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00:00	mod6	does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?
00:00	danielpbarron	mod6, http://danielpbarron.com/build.sh.sig.txt
00:00	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1v1FqlI )
00:00	BingoBoingo	mod6: Banner looks purty
00:00	mod6	danielpbarron!
00:01	mod6	Thanks, Sir.
00:01	mod6	BingoBoingo: werd. been consider switchin to hard-core mode.
00:01	mod6	*considering
00:02	asciilifeform	mod6: cut off on my display
00:02	mod6	has anyone else used PC-BSD?
00:02	decimation	mod6 it verfies for me
00:02	mod6	asciilifeform: awe
00:02	mod6	decimation: thanks!
00:02	asciilifeform	(banner)
00:03	decimation	BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
00:03	decimation	my suggestion: use GPS time
00:03	decimation	http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
00:03	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Gcz7 )
00:03	BingoBoingo	decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
00:04	decimation	sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades?
00:04	mod6	asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool.
00:04	asciilifeform	1440 horiz.
00:05	asciilifeform	cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small.
00:05	mircea_popescu	decimation how do you now ?
00:05	mod6	lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768
00:05	TheNewDeal	anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently?
00:05	BingoBoingo	decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
00:05	mircea_popescu	note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
00:06	decimation	mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
00:06	mod6	looks ok on that box
00:06	mircea_popescu	time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
00:06	danielpbarron	TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday
00:06	mircea_popescu	decimation exactly. not even a blockchain.
00:06	BingoBoingo	Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold.
00:06	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
00:06	assbot	rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1GQgb )
00:06	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.
00:07	TheNewDeal	the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
00:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind.
00:07	mircea_popescu	even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
00:07	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Will note
00:07	mircea_popescu	(i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)
00:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels
00:08	asciilifeform	the purpose is precision rather than accuracy.
00:08	BingoBoingo	!up tripleslash
00:08	mircea_popescu	this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts"
00:08	asciilifeform	precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation.
00:08	tripleslash	fucking znc
00:08	BingoBoingo	timekeeping is a myth
00:08	decimation	yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
00:08	mircea_popescu	tripleslash you too ?
00:08	asciilifeform	rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable'
00:09	asciilifeform	on demand.
00:09	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform notice that so would be his.
00:09	mircea_popescu	for different values, ofcourse.
00:09	BingoBoingo	Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality.
00:09	asciilifeform	incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing.
00:09	mircea_popescu	well so is the iridium alloy meter.
00:09	asciilifeform	was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand.
00:10	asciilifeform	just as metre.
00:10	mircea_popescu	standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable
00:10	mircea_popescu	(micro to macro interactions)
00:10	decimation	isn't that what your processor is doing right now?
00:10	mircea_popescu	note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
00:10	mircea_popescu	coupla weeks ago
00:11	asciilifeform	stuck?
00:11	mircea_popescu	decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier.
00:11	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
00:11	asciilifeform	what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns.
00:11	mircea_popescu	well...
00:11	mircea_popescu	EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
00:11	asciilifeform	i say braindamaged.
00:11	BingoBoingo	Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
00:11	mircea_popescu	we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition.
00:11	decimation	mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
00:12	mircea_popescu	decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase.
00:12	mircea_popescu	i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
00:12	decimation	sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor
00:12	mircea_popescu	such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks"
00:12	asciilifeform	as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
00:12	mircea_popescu	only in YOUR system
00:12	mircea_popescu	in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor.
00:12	mircea_popescu	relativity. it's a thing.
00:13	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :)
00:13	mircea_popescu	"hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!"
00:13	BingoBoingo	Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn
00:14	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
00:14	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans.
00:14	mircea_popescu	otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
00:15	*	BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring.
00:15	mircea_popescu	lol how many shots you in bb ?
00:15	decimation	well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty
00:16	mircea_popescu	sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena.
00:16	mircea_popescu	!up Dimsler
00:16	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
00:16	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep
00:16	Dimsler	what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
00:16	decimation	good point, that
00:16	mircea_popescu	how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
00:17	mircea_popescu	there's no end of that.
00:17	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
00:17	mircea_popescu	maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
00:17	asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!
00:17	asciilifeform	guess what i've got.
00:17	mircea_popescu	ye, 85 million years offs.
00:18	mircea_popescu	;;seen adlai
00:18	gribble	adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Adlai> 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
00:18	asciilifeform	a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo.
00:18	Dimsler	good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
00:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^
00:18	decimation	excellent news!
00:18	mircea_popescu	fuck you you magnificent bastard.
00:18	asciilifeform	will post shortly
00:19	asciilifeform	note! had to patch the bitcoin
00:19	mircea_popescu	how ?
00:19	mod6	asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch?
00:19	asciilifeform	because it was retardedly missing a header.
00:19	adlai	mircea_popescu: sup
00:19	asciilifeform	somehow this flew
00:19	asciilifeform	but not with static libs
00:19	mircea_popescu	adlai how much capital were you looking for ?
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00:19	*	decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus
00:20	mod6	what header?
00:20	asciilifeform	stripped binary 4153212 bytes
00:20	asciilifeform	with no dependencies
00:20	tripleslash	that's better
00:20	decimation	asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day?
00:20	asciilifeform	mod6: stdint.
00:20	mircea_popescu	tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ?
00:20	asciilifeform	decimation: nope
00:20	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude...
00:20	BingoBoingo	spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation.
00:21	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted
00:21	decimation	BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years?
00:21	Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, it's a joke
00:21	BingoBoingo	decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels.
00:21	Dimsler	since we are discussing horology
00:21	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic what is ?
00:22	Apocalyptic	teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc
00:22	mircea_popescu	o it is ?!
00:22	mircea_popescu	got me lol
00:22	Apocalyptic	heh, yeah
00:22	adlai	mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
00:22	BingoBoingo	decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
00:23	*	decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
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00:23	mircea_popescu	adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ?
00:24	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
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00:24	adlai	that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"?
00:24	BingoBoingo	decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy
00:25	BingoBoingo	adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
00:27	BingoBoingo	* decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
00:27	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
00:27	mircea_popescu	One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
00:27	mircea_popescu	ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
00:27	mircea_popescu	vs
00:27	mircea_popescu	One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
00:27	mircea_popescu	ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
00:27	mircea_popescu	adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ?
00:27	mircea_popescu	context dammit
00:28	mircea_popescu	oh
00:28	adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994908
00:28	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct.
00:28	adlai	:)
00:28	Dimsler	mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
00:28	mircea_popescu	adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
00:28	adlai	i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
00:29	mircea_popescu	Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
00:29	mircea_popescu	adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc.
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00:29	Dimsler	the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
00:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
00:29	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose.
00:30	decimation	Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz?
00:30	BingoBoingo	Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
00:30	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
00:30	Apocalyptic	trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
00:30	mircea_popescu	i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor.
00:30	Dimsler	decimation, nein
00:31	BingoBoingo	Probably.
00:31	mircea_popescu	anyway, great article, solid structure, errything.
00:31	decimation	Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
00:31	BingoBoingo	Thank you.
00:32	Dimsler	decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german
00:32	BingoBoingo	My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
00:32	mircea_popescu	Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
00:32	mircea_popescu	thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year
00:33	mircea_popescu	cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish
00:33	BingoBoingo	Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul
00:33	Dimsler	yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads
00:33	BingoBoingo	Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age
00:33	Dimsler	the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
00:34	mircea_popescu	what exactly do you think take overs are ?
00:34	mircea_popescu	what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere.
00:34	adlai	mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
00:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2}
00:34	asciilifeform	mod6, jurov: sent
00:34	Dimsler	neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour
00:34	decimation	of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
00:34	asciilifeform	mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though
00:34	asciilifeform	mod6 check plz ?
00:35	mircea_popescu	adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking.
00:35	asciilifeform	i'm not seeing any output.
00:35	mircea_popescu	<decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
00:35	asciilifeform	^ moldy's observation originally
00:35	mircea_popescu	right into my "argentina has no school" of yest.
00:35	decimation	aye, it was moldbug's
00:35	*	adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex?
00:35	mircea_popescu	don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ?
00:36	Dimsler	decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011
00:36	adlai	what's mpex, a text-based casino?
00:36	Dimsler	"Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
00:37	mircea_popescu	adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it.
00:37	decimation	as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
00:37	Dimsler	what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
00:37	mircea_popescu	decimation not too far off.
00:37	BingoBoingo	adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
00:37	Dimsler	decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
00:37	asciilifeform	http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
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00:37	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z1fOW0 )
00:37	asciilifeform	^ mircea_popescu et al
00:38	mircea_popescu	Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
00:38	asciilifeform	yes jurov's thing ate it silently.
00:38	adlai	what's the MPIA?
00:38	mircea_popescu	why do you hate it ?!
00:38	BingoBoingo	adlai: MP Intelligence Agency
00:38	asciilifeform	because it doesn't work.
00:38	adlai	lololololl
00:38	asciilifeform	never worked.
00:38	asciilifeform	i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today
00:38	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ?
00:39	asciilifeform	and it was missing dashes.
00:39	decimation	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The
00:39	assbot	Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN )
00:39	asciilifeform	my code - works
00:39	decimation	Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
00:39	asciilifeform	turdatron - n
00:39	asciilifeform	o
00:39	Dimsler	mircea_popescu, LOL i know
00:39	asciilifeform	it also ate my mail
00:39	Dimsler	a very amusing analogy
00:39	asciilifeform	without even a squeak.
00:39	asciilifeform	turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo
00:39	asciilifeform	on therealbitcoin.org
00:40	mircea_popescu	decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
00:40	asciilifeform	well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site
00:40	mircea_popescu	the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
00:40	asciilifeform	ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind
00:40	decimation	asciilifeform: lol
00:40	asciilifeform	for any machine you like that has gcc
00:40	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+]
00:40	asciilifeform	instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed.
00:40	Dimsler	excuse my ignorance but what is b-a?
00:41	decimation	mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
00:41	mircea_popescu	this.
00:41	Apocalyptic	;;search Bridgewater
00:41	gribble	There were no matching configuration variables.
00:41	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ?
00:41	asciilifeform	it's in there!
00:41	asciilifeform	it's just a fscking shell script
00:41	adlai	mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
00:41	mircea_popescu	as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately.
00:42	mircea_popescu	yo danielpbarron you around ?
00:42	*	adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely.
00:42	asciilifeform	nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet
00:42	asciilifeform	this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu.
00:42	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, ya
00:42	asciilifeform	using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'.
00:42	asciilifeform	user supplies them.
00:42	asciilifeform	oh don't forget the patch.
00:42	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ?
00:43	asciilifeform	this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin
00:43	danielpbarron	sure
00:43	asciilifeform	just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
00:43	asciilifeform	deterministic build, about 40 minutes later.
00:43	asciilifeform	(on my box)
00:43	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on.
00:43	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet
00:43	asciilifeform	just gives arm ELF of bitcoin
00:44	Apocalyptic	re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a
00:44	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself.
00:44	asciilifeform	can run on any armv5 box running a unix.
00:44	asciilifeform	danke mircea_popescu
00:44	mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ?
00:44	asciilifeform	anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his
00:44	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp
00:44	asciilifeform	or what it was
00:45	mircea_popescu	adlai you gotta man up at *some* point.
00:45	asciilifeform	60 lines of sh.
00:45	asciilifeform	dear glub. why this did not exist before.
00:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping.
00:45	asciilifeform	l0l aha
00:45	asciilifeform	i was gonna post my armv5 elf
00:46	asciilifeform	but realized that me tree's out of date
00:46	asciilifeform	not even the bdb locks patch
00:46	Apocalyptic	mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article
00:46	asciilifeform	(why? see thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994353 )
00:46	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
00:46	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion.
00:47	decimation	asciilifeform: your sigs check out
00:47	asciilifeform	ty decimation
00:47	asciilifeform	now somebody fire it.
00:47	asciilifeform	oh
00:47	asciilifeform	probably should explain patch
00:48	asciilifeform	1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off)
		↖
00:48	decimation	i remember that dep. hell
00:48	asciilifeform	2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it
		↖
00:49	asciilifeform	3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me
00:49	asciilifeform	that's all.
00:49	asciilifeform	end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped
00:49	decimation	I had to do that to make it build on openbsd
00:49	asciilifeform	for your cpu.
00:49	decimation	too lazy to build patch sorry :(
00:51	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol
00:51	asciilifeform	and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.
00:51	mircea_popescu	why not.
00:51	mircea_popescu	wcpgw
00:52	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
00:52	BingoBoingo	Dammit
00:52	mircea_popescu	"First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ‘coined’ by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
00:52	mircea_popescu	distributive justice ? seriously ?
00:53	asciilifeform	btw that thing is running on me pogo now.
00:53	mircea_popescu	distributively juice my cock.
00:53	asciilifeform	grabbing bloxx
00:53	mircea_popescu	yay!
00:53	BingoBoingo	fxd
00:53	decimation	asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
00:53	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
00:54	mircea_popescu	decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block.
00:54	BingoBoingo	Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu
00:54	asciilifeform	decimation: model name : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l)
00:54	asciilifeform	BogoMIPS : 795.44
00:54	asciilifeform	(/proc/cpuinfo)
00:54	asciilifeform	for what it's worth.
00:54	decimation	that's actually not too bad
00:54	mircea_popescu	feroceon ?! ahahaha great name.
00:55	BingoBoingo	fxd pt 2
00:55	adlai	mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic!
00:55	mircea_popescu	adlai alrighty.
00:55	decimation	what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return?
00:55	mircea_popescu	^ yeah me 2.
00:56	danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo.asc.txt
00:56	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z1iFy0 )
00:56	asciilifeform	blocheit 1416
00:56	*	adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment"
00:56	asciilifeform	decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs
00:57	decimation	interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
00:57	asciilifeform	decimation: prolly tick counter
00:57	asciilifeform	like everybody else.
00:57	decimation	aye
00:57	mircea_popescu	that must be a fake
00:57	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu see above
00:57	decimation	yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision
00:57	mircea_popescu	yea k
00:57	asciilifeform	oscillator drift
00:58	asciilifeform	your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol
00:58	decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762924
00:58	assbot	Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
00:58	mircea_popescu	"The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
00:58	mircea_popescu	which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency."
00:58	mircea_popescu	bwahahaha o lordy.
00:58	asciilifeform	(if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
00:59	mircea_popescu	a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
00:59	mircea_popescu	line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
00:59	mod6	<+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
00:59	asciilifeform	mod6: i sent it
00:59	asciilifeform	it ate it
00:59	asciilifeform	naturally, nothing came out other end.
00:59	mod6	yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry.
01:00	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
01:00	mircea_popescu	"organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
01:01	decimation	mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree
01:01	BingoBoingo	fxd 3
01:01	mircea_popescu	decimation not so.
01:01	asciilifeform	after 1900 blox, ram is half full
01:01	mircea_popescu	on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
01:01	BingoBoingo	fxd 4
01:01	asciilifeform	wat even is this
01:02	decimation	mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
01:03	mircea_popescu	"Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
01:03	mircea_popescu	essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious.
01:03	decimation	of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
01:04	mircea_popescu	a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this
01:04	mircea_popescu	anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
01:05	asciilifeform	oh before i forget
01:05	BingoBoingo	fxd 5, deviant from suggestion
01:05	asciilifeform	that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk
01:06	asciilifeform	(now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)
01:06	mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a69f71f07be6948d17bc1b8eac711a9/tumblr_mgybi1ruLj1rycl0co1_1280.jpg great titjob is great.
01:06	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z1k4F0 )
01:06	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
01:06	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fork of fork ?
01:06	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo coo.
01:06	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant
01:06	asciilifeform	for maximum ribbed pleasure
01:07	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd
01:07	assbot	qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1kcEj )
01:07	mircea_popescu	lol
01:07	BingoBoingo	Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
01:07	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn
01:08	decimation	!http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/news/business/american-airlines-interested-in-offering-flights-to-cuba-1.1259365
01:08	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?!
01:08	asciilifeform	no.
01:08	asciilifeform	i never saw it in usa.
01:08	mircea_popescu	prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
01:08	mircea_popescu	ah kk
01:08	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo nice stuff.
01:08	decimation	mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
01:09	asciilifeform	decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
01:09	decimation	even our security theater is made of plastic these days
01:10	mircea_popescu	maybe they progress to dildos soon
01:10	mircea_popescu	;;ticker
01:10	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816
01:10	mircea_popescu	heh srsly ?
01:10	asciilifeform	discount plastic dildo
01:13	decimation	they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113
01:13	assbot	Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1l9N2 )
01:13	BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co39nea
01:13	assbot	ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1liA0 )
01:13	decimation	with that I bid good evening gentlemen
01:13	decimation	!down decimation
01:14	BingoBoingo	http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/stainless-steel-bollards-c1026/stainless-steel-bollards-mitred-welded-cap-p4595
01:14	assbot	Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lrnb )
01:14	asciilifeform	oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
01:14	assbot	$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 )
01:15	asciilifeform	for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time.
01:15	mod6	http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg
01:15	assbot	$ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 )
01:15	mod6	f
01:15	mod6	sorry
01:17	asciilifeform	blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full.
01:17	asciilifeform	soon dies.
01:17	asciilifeform	3324 rather
01:18	asciilifeform	anyone still awake who gives a fuck ?
01:18	asciilifeform	i'ma leave it go
01:18	mod6	yeah
01:18	mod6	just let it run
01:18	mod6	that's what it does though, chews up ram
01:18	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow.
01:18	asciilifeform	world's smallest bitcoin node possible.
01:18	mod6	and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right?
01:19	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself
01:19	asciilifeform	mod6 aha
01:19	mircea_popescu	and restart ?
01:19	asciilifeform	aha
01:19	mircea_popescu	so let it go.
01:19	asciilifeform	what i said, ye
01:19	asciilifeform	loop, loop.
01:19	mod6	aight. anyway gl!
01:19	BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/560321172760715264
01:19	assbot	It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :(
01:19	mircea_popescu	come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got.
01:19	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo amen.
01:19	asciilifeform	i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m
01:19	asciilifeform	*weighs
01:20	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm
01:20	mircea_popescu	no dude. it's about right.
01:20	mircea_popescu	once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
01:20	asciilifeform	most of the 4m is crud incidentally
01:20	mircea_popescu	exactly.
01:21	TheNewDeal	!down TheNEwDeal
01:21	BingoBoingo	Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
01:21	asciilifeform	i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it
01:21	asciilifeform	and it ran
01:21	asciilifeform	doesn't get any easier than this
01:22	mircea_popescu	!up happyfr0gg
01:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez
01:22	mircea_popescu	!up tripleslash
01:22	mircea_popescu	tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name.
01:22	tripleslash	fucking bots
01:22	tripleslash	gay
01:22	mircea_popescu	no u
01:22	tripleslash	urmom
01:22	mircea_popescu	clearly.
01:23	tripleslash	some things aren't meant to be.
01:23	mircea_popescu	lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
01:23	mircea_popescu	"did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
01:23	tripleslash	"so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?"
01:24	*	BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP
01:24	mircea_popescu	"and which one was the llama"
01:24	tripleslash	;;ud queer
01:24	gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queer | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term.
01:24	mircea_popescu	queer was never fucking pejorative wtf.
01:24	BingoBoingo	Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer
01:24	tripleslash	I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer.
01:25	mircea_popescu	well either queer or not very bright.
01:25	BingoBoingo	tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
01:26	BingoBoingo	!up happyfr0gg
01:26	tripleslash	BingoBoingo, never.
01:26	mircea_popescu	!up happyfr0gg
01:26	tripleslash	!down
01:26	tripleslash	!down tripleslash
01:26	mircea_popescu	lol
01:27	BingoBoingo	!up tripleslash
01:27	BingoBoingo	tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows...
01:27	tripleslash	!ud minstrel
01:28	tripleslash	damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form
01:28	mircea_popescu	minstrel was pejorative ?
01:28	mircea_popescu	wtf is next, woman ?
01:28	BingoBoingo	tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
01:29	asciilifeform	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic
01:29	assbot	US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ )
01:29	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative
01:29	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform again that one /
01:29	asciilifeform	obligarory preet!
01:29	mircea_popescu	didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
01:29	asciilifeform	aha.
01:30	asciilifeform	or rather, '09
01:31	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015-info/evgeny-buryakov/evgeny-buryakov.htm << him
01:31	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z1o8Fe )
01:31	mircea_popescu	nono, was another one
01:31	asciilifeform	no that's today's.
01:32	asciilifeform	woman - was called 'chapman'
01:32	asciilifeform	(i forget actual name)
01:33	BingoBoingo	Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
01:33	asciilifeform	'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, “The fact that I’m sitting with a cookie right now at the chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.”'
01:33	mircea_popescu	wait so this is a rehash ?
01:33	asciilifeform	ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
01:33	asciilifeform	sorta rehash
01:33	asciilifeform	with new faces
01:34	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that.
01:34	mircea_popescu	"some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
01:34	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2}
01:38	asciilifeform	blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet
01:38	asciilifeform	presumably there was some caching in the mix
01:38	mircea_popescu	it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.
01:39	asciilifeform	(figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se)
01:39	asciilifeform	and yes it will.
01:39	*	asciilifeform to bed
01:39	danielpbarron	it's only at 5k so far?
01:40	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk
01:40	asciilifeform	i ran it off sd card
01:40	asciilifeform	will try with actual drive later
01:40	asciilifeform	(the one in the photo)
01:40	danielpbarron	ah
01:42	BingoBoingo	Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
01:42	asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that one
01:42	assbot	test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q0xK )
01:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-]
01:43	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i so love that story :D
01:43	BingoBoingo	That was a great one.
01:45	*	BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema.
01:45	*	BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy
01:47	danielpbarron	is this the thing? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/
01:47	assbot	Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1qPXq )
01:47	BingoBoingo	Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood
01:47	BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Appears so
01:48	danielpbarron	and it needs a hard drive too?
01:48	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo.
01:48	BingoBoingo	"Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign
01:52	BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2txty4/greece_taps_antibitcoin_video_game_economist_as/
01:52	assbot	Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEWBfU )
01:52	mircea_popescu	murderin dat social moedia ?
01:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00040395 = 20.2783 BTC [+]
01:55	BingoBoingo	Workin on it.
01:55	BingoBoingo	If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.
01:58	BingoBoingo	Mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co353z9
01:58	assbot	KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sLiH )
01:59	BingoBoingo	Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co30tnn
01:59	assbot	xcsler comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sVq9 )
02:00	BingoBoingo	*Social Media Holy War
02:03	BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co346hw
02:03	assbot	sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tq3x )
02:04	mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/cd22a46b683e80889ffce500ce436b3c/tumblr_mndu4jdOJ51sqjeuuo1_500.jpg
02:04	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCjk )
02:04	BingoBoingo	Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0
02:04	assbot	796 lost 1,000 bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tCzS )
02:07	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
02:08	mircea_popescu	"why you can't invest with [insert random website]". http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
02:08	assbot	Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1u8xM )
02:08	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
02:08	mircea_popescu	yeah i recall them.
02:10	mircea_popescu	" I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
02:10	mircea_popescu	seems pretty reasonable decimation
02:10	mircea_popescu	oh he left.
02:11	*	BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
02:12	mircea_popescu	just aboot.
02:12	pete_dushenski	you should send ars a letter
02:12	mircea_popescu	nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D
02:12	pete_dushenski	"hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too"
02:13	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
02:13	pete_dushenski	if they make it that long
02:13	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
02:13	pete_dushenski	why wait?
02:14	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
02:14	pete_dushenski	there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read
02:14	pete_dushenski	taking down their front page and posting, for one
02:15	mircea_popescu	this proposes they're that important.
02:16	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
02:16	pete_dushenski	lol really not saying it is
02:16	pete_dushenski	either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief
02:16	pete_dushenski	The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
02:17	pete_dushenski	^o no poor cad
02:17	mircea_popescu	afaik the chinese do not wish this.
02:17	pete_dushenski	because?
02:17	BingoBoingo	Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
02:17	mircea_popescu	well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate.
02:18	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now
02:18	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
02:18	mircea_popescu	like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars.
02:18	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
02:18	mircea_popescu	suddenly sustainable marriage.
02:19	pete_dushenski	sounds quite reasonable
02:19	mircea_popescu	moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
02:19	pete_dushenski	why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
02:19	mircea_popescu	lack of sufficient size.
02:20	mircea_popescu	the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
02:21	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
02:21	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened.
02:22	BingoBoingo	Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there.
02:22	mircea_popescu	maybe.
02:22	mircea_popescu	in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
02:22	mircea_popescu	instead, it went "something something something derp"
02:23	pete_dushenski	The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?
02:23	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date.
02:23	mircea_popescu	apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union.
02:23	pete_dushenski	shanghai union?
02:24	mircea_popescu	that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
02:24	pete_dushenski	lol
02:24	mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
02:24	mircea_popescu	(except japan, korea etc)
02:24	pete_dushenski	o that thing, their baby-imf
02:24	pete_dushenski	south africa was in that too
02:24	mircea_popescu	yup.
02:24	mircea_popescu	yup
02:25	*	BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia
02:25	mircea_popescu	imo nz/au will be the worst hit.
02:25	mircea_popescu	mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked.
02:26	pete_dushenski	huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china
02:26	*	pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy
02:26	mircea_popescu	nope, none whatsoever.
02:26	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1146 @ 0.00105732 = 1.2117 BTC [-] {22}
02:26	mircea_popescu	they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language.
02:26	BingoBoingo	AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
02:27	pete_dushenski	ya $19 or w/e is zany
02:27	pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: the language is a good point
02:27	mircea_popescu	nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate
02:27	mircea_popescu	rents insanely high, developments burdensome.
02:28	pete_dushenski	sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues
02:28	mircea_popescu	!up phillipsjk
02:28	BingoBoingo	US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates.
02:29	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: totally
02:29	mircea_popescu	!b 2
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02:29	pete_dushenski	and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
02:29	mircea_popescu	aptly put
02:30	pete_dushenski	phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum
02:30	phillipsjk	OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed.
02:30	BingoBoingo	I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
02:30	phillipsjk	Hi pete.
02:30	phillipsjk	..nothing yet.
02:31	BingoBoingo	phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
02:31	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates?
02:31	phillipsjk	Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
02:32	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
02:32	mircea_popescu	"So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
02:32	mircea_popescu	paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.
02:32	mircea_popescu	Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
02:32	mircea_popescu	So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
02:32	mircea_popescu	Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."
02:32	mircea_popescu	ballas on teh same topic
02:33	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans
02:33	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
02:35	*	pete_dushenski digests
02:35	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week.
02:37	mircea_popescu	decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely.
02:37	mircea_popescu	seems an excellent way to expose a tor server.
02:37	mircea_popescu	having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
02:38	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
02:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00040395 = 3.9991 BTC [+]
02:39	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch.
02:39	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today
02:40	BingoBoingo	"The New Salem Experience
02:40	BingoBoingo	Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and
02:40	BingoBoingo	about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
02:40	BingoBoingo	Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
02:40	BingoBoingo	Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here,
02:40	BingoBoingo	Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He
02:40	BingoBoingo	clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
02:40	BingoBoingo	and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
02:40	BingoBoingo	Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832."
02:40	BingoBoingo	Lincoln, fucking hobo
02:40	BingoBoingo	Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
02:41	mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/343e8c4c5eac54cfd8ef70cc3a7eee7e/tumblr_movxtn87Vz1rmcr76o1_500.jpg have some booties.
02:41	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yMtcN7 )
02:42	mircea_popescu	"But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
02:42	mircea_popescu	In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
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02:42	mircea_popescu	ing cylinders."
02:42	mircea_popescu	dude this guy rocks. who's he ?
02:42	mircea_popescu	"ButterNubber"
02:44	mats	this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform
02:44	mats	i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands
02:44	mircea_popescu	i liked teh prose.
02:46	mircea_popescu	course eschew takes an extra h
02:47	mats	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986364
02:47	assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
02:47	mircea_popescu	aham
02:47	mircea_popescu	and turd is a reasonably rare usage
02:49	mircea_popescu	!up cardigm
02:50	mats	nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
02:50	*	mircea_popescu waves
02:54	mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/
02:54	assbot	High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMu7gJ )
02:54	mircea_popescu	days b4 bitcoin.
02:56	pete_dushenski	same here, it so happens
02:56	pete_dushenski	spent most of undergrad at the card table
02:56	adlai	infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png
02:57	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yMuibY )
02:57	pete_dushenski	we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
02:57	pete_dushenski	about a dozen of us
02:57	pete_dushenski	one guy is on the pro tour now
02:57	mircea_popescu	adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
02:57	mircea_popescu	did it mostly win on volatility ?
02:58	adlai	that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
02:59	mircea_popescu	you know most bots fail through over engineering.
03:00	adlai	s/ engineer/fitt/
03:01	adlai	which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo
03:01	mircea_popescu	aha
03:03	adlai	"Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
03:04	mircea_popescu	ahahaha "menimist"
03:04	mircea_popescu	lmao
03:05	mircea_popescu	http://www.mommyish.com/2014/11/11/menimist-twitter-hashtag/2/
03:05	assbot	If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMv8oZ )
03:05	mircea_popescu	"i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"
03:06	mircea_popescu	incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
03:07	mircea_popescu	i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects"
03:07	mircea_popescu	well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
03:08	mircea_popescu	it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
03:08	adlai	all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public
03:08	adlai	i guess they just don't take to twitter
03:08	mircea_popescu	are these feminists lactating ?
03:08	adlai	then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
03:09	adlai	the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
03:09	mircea_popescu	so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it"
03:11	adlai	how dare you call my mom stupid
03:12	pete_dushenski	!b 2
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03:12	pete_dushenski	i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding
03:12	mircea_popescu	wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?!
03:13	adlai	let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
03:14	mircea_popescu	but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
03:14	mircea_popescu	has jack shit to do with feminism.
03:15	adlai	empowerment! equality!
03:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00042042 = 8.3664 BTC [+]
03:15	mircea_popescu	amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
03:17	pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/560333010491277312
03:17	assbot	65% of people use the same password everywhere http://t.co/T0ZnMzEUzR
03:17	pete_dushenski	^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? "
03:17	*	adlai has no comeback, goes back to emacs
03:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00040567 = 8.3771 BTC [-]
03:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44035 @ 0.00042392 = 18.6673 BTC [+] {2}
03:39	mircea_popescu	https://archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bent/processofgovernm00bent_djvu.txt
03:39	assbot	Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu )
03:39	mircea_popescu	not a bad readd
03:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38315 @ 0.00043703 = 16.7448 BTC [+]
03:41	mircea_popescu	"But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
03:41	mircea_popescu	Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
03:41	mircea_popescu	religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
03:41	mircea_popescu	"That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
03:41	mircea_popescu	I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960.
03:41	mircea_popescu	best write-up of a book ever, too
03:43	mircea_popescu	The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
03:43	mircea_popescu	They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
03:43	mircea_popescu	o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?
03:43	mircea_popescu	even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
03:44	mats	http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/
03:44	assbot	Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu )
03:44	mircea_popescu	Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
03:44	mircea_popescu	unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate
03:44	mircea_popescu	taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"
03:45	mircea_popescu	mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this.
03:45	pete_dushenski	short all the techs!
03:51	mircea_popescu	later!
03:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45294 @ 0.00041105 = 18.6181 BTC [-]
03:59	mats	i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
03:59	mats	there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
04:05	pete_dushenski	ouch
04:06	pete_dushenski	Oleg Andreev: i thought people reuse passwords because bright and capable engineers haven't come up with a better way yet.
04:09	pete_dushenski	me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
04:09	pete_dushenski	to say nothing of, y'know, memories
04:10	pete_dushenski	"engineers should give us better memories!"
04:10	pete_dushenski	actually, that would explain the nootropic fad
04:14	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00040567 = 1.8255 BTC [-]
04:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00039711 = 12.6877 BTC [-] {2}
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04:42	pete_dushenski	!up Vexual
04:43	pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/28/the-inalienable-rights-railroad/
04:43	assbot	The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMEr8m )
04:43	pete_dushenski	and with that, i bid adieu!
04:52	Vexual	i do ;ike a train
04:52	Vexual	barrelling on thru the night
04:53	Vexual	largely unstoppable
04:54	fluffypony	quite
04:54	Vexual	standard
04:55	Vexual	we had australia day recently
04:57	Vexual	you're supposed to drink beer
04:57	Vexual	fuck that
04:59	Vexual	I thought about Israel
05:04	Vexual	same sorta buhala
05:05	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ
05:12	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_eQImKnPA
05:17	adlai	mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
05:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85450 @ 0.00039116 = 33.4246 BTC [-]
05:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22693 @ 0.0003893 = 8.8344 BTC [-] {2}
05:37	punkman	!up Vexual
05:38	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00038155 = 2.6327 BTC [-]
05:41	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ
05:46	punkman	what'd you do for australiaday Vexual
05:47	Vexual	i tried to remeber that name of that usefull leightweight bitcoin client
05:47	Vexual	yjrn i hit it with a hammer
05:47	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039246 = 13.3436 BTC [+] {2}
05:48	Vexual	i had a gew whiskeys after noon
05:49	Vexual	i dont suppose you have a holiday for greeks invading greece?
05:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95900 @ 0.00039957 = 38.3188 BTC [+] {3}
05:50	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8
05:51	punkman	http://www.cretapost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/236478.jpg << there was a bit of dancing
05:51	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EpLbN0 )
05:51	Vexual	corfu?
05:54	Vexual	big tree island?
05:55	Vexual	ugg boots is holding a blunt
05:57	Vexual	if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
05:57	punkman	check out the square from diff view http://www.skoutelis-zanon.gr/files/items/4/4/plateia1.jpg
05:57	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zaCnpF )
05:58	punkman	those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
05:58	Vexual	looks hot, where is this?
06:00	Vexual	punkman school of architecture
06:03	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u6DcnNuIPw
06:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33043 @ 0.00041002 = 13.5483 BTC [+]
		~ 26 minutes ~
06:37	punkman	!up Vexual
06:38	Apocalyptic	for those interested in Bridgewater: http://nymag.com/news/business/wallstreet/ray-dalio-2011-4/
06:38	assbot	The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx2rwf )
06:39	Vexual	cool handel
06:40	jurov	"rocket-grade helium"
06:40	Vexual	its a thing
06:43	Vexual	back blocks
06:47	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk here have a snow stoen that never happemmef
06:49	jurov	obamastorm
06:52	Vexual	uwotnow?
06:52	Vexual	http://vimeo.com/61721081
07:02	Vexual	!google death proof lap dance
07:03	Vexual	!!google death proof lap dance
07:04	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMgtTqKNTc
07:06	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-T_F9y6d-o
07:06	punkman	https://www.okcoin.com/t-155.html
07:06	assbot	OKCoin´s Clawback Update - OKCoin美元交易站 - 最专业的比特币美元交易平台 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx6b0H )
07:08	punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8bgx2BCcAI7wIA.jpg
07:08	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zXj4mI )
07:10	punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Xzd8dCMAAK-ZJ.png
07:10	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zXjsBz )
07:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31551 @ 0.00039396 = 12.4298 BTC [-]
07:14	punkman	http://www.realfarmacy.com/blamed-for-bee-collapse-monsanto-buys-leading-bee-research-firm/
07:14	assbot	Blamed for Bee Collapse, Monsanto Buys Leading Bee Research FirmREALfarmacy.com | Healthy News and Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx7fS9 )
07:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00040179 = 16.6743 BTC [+] {3}
07:26	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27106 @ 0.0004116 = 11.1568 BTC [+] {2}
07:39	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38255 @ 0.00041254 = 15.7817 BTC [+]
07:39	nubbins`	mircea_popescu:nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D <<< this is actually how i got into most things
07:40	nubbins`	"but i don't know electronics" "who cares? here are some jumer cables and a bunch of toys with voice chips"
07:40	nubbins`	*jumper
07:41	nubbins`	"but i don't know how to smoke" "well, i bet you can suck a smokey milkshake through a marijuana straw!"
07:41	nubbins`	etc
07:42	nubbins`	mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
07:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34195 @ 0.00042096 = 14.3947 BTC [+]
07:43	nubbins`	pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
07:50	nubbins`	!up Vexual
07:57	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKuiI4OB8W0
07:59	nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ww3Ajhr74&feature=youtu.be
07:59	assbot	Eyes Wide Shut is a plank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAEWNi )
07:59	nubbins`	^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
07:59	nubbins`	"no way are you in vietnam" "WELL FUCK YOU HERES A VIDEO"
08:04	Vexual	ive still got noodles in my beard
08:13	Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOzdE5OTeVQ
08:24	jurov	mod6 asciilifeform your emails were rejected.
08:24	jurov	asciilifeform: your key expired
08:24	nubbins`	:o
08:24	*	nubbins` guffaws
08:25	nubbins`	;:rate alf -1 total noob
08:26	jurov	mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only
08:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0004301 = 9.2902 BTC [+]
08:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22589 @ 0.00042268 = 9.5479 BTC [-]
08:30	jurov	mhm apparently asciilifeform prolonged in december
08:31	jurov	gotta referesh my db
08:32	jurov	he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
08:36	nubbins`	heh
08:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039191 = 9.0531 BTC [-] {2}
08:49	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00040548 = 21.0039 BTC [+] {2}
08:51	nubbins`	dat mpoe bot
08:52	adlai	wut mpoe bot
08:53	nubbins`	wut
08:53	nubbins`	sorry, "dem trades executed by humans" o.O
08:53	adlai	wut
08:54	adlai	wait you mean subhuman nonpersons are allowed to trade on mpex!?
		~ 16 minutes ~
09:11	nubbins`	!up diana_coman
09:11	diana_coman	thanks nubbins`
09:12	jurov	hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
09:13	diana_coman	hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
09:13	diana_coman	thanks for pointing it out, I'll check that
09:14	nubbins`	np
09:14	jurov	adlai: i can admit mpex interface having some elements of turing test
09:14	nubbins`	diana_coman i had the same issue, just had my password in the wrong box in my client
09:14	jurov	but "not allowed" is too strong
09:15	nubbins`	server password instead of "identity password" in textual FWIW
09:15	adlai	nickserv instead of sasl ftl
09:15	nubbins`	unrelated, i just discovered a large marijuana cigarette in a seldom-used inside pocket of my winter jacket
09:15	diana_coman	ah, that might be it, thanks nubbins`
09:15	nubbins`	quit & rejoin to test :D
09:16	jurov	weed solves errything
		↖
09:16	jurov	:D
09:16	nubbins`	jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
09:16	diana_coman	will do :)
09:16	nubbins`	"man, i don't care if this shit is solved or not!"
09:17	nubbins`	[10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
09:17	nubbins`	!up diana_coman
09:17	nubbins`	congrats
09:18	diana_coman	thanks nubbins` it wasn't that though
09:18	diana_coman	the pass was in the right box
09:18	nubbins`	o
09:19	nubbins`	unrelated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Challenge
09:19	assbot	RPM Challenge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1y54svN )
09:19	nubbins`	anyone participating this year?
09:19	punkman	using SASL should work for leaky cloaks
09:19	nubbins`	maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
09:23	nubbins`	we did two last year
09:23	nubbins`	http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Dick-Surgery
09:23	assbot	CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55rMA )
09:23	nubbins`	http://music.cbc.ca/#!/artists/Atelier-Bleu
09:23	assbot	CBC Music ... ( http://bit.ly/1y55sjz )
09:23	nubbins`	AB is probably the more accessible of the two
09:26	nubbins`	(for some definition of the word)
09:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4052 @ 0.00041357 = 1.6758 BTC [+] {2}
09:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16998 @ 0.00044081 = 7.4929 BTC [+] {2}
09:38	adlai	nubbins`: http://ottsonic.fanbridge.com/fan_questions/q/1090838/
09:38	assbot	Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y58y7o )
09:39	adlai	the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
09:53	nubbins`	heh
10:07	thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe
10:07	assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030001 / 0.00038826 / 0.00048081 (1657321 shares, 643.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00030001 / 0.00046574 / 0.00053193 (6351244 shares, 2,958.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00030001 / 0.00053638 / 0.00068113 (36507342 shares, 19,582.03 BTC)
10:07	thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe
10:07	assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00044081 BTC [+]
10:07	thestringpuller	the war chests are filling
10:07	thestringpuller	my god
10:08	thestringpuller	GOOD GOD YA'LL
10:09	nubbins`	!search war chests
10:09	assbot	7 results for 'war chests' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=war+chests
10:10	nubbins`	war chest or shire sauce
10:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64300 @ 0.000412 = 26.4916 BTC [-] {2}
10:18	adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995664 << even coinbr api?
10:18	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 14:16:03; jurov: weed solves errything
10:28	thestringpuller	i never new jurov smoked
10:28	thestringpuller	awesome :D
10:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18269 @ 0.00041637 = 7.6067 BTC [+]
10:45	mats	5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
10:46	adlai	to learn of the echo chamber, you must become the echo chamber.
10:48	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47646 @ 0.00041637 = 19.8384 BTC [+]
11:01	punkman	"so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=364511 … and 2015 qualys found it again.."
11:01	assbot	Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yNuCXQ )
11:01	mod6	<+jurov> mod6: you did not include clearsigned text. but i consider this a bug,it should allow for text + detached sig only << ah, ok.
11:02	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)
11:04	mod6	no clue. when i ran it on my vm with 128mb of ram, it flew and ran for 12-14 hours before it blew up
11:04	asciilifeform	set it up with the loop now.
		↖
11:04	asciilifeform	will let it run.
11:06	asciilifeform	might actually make sense to bake in some perverse replacement memory allocator into this thing
11:06	asciilifeform	for hard constraint
11:06	asciilifeform	let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
		↖
11:07	asciilifeform	better would be to plug the leaks.
11:10	asciilifeform	mod6: how many blocks yours loaded before death ?
11:14	mod6	err.. lemme see.
11:16	mod6	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2015#989403
11:16	assbot	Logged on 23-01-2015 19:34:00; mod6: it easily lasted 12-14 hours. made it up to height=136572
11:19	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21083 @ 0.00043805 = 9.2354 BTC [+]
11:20	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6054 @ 0.0004339 = 2.6268 BTC [-]
11:20	asciilifeform	running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
		↖
11:20	asciilifeform	about 15x faster.
11:21	asciilifeform	no, 35.
11:24	asciilifeform	16000 & counting
11:38	nubbins`	ooo
11:38	nubbins`	n
11:38	nubbins`	...b
11:39	danielpbarron	asciilifeform, what kind of drive can plug into the pogo? anything that's 2.5 inch sata? or is there a way to use larger drives with a cable?
11:44	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67659 @ 0.00043049 = 29.1265 BTC [-] {5}
11:45	TomServo	danielpbarron: I'm guessing you'd need to provide your own power for a 3.5", but don't see why that wouldn't work.
11:47	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> dude this guy rocks. who's he ? << Maybe a splinter fraction of redditards is finally reading logs
11:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 200 @ 0.005701 = 1.1402 BTC [-] {3}
		~ 16 minutes ~
12:05	BingoBoingo	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/27/trivial_hole_left_black_phones_open_to_plunder/
12:05	assbot	'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz56GY )
12:06	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00045914 = 12.1213 BTC [+] {2}
12:07	adlai	inb4 orangephone
12:12	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: 2.5" sata
12:12	asciilifeform	or usb3 into rear jacks
12:12	asciilifeform	104893 blox
12:15	punkman	"In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
12:15	TomServo	heh, "No-fly firmware"
12:20	punkman	more on the same theme http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking
12:20	assbot	Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz7GwN )
12:21	danielpbarron	hah, i love that app
12:24	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1691 @ 0.00102669 = 1.7361 BTC [-] {15}
12:25	adlai	vehakol betotzeret haaretz!
12:25	punkman	http://www.flyingmag.com/technique/accidents/greek-f-16-crash-kills-11-during-nato-exercise
12:25	assbot	Greek F-16 Crash Kills 11 During NATO Exercise | Flying Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz8zoW )
12:26	adlai	well that's shitty.
12:27	adlai	F-16s are supposed to kill hundreds during NATO operations, not dozens in exercises
12:38	danielpbarron	!gettrust NxtChg
12:38	assbot	NxtChg is not registered in WoT.
12:38	hanbot	BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
12:38	BingoBoingo	hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
12:49	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1101 @ 0.00104599 = 1.1516 BTC [+] {3}
12:54	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00041531 = 7.2679 BTC [-]
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13:17	ben_vulpes	<asciilifeform> [] a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. << f yeah. share?
13:17	*	ben_vulpes may have to declare log bankruptcy, and it's only wednesday!
13:24	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: share? << see last night's thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994978
13:24	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 05:37:52; asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz
13:29	ben_vulpes	haw
13:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00043249 = 1.8472 BTC [+]
13:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30951 @ 0.00043249 = 13.386 BTC [+]
13:37	asciilifeform	'blackphone' >> :
13:38	asciilifeform	!s zimmerman
13:38	assbot	20 results for 'zimmerman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zimmerman
13:39	asciilifeform	but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'
13:46	BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all
13:46	gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 244.19, vol: 16928.15134187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 235.699, vol: 12475.48887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 242.3, vol: 44508.56374097 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 262.0, vol: 9.37144747 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 242.8717, vol: 171698.44510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 255.02223, vol: 70.23057819 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 249.502, vol: 107.03334957 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
13:48	mircea_popescu	bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
13:48	mircea_popescu	innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?!
13:49	mircea_popescu	guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
13:49	asciilifeform	where? in my turd ?
13:49	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no my bash
13:53	TomServo	Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
13:53	TomServo	Address is also displaying this odd message:
13:53	TomServo	Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help.
13:54	mike_c	TomServo: what's the address again?
13:54	TomServo	mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe.
13:55	mike_c	yeah, that was it. thanks.
13:56	trinque	Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
13:56	trinque	I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it.
14:00	asciilifeform	130080
14:03	mircea_popescu	nice!
14:04	mike_c	snsa going to sell the node in a box?
14:04	mike_c	that would be cool
14:05	mod6	ascii: good deal!
14:08	nubbins`	would buy
14:08	mircea_popescu	mike_c giveaway more like it.
14:08	nubbins`	slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it
14:09	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D
14:09	mike_c	the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :)
14:09	nubbins`	once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal
14:09	TomServo	I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
14:10	TomServo	Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
14:11	mircea_popescu	TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet.
14:11	mircea_popescu	!up berndj
14:11	nubbins`	straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers
14:11	mircea_popescu	nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ?
14:11	nubbins`	look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi
14:12	nubbins`	prob would not distribute
14:12	nubbins`	still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8)
14:13	nubbins`	packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still
14:13	nubbins`	but something rustic yet simple
14:13	nubbins`	https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3327644/DSC03048.0.jpg
14:13	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CzsnJ1 )
14:13	nubbins`	^
14:14	mircea_popescu	way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back.
14:14	mircea_popescu	cheaper, faster and imo more effective.
14:14	nubbins`	so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate"
14:14	mircea_popescu	yup
14:14	nubbins`	nb.
14:14	nubbins`	most people would not take the 50 back
14:14	mircea_popescu	entirely up to them.
14:15	nubbins`	nod
14:15	nubbins`	could even use blockchain-based proof
14:15	mircea_popescu	but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
14:16	nubbins`	unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up
14:16	mircea_popescu	anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper
14:16	mircea_popescu	i dunno unit can create txn
14:16	nubbins`	daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
14:16	asciilifeform	no rng in these machines. literally none.
14:16	nubbins`	bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it.
14:17	asciilifeform	can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.
14:17	nubbins`	no doubt
14:17	nubbins`	but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
14:18	nubbins`	generate offline, w/e
14:18	nubbins`	bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc
14:18	mircea_popescu	not so crazy about the privacy implications.
14:18	nubbins`	privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
14:19	nubbins`	i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p
14:19	mircea_popescu	that's inconsequential.
14:19	mircea_popescu	understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
14:20	*	nubbins` gestures helplessly
14:20	nubbins`	what
14:23	asciilifeform	oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to.
14:23	mircea_popescu	nubbins` ayup.
14:23	asciilifeform	(it's simply a 3-line sh)
14:23	mircea_popescu	cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified.
14:24	nubbins`	sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
14:25	asciilifeform	ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night
14:25	nubbins`	^
14:25	mats	http://www.black-swift.ru/
14:25	assbot	Black Swift - Black Swift ... ( http://bit.ly/1By4jEZ )
14:25	nubbins`	this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
14:25	asciilifeform	but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad
14:26	nubbins`	you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device
14:26	nubbins`	and just store the tx
14:26	mircea_popescu	mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here /
14:26	mircea_popescu	nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases.
14:27	mircea_popescu	!up bitcoin-market68
14:27	asciilifeform	some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap
14:27	nubbins`	some number of idiots will do this no matter what
14:27	mircea_popescu	i somehow doubt it, but anyway.
14:27	nubbins`	some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it
14:27	nubbins`	etc etc
14:27	nubbins`	but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
14:28	nubbins`	actually retarded
14:28	nubbins`	however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
14:28	asciilifeform	i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in
14:28	mircea_popescu	nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
14:28	nubbins`	you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
14:29	nubbins`	those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
14:29	mircea_popescu	the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
14:29	asciilifeform	for the motherland (tm)
14:29	nubbins`	mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
14:29	trinque	are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
14:29	trinque	the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
14:30	trinque	some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing
14:30	asciilifeform	conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?
14:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ?
14:30	nubbins`	i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
14:30	mircea_popescu	trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind
14:30	mircea_popescu	much safer.
14:30	mircea_popescu	nubbins` so then move to the antiles ?
14:30	nubbins`	gross, too hot
14:31	mircea_popescu	!up phillipsjk
14:31	trinque	mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing
14:31	nubbins`	anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
14:31	nubbins`	i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
14:31	mircea_popescu	nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque
14:31	mircea_popescu	im not shipping anything
14:31	nubbins`	and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
14:31	phillipsjk	I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
14:31	mircea_popescu	that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
14:31	mircea_popescu	let people just buy thjem themselves.
14:32	mircea_popescu	phillipsjk impossible.
14:32	nubbins`	nod
14:32	nubbins`	or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
14:32	mircea_popescu	wut ?
14:32	mircea_popescu	i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
14:32	asciilifeform	a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure
14:33	mircea_popescu	l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines
14:33	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
14:33	nubbins`	hm
14:33	mircea_popescu	you know, when the space kept doubling.
14:33	nubbins`	so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions?
14:33	asciilifeform	idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
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14:33	phillipsjk	asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size.
14:33	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yup
14:33	mircea_popescu	so far at any rate.
14:34	nubbins`	o.
14:34	mircea_popescu	phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
14:34	mircea_popescu	problem is the chain won't fit.
14:34	mats	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/nobel-prize-winning-economist-says-it-s-time-to-buy-greek-stocks kek
14:34	assbot	Nobel Winner Shiller Joins Pimco in Saying Buy Greek Assets - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1By5hks )
14:35	mircea_popescu	wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ?
14:35	nubbins`	asciilifeform that's what i pictured too
14:36	asciilifeform	idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.
14:36	nubbins`	yes, precisely
14:36	nubbins`	luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
14:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit
14:36	asciilifeform	just... breed them.
14:36	asciilifeform	first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend.
14:37	mircea_popescu	yeah.
14:37	mircea_popescu	i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
14:37	phillipsjk	What size SSD are you thinking of using?
14:37	asciilifeform	why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration.
14:37	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc.
14:38	danielpbarron	a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb
14:38	asciilifeform	no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while
14:38	mircea_popescu	phillipsjk 256 so far.
14:38	*	phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node.
14:38	nubbins`	minimal, but nonetheless
14:38	mircea_popescu	phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
14:39	asciilifeform	if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury
14:41	phillipsjk	Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
14:42	mircea_popescu	you don't plug it into the wall
14:42	phillipsjk	Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed.
14:42	mircea_popescu	you plug it into your current modem
14:42	mircea_popescu	nat router, w/e you use
14:42	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-]
14:42	asciilifeform	phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.
14:42	danielpbarron	can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them?
14:43	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ?
14:43	asciilifeform	danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?
14:43	mircea_popescu	yay. defo.
14:43	mircea_popescu	danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
14:44	mircea_popescu	!up macklemores_toup
14:44	mircea_popescu	dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens.
14:44	danielpbarron	the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine
14:45	mircea_popescu	just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?!
14:46	phillipsjk	MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P
14:46	phillipsjk	*if
14:46	mircea_popescu	microsoft is not in the wot.
14:47	phillipsjk	Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks.
14:47	mircea_popescu	adaptec's private turd ?
14:48	trinque	why use vfat in the first place?
14:48	phillipsjk	They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
14:50	phillipsjk	trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
14:50	mircea_popescu	scoopbot -fetch
14:51	mircea_popescu	;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ?
14:51	gribble	The operation succeeded.
14:51	trinque	phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
14:51	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/
14:51	assbot	Apple : first greatest biggest etc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsgd2W )
14:52	asciilifeform	why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ?
14:52	mircea_popescu	part of aculturation process for noobs ?
14:52	*	phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents.
14:54	phillipsjk	Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
14:55	mircea_popescu	aha
14:55	asciilifeform	and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially
14:55	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
14:55	mike_c	it should be irrelevant
14:55	lobbes	<asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
14:56	mircea_popescu	but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!"
14:56	mike_c	yeah. it will be cool.
14:56	lobbes	mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact
14:56	asciilifeform	hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg
14:56	mircea_popescu	mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
14:56	lobbes	mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime
14:56	mike_c	hehe
14:56	mircea_popescu	then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT"
14:56	mircea_popescu	and we can have a private chuckle
14:56	trinque	lol
14:57	mircea_popescu	see it's working already.
14:57	phillipsjk	asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
14:57	asciilifeform	i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine
14:57	mircea_popescu	we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
14:57	phillipsjk	*patents
14:57	mircea_popescu	the chuckflation.
14:58	mircea_popescu	phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
14:58	phillipsjk	Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
14:58	mircea_popescu	there you go.
14:59	mircea_popescu	not in the wot = no rights.
14:59	nubbins`	incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
14:59	nubbins`	backed up til at least april right now
14:59	phillipsjk	The Wot is not Bitcoin though.
14:59	mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ << see thar
14:59	assbot	A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd )
15:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ?
15:02	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?
15:02	mircea_popescu	or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ?
15:03	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
15:06	trinque	"This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
15:09	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly.
15:09	asciilifeform	135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far
15:09	BingoBoingo	!up phillipsjk
15:17	asciilifeform	appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)
15:18	asciilifeform	now unwedged. go figure.
15:18	davout	ohai
15:20	assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13}
15:20	davout	the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
15:20	davout	curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up
15:22	asciilifeform	davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.
15:22	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform time /
15:22	mircea_popescu	davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah
15:23	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
15:23	mircea_popescu	the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node.
15:24	asciilifeform	~4 hrs
15:24	mircea_popescu	http://36.media.tumblr.com/e37d779218ba44f713254eb00a83799a/tumblr_mono8s5yEL1rjqog4o1_500.jpg
15:24	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1tstMzm )
15:24	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?!
15:25	asciilifeform	first 135k
15:25	mod6	took mine like 12 hours to get that many.
15:25	mod6	i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram
15:25	asciilifeform	it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed
15:25	mod6	ah.
15:25	mircea_popescu	impressive!
15:25	davout	so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
15:25	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ?
15:25	mircea_popescu	davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide
15:26	PeterL	mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts?
15:26	mircea_popescu	PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch
15:26	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995717 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995729
15:26	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
15:26	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now.
15:26	mircea_popescu	ah started over. kay.
15:26	davout	methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain
15:27	mircea_popescu	well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so.
15:27	mircea_popescu	one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain
15:27	asciilifeform	davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995906
15:27	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
15:28	davout	"one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
15:28	mircea_popescu	apparently its ~ 100 hours or so
15:28	asciilifeform	for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart
15:28	mircea_popescu	ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history.
15:29	davout	if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
15:29	mircea_popescu	even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine.
15:30	davout	also http://cointelegraph.com/news/113383/amsterdam-bitcoin-hackathon-winner-discovers-way-to-remove-confirmations <<< top kek
15:30	assbot	Amsterdam Bitcoin Hackathon Winner Discovers Way To Remove Confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBviKw )
15:30	davout	"you just need to deposit some collateral"
15:30	mircea_popescu	sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ?
15:31	mircea_popescu	". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products – a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance."
15:31	mircea_popescu	these people are complete fucking idiots.
15:31	mircea_popescu	so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
15:31	mircea_popescu	half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
15:31	mircea_popescu	omfg, i saw half a movie!!1
15:32	nubbins`	joke's on them!!!111
15:32	mircea_popescu	it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing.
15:32	asciilifeform	'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314
15:32	assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBvBEY )
15:32	mircea_popescu	think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
15:33	nubbins`	well y'know, give everyone the internet...
15:33	mircea_popescu	"This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
15:33	mircea_popescu	and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'
15:33	mircea_popescu	srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ?
15:34	mircea_popescu	how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
15:34	mircea_popescu	o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father.
15:34	mircea_popescu	he has tuberculosis.
15:35	davout	"how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
15:35	mircea_popescu	riiiight.
15:35	mircea_popescu	fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.
15:36	nubbins`	alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
15:36	asciilifeform	not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.
15:37	mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
15:37	nubbins`	k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
15:37	mircea_popescu	that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable
15:37	mircea_popescu	but this is a perk./
15:37	nubbins`	a.
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15:40	asciilifeform	nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net
15:40	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread.
15:40	davout	asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool
15:41	fluffypony	I thought I had someone, he bailed
15:41	fluffypony	(and that was with agreement to pay)
15:41	nubbins`	oh, i missed that as well.
15:41	nubbins`	what's the make/model?
15:41	mircea_popescu	davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts.
15:41	mircea_popescu	fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
15:41	fluffypony	quite
15:41	mircea_popescu	we need slave labour damnit.
15:42	asciilifeform	davout: see log:
15:42	asciilifeform	!s pogoplug
15:42	assbot	16 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug
15:43	asciilifeform	cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit
15:43	mircea_popescu	nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
15:43	nubbins`	nod
15:43	mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/b8746a519151b0d72d59f40f4e78ba4c/tumblr_mldvclICsu1qfrklho1_500.jpg << teh coy behaviour.
15:43	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1tsD4v8 )
15:44	nubbins`	don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
15:44	mircea_popescu	notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
15:44	asciilifeform	actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes
15:44	mircea_popescu	nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
15:44	nubbins`	remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
15:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
15:45	nubbins`	asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
15:45	asciilifeform	usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
15:45	mircea_popescu	shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.
15:45	nubbins`	asciilifeform true
15:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ?
15:46	mircea_popescu	nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
15:46	asciilifeform	they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)
15:46	nubbins`	couldn't tell ya
15:46	mircea_popescu	yeh right you are asciilifeform
15:46	nubbins`	but y'know. this is just adding whistles
15:46	mircea_popescu	pretty much yeah
15:47	nubbins`	smallest capable size is what you want
15:48	nubbins`	if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running
15:48	nubbins`	my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example
15:48	nubbins`	i don't have room for a big ol' box
15:50	asciilifeform	nubbins: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << size & shape
15:50	assbot	test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsFGsS )
15:51	nubbins`	nb
15:52	nubbins`	that's the regular lid on the right?
15:53	davout	asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY amirite
15:53	assbot	Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBz3zE )
15:54	nubbins`	dat price
15:54	asciilifeform	nubbins: yes, it
15:55	nubbins`	and this is the thing you've been testing it on
15:56	*	nubbins` blinks, purchases
15:56	asciilifeform	aha
15:56	davout	asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage
15:56	davout	in addition to the thing itself
15:57	asciilifeform	davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil
15:58	asciilifeform	davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)
15:59	davout	ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
15:59	asciilifeform	davout: sd is slow as fuck
15:59	mircea_popescu	and wear prob lems
15:59	mircea_popescu	but it may work.
15:59	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running
16:00	davout	ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it
16:00	asciilifeform	who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ?
16:00	mircea_popescu	most people lol
16:00	davout	lol
16:01	davout	"No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know
16:01	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable.
16:01	asciilifeform	at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)
16:02	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop.
16:02	asciilifeform	the sd will croak reasonably quickly.
16:02	mircea_popescu	this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc.
16:02	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon.
16:02	mircea_popescu	where you live.
16:02	davout	so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded
16:02	mircea_popescu	davout untested but conceivably.
16:03	davout	asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
16:03	mircea_popescu	^ aptly put.
16:03	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo
16:03	mircea_popescu	women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
16:04	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
16:04	asciilifeform	fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?
16:05	mircea_popescu	a web entrepreneur
16:05	nubbins`	would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
16:05	mircea_popescu	at least in my experience.
16:05	asciilifeform	nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
16:05	nubbins`	oh, usb, that's right. jeez.
16:05	mircea_popescu	^
16:05	nubbins`	one of those tiny little nub (!) ones
16:05	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2}
16:06	mircea_popescu	even an 8gb should do well
16:06	mircea_popescu	i dunno if you can even buy them anymore
16:06	asciilifeform	wai wat?! 8g? how
16:06	mircea_popescu	and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
16:06	nubbins`	8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall.
16:07	asciilifeform	nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)
16:07	mircea_popescu	nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;)
16:07	nubbins`	HEH
16:07	nubbins`	for some defs of plug!
16:07	mircea_popescu	for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi.
16:07	nubbins`	too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point
16:08	davout	how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
16:08	nubbins`	zip it, duh
16:08	nubbins`	;D
16:08	mircea_popescu	oh that's right.
16:08	mircea_popescu	FINE!
16:08	nubbins`	anyway
16:08	nubbins`	usb sticks are ~$1/gb
16:08	mircea_popescu	i was here in an earlier time, a happier time
16:08	nubbins`	suppose it's a 64
16:09	nubbins`	still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
16:09	davout	$ du -sh blocks --> 34G
16:09	mircea_popescu	28gb atm
16:09	davout	the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device
16:09	davout	:D
16:09	mircea_popescu	ayup.
16:10	mircea_popescu	because you know, gavin is right and storage is free.
16:10	mircea_popescu	(if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
16:10	davout	it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year
16:11	davout	OKEY DOKEY
16:11	mircea_popescu	;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
16:11	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:11	nubbins`	wrong sp
16:11	mircea_popescu	wtf is it ?
16:11	nubbins`	i uh.
16:11	nubbins`	andreesen?
16:11	nubbins`	;;google usgavin bitcoin
16:11	gribble	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/>; Bitcoin - Twitter: <https://twitter.com/gavinandresen>; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/>
16:11	nubbins`	andresen
16:12	mircea_popescu	;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
16:12	gribble	The operation succeeded.
16:12	mircea_popescu	i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
16:12	danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4q9wt0yr
16:12	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1wBC8zq )
16:12	mircea_popescu	maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks.
16:13	mircea_popescu	to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!"
16:13	nubbins`	heh
16:14	nubbins`	in fairness, give it a year
16:14	nubbins`	and they prolly will be.
16:14	BingoBoingo	thanks danielpbarron
16:14	mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah, tell you what : http://log.b-a.link/?date=28-01-2015#996176
16:14	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well
16:14	nubbins`	i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle
16:14	mircea_popescu	that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb.
16:14	nubbins`	2 troo
16:15	mircea_popescu	and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks...
16:15	mircea_popescu	;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2
16:15	gribble	55113154560
16:15	nubbins`	why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
16:15	mircea_popescu	55gb a year as we are.
16:15	asciilifeform	oomkill, 139007
16:16	mats	;;bc,stats
16:16	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
16:16	gribble	Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585
16:16	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha
16:16	mircea_popescu	to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
16:17	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+]
16:18	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread)
16:18	mircea_popescu	kk
16:18	asciilifeform	incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?
16:19	mats	https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na
16:19	assbot	Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )
16:19	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dun think so.
16:20	BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
16:21	danielpbarron	isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number."
16:22	BingoBoingo	Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
16:24	BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
16:24	mod6	asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput
16:25	mod6	which is another major problem for ben & i
16:25	mircea_popescu	jurov you around ?
16:26	danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, sounds good
16:26	TomServo	RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD.
16:26	danielpbarron	good point; that does make it sound especially bad
16:29	BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
16:29	assbot	BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBEOgE )
16:29	asciilifeform	sd is just a bitch
16:33	xanthyos	:)
16:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-]
16:34	scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/
16:36	jurov	mircea_popescu: just arrived
16:38	mircea_popescu	jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list
16:39	jurov	i know, explained in the morning
16:40	jurov	but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email
16:41	asciilifeform	any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?
16:41	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995721
16:41	assbot	Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
16:45	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say.
16:45	mircea_popescu	!up t4nk
16:46	asciilifeform	it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...
16:48	mircea_popescu	this is a point huh
16:49	asciilifeform	not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon
16:49	asciilifeform	as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants'
16:50	jurov	http://btc.yt/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html okay it's here
16:50	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/15UXgLV )
16:50	davout	asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind
16:50	asciilifeform	ty jurov!
16:50	jurov	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(
16:50	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/15UXoLr )
16:50	asciilifeform	davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space.
16:50	mod6	ah cool, i see it now
16:52	davout	asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)
17:06	scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/
17:06	mircea_popescu	worx now.
17:06	mircea_popescu	scoopbot you old perv
17:09	asciilifeform	mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory
17:09	asciilifeform	because, i think, already had keys
17:12	pete_dushenski	nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
17:13	pete_dushenski	it seems to me that it just was
17:13	pete_dushenski	just as it just is
17:13	pete_dushenski	just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy.
17:14	asciilifeform	cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory
17:14	pete_dushenski	maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be
17:14	asciilifeform	none of the gpg logs end up written
17:14	mod6	are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website?
17:14	asciilifeform	site
17:15	mod6	it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
17:15	mod6	clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
17:15	asciilifeform	it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears
17:15	mod6	Should still end up with "Good Signature"
17:16	mircea_popescu	hm
17:16	asciilifeform	the gpg logs never happen.
17:17	mod6	*shrug*, works for me i guess
17:17	mircea_popescu	o.O
17:17	mircea_popescu	what's this, the magic website ?!
17:18	mod6	I'll take it down.
17:18	mod6	YOu'll just have to patch it by hand.
17:18	mircea_popescu	but i mean...
17:18	nubbins`	you mean, we nice
17:18	nubbins`	;/
17:18	mod6	done
17:19	BingoBoingo	!b 4
17:19	assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WAZCWV.txt )
17:21	pete_dushenski	Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
17:24	asciilifeform	!b 1
17:24	assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XE4HJ7.txt )
17:25	mircea_popescu	doh.
17:27	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2}
17:29	asciilifeform	144255 block
17:36	mircea_popescu	!up phillipsjk
17:36	mircea_popescu	get a wot already eh.
17:36	phillipsjk	What is the minimum?
17:37	mircea_popescu	for what ?
17:37	phillipsjk	the bot voicing me
17:37	pete_dushenski	l2
17:37	mircea_popescu	1
17:37	danielpbarron	the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2
17:37	mircea_popescu	ah ok
17:37	mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot phillipsjk
17:37	assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk
17:38	mircea_popescu	yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it.
17:38	phillipsjk	I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS
17:39	mircea_popescu	possibru
17:50	mats	http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/kobane-beginning-isil-201512782724826681.html
17:50	assbot	Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M )
17:51	mats	kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it
17:59	phillipsjk	is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment)
18:00	BingoBoingo	!down phillipsjk
18:00	BingoBoingo	!up phillipsjk
18:00	mod6	asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing
18:00	BingoBoingo	phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring?
18:01	jurov	mod6 i'm on it, too
18:01	mod6	thanks jurov
18:01	phillipsjk	no, I just gave it the decrypted string
18:03	BingoBoingo	phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
18:05	mircea_popescu	well done.
18:05	davout	mazeltov
18:06	mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/50272c1a00a7d304816b7cd0f7aebedf/tumblr_mnxxa0siTe1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ?
18:06	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1tttPe1 )
18:08	jurov	is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
18:09	jurov	in the script there are plenty of lines starting with -
18:09	jurov	that got mangled
18:10	davout	jurov: gpg -d would do that
18:10	jurov	mod6 ^
18:11	jurov	got it working
18:11	davout	iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr
18:12	mats	http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.
18:12	assbot	The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o )
18:12	mircea_popescu	btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro :
18:12	mircea_popescu	size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr)
18:12	mircea_popescu	- + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1);
18:12	mircea_popescu	+ + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs)
18:12	mircea_popescu	+ + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1);
18:12	mircea_popescu	pretty fucking lulzy too.
18:12	mod6	\o/
18:12	mod6	thanks mp
18:12	mircea_popescu	that's basically it, recompile.
18:12	mod6	jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
18:13	jurov	mod6 that's about script not working
18:14	mod6	oh. weird.
18:14	mod6	OH
18:14	mod6	ok.. yes.
18:15	mod6	i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
18:15	mod6	the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think.
18:15	jurov	but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
18:15	jurov	and won't accept relative paths for homedir
18:16	mod6	now that is bizzare
18:16	jurov	and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys
18:16	jurov	*homedir
18:16	mod6	so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg
18:16	mod6	(for instance)
18:17	mod6	it's gotta be a versioning problem.
18:17	mod6	lemme see what I was using...
18:17	mod6	root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version
18:17	mod6	gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
18:17	mod6	and
18:17	jurov	gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line
18:18	mod6	root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version
18:18	mod6	gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10
18:18	mod6	huh.
18:18	jurov	gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil
18:18	mod6	jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using
18:19	mod6	ahh, ok
18:19	mod6	yeah, i think this is an old school thing
18:19	*	mod6 looks
18:19	jurov	anyway, gonna post my script
18:24	mod6	deeeerp
18:24	mod6	--log-file file
18:24	mod6	--logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
18:30	mats	http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/greek-pm-longer-submit-eu-150128130451453.html
18:30	assbot	Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql )
18:30	mats	hohoho
18:31	mats	"Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
18:32	mod6	gotta figure out something with this --homedir option
18:34	nubbins`	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan
18:34	assbot	American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )
18:34	mod6	that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno
18:34	mod6	i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also
18:34	mod6	ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab
18:34	nubbins`	this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
18:35	nubbins`	and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals
18:35	nubbins`	i have no sides
18:36	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+]
18:37	jurov	mod6 script fix sent
18:37	mats	nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
18:38	nubbins`	if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too
18:38	*	nubbins` sets lit match on floor
18:45	jurov	mod6, also it left all qt-related files in
18:50	*	jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
18:59	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2}
19:01	mircea_popescu	<assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.
19:01	mircea_popescu	speaking of al jazeera usa - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html tlp on point as usual.
19:01	assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: How Does The Shutdown Relate To Me? ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ryb3C )
19:03	mircea_popescu	"Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."
19:04	mircea_popescu	humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit
19:05	mircea_popescu	typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.
19:05	mircea_popescu	for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode
19:06	mircea_popescu	souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."
19:08	mircea_popescu	in other news, teh house with a view : http://40.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_miu8wxWBEe1rhlfrbo1_500.jpg
19:08	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/15RAEem )
19:11	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56908 @ 0.00043576 = 24.7982 BTC [+] {3}
19:11	jurov	...aaaannnd it's here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?v=0.5.3.1
19:11	assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/15RBrMv )
19:15	mircea_popescu	The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.
19:15	mircea_popescu	You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.
19:15	mircea_popescu	This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.
19:15	mircea_popescu	holy shit i love this guy.,
19:19	mats	16-12-2014 01:38:56 <asciilifeform> here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise
19:25	mats	y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.
19:25	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38531 @ 0.00043792 = 16.8735 BTC [+] {2}
19:29	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00042709 = 33.676 BTC [-] {3}
19:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00042546 = 14.8911 BTC [-] {3}
19:34	mod6	<+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em
19:34	mod6	plz
19:35	jurov	i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)
19:35	mod6	jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.
19:36	jurov	yes, i sent it
19:36	mod6	jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time
19:37	jurov	i may not be always available, don't wait for me
19:37	mod6	lol, im pretty dumb
19:38	mod6	ugh, im disgusted right now
19:41	mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/BXw5RxQ.gifv utility raven
19:41	assbot	Crow feeding a cat & dog. ... ( http://bit.ly/15RK9dA )
19:44	mod6	jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.
19:44	mod6	very much appreciated.
19:47	mod6	I ran it, but got an error here:
19:47	mod6	./build_0_0_5_ec263eed1e1bcba06568a86bf0817235aa42b4bb.sh: 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number
19:48	mod6	gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null
19:50	jurov	interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >&
19:51	mod6	did i mention that I hate shell scripts :)
19:51	mod6	i should hvae wrote it in perl.
19:51	mod6	that's my bad
19:51	jurov	apparently it should be &>
19:51	mod6	i dunno what i was thinking
19:53	jurov	when you change it works?
19:55	*	mod6 is testing it
19:56	mod6	seems to be. i'll post the typescript
19:56	jurov	&> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).
19:56	gribble	Error: ">" is not a valid command.
19:56	jurov	In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only
19:56	jurov	it's unix wars all again
19:58	jurov	bye
19:59	mod6	http://dpaste.com/20J4G50
19:59	assbot	dpaste: 20J4G50 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4HKIr )
20:00	mod6	my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.
20:00	mod6	will look
20:02	mod6	to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again
20:03	mod6	huh. i dunno
20:03	mod6	keys were imported tho
20:04	mod6	i'll resend to the list with the updates.
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20:21	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00042999 = 26.4014 BTC [+]
20:33	mod6	ok all set, thanks again jurov.
20:34	mod6	!rated jurov
20:34	assbot	You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.
20:34	mod6	!rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
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20:35	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z4Nyls )
20:35	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00042999 = 7.2286 BTC [+]
20:35	mod6	!v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649
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20:36	mod6	!rated decimation
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20:37	asciilifeform	158125
20:37	mod6	!rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick
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20:38	mod6	!rate danielpbarron 1 Tested something for me quick
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20:38	mod6	nice asciilifeform
20:38	asciilifeform	mod6: sorry missed your message. was in a car.
20:38	asciilifeform	ever got the thing to work ?
20:39	mod6	no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out.
20:39	asciilifeform	neato
20:39	mod6	sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week.
20:39	asciilifeform	is there a link to the latest ?
20:40	mod6	yeah, its on the website
20:40	mod6	one sec
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20:40	mod6	!rated asciilifeform
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20:41	mod6	!rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
20:41	assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!
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20:42	mod6	!v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.2:a2bf41f16c31b6d7481d0c931e1fc204358af2edbbc1240286b8c127f8e80b11
20:42	assbot	Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
20:42	mod6	who'd i miss?
20:43	asciilifeform	cut: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
20:43	asciilifeform	find: `./bitcoin-0.5.3.1': No such file or directory
20:43	asciilifeform	cat: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory
20:43	asciilifeform	Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match\n
20:43	asciilifeform	the file count from the manifest.
20:43	asciilifeform	post-pruning: 1
20:43	asciilifeform	manifest: 0
20:46	mod6	lol
20:46	mod6	omg
20:47	mod6	ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl.
20:47	mod6	not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.
20:48	mod6	right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers
20:48	mod6	and then I gotta start writing the eom docs.
20:48	asciilifeform	5 oomkills today.
20:48	mod6	after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..
20:49	mod6	sorry for the trouble here.
20:50	asciilifeform	mod6: might have to patch by hand for now.
20:50	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00043147 = 7.2681 BTC [+]
20:50	mod6	ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.
20:50	asciilifeform	mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time
20:50	mod6	should be version 0.0.4
20:50	mod6	anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it.
20:51	mod6	it's pretty easy.
20:51	asciilifeform	mats: point is, proposed protocol is not a circuit at all, but an arbitrarily delay-tolerant 'mailboxer.'
20:51	mod6	just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.
20:51	mats	ok
20:51	mod6	let me see what I can do about a perl script quick.
20:51	mod6	maybe i can whip something out
20:52	asciilifeform	mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
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20:54	asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-105.pdf << mega-lol
20:54	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yAefZU )
20:55	asciilifeform	reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing.
20:56	asciilifeform	'With respect to Defendant’s inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendant’s counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc
20:56	asciilifeform	e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendant’s copy of the Declaration of Independe
20:56	asciilifeform	nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.'
20:56	asciilifeform	^^^^^^^
20:56	mats	http://www.naftemporiki.gr/finance/athexTreemap << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan
20:57	assbot	Χάρτης της αγοράς (Heatmap) | Χρηματιστήριο Αθηνών | naftemporiki.gr ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAeYub )
20:57	asciilifeform	^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings.
20:57	asciilifeform	(theirs - or ours - whichever comes first)
21:00	mike_c	is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install?
21:01	mike_c	oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess.
21:01	asciilifeform	wat
21:01	mike_c	http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/
21:01	assbot	Index of /cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAg4WO )
21:03	mike_c	whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro.
21:03	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00042866 = 9.0019 BTC [-] {2}
21:04	trinque	mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages
21:04	trinque	there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs
21:04	mike_c	and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap?
21:05	asciilifeform	mike_c: offline installables, for when you're flying to alpha centauri or whatnot
21:05	trinque	its some subset of or the whole apt collection
21:06	mike_c	interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl.
21:06	*	BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship
21:06	asciilifeform	i have no idea for what
21:06	asciilifeform	it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud
21:07	asciilifeform	who here used ftp.cdrom.com ?
21:07	trinque	airdropped into africa!
21:08	asciilifeform	was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk
21:08	asciilifeform	(they conveniently packaged it)
21:08	asciilifeform	aka 'walnut creek cdrom.'
21:09	asciilifeform	https://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/history.html
21:09	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yAi01r )
21:09	*	BingoBoingo remembers browing linuxiso.???
21:11	asciilifeform	jurov: can that lxr thing crap out html for offline viewing by any chance ?
21:20	mircea_popescu	!up GodHatesFigs
21:34	asciilifeform	162160
		~ 15 minutes ~
21:49	mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats
21:49	gribble	Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165
21:49	mircea_popescu	almsot there eh ? :D
21:49	asciilifeform	oomkill every half hour or so
21:50	asciilifeform	might need to plug that leak before these sail.
21:50	asciilifeform	it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense
21:50	asciilifeform	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1#1466 << here
21:50	assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMgOR )
21:50	asciilifeform	(and previous threads. but now with nice jurov concordance)
21:50	mircea_popescu	mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem
21:51	mircea_popescu	i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway
21:51	asciilifeform	the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed.
21:51	mircea_popescu	yeah that's likely it.
21:51	asciilifeform	provably it.
21:51	asciilifeform	http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ
21:51	assbot	dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMm96 )
21:51	asciilifeform	(threw that here a while ago)
21:52	asciilifeform	did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ?
21:52	thestringpuller	none of them?
21:53	mircea_popescu	it never existed.
21:53	thestringpuller	d00d its fucking MSVC code
21:53	asciilifeform	thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so
21:53	thestringpuller	da fuck you expect?
21:53	asciilifeform	thestringpuller: wat
21:53	thestringpuller	v 0.1 was written with Visual C++
21:53	asciilifeform	ah that
21:53	mircea_popescu	it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it.
21:54	thestringpuller	they'll just run valgrind until it tells them its okay
21:54	asciilifeform	i have a 0.8.6 node running continuously with no leakage
21:54	asciilifeform	during chain load or otherwise
21:54	asciilifeform	although come to think of it, it inherited its blocks from earlier one
21:54	mircea_popescu	oh you meant first that way ?
21:55	asciilifeform	aha
21:55	mircea_popescu	it's not really deterministic best i can tell
21:55	mircea_popescu	and im not spending man hours on dead branches.
21:55	asciilifeform	only to see what changed
21:55	asciilifeform	looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability
21:56	asciilifeform	'glue with broken glass'
21:56	mircea_popescu	yep
21:56	asciilifeform	almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here.
21:56	asciilifeform	and didn't much care to see it go easily
21:56	mircea_popescu	well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.
21:56	mircea_popescu	they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.
21:58	mircea_popescu	and to think, two years of effort, gone. all those "salaries", suddenly unjustified.
21:58	mircea_popescu	all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.
21:59	mircea_popescu	if only nightmares could scream.
22:04	*	trinque reaches the top of the pile, switches to deedbot dev
22:12	BingoBoingo	So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile
22:13	BingoBoingo	http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/28/san-francisco-deputy-public-defender-detained-for-intervening-between-police-and-her-client/
22:13	assbot	San Francisco Deputy Public Defender Arrested For Intervening Between Police And Her Client « CBS San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bDYU )
22:15	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10262 @ 0.00043147 = 4.4277 BTC [+]
22:15	BingoBoingo	Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back... https://twitter.com/jonmatonis
22:15	assbot	Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7bTXK )
22:15	*	BingoBoingo wonders when he will realize... he can submit writing too as he atones for that unfortunate Foundation episode...
22:16	pete_dushenski	matonis is a pretty strong writer too
22:18	*	BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.
22:20	pete_dushenski	just plunk down a coin on one side or the other and away you go
22:22	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer
22:23	BingoBoingo	1+1=99
22:23	pete_dushenski	i guess i'm more of a gambling man
22:24	pete_dushenski	or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake
22:28	mike_c	;;seen mod6
22:28	gribble	mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mod6> maybe i can whip something out
22:28	ben_vulpes	OH GOOD EVENING
22:29	*	ben_vulpes sees "glue with broken glass" in scrollback
22:29	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.
22:29	pete_dushenski	you betting on black BingoBoingo ?
22:29	BingoBoingo	Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.
22:29	BingoBoingo	I am betting on not Serena.
22:30	mod6	im workin on it
22:30	ben_vulpes	<asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
22:30	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40700 @ 0.00043255 = 17.6048 BTC [+] {2}
22:30	ben_vulpes	although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
22:30	mike_c	hey mod6, were you able to get libdb4.8 with apt-get?
22:30	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.
22:31	ben_vulpes	mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
22:31	mike_c	or did you have to download it directly
22:31	ben_vulpes	this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target
22:31	ben_vulpes	then..."ghost".
22:31	mike_c	well, i just installed deb 6
22:31	ben_vulpes	how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
22:31	mike_c	i'll deal with that tomorrow. one problem at a time :)
22:32	ben_vulpes	i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
22:32	BingoBoingo	<ben_vulpes> this is why i pushed for deb 6 as our build target << I though a lesson of Pogo is cheap was any sane *nix is target
22:32	ben_vulpes	oh all *nixen are the same nao?
22:33	*	ben_vulpes doesn't know anything about anything
22:33	ben_vulpes	or perhaps message is that deb is not sane nix
22:33	ben_vulpes	an argument i've no basis to contest
22:33	mike_c	i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.
22:34	ben_vulpes	gtfo ghost is less than a week old
22:34	BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.
22:34	ben_vulpes	<nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
22:35	nubbins`	;D
22:35	ben_vulpes	i must confess to not having worked through ascii's hateful tar yet
22:35	*	ben_vulpes cracks the archive
22:39	ben_vulpes	!up happyfr0gg
22:40	asciilifeform	had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to.
22:40	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Ah it is some American girl named Keys my money is on.
22:40	asciilifeform	debian << it's distro-agnostic, incidentally
22:40	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Just beat the other Williams sister too.
22:41	asciilifeform	(buildatron, that is)
22:41	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus15/story/_/id/12239844/2015-australian-open-women-quarterfinals
22:41	assbot	2015 Australian Open -- Women's quarterfinals - ESPN ... ( http://bit.ly/1v7fXHK )
22:41	asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments
22:42	ben_vulpes	indeed. i'm enjoying reading your work.
22:42	asciilifeform	lol, it's a sh script
22:42	asciilifeform	not much there.
22:42	asciilifeform	but works.
22:42	ben_vulpes	okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao
22:42	asciilifeform	when used as prescribed (tm)
22:47	pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: odds?
22:48	BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I got in at about 5.5 time my stake this afternoon.
22:48	*	BingoBoingo doesn't want to endorse any shady non-BitBet book in chan
22:49	pete_dushenski	that's a healthy slope
22:50	pete_dushenski	heck, i'd offer 5:1 for 0.1 btc
22:50	BingoBoingo	Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller
22:50	pete_dushenski	^anyone may take
22:50	*	BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands
22:54	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo help the guy get in the wot, why not.
22:56	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.
22:57	mircea_popescu	<ben_vulpes> okay! i'm off for a few - going to hack on deedbot with trinque nao < ?! lol
22:57	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo works
22:59	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.
23:00	mircea_popescu	sure.
23:00	mike_c	would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html
23:00	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1wCCWnX )
23:01	mircea_popescu	"The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."
23:01	mircea_popescu	ha-HA! it will, because we happened.
23:01	mircea_popescu	except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,
23:01	mircea_popescu	it will be both, before pornmonging physchopats etc.
23:01	asciilifeform	gotta ask,
23:01	asciilifeform	what is a 'croc' ?
23:01	mircea_popescu	bad plastic shoes
23:01	asciilifeform	crock of shit ?
23:01	asciilifeform	lol
23:02	mircea_popescu	if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.
23:02	asciilifeform	aha.
23:02	pete_dushenski	"comfiest shoes ever"
23:02	pete_dushenski	also "ugliest"
23:02	mircea_popescu	(it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"
23:02	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79550 @ 0.000434 = 34.5247 BTC [+] {3}
23:02	asciilifeform	'history rhymes'
23:03	lobbes	mircea_popescu: thanks for exposing me to tlp. I especially enjoyed 'hipsters on foodstamps'
23:03	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> what is a 'croc' ? << Plastic clog footwear sold in mall walkways. Watchstand I worked at has a croc dealer as a neighbor. Things seem practical as an alternative shoe for some kinds of boating and little else.
23:03	mircea_popescu	lobbes i dun recall who invented him here. mebbe bb ?
23:04	BingoBoingo	I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal
23:04	BingoBoingo	Look at the bug wandering into future amber https://twitter.com/aarontimms/status/560460331097792512
23:04	assbot	This critique of /yanisvaroufakis is way less convincing than Varoufakis's critique of bitcoin. http://t.co/HFangftMNf
23:05	BingoBoingo	!up toddf
23:06	mircea_popescu	yeah well, apple pie is probably a lot more convincing than working out.
23:06	mircea_popescu	"convincing" is not a criterion.
23:06	asciilifeform	re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node
23:06	asciilifeform	hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way
23:07	mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."
23:07	mircea_popescu	derp.
23:07	asciilifeform	nor does is fetching mechanism steered
23:07	mircea_popescu	when your enemy says this ain't convincing you just scored.
23:07	asciilifeform	and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan'
23:07	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1
23:08	asciilifeform	i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly
23:08	BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/01/28/millennials_living_with_parents_we_just_can_t_leave_the_nest_apparently.html
23:08	assbot	Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCDYAl )
23:08	mircea_popescu	"we're just seeking a power structure"
23:08	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: actually!
23:09	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
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23:09	asciilifeform	that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans.
23:10	asciilifeform	four bois/gurlz to a flat, room each, one shitter, one kitchenette, tv pit.
23:10	mircea_popescu	clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.
23:11	mircea_popescu	such victory of socialism.
23:11	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.
23:12	asciilifeform	the variant described above is the 'luxury' btw.
23:12	BingoBoingo	Of course
23:12	asciilifeform	for those with slightly less-loaded parents, same arrangement informally, with higher density
23:12	asciilifeform	and more vermin
23:12	punkman	^ super common around here
23:12	asciilifeform	in converted victorian houses
23:13	asciilifeform	i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
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23:13	mircea_popescu	clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum.
23:13	asciilifeform	(ended up with a normal one)
23:13	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.
23:13	mike_c	mod6: you interested in feedback on this script?
23:13	mircea_popescu	let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco
23:14	asciilifeform	it was a mindfuck. went to see this one place, it had... 8 bois/gurlz
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23:14	mircea_popescu	you know, the "silicon valley"
23:14	asciilifeform	owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place'
23:14	asciilifeform	they 'which room'
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23:14	mircea_popescu	lol
23:14	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: In this region that flavor is still mostly confined to close proximity to universities.
23:14	asciilifeform	me: 'what room'
23:14	punkman	hah
23:14	asciilifeform	it had the oddest heater i've ever seen
23:14	asciilifeform	something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar
23:14	asciilifeform	blowing through a grate in floors one and two
23:15	asciilifeform	vertically.
23:15	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.
23:15	asciilifeform	you stand on the grate and peer in the fiery abyss.
23:15	asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them
23:15	mircea_popescu	jus' sayin'.
23:15	asciilifeform	they'd be out on their arses
23:15	BingoBoingo	<asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"
23:15	mircea_popescu	and yet these are the derps going on about "intrinsic worth" on reddit.
23:15	asciilifeform	but i didn't take that building, owner refused to carry out construction work i wanted.
23:16	mircea_popescu	it'd better be *intrinsic* knamean ?
23:17	asciilifeform	lol!
23:17	asciilifeform	it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat
23:17	mircea_popescu	one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting
23:17	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads
23:17	asciilifeform	and with tv each, some books (all school-related, counted), titanic piles of clothing forming a kind of underbrush in each
23:17	mircea_popescu	then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up
23:18	asciilifeform	aha.
23:18	asciilifeform	most zoologically educational experience i had in years.
23:18	BingoBoingo	<mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury
23:21	BingoBoingo	Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.
23:21	mike_c	well look at that. http://i.imgur.com/B9Kq467.png thanks foundation!
23:21	assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1v7mces )
23:21	mike_c	relatively painless.
23:22	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79300 @ 0.00043257 = 34.3028 BTC [-]
23:23	asciilifeform	'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol!
23:24	asciilifeform	~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!'
23:29	mod6	it's coming....
23:29	asciilifeform	well, it half-works.
23:29	asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802309
23:29	assbot	Logged on 20-08-2014 06:37:37; asciilifeform: soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.'
23:31	asciilifeform	from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;
23:32	asciilifeform	and realists, who are building kommunalki.
23:33	asciilifeform	the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter.
23:33	asciilifeform	and tighter.
23:33	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00042991 = 19.7329 BTC [-] {2}
23:34	mircea_popescu	wd mike_c :D
23:34	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ^ someone did it eh
23:34	mike_c	only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
23:34	asciilifeform	mike_c: what that mod6's script, or mine ?
23:34	mike_c	mod6
23:34	asciilifeform	aha
23:36	mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.
23:36	asciilifeform	aha, how else.
23:36	mircea_popescu	like that, it works. but god help him if he did something like "tight housing for poor folks like you"
23:36	mircea_popescu	burned at stake.
23:37	mircea_popescu	!up testsasdfqwer
23:37	asciilifeform	no one paints 'gasenwagen' on the van. they paint 'kaiser kaffee'.
23:37	pete_dushenski	mike_c: what tweaks did it take to get it going on deb6?
23:37	mike_c	had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
23:38	mike_c	a few of the gpg lines had an extraneous dash in them that was causing error
23:39	mike_c	and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
23:39	mike_c	but all in all, worked like a champ.
23:39	pete_dushenski	sweet. wd
23:39	mircea_popescu	mike_c what is this running on ? pc ?
23:40	mike_c	yup
23:40	mircea_popescu	cool.
23:40	mike_c	i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
23:40	mircea_popescu	ayup.
23:40	mircea_popescu	foundation definitely going the right path.
23:41	asciilifeform	as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99%
23:41	asciilifeform	of the time.
23:41	decimation	re: walnut creek < I remember. I also remember when you could get shareware by mailorder catalog - on floppies
23:41	mircea_popescu	pre gates.
23:42	asciilifeform	autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with!
23:43	mod6	mike_c: \o/ neat pic :)
23:43	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69200 @ 0.00042441 = 29.3692 BTC [-] {2}
23:43	asciilifeform	decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that ftp.cdrom.com vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there.
23:44	asciilifeform	the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit)
23:44	asciilifeform	the bright things - vanished
23:44	mircea_popescu	https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink.
23:44	assbot	Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
23:45	asciilifeform	who remembers the finnish ftp search engine?
23:45	decimation	ibiblio is still around
23:45	asciilifeform	nothing like it was built again
23:45	asciilifeform	(i'd love to know why)
23:45	*	decimation got internet in 1994, only had bbs before that
23:46	*	decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis
23:48	BingoBoingo	!up Rozal
23:49	lobbes	decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands
23:50	decimation	lobbes: indeed. born consumers
23:50	BingoBoingo	<lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform
23:50	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: wat ?
23:51	decimation	re: autoconf << horrible. whoever thought it was a good idea to write 'magic autoconfigure' in 'm4' ought to be negrated
23:51	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long
23:52	asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: just about everyone knows an 'arts type' with his photoshit
23:52	decimation	video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX
23:52	mike_c	lol. the "other" foundation also had a 0.5.3.1 release
23:52	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Right.
23:52	asciilifeform	decimation: typesetting - not sequencing
23:53	asciilifeform	(a sequencer typically has provisions for playback, and entry from external device)
23:53	BingoBoingo	^ Yes
23:53	asciilifeform	as well as moving, well, sequences, around.
23:53	*	decimation believes that a dedicated machine ought to handle both of those functions
23:53	*	decimation remembers editing video on 'video toaster'
23:54	BingoBoingo	For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.
23:55	Rozal	Thank you BingoBoingo
23:56	decimation	just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web
23:56	BingoBoingo	Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever
23:56	Rozal	No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days
23:57	asciilifeform	decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'
23:57	asciilifeform	aside from the twirly-knobs
23:57	mike_c	asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2353#issuecomment-14806541
23:57	assbot	bitcoin-qt out-of-virtual-address-space problem · Issue #2353 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByXToV )
23:57	mike_c	"Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
23:58	asciilifeform	why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ?
23:58	asciilifeform	who conceived of this, and on what drug
23:58	assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00043859 = 14.8243 BTC [+] {2}
23:59	BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tz3xr/new_coinbase_bitcoin_exchange_is_the_best_one_yet/co4bd1x
23:59	assbot	nobodybelievesyou comments on New Coinbase Bitcoin Exchange Is the Best One Yet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByY03W )
23:59	BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: SPEED!!!
23:59	asciilifeform	more like retardation
23:59	asciilifeform	(what kind of dope is a direct opposite of 'speed' ?)

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