kiloblocks to go. Prolly should have sprung for an SSD.
14:50 davout BingoBoingo: welcome to the club
14:50 davout I'm syncing since last december
14:51 davout I should be current in a few hours \o/
14:51 BingoBoingo Well node's in August 2016, so made it past the mp-constipator block
15:06 mircea_popescu nice going
15:17 BingoBoingo Still has required a few resets to overcome crapolade blackholes, but far less common after passing block 400,000 compared to 250,000 -350,000 where PRB unordered shit spewing of blocks complicates things
15:17 BingoBoingo A least I suspect,
15:18 BingoBoingo no real srs diagnostics done. simply restarted bitcoind on freezes
15:20 mircea_popescu you know, i've been meditating on http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-22#887519 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586656 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616771 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623920 semanticolade.
15:20 a111 Logged on 2014-10-22 04:34 asciilifeform: but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin.
15:20 a111 Logged on 2016-12-20 19:16 asciilifeform: which potentially changes the semantics of EVERYTHING
15:20 a111 Logged on 2017-02-22 04:43 asciilifeform: (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.)
15:20 a111 Logged on 2017-03-09 20:33 asciilifeform: and incidentally this will also change the semantics of the block-saver, unless somehow kludged around (e.g. via locking)
15:20 mircea_popescu it would actually be VERY INTERESTING to have a semantics- unpreserving client. let's see dude, wtf DOES happen ?
15:21 asciilifeform well potentially ze bomb
15:21 mircea_popescu fuzzing ftw.
15:21 mircea_popescu how ?
15:21 asciilifeform (forkable)
15:21 mircea_popescu consider : ssh-tunnel ze bomb ? what diiference does it make.
15:21 asciilifeform accepts a block that ye olde trb wouldn'tve
15:21 mircea_popescu yes. and now you know.
15:21 asciilifeform only if the old one is still operating
15:21 asciilifeform sorta the point of trb.
15:22 mircea_popescu well obviously. that's the idea. do it know while they are.
15:22 mircea_popescu that's the fucking rule. something scares you ? DO IT NOW! now, that master's here, now thart you're still young and it heals, now, now, NOW.
15:22 asciilifeform sorta why i have the 'nqb' thing going.
15:23 mircea_popescu after all, dead & replaced trb === fork.
15:27 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/03/hard-freeze-threatens-washington-dc-cherry-blossoms-with-eradication-tonight/ << Qntra - Hard Freeze Threatens Washington DC Cherry Blossoms With Eradication Tonight
15:30 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: dunno about dc, but my cherryblossom had bloomed, and already had time to turn liquishit-brown last week
15:34 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well with these things even a mere 20 km can make a huge difference in timing
15:36 trinque chilly and sunny here in TX today, been enjoying it on the balcony all day.
15:36 davout so apparently "bitcoin unlimited" nodes are sniped off the network by some remote-crash bug
15:36 trinque onoes!
15:36 asciilifeform empire of lulz
15:36 asciilifeform srsly? bug?
15:36 davout i'm in their IRC room for lulz, it's absolutely delicious
15:36 asciilifeform davout: post lulzlog in the end
15:37 trinque inb4 bug being simply, a very large block.
15:37 davout https://twitter.com/jk_npg/status/841731541038383104
15:38 davout the vulnerability -> https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/841703197723021312
15:38 BingoBoingo davout: pls to submit qntra?
15:41 Framedragger :D so, if not "thing block", then CRASH (`assert(0)`)? A THOUSAND EYES
15:41 Framedragger "thin block" *
15:42 Framedragger "// TODO was drunk, change dis later"
15:43 Framedragger is there a way to short all these scamcoins easily? lol.
15:46 Framedragger (right, this is basically *remote* probably-easy way to make it crash. nice knob.)
15:46 davout BingoBoingo: will make an attempt
15:48 BingoBoingo ty davout
16:01 mircea_popescu davout what room ?
16:01 davout #bitcoinchat
16:02 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/14/a-quick-recipe-for-pressing-experimental-trb-trees/ << ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - A quick recipe for pressing experimental TRB trees.
16:03 mircea_popescu this is embarqassing, there's nobody there. buncha dorks on eg [marilyn] (~androirc@c-68-37-99-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net): Android IRC Client wtf.
16:04 asciilifeform doesn't look exploitable, sadly
16:05 mircea_popescu eh, who wants to exploit random luser.
16:05 asciilifeform well in the sense that it's a non-event, 0day-wise.
16:05 asciilifeform crashes, nao wat.
16:05 asciilifeform luser patches, goes back to lusering.
16:06 asciilifeform ( rather, than, say, weeping over his freshly formatted hdd )
16:06 mircea_popescu eh, it's not his women naked saved there anyway.
16:06 asciilifeform hey pete_dushenski didja actually get the tunnels to work ?
16:07 mircea_popescu the "consumer computing community" functions approximately as a spotty porn offline backup.
16:09 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i'll be working on it between a couple of my nodes this afternoon. got a slave set up. now.... master
16:09 davout BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MrPYS/?raw=true
16:10 mircea_popescu wd!
16:12 mircea_popescu Framedragger looks like we silenced 'em
16:14 davout BingoBoingo: feel free to edit ad lib obviously
16:18 mircea_popescu * marilyn has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) << dude... why. srsly nao.
16:24 Framedragger well now that it's fixxord i'm certain it's smooth sailing from here on.
16:24 mircea_popescu Framedragger the eth recipe is apparently un-fucking-escapeable, no matter what. like the fucking "restaurants" in the us, which WILL be feeding people HFCS no matter the fuck what and how it blows up.
16:25 Framedragger "the audience doesn't change, why should the food change"
16:29 pete_dushenski hfcs trend well underway : "Nobody was predicting what happened in Clarendon in 2016 -- a wave of failures that amounted to a local restaurant die-off. Within the space of a few months, nearly a dozen major restaurants closed their doors, many of them well liked by reviewers and locally popular, some of them fixtures in the neighborhood going back a decade or more."
16:29 pete_dushenski http://www.governing.com/columns/assessments/gov-cafe-urbanism.html
16:30 Framedragger pete_dushenski: wait they had GOOD REVIEWS ON YELP, omg HOW could they have failed
16:36 pete_dushenski lol somehow their cousins and cheap friends weren't enough to buoy the whole establishment
16:37 mircea_popescu this sounds eeerily like sushi.
16:37 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/03/bitcoin-altcoin-unlimited-experiences-drop-in-node-count-due-to-remote-crash-vulnerability/ << Qntra - "Bitcoin" (Altcoin) Unlimited Experiences Drop In Node Count Due To Remote Crash Vulnerability
16:38 BingoBoingo ty davout on your Qntra debut
16:38 mod6 nice
16:39 ben_vulpes > what is the name of your youngest child
16:39 ben_vulpes because that's a constant string in the universe
16:40 ben_vulpes > in what city does your nearest sibling live
16:40 ben_vulpes good god
16:40 pete_dushenski davout: a debutante is you!
16:41 davout mazeltov to me
16:41 ben_vulpes oh OH and then while the little javascripty checkboxes next to the fields of pointlessness show green the ACTUAL POSTBACK VALIDATION FAILS
16:41 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes by idiots for idiots!
16:41 ben_vulpes what the FUCK is the point of javascript if such RETARDS are going to wield it
16:42 Framedragger i personally have a special place in my heart for the static content websites which refuse to render a single legible char without heavy javascript. not that the rendered text is full of glorious content, of course
16:43 mircea_popescu i thought that's called ajax
16:43 ben_vulpes > is/are invalid
16:44 trinque Framedragger: is it one of those special places full of sadomasochism and despair?
16:45 Framedragger trinque: hah. only pure unfiltered rage - cleaner that way
16:48 Framedragger mircea_popescu: yer outta teh loop, you're supposed to abstract it with the great framework of jquery, no i mean angular, no i mean backbone, no i mean ember, no i mean react
16:49 ben_vulpes hey you take that back about jquery
16:49 mircea_popescu jguangktonembeact
16:49 ben_vulpes she is a CHASTE LADY
16:49 ben_vulpes does not deserve to be so lumped
16:50 mircea_popescu why does she lay with every two bit spamsite then ?!
16:50 ben_vulpes she's a slut not a whore
16:50 mircea_popescu oh, does it for free ?
16:50 Framedragger ben_vulpes: you may have a point i'faith. that said, _why_ is she so fat?..
16:50 ben_vulpes proud, upstanding slut with no pretension
16:51 mircea_popescu in other lelz, aparently trilema ranks for "the forums of the most serene republic". with the right article, too.
16:51 ben_vulpes Framedragger: that's not a nice way to speak about a girl who's so charitable
16:52 mircea_popescu venereal disease is supposed to thin one out. this is shenaniganich.
16:53 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes incidentally, ever run into one of those ? they're most common on teh western seaboard.
16:57 mircea_popescu anyway, i guess that whole BUTT thing was moderately entertaining.
17:03 Framedragger we missed out on quality butthurt because they have a private safespace channel heh.
~ 26 minutes ~
17:30 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: one of which? venereal-laden?
~ 20 minutes ~
17:51 mircea_popescu dedicated sluts
17:59 ben_vulpes not many, but yes
~ 31 minutes ~
18:31 mircea_popescu aha.
18:35 asciilifeform hey ben_vulpes do you have the binary versions of first few blocks handy ?
18:39 asciilifeform ok nm
18:39 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: ja, still want 'em?
18:39 asciilifeform nope
18:39 ben_vulpes kk
~ 38 minutes ~
19:18 ben_vulpes in other tls: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/certifi
19:20 trinque aha, they'll ignore your system root certs because fuck you
19:20 Framedragger asciilifeform: unrelated - re. fuckoff.c, aren't you supposed to register that sig_handler() to kernel first (via invoking signal()) for it to even work?
19:20 trinque ben_vulpes: openbsd's package for the thing is neutered to use the system
19:21 trinque not that it means much
19:26 Framedragger asciilifeform: just fyi confirmed that in fuckoff.c, sig_handler() code is redundant as the function is not registered. (adding `signal(SIGHUP, sig_handler);` in main() changes behaviour and fixes this)
19:37 asciilifeform Framedragger: yeah i forgot to cut it
19:37 asciilifeform it isn't needed
19:38 Framedragger i'm not too sure why you even needed a handler for HUP, it closes by default
19:38 Framedragger yeah
19:40 Framedragger mircea_popescu: ^ you can remove that sig_handler definition from fuckoff.c (as well as the signal.h #include) fwiw, as that that code won't ever be executed
19:40 * Framedragger nitpicker of most trivial things
19:41 asciilifeform i dun think this will make his ssh client work tho.
19:41 Framedragger mno :(
19:42 Framedragger god knows what's happening there
19:53 Framedragger owait it opened at $24 not $17, haha
19:53 Framedragger wrong tab, shit
19:58 mircea_popescu yeah that part was server-side.
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20:19 mircea_popescu Framedragger done
20:22 mircea_popescu aaand in other trumpreich, looks like the "consumer financial protection bureau" is going away entirely.
20:23 mircea_popescu (invented in 2010 among the boatload of dc-insider-centric pork dodd-frank introduced)
20:23 mircea_popescu liz warren's idea.
20:29 mircea_popescu pretty fine example of exactly why warren was so vocal (item was strictly a barony created so elizabeth warren could be barron OF SOMETHING). this cfpb item spent 55mn on "renovations" of its hq, ie more than the gsa spent that year on everything the usg owns ; spent immensely on travel (which is not something they do). the chairman is supposed to not be removable by the president except "for cause" (meanwhile that got strick
20:29 mircea_popescu en) and, lulzily, they came up with a system to "guess" based on reasons (such as zip codes and last names) who is a black applicant for loans, and then fined various usg agencies masquerading as banks by the 100s of millions for these alleged abuses. and they got it too, because settlement culture. and they didn't, of course, pay as much as a dime to the "estimated" victims, they being you know, "estimated" aka hallucinated,
20:29 mircea_popescu in plain language.
20:29 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the SOPS have been adamant in rejecting lawsuits against them.
20:30 mircea_popescu how exactly elizabeth warren isn't in jail atm is anyone's guess.
20:32 mircea_popescu (the people pushing for the dissolution of the thing are just as unprincipled, ftr. mostly a coalition of "payday lenders" ie 2nd generation loan sharks.)
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21:28 * asciilifeform reviewing vintage 'fixes', e.g., https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=102395 >> mircea_popescu tell me, how the fuck does caching ~invalid~ blox make any sense at all ?
21:28 asciilifeform how was this 'fix', any kind of fix.
21:30 asciilifeform 'Once the victim receives this invalid block, they will cache it on disk, attempt to process it, and reject it as invalid. Re-requesting the block will not be even attempted since Bitcoin believes that it already has the block, since it has one with the same hash.'
21:30 asciilifeform srsly wat.
21:31 asciilifeform !#s tv raft
21:31 a111 6 results for "tv raft", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tv%20raft
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22:18 asciilifeform BingoBoingo awake ?
22:19 asciilifeform i got a nooseitem comin'
22:20 mircea_popescu afaik ancient shitty code.
22:20 mircea_popescu guy pretty much explains it all, merkle tree is a poor hashing scheme by itself.
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22:38 mircea_popescu and in other lulz caer i mean eu is actually splitting up huh.
22:42 asciilifeform !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2FaQr/?raw=true
22:42 jhvh1 asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
22:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: except it's a fine hashing structure! the bug is not a bug : a block with one or more duped tx is ispo facto invalid (double spend.) and bitcoin has NO business keeping around 'hashes of' or any other part of an INVALID block.
22:46 asciilifeform with which to later reject a valid one having same hash.
22:46 mircea_popescu does a buncha padding which meh.
22:46 asciilifeform and what's that do
22:47 asciilifeform *ipso
22:47 mircea_popescu i dunno.
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23:04 mod6 Update from yesterday: The necessary change has been made to the forthcoming version of V (99994); if when pressing, the given output directory already exists, it will be removed, then will proceed to press new vtree.
23:04 mod6 There has been an automated test added for this as well.
23:06 mircea_popescu cool deal.
23:08 mod6 yup, still on target for this weekend.
23:10 mircea_popescu a nice
23:20 BingoBoingo ty asciilifeform
23:21 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/03/amazon-rolls-out-an-index-librorum-prohibitorum/ << Qntra - Amazon Rolls Out An Index Librorum Prohibitorum
23:23 mircea_popescu lmao
23:23 mircea_popescu some prime rib coming via mail to qntra these days
23:25 mircea_popescu the significant point, of course, being that the female state DOESNT EVEN DARE ADMIT IT. just like working class mom not buying kid shoes because $reasons, rather than because "i was too dumb when i was 20 to not be poor now that i'm 35 and look like 49, honey."
23:25 BingoBoingo For serious. Loving this submissions from other people business.
23:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: maybe try this piece in the heathen pits ( 'thedonald' etc )
23:29 * BingoBoingo contrary to popular belief not an all seeing eye.
23:29 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I am not welcome in that heathen pit
23:37 asciilifeform btw BingoBoingo this is a '0day scoop', afaik discussed nowhere.
23:38 asciilifeform asciilifeform's pet noticed it , directly, when browsing shitazon just few hrs ago.
23:39 mircea_popescu in that case...
23:51 * BingoBoingo still planting it in heathen pits
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