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00:20 ben_vulpes wat-as-hell pitfalls of modern timeshare scams: https://sysdig.com/blog/container-isolation-gone-wrong/
00:30 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes you know some dorks here built a shipping container church ?
~ 30 minutes ~
01:00 mircea_popescu and in random lulz : bus line in costa rica chose the facebook handle viajEROTICAbus
01:00 mircea_popescu to them it makes sense.
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02:58 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/nicaragua-es-un-pais-pobre/ << Trilema - Nicaragua es un pais pobre.
~ 49 minutes ~
03:47 * BingoBoingo somehow picked up a case of acedia this week
03:53 * BingoBoingo unsure if this is related to smoking cessation or alf's dosimeter hypothesis
~ 37 minutes ~
04:30 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/06/8-year-old-dorm-building-explodes-on-us-campus/ << Qntra - 8 Year Old Dorm Building Explodes On US Campus
04:43 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
04:43 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2574.02, vol: 9247.86861870 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2500.002, vol: 4360.78148 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2507.2, vol: 18481.94127152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2645.118, vol: 7894.08990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2568.003, vol: 6178.03593635 | Volume-weighted last average: 2551.62836146
04:44 BingoBoingo le sigh, still crashing
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08:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66C8EBEA4DE5ACA6EFC6B1B1BE33ECBCC9D4D64BD6D5F1CBEFC5818CE16AE914 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.4.16 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.4.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/78EEABCADE0AAF24BF0A74FFC4499719B490E7A27952560F9860F82FFF341545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.78.224 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.78.224 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 33)
08:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F1E48FD50BC89EFA18F3A63DFD88482CB3B74362F99077EA25B771FD7F10AFF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6687 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.246.76.198 (ssh-rsa key from 183.246.76.198 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
08:01 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66C8EBEA4DE5ACA6EFC6B1B1BE33ECBCC9D4D64BD6D5F1CBEFC5818CE16AE914 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1211...2273 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.4.16 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.4.16 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN)
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08:58 mod6 mornin' tmsr~
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09:17 mod6 lol "pierce labias"
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10:04 asciilifeform !$ssh 112.16.4.16 183.246.78.224 183.246.76.198
10:04 scriba ssh banner of 112.16.4.16 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
10:04 scriba ssh banner of 183.246.78.224 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
10:05 scriba ssh banner of 183.246.76.198 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
10:05 asciilifeform !#s comware
10:05 a111 12 results for "comware", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comware
10:05 asciilifeform aah the one where 'elite team of experts understands complex security issues'
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10:24 mircea_popescu lol dat qntra
10:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform by now that verbiage is as good as a paper comedy gold certificate of deposit.
~ 24 minutes ~
10:49 shinohai Good morning mircea_popescu o/
10:49 * shinohai is enjoying the Rhopalocera from http://trilema.com/2017/the-pulation-and-other-biodiversities/
10:50 mircea_popescu hey hey
10:51 shinohai Somehow I overlooked that gem, but better late than never!
10:51 mircea_popescu hehe
10:51 mircea_popescu lotta that on trilema. gets me all thew time too
10:53 shinohai Do you ever see any of the Morpho menelaus around where you are in Costa Rica? Those are my favorite.
10:54 * shinohai is amazed how these butterflies are like a coin flip. iridescent on one side, drab brown on reverse ....
10:54 mircea_popescu ive not seen one but i think they do exist here
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12:05 jurov http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/near-disaster-federal-nuclear-weapons-laboratory-takes-hidden-toll-america-s-arsenal
12:05 jurov US has no new/refurbished nukes for 4 years already
12:06 asciilifeform '...they gathered eight rods painstakingly crafted out of plutonium, and positioned them side-by-side on a table to photograph how nice they looked.' << lol! slotin spins in his lead coffin
12:06 trinque ah don't worry; Rick Perry has it under control.
12:09 mircea_popescu aha. was even lulzed vaguely in the logs last year iirc.
12:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform lead free solder coffin you mean!
12:09 mircea_popescu trinque to quote the rage of central america... "deeeeeespaaaacito... como lo hacen en puerto rico..."
12:12 trinque guy's job as texas governor was primarily to do nothing, and make sure the other parts of government did as much nothing as possible, too.
12:13 trinque in that, I can't dislike him *that* much
12:19 mircea_popescu heh. the sad times when the best you can hope for is the idle class staying idle.
12:28 asciilifeform re the nuke piece, for future reference :
12:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24C8F43F493C72D856EF2C8A9DB3AC6AE2B756D3768F5C16A03796C0FF7382B6
12:28 asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DA95DEB1AF3B1EC533CDDE163775E89F730AB7D3D149A2266DE6B74E0DEF75C2
12:28 asciilifeform ( and for some inexplicable reason i had to strip the headers, for these to get eaten )
12:28 asciilifeform and for some similarly inexplicable reason, neither derp had an extant pgp key of any serious age
12:29 mircea_popescu no, that part is explicable
12:30 asciilifeform 'Latest from our investigations White House spotlight: Tracking Donald Trump By The Center for Public Integrity February 13, 2017' << aaaah yes
12:30 asciilifeform explicable..
12:30 mircea_popescu for some reason they're obsessed with making the old man's life miserable by pestering him constantly.
12:31 asciilifeform pantsuit.org
12:31 mircea_popescu aha.
12:31 mircea_popescu it's a whole thing, "oh, PRESERVE HIS DRUNKEN TWEETS"
12:31 asciilifeform cofefefefefe
12:32 mircea_popescu as if that's how it fucking works, and pantsuits get to decide what is joe's public and what is joe's private communication\
12:32 mircea_popescu but if you look at it, whole movement is built on this thing. "hypocrisy" is how you say "we think we decide what other people say in public or in private" in pantsuit.
12:33 mircea_popescu and it's all cancer outgrowth from republican spleen, as it happens. that idea that republican "ideal man" is same in public and in private.
12:33 mircea_popescu except they';re trying tyo you know, make it opposable. to everyone but not themselves.
12:33 mircea_popescu typical hurr durr we did it retarddit.
12:33 asciilifeform hey if you lose the harem, and instead replace with fishwife, then from where is the 'harem vs forum' to come from.
12:34 asciilifeform d00d is then 'on the clock' 24/7/365, or goes the theory.
12:34 mircea_popescu same place it came this time : my fucking head
12:34 asciilifeform yes but mircea_popescu came equipped with a head.
12:35 mircea_popescu so why blame the confused slave playing the fishwife then
12:36 asciilifeform because trump is zhirinovsky
12:36 asciilifeform i.e. designated punching bag
12:36 mircea_popescu no i meant in your example.
12:37 asciilifeform ah, example was re how it is unclear to me that professional actors like 'potus' ~meaningfully have~ privatelives
12:37 asciilifeform they are characters in 'realityshow'
12:37 asciilifeform d00d prolly at this point has ss cameras filming him taking a shit, from 4 angles.
12:38 mircea_popescu only becausde he lets them.
12:38 asciilifeform what sort of 'private life' has someone who shits in supervga.
12:38 asciilifeform iirc he tried 'not let', it didn't quite work
12:38 mircea_popescu i didn't let my security ppl follow me around all the time.
12:38 mircea_popescu and this was at a time people were actively trying to shoot me.
12:38 asciilifeform yes but mircea_popescu's security folx for ~for mircea_popescu~ and not for 'our demoocracy'
12:39 mircea_popescu now that is very true.
12:39 mircea_popescu still, you know. buy a hammer tear down the toilet cameras, anyone who tries to fix is fired.
12:40 mircea_popescu and also, this fucking car goes where i say it goes, not where you say it goes. and if you don't like it you're getting shot.
12:40 asciilifeform iirc he was last seen trying to hammer the cameras in 'security council'
12:40 asciilifeform which ended with ~his~ appointees there being sacked
12:40 asciilifeform while lizards -- retained
12:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this'd likely end with a gorbachev-like 'mr. president is not feeling well today, or this week, needs his rest' while pantsuits take the wheel.
12:41 phf i saw a lot of covfefe signs all over seattle, next to "#blm" etc.
12:41 asciilifeform ( but i dun work in this circus, so nfi )
12:42 asciilifeform phf: uni of md. vicinity, and much of dc, are covered in 'trump as ru stooge' stickers, complete with (yes) hammers an' sickles
12:43 phf the meme is stronger than the thought
12:43 mircea_popescu the bad meme pushes the good thought out of the skull.
12:44 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it's a whole thing, "oh, PRESERVE HIS DRUNKEN TWEETS" << Herr Tritler doesn't drink
12:44 mircea_popescu "drunken tweet" as a single item :p
12:44 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: being old is sorta like drinking
12:45 BingoBoingo Well, "dry drunk"
12:59 phf https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068 << "In Ubuntu 17.04 or newer, there is a script at /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news that reads https://motd.ubuntu.com/ and displays that text with the rest of the MOTD. Currently, https://motd.ubuntu.com shows a news item about HBO's Silicon Valley which has a reference to Ubuntu."
13:04 mircea_popescu "but it works!"
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13:32 BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
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13:34 mircea_popescu ahahah
13:34 mircea_popescu last generation to own anything is dying now.
13:34 asciilifeform mostly dead
13:34 mircea_popescu welcome to the undeclared soviet republic.
13:36 asciilifeform i prefer the original one, where, e.g., asciilifeform's folx had 4 metre ceilings and paid 0 rent and 0 mortgage
13:36 mircea_popescu hey, wehn was the sequel an improvement
13:36 asciilifeform lolyes
13:36 mircea_popescu it's called sequelae for this reason
13:38 asciilifeform re the confiscation : welfaristans fear sham-indigence like elephant fears mice
13:38 asciilifeform it's the sure siphon by which it can be drained dry.
13:39 mircea_popescu it's how the 4m ceilings one died.
13:40 mircea_popescu this is the perpetual bait and switch : "fuck you, be useful" creates a lot of people with repressed needs. it APPEARS that "to everyone according to his needs" will then turn a profit. get themn to vote you, pay their tiny needs, make bank.
13:40 mircea_popescu then the needs baloon.
13:40 mircea_popescu and all that's lefty in place is a stable of needy people with no utility.
13:45 asciilifeform if ~anyone actually wanted usd enough to pay bitcoin for it en masse, even nickel-on-the-dollar's worth, usg would evaporate in a week.
13:45 asciilifeform ( i.e. if 'lafond's mother' could cash in, even at a loss, the house into non-usgolade )
13:46 mircea_popescu aha.
13:46 asciilifeform in ye olde su this was accomplished somewhat differently -- by physically cutting apart the, e.g., laboratory where you worked, and selling to faceless bagmen who carried it abroad
13:46 mircea_popescu which is why that's the idea : take all the credit card debt you canm, buy btc, mexico.
13:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik this is only dampered today by the lack of folx willing to part with btc
13:47 mircea_popescu even unemployed mouthbreather can get 10-20k. in a decade that'll be enough.
13:48 asciilifeform supposing no http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1627008 .
13:48 a111 Logged on 2017-03-14 17:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 << yes. there's absolutely no argument that bitcoin dying on the enemy's terms would be an unmitigated catastrophe. chernobyl pales in comparison, it'd be on the level of "wheel is useless anyway" wisdom of dropped-on-head amerindians, or "oh pretty, spinning wheels" greek steam engine. utterly catastrophic. which is why eg http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/#selection
13:48 mircea_popescu so if that happens you're where you were anyway.
13:50 asciilifeform but enemy, hypothetically, ahead '+9000%', having successfully swallowed everything folx moved into btc
13:50 mircea_popescu i don;'t follow ?
13:50 asciilifeform well in a maximally ghastly 'death of btc' scenario, usg slowly alchemates/inflates it
13:51 asciilifeform rather than 'whole thing evaporates overnight'
13:51 mircea_popescu the indigent will still be indigent, and "medicare"
13:52 asciilifeform aha, and the show, refueled, gets to go on another century
13:52 asciilifeform this'd be rather like germany taking stalingrad and the petrowells
13:52 mircea_popescu it'd have done ~nothing.
13:53 asciilifeform why so sure..?
13:53 mircea_popescu because i did the maths.
13:54 mircea_popescu petrowells schmetrowells. germany had lost all its human resources throughtout a century and a half of inept management to the us.
13:54 asciilifeform could've regained, as slaves.
13:54 mircea_popescu all the aryans making up 55% of the us 120mn weren't gonna come back to berlin and man stalingrad wells.
13:54 mircea_popescu instead they were gonna man docks in pittsburgh
13:54 asciilifeform hard to picture them not coming back to a victorious germany
13:55 mircea_popescu germany's problem was sparta's problem -- all the raw materials in the world can't make another spartan.
13:55 asciilifeform where bach instead of josephsmith
13:55 mircea_popescu only spartan women can, and they're hard to lay.
13:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform so then you agree stalingrad was irrelevant militarily
13:55 asciilifeform i dun follow
13:56 mircea_popescu the question is the 60 or so mn germans thinking themselves americans
13:56 mircea_popescu not some shithole in russia
13:57 mircea_popescu hitler fell for the eternal patnsuit scam, invaded russia to sell to some white old women in europe the notion that "bolshevik threat". bad trade
13:57 asciilifeform serious problem in the original germany : scarce and cruddy fuel , from fischer-tropsch ( which they only even had to begin with because of those 60.. )
13:57 mircea_popescu never take the old woman side, she's a born loser.
13:57 asciilifeform this yes.
13:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ~only problem of reich was irreplaceable people.
13:57 mircea_popescu which is why break of pact was a stupid move. trade the expensive for the cheap.
13:58 mircea_popescu stalin would have been fucking thrilled to sell hitler that same oil he never got. and for almost nothing : just instruction manuals on how to kill his slaves to build industrial empire.
13:59 mircea_popescu 1mn german trainers whipping russian mujicks into the ground would have produced 10x more for the reich than 5mn soldiers did.
13:59 mircea_popescu !!up mats
13:59 deedbot mats voiced for 30 minutes.
13:59 mircea_popescu !!up maxidev
13:59 deedbot maxidev voiced for 30 minutes.
14:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'stalingrad' hypothesis was not re 'germany wins' but rather 'prolongs the agony' -- could have easily finished wrecking the not-yet-wrecked half of europe, say.
14:00 mircea_popescu problem is -- people don't know how to commit. (naked, bitch! so what if people can see your perecious cuntlet ?). and when.
14:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform allies did that.
14:00 mircea_popescu germany -- not a windowpane. uk+us - famine in pairs.
14:00 asciilifeform well picture another 5 yrs of it.
14:01 mircea_popescu paris*
14:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is what it got anyway innit.
14:01 asciilifeform or 10.
14:01 asciilifeform at least paris didn't get, e.g., nuked.
14:02 asciilifeform which is how that opera may well would have ended.
14:02 mircea_popescu or do i need to dig up the threads about us "regulator" "fining" japanese co ? or the one where other japanewse co built shit and usg dun feel obliged to pay ? or ?
14:02 mircea_popescu oh, "at least" huh ? i thought this at least didn't figure in your books in earlier discussion re correct move.
14:02 mircea_popescu "at least" is the pregnant woman solace.
14:03 asciilifeform waiwat
14:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> but enemy, hypothetically, ahead '+9000%', having successfully swallowed everything folx moved into btc
14:03 mircea_popescu but hey -- at least they got some tequilla!
14:03 mircea_popescu how come you didn't have that there -- have it here ?
14:03 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> then the needs baloon. << Healthcare!!!
14:04 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll admit to a complete puzzlement re which 'it' i 'have there' 'and not here'
14:05 mircea_popescu asciilifeform when we were discussing how the loser should treat the usg, ie, borrow and steal, move it to btc, and run away, you pointed out that "if btc fails, then the evil empire of usg is that much better positioned", but did not say "at least the folks trying enjoyed the try"
14:05 mats hello friendos
14:05 asciilifeform ohai mats
14:05 mircea_popescu wehn we are discussing geopolitics, ie, counbtries not people, ie your lazy ass bias not kicking into max gear and =silencing your brain, you do not say, or evenm see "evil usg empire better position"
14:06 mircea_popescu you instead say "oh, at least they" line.
14:06 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'better position' i admit is a poor phrasing. moar of 'give arsonist 10x the petrol'
14:06 mircea_popescu same in both cases.
14:07 mircea_popescu and the "at least" is same in both cases.
14:07 mircea_popescu and you see one in one case and the other in the other case.
14:09 asciilifeform let's briefly revisit ye olde su, which afaik was largely nailed by folx ~not producing~, rather than spiriting $goodies away overseas
14:09 mircea_popescu well, folks deciding to need more and make less every day
14:09 asciilifeform now say they instead had produced, and thinking it were theirs ('charging btc battery'). and then -- inca gets it.
14:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform bad plan to produce while there's inca around. revisit the ancients -- it is shameful for man to work plow like beast of burdewn wehn he could be soldier and plujnder.
14:10 mircea_popescu this view is correct -- while usg stands, it is shameful for man to work. man must steal.
14:11 asciilifeform same failure mode tho -- you go around pirateing, yarrrr, and storing treasure in btc, but in the end it turns out you were privateering for inca
14:11 mircea_popescu at least you raped instead of "performance review"
14:11 asciilifeform tru!!
14:12 mircea_popescu no. the time to work, is when there's no sovereign in sight but tmsr
14:12 asciilifeform but it is a sad fate to rape an' pillage only to feed a platoon of performancereview.
14:12 mircea_popescu when there's other pretenders, the ~only work to do is take their shit.
14:12 mircea_popescu which is why maersk is paying republicgeld now.
14:13 mircea_popescu and the us congress will. and everyone else.
14:13 asciilifeform hey if they get tired, could always consider not runningmoarwinblowz
14:14 mircea_popescu no. that's the point -- they could not.
14:14 mircea_popescu might as well ask byzantine army that if they get tired might stop believing jesus is in the sky.
14:14 asciilifeform this is a point.
14:15 mircea_popescu they'll lose their worthless body here to accumulate great fortunes in the myfolder future!
14:15 mircea_popescu or w/e the shit's called, MyDocuments
14:15 asciilifeform MyRapeMeat
14:22 asciilifeform upstack : i suspect that the situation re 'borrow mortgage and run away into btc' is entirely similar to old su 'run into dollars'. many (most?) would have nodded to 'sell motherland', 'but nobody's buying her!'
14:23 mircea_popescu any ustard can get 10-20k cash nqa.
14:23 mircea_popescu they spend 10x that on "tuition"
14:23 asciilifeform yes but who wants to trade bitcoin for these
14:23 mircea_popescu there's markets.
14:23 asciilifeform afaik markets want actual-usd, not chargebacktronium
14:24 asciilifeform per mircea_popescu's 'tide' article.
14:24 mircea_popescu obviously you pay in cahs.
14:24 asciilifeform for some values of 'you', lol
14:24 asciilifeform for other values, it is like buying strela.
14:24 mircea_popescu if you can't buy btc for cash you aren't a person. that is the minimum bar of personhood.
14:25 asciilifeform 'friendly d00d' will immediately materialize to 'sell you btc for bag of benjies' and free room-an'-board-for-20y next
14:25 asciilifeform asciilifeform apparently is not at all a person.
14:25 mircea_popescu work on it!
14:25 asciilifeform can table, chair, 'work on it' also and become person ?
14:25 asciilifeform where do they start ?
14:25 mircea_popescu these "Dangers" are very much hallucinated. chick i bought car from (for cash!) was totally petrified of you know, having money.
14:25 mircea_popescu teh slave habits are strong in the herd.
14:26 asciilifeform trip over policeman in usaschwitz --> lose the cash
14:26 asciilifeform as is documented to death
14:26 asciilifeform ( soon to be : not merely the cash in your pocket, but whatever is in your car/house/bank )
14:26 mircea_popescu so ? it was freeby anyway.
14:26 mircea_popescu pretty srue they've been stealing cars for >decade byu now.
14:27 asciilifeform cars yes. 100%confiscation a la stalin -- not yet, generally
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15:57 asciilifeform in other noose ! nao we have comba's algo multiplier as basecase in karatsuba (currently threshold 8 words) , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673165 becomes now 7.5sec
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15:57 a111 Logged on 2017-06-21 16:44 asciilifeform: ( 8192bit exponentiation: ~10min with egyptological mul; 20.5s was with first-grade mul; 17.7 with karatsuba posted today )
15:57 asciilifeform this is still nogood.jpg
15:58 asciilifeform ( for comparison, python (internally gmp) takes 0.016s )
15:59 asciilifeform computation of 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ** 0x80
15:59 asciilifeform ( and yes, it cheats, not the least of it being that it STOPS after 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, rather than doing the other 8192-N bits )
16:11 mircea_popescu heh
16:11 mircea_popescu so give it 0x1(0)FF
16:11 asciilifeform nao where do i get a 470x speedup.
16:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: give which
16:12 mircea_popescu python
16:12 mircea_popescu 0x1(0)FF* 0x80
16:12 asciilifeform i dunno how to read that
16:12 mircea_popescu one followed by 8184 0s followed by 8 1s
16:12 asciilifeform y'mean, say, 2**8192 - 1 ah
16:12 asciilifeform it doesn't do same thing tho
16:12 asciilifeform will end up a 100MB turd
16:12 mircea_popescu i'd have thought it's within rounding error.
16:13 asciilifeform recall, we're FFA, and they're non-F
16:13 mircea_popescu oh this is exp not mult ?
16:13 asciilifeform aha!!
16:13 asciilifeform but ~uses~ mult, naturally, inside
16:13 asciilifeform ( see src )
16:13 mircea_popescu 0x1(0)FF** 0x1
16:14 asciilifeform nogood
16:15 asciilifeform happens in O(1)
16:15 asciilifeform i suppose i'm stuck actually measuring time of N (large N) mult ops, rather than exp
16:15 asciilifeform (measuring interval of ~one~ is impractical)
16:16 asciilifeform 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ** 0x80 was picked because the answer actually occupies 8192 bits.
16:16 mircea_popescu can it do negative powers ?
16:17 mircea_popescu not yours, py gmp i mean
16:17 asciilifeform it - sure
16:17 mircea_popescu so do ^ -1
16:17 mircea_popescu 8192 bits, will have to be all touched.
16:17 asciilifeform that's an op that has ~0 relation to anything we do
16:17 asciilifeform (it produces some float liquishit )
16:18 mircea_popescu should give an indication of time, i guess
16:18 mircea_popescu very looosely comparable, granted
16:18 asciilifeform mno, it translates to a 1 / x
16:18 mircea_popescu meh, ^ 1/2 i meant :D
16:22 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ << Trilema - The Universal Plan for Wealth
16:22 mircea_popescu ^ RFC svp.
16:22 * mircea_popescu intends to make this into a noob focus.
16:27 asciilifeform soooooo i measured time of 10,000 8192b mults,
16:28 asciilifeform us: 1.49s
16:28 asciilifeform them: 0.345s
16:28 asciilifeform which is quite a way less ghastly
16:30 asciilifeform and when test is 0x2fffffff.....ff * 0x4ffffffff....fff (8192 b.) so as no 0s to 'cheat' with, then they : 0.7s
16:31 mircea_popescu this is actually nb.
16:31 asciilifeform so we run at almost 50% speed of gmp, for straight mult, which is notbad.jpg, and can be improved ( less copying of intermediates )
16:31 mircea_popescu basically the other side of the "constant time" coin is that... YOU GET CONSTANTTIME, BITCH.
16:31 asciilifeform aaaha.
16:31 mircea_popescu what DID you think "fork on secret bits" does.,
16:31 asciilifeform plus dun forget WE ALSO CHECK BOUNDS ON ALL ARRAY ACCESSES
16:31 asciilifeform which costs quite >0
16:32 mircea_popescu yet once more poverty is the edge distinguishing man from nigger.
16:32 asciilifeform how here
16:32 asciilifeform ?
16:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is also the problem of shitty profiling, times may not be accurate as measured.
16:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because they can't afford to not fork-on-secrets
16:32 mircea_popescu "no time!"
16:33 mircea_popescu "computers cost money"
16:33 mircea_popescu etc.
16:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no matter how you cut it, however, i dun have a battery that will power a keygeneratory-capable comp for a month. and neither does anybody else.
16:33 asciilifeform ( much less a year )
16:34 mircea_popescu and i don't have a slave that eats jam and shits whole prunes. NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE is the controlling bit.
16:34 asciilifeform tru
16:34 mircea_popescu some things, could be had but aren't ; other things can't be had so we don't have them. what can you do.
16:34 asciilifeform but i'll observe that this plane still weights a little much to get off ground
16:34 mircea_popescu i don't see the problem. i got power.
16:34 mircea_popescu who says must be done on battery.
16:35 asciilifeform let's say yer willing to live with mains ( or petrol, lol ) power.
16:35 asciilifeform but can live with month+ gen time ?
16:35 asciilifeform PER MODULUS
16:35 mircea_popescu i lived 5 years on this key.
16:35 asciilifeform yes but you don't purersa with it.
16:36 mircea_popescu that i don't.
16:36 asciilifeform because there, not only gen problem, but each shot.
16:36 mircea_popescu so in this sense (not yet ready to shave the combined rsa-symkey model) not ready to fly.
16:36 asciilifeform aha
16:37 mircea_popescu at least this has a valid reason to symkey.
16:37 asciilifeform is whole point of the ffa thing
16:37 mircea_popescu and we have decent hash functions now.
16:37 asciilifeform which also takes eons
16:37 asciilifeform ( i seem to recall 10minute hash times )
16:37 mircea_popescu depends on size. we never had a decent profiling of impls iirc.
16:38 asciilifeform will soon enough, when i polish off ffa
16:38 mircea_popescu was next step but sina moved to gossipding
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16:38 asciilifeform but will observe that we can get something like a 8x speedup 'for phree' if use MUL instr. inlike instead of the http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/RSu5T/?raw=true horror show.
16:39 asciilifeform ( yes that's what you end up doing JUST TO GET THE UPPER 64bits of result !! )
16:39 asciilifeform which is PRODUCED ANYWAY EVERY TIME YOU MUL srsly
16:39 * asciilifeform froths in fury every time he things about this
16:40 asciilifeform *thinks
16:41 mircea_popescu hm
16:41 mircea_popescu inline you mean ? so what's the problem with that ?
16:41 asciilifeform that it'll blow away the 'this is exactly same on all bitnesses' algebra
16:42 mircea_popescu tsk ya that
16:42 asciilifeform now we'd have a turd of #ifdef and asmolade
16:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/#comment-122297
16:52 asciilifeform it is mind-boggling, ~all major cpu have had 2word-outputting MUL instr for, what, 30 years. and NO compiler actually gives you, by default, the top half of it !!
16:53 asciilifeform Because It Would Be Wrong (tm)(r)(uncle al)
16:53 asciilifeform i wouldn't even be surprised if the explanation for this turns out, in the end, to be an usgological one
16:53 asciilifeform ( just as in the old smoking gun, where it came out that nsa delayed the introduction of POPCOUNT instr )
~ 18 minutes ~
17:12 mircea_popescu asciilifeform answered.
17:23 mircea_popescu 122k comments. that's... kind of a lot.
17:28 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
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17:29 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> any ustard can get 10-20k cash nqa. << Nah, they might... if they are lucky may touch ~1.5-3 kilodollars cash
17:31 mircea_popescu provided they spend a mon-fri interval applying for all the possible credit cards they can find, and then spending saturday hitting all atms ?
17:31 mircea_popescu it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ?
17:32 asciilifeform yes and no
17:32 mircea_popescu for the record, i will state that the average chinese dood will be supported by the chinese govt with 1-300k usd to open shop abroad.
17:33 mircea_popescu which is why all the africa/south america/etc supermarkets etc.
17:33 asciilifeform most you can get ~in benjies~ (i.e. atm) is typically 1k
17:33 asciilifeform per card
17:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform a day, neh ?
17:33 asciilifeform month
17:33 mircea_popescu so hit it 29th and 2nd
17:33 asciilifeform or rather, till pid
17:33 asciilifeform paid
17:33 asciilifeform off
17:33 mircea_popescu eh wtf. they distinguish atm from pos ?
17:33 asciilifeform yes
17:33 mircea_popescu lmao.
17:34 asciilifeform universally
17:34 asciilifeform 10x higher interest, even
17:34 mircea_popescu and yet "everyone" acts as if they have nfi what mp is saying re usd being ~worthless ?
17:34 asciilifeform i'd bet most inmates have some idea.
17:34 mircea_popescu anyway. the amounts are not relevant. the plan is "get all you can and get out".
17:35 mircea_popescu if all you can get is a nail, get the nail.
17:36 asciilifeform and after traded the nail for food in liquishitistan, then what
17:36 asciilifeform or is it 'female' to ask
17:36 mircea_popescu then life.
17:36 asciilifeform the nicaragua shitlife eh
17:37 asciilifeform i'll take my wagner ty
17:37 mircea_popescu it is generally the argument of the pig in farm that the forest has wolves, and no clearly market slop through.
17:37 mircea_popescu this is broadly correct -- forest will not support same headcount of pig per acre as pig farm does.
17:38 mircea_popescu but then again -- it was "plan for wealth" not "plan for survival". there's no such thing as a wealthy farmed pig. definitionally -- wealth of farm belongs with farmer.
17:38 asciilifeform everett
17:39 mircea_popescu in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well.
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17:39 asciilifeform could play same game without leaving home: connect rng to pistol, if fails to produce shitoshi privkey - bang
17:40 mircea_popescu it's not the same game except in the estimation of those who'd play it.
17:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: short+well is what we get here already...
17:40 mircea_popescu it is ?
17:41 asciilifeform aha, prolly not a decade left
17:41 mircea_popescu then i suppose there's no problem to solve.
17:42 * mircea_popescu wouldn't have intuited alf thinks he lives well, prior to this moment.
17:42 asciilifeform hey i 'sleep ad lib'
17:42 trinque !#s from:asciilifeform hovel
17:42 a111 13 results for "from:asciilifeform hovel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20hovel
17:43 asciilifeform trinque: compared with life of fugitives with 0 social skill, my hovel wins +90000%
17:43 mircea_popescu it's good and bad, depending on context!
17:43 mircea_popescu the life of the mind, and its advantages.
17:43 asciilifeform lol
17:44 mircea_popescu as a protection against change, it is a great life. except of course, as a justification of inertia, it is a terrible life. pick and choose, if it's why not move then it's because life is good, if it's why don't you have your boatirigible it's because life's bad.
17:44 mircea_popescu check it out, alf's dreidl.
17:44 asciilifeform i'm a hill climber, wat
17:44 mircea_popescu whassat ?
17:45 asciilifeform no move unless >current
17:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly i thjink you will be recalled as a sort of st peter-thomas in the eventual church.
17:45 asciilifeform lolmebbe
17:45 mircea_popescu not a bad role, either.
17:45 * asciilifeform brb,tea
~ 16 minutes ~
18:02 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it tightened that badly already, all usoviet is good for is ~decent restaurant meal ? << That's based off of the free student loan money conduit. Eat 20 kilodollars in debt, get less than 10 % in paperable for "living expenses"
18:03 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo chick i aspirated on the tail end of this owes like 1/4mn to usg according to usg, and wasted about 60k on pot and stupid shit. "living expenses" ie "i was by myself and they were giving me money. what."
18:03 BingoBoingo Aha
18:04 mircea_popescu now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community".
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18:04 * BingoBoingo similarly drank ~40-80 kilodollars of USG/Bank money between 2004-2012
18:04 mircea_popescu this with no prejudice to your figure re "what can actually be had in hand"
18:05 BingoBoingo Mostly between 06-08 After 08 rate of allowed cash access constricted
18:05 mircea_popescu i c.
18:05 mircea_popescu i'm working on old almanacs here, as i don't tend to seriously talk to 19yos.
18:05 BingoBoingo i.e dollars that don't go straight to college bezzel office
18:06 BingoBoingo Well, the shithole rarely starts smelling better on its own
18:06 mircea_popescu aha
18:10 BingoBoingo Putrefecation sustains itself, always getting worse.
18:22 asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676497 << definitely working with old almanacs nao. today 20k dun even buy a toyota.
18:22 a111 Logged on 2017-06-29 22:04 mircea_popescu: now, evidently they have time-locks and other safeguards on the whole bullshit. but as a factual matter average redditard will have wasted no less than 20k in cash by the time he's "established" in "the community".
18:22 asciilifeform a TWO-DOOR toyota.
18:22 mircea_popescu a lawnmower!
18:23 asciilifeform just about
18:23 asciilifeform buys one of those ridable tractor things.
18:23 mircea_popescu 8 or so btc.
18:24 asciilifeform ... or 80% of an old orloltron
18:24 mircea_popescu very much more than enough for average derp.
18:24 asciilifeform enough to what ? pay for christian burial ?
18:24 mircea_popescu future holds room for maye 10-20mn humans. ~1btc is the table stakes of living on earth
18:24 asciilifeform then even old asciilifeform is covered
18:25 asciilifeform but somehow skeptical that 1btc.
18:25 mircea_popescu "even". you're way ahead of teh curv.e
18:25 asciilifeform lolk
18:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform numbers dun lie.
18:26 trinque what
18:26 trinque I bought a beast of a truck for 16k
18:26 asciilifeform trinque: lemme guess, american
18:26 mircea_popescu trinque we're in the other side of the life sucks/doesn't continuum atm.
18:26 trinque you guess wrong; toyota
18:26 asciilifeform rly, new toyota ??
18:26 trinque ah ah, pardon me
18:26 trinque who said new!
18:26 asciilifeform aaaaah lol!!
18:27 mircea_popescu it only counts if it's pink!
18:27 trinque wtf is this lol; do you know how long those last?
18:27 asciilifeform 'old toyota' can be 100 usd even.
18:27 asciilifeform so i thought it was quite obvious that meant 'new'.
18:27 mircea_popescu in a word... no.
18:27 trinque fucking yawn; the things run til 300k miles
18:27 mircea_popescu having never bought a car etc.
18:27 trinque and got it at ~100k
18:27 asciilifeform i dun think i've ever sat in a car with <100k
18:28 asciilifeform in usa that is
18:28 trinque thing didn't have the idiot iPads in the dash so no one wanted it.
18:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought buying new is a scam anyway. why would it be obvious you meant that ?
18:28 asciilifeform trinque: quite a stuggle to buy one ~without~ the crud , lately
18:28 mircea_popescu 2005 bmw ftw.
18:28 mircea_popescu it got all the electronics of old motorola phone.
18:28 asciilifeform i'm definitely getting one when my 'acura' finally falls apart
18:29 asciilifeform ( same era )
18:29 mircea_popescu "see that freightliner baby ? well... your car and that engine, ~same hp. use it well."
18:30 asciilifeform orlol's tub somehow got by with... 35hp
18:30 mircea_popescu aha
18:32 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> a TWO-DOOR toyota. << $4000 buys a sports car convertible
18:34 BingoBoingo <trinque> who said new! << 4 srs, mircea_popescu just needs decades of car buying experience to go used because his tastes run German and not lawnmower
18:34 mircea_popescu hey, i also bought a blender. it was... swiss.
18:35 mircea_popescu i betcha it outtorques your shmoyota or w/e
18:35 BingoBoingo But how long does it take to mow lawn with blender??
18:35 mircea_popescu i dunno but it made an acre's worth of gravel one weekend...
18:35 BingoBoingo Gotta figure in forward speed AND deck size
18:35 BingoBoingo But sounds like quite the blender
18:35 BingoBoingo May beat mower :(
18:40 trinque so here's a tip re: "omg cannot pull cash out of credit cards: 2017 panoptical broomstick hell"
18:40 trinque pay the fucking feds with the card; buy bitcoin with the cash
~ 33 minutes ~
19:14 ben_vulpes on the topic of "us courts are a thin veil over the criminal enterprise": https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/appeals-court-public-defender-lacks-standing-in-dispute-over-court-software/
~ 34 minutes ~
19:48 asciilifeform '...the public defender’s office has filed approximately 2,000 motions informing the court that, due to its reportedly imperfect software, many of its clients have been forced to serve unnecessary jail time, be improperly arrested, or even wrongly registered as sex offenders.' << lol!!
19:50 asciilifeform brings to mind this old '40s sf tale, where 2 d00dz are exonerated of murder after doing 20y on the toughest prison planets, with giant wasps & similar joys, and so each gets a 'murder pass' to actually do the thing he already sat for
19:50 asciilifeform and has to ponder, 'who should it be'
19:51 mircea_popescu pretty lulzy shit.
19:51 mircea_popescu let's worry if enough black chicks code. that's the issue.
19:51 asciilifeform codelivesmatter
19:51 asciilifeform or whatwasit.
19:52 mircea_popescu 2k black dudes registered as sex offenders for buying a can of canada dry are a-ok
19:52 mircea_popescu and, ironically, they're registered by the very shit black chix coded.
19:52 asciilifeform how else.
19:52 mircea_popescu shoulda spanked the bitchezs when they were 16, not wait for the fucking "criminology" degree.
19:53 mircea_popescu "if enough black chicks coded we wouldn't have to think about when was the last time anyone wrote any usefu lcode"
~ 16 minutes ~
20:10 asciilifeform meanwhile, for the intrepid: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mIuk9/?raw=true << combatron!
20:10 asciilifeform ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-21#1659882 << see also, RIP )
20:10 a111 Logged on 2017-05-21 00:47 asciilifeform: in other sads, it turns out that paul g. comba ( of comba's multiplication algo ) died in april.
20:12 asciilifeform pretty 'martian' algo for the usual O(N^2) mults, but notably it doesn't need a full Z's worth of temporary row space, but only 3 words' , ~regardless of Z width~ !
20:12 asciilifeform ( homework to reader: prove that this works.. )
20:12 shinohai btw mod6 .... I failed with the Ada/Gentoo thing the other night. Back to reading I suppose.
20:12 asciilifeform shinohai: say moar? failed how?
20:14 shinohai I can't get a workable env going .... using gcc version 4.9.4 (Gentoo 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4)
20:14 asciilifeform again say moar
20:14 asciilifeform what dun work
20:14 asciilifeform where - barfed ?
20:14 * shinohai looks at notes
20:16 shinohai First of all, is this what I should be following? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Ada
20:16 asciilifeform emerge dev-lang/gnat-gpl
20:17 asciilifeform alternatively install adacore's thing
20:17 asciilifeform ( either variant involves, sadly, a binary bootstrapper, as gnat is written in ada... )
20:20 shinohai Ah there is my issue apparently ... I needed to prefix USE=bootstrap
~ 15 minutes ~
20:36 shinohai le sigh
20:48 asciilifeform ftr 'p' stands at ~2500 ln. (incl. comments) presently. will need to lose some weight...
~ 23 minutes ~
21:12 ben_vulpes long time no see, ag3nt_zer0
21:12 ag3nt_zer0 hey there!
21:12 ag3nt_zer0 no kidding man
21:12 trinque this guy right here, shit you not, tells deedbot:
21:13 ag3nt_zer0 I am always peeking from time to time for reassurance hehe
21:13 trinque curl $url | gpg --decrypt
21:13 * trinque thoroughly entertained
21:13 ag3nt_zer0 awww man
21:13 trinque you don't get off so easy!
21:13 trinque lol, anyhow wb
21:13 ag3nt_zer0 hehe
21:13 ag3nt_zer0 thx
21:13 ben_vulpes ho ho ho
21:14 ben_vulpes allow me to reassure you, ag3nt_zer0, you *can* still curl2sudo!
21:14 asciilifeform curl http://microshit.gov > /dev/sda
21:14 trinque I resisted the urge to troll him that hard
21:15 trinque "oh gotta update your gpg, here"
21:15 * trinque should be sainted
21:17 ag3nt_zer0 hehe yes been very patient
21:18 ben_vulpes what are the lolz of the day ag3nt_zer0
21:19 ag3nt_zer0 haha well alot moved around since last I was here... we had that whole brexit trump pepe chaos magik thing
21:20 ag3nt_zer0 I went on an pretty long trip - 8 mos mexico, colombia, peru, thailand
21:21 trinque how do you find Thailand?
21:21 ag3nt_zer0 just got back a while ago and working my ass off to buy btc before it fulfills what appears to be its destiny of 1 trillion dollars/coin
21:22 ag3nt_zer0 trinque I loved thailand
21:22 trinque the place has been on my radar for a while; I've got a meatwot guy there
21:24 ag3nt_zer0 i should say it was my first "world trip" so I dont have much to compare it to and was really just enjoying the otherness of it all... the food was fucking incredible and the people were mostly very nice... said hi to me as I walked past them on the street which I guess qualifies as "very nice" in pharmaceutically feminist america
21:25 ag3nt_zer0 I really enjoyed the temples everywhere
21:25 ag3nt_zer0 Chiang Rai is very nice superior to Chiang Mai imo, smaller, cleaner, up in the hills a bit more
21:25 asciilifeform what's a pharmaceutically feminist ?
21:26 trinque ag3nt_zer0: what'd a month cost you there?
21:26 ag3nt_zer0 what i mean is that people are on drugs and feminism
21:27 ben_vulpes pantsuit parties: http://www.theamericanmirror.com/emails-cheryl-mills-hillary-aides-thought-pantsuit-party-woo-young-voters/
21:27 ag3nt_zer0 could have a small home outside of town for 0.116376 btc/mo
21:28 ag3nt_zer0 hehe
21:28 ag3nt_zer0 then food... maybe 3-4 usd/day
21:28 ag3nt_zer0 less if you cook
21:29 asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: is that rice or roquefort ?
21:30 ag3nt_zer0 that would be rice
21:30 asciilifeform thought so
21:30 ag3nt_zer0 and noodles and veggies and some meatz
21:31 asciilifeform it's about ~same 3-4 here in bad old usa too
21:31 * asciilifeform was once a penniless student, like many folx
21:31 ag3nt_zer0 dropped my little aged porn star potbelly and all fat over there though with no bread and cheese
21:32 asciilifeform neato
21:32 asciilifeform thailand is the land of the 200% car tax iirc.
21:32 asciilifeform so i take it 0 fat folx.
21:33 ag3nt_zer0 yeah I didnt see any
21:33 mod6 <+shinohai> Ah there is my issue apparently ... I needed to prefix USE=bootstrap << thanks for reporting and working through your probs on this in here -- this will probably help someone in the future.
21:34 asciilifeform mod6: i've been increasingly dwelling on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669650 .
21:34 a111 Logged on 2017-06-13 22:37 asciilifeform: end result is to be a vaguely msdos-like thing that understands how to configure x64 page table, put/get blocks of disk, and speak over rs232 port. and on top of this, a self-building gnat.
21:34 asciilifeform mod6: because the unix situation ain't getting any better.
21:34 asciilifeform it will only get -- worse.
21:36 mod6 yeah, it's liquishit. for sure.
21:36 asciilifeform ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666258 )
21:36 a111 Logged on 2017-06-06 00:42 ben_vulpes: oh christ xorg needs gcc5 now?
21:37 mod6 hmm, i dunno about that, following danielpbarron's instructions i was able to get X built with gcc4. but yah, it's all shit.
21:37 trinque hey, gnat just hauled in *6*
21:38 asciilifeform mod6: betcha you can't build an x that will draw on any card you can buy in a store nao, without 5+
21:38 asciilifeform or worse.
21:38 asciilifeform trinque: lol which gnat
21:38 trinque the latest and therefore best!!11!!!11
21:38 trinque was actually going to ask if you had a vintage
21:38 asciilifeform i do, which one would you like
21:39 trinque whichever one doesn't scorn gcc4 I suppose.
21:39 asciilifeform on the box i'm sitting at nao, i have adacore's 4.9.4
21:40 trinque dev-lang/gnat-gpl-2017 << this demanded gcc6
21:40 asciilifeform 4.9.4 iirc is still on their www
21:40 trinque I'll try that one instead
21:40 asciilifeform incidentally for all i know gcc5ism has not even touched gnat/ada
21:41 asciilifeform to date it's been 100% frontend rot afail
21:41 asciilifeform *afaik
21:41 asciilifeform but i cannot guarantee this.
21:41 asciilifeform ( ada does not suffer from the c/cpp idiots' '95% of everything we do is not nailed down in the standard' horror )
21:42 asciilifeform ditto fortran
21:42 asciilifeform ( incidentally i considered fortran for tmsr crypto )
21:43 asciilifeform we may well eventually end up with fortran ( it is by far easier to write a fortran compiler from 0 than an adatron )
21:46 asciilifeform fwiw SANELY written algos translate quite well between algols.
21:46 asciilifeform ( i.e. 0 pointerolade )
21:47 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i lolled at the pantsuits using the fucking word, all casual like.
21:47 mircea_popescu you know, like fat girl everyone calls piggy trying to use "piggy" in conversation.
21:48 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> so i take it 0 fat folx. << 0 tall chicks with nice udders, either.
21:48 asciilifeform afaik they dun make those east of urals
21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2E42F2EB9F4AF41CAD631A416DA71DFA634867421238BFA9F52B05A773CA94CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...7227 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.7.215 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.7.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-7-215.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
21:49 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2E42F2EB9F4AF41CAD631A416DA71DFA634867421238BFA9F52B05A773CA94CC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...1079 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.7.215 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.7.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-7-215.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
21:49 mircea_popescu prolly not.
21:50 asciilifeform ^ http://www.2f-spiele.de >>>>> 'Ich hoffe, dass auf dieser Seite alle Fragen zum Thema 2F-Spiele beantwortet werden können.'
21:50 mircea_popescu wtf is the point even sticking it into her if she can't show 2-3lbs of tit upfront.
21:50 * mircea_popescu tried recently, literally felt like was fucking a little boy. ew.
21:50 asciilifeform http://www.2f-spiele.de/spiele/spiele_akt_deut.htm << anybody ever heard of these..?
21:51 mircea_popescu negatory.
21:52 asciilifeform board gamez apparently. old-school.
21:57 asciilifeform mod6: further re '64-bit dos' : i increasingly also like the idea of os that has 0 kernel activity other than when invoked. and in general, 0 background activity other than user-specified; and no more threads than cpus.
21:57 asciilifeform i.e. honesty.
21:58 asciilifeform ( moar-threads-than-cpus is fundamentally a lie to the operator )
21:58 asciilifeform it'll be great to be able to deterministically measure execution times again, for instance.
21:59 asciilifeform i can't think of any reason to EVEN ENABLE INTERRUPTS on such a box
21:59 asciilifeform polling or fuckoff
22:00 asciilifeform or at least confine'em to 1 core.
22:03 mod6 <+asciilifeform> ( moar-threads-than-cpus is fundamentally a lie to the operator ) << 'i can't believe it's not cpu' aha.
22:04 mircea_popescu interrupts were a bad idea from the get-go.
22:04 mircea_popescu then "masking" and then of course "non maskable" and etc. when that happens you know you fucked up the design
22:04 mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: betcha you can't build an x that will draw on any card you can buy in a store nao, without 5+ << yeah, any proper graphics card. std intel card tho.
22:05 mod6 asciilifeform: yeah, i agree though. having all kinds of background things running and the kernel off doing who knows what is unwanted.
22:06 asciilifeform mod6: the open-specced intel gpu -- evaporated
22:06 asciilifeform i hate to be the bringer of badnoose... but it is so.
22:06 mod6 i dunno, im pretty sure i used gcc4 to build x on this box. o.O
22:07 asciilifeform what is 'this box' ?
22:07 mod6 e560 thinkpad
22:08 asciilifeform the badnoose is re certain 2017 intels. starting with iirc kaby
22:08 asciilifeform nomoar open gpu
22:12 mod6 <+trinque> I'll try that one instead << let me know if it "works" for ya
22:24 sina hiya tmsr
22:24 mircea_popescu a look who's here
22:24 mircea_popescu hey listen sina, wanna go with me through the fhf spec and make final version ?
22:24 mircea_popescu in an hour or so
22:25 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676418 << happy to do any benchmarking you like assuming its agreed finalised
22:25 a111 Logged on 2017-06-29 20:38 mircea_popescu: was next step but sina moved to gossipding
22:25 sina ahh you took the words out of my mouth!
22:25 mircea_popescu ima l;ist your and ben_vulpes 's impls as canonical
22:25 mircea_popescu after which, benchmarkings.
22:26 sina mircea_popescu: sure. happy to. FWIW, I kept README.md in my python repo updated with the spec as our discussions went on
22:26 sina http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rAOt1/?raw=true
22:27 mircea_popescu cool. read the article, make list of what you think needs changed
22:27 sina but there are definitely one or two additional refinements
22:27 mircea_popescu yeah, the goal is to nail them ALL.
22:27 mircea_popescu ill be back in about 90 mins.
22:27 sina cool see you then
22:28 sina ben_vulpes: around?
22:33 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676470 << sigh
22:33 a111 Logged on 2017-06-29 21:39 mircea_popescu: in the end the circling will always come to the same square : do you wish to live long, or do you wish to live well.
22:46 sina asciilifeform: wondering if you took a look at my revised gossipthing by any chance?
22:47 mircea_popescu i suspect today is the day tmsr production exceeded the ability of any one man to keep abreast of.
22:49 asciilifeform sina: notyet
22:49 asciilifeform prolly this weekend
22:49 sina I mean, it's still written in python and all :P
22:50 sina so I know it still counts as "complete rewrite" in your eyes
22:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i still eat'em faster than they shit'em, but currently tied up
22:50 mircea_popescu that's what it's called, in alflang
22:50 asciilifeform with the ffa massages
22:50 asciilifeform sina: will read, promise
22:51 sina appreciated sir
22:51 asciilifeform ( might even.... run! )
22:52 mod6 sina: where's the code?
22:52 mod6 i'll look at it.
22:52 sina https://github.com/sinner-/gossipd
22:52 mod6 ah, thx!
22:53 sina asciilifeform: btw I was going to ask you about your feelings on this https://github.com/cforler/Ada-Crypto-Library ...obviously hasn't been impl for constant time/space but regardless. may be possible to ctgrind it using that valgrind patch I linked in the logs
22:53 asciilifeform sina: it is in the logs
22:53 sina mod6: no, thank *you*
22:53 sina ah ok will look
22:53 asciilifeform sina: ( spoiler: ~useless )
22:54 asciilifeform because loc hog
22:54 asciilifeform and nonconst
22:54 sina http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633709
22:54 a111 Logged on 2017-03-29 12:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap.
22:54 trinque consider also the value of the gentleman who writes the thing ~being in your wot~
22:54 asciilifeform and if you even so much as considering valgrind, your ada is ill-conceived
22:54 mircea_popescu quite a not inconsequential value.
22:54 sina that is true trinque
22:55 sina asciilifeform: not valgrind for valgrinding, but ctgrind patched valgrind for checking constant timeness of existing code
22:55 sina but I guess that point stands anyway
22:55 asciilifeform sina: no need for robotic checkers, it is screamingly naked eye
22:55 sina if you impl as constant time you don't need ctgrind
22:55 sina yeahg
22:55 asciilifeform afaik mine is the only fixed spacetime bigint lib that exists publicly
22:56 asciilifeform ( if whoever knows of another -- plz write in..!! )
22:58 sina asciilifeform: nope, and I did look! the closest thing I found was this, which is both not public and not for constantime, although interesting nonetheless drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2012/3587/pdf/3.pdf
22:58 asciilifeform sina: not public == not exists
22:58 sina can agree
22:58 sina although I do guess the researchers could be convinced to send source
22:59 mircea_popescu not what experience indicates.
23:00 asciilifeform sina: the other thing is, life-critical code gotta be fitsinhead.
23:00 asciilifeform like kalash.
23:00 asciilifeform which means that if you're even thinking about grinders, it is Wrong.
23:00 sina yeah, I definitely appreciate the fitsinhead thing
23:01 sina basically once it's >fitsinhead, nobodies gonna audit it
23:01 asciilifeform sina: worse
23:01 asciilifeform sina: it's physically impossible then
23:02 asciilifeform and whoever insinuates otherwise, is not a friend
23:04 sina somehow it's 1pm and I haven't eaten breakfast, going to walk to the shop
23:05 asciilifeform oh why so many subdirs, sina ?
23:05 asciilifeform makes it painful to read
23:06 sina asciilifeform: I think all the stuff you care about will be in process/
23:06 sina apologies
23:06 mod6 sina: aside from alfs previous assertions; do you not want a primary key field set in the messages or keys table?
23:06 sina mod6: yes, will add some constraints and indexes
23:07 sina it was intentionally loose to begin with, but now can be constrainted
23:07 sina constrained*
23:07 mod6 werd.
23:07 sina definitely need index on keys table
23:08 sina mod6: although, again, maybe not, I think the desire is to not have sqlite dep and use fs so...
23:10 sina asciilifeform: do you feel sqlite is an OK dep or no?
23:10 asciilifeform take a guess
23:11 sina I guess you think the entire edifice of computing should be torn down and rebuilt
23:11 sina ;) :D
23:11 asciilifeform we have a winner
23:12 asciilifeform except most of it dun need to be rebuilt, after burning
23:12 asciilifeform nobody needs it for anything.
23:12 asciilifeform certainly not anybody worth knowing, at any rate
23:12 sina in this case it has at least allowed for rapid iteration
23:13 asciilifeform sina: i've personally sewn 'silk purses' from all kinds of sow's ears. incl. python, sql, etc
23:13 sina and I do remember a logline from asciilifeform "written in python because if I didn't then it wouldn't exist" or along those lines
23:14 asciilifeform but they aren't here to stay.
23:14 sina yah, that is understood
23:14 asciilifeform wartime duct tape.
23:14 sina especially for the usecase of gossipd, python cannot be the final lang
23:14 * asciilifeform bbl
23:15 sina must find food. mircea_popescu please excuse if I'm tardy on your return
23:15 sina bbasap
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