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00:01 asciilifeform meanwhile, front page of today's beobachter was 'trump mentioned terrorism in sweden, swedes have no idea what he was on about' -- while cars burn in stockholm
00:03 BingoBoingo Malmo, more like Ma-lol-mo
00:10 BingoBoingo hanbot: ty for Henry the SADFAG
00:10 BingoBoingo !!up veen
00:10 deedbot veen voiced for 30 minutes.
00:11 veen greetings republicans
00:11 veen long-time listener, first-time caller
00:14 BingoBoingo Welcome, keep coming back. It works when you work it.
00:14 BingoBoingo Who is your daddy and what does he do?
00:18 veen i suppose today ben_vulpes is my honorary daddy, his doings are well-known in these parts
00:21 BingoBoingo Congrats ben_vulpes you've got another mouth to feed
00:21 veen i've been enjoying this little stitch-n-bitch from afar, thought i might indulge in the pick-a-little talk-a-little
00:24 BingoBoingo !!key veen
00:24 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc
00:30 BingoBoingo brb
00:37 veen the cathedral commenting on milo's downright-clintonian, hair-splitting defense of his pederasty practice:
00:37 veen http://archive.is/QLSAy << "'Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty,' [Yiannopoulos] adds, dismissing the fact that 13-year-olds are children.”
00:37 veen > the fact
00:45 mircea_popescu well, historically pedophilia is a sort of homosexuality. it got a little coopted to mean "children", it really is little boys.
00:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. just like "brits" have no idea what rotterham is all about.
00:50 mircea_popescu libertards' pipedream chiefly consists of this deranged notion that i must seek and obtain his permission to know things. it wasn't on wikipedia therefore it mayn't exist.
00:51 mircea_popescu !!key veen
00:51 deedbot http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc
00:51 mircea_popescu !!rate veen 1 maybe not retarded.
00:51 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9hEUH/?raw=true
00:58 veen mircea_popescu: indeed, and milo understands this. the nyt's obstinate refusal to entertain the distinction is so very quaint
00:58 mircea_popescu which milo is this ?
01:01 veen milo, son of mr t., regent of brietbart, premier of getting deleted from twitter, &c, &c
01:01 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-15#1201764 ?
01:01 a111 Logged on 2015-07-15 01:53 danielpbarron: mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22
01:05 mircea_popescu oh the twitter famous dude.
01:10 veen aye
01:13 mircea_popescu oh btw ben_vulpes BingoBoingo watched (bout half hour of) cringe. it's basically http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/ except the junkie is "male" rather than "female".
01:14 mircea_popescu entirely beyond me why there'd be two of these seeing how there's no need for one.
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02:30 ben_vulpes ohai veen
02:31 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what is this cringe?
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09:10 mircea_popescu crank
09:17 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes dja know the guy ?
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09:57 trinque for all this crowing about "this is who I am", these milo types almost always got diddled as a kid by somebody.
09:57 trinque surely these things are unrelated.
09:58 mircea_popescu well... for all the crowing about "this is who i am", these heterosexual females almopst always got diddled as a kid by somebody also.
09:58 mircea_popescu kinda how womanhood becomes, neh ?
09:58 mircea_popescu "oh my god, AND HE HAS A CAR"
10:00 trinque sure, but I'm not asking the guy who lost the race what he thinks acceptable males look like
10:03 mircea_popescu i thought he's discussing what he thinks acceptable female-impersonating malkes look like
10:03 mircea_popescu then again i'm entirely unfamiliar with the no doubt extensive (in 140 byte increments) body of work in question.
10:03 trinque not missing anything
10:04 trinque !!rate veen 3
10:04 deedbot Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hasdQ/?raw=true
10:04 trinque !!v DD3472A1125220A83FDB9923181669D61BE07F317D0813F0561204D105AE9EFB
10:04 deedbot trinque rated veen 3
10:05 trinque ^ gentleman in ben_vulpes' meatwot, smart fella.
10:05 mircea_popescu is this the $bizpartner in logs ?
10:06 trinque yep, I'll otherwise let ben_vulpes make intros
10:08 mircea_popescu well good you fellows said something, because $next out of my mouth was going to be something along the lines of "hey, since you're so voluble but clearly nontechnical, how about you write something for qntra".
10:08 trinque lol
10:12 BingoBoingo Hey, write something for qntra anyway before you go touching tech knobs
10:17 mircea_popescu not a bad approach altogether.
10:17 mircea_popescu should be a step in between "hi" and "ok, go write your own v implementation / log bot". "write the news, man" could work as well.
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10:59 ben_vulpes aye, that's him
11:06 ben_vulpes runs a tight ship, i'm proud to serve with the man.
11:07 mircea_popescu so what's he, like the business mind in that cascadian outfit of yours ?
11:08 BingoBoingo He prolly does everything while ben_vulpes maeks baby and IRC's
11:08 mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder how you think babies are made bb.
11:09 ben_vulpes clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart
11:09 mircea_popescu bwahahaha
11:09 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: after four years of constant close collaboration we're pretty hot swappable
11:10 mircea_popescu how porny did that sound!
11:10 ben_vulpes it's real gay
11:10 BingoBoingo <ben_vulpes> clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart << You spray a big glob of expanding foam and then gab hammer to smith glob into baby shape
11:11 trinque thought it was that pink slime they use at mcdonalds
11:12 BingoBoingo Pink slime spoils eventually, polyurethane endures. Makes weather resistant baby
11:12 mircea_popescu this discussion is oddly in line with the latest trilema.
11:13 ben_vulpes anyways, the man stands on his own feet.
11:14 BingoBoingo !~later tell veen Please 2 submit a Qntra piece on clozure's connections to the Pizza Pedos
11:14 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
11:15 mircea_popescu dude be seriouse!
11:16 BingoBoingo Gotta take Lord vulpes at his word!
11:17 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: going to watch westworld instead of the statham crap anytime soon?
11:18 mircea_popescu i tried. meh.
11:18 mircea_popescu where ed harris / anthony hopkins go to die ;/
11:19 ben_vulpes you didn't even like the whores?!
11:20 deedbot http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/ << Trilema - MP's wonderful primary school furniture item idea
11:20 mircea_popescu which whores ?
11:23 ben_vulpes a quick skim of something purporting to be a script for ep1 suggests they don't show up in episode one!
11:24 mircea_popescu you don't mean the rail skin bitchy dorks in the texas bar pretending to be "in the wild west" do you ?
11:24 ben_vulpes yeah dems
11:24 hanbot mircea_popescu would prolly like it better in reverse sequence, but damage's prolly done
11:24 mircea_popescu you've got to be kidding me.
11:25 ben_vulpes quite a bit of whorin and dyin
11:25 mircea_popescu here's the thing ben_vulpes : that item is contrived, badly, because made by people who have absolutely no life experience beyond the water cooler and no substantial understanding of anything, and i do mean anything, including their own feet.
11:25 ben_vulpes hanbot: alas
11:26 mircea_popescu now, to best explain this point, we will look at what lays closest to home. so : the relationship between the "machiavellian" advertising dork and the "professional" ceo woman or w/e she is
11:26 mircea_popescu DOES NOT WORK!
11:27 mircea_popescu there's a whole lot of bickering, pointless and evidently there for the needs of inept script writers who "we didn't know how to write for a woman", except thye don't know how to write for powerful people, or ambitious people, or in general people. notwithstanding they maintain delusions of belonging to some/all those categories.
11:27 mircea_popescu this same problem is present throughout. those whores don't work, at all, much like whatever engine your kid will make in two years won't work.
11:28 mircea_popescu what varies is how obvious it is, but at the core, the whole thing is someone's splooge spread out on a napkin pretending to be "an idea". it's not an idea, partly because it doesn't use ink, and partly because those aren't letters.
11:28 asciilifeform meanwhile, archive.is outage.
11:29 asciilifeform these are becoming a regular thing.
11:29 mircea_popescu lol that name is so well chosen. "archive.is outage!"
11:33 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: oya, those are the worst scenes
11:34 ben_vulpes dunno who'd watch ww for anything other than the rape, titties, and watching the robots suffer through endless reincarnations sort-of remembering things
11:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/#comment-121385
11:39 mircea_popescu would have helped if they didn't PUT the worst scenes in there at all.
11:39 mircea_popescu otherwise it's like going to a brothel where this petite asian DOES suck your cock on her knees looking up, however the whole place reeks of cabbage stu and there's a naggy old woman always heard in the background.
11:40 asciilifeform aaand it's back, https://archive.is/NsL47 << looks like usg tested $wunderwaffen on kjn ; then satisfied that 0 detection; then zapped ambassador churkin with same.
11:41 mircea_popescu possibru.
11:41 asciilifeform 'Determining whether poison killed the half brother of North Korea’s leader in a busy airport is proving difficult for Malaysian officials, who said on Tuesday that autopsy results have so far been inconclusive. ... Kim did not suffer a heart attack and had no puncture wounds, such as those a needle would have left ... '
11:45 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it's an american cultural artifact ca. 2016; let us marvel that the scriptwriters were allowed to ship the scene where ed harris drags blondie into a shed by her hair
11:45 mircea_popescu i kinda went through a whole pile of this in the 80s, tyvm but i didn't think it was very good back then, either.
11:46 mircea_popescu i don't give a shit what half-assed performance dumbass delivers "within the constraints of her education"
11:46 mircea_popescu naked on the street, now.
11:47 ben_vulpes well see that's your problem, you have standards and a breadth of experience and shit
11:47 mircea_popescu yeah, that'd be it.
11:47 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/bjvxr << oven candidates rehearse for oven
11:47 ben_vulpes all americans have is this vague conviction that nothing is good, and that some things are less shite than others.
11:57 asciilifeform https://archive.is/4WtAT << goes with previous. mr.t is being set up as '“The President’s sudden acknowledgement is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration,” Steven Goldstein, executive director of the Anne Frank Center ...'
12:02 mircea_popescu what the fuck is an anne frank center.
12:02 trinque Trump used a morning visit to the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture to offer his condemnation << wahaha, "what group of whiners is this again? oh whatever"
12:02 mircea_popescu we should probably make a barrack obama center.
12:02 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they did, they called it 'museum of african american history'
12:02 asciilifeform massive brutalist box in formerly empty space near washington monument
12:02 mircea_popescu who the fuck cares what "they" think they did.
12:02 mircea_popescu we make it. proper-like.
12:03 shinohai !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true
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12:03 jhvh1 shinohai: The operation succeeded.
12:17 mircea_popescu and in other 2014s, http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/
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12:34 asciilifeform sooooooo.... ACHTUNG, PANZERS! i found ~one~ heretofore-undiscovered cause of black hole:
12:35 shinohai >.>
12:35 asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.6.1rc1#2691 << prb 0.6.1rc1 introduced a 'heartbeat' mechanism, where a prb node seeing ver. > 60000 ( see http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/version.h?v=0.6.1rc1#0045 ) sends 'pings' and expects back 'pong'
12:36 asciilifeform so they see trb set to, e.g., 99999 (as mine, for instance, are) and goes ping,ping,ping,motherfucker,ping,ping,whywontchapong
12:36 asciilifeform this soaks up precious single-threaded sockets...
12:37 asciilifeform box falls behind, loses peers, begins to sink into classical blackhole behaviour (as it gets dropped by everybody, including fellow trb nodes)
12:38 mircea_popescu i thought we had thread re filtering out prb pings
12:38 asciilifeform did we?!
12:38 asciilifeform link plox?
12:38 mircea_popescu ugh
12:39 asciilifeform btw mircea_popescu's old node declared 60000 compatibility. so it probably gets same treatment from prb peers
12:40 asciilifeform did it 'pong' back ? or drop'em ? or wat.
12:40 mircea_popescu well now i can't fucking find it. obviously.
12:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it drops them. and i am pretty clearly remembering we talking about this in the early days of trb and foundation
12:41 mircea_popescu (it drops them = it simply discards the pings)
12:41 asciilifeform well we also right now discard the pings.
12:41 asciilifeform but what this results in is a deadweight peer
12:41 asciilifeform because ~he~ 1) sits on the socket + 2) won't talk
12:42 asciilifeform enough of these, and you get one type of blackhole.
12:42 mircea_popescu nah, the actual peer doesn't get them
12:42 asciilifeform he doesn't get a 'pong' back, and so sits there like idiot
12:42 asciilifeform doing nothing and occupying socket.
12:42 asciilifeform eventually he disconnects, but does not add us to his ban list, and so the process repeats, ad infinitum.
12:43 mircea_popescu we add him to ours though
12:43 asciilifeform we could.
12:43 asciilifeform could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist.
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12:44 mircea_popescu this pingdom thing is an inadvertent marker for cowboy node
12:44 mircea_popescu (ie, not infrastructural element)
12:44 trinque ping is not already considered a heathen command?
12:46 asciilifeform trinque: as a matter of fact, no: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2097 << it was grandfathered in
12:46 asciilifeform in the sense that i left lines 2097..2099 live, when introduced 'malleus'
12:46 asciilifeform it is possible to remove'em, trivially. this will result in banning 'pingers' and a hard break with prbnet.
12:47 trinque ah yep, there it is
12:47 mircea_popescu it won't actually break with prbnet, mostly because prbnet is not actually run on prb nodes. they just connect to it.
12:48 mircea_popescu sort-of how apple doesn't run osx on whatever servers the ipads connect to.
12:48 asciilifeform whatthehell is 'prbnet' if not the swamp of prb nodes.
12:50 mircea_popescu "lightning network"
12:50 * asciilifeform not familiar
12:51 mircea_popescu basically sometime in 2014 the fake bitcoin dorks discovered that their "technology" doesn't work, and sort-of split it into "the working part" and "the frontend part". they evolved undesignedly sort-of independetly, now there's a shambling abomination and a writhing horror.
12:51 mircea_popescu at that point, the writhing horror (which you think of as prb) had about 10x as many loc as trb does ; by now it's 100x.
12:52 mircea_popescu the shambling abomination started life as this "optimization" by blue mat that others (esp the ones trying to have shit work, rather than engaged in pure github livejournalry) clung on to. but then it got discontinued
12:52 mircea_popescu so various almost working assemblaged got ad-hoced in its place.
12:52 mircea_popescu the poor situation of the shambling abomination is the deep reason for repeated humiliations delivered recently to blockchain.info for instance.
12:52 mircea_popescu it's approaching breaking point, evidently.
12:55 mircea_popescu as the "business" (in the sense of pretending to sv vc, that sorty of thing) portion of the larger prb ecosystem is running into a very marked bitcoin winter (recall, bitpay axed most of the crew a year ago), the ramen support for the "tech" side of prb (various mendacious scumbags like luke-jr, assorted imbeciles like taaki or that idiot who emailed the entire customer base the email addresses of the entire customer base, "p
12:55 mircea_popescu hantomcircuit") find it harder and harder to cling on to their pretense actively.
12:55 mircea_popescu ie, we survived summer of forks, wheel turned, now they hafta survive winter of dorks. dun look so well for them, but we see.
12:56 mircea_popescu i think that about covers it. questions ?
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13:18 asciilifeform to revisit upstack, i set up tcpdump on blackholed dulap and recorded
13:18 asciilifeform found quite a few wtf
13:18 asciilifeform for instance, some nodes send 'multipings',
13:18 asciilifeform single message containing 3,4,5 pings !
13:19 asciilifeform 68.10.122.122 for instance.
13:19 mircea_popescu this is (at least by my lights) the result of running node on vps. interface optimizes the message on the outbound
13:19 mircea_popescu "gaming server" etc.
13:20 asciilifeform entirely possible
13:20 asciilifeform the other interesting tidbit is that a blackhole node is often spoken to (by would-be peers) but never once speaks
13:20 mircea_popescu if you recall during the original blackhole debate, this was the argument in favour of "at fault is the broken node code"
13:21 asciilifeform something that was sent to it, much earlier, gums up the works
13:24 veen BingoBoingo: at which address are qntra submissions accepted?
13:25 mircea_popescu veen do it like so : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616161
13:25 a111 Logged on 2017-02-21 17:03 shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true
13:29 shinohai oooh a new Qntra contributor?
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13:52 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
13:52 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html
13:53 trinque lel, was just building teh snip-snippy myself
13:53 trinque we'll see what it does to deedbot
13:54 deedbot http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/21/oh-coloured-wings-riding-winds-of-change-hello/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Oh coloured wings riding winds of change. Hello!
13:56 mircea_popescu trinque should be more interesting to see what it does to mimisbrunnr
13:56 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do try the above patch, may actually bring you back above waterline.
13:56 trinque deedbot does lag time to time
13:57 trinque I just keep tabs on it and give it a restart when
13:57 mircea_popescu aha
13:57 mircea_popescu but he was benchmarking "who hears tx first" and that type of thing
14:00 ben_vulpes heh hadn't gotten to "who hears tx first", that'll need umpteen nodes to do properly unless i misread the situation.
14:00 asciilifeform dulap now operating with 'goodbye, pingers'.
14:01 trinque I wonder if it'd be useful for deedbot to say a txid when sending.
14:01 trinque for other folks to note time until seen
14:02 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes the sort of thing i had i nmind : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580799
14:02 a111 Logged on 2016-12-09 22:55 ben_vulpes: blockchain.info falling behind?
14:02 mircea_popescu trinque can't hurt, if it knows its txid at that point
14:02 asciilifeform i will now also confirm that a goodbye-pingers node still receives blocks.
14:03 ben_vulpes neato asciilifeform, i will get this into rotation
14:03 asciilifeform kako can put this in his pipe, and smoke it.
14:03 ben_vulpes in re "nobody over there even does anything"?
14:03 mircea_popescu there's a pipe ?
14:03 asciilifeform in re 'if you won't talk to prb, you won't hear from miners' thing.
14:03 ben_vulpes ah
14:03 trinque seems to me you'd end up closer to miners
14:04 trinque circumventing the swamp
14:04 ben_vulpes no but no trinque miners run cutting edge stuff only
14:04 mircea_popescu prb.wh != prb.sa != miner.backbone
14:05 mircea_popescu originally, miner code got split off the main satoshi base sometime in 2011. there was a lot of back and forth between pre-trb prb node code and the node code miners used, but not that much in the past few years.
14:06 asciilifeform btw dulap will appear to be blackholed from pov of everybody else, for probably hour or more, as it is catching up with blocks
14:06 asciilifeform and, recall, single-threaded idiocy
14:08 ben_vulpes unrelatedly, hn twofer: "don't tell anyone that tls doesn't even work" http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-and-mozillas-message-to-av-and-security-firms-stop-trashing-https/ and "sam altman looks outside" http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters
14:08 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, jurov , and anybody else still running old prb nodes for whatever reasons of their own -- note that you will no longer be able to connect to dulap. (or to zoolag, when i patch it. or to anybody else who includes this patch.)
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14:27 asciilifeform ProcessMessage(alert, 168 bytes) FAILED << lel, somebody still sending these
14:27 asciilifeform (they, like other nonsense, get malleus'd)
14:28 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what's the alert they're trying to send?
14:29 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'll answer this when i eat the current pcap
14:29 asciilifeform (it is very much a manual, batched process.)
14:30 ben_vulpes idle curiosity, don't let it block important stuffs
14:30 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: this is a slow-burning project of mine in its own right -- to determine what the fuck EXACTLY these things are doing, when they go 'blackhole'
14:31 asciilifeform and also to answer several other itching questions of mine
14:31 asciilifeform e.g., do new valid blocks come 'from everywhere', or consistently from a few places.
14:32 ben_vulpes also excellent question
14:32 asciilifeform or, how much time does trb node spend rejecting crapolade from same idiots again and again
14:32 asciilifeform or, what portion of tx are valid, and what portion -- obvious nonsense
14:32 ben_vulpes it should be doable to 'getpeers' from the nodes from which a trb gets a block and then attempt to traverse upstream, no?
14:32 asciilifeform or, what portion of mempool actually makes it into blocks
14:33 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: getaddr
14:33 asciilifeform but yes, for instance.
14:33 asciilifeform to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks?
14:34 asciilifeform what portion of network bandwidth is taken up by crapola ?
14:34 asciilifeform is there a consistent set of peers who 'prank call' (dial and won't speak) ?
14:34 asciilifeform and a number of other conundrums, that really ought not to be conundrums this far in.
14:35 ben_vulpes feel free to jot the rest down lol
14:35 asciilifeform i have listed the imho most interesting, above.
14:35 asciilifeform other folx ( particularly mircea_popescu ) may also be interested in tx propagation, but i am unequipped to test this.
14:35 ben_vulpes i don't mind the arcana, it's what a holistic understanding's made of
14:36 asciilifeform (given as i generate a tx perhaps yearly)
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14:58 asciilifeform in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.'
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15:30 asciilifeform in other noose, as discussed earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577994 ) >> https://archive.is/AVO23 << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux.
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15:30 a111 Logged on 2016-12-05 16:54 mircea_popescu: i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale.
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15:55 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/02/dream-market-yet-another-darknet-market-accounts-compromised/ << Qntra - Dream Market (Yet another Darknet Market) Accounts Compromised
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16:11 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Bastard 0.7 ish node corrected will patch trb nodes at convenient time, tyvm
16:21 BingoBoingo !~ticker --market all
16:21 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1116.56, vol: 8652.47831716 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1079.997, vol: 7554.2308 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1120.1, vol: 29084.22992281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1060.688547, vol: 8393.38810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1118.448, vol: 2802.65060397 | Volume-weighted last average: 1105.28471892
16:28 asciilifeform in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Bwz53 >> 'Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.'
16:29 asciilifeform hey if bits-on-a-disk-in-police-custody can count as 'evidence' of anything else -- why not this.
16:29 asciilifeform and if the bits are not the right bits -- they can 'help'.
16:29 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes lulzy pieces. they kind of remind me of 1980s items.
16:29 asciilifeform as they currently 'help' in cp cases.
16:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform> to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? <<< yes, yes and yes, altogether a proper STATs module should very much be part of stock trb, and very helpful if it were.
16:36 mircea_popescu this directly links into the "garage chemistry = the fundamental articulation of western world", or, give everyday fellow powerful tools that touch the root of the world.
16:36 * mircea_popescu is very much in favour.
16:40 mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616286 << hurr durr, nyt & friends still refusing to graduate the You Are Not The World 101 class at the School of Hard Knocks. probably signals the need for special ed, they've been stuck on this entry level subject for years now.
16:40 a111 Logged on 2017-02-21 19:58 asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.'
16:41 mircea_popescu apparently one bad usa is africa" track they listened to back in '85 constitutes enough basis to ignore scientific research for these schmucks.
16:43 asciilifeform 'the world pointed out'
16:43 asciilifeform didjaknow.
16:43 mircea_popescu o totally.
16:55 mircea_popescu btw, check out what altman does with his time. does this look like the job of an engineer or the job of a politruk ?
16:55 ben_vulpes altman is supposed to be an engineer?
16:55 ben_vulpes i thought he was a blogger scraped off some other vc firm's shoe
16:55 mircea_popescu who would, upon hitler winning unexpectedly, drop everything he was doing and start "talking to people" ? wernher von braun or joseph goebbels ?
16:56 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes depends who you ask. according to the average 2oish yo "stem" imbecile, he's a role model.
16:57 mircea_popescu but anyway, the sheer insanity of this, you know, dork who supposedly "is a ceo" and "we something or the other billions of dollars something or the else other companies corporate business like real men and with suits!!!1" nevertheless has the fucking time to go on campaign trail. and the absence of mind to do it AFTER the election.
17:01 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/02/yiannopoulos-quits-media-giant-breitbart/ << Qntra - Yiannopoulos Quits Media Giant Breitbart
17:01 trinque lol, first flynn, now teh 'dangerous faggot'
17:01 trinque left is on the move, people!
17:02 trinque what impotent losers.
17:02 mircea_popescu oh noes ?
17:04 trinque I suppose next they'll egg George W's house
17:05 mircea_popescu or nearly egg it, feel very intensely like egging it
17:05 mircea_popescu AND THEN TWITTERING ABOUT IT
17:05 mircea_popescu #wedidntdoanythingtoday
17:11 BingoBoingo 4srs, about time Milo went independent again
17:12 mircea_popescu what does he do when he's independent ?
17:12 BingoBoingo Starts own MicroBart
17:12 mircea_popescu is he old enough for this ?
17:12 BingoBoingo He started some tech rag "The Kernel" he sold to DailyDot
17:13 mircea_popescu the cuban model ?
17:13 BingoBoingo Then he let his politics flag fly. Should have the money to do it.
17:13 mircea_popescu i guess.
17:16 mircea_popescu oh and to get back on the qntra topic : that the molested child enjoys the experience is neither shocking nor that uncommon.
17:17 BingoBoingo Still, big media that hates frat-rape is denying victim his lived experience!
17:18 mircea_popescu a good chunk of the "psychological damage" of what's known in the us as "child molestation" and in the rest of the world, both geographically and historically as nothing in particular has to do with the batshit insane reaction of the environment. substantially the EXACT same cause driving psychological damage in "abused children" as used to drive psychological damage in "mentally ill" aka homosexuals. it did get turing to kil
17:18 mircea_popescu l himself.
17:18 mircea_popescu hence all the discussions re "fags got their weddings, pedos are next".
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17:18 mircea_popescu the similarities are quite marked.
17:20 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and funnily enough they don't CALL IT THAT, either.
17:21 BingoBoingo Well, what can they do without vocabulary?
17:22 mircea_popescu it's not just a case of "it's our democracy when we do it and corruption when russia does it" ; the linguistic shenanigans are at the very core of libertard program. "it's denying victim their living experience when you tell susan j fowler or whatever other coreboot-broad-of-the-day that she's just not very birhgt and didn't work very hard ; but it's nothing when dangerous homosexual etc"
17:23 mircea_popescu at this point it is strictly impossible to distinguish between us "progressive" and a woman that's been locked into a house with preteens for too long and simply snapped and lost her mind.
17:23 * danielpbarron would rather see pedo marriage than homo marriage
17:23 mircea_popescu pedo marriage still the norm, go to india, the middle east, wherever.
17:24 mircea_popescu 12 brides exceed 21 yo brides by a large margin.
17:24 ben_vulpes atlantic even did a piece on a victorian child bride recently
17:24 ben_vulpes "queer victorians" or some such
17:24 mircea_popescu right, everyone's grandmother got married at 12 also.
17:26 trinque pedo tends to mean quite a bit younger, eh?
17:27 mircea_popescu in whose usage ?
17:27 danielpbarron ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually
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17:27 trinque that's actually the claim dangerous fag guy made which causes teh scandal
17:27 trinque "pubescent != pedo"
17:28 danielpbarron scandal only because it can't be about fertility or else homosexuality is similarly wrong
17:29 mircea_popescu there is that.
17:29 ben_vulpes hence the magic number (18!!!) with exceptions (unless you're both under 18! except if we want to try you as an adult!)
17:30 ben_vulpes sad inevitability of governing by numbers.
17:31 mircea_popescu the magic number 18 has a lot more to do with historical extraction. people wanted to get work out of children ; there's a soft spot where the uncastrated animal becomes more trouble than it's worth.
17:32 mircea_popescu since they weren't about to start castrating boys (mostly because the crown wouldn't let them ; otherwise us southerners very much DID, and would again if could) they had to give up on them at some point and let those "indentured" servant "contracts" expire.
17:33 mircea_popescu "how old does he have to be before the risk of punching you out, burning your house and fucking your wife and daughter outweighs whatever useful labour you may extract out of him" is scarcely a cogent basis for discussing how old must be the girl before you can buy her.
17:33 danielpbarron heh so not child abuse but "hey! stop trying to get my farm equipment pregnant!"
17:33 mircea_popescu nah, it was never about the girls.
17:34 mircea_popescu and generally - the proposition that females mattered at any point in human history, no matter the circumstance or perspective, is laughable.
17:34 mircea_popescu no law was made by women or for women ; no conflict was with women or about women, on it goes. the ancient complaint that "media fails to ~DEPICT~ the struggles of women and the impact of women" is so much charade. history fails to record because reality fails to contain. so media has to fail to depict if it cares to stay sane.
17:34 mircea_popescu and if it doesn't care to stay sane, the result is inevitably crank and tangerine.
17:35 danielpbarron poetic
17:36 trinque there is a very plain consideration on when pregnancy is going to sap energy otherwise allocated to maturation
17:36 trinque if we're talking about utility
17:37 mircea_popescu this hasn;'t anything to do with it as far as i can see. ironically women are more mature by whatever metric - aware, dependable, etc. in all times and places, broadly speaking.
17:37 mircea_popescu the issue is that women are adaptable, men are not. you understand how this works ?
17:37 trinque sure, men are, then go out and die or not
17:38 mircea_popescu no i mean the economics of flexibility.
17:39 mircea_popescu a commonly discussed example is that "everything in us consumer market is kosher, including $random item for exemplification". then there's some o wow, kosher eaters are a fraction of 1% of the whole market.
17:39 mircea_popescu the mechanics is that kosher eaters WILL NOT eat non-kosher ; whereas everyone else will eat whatever.
17:40 mircea_popescu as keeping two sets of $item has significant costs, it is cheaper to just make everything kosher.
17:40 asciilifeform mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com down??
17:40 mircea_popescu this is why merely TOLERATING vegetarians is insanity if you like meat. you eating either their soy or a steak while they ONLY eat soy will ENSURE you will not be able to eat meat.
17:40 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: yes
17:40 asciilifeform aite
17:40 mircea_popescu so do not simply tolerate a vegetarian. either kick her out or beat her up.
17:41 ben_vulpes an eyebrow should suffice.
17:42 mircea_popescu well, economics dun care.
17:42 ben_vulpes instead of a thrashing i mean.
17:42 mircea_popescu yes, yes. you'll find out if it sufficed or not at the other end.
17:42 * ben_vulpes looks, sees no more vegetarians in his house
17:43 mircea_popescu this is incidentally why "irrational behaviour!! murder!! common graves!!!". because of exactly the above, economics dun care, so the inborn reflex is to overdo and make sure, rather than find out it didn't take on the other end.
17:44 mircea_popescu ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day.
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17:44 ben_vulpes yeah. eyebrow only works if it implies "how to deliver punishment"
17:44 asciilifeform see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-08#1319688
17:44 a111 Logged on 2015-11-08 03:33 asciilifeform: in the words of mr mold, 'death is quicker, cheaper, simpler, and more persuasive than persuasion'
17:44 mircea_popescu it adds a solid two inches to her legs.
17:44 ben_vulpes s-sauce?
17:44 mircea_popescu hm ?
17:45 ben_vulpes how do you know this, and also what does it do to boys
17:45 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: best documented example is the japanese subway
17:45 mircea_popescu does the same to boys lol. nutrition is important to kids. and nutrition means meat.
17:45 asciilifeform which had to enlarge chairs, train ceilings, whole shebang, in 1960s
17:45 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: because of increased protein intake i gather?
17:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform im reeling in shock of having been asked to document this.
17:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: same
17:45 asciilifeform 'mouse in evacuated jar dies' 'sauce?'
17:46 ben_vulpes just cutting through decades of nutritive malinformation over here
17:46 trinque well, and find meat without hormones or toxic sludge throughout, go on
17:46 mircea_popescu kids must have abundant food and very little fastcrap.
17:46 mircea_popescu trinque there is that, yes.
17:48 * mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme
17:48 mircea_popescu and then she hates her parents.
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17:48 mircea_popescu with good cause ; and in a fundamental and unfixable way. "bitch, why didn't you feed me when i was young and needed you to ?"
17:49 asciilifeform holyfuck i am seeing 'ACTION' in '<mircea_popescu> ACTION has seen this time'... but http://btcbase.org/log sees the correct line
17:49 mircea_popescu hm
17:49 * mircea_popescu now ?
17:50 asciilifeform now the correct
17:50 asciilifeform what changed ?
17:50 * mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme
17:50 mircea_popescu now ?
17:50 asciilifeform now crapolade
17:50 mircea_popescu dude wtf apparently my client sends a broken char if the line is overlong.
17:51 asciilifeform phf's logger swallows without burping
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17:51 mircea_popescu ugh.
17:51 asciilifeform lel yes, just as described
17:51 mircea_popescu well phf's thing works becsause phf is a smart cookie, but this is just ridiculous.
17:53 asciilifeform in other wtf's, banning pings took dulap from 50+ to 7 peers (1 of which is zoolag), and none of'em seem to know of any block past 454073
17:53 asciilifeform for hours nao.
17:54 mircea_popescu i have nodes locked on that too.
17:54 asciilifeform both of mine, are
17:54 mircea_popescu there's something iffy with that block, i've not yet looked into it.
17:54 asciilifeform it is why i asked after mimisbrunnr
17:54 asciilifeform wanted to examine 454074.
17:54 asciilifeform does anybody have 454074 on a spitblock-capable node ?
17:55 ben_vulpes my node is entirely locked up atm
17:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo ? jurov ?
17:55 ben_vulpes well, the node to which mimisbrunnr's attached.
17:55 asciilifeform aah
17:55 mircea_popescu 74 is actually overfull. it might not even verify. 999.968kb
17:56 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nah, e.g., 454047, was larger.
17:56 mircea_popescu it's not strictly the size, just a broad indicator.
17:57 asciilifeform then which
17:57 * mircea_popescu keeps waiting for one of these "optimized" blocks that finally breaks hell loose.
17:57 asciilifeform sigops ?
17:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Stalled out on new blocks after pingpatch 454094 is last new block
17:57 mircea_popescu i have nfi. if i had a clue i'd say
17:57 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that is long past my wedgepoint
17:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's where I wedged after pingpatch
17:57 mircea_popescu anyway, btc.com is pretty much a bitcoin attacker by this point, at least in my books.
17:58 asciilifeform my concern is not that there is a boojum in 454074. but that the thin red line connecting my trb nodez to miners are -- apparently -- veeeery thin
17:58 ben_vulpes that node's not wedged but very far behind.
17:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification.
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17:58 mircea_popescu you just happened to get one of these shitted in while looking for something else.
17:58 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. it simply hasn't heard a block in ~2 hrs.
17:58 mircea_popescu the exact process that makes this whole pile so difficult to watch.
17:59 mircea_popescu asciilifeform because it only talks to nodes that are trying to eat that one.
17:59 asciilifeform actually it very often meets a , e.g., version message: version 70002, blocks=454102
17:59 asciilifeform but tells him to go to hell because ping.
17:59 mircea_popescu ah ?
17:59 mircea_popescu ok so then
17:59 asciilifeform hundreds of these, now, in my log.
18:01 BingoBoingo More elegant ping solution may be required
18:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem
18:02 asciilifeform i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners.
18:02 BingoBoingo Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger?
18:02 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu sprayed megatonnes of ddt, the pests -- just got high
18:06 mircea_popescu if only someone invented selective poison for stupid people.
18:07 mircea_popescu but we're not even at the point where mosquitoes were exterminated, so...
18:07 mircea_popescu human civilisation will have to wait.
18:07 asciilifeform btw how come i see 'Unable to decode output address' messages at blockchain.info ? i thought they had latest weirdo addr prb system
18:07 asciilifeform for p2sh etc.
18:08 mircea_popescu possibly fuzzer txn.
18:08 ben_vulpes (because everyone reads the logs?)
18:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're in a block
18:08 mircea_popescu so ?
18:08 asciilifeform e.g., https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000000f8f669ea6bc02e5a5d8b93a44fb39f1ef6cb355d20c01b
18:08 mircea_popescu the crap that ends up into blocks would astound oyu.
18:10 BingoBoingo My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I
18:11 asciilifeform thus far i have not found anything in 454074 that is not in quite recently earlier blox
18:11 asciilifeform (any kind of thing, rather)
18:11 mircea_popescu me either.
18:12 mircea_popescu anyway, off to dinner.
18:17 asciilifeform dulap down to 4.
18:22 asciilifeform right now this is not even a very interesting wtf. it may however become interesting if a miner decides to sit down on trb island.
18:23 asciilifeform and forkulate.
18:24 ben_vulpes node attached to mimisbrunnr is stuck at 454003
18:24 asciilifeform that'd be quite a bit earlier
18:24 ben_vulpes aye, can't quite see why it'd be stuck there
18:24 asciilifeform how long has it sat there, ben_vulpes ?
18:25 ben_vulpes node has only recently begun responding to rpc calls
18:25 asciilifeform ( and are you equipped to answer this q accurately )
18:25 ben_vulpes and no i am not.
18:26 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: a node that is not responding to rpc is nearly always simply catching up on massive backlog of blox
18:26 ben_vulpes it would be feasible to chart time density of log statements
18:26 asciilifeform during which it invariably loses all peers but the one supplying said blocks
18:26 ben_vulpes just saw this in my logs: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2HMaz/?raw=true
18:29 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aya, the odd thing by my read is that it is responding to rpc calls but hasn't found from whom to get the rest of the blocks
18:29 asciilifeform aaaaand we've got 454074.
18:29 ben_vulpes or lol hadn't until right now
18:30 asciilifeform and ..75.
18:31 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Stepped away from node and it started catching up again
18:33 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was finally eaten i see
18:33 mircea_popescu ah yeah, there.
18:33 asciilifeform the other major disgrace is that i have no way to make, e.g., zoolag and dulap NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BREAK UP
18:33 asciilifeform there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit.
18:33 mircea_popescu that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source.
18:33 asciilifeform the 'all monkeys are equal' idiocy is deeply baked in.
18:34 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it'd have to be after abolishing the polled socket thing entirely, and salting the earth where it stood, and cleansing with napalm for good measure
18:34 asciilifeform i.e. 'trb-i'
18:34 mircea_popescu pretty much.
18:35 mircea_popescu i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code.
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18:35 mircea_popescu bitch, handle the buffers. let someone who knows what they're doing do the networking for you.
18:35 asciilifeform ^^^
18:35 mircea_popescu but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into.
18:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is typical of amateur programmers esp of the windows variety to sorely misrepresent the immense bojum networtking is.
18:39 asciilifeform consider how on winblowz the proposition of 'separate out the network code' is not even practical to contemplate.
18:39 mircea_popescu yep
18:41 veen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616505 << a long-standing wtf in my mind
18:41 a111 Logged on 2017-02-21 23:35 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code.
18:48 BingoBoingo Also there may be more bogum from getdata command. Apparently ver greater than 60002 "opts-in" to "enhanced" version
18:51 asciilifeform meanwhile in lulzistan, https://archive.is/Io6p8 >> '...Apple recently acquired Realface, an up-and-coming Israeli startup with impressive real-time facial recognition software ... Lending credence to rumors that the iPhone 8 may forgo the use of Touch ID in favor of facial recognition, Realface’s software is said to be sophisticated enough... ' << for schmucks who thought 'eh i'll use crapple, with this here plastic camera condom'
18:52 asciilifeform crapple: 'camera always on -- or fuckyou'
18:52 asciilifeform and first crapple, and week later -- turdroid.
18:52 BingoBoingo https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1641/commits/05a85b2b38d516a8701f684fcd2ab99f3e5b462d
18:53 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: these get banhammered
18:53 asciilifeform (see the logs of any operating trb node)
18:53 asciilifeform ^ or rather, nodes having malleus
18:55 asciilifeform but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
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18:55 asciilifeform sity and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who studies renewable energy, to the Associated Press.'
18:55 asciilifeform SCIENCEHATESYOU! (tm) (r) (reddit)
18:55 asciilifeform didjaknow.
18:55 mircea_popescu lol fellow at both of them ?
18:56 mircea_popescu and he fails to see the fundamental connection between him supporting "science" and at the same time being postgrad at BOTH of these ?
18:56 mircea_popescu because why, they teach nonsense ? how can he fail to see this ?
18:57 mircea_popescu if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending.
18:57 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all the d00d sees, or even wants to see, is the wagonload of cv padding, and the payola stretching bank acct to new decimal places every month
18:57 mircea_popescu how many mathematician-surgeons did you meet in 1987 moscow ?
18:57 mircea_popescu who WERENT barely literate con artists ?
18:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform well america totally is built on that, no argument there.
18:59 asciilifeform when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0
18:59 mircea_popescu no shit.
19:02 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/culture-shock-ama/ more or less.
19:04 ben_vulpes heh veen and i broke apple's facial recognition on the first day it shipped. filed report, crickets.
19:04 mircea_popescu iirc a bunch of people made sport of that
19:04 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: point is not that it will work as printed on the box. but that the machine won't log you in unless it sees a passable room with passable face-like object in it.
19:04 asciilifeform i.e. camera-is-running
19:05 asciilifeform this is part of a slow, planned anal dilation of the luserbase.
19:05 mircea_popescu that part is certainly coming. dreamers moving towards their vats as foretold.
19:05 asciilifeform ditto voice command crapolade
19:05 asciilifeform normalizing always-on-microphone.
19:06 ben_vulpes foregoing oblique unlock is going to be hard to jam down the kids throat
19:06 ben_vulpes or the ability to hand phone to friends and unlock it
19:06 ben_vulpes even having the lock on is pretty uncommon, people go to lengths to turn it off
19:06 asciilifeform the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
19:07 asciilifeform '- Where have you been, Dad? You can wait forever. You have to read the text through the polarizer glasses. Without them, all you’ll see is the ads! - What’s that for? - What do you mean, what’s that for? So nobody who hasn’t paid can read the book! Think, I buy a book, and someone who didn’t buy anything could read it over my shoulder…'
19:08 mircea_popescu eh if only.
19:08 mircea_popescu you keep seeing method to the madness. there's no method.
19:08 mircea_popescu the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybody;s fault anyway so let's adapt.
19:08 mircea_popescu same thing that produced the above microsoft networking paradigm.
19:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there is method. random js crapolade on some indian www may be monkey throwing shit against a wall. an item like 'amazon alexa' is not.
19:09 asciilifeform it was designed, and works. to spec.
19:09 asciilifeform a work of evil, but works, to spec.
19:09 mircea_popescu same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A"
19:09 mircea_popescu pfff.
19:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu conflates, e.g., nodejs, prb -- vs alexa, ipnoje -- at his peril imho.
19:10 mircea_popescu i'm on the record not conflating them, take the recent c/llvm discussion.
19:10 mircea_popescu but ars vita, longa brevis or how that went. very little space for actual agency in the wailing crowd.
19:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tru!
19:17 asciilifeform in my observations there are roughly 2 factions of technocrapolade -- 'microshit': crashes, 'meat-like' malfunctions, shit soup of 'why does this exist', shithubs full of gender-fix-commits, etc; and 'crapple' -- ipnoje that worx 100% of the time you push the button, while slowly recording; amazon's widgets; google's spamless mail; and similarly appealing, sweet and carcinogenic nintendos
19:17 asciilifeform quite disjoint sets, for the most part.
19:17 mircea_popescu such an "ipnoje" does not exist.
19:17 asciilifeform wwwtronic idiocies mostly live in the former camp
19:18 mircea_popescu the ~only thing that is even vaguely similar to that is the sort of deep-in-the-bowels systems engineering as to my mind best exemplified by the llvm thing and ~nothing else.
19:18 asciilifeform recall who pays for llvm, and in what product it is used.
19:19 mircea_popescu not airfoil manufacture ; not electronic countermeasures ; not special ops ; not diplomacy, nothing.
19:19 asciilifeform airfoil probably still designed on vax.
19:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure, but this is not unlike saying cow can fly because gut produces methane.
19:20 mircea_popescu back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will ; they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing.
19:21 asciilifeform which 'it' ?
19:21 veen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616522 << some display of tone-deaf impotence, that
19:21 a111 Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
19:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform your idea of "ipnoje"
19:22 veen > our scientism has shown these facts to be self-evident! such reasoning is sufficient to affect trajectory of body politic and clown car alike
19:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well noshit, they did it once, how many times does what other company create product category from thin air, in which literally every other vendor remains trabant imitator
19:25 mircea_popescu are you talking about llvm or about the imaginary market for "Tablets" ?
19:25 asciilifeform pocket-thing-with-www-browser, as a class
19:25 mircea_popescu this is an entirely spurious novel item in our discussion.
19:26 asciilifeform very easy to say for d00d who uses 0 of these and can't even picture why anyone would.
19:26 mircea_popescu we were talking about cognitive capability ; not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway"
19:28 asciilifeform i dunno that anyone has made 'new cognitive capability' since engelbart.
19:29 mircea_popescu so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 ; but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet ; or any kind of response to the chinese missilization ; or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east ; or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele
19:29 a111 Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha
19:29 mircea_popescu ctronics on a cruiser whose only raison d'etre is an imaginary electronics war.
19:29 mircea_popescu and the list could go on.
19:30 mircea_popescu on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall"
19:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for this discussion, every inner city black thug who sits down to start his own brothel is (like, say, http://trilema.com/2016/hustle-flow/ ) is laying down a new cognitive capacity farm.
19:32 asciilifeform only in the cow-is-methane-vendor sense
19:33 mircea_popescu whether it'll be enough or not, for what it aims to do or for something else, is an entirely different discussion. but the important point is that man has raeched that sad level of overpopulation where it assembles into meta-creatures.
19:33 mircea_popescu much like locusts eventually get too many and swarm, man got too abundant and is now making shambling horrors out of himself.
19:35 mircea_popescu as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one.
19:36 asciilifeform the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'
19:36 asciilifeform and afaik it continues to work
19:36 mircea_popescu failed spectacularly in turkey.
19:36 asciilifeform to the point where usg can poison beloved ambassador d00d and 0 risk
19:36 mircea_popescu would fail in russia too.
19:36 mircea_popescu this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him.
19:36 mircea_popescu which is why there's no glory in it, and why the more civilised ancients refrained.
19:37 asciilifeform worked great in turkey, they nailed another beloved-ambassador-d00d with 0 push back
19:37 mircea_popescu no, don't slide. you were discussing "the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'".
19:37 asciilifeform killing envoys was ~the~ act of war, since, idk, before hammurabi
19:37 mircea_popescu failed to work. spectacularly.
19:37 asciilifeform colour me thick, how did it fail ?
19:37 mircea_popescu most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell.
19:38 asciilifeform who, in particular ?
19:38 asciilifeform in which jail are they
19:38 mircea_popescu you're aware erdogan is still in power, and the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-15#1614142 "victims" are literally lost.
19:38 a111 Logged on 2017-02-15 20:05 mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt.
19:39 asciilifeform hey even mr.t over here is theoretically still-in-power.
19:39 mircea_popescu none of your business in which jail are they. suffice it to be said that they aren't ever coming out. and whoever feels uppity in usg "deep state" is very much next.
19:39 mircea_popescu lol. well, by now your position has degraded enough so ima call this good.
19:40 asciilifeform so far it looks like ' mircea_popescu: great victory. asciilifeform : where? mircea_popescu : seekrit evidence, noneofyerbiznis'
19:40 mircea_popescu mno. by the time you have to resort to "in my village it rains apples, SO THERE!" you can "win", but it'll be all by yourself.
19:41 mircea_popescu the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset.
19:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in, e.g., erdogan's place, if you 'had won, and Still In Power, and They Will Never Leave Jail', would you secretly stow the defeated in some jail ? or impale on public square, where everyone can see'em ? why not the latter ?
19:41 mircea_popescu because the education of imbeciles is not on my budget.
19:42 mircea_popescu the impale thing happens when you aim to educate, which is what the display of violence without possibility of recourse is all about.
19:42 mircea_popescu if you simply aim to win, there's no marked benefit.
19:42 asciilifeform if nothing else, public execution is cheaper than guarding and feeding schmuck for years
19:42 mircea_popescu you think ?
19:43 asciilifeform and than having to deal with potentially endless stream of incoming idiots
19:43 mircea_popescu there's not going to be any stream in turkey.
19:43 asciilifeform the chinese shoot in stadiums, with roaring crowds.
19:43 mircea_popescu not the tibetansd.
19:46 asciilifeform meanwhile we have 454084.
19:46 asciilifeform 7 peers.
19:49 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lrfKn/?raw=true
19:58 deedbot http://qntra.net/2017/02/%d0%b1%d0%b8%d1%82%d0%ba%d0%be%d0%b8%d0%bd-%d1%8d%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%b5%d0%bd%d0%bd%d0%b0%d1%8f-%d0%b2-%d0%bc%d0%b8%d1%80%d0%b5-%d0%b1%d0%bb%d0%be/ << Qntra - "Биткоин — это единственная в мире блокчейн" says Russian State Bank
19:58 asciilifeform now ~that~'s interesting.
19:59 BingoBoingo !~tslb
19:59 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 8 seconds
19:59 BingoBoingo ty pete_dushenski
20:02 asciilifeform in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/sadnodes.txt
20:03 asciilifeform ^ if you see yourself on this list , know !
20:12 BingoBoingo !~tslb
20:12 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
20:15 BingoBoingo !~bcstats
20:15 veen BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a4mgA/?raw=true
20:16 jhvh1 BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":440779902286.5892} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
20:18 ben_vulpes interesting, my irc client is not receiving
20:18 ben_vulpes earlier i saw 3 lines from trinque hit all at once.
~ 21 minutes ~
20:40 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: de nada
20:41 * pete_dushenski checks sadnodes list, doesn't see own nodes
20:41 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: qntra comment replied
20:51 * pete_dushenski to hit some e-notes (the music kind)
~ 24 minutes ~
21:16 asciilifeform in other lulz, https://archive.is/qtwGu seems to claim that ru let city of new york autopsy churkin !
21:16 asciilifeform and then went on to 'it will take two weeks'
~ 43 minutes ~
21:59 asciilifeform in other lulz, 104.199.165.17 << google spider . now attempts to connect to trb nodez.
21:59 asciilifeform on 8333, speaking prbish.
~ 20 minutes ~
22:19 asciilifeform in other comedies, https://github.com/funkshelper/therealbitcoin
22:20 mod6 evening!
22:20 asciilifeform hey mod6
22:20 mod6 Finally caught up here...
22:20 mod6 <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html << ok, thx!
22:20 mod6 sounds like your nodes are stablizing and getting blocks, have connected peers.
22:21 asciilifeform mod6: dulap (with the new snip) is actually beating zoolag
22:21 mod6 ok cool.
22:22 mod6 im gonna build in your patch and deploy. see how it goes, thank you for your submission to the ML.
22:22 asciilifeform don't. yet.
22:24 mod6 ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then?
22:29 asciilifeform ACHTUNG, PANZERS:
22:29 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000249.html
22:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6 , ben_vulpes , et al ^
22:30 asciilifeform i can't fucking believe that nobody caught this.
22:31 asciilifeform sometimes i wonder whether anybody is even awake.
22:35 trinque in point of fact, I did bother to grep for ping.
22:36 trinque there's another mention in main.cpp
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform people have a little longer pipelines than THREE HOURS you.
22:46 ben_vulpes rather rude litte gnome isn't it.
22:47 * mod6 looks
22:47 mircea_popescu he gets overexcited and oversignals.
22:47 ben_vulpes he?
22:47 mircea_popescu lol did we mangle antecedents ?
22:48 ben_vulpes i'm talking about that funky github repo.
22:48 * mircea_popescu can't summon teh interest.
22:49 ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3dLmj/?raw=true
22:49 trinque just funkenstein virtue signaling while he pilfers
22:50 mircea_popescu eh whatevers.
22:51 mircea_popescu i'm sure about half the locker rooms in all highschools in history contained picture of most accomplished slut/jock in the class with words scribbled on it.
22:52 ben_vulpes anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing
22:54 mod6 many thanks, Mr. Vulpes.
22:56 mod6 asciilifeform: sig verifies. ima build this one, unless you want me to hold off still.
22:59 BingoBoingo Thank you alf for your impatience, its contribution is very appreciated
23:00 mod6 [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch]
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23:00 mircea_popescu k3k
23:09 mircea_popescu lol a1
23:10 mod6 :] for flavor.
23:10 asciilifeform mod6: pretty sure this is it
23:11 asciilifeform this one, lel, no longer bans trb nodes...
23:12 asciilifeform (or rather, no longer emits pings. trb nodes emitting pings -- still banhammered)
23:13 mod6 aha. werd.
23:17 asciilifeform quite possibly this experiment was misguided
23:17 asciilifeform what, i am suspecting, i oughta have done, is to banhammer strictly those nodes who ~pong back~
23:18 asciilifeform because as it is, trb nodes (such as zoolag) are getting the hammer.
23:18 asciilifeform the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes.
23:19 mircea_popescu i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency.
23:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i grow very tired of 'blackhole'
23:19 mircea_popescu yes but.
23:20 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: every so often, i actually need to send a tx. and grow very, very irritated if for whatever reason at all, i cannot.
23:20 mod6 hm. It ~is~ annoying. No gigantic rush.
23:21 mircea_popescu asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook.
23:21 asciilifeform in point of fact i have 2
23:21 mircea_popescu it's a p2p network, which means it's lossy, shitty and etc.
23:21 asciilifeform but sure.
23:21 mircea_popescu yes, but i tihnk you get my point.
23:22 asciilifeform eh i i had 22, or 222, i'd simply have a different reason (tx propagation fail) to be ragin
23:22 asciilifeform *raging
23:22 mircea_popescu anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate.
23:22 asciilifeform ok nao i'm curious, how's that
23:22 asciilifeform ?
23:23 mircea_popescu take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item.
23:23 mircea_popescu "wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro"
23:24 asciilifeform there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho
23:24 mircea_popescu perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item.
23:25 mircea_popescu which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make.
23:27 asciilifeform i don't 'zoologically' despise noisy channels.
23:27 asciilifeform i despise unquantifiably-noisy.
23:27 asciilifeform because it can easily mean 'toilet' without any possibility of knowing so.
23:27 mircea_popescu but the unquantifiable part is exactly the strength.
23:27 mircea_popescu yes.
23:27 asciilifeform unquantifiable engineering belongs in crack den.
23:28 mircea_popescu depends. consider the problem of the jungle.
23:28 mircea_popescu the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in
23:28 mircea_popescu except, of course, if fighting another civilised man.
23:29 asciilifeform swamp probably better example
23:29 asciilifeform but sure.
23:29 mircea_popescu we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit.
23:29 asciilifeform i remain unconvinced
23:29 mircea_popescu specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far.
23:30 mircea_popescu moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush.
23:30 mircea_popescu hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility.
23:30 asciilifeform x11, or gcc, etc are easily 1000x the volume of shit. and successfully llvm'd.
23:30 asciilifeform because it is a problem that succumbs to brute labour.
23:30 mircea_popescu specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit.
23:32 asciilifeform to briefly revisit upstack: in case this was unclear to anyone: goodbye-pingers ~breaks connectivity with stock trb~ and ought to be considered experimental/dangerous . it is not yet clear to me that the pill is an improvement over the disease.
23:32 mircea_popescu not without it being complete (ie, also stop pinging).
23:32 asciilifeform well the -revised ver. is.
23:32 asciilifeform but even so.
23:33 mircea_popescu myeah.
23:33 asciilifeform i am rather surprised, i admit, that dulap is speaking to ~anyone~
23:33 mircea_popescu a little bit of power rangering of your own hm ?
23:33 asciilifeform yet is is nearly synced
23:33 mircea_popescu some blocks get through in the brief interval.
23:33 asciilifeform not at all this.
23:33 mircea_popescu that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal.
23:33 asciilifeform pingers are banned immediately
23:33 asciilifeform none get anything through.
23:33 mircea_popescu well, once they ping
23:34 asciilifeform 454120 atm.
23:34 asciilifeform (and digesting a block as we speak)
23:34 asciilifeform 6 behind, e.g., bci.
23:34 asciilifeform to clarify: dulap is running the revised patch.
23:35 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was marked (EXPERIMENTAL) for a reason!!11
23:35 mircea_popescu you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment.
23:35 asciilifeform had link to mircea_popescu in l0gz!
23:36 mircea_popescu so it did :)
23:36 mircea_popescu "this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc.
23:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1454...5509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
23:36 deedbot http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6A90653FEB0AD1726BEB5103A2FB09DCEE0DCABC7EFD7E6AE69679FB320E1D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1758...8439 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '176.127.14.104 (ssh-rsa key from 176.127.14.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (104.14.127.176.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch. CH)
23:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd like to leave dulap as it is , to see how this change affects blackhole, but it does carry some of the 'trucks of britain' problem (as described by mircea_popescu article -- 'trucks over 5 tonnes will experimentally drive on left side of road first!11')
23:38 mircea_popescu experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed ; 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools ; 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4.
23:39 asciilifeform 1. 'blackhole.' 2. tcpdump on two blackholed trb nodes. multitude of peers emitting 'ping, ping, ping...' and soaking up sockets. 3. hypothesis: killing socket hoggers will dissolve blackhole. 4. 'socket-hogging prb is responsible for blackhole condition'
23:40 mircea_popescu yes but this is supposed to be done prior not ex post facto.
23:40 asciilifeform (4) is unfortunately ultimately rubbish, it is really the single-threaded, polled socket handler of trb that is ultimately morally responsible.
23:40 mircea_popescu there is that.
23:40 asciilifeform but the option of removing it is not on the table.
23:40 asciilifeform it is quite equivalent to scrapping the whole thing.
23:43 asciilifeform (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.)
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23:55 mircea_popescu btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
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23:55 mircea_popescu lulz of ALL FUCKING TIME.
23:56 asciilifeform l0l!!
23:56 mircea_popescu that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao
23:56 mircea_popescu "hey, guess who wants to spitroast you all ? i... could put him in charge you know."
23:57 mircea_popescu "and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?"
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