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00:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67637 @ 0.00055146 = 37.2991 BTC [+] {2}
00:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00055533 = 17.0764 BTC [+] {2}
00:10	mircea_popescu	holy shit phf you found wooly mushroom ?!
00:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00055536 = 28.9065 BTC [+]
00:29	phf	i will neither confirm nor deny it until i understand the implications :>
00:33	danielpbarron	i'll buy your keys+enumerations
00:37	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49636 @ 0.00054258 = 26.9315 BTC [-] {2}
00:40	phf	speaking of, why are keys get turned into little bit o' nothings?
00:44	mircea_popescu	nothing's forever.
00:44	mircea_popescu	!up moneycat
00:44	mircea_popescu	phf http://trilema.com/2015/an-image-worth-ten-thousand-words-of-sadness/ << implications
00:44	assbot	An image worth ten thousand words of sadness. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdHlSN )
00:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114400 @ 0.00055561 = 63.5618 BTC [+] {2}
00:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66762 @ 0.0005416 = 36.1583 BTC [-]
00:57	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00053454 = 21.9161 BTC [-] {2}
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01:15	cazalla	mircea_popescu, is this ddos on qntra or something else?
01:15	mircea_popescu	ddos.
01:15	mircea_popescu	its up right now neh ?
01:30	cazalla	not from here
01:33	BingoBoingo	Seems down
01:37	mircea_popescu	now it is lol
01:37	mircea_popescu	actually... i see it.
01:37	mircea_popescu	slow tho.
01:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00054874 = 16.6817 BTC [+]
01:45	phf	well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there
01:46	mircea_popescu	aw! why didn't you dig therm up on the spot like ?
01:47	phf	i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :)
01:47	mircea_popescu	lol
01:47	mircea_popescu	sucks, the mushrooms are in short supply.
01:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00055472 = 19.1101 BTC [+]
01:49	phf	scuffed up my pick for nothing too. eulora is unforgiving!
01:51	mircea_popescu	well... so how do youi like the scenery ?
01:56	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
01:56	gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 289.0, Best ask: 289.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 289.0, 24 hour volume: 69603.92785995, 24 hour low: 281.5, 24 hour high: 308.8, 24 hour vwap: None
01:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20019 @ 0.00055472 = 11.1049 BTC [+]
01:57	phf	it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery
01:58	mircea_popescu	incientally, you can lock claims you know ?
01:59	phf	mircea_popescu: oh, then and they stick around?
01:59	mircea_popescu	ya
02:00	mircea_popescu	anyway, as the population progresses there's gonna be moar maps, but atm too noobish :D
02:00	mircea_popescu	you folk haven't even built a ship yet!
02:00	phf	:o
02:01	mircea_popescu	or an escherian trestlework even
02:01	phf	i saw someone's tent so i assume that was possible, but a ship
02:02	phf	are you thinking of extending the same map, or completely new locations via teleports or such?
02:04	mircea_popescu	the latter.
02:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00055472 = 15.6986 BTC [+]
02:05	mircea_popescu	anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5.
02:06	mircea_popescu	there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play.
02:07	mircea_popescu	and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them
02:07	mircea_popescu	at least, that's the intended strategy.
02:09	phf	well, my initial impression is that it would be hard to discover all the available functionality
02:09	BingoBoingo	Does Eulora have chairs yet, so that they may be stacked for space exploration purposes?
02:09	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes.
02:10	phf	i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig)
02:10	mircea_popescu	crucial tool for mcguyvering too.
02:10	mircea_popescu	phf yeah the helpfile as bundled with the client is a mess atm.
02:10	phf	oh i thought that was pulled from the server
02:11	mircea_popescu	if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk
02:11	mircea_popescu	make your own :D
02:11	phf	ha
02:11	phf	"lock yo shit!"
02:12	mircea_popescu	it'll get wiped eventually even if locked, but you get more than the unlocked hour.
02:13	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83137 @ 0.00055533 = 46.1685 BTC [+] {4}
02:13	mircea_popescu	anyway, the current eulora problem as far as miners are concerned is : there's a single shot very powerful mining tool, which seems like the oinly hope to acquire essential resources choking toolmaking and cooking. since these are in short supply, people are working to make a map of known resources, so as to explore the unknown spots
02:14	mircea_popescu	so you can help with that.
02:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146113 @ 0.00055648 = 81.309 BTC [+] {3}
02:15	mircea_popescu	or alternatively you could find someone to sell you the crafting starter item and try to get skill starter drops
02:15	mircea_popescu	which has also been pretty slow.
02:17	phf	it's very much a scarcity world
02:17	mircea_popescu	well, the copper's bitcoin based, so.
02:17	phf	right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model
02:18	mircea_popescu	not even the funding model, it deliberately has a strong currency for purely game design concerns
02:18	mircea_popescu	none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ
02:18	mircea_popescu	!up CrazyLoafer
02:18	CrazyLoafer	wow this is where all the celebrities hang out :O
02:19	CrazyLoafer	i enjoy your writings mircea_popescu :)
02:19	mircea_popescu	an' who might you be ?
02:19	mircea_popescu	cool.
02:19	CrazyLoafer	just a crypto investor; saw a mention of this site and wanted to check it out
02:19	mircea_popescu	!topic
02:20	cazalla	CrazyLoafer, what are your investments?
02:20	mircea_popescu	hm that dun work huh. anyway, logs are in teh topic.
02:20	CrazyLoafer	BTC, LTC, XMR, some other smaller alts
02:20	mircea_popescu	which was xmr again ?
02:20	CrazyLoafer	monero
02:20	CrazyLoafer	rpietila's coin :P
02:20	mircea_popescu	haha i thought it was fluffypony 's
02:20	CrazyLoafer	well his too
02:21	mircea_popescu	wait.
02:21	mircea_popescu	fluffypony you actually met the silver baron dude ?
02:26	mircea_popescu	!up artilectinc
02:27	mircea_popescu	phf or for that matter wow style "rares" which everyone has. wtf is achievement even supposed to mean outside of a scarcity world.
02:27	mircea_popescu	dumbass ipad games, you tap the screen twice and it's CONGRATULATIONS! you're level 5.
02:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114303 @ 0.00055811 = 63.7936 BTC [+] {4}
02:28	mircea_popescu	which obviously, together with their inability to model, makes bullshit like "level caps" unavoidable and on and fucking on
02:28	*	mircea_popescu doesn't actually like anything about current games.
02:29	mircea_popescu	i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed.
02:29	*	BingoBoingo built cal3d, building crystalspace, seeing later if Eulora builds
02:29	mircea_popescu	what on, ubuntu ? tis breezy
02:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: OpenBSD
02:29	phf	3d jiggle technologies have gone a long way
02:30	BingoBoingo	cal3d was in ports, so yay
02:30	mircea_popescu	phf cheaper to just put one slave girl on twerk detail while playing an actual game
02:30	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo mind that you need a specific one.
02:30	phf	:D
02:31	BingoBoingo	Well only one way to find out
02:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63595 @ 0.00053865 = 34.2554 BTC [-] {2}
02:35	mircea_popescu	this is true.
02:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11098 @ 0.0005376 = 5.9663 BTC [-]
02:36	mircea_popescu	if you manage to get it going on openbsd put the recipe in http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora ima give you some gin or wine or something
02:36	assbot	Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXaQhR )
02:36	BingoBoingo	K
02:37	phf	it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game
02:37	BingoBoingo	I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace
02:38	phf	mining for example is usually solved either by people who have nothing better to do but grind, or else heavy scripting
02:41	mircea_popescu	eulora mining is complex.
02:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00056078 = 15.0289 BTC [+] {3}
02:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78600 @ 0.00056172 = 44.1512 BTC [+]
02:49	mircea_popescu	phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well.
02:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00056172 = 37.0173 BTC [+] {2}
02:52	phf	i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any
02:53	phf	so i'm sure there's some kind of logic there that i don't yet understand
02:53	mircea_popescu	sure.
02:54	mircea_popescu	but basically, from a player pov, the economy is elastic enough you can choose. you wish to risk 100 coppers per click, do X. you wish to risk 10k per click, no need to do X 100 times, can just as well do Y.
02:54	mircea_popescu	whereas in stupid games, it's "faucet X is the biggest, gotta bot this or bust".
02:55	mircea_popescu	and it has little to dowith bottage, it becomes a time arbitrage - if bots are prevented chinese farms will do it by hand
02:55	phf	seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm
02:55	mircea_popescu	well yes.
02:55	mircea_popescu	that's exactly it.
02:55	phf	i see what you mean above
02:55	phf	right
02:56	mircea_popescu	some people enjoy the detail, they can do X. some people enjoy pacino's puckered asshole... let them do y.
02:56	mircea_popescu	there's no level cap either, you can craft anything as a noob.
02:56	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game
02:56	mircea_popescu	so is he for real ?
02:56	mircea_popescu	had the longest standing debate with hanbot, whether he's a superellaborate troll or what.
02:56	fluffypony	yeah, and he's a nice enough guy, had fun drinking with him in Berlin
02:56	mircea_popescu	nuts.
02:57	fluffypony	which of you said he isn't a troll?
02:57	mircea_popescu	amusingly, we took turns at it over the years.
02:57	fluffypony	lol
02:57	mircea_popescu	but mostly, her.
02:58	fluffypony	CrazyLoafer: Risto holds XMR, and he's vocal, but he's not responsible for directing it in any way - https://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people
02:58	assbot	The People Behind Monero | Monero - secure, private, untraceable ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5fpFN )
02:59	scoopbot_revived	The increasingly tricky proposition of multiculturalism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/14/the-increasingly-tricky-proposition-of-multiculturalism/
03:01	mircea_popescu	phf which is why it's fun - actually fun. because you gotta find a way. it's too complex to effectually model even, at least so far, so therefore what bots.
03:01	mircea_popescu	now, granted, this isn'tr most people's idea of fun - having an untractable problem in their lap.
03:01	mircea_popescu	then again, i don't give a shit about most people.
03:04	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58300 @ 0.0005575 = 32.5023 BTC [-]
03:05	phf	well, it was naive of me to expect a b-a game to be mindless ;)
03:08	mircea_popescu	it is pretty disruptive, or in the converse expression, it isn't at all described by what people think when they hear the word mmorpg.
03:15	mircea_popescu	;;later tell nubbins` btw, phf managed to get it going on os/x
03:15	gribble	The operation succeeded.
03:20	trinque	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo_n_7788128.html
03:20	assbot	Donald Trump Calls FBI After El Chapo, Escaped Drug Lord, Threatens Him On Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3C4Fb )
03:21	mircea_popescu	they'd better shut down his account!
03:21	trinque	seriously where are the administrators
03:21	mircea_popescu	threats are a serious matter. expecially on the internets!
03:21	trinque	lol
03:22	trinque	this would be the best publicity yet for mr trump
03:22	mircea_popescu	and especiallymost when directed at random starlets so desperate for publicity they'd eat their own head
03:24	ag3nt_zer0	I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical
03:24	ag3nt_zer0	past and thus no concern for the future,, etc
03:26	mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 cultural relativism has just about nothing to do with multiculturalism
03:26	mircea_popescu	the relationship is quite akin fast food and cuisine.
03:26	mircea_popescu	mr tricatel isn't in any sense part of the academie francaise, that's for mr. duchemin
03:27	mircea_popescu	(you seen l'aile ou la cuisse ?)
03:27	ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: in the states this is what it is
03:27	mircea_popescu	mno
03:28	mircea_popescu	"the states" isn't a special place where the derps can get 5 to be an transcendental if they so agree.
03:28	ag3nt_zer0	I think we are talking about different thnigs here
03:28	mircea_popescu	aha ?
03:29	ag3nt_zer0	Here it becomes simply a term that excuses all of that shit I described
03:29	trinque	I think we just wiped our ass with our only copy of the language.
03:29	mircea_popescu	sure, and there you also have "the country of africa" and assorted other fictions
03:29	ag3nt_zer0	its lumped right there with tolerance and diversity
03:32	ag3nt_zer0	I think Mark Steyn said multiculturalism is a unicultural phenomena
03:33	ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: if that was for me, I haven't seen l'aile ou la cuisse
03:33	trinque	whatever one can say about multiculturalism, it's not going to come from any observation of the modern usa
03:33	mircea_popescu	so maybe check it out. it's the same discussion, except carried out in the 70s
03:34	ag3nt_zer0	what about Sharia law in London?
03:35	mircea_popescu	what about it ?
03:35	ag3nt_zer0	I mean I like the mexicans tacos for sure but the culture doesnt respect education in the same way... so there is a clash there
03:36	trinque	the education problem isn't their culture, it's the school's culture
03:36	ag3nt_zer0	and the way it is dealt with in the west these days seems to just LCD everything
03:36	mircea_popescu	the who to the what now ?
03:37	ag3nt_zer0	ok. does not Sharia Law conflict in a number of ways with the western "liberty traditon"?
03:37	mircea_popescu	i dunno. like which ways ?
03:38	ag3nt_zer0	well for instance what's the left gonna do when the gays have issues with the muslims?
03:38	mircea_popescu	this you gotta ask the left :)
03:39	mircea_popescu	but from the little i cared to read, it'd seem to me "sharia law" applies in london within sharia laws communities, which is not actually relevant to you.
03:39	ag3nt_zer0	trinque: I don't think thats the reason... Intelligence and motivation are greater than facilities and even teachers
03:39	mircea_popescu	what about "amish law" and whatever./
03:40	ag3nt_zer0	check US Ed Reform black hole for supporting statistics
03:40	trinque	ag3nt_zer0: my comment was about why you have to care whether they "respect education"
03:40	trinque	if so why are they in school
03:40	trinque	once they're there, how do you expect to fix it?
03:41	trinque	as for the sharia thing, they play that a lot in the "right" leaning news here
03:41	trinque	that europe is falling to teh muslims
03:41	trinque	probably about like maryland is falling to the blacks
03:42	ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: I don't know what about Amish Law.
03:42	mircea_popescu	but there's this community of weirdos doing things like forcing kids to go without electricity.
03:42	ag3nt_zer0	I see multiculturalism as about as well-intentioned as the food court in the mall
03:42	mircea_popescu	not to even go into the no-transfusion groups or whatnot.
03:42	ag3nt_zer0	hmmm
03:42	ag3nt_zer0	well I dont mind that
03:43	mircea_popescu	bully for you
03:43	cazalla	the no transfusion thing is bullshit .. i grew up with that and when push comes to shove, most opt to take blood
03:43	mircea_popescu	so what's this, we're gonna tailor the shoulds and should nots by what you mind ?
03:43	ag3nt_zer0	haha no
03:43	ag3nt_zer0	I dont see the connection
03:43	mircea_popescu	some people keep the kids in blessed underwear ; some people keep the kids without ipads ; some other people keep the kids in burkas
03:44	ag3nt_zer0	Have you seen detroit?
03:44	trinque	yes but I don't like the burkas
03:44	mircea_popescu	what exactly is your choice paradigm to distinguish between these, and why exactly is it that the utah mormons don't bother you but the london muslims do.
03:44	trinque	that totalitarian thought gets buried deep.
03:45	mircea_popescu	to not even go into the chinatowns. those people put VINEGAR into their COOKED food, and sugar in things which are not desert.
03:45	ag3nt_zer0	because the utah mormans are still under the umbrella of western aeonic development
03:45	mircea_popescu	this, in romania, is excomunication.
03:45	mircea_popescu	ahahaha wut.
03:46	chetty	the difference is the mormons dont try to insist everyone should wear their underwear, the muslims get pretty insistant about burkas
03:46	mircea_popescu	o really ?
03:46	ag3nt_zer0	different peoples just have different ways of doing things... this also means that they have different ways of doing civilization... so that maybe one group can't take the reigns from another without significant hardship and the potential high risk for failure and disaster
03:47	ag3nt_zer0	see detroit maybe
03:47	mircea_popescu	i take it you've never had jehovites at the door chetty ?
03:47	ag3nt_zer0	sure i have
03:47	chetty	well none of them ever tried to behead me for not listening
03:47	mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 yeah well if the brits weren't some unvigorous waster cunts, mayb the muslims wouldn't HAVE TO take their country from them
03:47	mircea_popescu	how about that.
03:47	trinque	chetty: sounds like a defense problem
03:47	trinque	technology should solve that one
03:48	mircea_popescu	chetty as proven by what, that you still have your head ? maybe they tried but ineptly, like anything else they do
03:48	chetty	hahahaha
03:48	mircea_popescu	lol
03:48	ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: how bout it. might be somethin to that
03:49	trinque	they did after all blow up that building that time
03:49	mircea_popescu	i dunno that muslims pester non muslim women to wear burkas. not anymore than catholics pester non catholic women about how to raise the children
03:49	trinque	and some other ones
03:49	mircea_popescu	but i did find out with dismay that the fucktarded usians convicted some dude to hard prison for fucking his partner on some beach
03:50	trinque	"florida man"
03:50	mircea_popescu	which to me personally is about as offensive as anything the mulsims do in their god forsaken desert shithole.
03:50	ag3nt_zer0	"partner" haha
03:50	chetty	well if the news can be believed they are killing a lot of christians in the ME for not converting ...
03:50	trinque	it's really sad. reported as a pair of perverts because gasp, a 4 year old saw
03:50	mircea_popescu	what, like the us is killing a buncha ukrainians for same ?
03:50	mircea_popescu	war is war. tana-nanana
03:50	ag3nt_zer0	oh thats bad
03:50	mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI
03:50	assbot	Live is Life - Opus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEHOIO )
03:51	ag3nt_zer0	let's talk about this again in 20 years!
03:51	chetty	MP just might feel a little different if he were female
03:52	mircea_popescu	well you'd feel a lot different if you were a lobster
03:52	ag3nt_zer0	I, for one, can't wait for the premiere of I am Cait!
03:52	mircea_popescu	cuz iirc they don't eat lobster.
03:52	mircea_popescu	or wait, that's the jess
03:52	mircea_popescu	jews*
03:53	cazalla	ag3nt_zer0, are ya gonna gather the family round and watch together?
03:54	ag3nt_zer0	given that the suicide rate is like 10 times higher if you are by "nature" transgender, I have this sick thought that it would be epic if I am Cait ended with a self inflicted shotgun blast to the head...
03:54	trinque	so this guy cut his dick off to land a TV series?
03:55	mircea_popescu	what's this thing anyway ?
03:55	ag3nt_zer0	cazalla: yes
03:55	ag3nt_zer0	Bruce Jender
03:57	mircea_popescu	anyway, there's a very readily obvious and openly available method to not have to suffer the indignities of the defeated.
03:57	mircea_popescu	don't fucking lose.
03:57	ag3nt_zer0	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4MvD9IEAE
03:57	assbot	The European Grammar of Self-Intolerance [Jonathan Bowden] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEIxcW )
04:03	cazalla	ag3nt_zer0, the white guilt shit in that video, i don't really understand or grasp why people suffer from that
04:03	trinque	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/14/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN0PM0CE20150714
04:03	assbot	Iran, big powers clinch landmark nuclear deal| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEJ52l )
04:03	trinque	so how long before saudi asks pakistan for one of its preordered nukes?
04:03	trinque	cazalla: me either
04:05	ag3nt_zer0	well, ... the video is 12 minutes long and i posted it 6 minutes ago... maybe at least give the whole thought a listen
04:05	cazalla	ya, only 4m in
04:06	ag3nt_zer0	fwiw, I sat through college lectures on "micro-aggressions" where the big bad white man just sat there and took it that he was the bad guy
04:06	trinque	I'm still listening to it
04:06	ag3nt_zer0	that's the guilt
04:06	ag3nt_zer0	or the cowardice
04:06	ag3nt_zer0	whatever
04:06	trinque	yeah, american college is terrible
04:06	trinque	I was paid to go and still left
04:06	punkman	"“We’re dealing with basically tourists,” Dafonseca said. “They’re here on the beaches of Manatee County, our public beaches. So you want to make sure that this isn’t something that just goes by the wayside. And that it is well known to the community what will be tolerated and what won’t be.”"
04:06	punkman	ahaha
04:07	trinque	ag3nt_zer0: what guilt? the class is on teaching you that you're guilty.
04:07	trinque	so tell them to fuck themselves?
04:07	ag3nt_zer0	yeah maybe
04:07	ag3nt_zer0	but when you put in 7 years
04:07	ag3nt_zer0	most arent willing to do that
04:07	ag3nt_zer0	I did.
04:07	trinque	too bad for 'em
04:07	ag3nt_zer0	but I was alone
04:08	ag3nt_zer0	they were all busy loving
04:08	ag3nt_zer0	or chasing that psper
04:08	ag3nt_zer0	I was terrified while I was doing it man... they held the power
04:08	ag3nt_zer0	and I did it for stupid idealistic shit
04:08	trinque	I'm just a bag of mineral water walking around, man
04:08	trinque	fuck a national or cultural identity
04:08	mircea_popescu	haha mineral water srsly.
04:08	ag3nt_zer0	like "if I dont stand up now, I cant tell studetns to later"
04:09	ag3nt_zer0	haha... fortunately it worked out
04:09	trinque	this guy said hegemonic
04:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77500 @ 0.00056235 = 43.5821 BTC [+] {2}
04:10	trinque	yeah man, he's just giving people excuses for being confused about who they are
04:11	trinque	maybe it is harder in the shit ocean, but sucks for them
04:11	ag3nt_zer0	Oh I love Bowden man
04:11	trinque	otherwise what, a better church?
04:11	trinque	or a mother-state?
04:11	ag3nt_zer0	it's like medicine for california disease
04:12	trinque	I am always suspicious of a person giving someone a very serious sounding description of an abstract mental dysfunction they have.
04:12	trinque	apply that to whatever you like
04:13	trinque	church, public school bureaucrats, so on
04:13	cazalla	ag3nt_zer0, i never finished school but by paying to attend these places of higher education, you are buying what they're selling whether it be white guilt or what not.. i ran into this type of shit in different jobs but i always just refused to go along with it and they were always stumped as what to do next
04:13	trinque	both for the obvious reason and because for the person hearing it, it sounds like a damned fancy excuse to not put themselves together
04:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00056159 = 26.2824 BTC [-]
04:14	cazalla	in the mid 90s students were asked to sign a "sorry book" apologising to the australian aboriginies.. i just refused to sign it and that was that, if the other students had simply done the same, it would not have gained any traction, there was no consequence for not signing the stupid fucking book
04:14	punkman	"Jose Caballero, 40, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison today for an X-rated beach frolic he had with Elissa Alvarez, 21, last July. Both Caballero and Alvarez will both have to register as sex offenders for their mischief, which involved copulating on a crowded beach, in the middle of the day, in front of a four-year-old."
04:15	trinque	lol! sorry book!
04:15	punkman	only 2.5 years
04:15	trinque	cazalla: that's hilarious
04:15	trinque	we're just supposed to look sadly at the page of the book on the trail of tears for a few minutes, then move on
04:15	cazalla	but these fucking drones just signed it and passed it to the next person, i never really understood that
04:15	punkman	sorry book indeed
04:16	ag3nt_zer0	trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity - i used to feel that way... but I always felt like you can go the other way too... thinking that things matter. So, it's from there that I would ask are a culture and, much later, a nation, originally expressions of individual races?
04:17	cazalla	but anyway.. what is that saying.. a nation can survive anything but treachery from within.. mircea_popescu is right that if you don't want to suffer this, don't be on the losing team.. if muslims ride into battle and rape and kill all the english (or australians) than i guess so be it, only thing i despite more than the muslims are the limp wristed whites
04:17	mircea_popescu	it'll do them a lot of good
04:18	mircea_popescu	the people born of that will not suck so much
04:18	mircea_popescu	punkman and she's pretty, too.
04:19	trinque	she got less time, maybe because of that?
04:19	trinque	or maybe she turned on him and signed the "yes we actually fucked" papers
04:19	mircea_popescu	cazalla so people wanna play this kink for a while, big whoop.
04:20	mircea_popescu	trinque or maybe they just dunno wtf they're doing, spinning the wheel of morality over there
04:20	ag3nt_zer0	trinque: I still feel that way btw... I just oscillate in efforts to destroy what I thought earlier
04:20	trinque	who trusted us with a country
04:20	mircea_popescu	"in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ?
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04:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20943 @ 0.00056159 = 11.7614 BTC [-]
04:20	mircea_popescu	nothing can happen "in front of a four year old". because no four year old is the fucking axis of thew world already
04:22	punkman	trinque: she got no time
04:22	trinque	lol!
04:22	trinque	well good, it's only penises that are illegal anyway
04:22	ag3nt_zer0	cazalla: yes I bought what they sold and willingly... and I am that now
04:23	punkman	http://fusion.net/story/136443/this-rapper-shot-a-police-officer-will-stand-your-ground-set-him-free/
04:23	assbot	This rapper shot a police officer. Will 'Stand Your Ground' set him free? | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1fEKWEt )
04:23	BingoBoingo	What's the weirdest node useragent everyone is connected to right now. I'm apparently peering with: "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.11.99/Gangnam Style:v1.00XL",
04:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144500 @ 0.0005588 = 80.7466 BTC [-] {2}
04:29	cazalla	what is the command BingoBoingo
04:30	BingoBoingo	cazalla: Depends on your version. In 0.7 getpeerinfo was introduced
04:30	BingoBoingo	Otherwise I guess you gotta check the logs
04:31	cazalla	"subver" : "/btcwire:0.2.0/", have not seen this one before
04:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.0005575 = 39.4153 BTC [-]
04:32	cazalla	meh nothing interesting, only 30 odd connections.. was over 100 for a few weeks but dropped off for some reason
04:41	punkman	(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)
04:41	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49209 @ 0.00056288 = 27.6988 BTC [+]
04:43	mircea_popescu	!up Itile
04:45	Itile	Hi all. When bet 1158 will be payed, who know?
04:46	cazalla	Itile, you win that one too eh?
04:46	mircea_popescu	tonight prolly.
04:46	cazalla	i believe bets are paid 2 days from resolved now
04:47	Itile	3 days 7 hours
04:48	*	mircea_popescu blames bitcoin.
04:48	cazalla	poor Itile, waiting like patience on a monument over here
04:48	mircea_popescu	guy got a point.
04:49	Itile	What is maximum of delaying in days? Faq not answer this.
04:49	cazalla	eh i'm waiting too, i could bitch that kakobrekla should pay as fast as he collects but who'd listen, i'm sure it'll be paid
04:49	*	cazalla drinking... drought has ended, whiskey rains from the sky
04:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97550 @ 0.00056311 = 54.9314 BTC [+] {3}
04:50	punkman	how long did ya hold out cazalla
04:50	mircea_popescu	Itile you mean maximum so far ? i dunno, something like a week on contentious bets iirc.
04:50	cazalla	punkman, about 6 weeks.. not drinking sorta reminded me of why i drank in the first place
04:52	BingoBoingo	Ah, an empty block 365248 https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001231d5e7302cbb649f6e6e7aa2abe280b441a07da2229bed
04:52	assbot	Bitcoin Block #365248 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiNNaZ )
04:52	mircea_popescu	why was that ?
04:53	cazalla	mircea_popescu, me?
04:53	mircea_popescu	ya
04:54	cazalla	meh i dunno, it's a good friend in that you don't see it for a while but you just pick up where you left off
04:55	cazalla	can't say that about many other people in my life
04:56	BingoBoingo	So, asciilifeform's node is connected to blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/ip-address/195.211.154.159
04:56	assbot	Transactions Relayed By 195.211.154.159 - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiO91j )
04:57	BingoBoingo	cazalla: You had a good run
04:58	Itile	Bet 1090 was resolved 30-06, but payed 11-07. Why so long period? 11 days!
04:59	BingoBoingo	Very contentious stuff that bat
05:00	cazalla	BingoBoingo, yeah longer than i thought i'd last.. i'll enjoy this bottle and then take another break i think
05:00	mircea_popescu	Itile a contentious bet can linger forever.
05:05	punkman	was USMS the longest bet?
05:05	mircea_popescu	possibru
05:06	mircea_popescu	bfl was also open for a while
05:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50566 @ 0.00056323 = 28.4803 BTC [+]
05:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00056324 = 15.2075 BTC [+] {2}
05:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66150 @ 0.00056405 = 37.3119 BTC [+]
05:31	cazalla	http://i.imgur.com/1ZjkiF2.jpg
05:31	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HGcgrZ )
05:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056407 = 44.8154 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 28 minutes ~
06:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121558 @ 0.00055694 = 67.7005 BTC [-] {2}
06:04	cazalla	preddy sure million dorrrah extreme is best evar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfdFNS6ycgo
06:04	assbot	Techno Toys - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiVbDd )
		~ 16 minutes ~
06:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00055668 = 6.7358 BTC [-]
06:21	cazalla	hehe http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt
06:21	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXaY8 )
06:23	punkman	wtf is that
06:25	cazalla	i gotta deedbot it son
06:25	cazalla	but i am so drunk i forget how
06:25	cazalla	fuck, i know this
06:26	cazalla	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/187N8ZX.txt
06:26	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GiXK8n )
06:26	deedbot-	Bad URL or network outage.
06:26	punkman	you gotta sign it, but maybe wait until tomorrow
06:34	cazalla	ya, can't even sign my own name at this point
06:34	punkman	just don't dpaste your private key
		~ 17 minutes ~
06:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120900 @ 0.00055944 = 67.6363 BTC [+]
06:57	cazalla	nah it'd have to be deliberate to do such a thing
07:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91070 @ 0.00056172 = 51.1558 BTC [+] {4}
07:08	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12030 @ 0.00056458 = 6.7919 BTC [+] {2}
07:08	cazalla	BingoBoingo, you put any faith in this rumour that da williams sisters are actually men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwrP1zHC5Eo
07:09	assbot	IRREFUTABLE PROOF that Serena Williams IS A MAN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5wlfa )
07:15	fluffypony	omg
07:15	fluffypony	a flag fell, so therefore
07:15	fluffypony	what am I watching
07:16	fluffypony	oh apparently Michelle Obama is a man too
07:17	cazalla	yeah this is some deep level alex jones type shit fluffypony
07:18	cazalla	new ISIS movie is preddy gud
07:18	cazalla	"kill them wherever you find em"
07:19	cazalla	headshotting helicopters
07:19	cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC72WsPCPMk
07:19	assbot	Islamic state fighter shoots down Iraqi helicopter with MANPADS in Salahuddin province (July, 2015) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5x00a )
07:20	fluffypony	shot down with a mani-pedi?
07:20	fluffypony	salon staff are getting violent
07:25	shinohai	experimental pogo landing page: http://i.imgur.com/fXrKnMe.png?1
07:25	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IXx9Ee )
07:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00056531 = 23.0364 BTC [+]
07:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00056415 = 24.7662 BTC [-]
07:51	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58154 @ 0.00056415 = 32.8076 BTC [-]
07:57	punkman	http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may042013/visner-michigan-tk.php
07:58	punkman	http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4d_1436834334
07:58	assbot	LiveLeak.com - Guy Threatens To Shoot Out With Sheriff ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7S7SA )
08:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49175 @ 0.00055885 = 27.4814 BTC [-] {2}
08:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00055118 = 7.0551 BTC [-]
08:32	jurov	;;isup qntra.net
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08:32	gribble	qntra.net is down
08:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97150 @ 0.00056444 = 54.8353 BTC [+] {2}
08:51	jurov	<trinque> [20150714 03:19] should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf << no, it needs own valid cert, otherwise peers will go "wtf is this. disconnect!"
		~ 16 minutes ~
09:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00056215 = 21.1368 BTC [-]
09:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.00056253 = 24.9038 BTC [+] {2}
09:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29629 @ 0.00056554 = 16.7564 BTC [+]
09:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193300 @ 0.00055437 = 107.1597 BTC [-] {4}
09:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109935 @ 0.00056581 = 62.2023 BTC [+] {3}
		~ 25 minutes ~
09:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33109 @ 0.00054846 = 18.159 BTC [-]
10:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50568 @ 0.00056158 = 28.398 BTC [+] {2}
10:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00056676 = 47.7212 BTC [+] {2}
10:18	shinohai	Here is the beast that will solve all your time issues: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Computer-Terminal-and-Monitor-LCD-Quartz-Mini-Clock/111704622008?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29980%26meid%3Deaed39f400a34191b05cad268f8d3baf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D111680976291
10:18	assbot	IBM Computer Terminal and Monitor LCD Quartz Mini Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1GjpYQg )
10:23	jurov	lol why not these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Betty-White-Bea-Arthur-Golden-GIrls-TV-Show-Television-Wall-Clock/141715392312
10:23	assbot	Betty White Bea Arthur Golden Girls TV Show Television Wall Clock | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMut7 )
10:25	jurov	http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-17-Flying-Fortress-Pin-Up-Girl-Bomber-Wall-Clock-51/131554091879
10:25	assbot	B 17 Flying Fortress Pin Up Girl Bomber Wall Clock 51 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBMCsL )
10:26	thestringpuller	why is qntra getting hammered? they hate us cause they ain't us?
10:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67173 @ 0.00055695 = 37.412 BTC [-] {2}
10:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99261 @ 0.00056477 = 56.0596 BTC [+] {3}
10:43	fluffypony	why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive
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10:45	mats	ideology.
10:53	asciilifeform	from the lulzfarms: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d8z5x/today_ebay_bans_bitcoin
10:53	assbot	Today, eBay bans bitcoin... : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtB86T )
10:55	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27015 @ 0.00056692 = 15.3153 BTC [+] {2}
10:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59235 @ 0.00056707 = 33.5904 BTC [+]
10:57	asciilifeform	in other nyooz, just the mempool on the s.nsa node is a GB and a half
10:57	asciilifeform	pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
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10:58	asciilifeform	what kind of imbecile thought that it was proper to have an unbounded data structure ?
10:59	asciilifeform	that eats arbitrary tonnage of shit fed in from the net, no less.
11:02	decimation	asciilifeform: it is taking weeks for my 2gb ram server ti sync
11:03	decimation	it's not even hitting swap all that hard
11:05	jurov	decimation: it has hdd/ssd?
11:05	decimation	mechanical hdd
11:05	decimation	plenty of space
11:06	jurov	well.... that's just too slow. either add RAM or change to SSD
11:06	jurov	or some unholy combination, perhaps
11:07	decimation	yeah I think it is I/O limited
11:08	decimation	it seems to be maxing disk reads at around 16 megabit/s and writes at 8 megabit/s
11:08	jurov	dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come
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11:09	jurov	now if these ssds in msata format were actually cheap
11:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00054607 = 22.7711 BTC [-]
11:15	decimation	ah, I had cstate shit enabled, might be part of the problem
11:21	mats	hm, seems all versions of Flash on Firefox are blocked by default right now
11:23	danielpbarron	!up junseth
11:23	junseth	Hi everyone. thought i'd come by for another flogging :)
11:27	funkenstein_	junseth, don't give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings
11:27	junseth	yes more!
11:27	funkenstein_	hehe, actually I'm in line with you
11:28	funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 <-- need a patch to nuke all TX relaying
11:28	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
11:28	jurov	FREE FLOGGINGS
11:29	jurov	funkenstein_: imo tx relaying is fine.. but holding them in memory beyond that is problematic
11:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00054607 = 15.29 BTC [-]
11:35	funkenstein_	jurov, true, one could have a max size or max bandwidth even as command line flags with a bit of work.
11:35	funkenstein_	i was sorta under the assumption the main purpose was to be present en masse in block relaying network, hence providing some sanity in block verification
11:36	jurov	and who will relay transactions?
11:37	funkenstein_	that is responsibility of tx publisher to get them to a miner
11:38	funkenstein_	though plenty of full nodes on real iron still will relay
11:39	funkenstein_	tx relaying is strictly philanthropic at the moment if iiuc
11:39	jurov	so you yourself connect directly to miners and never need tx relaying services?
11:40	funkenstein_	for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners
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11:41	funkenstein_	with increasing use i expect it to get harder and harder
11:41	jurov	O.o i cant even
11:42	funkenstein_	my point is, tx relaying is useful but non-essential
11:44	jurov	how it is non-essential?
11:45	jurov	are you using bitcoin at all?
11:45	funkenstein_	integrity of blockchain and consensus is essential. How TXs get to miners is not. They could go by pigeon to Luke-JR's kitchen if need be.
11:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131050 @ 0.00054559 = 71.4996 BTC [-] {2}
11:46	jurov	"blockchain is more important than bitcoin" i heard it somewhere
11:46	funkenstein_	my argument is bitcoin is more important than TX relaying
11:47	jurov	and my experience is that having a stable long-running and well-connected node gives me an edge with my transactions propagations
11:48	jurov	why even running a node otherwise?
11:49	jurov	lets just submit everything to blockchain.info and verify their blocks and sleep tight
11:49	jurov	?
11:49	funkenstein_	so you can check yourself the coin you receive
11:50	jurov	how? pogo will not have wallet nor block explorer
11:50	jurov	also, what happens when blockchain.info screws up like recently? how are the tx gonna go to miners?
11:51	funkenstein_	ok pogo is a different story again.. for me broadcasting a tx is not as time important usually as your needs i bet
11:53	gernika	<+mats> ideology. << what about a qntra email list? I'd search the logs to see if this has been proposed in the past but ... can't.
12:00	mats	dun think so
12:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00054559 = 33.772 BTC [-]
12:08	gernika	My OpenBSD bitcoind has stopped syncing: trying connection x.x.x.x:8333 lastseen=-371358.4hrs lasttry=-399136.2hrs | it had been syncing from the address in the qntra post.
12:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00054559 = 9.0568 BTC [-]
12:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 186085 @ 0.00054559 = 101.5261 BTC [-]
12:19	mod6	what block?
12:19	mod6	#
12:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84987 @ 0.00054607 = 46.4089 BTC [+]
12:23	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76650 @ 0.00054533 = 41.7995 BTC [-] {3}
12:24	gernika	mod6 250694
12:25	mod6	ok, yeah, im getting the same thing.
12:25	mod6	(gentoo) turned mine on to try. node must be down or something.
12:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50064 @ 0.00054509 = 27.2894 BTC [-]
12:31	danielpbarron	my 0.5.3.1-beta node has also stopped syncing
12:31	danielpbarron	"blocks" : 365253,
12:32	danielpbarron	ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : not enough fees << lots of this in my debug.log
12:34	danielpbarron	!up fromphuctor
12:35	fromphuctor	hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com?
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12:36	danielpbarron	i don't think you can, but asciilifeform and mircea_popescu are the ones that could do it if it can be done
12:36	danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200705 << a guy threatened to punch me in the face for offering him some cannabis infront of his 4ish year old the other day
12:36	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 08:20:36; mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ?
12:37	fromphuctor	so should I private message them or wait here?
12:37	danielpbarron	wait here
12:38	jurov	fromphuctor: did you remove the info from SKS keyserver, too?
12:39	jurov	also, other keyservers might mirror it
12:39	fromphuctor	i havent but when I google my name it's only showing up at nosuchlabs.com
12:41	danielpbarron	is your key phucked?
12:44	nubbins`	yeah, is your key phucked?
12:44	nubbins`	curious minds wish to know
12:46	mod6	danielpbarron: so you're like 50 blocks behind now?
12:47	danielpbarron	yeh
12:47	fromphuctor	I no longer use the key and I just dont want my info being indexed by google
12:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90885 @ 0.00054509 = 49.5405 BTC [-]
12:49	danielpbarron	fromphuctor, but is the key cracked? I'm sure a bunch of people would like to know how you created it if it was.
12:50	mod6	hmm, that error comes from one place: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0442 << perhaps thats when all of those tiny tx's started filling up the block space?
12:50	assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu16at )
12:50	fromphuctor	danielpbarron. I have no idea, I longer use it
12:51	fromphuctor	no longer*
12:51	trinque	fromphuctor: maybe you don't understand the purpose of phuctor?
12:52	fromphuctor	sure it's to store my public gpg key
12:52	nubbins`	nope
12:52	trinque	incorrect
12:52	nubbins`	it's to find keys that were generated insecurely
12:52	trinque	^
12:52	danielpbarron	fromphuctor, was the text all a happy green or a mean red?
12:52	nubbins`	phuctor is smashing numbers together, right now, churning through huge data sets of pgp keys
12:52	mod6	its purpose is to factor keys with GCD
12:53	mod6	rsa keys
12:53	nubbins`	trying to find clues as to broken implementations, flaws in rsa, etc
12:53	trinque	fromphuctor: sks is the system which distributes public keys
12:53	fromphuctor	GCD(N, Π(∀n)): 1 (Ok, for now!)
12:53	fromphuctor	not sure what that means but it's green
12:53	trinque	fromphuctor: then why would you want that info taken off the internet?
12:53	trinque	this means your key is *not* broken
12:53	nubbins`	means nobody else's key is suspiciously similar to yours :D
12:53	nubbins`	(yet!)
12:54	fromphuctor	I dont want the other associated info on the net
12:54	trinque	fromphuctor: a public key is called public because it is safe to distribute
12:54	fromphuctor	I'm aware of that
12:54	trinque	what is this, the right to be forgotten?
12:54	nubbins`	heh
12:54	danielpbarron	well so far he's only asked nicely
12:54	nubbins`	fromphuctor, i can only imagine your key was gleaned from some other publicly-accessible key server
12:54	mod6	yeah, iirc keys will not be removed from the phuctor pool.
12:54	danielpbarron	and makes a good point: only nosuchlabs shows up in google search
12:55	mod6	!up ascii_field
12:55	danielpbarron	!up ascii_field
12:57	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << ahahahahahaha. you can't. deal with it.
12:57	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com?
12:58	fromphuctor	im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed
		↖
12:58	ascii_field	in my country, you cannot copyright your name.
12:59	ascii_field	(which we don't even know)
12:59	danielpbarron	oo here we go!
12:59	*	danielpbarron "grabs popcorn" or w/e
12:59	fromphuctor	which country is that
12:59	ascii_field	usa.
13:02	trinque	I'm still perplexed by the idea that someone would be bothered by what is a highly beneficial *free* service annotating entirely *public* data
13:02	fluffypony	but pubkeys are easily browsable on other key servers
13:02	trinque	^
13:02	ascii_field	aha, virtually all of the pubkeys in phuctor come from sks.
13:02	trinque	but it's really important that *this* one be taken down
13:02	ascii_field	which is mirrored 1,001 times worldwide.
13:02	fluffypony	look, fromphuctor, here's mine: http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x7455C5E3C0CDCEB9
13:02	assbot	Search results for '0x7455c5e3c0cdceb9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu3PRo )
13:02	fluffypony	publicly visible
13:02	fluffypony	with *gasp* personal information
13:03	fluffypony	hosted by the Glorious Defenders of Privacy at MIT
13:04	fromphuctor	if my info disappeared from sks, would it be removed from nosuchlabs
13:04	ascii_field	fromphuctor: afaik nothing has ever disappeared from sks.
13:04	fromphuctor	that doesnt answer my question
13:04	ascii_field	the answer is no.
13:05	fromphuctor	do you maintain the database for nosuchlabs
13:05	ascii_field	fromphuctor: realize that anyone can submit anything to sks
13:05	asciilifeform	!up fromphuctor
13:05	fluffypony	SKS doesn't mandate that you remove data to keep in sync
13:05	ascii_field	i.e. your enemy can submit the key again
13:06	fluffypony	yup
13:06	fluffypony	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_server_(cryptographic)#Problems_with_keyservers
13:06	assbot	Key server (cryptographic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0QyDm )
13:06	ascii_field	i am under no obligation to modify my code to make 'mr x' (whose name we do not yet know, nor have any proof that 'his' key is his) disappear every time someone submits him.
13:06	fluffypony	'Once a public key has been uploaded, it is difficult to remove. Some users stop using their public keys for various reasons, such as when they forget their pass phrase, or if their private key is compromised or lost. In those cases, it was hard to delete a public key from the server, and even if it were deleted, someone else can upload a fresh copy of the same public key to the server. This leads to an accumulation of old fossil
13:06	fluffypony	public keys that never go away, a form of "keyserver plaque".'
13:06	fluffypony	also known as the "sorry for you" problem
13:07	funkenstein_	maybe one day we will learn to use namecoin
13:07	fromphuctor	im not concerned about the key floating around, just the other information listed on nosuchlabs
13:07	ascii_field	fromphuctor: we even have a list of folks for whom some hooligan submitted entirely fraudulent (as far as we can tell) keys. nothing can be done about this.
13:07	fromphuctor	sounds solid
13:07	ascii_field	fromphuctor: what other information? the only things visible are what is in your key - the name and email addr entered when it was generated.
13:08	fromphuctor	right, and I want that removed
13:08	ascii_field	fromphuctor: did you upload your key to sks? or did it live under your pillow, and you are telling us that someone stole it and uploaded it ?
13:09	fromphuctor	I'm pretty sure I uploaded it to sks years ago
13:09	ascii_field	then you are officially fucked and i officially have zero sympathy.
13:10	ascii_field	you are welcome to wait until mircea_popescu logs on, and ask him for a contact address where to file a frivolous lawsuit. he loves winning those.
13:10	fromphuctor	im not asking for sympathy, Im asking you to remove my name and information from your website
13:10	jurov	name and email (optionally even photo!) are part of public key and thus public.
13:10	ascii_field	fromphuctor: the answer is no. any other questions ?
13:10	fromphuctor	sure, ill wait for mircea
13:11	fluffypony	so you can hear the same thing again?
13:11	ascii_field	fluffypony: nah he wants to give mp his money
13:11	fromphuctor	nah, ill take your compan's info
13:11	fluffypony	my company?
13:11	fluffypony	my company doesn't have a public key in SKS
13:11	fluffypony	although you do remind me of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3cd6oj/im_in_highschool_and_money_was_stolen_from_my/
13:11	assbot	I’m in highschool and money was stolen from my bank account. I need help NOW : legaladvice ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hu5TJ9 )
13:12	trinque	encounters strange... gets scared and angry...
13:12	trinque	they ought to have a test for this in early childhood
13:12	trinque	fromphuctor: you've been done a service at another's expense, and you're behaving like a fool
13:13	ascii_field	trinque: we haven't even any reason to believe that mr x owns the private key to this pubkey (which? also no idea)
13:13	trinque	course not
13:14	ascii_field	nor that this fella's mother gave him this name (again, which name?)
13:14	trinque	sure, but y'know he's gonna SUE
13:14	fluffypony	I do find the righteous indignation humorous
13:14	ascii_field	aha. not even in schmuckistan where i live, can you win this.
13:14	fluffypony	it's not like this is a revenge porn site and we're laughing at the diminutive size of his member
13:15	trinque	it's a goddamn public phone book
13:15	ascii_field	mirror of phonebook with 1,001 mirrors.
13:15	ascii_field	none of which the fool wrote to, presumably
13:16	ascii_field	nor google, which appears to be the proximate cause of his sorrows
13:16	ascii_field	(why not write to google? they censor first, ask questions later)
13:18	trinque	anyone else noticed the from* pattern of nicks?
13:18	ascii_field	trinque: that's proper
13:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100300 @ 0.00054607 = 54.7708 BTC [+]
13:18	ascii_field	trinque: folks who click the link on phuctor www get a webportal into freenode
13:18	ascii_field	and that's the default nick
13:18	trinque	ah I see
13:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00054164 = 77.5628 BTC [-] {4}
13:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00053789 = 52.2829 BTC [-]
13:34	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
13:34	ascii_field	https://www.os3.nl/_media/2013-2014/courses/ccf/chromecast-cedric-peter.pdf << re: the device spoken of yesterday. discusses fw reflashing
13:34	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HubrmW )
13:36	ascii_field	in other lulz, http://cryptome.org/2015/07/spooky-aircraft.htm
13:36	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HubVcw )
13:36	ascii_field	BingoBoingo ^
13:38	danielpbarron	SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000000581 height=365258 work=10171447580846858256181698 << my 0.5.3.1-beta node is syncing again
13:38	ascii_field	danielpbarron: was this a clock problem ?
13:39	danielpbarron	don't think so, or at least I did nothing to correct anything
13:40	danielpbarron	didn't even restart it
13:40	mod6	now it's workin?
13:41	mod6	ok so you've moved up 5 blocks.
13:43	mod6	would be inetersting/nice to see the ms time on how long it takes to process blocks {365`251, 365`252}; blocks > 900kb
13:44	danielpbarron	on a pogo the answer is a few minutes
13:44	mod6	hmm
13:45	danielpbarron	height=365259
13:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130150 @ 0.00053554 = 69.7005 BTC [-] {6}
13:48	danielpbarron	height=365260
13:52	thestringpuller	mod6: "The bitcoin foundation doesn't care reddit-people." - Kanye West
13:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40670 @ 0.00053319 = 21.6848 BTC [-] {3}
13:55	danielpbarron	height=365261
13:56	mod6	thestringpuller: ha
13:57	mod6	danielpbarron: ah ok
13:57	mod6	365259 = 908.97k - 1090 tx's
13:58	mod6	365260 = 249.83kB - 467 txs
13:58	mod6	365261 = 909.83kB - 693 txs
14:05	gernika	Still seeing: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
14:05	thestringpuller	!up ascii_field
14:05	ascii_field	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/inside-an-online-content-mill-or-writing-4156-words-a-day-just-to-earn-lunch-money << re: philippinoization
14:05	assbot	True confessions: I wrote for an Internet content mill | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0c6lC )
14:06	gernika	Maybe the qntra node is running short of connections?
14:06	ascii_field	'The site’s support documentation explains how it works: “First you write a normal original article. Then you make two rewrites of it. All three articles (PDF) must have the same number of paragraphs and each paragraph of each article must have about the same meaning.” This is because the end product is cut up, chopped, and changed to create even more alternative stories. In the content-producing machine
14:06	ascii_field	, the sausage is just the start of it—that's ground up and made into meatballs, meatloaf, and a million other products.'
14:07	thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net
14:07	gribble	qntra.net is down
14:07	thestringpuller	qntra has been down all day
14:07	thestringpuller	gernika ^^^
14:08	gernika	sorry, not qntra node, bitcoind node referenced in qntra article. canonical bitcoind node is a better term?
14:09	thestringpuller	you talking about the real bitcoin? or bitcoind?
14:09	ascii_field	https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2164585-web-article-7-13-final.html << lolz!
14:09	assbot	Web Article 7 13 Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0crEF )
14:09	ascii_field	^ purportedly official statement from 'hackteam'
14:10	ascii_field	(they don't appear to believe in pgp, so i cannot say if authentic)
14:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00054551 = 8.2918 BTC [+]
14:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73842 @ 0.00054667 = 40.3672 BTC [+] {2}
14:14	gernika	thestringpuller: mp's seed node listed here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4a4Og6KrsB4J:qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
14:14	assbot	Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul30K )
14:14	funkenstein_	http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/11/staged-isis-beheading-video-hacked-from-mccain-staffer/ <-- more nice hack story
14:14	assbot	Staged ISIS Beheading Video Hacked from McCain Staffer | Veterans Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hul4lp )
14:20	ascii_field	https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/11/why-did-victims-in-islamic-state-beheading-videos-look-so-calm-they-didnt-know-it-was-real << usg's canned response to ^
14:20	assbot	Why did victims in Islamic State beheading videos look so calm? They didn’t know it was real. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0dtRl )
14:24	thestringpuller	ascii_field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root#Overview_of_the_code
14:24	thestringpuller	tell me about this magic i've found
14:24	ascii_field	famous!
14:24	ascii_field	appears to be fully explained in the lined article.
14:25	ascii_field	*linked
14:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00053921 = 37.4212 BTC [-] {3}
14:30	funkenstein_	thestringpuller, wow that is awesome. do people use this in grav. or e&m simulations?
14:31	ascii_field	funkenstein_: mno. it's accurate enough for 3d shooter, that's more or less it
14:31	ascii_field	then again, i wouldn't put it past some chinese grad student to throw it in somewhere
14:32	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162100 @ 0.00054833 = 88.8843 BTC [+] {2}
14:39	punkman	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html
14:39	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA )
14:39	punkman	why no title assbot
14:39	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
14:39	ascii_field	i'm not really happy with the removal of the rpc password generator
14:39	ascii_field	but already said this.
14:39	punkman	is back
14:39	ascii_field	i suppose mod6 and ben_vulpes ought to make the call
14:40	danielpbarron	my node is held up again, this time at height=365262
14:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00053508 = 25.1488 BTC [-] {2}
14:40	ascii_field	danielpbarron: anything about rejected blocks in the debug.log ?
14:41	danielpbarron	not that I'm aware of
14:41	danielpbarron	grep for rejected shows nothing
14:42	punkman	danielpbarron: you have any logs with a reorg?
14:42	punkman	whoever does, maybe post to mailing list
14:44	danielpbarron	yeah, this same node has reorganized in the past, but that's not the case with this latest hold up
14:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 227100 @ 0.00055471 = 125.9746 BTC [+] {6}
14:51	kakobrekla	[20:38:58] <punkman> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000123.html
14:51	assbot	[BTC-dev] updated debug_sanity ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jsWa )
14:51	kakobrekla	[20:39:00] <assbot> ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0h2XA )
14:52	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I0jrl2 )
14:52	kakobrekla	[20:39:14] <punkman> why no title assbot
14:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00055851 = 5.3528 BTC [+]
14:53	punkman	kakobrekla: 10/10 customer support, would buy again
14:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055941 = 21.2016 BTC [+]
15:02	jurov	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html and it found its way here, too
15:02	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy )
15:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21263 @ 0.00055874 = 11.8805 BTC [-]
15:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140800 @ 0.00056568 = 79.6477 BTC [+] {4}
15:10	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200807 << myeah working on it.
15:10	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 12:32:12; jurov: ;;isup qntra.net
15:10	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200828 << i am never using cloudflare.
15:10	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 14:43:36; fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive
15:10	nubbins`	!up ascii_field
15:10	mircea_popescu	and the infortmation of WHO READS IT is not usg's business.
15:11	nubbins`	why not use windows for casual web browsing?
15:11	nubbins`	it's not like the etc etc
15:11	nubbins`	why not smash your dick with a hammer?
15:11	nubbins`	etc
15:11	mircea_popescu	"Please understand that you mentioned you accept "Bitcoin" as a method of payment. Some online payment companies are fairly new and inexperienced and they do not provide sufficient fraud protection to members. When we review payment methods to determine whether they are allowed on eBay, two key factors that we consider are "Security and Safety" and "Ease of use". Please do not offer this payment method."
15:11	mircea_popescu	fucktards.
15:12	mircea_popescu	"ideology" ? yeah, that's right : usg's fucking ideology.
15:12	ascii_field	ferfuxxake, direct fiefdom of paypal
15:13	ascii_field	who exactly expected to be able to use btc there
15:13	ag3nt_zer0	good morning
15:13	mircea_popescu	dude, forget this expecting.
15:13	mircea_popescu	im not setting mental limits on the basis of implicit conventions.
15:13	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200835 << myeah.
15:13	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 14:57:48; asciilifeform: pogo is going nowhere until we have a mempool limit mechanism.
15:14	fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I didn't mean indefinitely
15:14	fluffypony	I meant whilst this is going on
15:14	mircea_popescu	if i recall this was discussed, i was spouting things like "sort the tx pool by value per byte, kick out bad txn and nodes that propose them, always offer a buttered selection to askers"
15:14	ascii_field	no, i meant what i said and i said what i meant, walrus is certain one hundred percent (tm) (r)
15:14	ascii_field	gotta evict from cache or crash
15:15	ascii_field	unbounded data structure + finite ram == barf
15:15	ag3nt_zer0	the funnies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA&feature=youtu.be
15:15	assbot	Philosophers Football - Monty Python's Fliegender Zirkus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0n6ze )
15:15	ascii_field	we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool.
15:17	thestringpuller	ascii_field: you can set the policy to drop tx's without fees from the mempool i though
15:17	trinque	buhhh no search
15:17	trinque	so suppose I dropped a link to last night's islam thread
15:17	ascii_field	thestringpuller: not the answer to 'potentially infinite liquid shit in a finite bag'
15:18	trinque	it's a problem solved by both the WoT and building cities according to a concept of "good standing == access" not universal access for all
15:18	mircea_popescu	ascii_field i dun parse that, are you disagreeing or wut ?
15:18	trinque	cardano would be a nice device for this
15:18	trinque	you go up to some gate and do assbot-style authentication
15:18	trinque	and either enter or don't
15:18	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters.
15:18	ascii_field	rather than 'oomkill because retarded'
15:19	mircea_popescu	if we're going to do this, which is nonstandard, a) better make it good.
15:19	ascii_field	like i said for the orphans,
15:19	ascii_field	IT ALREADY DIES
15:19	mircea_popescu	there is no benefit to half-solving the problem.
15:19	ascii_field	already has the limit
15:19	ascii_field	sheer physical limit.
15:20	ascii_field	so where is this 'nonstandard.' ~ANY~ machine has finite ram, it is entirely standard.
15:20	thestringpuller	would this be first in first out type of mechanism?
15:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41922 @ 0.00055874 = 23.4235 BTC [-]
15:20	thestringpuller	oldest tx's get evicted first for newer tx's received?
15:20	ascii_field	for starters.
15:21	ascii_field	this is closest to the default behavior (death of whole node)
15:21	mircea_popescu	so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin
15:21	mircea_popescu	g accepted txn. then it refuses connectioon to shit nodes. permanently. it still reads from them, but sends nothing.
15:21	ascii_field	did mircea_popescu just ask for a <=4GB db ?
15:21	mircea_popescu	this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer.
15:22	mircea_popescu	ascii_field nothing wrong with keeping a finite ip db and flushing the lowest entries as needed, just like iptables works.
15:24	mircea_popescu	ideally the -so much, +so much and min_node_value are to be set in config file by user.
15:24	ascii_field	this is not a bad scheme, but - complicated
15:24	mircea_popescu	not worth doing the other one. you'll just end up isolated on the network.
15:24	ascii_field	'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail'
		↖
15:24	ascii_field	no more isolated than if you do nothing
15:24	ascii_field	and crash
15:24	*	mircea_popescu , master of bitesizes.
15:24	mircea_popescu	yes. that's isolated.
15:25	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: briefly describe hypothesis re: why an evict-oldest mempool node would end up isolated
15:26	mircea_popescu	because you present an arbitrary fraction of the current mempool, there is no incentive for anyone to peer you.
15:26	mircea_popescu	you may either present : a) the whole mempool (current best behaviour) or b) a selected fraction (hopefully future best behaviour)
15:26	ascii_field	this is different from 'isolated.' isolated would mean that extant nodes auto-drop you
15:27	ascii_field	'no incentive' for most of the network participants to do what they are doing - is the current situation.
15:27	mircea_popescu	i didn't mean that isolated. i just meant, "and it never amounted to anything" isolated
15:27	ascii_field	ok
15:27	ascii_field	then - yes
15:28	*	ascii_field hopes that no one is waiting for ~him~ to write this, is occupied with other things presently
15:29	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200847 << this is actually not bad an idea
15:29	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 15:08:39; jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come
15:30	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200869 << eh stfu.
15:30	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 15:40:48; funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners
15:31	mircea_popescu	ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains.
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15:32	ascii_field	possibly the most dangerous change yet proposed
15:32	mircea_popescu	but it is i think the first chance to actually improve on extant code by writing something since the start of this project. rather than just cutting warts off and sewing the crater together
15:32	mircea_popescu	yes.
15:32	ascii_field	i dare say the second
15:32	ascii_field	parallel verif. - also useful
15:32	ascii_field	(and approximately same complexity)
15:32	nubbins`	<+ascii_field> who exactly expected to be able to use btc there <<< once listed a casascius coin on ebay. a buyer messaged me through the site asking to pay in btc :o
15:32	mircea_popescu	ah right
15:33	ascii_field	nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine
15:33	mircea_popescu	o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ?
15:33	mircea_popescu	ascii_field his point was "who expects". apparently, buyer.
15:33	ascii_field	but if you accept anything but paypal - can be thrown out of 'ebay'
15:33	ascii_field	aha
15:37	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201203 << consider posting some pseudocode for this, if you have a notion of how it oughta work
15:37	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 19:31:33; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains.
15:38	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: why would the network isolate you if you're dropping tx's out of the mempool?
15:39	thestringpuller	it seems this is broken, if tx's oom a nodes' mempool wouldn't this technically be a fraction of the mempool shared by other nodes with more memory?
15:39	thestringpuller	this being the default functionality
15:39	ascii_field	precisely what i said.
15:39	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << you can't, and fuck your stupid mother for fucking the lousy drunk that would spring forth an attempted abortion such as yourself for EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
15:39	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 16:35:26; fromphuctor: hello, how can I get my information removed from nosuchlabs.com?
15:40	ascii_field	thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool
15:40	mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the notion that bitcoin is open "to everyone" does not include fromfuctorhead above.
15:40	mircea_popescu	bitcoin is open for everyone who can keep the whole thing. the whole blockchain, the whole mempool, etc.
15:40	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field
15:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00056844 = 24.6703 BTC [+] {2}
15:45	mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200957 << o motherfucker will there be no end of this idiocy
15:45	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 16:58:35; fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed
15:45	ben_vulpes	phrance!
15:45	ben_vulpes	whoa mp's getting out the banhammer
15:46	mircea_popescu	no dude, "the consumers have come to expect". pssshhh
15:47	trinque	... and it's a beneficial service?!
15:47	trinque	for free!!
15:47	ascii_field	mircea_popescu: you know that's the shared arse for everyone who comes in from nosuchlabs.com, right ?
15:47	trinque	say "thank you"
15:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86082 @ 0.00056869 = 48.954 BTC [+] {2}
15:48	mircea_popescu	ascii_field on the same ip.
15:48	ascii_field	ah
15:48	trinque	ascii_field: but he banned the specific mask for that user
15:48	nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> o look who's back. when did you get out nubbins` ? <<< just coming up for air 8)
15:48	ascii_field	ah i c
15:48	ascii_field	l0lz
15:48	ascii_field	imho the fella was trolling
15:48	ascii_field	he didn't claim a name, or a key, much less a signature of one with the other
15:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33529 @ 0.00056879 = 19.071 BTC [+]
15:49	nubbins`	<+ascii_field> nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine <<< i suggested to buyer we take tx off-site; he agreed. mildly surprised message filters or smth didn't get in the way
15:49	ascii_field	and readily admitted to having uploaded it himself, to sks
15:49	ascii_field	nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...'
15:50	ben_vulpes	trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert
15:50	nubbins`	8)
15:50	ascii_field	(tm) (r)
15:50	nubbins`	and yet here we are
15:50	ben_vulpes	trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext
15:50	ben_vulpes	WOO
15:50	mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes everyone emails passwords in plaintext. EVERYONE
15:50	mircea_popescu	it's fucking retarded.
15:50	ben_vulpes	the *stored* password
15:50	ben_vulpes	the *unsalted* *unhashed* *stored* password
15:51	nubbins`	i used to work for big insurance co
15:51	mircea_popescu	well if you email it anyway... why bother with bcrypt ?
15:51	nubbins`	called helpdesk one day with an issue
15:51	mircea_popescu	cheaper to sniff mail than to break server.
15:51	nubbins`	they asked me for my password over the phone
15:51	nubbins`	"you want me to just say it?"
15:51	mircea_popescu	and it happened to be drop table if exist dash dash ?
15:52	trinque	ben_vulpes: lawl
15:52	nubbins`	"but i work in a cubicle"
15:53	thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net
15:53	gribble	qntra.net is down
15:54	thestringpuller	damn. down all day.
15:54	trinque	that idea of opening a gate with a cardano... really fun
15:54	trinque	I can't wait to hold one in my hands
15:55	mircea_popescu	myeah.
15:55	ascii_field	waitwut
15:55	ascii_field	opening a gate ?
15:55	ascii_field	i can't wait to see all the nails folks try to pound in with this microscope.
15:56	trinque	ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence
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15:56	trinque	I've actually had a few dreams about such a place
15:56	thestringpuller	what if someone steals your cardano?
15:56	thestringpuller	lol
15:56	trinque	thestringpuller: same answer as if someone steals your anything
15:57	trinque	what's better, a retinal scan? lol
15:57	ascii_field	we had this thread
15:57	ascii_field	with mr ninjaspam
15:57	ascii_field	see logz.
15:58	trinque	ascii_field: which? stolen cardano?
15:58	ascii_field	aha
15:58	trinque	seems you'd have some other key elsewhere, you'd sign your cardano key
15:58	trinque	and you could perhaps sign a "my cardano was stolen" message to address thestringpuller
15:59	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201280 << this appears in, among other places, 'beneath a steel sky'.
15:59	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 19:56:20; trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence
15:59	mircea_popescu	ascii_field garage door!
15:59	trinque	ascii_field: neat
15:59	ascii_field	trinque: also not so easy. see the key revocation thread of last month.
15:59	trinque	k
16:00	trinque	in this case presumably the city itself would be controlled by someone in particular
16:00	trinque	so it is a centralized problem
16:01	trinque	*he* grants you access or does not
16:01	ben_vulpes	zhe
16:01	trinque	so there is a central point which can reject the key in the future
16:01	trinque	ben_vulpes: the lesbian dreadfort notwithstanding
16:02	ascii_field	assbotburg
16:02	ascii_field	perhaps folks who are '! downed' will slide, literally, down a chute.
16:03	mircea_popescu	cryptoguillotine ?
16:03	ascii_field	cryptodulap.
16:03	mircea_popescu	not sure i wanna see that.
16:06	nubbins`	cryptooubliette
16:06	nubbins`	hm. cryptoubliette?
16:06	ascii_field	we did that one here
16:06	ascii_field	'coke machine'
16:08	nubbins`	bbl
16:12	thestringpuller	#b-a labeled gasenwagens?
16:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58000 @ 0.00057034 = 33.0797 BTC [+] {2}
16:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120100 @ 0.00056091 = 67.3653 BTC [-] {2}
16:19	mod6	!up ascii_field
16:26	mircea_popescu	gernika_ it's up and down as i have the 363736 issue examined.
16:26	mircea_popescu	by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain.
16:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25126 @ 0.00055874 = 14.0389 BTC [-]
16:31	mircea_popescu	relatedly : i am reasonably satisfied the ~950 kb single tx a few days ago was trying its best to make pre 0.10 clients unable to verify the chain anymore.
16:31	ascii_field	^ mechanism ?
16:32	mircea_popescu	it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have.
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16:32	ascii_field	would love to read the logic behind this hypothesis
16:32	ascii_field	(i
16:32	ascii_field	've been looking myself, for this)
16:32	mircea_popescu	ascii_field not fully understood yet, but it seems to exploit a buffer overflow in their own fucktarded code.
16:32	mircea_popescu	anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens.
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16:32	ascii_field	i still have a 0.8, it runs
16:33	mircea_popescu	but i said 6 or 7
16:33	ascii_field	ah hm
16:33	ascii_field	BingoBoingo ^ ?
16:33	mircea_popescu	it doesn't work ALL the time either
16:34	ascii_field	broomstick only needs to shoot once
16:35	ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201324 << waitasec, how's that work
16:35	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:01; mircea_popescu: it didn't actually work, obviously, but i must say without all the work the foundation put in, it probably WOULD have.
16:36	ascii_field	afaik i'm the only one actually running a public-facing realbitcoinotron
16:36	mircea_popescu	the stator nodes don't suffer from it
16:36	ascii_field	ah
16:36	mircea_popescu	and no, i have nfi why
16:36	ascii_field	actually i think i do
16:37	mircea_popescu	hm ?
16:37	ascii_field	we cremate orphan tx. and the 'tx spam' is sent in rapid succession, and depends on previous instances of same, and hence spends much of its life cycle as 'orphan tx'
16:37	mircea_popescu	oh
16:37	ascii_field	aha.
16:37	mircea_popescu	yeah very probable.
16:38	*	ascii_field does these things for actual reasonz
16:38	mircea_popescu	yeah you know what, this work actually made a difference.
16:38	ascii_field	spiffy.
16:38	mircea_popescu	i have nfi where i'd be had b-a never happened and foundation never happened and etc, trying to make sense of this situation
16:39	ascii_field	probably somewhere deep in the 2012 shitter
16:39	mircea_popescu	as it is, i'll be moving infrastructure to strator.
16:39	*	ascii_field will enjoy reading mircea_popescu's old node if he ever gets tired of it and prints it
16:39	mircea_popescu	*towards* i guess, is the better word
16:40	mircea_popescu	neway, needless to say, i'm actually impressed. for once world of shit averted.
16:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113593 @ 0.00054082 = 61.4334 BTC [-] {2}
16:40	ascii_field	how, i must say i wonder, did mircea_popescu even persuade anyone to shovel the sheer tonnage of shit to write his soviet pdp clone 0.6
16:40	mircea_popescu	had no particular expectation to see anything like this yet, either.
16:41	mircea_popescu	ascii_field it's complicated.
16:41	ascii_field	if it was written by a phriend, i would love to see him among our number here.
16:41	mircea_popescu	but the truth, in general, is that closed systems have a very short shelf life. you can get away with it for a matter of years, maybe, if you're very good at managing it. not decades.
16:41	gernika	<+mircea_popescu> by now a multitude of people have copies, of that chain. << got it. switched to another node and now syncing.
16:47	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Takes about as much time as any other "problematic" block but gets chewed through just the same
16:47	ascii_field	BingoBoingo: 0.7 ?
16:48	mircea_popescu	what machine ? what's logs say ?
16:48	BingoBoingo	ascii_field: 0.7.2 Just renumbered it to advertise as 0.7.3.9
16:49	ascii_field	incidentally, there's never been a better time to open a zoo of these
16:49	ascii_field	all known versions, etc
16:49	mircea_popescu	hm. might be too late.
16:49	mircea_popescu	yes.
16:49	mircea_popescu	very much so.
16:49	ascii_field	not too late, flood of crud still going strong.
16:49	mircea_popescu	the "tx spam" bs never did anything.
16:49	mircea_popescu	best i could tell anyway
16:50	mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field
16:50	ascii_field	it 'did' the 950+kB blox, what else
16:50	mircea_popescu	ah in that sense
16:50	ascii_field	aha.
16:50	mircea_popescu	nah, that block was a single tx.
16:50	mircea_popescu	and it was not even relayed (as it's not in fact relayable)
16:51	ascii_field	the one moving to/from 6-char brainwallets
16:51	ascii_field	afaik it is part of the overall crap fleet.
16:52	mircea_popescu	!up arhuaco
16:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00054811 = 64.677 BTC [+]
16:55	BingoBoingo	Ah, looks like megatx never got here
16:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94426 @ 0.00053831 = 50.8305 BTC [-]
17:00	mircea_popescu	well that'd explain it.
17:01	thestringpuller	http://www.truthcoin.info/blog/win-win-blocksize/ << interesting haven't finished it tho
17:01	thestringpuller	but love the line "This compulsion means that, for the first time, the opinion of the ignorant masses (if misled, or merely divided) can actually destroy Bitcoin."
17:09	ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200342 << twas my assperience
17:09	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 03:27:43; asciilifeform: and stopped
17:09	ben_vulpes	phf: didja grunt out a script or something else i could try?
17:10	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11323 @ 0.00053831 = 6.0953 BTC [-] {2}
17:12	mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/4f9a3353edb5edf22b8f889c0bc2486f/tumblr_n2apt70IYI1tsigedo1_1280.jpg << here's the woman, and here's the tech. therefore, woman in tech.
17:12	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SlHgDk )
17:12	mircea_popescu	any questions
17:22	mod6	!up assbot
17:22	mod6	!up ascii_field
17:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107850 @ 0.00053831 = 58.0567 BTC [-]
17:28	thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: don't you mean tech in women?
17:37	ben_vulpes	thestringpuller: aka teledildonics?
17:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160874 @ 0.00055702 = 89.61 BTC [+] {3}
17:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146700 @ 0.00057024 = 83.6542 BTC [+] {4}
17:49	BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/39WJ5B5.txt
17:49	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1f0YpFG )
17:52	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36924 @ 0.00053974 = 19.9294 BTC [-]
18:00	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36787 @ 0.00055576 = 20.4447 BTC [+]
18:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95431 @ 0.00055576 = 53.0367 BTC [+]
18:15	Adlai	straw poll here, please
18:16	Adlai	who's ever had somebody try to sell them bitcoins unsolicited?
18:16	fluffypony	everyone
18:16	asciilifeform	!up ascii_field
18:16	*	Adlai only lost that cherry tonight
18:16	ascii_field	Adlai: not me
18:16	Adlai	aha
18:16	*	trinque raises hand
18:16	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2000 @ 0.00111 = 2.22 BTC
18:16	trinque	then the guy tried to give me some oddly
18:16	mats	smells like a trap
18:16	trinque	a miniscule amount
18:16	*	Adlai is guessing that ascii_field steers clear of bitcoin "meetups", of all their shapes and forms
18:17	trinque	mine was some scamzor from otc
18:17	Adlai	exactly. i ratted the guy out in front of the group, it was a little hilarious
18:17	*	ascii_field never went to anything even vaguely bitcoin-related in the flesh other than for mircea_popescu's c2 and c3
18:17	Adlai	suddenly everybody tries to buy
18:17	Adlai	HOW MUCH DID HE WANT etc
18:17	Adlai	ascii_field: bitcoin != Bitcoins
18:17	Adlai	shit
18:17	Adlai	but you get the idea
18:17	Adlai	one of those was a typo
18:17	ascii_field	not them, either
18:18	ascii_field	i live in wrong part of the world for this
18:18	Adlai	as though i'm in the right part!
18:18	Adlai	now it's my turn to 'lol'
18:18	ascii_field	although university of maryland did have buterin over as guest speaker, apparently, some months ago
18:18	ascii_field	i entirely missed this.
18:19	Adlai	one good thing did come of the meetup, my new Bitcoin Price Index is fees/coin
18:19	ascii_field	(they also had obama, no less than twice. also missed that. snore.)
18:19	Adlai	the question is... which percentile of "fees" is used in the calculation
18:19	Adlai	thus our answer is in fact just another question
18:20	mats	missed it? as in, you wanted to go?
18:20	ascii_field	no.
18:20	ascii_field	missed as in, was vaguely aware and didn't give a flying fuck
18:21	Adlai	please tell me it was the same event
18:21	ascii_field	dun think so
18:21	Adlai	last i heard, from the most reputable of reputables, obama was gunna "crush" bitcoin
18:22	Adlai	few days later, 300, 160, who knows what. here we are today.
18:22	*	Adlai goodnight
18:25	pete_dushenski	the only thing obama is gonna crush are his video game enemies in 'easy' mode.
18:25	pete_dushenski	the dude couldn't even put boots on the ground in syria, as fucking if he could do better than gavin and hearn.
18:26	mats	hey, he armed ISIS. close enough to 'boots on the ground'.
18:26	pete_dushenski	he could -maybe- throw a wrench in some up and coming social media app. maybe..
18:26	pete_dushenski	mats lol. now helping the enemy win is a victory !
18:27	pete_dushenski	because hey, can't just be losing wars for two generations straight.
18:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35231 @ 0.00054945 = 19.3577 BTC [-] {2}
18:27	pete_dushenski	gotta find victories wherever you can. and, hell, just create them ex nihilo everywhere else.
18:28	mats	well, they weren't the enemy at the time. just 'moderates' looking for cash and weapons to fight al-Assad
18:28	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75769 @ 0.00054324 = 41.1608 BTC [-]
18:28	mats	circa 2011 iirc
18:28	pete_dushenski	maybe if obama promises to pay eternal tribute to the caliphate, isis won't wipe his face in his own vomit.
18:29	mats	hard to anticipate, they've gotta take baghdad first
18:29	pete_dushenski	mats sure, in dreamlandia where anyone can be allies with the devil and then turn their back on him whenever they feel like it with no repercussions.
18:29	mats	iran and the saudis are active in the region and may crush them yet
18:30	mats	out of sheer self-interest and to return the balance of power to as it was
18:30	pete_dushenski	saudis will fall to isis.
18:30	pete_dushenski	there's little doubt of that.
18:30	mats	i doubt it.
18:31	pete_dushenski	saudis are already teetering on the bring of self-immolation post-abdullah
18:31	pete_dushenski	brink*
18:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00057093 = 27.4332 BTC [+]
18:32	pete_dushenski	i dun seriously think that the saudis are ruthless enough nor rich enough to win this contest
18:32	trinque	and ISIS is rich enough?
18:32	trinque	how many oil fields do they have now?
18:32	pete_dushenski	a couple anyways.
18:33	pete_dushenski	but isis has a sufficiently powerful 'why' that their soldiers are cheap and oh so very cut throat
18:33	trinque	this much is true, yet
18:33	*	trinque checks over his shoulder
18:33	pete_dushenski	saudis don't stand for jack shit
18:33	trinque	no isis yet boss
18:33	trinque	just a lovely landscape
18:34	trinque	among other things I think whatever successes ISIS has had reflect that nobody really wants to have Iraq or Syria be their problem
18:34	pete_dushenski	and why should the middle east be anyone's problem other than that of the middle easterners ?
18:35	trinque	I am talking about middle eastern powers
18:35	trinque	I am not a scholar on the subject, but it seems as an outsider that the major factors are Saudi, Iran and Israel
18:36	trinque	those seem to be perpetually beating war drums against eachother; perhaps ISIS is a complicating factor in that situation which none want to approach lest they unbalance the former
18:36	decimation	saudis are not ruthless enough < I strongly doubt. Saudis would throw every merc in the world at someone challenging their rule
18:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54050 @ 0.00057227 = 30.9312 BTC [+] {2}
18:36	decimation	also they would very likely summon usg
18:37	pete_dushenski	trinque those 3, yes, plus usa currently holding down the eastern corners of the mediterranean with turkey and egypt
18:37	pete_dushenski	decimation again, only if they can afford it
18:38	pete_dushenski	it's incredibly, almost impossibly expensive to fight against an opponent as ideologically driven as isis (or b, tmsr~)
18:38	decimation	if there's a threat to saudi rule - it's their own stomachs: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/07/saudis-solar-energy/395315/
18:38	assbot	Why the Saudis Are Going Solar - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBbTaz )
18:38	decimation	pete_dushenski: not really, it's quite simple, they would fall to a single marine division if on the field in open battle
18:38	decimation	however, trying to dislodge them in an occupation war is another matter
18:39	trinque	right
18:39	pete_dushenski	aha, again, the expense of occupation of syria/lebanon is more than any soi-dissant 'world power' can seem to muster.
18:39	decimation	yes, agreed
18:40	decimation	mainly because nobody can convince themselves to give enough of a shit
18:40	pete_dushenski	so battles can be won against isis, wars will be lost.
18:40	trinque	it's reasonable to say that the appetite for total war in the west... ^
18:40	trinque	right
18:40	decimation	yes, isis is much too young to expand beyond iraq/syria
18:40	decimation	in 30 years after their rule is solidified...
18:41	trinque	if what's said about their regressiveness regarding science is true, they're not going to amount to anything
18:41	pete_dushenski	it won't take a generation if the saudi's run out of oil money
18:41	decimation	aye, true
18:41	trinque	they're going to what, shout about allah and shoot hand-me-down russian weapons?
18:42	trinque	and the force of their will alone will overcome?
18:42	trinque	I don't buy it at all
18:42	pete_dushenski	trinque well, the west's 'science' is a largely (if not entirely) a lot of fluff 'epidemiology'
18:42	trinque	they're a nuisance and if they become anything more they'll all be killed
18:42	trinque	pete_dushenski: that has little to do with them ignoring the subject entirely
18:42	trinque	I bet central americans had a great deal of "will" too
18:43	pete_dushenski	i see them as being quite related, if throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
18:43	pete_dushenski	trinque sorry, you're saying that isis is a nuisance that'll be wiped out if they get too uppity ??
18:43	trinque	I am indeed.
18:44	decimation	it's political suicide in the us to commit to another full-scale middle east war, which is what is giving isis breathing room
18:44	pete_dushenski	hm. i don't underestimate them to the same degree.
18:44	trinque	pete_dushenski: I could very well see something 20 years down the line that's much different
18:44	trinque	but it would require them getting that far
18:45	pete_dushenski	isis will continue to grow, because that's what lifeforms do : they grow.
18:45	trinque	they also go extinct
18:45	pete_dushenski	so it'll start with syria/lebanon and keep going
18:45	trinque	one might speculate it will; we'll see
18:45	pete_dushenski	to saudi arabia, yemen, egypt, etc.
18:45	decimation	maybe, but if this happens it probably won't be through open battle
18:46	pete_dushenski	decimation i'm with you there.
18:46	pete_dushenski	if isis is undone, it'll be from 'multicultural' technology
18:46	pete_dushenski	from the inside out.
18:46	pete_dushenski	i don't see an external player that has the means or the will to take them down. they're no wimpy upstart. isis means business.
18:47	trinque	sure, and their ideology is based on magical thinking
18:47	pete_dushenski	as all populist ideologies must be.
18:47	pete_dushenski	hell, even the 'elite' ideologies can fall victim to dreams.
18:48	trinque	let me put it this way: if something doesn't come along that could squash an ISIS in a moment, that's on us.
18:48	trinque	they're primitive morons with weapons somebody else's war machine manufactured
18:48	trinque	sitting on oil wells they didn't drill
18:49	pete_dushenski	so what, bitcoin made the computers, chips, and internet infrastructure that it's taking over the world with ?
18:49	pete_dushenski	we're all sitting on 5-10 year old hardware. idjits would readily call this 'primitive'
18:49	trinque	I do not see the equivalence at all
18:49	pete_dushenski	what you want 'advanced' weapons like nukes ?
18:50	trinque	isis is a cargo cult thinking allah will bring them more russian or american weapons if they piss in the wind some more
18:50	trinque	they will never make anything themselves
18:50	decimation	tribalism is in the bones over there, I find it unlikely that a political entity could centralize power effectively
18:50	pete_dushenski	trinque the equivalence is in the disruptive potential
18:50	trinque	as for bitcoin, one *would* hope those working within it do understand the mechanics of the technology involved
18:51	trinque	pete_dushenski: of what
18:51	trinque	on ISIS' side
18:51	trinque	there's nothing novel or interesting about their ideology
18:51	pete_dushenski	the nation states of the middle east as we know/knew them.
18:51	trinque	mongols they are not
18:51	trinque	they're not going to build a working empire when they're done
18:52	pete_dushenski	doesn't appear to me that they're trying to build an 'empire' in the centralised sense of the term
18:53	pete_dushenski	decimation perhaps not. though if you spill enough blood...
18:53	phf	ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle
18:53	pete_dushenski	trinque i mean hey, if isis were going the centralised route, don't you think they'd have a king or ruler already ?
18:54	trinque	they've got that baghdadi guy
18:54	decimation	they do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi
18:54	assbot	Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBdvRI )
18:54	trinque	and if they can't organize past that level, all the better
18:54	pete_dushenski	instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag
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18:54	trinque	mongols had a khan
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18:55	trinque	furthermore if all they can manage is guns and missiles, the non-morons that understand science can respond with defensive technology that makes that irrelevant
18:56	pete_dushenski	not necessarily
18:56	pete_dushenski	under your defensive technology is a satellite colony orbiting the earth
18:56	trinque	cities have defended themselves well against raiding hordes of morons before
18:56	pete_dushenski	ideologies will rip through the heart of whatever armour you've got.
18:56	trinque	we build them today like they're safe from all that
18:56	trinque	doesn't mean we have to
18:57	trinque	and theirs is what?
18:57	trinque	praise be to allah the space god and pass the ammunition?
18:57	trinque	come on
18:57	pete_dushenski	trinque pre-instant communication tech, sure.
18:57	pete_dushenski	protecting yourself used to be a physical issue.
18:57	trinque	and how is their ideology going to rip through my heart?
18:59	pete_dushenski	i'm not saying it will.
18:59	pete_dushenski	i'm saying that it's war.
18:59	trinque	ah well there we agree
18:59	pete_dushenski	only the losers get ripped.
18:59	trinque	I would just like to see bitcoin kill these morons too
18:59	trinque	2015 is no place for desert gods
19:00	trinque	(unless as I said, it's outside great cryptographic walls)
19:00	pete_dushenski	well, human brains are still human brains, i'm afraid
19:00	trinque	might very well be that something like ISIS will kill a great many "westerners" in the future
19:00	pete_dushenski	and it'll take more than a generation, or even a hundred, to change our defaults
19:00	trinque	and I could still imagine a world where I don't care
19:01	pete_dushenski	trinque for sure, because those 'westerners' are a bunch of blinded sheep who could use a good raping
19:03	trinque	I had this incredibly vivid dream years ago of a city which denied access based on some mechanism (undefined in the dream) of verifying identity and relationship to those dwelling within
19:03	trinque	walls and automated weapons prevented entry by unsanctioned means
19:03	trinque	entering the gate meant being approved to do so
19:03	trinque	ancient as it gets
19:03	trinque	this is what I would like to live within someday
19:04	pete_dushenski	like babylon eh
19:04	trinque	not something where every moron can piss on my front lawn
19:04	pete_dushenski	walls 30 stories tall
19:04	trinque	indeed
19:04	trinque	and if ISIS wants to keep the outsiders busy, have at it
19:06	pete_dushenski	well as long as you don't move the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without the ginormous walls.
19:07	pete_dushenski	it's one thing for isis to whip their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive to bother with us.istan.
19:07	trinque	usistan may fall over on its own before they come of age
19:08	pete_dushenski	federal gov may 'fall over' but the only thing most people will notice is how much lighter the weight on their shoulders is
19:08	pete_dushenski	life will go on.
19:08	trinque	heh, true enough
19:09	pete_dushenski	mebbe chinese come in to rape the blondies and suck up the minerals, maybe they can't be bothered and they leave the peoples formerly known as 'americans' to reoganise themselves
19:10	pete_dushenski	that could be along existing state lines, or regions could be smaller or larger.
19:10	pete_dushenski	hard to say, really.
19:15	pete_dushenski	anyways, i'm off. don't be surprised if this convo makes it into a post :D
19:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162697 @ 0.00056912 = 92.5941 BTC [-] {4}
19:18	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59332 @ 0.0005728 = 33.9854 BTC [+] {3}
19:20	trinque	;;later tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when they do.
19:20	gribble	The operation succeeded.
19:20	BingoBoingo	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143645596526530&w=2
19:20	assbot	'BitCoin donations to the OpenBSD Foundation.' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1TBgUQe )
19:21	trinque	so don't use bitpay, guy
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19:21	trinque	"Sorry for any inconvenience, this is just how these things work." << lol
19:26	mircea_popescu	derp.
19:26	BingoBoingo	;;google site:trilema.com Bob Beck
19:26	gribble	The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options>; "I saw, and was saddened." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/i-saw-and-was-saddened>
19:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73869 @ 0.00057393 = 42.3956 BTC [+] {2}
		~ 22 minutes ~
19:49	mircea_popescu	they've decided they wanna hang out with wintel and the rest of the "good guys in their own mind" club
19:54	BingoBoingo	At least Bob Beck's financial crowd. Thing was saved by the forces of good, then the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever the fuck
19:58	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
19:58	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 287.42, vol: 10360.89110159 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.2, vol: 7314.37326 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 287.21, vol: 23271.55971267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 298.0, vol: 4.75786649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 287.816427, vol: 16983.68120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 288.70809, vol: 36.26405777 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.990219008, vol: 72.01758395 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
19:58	BingoBoingo	;;more
19:58	gribble	average: 286.913709409
20:01	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38353 @ 0.00057406 = 22.0169 BTC [+] {2}
20:07	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205357 @ 0.00057561 = 118.2055 BTC [+] {3}
20:18	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2147 @ 0.00111 = 2.3832 BTC
20:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60043 @ 0.00057715 = 34.6538 BTC [+]
20:31	BingoBoingo	!up Duffer1
20:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10217 @ 0.00054324 = 5.5503 BTC [-]
20:42	BingoBoingo	https://imgur.com/W8l1edn
20:42	assbot	Sorry for potato quality - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtiZZ3 )
20:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70685 @ 0.00057736 = 40.8107 BTC [+] {3}
20:44	BingoBoingo	https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/276763
20:44	assbot	Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htj9jc )
20:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99314 @ 0.00054324 = 53.9513 BTC [-]
20:50	BingoBoingo	Even today, nasa with the JPEG plumes https://www.xkcd.com/
20:50	assbot	xkcd: Pluto ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjCCa )
20:52	trinque	https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/sys/5083994161.html << I am considering grabbing this thing if it doesn't look too beat-up in person.
20:52	assbot	HP DL 585 Server ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjOBa )
20:52	trinque	seems like a decent box for bitcoin dev and other projects
20:52	BingoBoingo	https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html
20:52	assbot	FreeBSD Code of Conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtjUZu )
20:53	trinque	price is a little oddly low
20:53	BingoBoingo	trinque: Pull the trigger
20:53	trinque	waiting on the guy's response
20:53	BingoBoingo	24BG of RAM on an Opteron machine at that price, shit is better than Ebay
20:56	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42921 @ 0.00053831 = 23.1048 BTC [-]
21:00	gernika	BingoBoingo I paid roughly 7x for a similar configuration (new)
21:01	BingoBoingo	I know that is a fucking steal.
21:03	cazalla	https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/
21:03	assbot	Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. : announcements ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtkMgP )
21:04	cazalla	"Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen: These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of thought into it." bit of a contradiction eh
21:05	trinque	eh, cowards
21:05	trinque	how's voat doing?
21:05	*	trinque checks
21:07	trinque	not too bad actually
21:08	BingoBoingo	Voat just has growing pains. The fat hate movement isn't the only thing carrying Voat anymore.
21:12	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84048 @ 0.00054298 = 45.6364 BTC [+]
21:16	trinque	aw yeah, hp server guy replied
21:17	BingoBoingo	Sweet
21:19	trinque	claims it lived in a climate-controlled data center its whole life
21:19	trinque	probably true, given what it is
21:19	trinque	I wonder if a local tech company went under
21:22	BingoBoingo	Likely
21:22	asciilifeform	rip openbsd.
21:22	*	BingoBoingo contemplating blasphemy and getting a "late model" mac
21:23	*	asciilifeform would also say 'rip freebsd' but it died for him when it went with clang
21:24	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo et al: that's approx. the correct price for a machine of that type and vintage, if one buys from a local scrap dealer
21:24	*	asciilifeform sometimes does
21:24	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.000574 = 16.359 BTC [+]
21:24	asciilifeform	'server' mobos have an annoying habit of including 'remote management' crapolade, however. caveat emptor.
21:24	trinque	can I neuter that?
21:25	*	BingoBoingo getting tempted into a mac mini by cheap machine spacific colo offers
21:25	asciilifeform	best neuter is for it not to be there.
21:25	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: worst possible choice. plenty of boxes with identical specs costing 50-60% of what crapple wants
21:25	asciilifeform	(specs including size and mass)
21:25	trinque	seems otherwise like a good snag of amd hardware
21:26	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: probably physically smallest amd x86-64 is the 'pcengines' linked in earlier thread
21:26	asciilifeform	i have several, at $dayjob
21:26	asciilifeform	comes with schematics even.
21:26	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Looking used. Trying to find hosts that take similar machines for colo at similar prices.
21:26	asciilifeform	it is about 7/8th inch tall.
21:27	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm << it
21:27	assbot	PC Engines apu system boards ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtmS06 )
21:27	asciilifeform	they also sell smaller x86 boards,
21:27	asciilifeform	(cpu soldered down on all of them)
21:27	BingoBoingo	I might start mailing some of these people about whenther they take machines smaller than mac mini at mac mini rate
21:27	asciilifeform	i esp. like the 100% open bios
21:27	asciilifeform	one of the few x86 boxes still manufactured, which supports this
21:28	asciilifeform	down sides include a total absence of video
21:28	asciilifeform	you will not be connecting a tele-kvm to this thing - unless your colo has the serial port kind
21:29	asciilifeform	also i'm not entirely certain why your colo box has to be an x86
21:29	asciilifeform	but as far as those go, this is probably the size/mass/cost champ
21:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well I'm looking at services like this http://macstadium.com/colo and a few other options that go down to $25-26, but so far this one has the least objectional terms
21:30	assbot	MacStadium - Dedicated Mac Mini Hosting, Colocation, and Cloud Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Htn7Za )
21:31	asciilifeform	ugh
21:32	asciilifeform	betcha crapple subsidizes.
21:32	BingoBoingo	Would use to run many-connections bitcoin node plus services, and maybe a couple static html pages
21:32	BingoBoingo	Eh, they let you supply own box.
21:33	BingoBoingo	May try shoving pc engines in mac mini chassis
21:33	asciilifeform	they let you supply own, but probably has to be the apple
21:33	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if you do the switcheroo, make sure thing has ethernet mac addr from the old unit
21:34	asciilifeform	or rather, an addr in apple's registered range
21:34	asciilifeform	(hope to not get lucky & get existing)
21:34	BingoBoingo	Seems a sensible precaution.
21:34	asciilifeform	not sure where you'd get a mobo that fits in the original case without looking odd
21:35	asciilifeform	(the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?)
21:35	BingoBoingo	Generally been pricing 2011 and earlier minis (including G4 models)
21:35	asciilifeform	ugh
21:35	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> (the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) Only eth0 jack matters... Arts&Crafts
21:35	asciilifeform	can get hosting on an old p3 (equiv. of fastest g4) for less than the quoted price
21:35	asciilifeform	with hoster-supplied box, too
21:35	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: eth0, dc in, usb for the telekvm...
21:36	BingoBoingo	If configured at home is kvm even necessary?
21:36	asciilifeform	perhaps not
21:37	BingoBoingo	Most of these services seem to have a daily charge for troubleshooting with their KVM adapters
21:37	asciilifeform	whole thing sounds scammy
21:37	asciilifeform	why colo host, to begin with ?
21:37	BingoBoingo	It does.
21:37	asciilifeform	i can think of a few cases where it makes sense, but is this one ?
21:38	BingoBoingo	Colo host to get box out of house so I don't have to see macbomination
21:38	asciilifeform	don't have to see it if you don't buy one, l0l
21:38	BingoBoingo	Also configure at home seems like a nice alternative to cpanel dedibortion or vps.
21:39	asciilifeform	that, it does
21:39	BingoBoingo	Want machine to live in datacenter, not eating home bandwidth. getting maximal bitcoind connections at min dollars
21:39	*	asciilifeform lulz at the memory of how never saw 'cpanel' anywhere until mircea_popescu's
21:39	BingoBoingo	lol
21:40	BingoBoingo	Saw at Godaddy in the past... Apparently powers their shared hosting
21:40	trinque	we (which is to say they) used it at an old shitty php job
21:41	trinque	specifically whm I guess
21:41	trinque	that was a lulzy job; worked on software for those ebay pawn shops
21:43	*	BingoBoingo was planning if acquired mac mini to install max ram, max sub $200 SSD, OpenBSD 5.6, Set up SSH keys, bitcoind sync, and ship
21:43	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201562 << those folks have 'ideology' like a forest fire does.
21:43	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:23; pete_dushenski: instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag
21:44	asciilifeform	i suppose 'combustible things must combust' is ideology then.
21:44	mod6	BingoBoingo: i was kinda thinkin the same thing, could be a market for someone to just ship a drive ready to go.
21:45	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201563 << mongols were able to produce the state-of-art weapons of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own.
21:45	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:38; trinque: mongols had a khan
21:45	trinque	state of the art fighting techniques too
21:45	trinque	and then held down a vast empire with a sane legal system and so on
21:46	trinque	these are a bunch of twitter-posting imbeciles with AKs
21:46	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43546 @ 0.00055289 = 24.0761 BTC [-]
21:47	trinque	that's not really fair, they are also whatever's left of saddam's army
21:47	BingoBoingo	ISIS takes state of the art fighting weapons and USia spends Imperial treasure on F-35 redefining state of the art as shittier
21:47	asciilifeform	wake me up when the untermenschen can produce so much as one brass shell.
21:47	asciilifeform	on their own.
21:48	mats	plenty of war materiel and munitions for purchase
21:49	asciilifeform	mats: presently - for phree!
21:49	mats	no reason why they can't subsist on ru supply chain indefinitely
21:50	asciilifeform	while supplies last (tm)
21:50	asciilifeform	ru newz media are kinda lulzy in re: 'isis': invariably prefix with 'islamic army, the organization banned in our country, has...'
21:50	mats	NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price
21:51	mats	just, you know, not directly.
21:51	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201615 << i'd like to know what he oughta use. to turn those coins into food, rent, mains power.
21:51	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 23:21:27; trinque: so don't use bitpay, guy
21:51	asciilifeform	dealer in dark alley ?
21:51	mats	-otc?
21:51	asciilifeform	i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op
21:51	asciilifeform	what otc.
21:52	asciilifeform	the one that's just about entirely dead, as far as my naked eye can see ?
21:53	danielpbarron	mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22
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21:54	mats	;;book BTC
21:54	gribble	Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=BTC to see list of orders for this item.
21:55	trinque	asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels
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21:55	trinque	or CAD or whatever they like best
21:55	mats	;;book USD
21:55	gribble	Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=USD to see list of orders for this item.
21:56	mats	plenty of middlemen to be had for the right price as far as i can see
21:56	trinque	well I'm not sure, is there a sort of AML/KYC equivalent for donations?
21:57	mats	for the folks cashing btc, prob
21:59	trinque	if so, it plainly illustrates the degree to which these things have crept forward..
22:00	trinque	I can toss a 50 into the goodwill box anonymously, but not BTC
22:00	trinque	no one ever busted up a piss-odorous santa ringing his bell outside walmart
22:07	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> i mean, yes, bitpay is a usg op << My impression is BitPay is under such constraints because born insufficiently USG, now merely avoiding a Shreming
22:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00053831 = 4.145 BTC [-] {2}
22:12	BingoBoingo	And all the pederasty that comes with it
22:18	danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201329 << confirmed. I haven't bothered to boot my 0.7.2 node back up since my power outage because it was completely wedged from this thing
22:18	assbot	Logged on 14-07-2015 20:32:43; mircea_popescu: anyway, run your own .6 or .7 and see what happens.
22:19	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: try it now ?
22:19	danielpbarron	you want me to boot it up? I bet it will still be wedged as I haven't done anything to it
22:19	asciilifeform	aha
22:19	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1201767 << if you have a usd-denominated bank account, it probably does not matter through which channels you turn btc into usd
22:19	assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 01:55:19; trinque: asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels
22:20	asciilifeform	every single movement of the bank is reported.
22:20	danielpbarron	i'm sure I can manually feed it blocks or whatever the fix is, but my 0.5.3.1-beta node didn't need manual intervention / is currently synced
22:20	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: i specifically want to see what ends up in the log
22:20	asciilifeform	as it tries to catch up
22:20	danielpbarron	you want my debug.log files?
22:20	*	trinque departs to pick up new puter
22:20	asciilifeform	tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log > somewhere.txt
22:20	asciilifeform	as it runs.
22:21	danielpbarron	also i've been saving up debug.log between restarts via cat .bitcoin/debug.log >> debug.log
22:21	asciilifeform	above works better
22:21	danielpbarron	yes I now see why that would be better and feel foolish for the way I had been doing it
22:22	danielpbarron	funny too because I have tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log going 24/7 but as a way of monitoring it
22:30	asciilifeform	http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33414358 << historical lulz
22:30	assbot	Eric Roberts: The spy who suffered - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4O3BQ )
22:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155114 @ 0.00054444 = 84.4503 BTC [+] {2}
22:31	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60536 @ 0.00053788 = 32.5611 BTC [-]
22:32	ag3nt_zer0	cause for concern? or just another wiggle-the-sore-tooth obsession? http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics
22:32	assbot	Anti-racist mathematics - Psychology Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OcVZ )
22:32	ag3nt_zer0	"While Western mathematicians often claim Western mathematics is universal, anti-racist mathematics and ethnomathematics scholars share the assumption that any given mathematical understanding or practice is a product of a particular culture.[4] Scholars such as C. K. Raju have advocated multicultural mathematics, in which different cultures can develop different forms of mathematics."
22:33	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the (present-day) west's academitardia is trolling. ignore the lot of'em.
22:35	ag3nt_zer0	yes but the entertsinment!
22:35	ag3nt_zer0	heh
22:36	ag3nt_zer0	how's your day asciilifeform?
22:36	asciilifeform	http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26365085 << related, re: provocateurs
22:36	assbot	MI5 spy controlled UK Nazi group, files reveal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OkES )
22:36	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter)
22:37	asciilifeform	'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime'
22:37	mircea_popescu	cazalla ah the mystery unravels, they wanted the guy as ceo so as to buy some legitimacy for something stupid they want to do.
22:39	ag3nt_zer0	whats a pr013? proletariat?
22:39	mircea_popescu	in other news : i am satisfied that the 363730 fork and the 363730-363736 dead chain contain nothing remarkable from a "hey guise they switched out the blokchanin" perspective. so i'm letting this rest.
22:39	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: hard to describe unless you live here.
22:40	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the 'offensively poor' as described in mircea_popescu's articles.
22:40	asciilifeform	and the accoutrements that go with them (blatantly recycled food, tabloids, lottery crapolade, etc)
22:40	mircea_popescu	iirc the term was lumpen
22:40	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was largely empty, iirc !
22:40	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has it! lumpens.
22:41	mircea_popescu	as in lumpenproletariat
22:41	asciilifeform	aha
22:41	asciilifeform	but these have somewhat different flavours in different places.
22:42	mircea_popescu	of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. << in no way did they do this. they merely went around with a horde of gypsies, chinese, etc. heck, the siege of byzantium used a hungarian cannonmaster.
22:42	mircea_popescu	in this sense, the few captive "us trainers" they have work exactly like the mongols'
22:42	asciilifeform	turks
22:43	asciilifeform	hungarian cannonmaster, siege, -- turks
22:43	mircea_popescu	<mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << god knows romania has been doing it for a decade straight.
22:43	asciilifeform	but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens
22:45	ag3nt_zer0	it would be cool if readers in this group had a "Recommended readings" list or something... that would be awesome actually
22:45	mats	costco is great
22:45	ag3nt_zer0	well, I would love it at any rate
22:45	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80787 @ 0.00054878 = 44.3343 BTC [+]
22:45	asciilifeform	mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens
22:46	asciilifeform	rather than for the 2 percent off chumpatronics
22:46	mircea_popescu	<asciilifeform> 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' << used to shop at their equiv in ro. "selgros".
22:46	mats	dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol
22:46	danielpbarron	ag3nt_zer0, http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt
22:46	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OJam )
22:46	ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: php got Eulora running on OSX... did he do anything different than is on the wiki?
22:47	mircea_popescu	iirc he updated the wiki to reflect his experience.
22:47	mats	they can't exclude plebs for those particular purchases i believe
22:47	asciilifeform	mats: the one i went to had a bouncer.
22:47	asciilifeform	no photo card - no enter.
22:47	mats	lol
22:47	asciilifeform	also no credit cards, but 'amex'
22:48	mircea_popescu	the romania version requires you to have a corp registered
22:48	mats	really? no MC/Visa?
22:48	ag3nt_zer0	I was following then got all paranoid and been stuck on researching what GCC is, whether or not it can compromise system, and whether this is all an elaborate scam to get my non-existent bitcoins
22:48	ag3nt_zer0	haha
22:48	asciilifeform	mats: aha. nope
22:48	mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 gcc is the basic compiler. your kernel was compiled in it.
22:48	mats	never seen one like that. but i have been tempted to get a 'costco amex', the rates are good and amex has historically had great customer service
22:49	mats	and i hear their entire back-end is mostly paper
22:49	asciilifeform	mats: the clerk informed me (when collecting my hundy) that their amex thing will vanish next year.
22:49	*	danielpbarron has amex
22:49	asciilifeform	leaving hell knows what, if anything
22:49	ag3nt_zer0	danielpbarron: thanks!
22:49	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> mats: aha. nope << Other cards still work if processed as "debit" rather than "credit"
22:49	mod6	so i've got the two binaries recompiled, not stripped. not exactly sure what i'm looking for in here. doing a diff with objdump.
22:49	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: aha
22:49	BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/Lqg4D
22:49	assbot	tootie comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4OU5i )
22:49	mod6	i have serached forward to SSL
22:50	mats	that sounds dicey. wouldn't want to input a PIN at their POS
22:50	asciilifeform	iirc they also take old-fashioned money.
22:51	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It's a miracle of fiat makingall sorts of distinctions where same accounts use many different payment network messes
22:51	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the operative distinction is 'no chargebacks', i think
22:51	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It's the terms of chargebacks more often
22:52	BingoBoingo	fiat is weird
22:52	*	danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table"
22:52	mats	asciilifeform: is there a repository on the internets somewhere for windows symbol files (not Windows Symbol Server)?
22:52	asciilifeform	mats: not afaik
22:52	asciilifeform	but if exists, probably .ru
22:53	asciilifeform	try yandex.
22:53	mats	i'm looking for a pdb to 'vwififlt.sys', for an intel wifi card i believe
22:53	mats	ok
22:53	asciilifeform	i can't think of a reason to suspect that this was ever public, but doesn't hurt to look.
22:53	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65888 @ 0.00053749 = 35.4141 BTC [-] {2}
22:54	ag3nt_zer0	Today I was looking at LoperOS and one of the things I read was his article about the kill switch... searched the logs for commentary but didn't find too much. But I thought maybe I had read something addressing it on Trilema... is that right?
22:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19362 @ 0.00053467 = 10.3523 BTC [-]
22:55	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
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22:55	asciilifeform	why this was - i can't recall. might like to ask him.
22:55	BingoBoingo	<mats> dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol << Rules for this happen on a state-by-state basis. Normally the "shame" keeps all but saviest lumps out
22:56	ag3nt_zer0	was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address?
22:56	BingoBoingo	<ag3nt_zer0> was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? << at the time likely in part
22:56	decimation	re: costco amex < yeah I posted about this awhile ago. turns out amex didn't want to 'make a deal' to keep costco, and instead steer their business toward servicing poor folks at walmart
22:56	asciilifeform	decimation: this is doubly lulzy because amex is the 'pay to play' cc issuer
22:56	*	decimation has costco amex, will drop when replaced next year
22:57	decimation	asciilifeform: yeah it is lulzy. I've heard from some small time merchants that amex dropped their transaction fees below visa/mc
22:57	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: hard to argue that ~coins that never move~ are 'e-wallets behind one address'
22:57	decimation	they know a huge chunk of their business comes from rich folks with costco amex cards
22:58	decimation	asciilifeform: also somewhat little known about costco amex: you can walk in with your annual refund check and they will pay you in cash
22:59	ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: could be wrong but I thought he was addressing the tx volume with that statement
23:00	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the 'atomic bomb' is - now, as when i wrote the piece- -- the mega-holdings under a sole key, which never move.
23:00	asciilifeform	this bomb is there, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not, and may - or may not - explode one day
23:01	asciilifeform	one might suppose that its existence is 'priced into the market' somehow.
23:01	ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: oh that was you... very enjoyable reading btw...
23:01	decimation	asciilifeform: all that early btc is probably offset by the big chunk that has been lost forever
23:01	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the paper referenced in the article, however, has nothing to do with me
23:01	BingoBoingo	So Iran nuclear deal... Only actual impact is Persian agricultural goods pricing Israeli agricultural goods out of the market?
23:02	asciilifeform	decimation: thing is, nothing can ever be proven 'lost forever'
23:02	decimation	true.
23:02	asciilifeform	one, or none, of those keys - may turn up.
23:02	decimation	same with the 'satoshi horde'
23:02	asciilifeform	speaking broadly, of all of'em.
23:06	mod6	well, at least `objdump -T bitcoind` shows: objdump: bitcoind-woNoShared: not a dynamic object \ DYNAMIC SYMBOL TABLE: \ no symbols
23:06	mircea_popescu	sounds legit.
23:07	ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: do you still consider the bitcoin-p option as viable?
23:08	asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: it wasn't especially viable then. and after adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form, i can't think of who might voluntarily work with such a thing today
23:08	asciilifeform	other than the moles
23:08	asciilifeform	i certainly have no interest in it now.
23:08	asciilifeform	was mainly a gedankenexperiment, of somehow attaching wot ratings to coin in a permanent way.
23:09	ag3nt_zer0	"adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form" << via buterin's waterfall?
23:09	asciilifeform	nah
23:09	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232300 @ 0.00055483 = 128.887 BTC [+] {3}
23:09	asciilifeform	'red/white-listing'
23:09	asciilifeform	see hearn
23:13	decimation	asciilifeform: did you see the lulzy quote: http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt
23:13	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Htub8e )
23:13	asciilifeform	aha
23:15	mircea_popescu	til that if you chown public_html away from apache squirrelmail fails to function anymore
23:15	mircea_popescu	all this logic...
23:17	BingoBoingo	In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese
23:17	decimation	asciilifeform: you should try 'wegmans'
23:18	trinque	if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?!
23:18	mod6	475M bitcoind-woNoShared.s << lol
23:18	BingoBoingo	lol, take it trinque
23:18	asciilifeform	decimation: there's no shortage of this kind of thing, as i understand
23:18	trinque	BingoBoingo: I did!
23:18	BingoBoingo	Nice trinque
23:18	trinque	alright, so how do we find the govt-grade malware embedded in this thing's mobo?
23:18	trinque	asciilifeform: ^
23:18	mircea_popescu	lol
23:18	asciilifeform	trinque: l0l
23:18	mod6	<+trinque> if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! << wat srsly?
23:18	mircea_popescu	no but i like how he thinks
23:19	asciilifeform	trinque: at least do it the honour of preserving the stray bits on the hdds
23:19	trinque	certainly
23:19	trinque	though it's been wiped by the owner in between me and kernel.org
23:19	trinque	got 8 scsi drives though, so maybe there are goods to be found
23:20	asciilifeform	a local scrap dealer i will not presently name, sells retired usg contractors' boxes, often with whole shebang still in.
23:20	mircea_popescu	in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lryivdvQt21r2lyd3o1_1280.jpg
23:20	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HtuPCK )
23:20	mod6	let's see if i can break diff...
23:20	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hmmpppfffmf!
23:21	decimation	asciilifeform: lol they don't wipe drives?
23:21	asciilifeform	apparently not.
23:22	asciilifeform	(firms that actually go under, will often leave intact 'fossils' of themselves)
23:23	decimation	too bad you don't have such goods for smbx
23:23	asciilifeform	decade+ too late
23:23	asciilifeform	quite possibly others - do
23:24	asciilifeform	i've said it before, and will say again - smbx is a dead end. i will not maintain crapcode that mit undergrads wrote in 1979.
23:24	asciilifeform	in all caps, no less.
23:24	asciilifeform	it is educational - yes.
23:24	trinque	https://i.imgur.com/7zzMNgv.jpg << tramp stamp
23:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Htv80h )
23:24	asciilifeform	building new things on it? even if usg were not getting in the way? not so appealing imho
23:26	asciilifeform	(for completeness, i will note that i will not maintain code mit undergrads wrote in '89. or '99. or '09. or at all.)
23:29	BingoBoingo	Anyone as of yet spot my OpenBSD 0.7-ish build in the wild. Returns version 0.7.3.9 for the time being
23:29	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i'm still burning to learn why you're maintaining 0.7
23:29	asciilifeform	if it's no secret
23:30	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Build on OpenBSD with flags I use and missing from 0.5.x atm like getpeerinfo
23:31	BingoBoingo	Also last pre-Hearnia release
23:33	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'getpeerinfo' isn't so hard. consider contributing a patch ?
23:34	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: working on understanding it first
23:38	BingoBoingo	Will likely get actual minrelaytxfee patch in first
23:41	BingoBoingo	turns out in original I had helpfile line wrong
23:46	decimation	asciilifeform: the most interesting part to me are the silicon design tools
23:46	asciilifeform	i specifically asked dks for those
23:46	asciilifeform	he (unsurprisingly) refused
23:46	decimation	heh
23:47	asciilifeform	could easily be the only part of the corp that's worth something on the open market
23:47	decimation	they might be shitware, but could be the nucleus of non-winblows designware
23:47	asciilifeform	nothing that existed and worked in '86 could really pass as shitware by today's standards.
23:47	decimation	yeah, good point
23:48	decimation	everything had to work and not be bloatware
23:48	asciilifeform	a toolchain that works ~without even a part per billion of microshit~ is pure plutonium, plain and simple
23:48	asciilifeform	by today's lights.
23:49	decimation	asciilifeform: do you sometimes phantasize about locking a group of promising young grads on an deserted island with only circa 1985 tools?
23:49	asciilifeform	nah just self
23:49	decimation	heh
23:49	asciilifeform	what do i need the derps for ?
23:49	asciilifeform	to cook my dinner, i suppose
23:49	decimation	staff
23:49	decimation	they could be human macros
23:49	asciilifeform	would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity.
23:50	asciilifeform	this is one of the ways i differ from mircea_popescu
23:51	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> to cook my dinner, i suppose << Janatorial duties
23:51	trinque	I'd much rather automate things than have help
23:51	asciilifeform	^
23:52	asciilifeform	if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour.
23:52	asciilifeform	why engineer anything, when a bottomless supply of monkeys with 'duct tape' can be had.
23:53	trinque	as if to drive the point home, some fucking drunk bum is hollering
23:53	decimation	asciilifeform: can shape desired object out of bondo?
23:54	asciilifeform	'bondo, sanded to perfection' (mr mold)
23:54	trinque	cannot find a single mention on the web for geb2.kernel.org
23:54	trinque	maybe it was an internal hostname
23:55	trinque	however I do find mention of these model HP servers being donated

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