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00:02 mircea_popescu "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T
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00:02 mircea_popescu he Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."
00:02 mircea_popescu there we go.
00:02 asciilifeform yes, that one.
00:02 mircea_popescu you know he deleted the original ?
00:02 asciilifeform wait srsly ?
00:03 * asciilifeform read it years ago
00:03 mircea_popescu afaik http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tlp.html only surviving copy.
00:03 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income ... ( http://bit.ly/15FzqTx )
00:03 TheNewDeal bingo are you saying middle west because of the woman's size, or the foliage?
00:03 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i agreed because of the item collection.
00:04 trinque could be louisiana... could be florida...
00:04 trinque it's not as though they confine those things to a single state
00:04 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: foilage, trashiness of the dudes, vehicles, and woman's size.
00:05 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he ever say, why deleted ?
00:05 mircea_popescu some unspecified drama, but now.
00:05 mircea_popescu no*
00:06 mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/36d94cf3f168d88c055c81ec4a049b7b/tumblr_mnq8fhzIZ41s9ip0zo1_500.jpg << where is this one then ?
00:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXiT9q )
00:07 TheNewDeal this article is golden
00:07 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not sure, but seems more civilized.
00:07 BingoBoingo Important things clearly labeled there
00:08 decimation m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do
00:08 mats http://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/08-6324 << a brief amusement. someone with the surname Merica gave their son a middle name beginning with A.
00:08 assbot US v. Rickey Merica :: Justia Dockets & Filings ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXj8By )
00:09 mircea_popescu TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
00:09 mircea_popescu decimation on one hand yes they did, on the other hand they fucked it all up.
00:10 TheNewDeal Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?
00:10 mats i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable
00:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mr mold started with a very different kind of 'state agenda' (poorly articulated desire to... resurrect the stuart kings) and ended with... andreesen horowitz
00:10 mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_3.html << also pretty good.
00:10 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About The Debt Ceiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjnwc )
00:10 mircea_popescu no, he's a clinician afaik
00:10 TheNewDeal I remember someone giving a blog before that was almost always on psychiatric issues
00:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the stuarts of all people ?!
00:11 TheNewDeal I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them
00:11 asciilifeform afaik it was an example. he wanted to somehow bring the pre-ww1 dynasties back.
00:11 asciilifeform cargo cult.
00:11 asciilifeform but at least started with vaguely correct cargo.
00:12 TheNewDeal BingoBoingo do you have any clue what blog I'm talking about? You may have referenced him before
00:13 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Not at the moment. Maybe you can be more specific.
00:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fact is, mr mold was not always a whore; iirc, he did run out of money, and descended into whoring from lack of a plan
00:14 TheNewDeal The guy had some of the most advanced discussions on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics that i'd seen before on a blog
00:14 asciilifeform quite likely somebody conveniently 'happened' to be near, to ease him onto the cock
00:14 BingoBoingo Cake http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--_yIi1q34--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18unn3fork504jpg.jpg
00:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjUhO )
00:14 mircea_popescu well i only paid attention for a shoirt time and late on
00:15 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 90+% of the 'good' mold is from '07-'10
00:15 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: this post look familiar? http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html
00:15 assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXk34Z )
00:15 BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: With the rum fountain?
00:16 asciilifeform mr mold's audience is not mircea_popescu but rather an intelligent student from somewhere in usa with some curiosity about 20th century but no knowledge of euro languages and only a faint idea of civilization
00:16 mircea_popescu i am deeply suspicious of segmented audiences.
00:17 decimation because it's quite possible to graduate from high school in the us without actually learning anything about civilization or languages
00:17 asciilifeform inevitably, this is an unappetizing product if you aren't the target. like a chinese motorcycle, belching black devil smoke as it goes at 20k/hr
00:17 asciilifeform if your last car was an ox - great.
00:17 mircea_popescu "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
00:17 mircea_popescu paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs."
00:17 mircea_popescu win.
00:18 TheNewDeal hmm it's not looking entirely familiar but I'm going to have to page through it.
00:18 asciilifeform steve dutch had an almost identical explanation of same
00:18 asciilifeform it's reasonably common knowledge in usa
00:18 mircea_popescu reading that whole site's never been a bad use of anyone's time
00:18 asciilifeform (the basic mechanics)
00:18 mircea_popescu cheaper than trilema, too
00:18 * asciilifeform read
00:18 decimation I remember when moldbug put up his first 'begging' post - it was obvious the gig was up
00:19 * asciilifeform got into reading tlp when was on the wild ragged outskirts of pharma racket
00:19 asciilifeform (usg lab)
00:20 asciilifeform decimation: he said what i believe was the truth in that post - ran out of money, given as his winnings from 'dotcom' idiocy were not enough to live an entire life as a cultured man, but only about a decade
00:20 asciilifeform 'even with plenty of fairly successful precious metal speculation' were, iirc, his words
00:21 asciilifeform i'm not in a position to say what he ought to have done instead of, well, what he did.
00:22 mircea_popescu most of the women i pick up manage to live their lives and pay their rents without any dotcom gifts or "speculation".
00:22 asciilifeform they aren't trying to live as cultured man.
00:22 mircea_popescu whatever that means.
00:22 asciilifeform mr mold's example was, if i recall, his '300/mo. book bill'
00:23 mircea_popescu this entire discussion is about 50k worth of wood pulp ?!
00:24 asciilifeform ask him how he blew his load
00:24 asciilifeform i have only a faint clue
00:24 asciilifeform for example, we know that he decided to have not one but even two childre
00:24 asciilifeform n
00:24 asciilifeform while 'running out of money'
00:24 decimation well, buying real estate near san francisco was probably his first mistake
00:24 mircea_popescu i thought we were discussing an abstract model of "the cultured man"
00:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i doubt the man decided anything in there.
00:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he presumably picked wife, rather than being issued one
00:25 asciilifeform as in the army joke
00:25 mircea_popescu odds are, woman decided to have children, his choice was whether to pay a lawyer AND the woman orjust the woman.
00:25 mircea_popescu i know very few us men that pick wife.
00:25 asciilifeform 'sapper errs twice, once when choosing profession'
00:25 TheNewDeal BingoBoingo this definitely is one of the article I was reading > I remember seeing the receptors lined up as a fountain
00:26 mircea_popescu generally, the sort of overgrown boy that doesn't shoot his own horse is in no position to pick anything. woman picks like at the fair.
00:26 BingoBoingo The Rum fountain. No author appears to be a forensic pyschiatrist as he self describes.
00:26 asciilifeform back to 'cultured man' - i'd say that living 'life of the mind' in usa is not cheap. regardless of what kind of hero you might be. a dwelling without random bozos sharing it, for instance, is $xxxx/mo.
00:27 asciilifeform anywhere, afaik, in usa, but the wildest wolf forest or the meanest urban ash heap
00:27 mircea_popescu by the way : is the vc circus of the belief that the well proven, on the courthouse record, role of one of the "big four" accounting companies in asset inflation and bubble pumping has been forgotten ?
00:27 mircea_popescu rethorical question, not for they present, but for the absent if avid readers.
00:28 asciilifeform arthur anderson ?
00:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform in ohio ? $300.
00:28 asciilifeform ohio - wolf
00:28 decimation lol even in ohio a place near civilization is around $1000
00:28 mircea_popescu ;;google Arthur Anderson enron accounting scandal
00:28 gribble Arthur Andersen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Andersen>; Enron scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal>; Arthur Anderson Auditors and Enron: What happened to their Texas ...: <http://www.aabri.com/manuscripts/11899.pdf>
00:28 mircea_popescu decimation civilisation comes out of a utp cable.
00:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: everybody remembers arthur anderson
00:28 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if only!
00:29 decimation utp - cannot eat
00:29 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm paying 'book bill' that isn't that much lower than mr mold
00:29 asciilifeform library subscription, even (they are as we speak sc4mz0r1ing nickel&dime by pretending a certain volume was not returned. mega-lol)
00:29 asciilifeform not everything is on the net. this is a fact.
00:30 decimation asciilifeform: you can go down to the library of congress physically
00:30 asciilifeform in certain professions one does not have the luxury of arbitrarily proclaiming 'if not on the net, doesn't exist'
00:30 asciilifeform decimation: time is money
00:31 asciilifeform sitting in loc with spy camera - laborious.
00:31 BingoBoingo LoC does not lend
00:31 asciilifeform aha.
00:31 asciilifeform see above.
00:31 decimation heh do they even allow cameras? or do you have to be sneaky?
00:31 asciilifeform officially, most academic libraries in usa forbid private cameras.
00:32 asciilifeform i've never heard of anyone being thrown out for having one as of yet.
00:32 mircea_popescu asciilifeform cultured right ?
00:32 asciilifeform esp. in the age of the Pnohe
00:32 * asciilifeform tries for cultured
00:32 mircea_popescu well look. this is like playing patanque in a boat.
00:33 mircea_popescu so, if "cultured man" is some sort of scholarly gentleman, then one needs some rather commonly available books.
00:33 asciilifeform neh i ought to have been more specific.
00:33 asciilifeform what i meant was, someone whose primary avocation is thinking. and yes, it is possible to do this in a forest, in log cabin, like unabomber.
00:33 asciilifeform but not typical.
00:35 BingoBoingo http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/01/27/0125221/davos-2015-less-innovation-more-regulation-more-unrest-run-away
00:35 assbot Davos 2015: Less Innovation, More Regulation, More Unrest. Run Away! - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXmpkj )
00:35 asciilifeform at any rate, it isn't about the bookz.
00:36 asciilifeform price other, more mundane things, in usa. like 'have 100+ m^2 dwelling to yourself, with climate control, one that isn't falling apart'
00:36 asciilifeform 'eat non-recycled food'
00:36 asciilifeform 'sleep ad libitum'
00:36 * asciilifeform can't even afford ^ yet
00:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00053193 = 7.713 BTC [+] {2}
00:37 asciilifeform 'sleep ad libitum' costs ~100kusd+ of specifically -non-wage- income, for example.
00:42 decimation asciilifeform: for 'passive investments' available to the public, that implies a net worth of > $3 mil
00:42 asciilifeform at least.
00:42 asciilifeform add a zero if you want complete isolation from economic reality
00:42 asciilifeform add two zeros if going for total isolation including expatriation on a day's notice
00:42 decimation of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes
00:43 mats BingoBoingo: at a later date, i'd like some assistance with reviewing and rating materials from the courts-circus project. would you be interested?
00:43 asciilifeform goes without saying when said 'income'
00:43 asciilifeform chump money that you 'have' somewhere - is not income.
00:44 BingoBoingo mats: Maybe. Still experiencing brainrot for IRL reddit this weekend so am hesitant to make commitments atm.
00:45 asciilifeform http://www.irky.org/home/pogoplug_jtag << jtag pinouts for 'pogo'. he has a v2 (not 4) but pinout is same.
00:45 assbot pogoplug_jtag - Irky ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXnHM8 )
00:46 decimation asciilifeform: does it have a header already installed (v4)?
00:46 BingoBoingo mats: I'll probably be amenable to assisting though.
00:46 asciilifeform decimation: nope.
00:46 asciilifeform decimation: it isn't standard (2.54mm) pitch, either.
00:47 asciilifeform just solder on naked wires with pinsockets on other end and be done with it.
00:47 * asciilifeform did
00:47 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> but not typical. << so much bs. looky here : henry miller did just fine, bumming bowls of soup.
00:47 asciilifeform yes, diogenes did fine in barrel.
00:47 asciilifeform to demand that every thinker be diogenes ?!
00:48 mircea_popescu because back then the average american understood himself as a peniless tramp, that's fortunate to even be allowed in europe at all.
00:48 mircea_popescu seems a lot more productive. the exiled russian thinkers did pretty good in ny. a lot better, at any rate, than the nysu "professors"
00:48 asciilifeform heaviside, for instance, couldn't really think without standing next to a monstrous roaring gas flame (he actually had to smash a pipe)
00:48 mircea_popescu aha.
00:48 asciilifeform ask him to go in barrel, sure.
00:49 asciilifeform ask j.c.maxwell to give up his horse and hunting ground.
00:49 mats BingoBoingo: ok.
00:49 asciilifeform still equations? maybe yes. maybe no.
00:49 ben_vulpes https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
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00:49 assbot mame/quine-relay · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXoht9 )
00:49 asciilifeform ask lord kelvin to work for a living, while at it.
00:50 mircea_popescu so the problem here is thjat some peniless tramp gave himself a lordship that he then couldn't finance ?
00:50 mircea_popescu seems rather the opposite of either cultured or man.
00:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think of it this way. space probe has radiotherm battery.
00:50 asciilifeform it's good for ~30 years. after that - brick.
00:50 asciilifeform 'it gave itself a lordship it couldn't finance' ?
00:51 mircea_popescu quite.
00:52 asciilifeform if i could live like, e.g., taleb, for 20 years, with the understanding of being impaled after - i would. i don't particularly need being fifty for anything.
00:52 mircea_popescu mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info << you are thinking money as in, someone earned / saved these. that's not what's happening there : they're spending money that was simply created by yellen / conjured up by accounting fraud / etc.
00:52 mircea_popescu these two are incomparable.
00:52 mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is where we differ. i would live like no man, and i would impale anyone trying.
00:52 decimation ben_vulpes: lol
00:52 asciilifeform 'like taleb' ~~= 'sleep ad libitum'
00:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00053193 = 4.9469 BTC [+]
00:53 asciilifeform used him as example because folks here all (?) read him and mr t expounds at great length re: 'what it means to really live'
00:54 mircea_popescu yeah but the problem is still exposed : to live like one pleases specifically can not carry a rider of time limited.
00:54 mircea_popescu it breaks the entire construction.
00:55 asciilifeform we all get time-limited, lol
00:55 asciilifeform just not as neatly.
00:55 asciilifeform who did first rate maths after 50? erdos? can't think of more than one or two names
00:55 mircea_popescu http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2015/jan/23/nervous-super-rich-planning-escapes-davos-2015 << not so bad.
00:55 assbot As inequality soars, the nervous super rich are already planning their escapes | Public Leaders Network | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXp5OL )
00:56 decimation oil is a terrible store of value - it halved in only a few weeks! it's a good idea though, I'm going to wait for the next generation of chemical energy movement & storage
00:56 asciilifeform 'buying airstrips and farms in remote areas' - what, farming with their own hands!? lol
00:56 decimation re: lifetime < 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
00:56 decimation Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
00:57 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the whole piece is a neat summary of just how idiotic the demo is.
00:57 mircea_popescu really, look, rich people are affraid of reddit!111
00:57 mircea_popescu occupy mattered!!11
00:57 decimation except the rich jew who owns it?
00:57 mircea_popescu shut up and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
00:58 asciilifeform article << mega-snore
00:58 asciilifeform 3qu4l1ty!
00:58 mircea_popescu no it's informatively stupid.
00:58 decimation well, there was a time for getting out of Paris
00:58 mircea_popescu like a discussion among 12 yo boys about what makes women sluts.
00:59 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my understanding is that most folks in usa get mental picture of 'what the rich do' from film
01:01 asciilifeform just like to them 'economics is what happens at the grocery counter' (from mircea_popescu article ?)
01:01 decimation asciilifeform: do you think that 'actual rich' don't get ideas from film too?
01:02 asciilifeform 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well
01:03 decimation http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21351638/billionaire-bill-koch-colorado-town-private
01:03 assbot Billionaire Bill Koch's new Colorado town is a private Old West marvel - The Denver Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXq7Ky )
01:04 asciilifeform anything i, for instance, might say about the genuinely rich (folks entirely and permanently insulated from economic reality, who can finance wars, etc.) is likely to be laughably wrong - what i know of them is largely like what i know of the wonderful fish that live kilometres below in the sea - that is, stemming largely from inference using physical fact and thirdhand clues
01:07 asciilifeform decimation: what is he supposed to do? he already bought 'sleep ad libitum'
01:07 decimation heh yeah might as well buy personal town for his toys
01:08 decimation actually compared to 'rich men' of the past, folks with mere $ billions are rather poor
01:08 asciilifeform perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with
01:08 asciilifeform living by period rules
01:09 decimation j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907
01:09 asciilifeform decimation: aha. quite a few of them, for instance, probably have difficulty even buying sex safely
01:10 asciilifeform 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price'
01:10 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979012 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2015#979013
01:10 assbot Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:19; mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
01:10 assbot Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
01:10 asciilifeform the say 'richest king could not buy a plasma tv'
01:11 asciilifeform to which i answer, today's richest king cannot buy quite a few things that common beggar had a century ago.
01:11 asciilifeform like a functioning culture
01:11 asciilifeform or rather, gemeinschaft
01:11 decimation right. w.r.t. stuff, we are 'rich', but w.r.t. people, we are all poor
01:11 asciilifeform (more specifically)
01:15 decimation even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?
01:15 asciilifeform the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed.
01:15 TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal
01:16 asciilifeform i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias
01:17 asciilifeform possibly it'll be his driver, who will cut off his head and display it on a pike to a cheering crowd, and not him
01:17 decimation I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty
01:17 asciilifeform not automatically, no
01:18 decimation 'rich in oil' maybe
01:18 asciilifeform rich in difficult-throats-cut-on-demand.
01:18 asciilifeform everything else - from it.
01:20 * asciilifeform rather than crapping out further conjecture re: deep ocean fish - goes to bed.
01:20 decimation aye, m. danton-style. the trouble is, there's always herr guillotine waiting for yezhov
01:20 decimation good night sir
01:20 decimation !down decimation
01:33 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well << what, and i suppose the island of beautiful women doens't exist, either ?!
01:35 mircea_popescu decimation> j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907 << nah, it was more like teh mp effect.
01:35 mircea_popescu generaly confidence crises can be unwound by a party universally trusted that's techniocally competent
01:35 mircea_popescu that's kinda how the notion of the central banker was born. it does make economic / financial sense.
01:36 mircea_popescu however, not in the current bastardization
01:36 mircea_popescu (the college professor also makes intellectual sense, but the current day implementation has nothing to do with the thing that makes sense - "why is he a professor ? " "because all these people know him, respect him and wish to be his studends" vs "why are you his student ?" "because hes the professor"
01:37 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.
01:37 mircea_popescu or, in most cases, a competent cunt.
01:38 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.
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02:30 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 171 @ 0.1000528 = 17.109 BTC [-] {19}
02:44 mircea_popescu !up Newar
02:44 punkman http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_CUBA_SECRET_NETWORK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
02:44 assbot News from The Associated Press ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2dgmg )
02:45 punkman "blocked from the network by their peers for as a little as a day for minor infractions such as slowing down SNet with file-sharing outside prescribed hours, with lifetime bans for violations like distributing pornography."
02:45 punkman no porn lol
02:49 mircea_popescu "We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."
02:49 mircea_popescu heh.
02:53 mircea_popescu speaking of the derps behind the derpage : "Sara Miller McCune was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Manhattan. She was international president of B'nai B'rith Girls at the age of 19, and has spoken of the importance of tzedakah."
02:53 mircea_popescu check out what's notable on wikipedia :D
02:54 mircea_popescu anyway, if you want to hang someone for the horrible state of publishing and/or us business culture these days, she's as good as anyone.
02:54 fluffypony have we discussed the Croatian president yet?
02:54 fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/M18fd7W.jpg
02:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyvc7 )
02:55 fluffypony Greece could learn from that
02:55 mircea_popescu sort-of an social sciences o'reilly.
02:55 mircea_popescu o wow srsly ?
02:55 fluffypony yarp
02:55 punkman http://www.zarpa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/palto-photo-mesa.jpg
02:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18nyJzW )
02:55 mircea_popescu uh. Ivo Josipović
02:55 mircea_popescu whay u scam me!
02:56 fluffypony Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic
02:56 mircea_popescu o wow, right you are. yeap
02:56 fluffypony beat Ivo
02:56 mircea_popescu next month
02:56 mircea_popescu ;;google Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović nude
02:57 gribble Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda? — RTL ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/vijesti/novosti/predsjednicki-izbori/1466805/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Video: Borba za Sinčićeve birače: Što nude Josipović i Kolinda ...: <http://www.rtl.hr/video/vijesti/60838/borba-za-sinciceve-birace-sto-nude-josipovic-i-kolinda/>; Što Ivo (1 more message)
02:57 fluffypony lol
02:58 mircea_popescu and on that note... i'm off.
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03:13 punkman http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ibm-says-several-thousand-layoffs-on-the-way-1.2931612
03:13 assbot IBM says 'several thousand' layoffs on the way - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/18nC7uJ )
03:13 punkman aaaand it's gone!
03:16 mats itsa winter wonderland!
03:16 mats i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised!
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03:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20135 @ 0.00051884 = 10.4468 BTC [-]
03:37 punkman http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/01/jihadi-entrepreneurs-and-the-ipo-of-the-century.html
03:37 assbot Jihadi Entrepreneurs and the IPO of the Century - Global Guerrillas ... ( http://bit.ly/1y2lnzh )
03:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00049208 = 12.9663 BTC [-]
03:48 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.87303349 BTC. Current weight: 84,349.
03:54 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00112695 = 1.127 BTC [+] {2}
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04:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 9900 @ 0.00112866 = 11.1737 BTC [+] {18}
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05:20 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3229 @ 0.00108028 = 3.4882 BTC [-] {11}
05:20 jurov asciilifeform: it's http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/ , the "ml." was my mistake
05:20 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29g8y )
05:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49950 @ 0.00048103 = 24.0274 BTC [-] {4}
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06:15 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2015#993816 <<< such meta, very lol
06:15 assbot Logged on 27-01-2015 05:49:47; ben_vulpes: https://github.com/mame/quine-relay
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06:49 Naphex http://vimeo.com/116605178 Delve essays just keep getting better
06:49 assbot Bananas, Sardines and Sharks on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcSWCb )
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08:07 mircea_popescu mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.
08:13 mircea_popescu !up p15_
08:16 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 978 @ 0.00108 = 1.0562 BTC [-] {4}
08:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50643 @ 0.00048268 = 24.4444 BTC [+]
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08:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37450 @ 0.00048533 = 18.1756 BTC [+]
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09:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00048146 = 20.3658 BTC [-] {2}
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10:13 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6971 @ 0.001118 = 7.7936 BTC [+]
10:24 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed. << Plenty of cats to eat the mice and rats.
10:37 davout https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2015-0235
10:37 assbot Bug 1183461 – CVE-2015-0235 glibc: __nss_hostname_digits_dots() heap-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1z6fvHR )
10:37 davout dat CVE
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10:55 mircea_popescu davout wow.
10:56 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4846 @ 0.00111799 = 5.4178 BTC [-] {3}
10:56 mircea_popescu !up mapop
10:59 mircea_popescu veronique Loquet - AL'X Communication vloquet at alx-communication.com << she found it.
11:00 mircea_popescu nah scratch that, she's just pr.
11:14 mircea_popescu https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235 << eglibc too lol.
11:14 assbot CVE-2015-0235 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bk2qci )
11:18 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/rumor-centurylink-may-buy-cointerra/
11:18 assbot Rumor: CenturyLink May Buy CoinTerra | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLhDFZ )
11:18 TomServo Ha, wouldn't that be something.
11:19 mircea_popescu ;;isup sourceware.org
11:19 gribble sourceware.org is down
11:31 asciilifeform https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5dd6189d506068ed11c8bfa1e1e9bffde04decd;hp=fef94eab0bd308d5059a2588c753bf9a4926845d << works
11:31 assbot sourceware.org Git - glibc.git/commitdiff ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLj1sr )
11:34 BingoBoingo !up Alina-malina
11:35 Alina-malina tnx
11:36 Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1107/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.61929562 BTC. Current weight: 66,037.
11:36 BingoBoingo mats: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/bowe_bergdahl_desertion_charges_idaho_pow_freed_in_2014_is_accused.html
11:36 assbot Bowe Bergdahl desertion charges: Idaho POW freed in 2014 is accused (update: Army denies). ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLjBpU )
11:48 BingoBoingo !up diatonic
11:50 asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d/src/net.cpp#L268
11:50 assbot bitcoin/net.cpp at d05c03ab4ed23389b1326f9b7c77a8d7b8d6588d · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLla7k )
11:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47414 @ 0.00047389 = 22.469 BTC [-] {2}
12:00 thestringpuller asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=gethostbyname
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12:58 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00005999 = 1.7997 BTC [+] {2}
13:01 asciilifeform http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/01/27/9
13:01 assbot oss-security - Qualys Security Advisory CVE-2015-0235 - GHOST: glibc gethostbyname buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1zr7C2Y )
13:01 asciilifeform ^ detailed autopsy
13:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6976 @ 0.00046978 = 3.2772 BTC [-]
13:11 mats http://www.ibtimes.co.in/valve-economist-yanis-varoufakis-appointed-finance-minister-greece-621689
13:11 assbot Valve Economist Yanis Varoufakis Appointed Finance Minister of Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrcfKD )
13:14 mats guy talks here http://youtu.be/iVxaTC7Qp44
13:14 assbot The Global Minotaur: The Crash of 2008 and the Euro-Zone Crisis in Historical Perspective - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdcCC )
13:15 BingoBoingo His dribbling bullshit http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/
13:15 assbot Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zrdKrX )
13:20 mats good find
13:29 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 68000 @ 0.00006999 = 4.7593 BTC [+] {7}
13:43 TomServo In case anyone missed it, diff change: -6.14%.
13:45 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
13:46 gribble Current Blocks: 340726 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52840319672.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.02675
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14:05 asciilifeform https://raw.githubusercontent.com/DestroyFX/nxtoo-portage/master/metadata/news/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5/2014-03-12-profile-eapi-5.en.txt << gentoo shitgnomery
14:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cdnve1 )
14:07 asciilifeform if but all current gentoo devs had but one neck...
14:17 trinque asciilifeform: I'm considering jumping ship to a BSD soon as I feel like it's an informed decision
14:18 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1425 @ 0.0010988 = 1.5658 BTC [-]
14:18 asciilifeform trinque: hope you don't own anything but the most classical hardware.
14:19 asciilifeform trinque: and don't ever run closed-source linux proggys
14:19 trinque former, neh, mountain of complexity lenovo laptop
14:19 trinque later neh, only compiled stuff
14:19 trinque *latter
14:21 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1345 @ 0.00108638 = 1.4612 BTC [-] {12}
14:22 thestringpuller asciilifeform: USGavinCoin is real. http://www.americanbanker.com/bankthink/the-cryptocurrency-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-1072352-1.html Because they couldn't find a way to create bitcoin bars full of lead, they are going to hijack bitcoin and use it to their whim.
14:23 trinque asciilifeform: I've got 150 packages in world; still have no idea how this system works
14:23 trinque dunno what chance I have of feeling that I do on say OpenBSD either..
14:26 trinque why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility
14:27 trinque seems to be related to running anything gtk
14:31 Apocalyptic trinque, quick fix: nuke X-server and all gui-related stuff
14:33 trinque I could get away with nothing-but-emacs in a vt for most of what I do
14:33 trinque should probably just delegate web browsing to another device
14:34 trinque then I'll just start bitching about the hardware complexity next
14:34 * trinque pitches lenovo out window
14:34 trinque actually happened to a dell p4 whatever after it overheated for the last time
14:41 asciilifeform thestringpuller: nothing about this in linked article (appears to be about a proposal, somewhere deep in the bureaucracy, to use an altcoin for internal u.s. cental bank movements)
14:41 punkman yeah I wonder why I can't find a laptop that doesn't overheat
14:41 trinque Unexpected failure when checking for existing inventory during inv message processing: open /mnt/mainnet/blocks_leveldb/902277.ldb: input/output error << 1800 computer
14:42 trinque has serious hardware issues
14:42 thestringpuller asciilifeform: my theory is too difficult/much effort to make their own alt + (shit MP said about altcoins being worthless), so they will just fork bitcoin and try and steal it.
14:42 trinque lenovo is supposed to be sending me a box to ship it back... I'll unmount and re-mount the usb drive and it'll work fine
14:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00046253 = 16.998 BTC [-] {2}
14:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00045845 = 13.2034 BTC [-]
14:47 punkman lol idiot http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-33143
14:47 assbot Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/15KhTcI )
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15:13 danielpbarron https://imgur.com/a/r0mZM
15:13 assbot BWallet - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/15Kr2ly )
15:14 jurov mo6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform was the version debate concluded somehow?
15:16 mod6 for now
15:16 mod6 we're using v0.5.3.1
15:20 thestringpuller v0.5.3.0.0.0.0.1
15:20 thestringpuller lol
15:21 trinque game of versioning snake?
15:21 mod6 i think he's trying to make a v6 addr
15:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00040218 = 6.4751 BTC [-]
15:27 lobbes <mod6> we're using v0.5.3.1 << forgive my ignorance, but this build can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz ?
15:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18qxNer )
15:28 lobbes and then just apply patches, correct?
15:34 thestringpuller ;;google dave chappelle on slutty clothing
15:34 gribble Dave Chappelle - Women Send Confusing Messages To Men ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI>; Dave Chapelle on how women dress. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg>; 1:12 Dave Chappelle Psychology of Men and Women (whore clothing): <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqP4dsvHWf4>
15:45 jurov lobbes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000030.html this i guess
15:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BkT9AG )
15:45 jurov i need to try it myself
15:48 jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too
15:48 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/18qCxAy )
15:51 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1572 @ 0.00107 = 1.682 BTC [-] {4}
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16:06 assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14402 @ 0.00006999 = 1.008 BTC [+] {4}
16:08 asciilifeform https://data.awp.is/data/international/16/morecowbell.pdf << usg version of 'isitup'
16:08 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/18qI2iD )
16:13 jurov http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/regin-malware-unmasked-as-nsa-tool-after-spiegel-publishes-source-code-a-1015255.html#ref=rss 10 years in circulation already, they say
16:13 assbot Regin Malware Unmasked as NSA Tool after SPIEGEL Publishes Source Code - SPIEGEL ONLINE ... ( http://bit.ly/18qJku0 )
16:18 mircea_popescu dude... women in tech, what a scam!
16:19 mircea_popescu so i find that veronique chick as the first source of the ghost vulnerability, im all about to go into a rand as to how see, THIS is the sort of actual women in actual tech
16:19 mircea_popescu except it turns out that she's just doing pr, and wasn't actually involved in the tech
16:20 mircea_popescu except it turns out she actually fucked up the embargo, and the coordinated release became uncoordinated half hour after her stupid foot in her dumber mouth.
16:20 asciilifeform l0l!!
16:20 mircea_popescu i feel vile and like my feelings don't matter.
16:20 mircea_popescu fucking rapist.
16:21 asciilifeform when monkey presses wrong button, who is to blame: monkey, or man, who put monkey in the control loop ?
16:21 mircea_popescu as more an' more cases of idiot women "in tech" blowing things up float to the surface like as many turds, the actual women in actual tech have increasingly more problems they don't actually need.
16:22 mircea_popescu so dear stupid women : the best thing you can do for women in tech is STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.
16:22 mircea_popescu let the smart ones find their own way in, and if there's a grand total of three of them worldwide that'll be fine.
16:22 mircea_popescu just as long as no more veroniques
16:27 mircea_popescu but in other news, i've had actual sysadmins thank me for the tip. made my fucking day. danke davout :D
16:27 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/5c48c28c45c3fa9bdebdfce668b4e930/tumblr_moputmctrN1svo8pno1_1280.jpg << by way of bonus.
16:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzxG4m )
16:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it took about an hour to 'everybody knows'
16:27 mircea_popescu i got inside that hour.
16:30 mircea_popescu assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money <<< title has a point. there is no such thing as "apolitical" money. bitcoin is quite very political.
16:30 asciilifeform http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/279
16:30 assbot oss-sec: Re: GHOST gethostbyname() heap overflow in glibc (CVE-2015-0235) ... ( http://bit.ly/18qONRD )
16:31 asciilifeform jurov: ...regin... << recycled news. from slides from 2 weeks ago; and the material therein does not contain proof of what is contained in the linked article at all...
16:32 asciilifeform jurov: the uuencoded blob contained a fairly unremarkable keylogger (meant as a module within one of the gigantic modular mega-turds usg is fond of.)
16:32 jurov i didn't read all the slides, sry
16:33 mircea_popescu "During a conference call with reporters Monday, Fed staffers were asked why the paper made no mention of Bitcoin. They responded by saying that they plan to monitor developments with digital currency, and that later, as those technologies mature, regulators will possibly have a different strategy."
16:33 mircea_popescu soo... their inept influence agents got murdered by a guy we won't name, and so we won't name the thing they were try9ing to influence either ?
16:34 mircea_popescu yo yellen! at least gavin has the ballsack to carefully come here when i'm not around, you know ?
16:34 mircea_popescu grow a pair.
16:34 mircea_popescu "Without a CEO in charge of the currency or anyone to subpoena, how do you control the bitcoin economy? The law is designed to deal with centralized institutions in which identifiable managers are deemed responsible for an organization's conduct."
16:34 mircea_popescu derp.
16:34 mircea_popescu thje law is designed to go take a hike.
16:35 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> derp. << /me is working on this with regard to the Derpoplis who went from maximizing arcade revenue to becoming "finance minister"
16:36 mircea_popescu cheers.
16:40 danielpbarron https://imgur.com/f4qpBqU
16:40 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyoyC )
16:41 mircea_popescu danielpbarron sounds about right
16:45 mats http://youtu.be/46bIJJX_xzE
16:45 assbot Death Cab for Cutie - "Black Sun" (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyHJJ )
16:48 mats http://aje.io/r4z9
16:48 assbot Philippine rebels blame government for deadly clash - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzyQgk )
16:49 mats i never felt so depressed as when i did 'missionary work' as a young man in Quezon City
16:49 trinque danielpbarron: incredible..
16:50 mats the second checkpoint i hit after leaving Manila, the church van i was in got shaken down by cops for cash
16:50 mircea_popescu o.O
16:53 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 18(Y):82(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.654 BTC. Current weight: 98,475.
16:53 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.35433047 BTC. Current weight: 49,633.
16:54 asciilifeform https://gist.githubusercontent.com/koelling/ef9b2b9d0be6d6dbab63/raw/de1730049198c64eaf8f8ab015a3c8b23b63fd34/gistfile1.c
16:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzzeLI )
16:54 mats two kids i played ball with and taught spanish to died when a few shacks collapsed
16:55 mats people shitting and pissing in chamberpots and what not, emptying the contents into the streets...
16:55 mats hell on earth, and there i was, doing religious tourism.
16:55 asciilifeform !s orcs
16:55 assbot 45 results for 'orcs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orcs
16:56 mats shortly after i came back, i left the faith. if god is real... i would seek him out and kill him.
17:00 Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before March 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1101/ Odds: 8(Y):92(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.30387905 BTC. Current weight: 54,051.
17:01 Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "The Winkdex: BTC $5000 or more in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.673 BTC. Current weight: 95,931.
17:02 trinque mats: hell of a disillusionment tale
17:07 thestringpuller i miss the bye command from ftp
17:09 jurov http://www.returnofkings.com/32053/this-accidental-experiment-shows-the-superiority-of-patriarchy mircea_popescu may like :)
17:09 assbot This Accidental Experiment Shows The Superiority Of Patriarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzAcYm )
17:09 mircea_popescu ima look i na sec translating a great short
17:12 BingoBoingo jurov: imagine the camp Kyriarchy could have built
17:19 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: lets play a game of "would you rather"
17:19 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: would you rather have a dick sized nipple, or a nipple sized dick?
17:20 asciilifeform !s fork in the eye
17:20 assbot 1 results for 'fork in the eye' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork+in+the+eye
17:20 trinque thestringpuller: you can cut off the nipple... can't uncut the dick
17:21 BingoBoingo Given the common internet saying, I'm assuming the dick nipple must also engage in shitting?
17:23 trinque design committee incoming
17:25 BingoBoingo ;;ud shitting dick nipples
17:25 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shitting+dick+nipples | A term used to refer to strange fetishes involving drawn porn. Especially furry porn.
17:25 BingoBoingo https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Shitting_Dick_Nipples
17:25 assbot Shitting Dick Nipples - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBjal )
17:27 mats https://soundcloud.com/madeon/youre-on-ft-kyan-oliver-remix
17:27 assbot You're On ft. Kyan (Oliver Remix) by Madeon - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzBpyW )
17:29 trinque mats: requires flash
17:29 * trinque shakes his fists at an uncaring sky
17:29 mats run it in a sandbox
17:30 thestringpuller flash ain't dead yet?
17:30 trinque sites trying to DRM still tend to use it
17:30 thestringpuller trying is a key word there I'd suppose
17:31 trinque ayep
17:31 thestringpuller ls
17:31 thestringpuller oops
17:33 ben_vulpes sad story, mats
17:34 mats i resolved that day to become god, so i would never have to see anyone die again
17:34 mats unless i wanted to.
17:35 mircea_popescu asciilifeform check it out : that guy wanted the stuarts, this guy is "return of kings", mayhap there's soemthing here.
17:35 ben_vulpes fucking hilarious jurov
17:36 trinque mats: interesting actually, to think of god as a human aspiration
17:36 mircea_popescu "Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal – to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. "
17:36 mircea_popescu anyway, that much ius actually true.
17:37 mircea_popescu however, this MAY be like saying that illiterate cultures are the norm, and to find successful literate cultures you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts or capitalist fiction.
17:40 danielpbarron he blames capitalism for producing feminism in the linked article at the bottom
17:41 mircea_popescu anyway, the main factor destroying that experiment is that they don't allow violence.
17:41 mircea_popescu the nine women - three men island + slavery would have probably icmb'd the other one within a few generations.
17:41 mats trinque: its the dream of every living creature. to grow until all the space you can see is a part of you. the desire for greatness...
17:41 mircea_popescu mats actually this is a mental condition in humans, and the desire of squids and generally cephalopodes exclusively.
17:43 mats there's two ways to do it: to kill anything that is not yourself, until nothing is left to oppose you.
17:43 mats you say to all the universe, only I will be great, and to make room for me the rest of you must give up even what you already have, and become nothing
17:43 trinque dunno about that
17:44 mats i'm quoting heavily from a book that was influential in my youth.
17:44 trinque you need some of that other stuff to exist
17:44 mircea_popescu ;;google anal stage
17:44 gribble Anal stage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_stage>; The Anal Stage of Psychosexual Development: <http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/ss/psychosexualdev_3.htm>; Psychosexual Stages | Simply Psychology: <http://www.simplypsychology.org/psychosexual.html>
17:44 mats some metaphysical nonsense... but i still think about it from time to time.
17:44 trinque I think one's dominion whereas the other's destruction.
17:45 trinque to own something means you can destroy it, not necessarily that you will
17:45 mircea_popescu "MOSAC - a charity which supports the non-abusing parents and carers of abused children - says a third of all calls to its helpline are from women who believe they have been groomed into conceiving a child."
17:45 mircea_popescu http://news.sky.com/story/1365552/paedophiles-grooming-women-to-bear-children
17:45 assbot Paedophiles Grooming Women To Bear Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzCEOC )
17:45 mircea_popescu i wonder how prevalent this actually is. as opposed to interested parties trying to create a niche for their ngos.
17:46 trinque mats: what was the second thing?
17:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc.
17:46 mircea_popescu o is it ?
17:46 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: snore. 'moldosphere' etc. largely dead.
17:46 trinque mircea_popescu: they can't whip up satanic cult hysteria anymore... pedos are second best?
17:47 mircea_popescu maybe.
17:47 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: used to also be called 'alt right' or 'neoreaction'
17:48 mircea_popescu trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility << generally that's because if you need it you can't turn it on, so it has to be on by default. you can turn it off obviously.
17:48 asciilifeform lol!
17:48 trinque mircea_popescu: wasn't started by openrc, nor .xprofile, just spawned off by gtk I think... ?
17:48 mats trinque: an exercise for the reader
17:48 * asciilifeform wonders if somebody actually made this argument in life
17:48 trinque when I find out how to kill it I will
17:49 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's how the accessbility stuff sails in.
17:49 trinque also get an adult! one with functioning limbs/eyes/etc
17:49 trinque I'm sure this accessibility crap can remote control any gtk app
17:49 asciilifeform trinque: 'dbus'
17:49 asciilifeform trinque: (remote control)
17:50 mircea_popescu trinque seems probable.
17:50 asciilifeform not just probable, but trivial.
17:50 trinque asciilifeform: notably -dbus did nothing
17:51 trinque seems like the libraries using this stuff take it upon themselves to spawn the thing they want?
17:51 mircea_popescu punkman: lol idiot << i left him a comment too.
17:52 mircea_popescu guy's obviously got his own agenda, but hey, won't be able to say he wasn't exposed to the sane set of ideas.
17:52 mircea_popescu jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?_filestring=&_string=gethostbyname yay this works finally too << o hey wd!@
17:52 assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.chicken general search: gethostbyname ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDfQi )
17:53 asciilifeform jurov: why am i seeing the win32 crap ?
17:53 asciilifeform jurov: or is this straight 0.5.3 without patches
17:54 jurov it's the very first chicken versions
17:54 asciilifeform aha
17:54 asciilifeform ty jurov
17:54 jurov will add 0.5.3.1 tmrw or so
17:54 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, jurov, whoever else is awake: anybody got a preferred build system they want to see used for toynode (as well as a name for the latter, toynode is ridiculous) ?
17:55 mircea_popescu i feel the need to contribute to this conversation, so http://41.media.tumblr.com/98462099f6f241b5474709437fd38b0e/tumblr_moiadqjAx31r4amwso1_1280.jpg
17:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzDmv8 )
17:55 asciilifeform current experimental rig is (surprised) a gentoo box
17:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform tornade ? sounds like toynode, except also descriptive.
17:55 asciilifeform eh, the 'tor' scrapes the eye like the shit in matsushita
17:56 * asciilifeform does not really have strong emotion on this subject
17:56 jurov just have an ebuild for it? or it ought to produce identical binaries no matter what?
17:56 jurov and name, bitcoinator?
17:56 asciilifeform ...identical binaries << ideally.
17:56 jurov er.. there's tor too
17:56 * asciilifeform favours bitcoinator
17:56 asciilifeform somehow less allergenic.
17:57 mats node-in-a-box.
17:57 mircea_popescu ok, how about A-node
17:57 asciilifeform works too
17:57 mircea_popescu a for ascii, node for nude or something
17:58 asciilifeform l0l
17:58 trinque mircea_popescu: between the CVEs and your links this room pays for itself
17:59 mircea_popescu lucky it doesn't cost much :D
17:59 trinque heh
17:59 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc. << Less pseudoliteracy, more literacy as archeaological artifact there. Seems distinct off shoot of Moldsphere. Far greater focus on expatriation.
18:00 mircea_popescu re thye whole "Source Code Similarities Between NSA Malware and 'Regin' Trojan " : the cause is quite obvious but somehow not found by the ever-brighter hn collective. that is : nsa outsourced the production. the way that ball got dropped is embarassing to them, and its very existence even more embarassing.
18:00 mircea_popescu but then again, i don't know anyone but asciilifeform to both honestly and seriously propose viewing the nsa as aserious endeavour, and even he's been kinda shaken latelyt.
18:01 mircea_popescu hory shit.
18:02 mircea_popescu ;;later tell teward * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
18:02 gribble The operation succeeded.
18:02 danielpbarron full-nodity
18:02 asciilifeform lol!
18:02 * asciilifeform won't belabour the point re: how 1) the nsa directorate that ended up publicly pants-down is not the whole nsa 2) the bureau is not the whole of usg intelligence
18:02 thestringpuller asciilifeform: what do you mean regarding 2?
18:03 asciilifeform but mircea_popescu is right! they do outsource crapware production. it is not even an especially deep secret, to where.
18:03 mircea_popescu there's also the secret service dudes, guarding your tungsten bars an' sheit
18:03 thestringpuller the secret service guards our debased gold?
18:03 mircea_popescu north korea ?
18:03 thestringpuller i thought they just protect obama and slap around counterfeiters
18:03 asciilifeform usg bureaucracy is every bit as gnarly as soviet equivalents, there are ~two dozen 'spy agencies', each with $maxint budget and practically whole legal immunity
18:04 trinque seems a place for rot to accumulate, not coherent action
18:04 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.
18:04 mircea_popescu trinque quite.
18:04 jurov lolwut? znc announces its segfault so?
18:04 mircea_popescu jurov news to me.
18:05 BingoBoingo And after the toy drone incidents trap shooting is going to have become part of the standard marksmanship bar to pass, if actual lizard hitler.
18:05 asciilifeform i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead
18:06 mats na, 'exploding drones' doesn't seem like a good way to kill a protected person
18:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform except it WAS dead.
18:06 thestringpuller You kidnap someone and claim you're CIA or some agency but really not (You're some shadowy private spy agency). So then when the "investigation" begins the dozen or so spy agencies point fingers at each other and unknown private firm continues to hide in shadows
18:06 mircea_popescu much like the pacepa defection proved the end of the romanian thing.
18:06 thestringpuller I'm certain this is not recent theory as its pop culture by now.
18:06 mats they routinely deploy jammers, set perimeters, and have trained designated marksmen... learned their lessons in trashcanistan et. al
18:06 trinque asciilifeform: it's that coherence bit that I think is important. An N1 rocket has plenty of power at its disposal
18:07 trinque ends up turning the launch site into an inferno to match
18:07 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747021
18:07 assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 00:34:51; mircea_popescu: * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
18:07 jurov lol assbot
18:07 asciilifeform mats: jammers, marksmen << drop vertically.
18:08 BingoBoingo RE: KGB - Tom Clancy novels were right except "Jack Ryan" was russian and manifests IRL as Putin.
18:09 asciilifeform mats: against k guards, use k+n machines, where n is a positive integer
18:09 mats asciilifeform: max altitude of 'Raven' is about 150m
18:09 mats and good luck getting that high with a meaningful payload
18:09 asciilifeform what is 'raven' ?
18:10 mats i think the WASP is a more economically feasible approach
18:10 mats RQ-11 backpack drone.
18:10 asciilifeform that isn't even a chopper.
18:11 mats you have a point...
18:11 asciilifeform and it is certainly physically possible to fly toy 'multicoper' above 150m.
18:11 mircea_popescu tbh, if you're going this avenue you're better off firing a home made sol-sol missile at the target than hitting them with a homemade drone
18:12 mircea_popescu just buy a lot of fireworks.
18:12 mats i'd like to take this moment to affirm that this is purely speculative, and i have no intention of being so much as within the city limits of POTUS...
18:12 asciilifeform l0l
18:12 asciilifeform http://www.suasnews.com/2011/03/4822/dont-sell-rq-11-ravens-on-ebay << oldie
18:12 assbot Don’t sell RQ-11 Ravens on eBay | sUAS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wzEqix )
18:13 mats Secret Service has no humor about this sort of thing.
18:14 asciilifeform also has quotas.
18:14 mats why would you want to buy a fucking raven anyways?
18:14 asciilifeform !s new york death ray
18:14 assbot 8 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
18:14 thestringpuller my buddy got fined flying a quadcopter > 200m
18:14 mats we had a few in my intel section while i was in, fucking things would fall out of the sky a quarter of the time, 20 mins into flight
18:14 thestringpuller "Failure to file flight path with FAA"
18:14 mats fucking useless
18:15 trinque rc plane with a gopro... definitely deserves 20 years in prison
18:15 asciilifeform same as pgp.
18:15 mircea_popescu the sad fact of the matter is that the same general development that allows derps like yanis souflakis to pretend like "he can distinguish inflation from product improvement" also allows anyone who isn't a redditard and has a day's leisure to build a missile ; and anyone that isn't iran and so mentally retarded to build a nuke.
18:15 asciilifeform a most cruel weapon of war, clearly
18:15 thestringpuller did zimmerman get 20 years?
18:15 mircea_popescu these aren't hard problems in any sense anymore. they're onyl still hard for retards. otherwise, the safety of "designated importants" ios a matter of public mercy
18:15 asciilifeform thestringpuller: he got something worse
18:15 thestringpuller i thought he avoided jail time
18:16 mircea_popescu not of "work" or "Agencies" or "laws" etc
18:17 mircea_popescu i wonder how long until it sinks in, with the mostly empty head of obama, with the mostly empty head of blasio, with the mostly empty head of everyone else in that group of derps : that they're still alive because nobody could be bothered to kill them yet.
18:17 mircea_popescu NOT because anyone or anything is 'protecting' them
18:18 mats the SS certainly doesn't have a good record
18:18 asciilifeform but they have a real ripper of a time barricading entire quarters of city, banishing tourists from restaurants, theatres, etc.
18:18 thestringpuller asciilifeform: http://www.contra.org/pgp/PhilZimmerman.html << i see. scary.
18:18 asciilifeform thestringpuller: scarier is that he's a stooge now.
18:19 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure.
18:19 asciilifeform i haven't any idea how, specifically, he was lowered. but fact is.
18:19 trinque mircea_popescu: perhaps when the state tucking them in at night fails to do so for a sufficient number of days
18:19 trinque I expect a collective mental breakdown followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth instead
18:19 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is less scary and more sad to me :(
18:20 trinque this and the inability of the NSA to act coherently I think come from the same dead culture
18:20 mircea_popescu trinque i suspect they actually understand this pretty well, which is why the vehehehery gingerly treatment of actual powers that be, and the very loud derpage around idiots asking for a cock in their ass, like schwarz.
18:20 thestringpuller trinque: sounds like a coup de gras of come kind.
18:21 mircea_popescu "Please take Econ 1. When the Federal govt prints more money and spends, you do not get much inflation when there is massive unemployment. The extra $ the government prints and distributes is spent, increasing demand for goods and services. If the govt then KEEPS increasing the money supply, THEN you get inflation."
18:21 mircea_popescu the idiots derping in tlp's comment section...
18:23 mats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDzLxq0SV0
18:23 assbot Lupe Fiasco - Mural - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/15Qz0KP )
18:27 trinque mircea_popescu: maybe when they're all in chains they can dig holes then fill them back in for a while
18:28 trinque call it an art piece
18:28 mircea_popescu nah. i happen to know what they'll do. sadly it's all in romanian, but there's dozens of articles detailing the "what do idiots who thought they were right and in power do once it comes out they were wrong and never really in power".
18:29 mircea_popescu it's a lot of... welll.... actually it looks a lot like liberal-radical-on-reddit, in the early stages.
18:29 mircea_popescu !up frb
18:36 trinque mircea_popescu: congregate and resolve to be bad at new-ruling-ideology to make a point?
18:37 trinque portland business owners enrage me for that reason
18:37 trinque the idea that being embarrassed about discussing money for example makes them a good communist
18:37 mircea_popescu it's this particular sort of "world is mean"
18:37 trinque ah we were robbed
18:37 trinque should've been X
18:38 mircea_popescu im kinda curious who will be claimed as the evil foreign invader.
18:38 mircea_popescu there's always one of these, that came in and ruined "a good thing". prollly the chinese i gues, tho you never know.
18:39 trinque if it swings "tea party" everyone brown
18:39 mircea_popescu yeah that also.
18:39 trinque I don't know; thinking about this runs into the inability to coherently do anything
18:40 trinque what does the tea party "do" now? make tshirts?
18:41 trinque hm so maybe that's what lingers, the delusional faux-doing
18:42 trinque makes me think of either you or asciilifeform talking about concentration camp inmates pretending to be guards, making fake uniforms
18:42 trinque vs say mats experience of "fuck god, I am god"
18:43 trinque seems like there are a few ways a mind can break
18:47 asciilifeform 0.5.3 folks: did one of you post, a while ago, a list of libs (specific version) favoured: (e.g., db-4.8.26, openssl-xxxxxx, ...)
18:51 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unrelated: http://habrahabr.ru/post/248419
18:51 assbot Встраиваем бэкдор в Bitcoin (ECDSA) или еще раз о клептографии / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/15QDqkT )
18:56 asciilifeform (summary: walkthrough for construction of simple ecdsa backdoor, for n00bs)
18:56 asciilifeform nothing earth-shaking, but good maths tutorial.
~ 30 minutes ~
19:26 BingoBoingo http://www.jensendental.com/alloy/charts/alloy-chart.html << Iridium in your mouth
19:26 assbot Jensen Dental Alloys - Alloy Chart ... ( http://bit.ly/15H18zA )
19:30 mats http://www.businessinsider.com/tinder-co-founder-whitney-wolfe-and-bumble-2015-1
19:30 assbot Tinder Cofounder Whitney Wolfe And Bumble - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1yLYT9n )
19:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91250 @ 0.00036592 = 33.3902 BTC [-] {3}
19:32 mats whoa
19:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23248 @ 0.00037074 = 8.619 BTC [+] {2}
19:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44602 @ 0.00037151 = 16.5701 BTC [+] {2}
19:41 BingoBoingo http://www.returnofkings.com/53859/so-do-you-want-to-learn-how-to-code << No Comment
19:41 assbot Do You Want To Learn How To Code? ... ( http://bit.ly/15H2LgB )
19:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19908 @ 0.00035729 = 7.1129 BTC [-]
19:46 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
19:46 nubbins` o hi
19:46 nubbins` i disconnect often enough that authing isn't really a priority
19:47 nubbins` although you guys do miss out on a lot of witticisms
19:48 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Why is why I !up you. I am suffering wit deficiency
19:49 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
↖
19:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3zC9 )
19:49 asciilifeform mod6 ^^^^^
19:49 mod6 srsly?
19:49 asciilifeform aha.
19:50 mod6 oh i know what it is.
19:50 mod6 i bet that the damn translation of my email address did it
19:50 asciilifeform so turdatron never really worked.
19:51 BingoBoingo http://www.returnofkings.com/27361/how-the-bakken-oil-fields-put-me-on-the-path-to-truth
19:51 assbot How The Bakken Oil Fields Put Me On The Path To Truth ... ( http://bit.ly/15H3KgJ )
19:51 mod6 so yeah, i signed "<modsix@gmail.com>"
19:51 mod6 and then the turdalator changed it
19:51 mod6 if you could be so kind... just change the text to that and see if it verifies.
19:52 asciilifeform works
19:52 asciilifeform jurov: ^^^^^^
19:52 mod6 ok cool, good catch ascii
19:52 asciilifeform can we put an end to the mutilations.
19:52 mod6 i'll send out a new copy.
19:52 asciilifeform and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
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19:52 * mod6 works on that
19:53 mod6 when i had mutt setup properly with my own mx it was pretty sweet because it would check sigs and everything automagically.
19:54 mod6 one of these times, I gotta get mutt back going again
20:08 mod6 ok i re-sent with a new version number and "<modsix at gmail dot com>" written in by me.
20:09 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/01/greece-taps-anti-bitcoin-video-game-economist-as-finance-minister/
20:09 assbot Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/15H647t )
20:13 punkman ;;google tf2 hat economy
20:13 gribble Analyst Pegs Team Fortress 2 Hat Economy at $50 Million - Kotaku: <http://kotaku.com/5869042/analyst-pegs-team-fortress-2-hat-economy-at-50-million>; A beginner's guide to the Team Fortress 2 economy - Destructoid: <http://www.destructoid.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-team-fortress-2-economy-230418.phtml>; ARBITRAGE AND EQUILIBRIUM IN THE TEAM FORTRESS 2 ...: (1 more message)
20:15 punkman the one thing he wrote on valve blog is about tf2 hats http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/author/yanis/
20:15 assbot yanis | Valve ... ( http://bit.ly/15H6ZVm )
20:19 BingoBoingo !up nubbins`
20:20 nubbins` the forum is eating itself
20:20 nubbins` ouroboroustalk.org
20:21 BingoBoingo nubbins`: Where nao?
20:21 BingoBoingo Still the wood condomer
20:21 nubbins` heh ya
20:21 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0;all
20:21 assbot Videos of WoodCollector Hand Carving: Care of MOB ... ( http://bit.ly/15H7Sx8 )
20:21 nubbins` this is one of the only ones still unlocked
20:22 nubbins` scroll down to where people start making connections between TECSHARE and WoodCollector via domain whois
20:22 nubbins` my sides
20:23 BingoBoingo Wait, Techshare is a waterboy?
20:23 * nubbins` shrugs
20:23 nubbins` about halfway down the page there are some pretty funny pictures of me
20:24 nubbins` strangely, he passed this one by: http://imgur.com/5v5jUqI
20:24 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8ov4 )
20:25 nubbins` and this one
20:25 nubbins` http://imgur.com/1O9azbk
20:25 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8pPK )
20:25 nubbins` and this one... http://imgur.com/88qiKWs
20:25 assbot imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/15H8tPC )
20:27 nubbins` heh now people are asking TECSHARE for screenshots of his PMs
20:27 nubbins` hahahahah
20:27 nubbins` did someone put LSD in the water?
20:31 BingoBoingo lol
20:33 BingoBoingo The thing that sold me on WC as a fraud is that and actual master carver would focus on edges instead of relief making the BfL dildo feathered and much more painful.
20:35 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8092gOWK61qjuse9o1_1280.jpg << better drones bureau
20:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94yfp )
20:36 nubbins` "arch your back" "WHAUET? I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
20:36 mircea_popescu lol "i advise people to learn html, becausre that's a language and it worked for me. wut ?"
20:37 nubbins` :
20:37 nubbins` D
20:37 decimation re: usg intel 'truths': https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-1/pdfs/CleanedPetersen-What%20I%20Learned-20Apr2011.pdf
20:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15H9Q0E )
20:38 decimation "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."
20:38 * mircea_popescu saves bb qntra article for tomorrow morning
20:39 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
20:39 mircea_popescu hanbot ^
20:40 BingoBoingo When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
20:41 BingoBoingo Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
20:43 decimation "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
20:47 mircea_popescu and with that, i'll be off.
20:49 nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/lWPRF
20:49 assbot Awful sex dolls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H983m0 )
20:49 nubbins` nsfw
20:55 decimation http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html << President Truman was even dumber than you thought
20:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H99uku )
20:57 BingoBoingo ;;later tell Beautyton thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
20:57 assbot "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
20:57 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:58 BingoBoingo ;;later tell Irdial thanks https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/560254739544539136
20:58 assbot "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
20:58 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:58 thestringpuller BingoBoingo: random: is there a reason the piece doesn't do "Continued reading"?
20:59 thestringpuller not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
20:59 BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
21:01 thestringpuller gotcha. thanks!
21:04 nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/PVxlSq6.jpg
21:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9bI3v )
21:04 nubbins` popped open my volca sample yesterday, was pleased to find MIDI out points clearly marked
21:04 nubbins` dem easter eggs!
21:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50380 @ 0.00033866 = 17.0617 BTC [+]
21:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65200 @ 0.00032999 = 21.5153 BTC [-]
21:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97127 @ 0.00030124 = 29.2585 BTC [-] {2}
21:19 BingoBoingo http://www.returnofkings.com/794/getting-arrested-on-the-first-date
21:19 assbot Getting Arrested On The First Date ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9g6iR )
21:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42800 @ 0.000302 = 12.9256 BTC [+]
21:24 thestringpuller MPOE at all time lows
21:24 thestringpuller holy fuck
21:24 thestringpuller people are filling up the war chests
21:26 asciilifeform 'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'
21:27 assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.1 = 4.1 BTC [-]
21:34 BingoBoingo !up p15
21:34 BingoBoingo Hello p15
21:34 thestringpuller ah. asciilifeform you are one of my favorite people.
21:35 nubbins` let's not get outta hand
21:35 nubbins` https://iamcomputo.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/20140102_215347.jpg
21:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjdYI )
21:35 nubbins` ^ other members of the volca family have many more easter eggs hidden
21:36 nubbins` http://www.infinitesimal.eu/synth/data/images/2013/korg-volca-beats-disassemble-4.jpg
21:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjgDV )
21:37 nubbins` alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
21:38 nubbins` http://fluxmonkey.com/images/ohioExpFest_small.jpg
21:38 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjo66 )
21:38 nubbins` like this, but with a nicer suitcase
21:38 * BingoBoingo kind of a bigger fan of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFi_nUUF8uQ (uses reeds)
21:38 assbot Wurlitzer Electric Piano 200 by VintageVibe.com - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjomF )
21:38 BingoBoingo !up toddf
21:39 BingoBoingo Hello toddf
21:39 * asciilifeform would, but has no musical education at all
21:39 nubbins` you actually don't need any to have fun :D
21:39 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
21:39 nubbins` i might have to get him a monotron
21:40 * asciilifeform is one of those people who can easily compose in his head, incl. polyphony, but can't output
21:40 nubbins` that sort of brain is actually made for synths
21:40 nubbins` as long as you can twist a rotary encoder, you can set notes
21:41 asciilifeform nubbins`: at various points i've tried all kinds of 'cheats', incl. 'ear trainers' etc
21:41 BingoBoingo Tuba is a great instrument for outputting polyphony solo
21:41 asciilifeform nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.
21:41 nubbins` ah ah, i see
21:41 nubbins` that, there's not much helping
21:41 nubbins` but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
21:41 asciilifeform actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.
21:41 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Culprit is bone conduction.
21:41 nubbins` and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
21:42 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: culprit is not having whatever neural circuit folks who can actually do music have
21:42 Bet placed: 4.03889 BTC for No on "BTC price to rise above 1oz of gold " http://bitbet.us/bet/976/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.46429713 BTC. Current weight: 30,995.
21:42 decimation asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
21:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Prolly that too. I am lacking in that department as well. Tuba is forgiving in that regard.
21:43 asciilifeform did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.
21:43 asciilifeform was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano
21:43 asciilifeform because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.
21:43 asciilifeform met plenty of people who 'can play' but not do it.
21:44 hanbot <BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064
21:44 assbot What to expect from Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjCu5 )
21:44 asciilifeform perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.
21:44 asciilifeform insufficiently specified/specifiable.
21:45 BingoBoingo Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
21:45 BingoBoingo hanbot: Thanks.
21:45 nubbins` http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotron-Analog-Ribbon-Synthesizer/dp/B00684KFAM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-2&keywords=monotribe
21:45 assbot Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )
21:45 nubbins` asciilifeform ^
21:45 thestringpuller ;;ticker
21:45 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.68, Best ask: 259.73, Bid-ask spread: 1.05000, Last trade: 259.68, 24 hour volume: 17752.82109037, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.284801802
21:45 BingoBoingo !up moldysnizz
21:45 asciilifeform nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject
21:45 assbot Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )
21:45 asciilifeform describes a hypothesis.
21:46 nubbins` if you're a bit looser with your money: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotribe-Analogue-Ribbon-Station/dp/B0050G7VR4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-1&keywords=monotribe&pebp=1422413137924&peasin=B0050G7VR4
21:46 assbot Amazon.com: Korg Monotribe Analogue Ribbon Station: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjJFU )
21:47 asciilifeform nubbins`: as a fellow who can program, and at one point owned a 'commodore 64', i've played with just about every basic kind of synth tone
21:47 nubbins` lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
21:47 asciilifeform problem is not the tone, but the input.
21:47 moldysnizz ;;rate bingoboingo 1 Good with his hands...
21:47 gribble Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
21:47 nubbins` they actually released the schematics for the monotribe as well
21:47 moldysnizz oh well fuck you gribble
21:47 asciilifeform piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted.
21:47 BingoBoingo moldysnizz: You gotta recover that keypair
21:47 asciilifeform nor did any better with direct entry
21:47 nubbins` asciilifeform, then you'll love the monotribe's ribbon keyboard :D
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00031969 = 4.3638 BTC [+]
21:48 thestringpuller asciilifeform: you and my piano teacher (also russian and similar demeanor) would have interesting dirnking convos
21:48 nubbins` as granular as your fingers are small.
21:48 moldysnizz I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
21:48 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> piano keyboard is meaningless to me. despite plenty of time spent attempted. << This I experience as well.
21:48 asciilifeform theremin is as granular as... not even sure what
21:48 nubbins` why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
21:48 asciilifeform didn't make any difference.
21:49 nubbins` are these notes we're talking about or tones?
21:49 asciilifeform i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
21:49 nubbins` er sorry
21:49 nubbins` that was worded poorly
21:49 asciilifeform (i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)
21:49 asciilifeform nubbins`: read linked article.
21:50 BingoBoingo My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each “bang” your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
21:50 BingoBoingo tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
21:50 nubbins` asciilifeform i dunno man, it honestly sounds like a 'tribe can do what you're describing
21:50 BingoBoingo "perfect pitch" is almost always trained.
21:51 asciilifeform nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?
21:51 thestringpuller ;;google gimme 20 dollars slenderman
21:51 gribble Slender $20 Mode! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejatl89mf5w>; Slender Man dances for his 20 dollars - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT9r_-oHJV0>; GIMME 20 DOLLARS - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUN_7Iopmak>
21:53 decimation !s theremin
21:53 assbot 11 results for 'theremin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=theremin
21:53 nubbins` asciilifeform it's got a digital step-sequencer built into it, so once you find your correct input tone, you can map it to a step.
21:53 nubbins` it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
21:54 asciilifeform except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music.
21:54 asciilifeform that's what i've found.
21:54 * decimation learned 'a' (440 hz) by listening to 'wwv'
21:54 nubbins` but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
21:54 asciilifeform nubbins`: i've played with continuously-variable synths, as an electronics enthusiast; trust me, it made zero difference.
21:54 nubbins` then i feel your agony
21:54 asciilifeform not sure why this isn't making sense to nubbins`
21:55 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
21:55 nubbins` i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
21:55 nubbins` if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
21:55 asciilifeform i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.
21:56 nubbins` sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
21:56 nubbins` brb feeding cats
21:56 decimation perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
22:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44438 @ 0.00033141 = 14.7272 BTC [+]
22:01 asciilifeform for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.
22:01 asciilifeform but it is precisely what's involved.
22:02 asciilifeform probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)
22:02 asciilifeform control theory?
22:03 decimation asciilifeform: I think that came from combat doctrine
22:03 asciilifeform it did.
22:03 decimation but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
22:04 decimation asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html
22:04 assbot Tread™ - Leatherman / LED Lenser ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkzm0 )
22:04 BingoBoingo By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.
22:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkA9D )
22:06 asciilifeform decimation: golden toilet
22:07 * BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
22:07 danielpbarron http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=26361348#26361348
22:07 assbot ATRL - Celeb News: Taylor Swift Hacked on Instagram - Page 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkCyu )
22:07 decimation asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
22:07 asciilifeform decimation: until can't
22:07 decimation not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
22:07 asciilifeform decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.
22:08 decimation but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
22:08 asciilifeform anyone who enjoys playing the mole in 'whack-a-mole' - straight there.
22:09 asciilifeform this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity
22:09 asciilifeform but as soon as it hits retail - added to ban list.
22:09 decimation it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
22:10 decimation also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
22:10 trinque BingoBoingo: I kinda like it
22:10 trinque I've done some chiptune stuff, nothing good
22:11 BingoBoingo trinque: Thanks. Made with "Noteworthy Composer" a lowest bidder sort of Win32 music typesetting software that can output to MIDI
22:12 TheNewDeal what is this Noteworthy Composer?
22:12 TheNewDeal you type in notes and it outputs MIDI values?
22:13 BingoBoingo https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/
22:13 assbot NoteWorthy Software - Home of NoteWorthy Composer Music Notation Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkPSf )
22:13 BingoBoingo Supposedly plays well wrapped in Wine
22:14 BingoBoingo at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
22:14 * BingoBoingo used 1.x series unfamiliar with this version 2 bullshit.
22:17 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli
22:17 BingoBoingo !up felipelalli1
22:18 * BingoBoingo likes to imagine an alternate history where that one piece of turdware and imagined uses of it did not keep self on Windows for an unconfortably long period of history
22:20 BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/marshawn_lynch_joins_super_bowl_media_day_to_avoid_fine.html
22:20 assbot Marshawn Lynch joins Super Bowl media day to avoid fine. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl4g4 )
22:20 trinque https://soundcloud.com/signpost << coupla loops I farted out
22:20 assbot signpost's profile - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOl6Vb )
22:20 trinque I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
22:21 trinque all came out of playing in renoise
22:21 trinque trackers are pretty fun
22:21 TheNewDeal ;;ident trinque
22:21 gribble Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is not identified.
22:23 trinque ;;ident trinque
22:23 gribble Nick 'trinque', with hostmask 'trinque!~undata@unaffiliated/undata', is identified as user 'trinque', with GPG key id 42F9985AFAB953C4, key fingerprint FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4, and bitcoin address None
22:24 BingoBoingo trinque: If Deedbot has a need for sounds...
22:25 trinque I hear scope creep is met with beatings.
22:26 BingoBoingo Eh, it is
22:27 BingoBoingo Generally for mandatory creep. If a deed.py client for deebot materialized later...
22:28 BingoBoingo Dunno why deedbot would need a deed.py client though
22:29 TheNewDeal ;;seen BlueMeanie4
22:29 gribble BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin
22:29 trinque speaking of things I should throw cycles into
22:29 trinque I'm going to afk for a bit and finish up some work stuff, then see about haxing on the bot
22:30 decimation re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism?
22:31 asciilifeform decimation: quite possibly
22:32 BingoBoingo 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
22:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not unlike rejoicing in having crushed one particular cockroach in your kitchen.
22:33 asciilifeform roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches.
22:33 asciilifeform or if they lose one or two.
22:34 BingoBoingo Also true
22:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4256 @ 0.00033141 = 1.4105 BTC [+]
22:37 danielpbarron huh, I seem to be shadowbanned on reddit -- finally!
22:39 trinque danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
22:39 danielpbarron idk if it's just on /r/bitcoin or what
22:40 BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co358go
22:40 assbot ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOlZgB )
22:49 decimation asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
22:50 trinque decimation: which?
22:50 trinque I'm considering wiping out this gentoo install with openbsd
22:52 decimation glibc bugs
22:52 BingoBoingo trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
22:52 trinque decimation: meant which bsd?
22:53 decimation eh. I've played with openbsd - it's not a very big ecosystem
22:53 trinque BingoBoingo: fired it up in a VM and felt like I sort of knew my way around
22:53 decimation but it is probably more security-minded with W^X and ASLR
22:53 nijotz http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/699517120641640149/1C42FDFC5357C6604A2EE03FB2ADCCC87A5B0D7E/
22:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOmFCD )
22:54 trinque nijotz: lol
22:54 BingoBoingo 5.7 will bring as kernel space ASLR, also current on some platforms has that, but is... unfinished
22:54 BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel
22:55 * BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
22:55 BingoBoingo Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
22:56 trinque BingoBoingo: I'll grab Absolute OpenBSD, ty
22:56 trinque that's the one?
22:57 BingoBoingo trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
23:01 decimation how can android use bsd libc?
23:01 BingoBoingo trinque: M.W. Lucas is a sort of sage for commonly overlooked sysadmin stuff.
23:01 BingoBoingo decimation: Because it is all *nix
23:01 decimation isn't there significant differences wrt the kernel?
23:02 decimation someone must have written shim code
23:02 BingoBoingo decimation: Yes, linux kernel is deviant.
23:02 * BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter
23:03 BingoBoingo decimation: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 << This so hard
23:03 assbot Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOnsmT )
23:03 danielpbarron if you have beginners openbsd questions feel free to ask me
23:03 danielpbarron i also have the book BingoBoingo recommended
23:04 trinque danielpbarron: cool, sounds good
23:04 BingoBoingo One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
23:08 trinque BingoBoingo: a best-practices in general thing or something specific to openbsd's sudo?
23:09 BingoBoingo trinque: In this tome a lot of OpenBSD specific stuff, but also general good practices. M W Lucas also has a sudo mastery book as part of his security trinity.
23:12 BingoBoingo !up devthedev
23:16 danielpbarron i also have the sudo mastery book, although i haven't cracked it open yet
23:17 devthedev Soteriology puts a killing on my brain
23:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00038264 = 9.7191 BTC [+] {2}
23:18 asciilifeform openbsd is in some ways a 'hair shirt' (abolished loadable kmods, for instance)
23:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
23:19 BingoBoingo devthedev: lol barry soetero
23:27 mod6 fuck
23:27 * BingoBoingo thinks it would be fair to say Linux is silk shirt, FreeBSD is wool shirt, OpenBSD is hair shirt, and NetBSD is rolling around naked in poison ivy
23:27 mod6 wat
23:27 asciilifeform yes, wat
23:28 mod6 anyway, so the script that i re-posted to the list wont work
23:28 mod6 gpg --logger-file chicken.sig.log --homedir .gnupg \
23:28 mod6 - --verify chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
23:28 mod6 ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
23:28 mod6 jurov: check this out
23:28 mod6 ^^^
23:29 * mod6 breaks random things
23:29 mod6 im just gonna post the fuckin script to the website direct.
23:30 asciilifeform jurov: any possibility of making it actually work ?
23:30 asciilifeform and how the hell did anything else get posted
23:30 asciilifeform or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.
23:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23220 @ 0.00037098 = 8.6142 BTC [-]
23:31 mod6 actually, jurov, it's not the fault of the turdalator
23:31 mod6 as it seems, gnupg did that nonsense.
23:31 asciilifeform i did warn.
23:31 * mod6 breaks more stuff
23:31 asciilifeform !s clearsign
23:31 assbot 78 results for 'clearsign' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=clearsign
23:32 asciilifeform http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500
23:32 assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
23:32 mod6 you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
23:32 asciilifeform mantra: 'don't clearsign code.'
23:32 mod6 yeah. weaksauce
23:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901052 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901055
23:33 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
23:33 assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
23:33 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-01-2015#972864
23:33 assbot Logged on 11-01-2015 06:00:40; asciilifeform: in-band signalling is inevitably lame.
23:33 mod6 http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897503 << lol
23:33 assbot Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:58; mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
23:35 asciilifeform what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ?
23:35 asciilifeform because that's where this is going.
23:35 * asciilifeform blows dust off uuencode
23:37 BingoBoingo Worse things have happened
23:37 * BingoBoingo glares at leap seconds
23:38 asciilifeform leap seconds are braindamaged.
↖
23:38 asciilifeform why should i move my epoch clock for a political fiction.
23:38 asciilifeform wall clock - sure, get places on time, etc.
23:38 asciilifeform epoch? fuck you.
23:39 BingoBoingo Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
23:39 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: leap seconds are inserted - supposedly because earth slows. so not a constant.
23:39 asciilifeform not enough to say that 1 newsecond = 1*k oldseconds
23:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Convenient political fiction to cover a simple rounding error
23:41 BingoBoingo Because significant figures... Maybe if things desync this often more figures are significant than are politically convenient
23:42 BingoBoingo rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
23:42 mod6 <+asciilifeform> what are we to do? pretend it's 1995 and post uuencoded turds ? << perfectly fine with me.
23:44 BingoBoingo atm fortress http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-atm-bombers/
23:44 assbot Boom: Inside a British Bank-Bombing Spree - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1BNfG )
23:47 decimation asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
23:47 decimation accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
23:48 decimation asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
23:48 BingoBoingo decimation: Not necessary, just create a better definition of second
23:49 decimation BingoBoingo: no definition of a second will cover the variation in the earth's rotation
23:49 BingoBoingo decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
23:49 decimation a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
23:50 decimation time zones have nothing to do with leap seconds
23:51 trinque ditch days, nobody goes outside anymore anyway
23:51 trinque all hail glorious cesium overlord
23:51 BingoBoingo Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
23:51 decimation well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
23:52 decimation right now it's the rotation of the earth, even though it varies
23:52 danielpbarron a second will henceforth be known as 1 six-hundredth of the average time it takes for a bitcoin block to be found
23:52 decimation lol
23:52 BingoBoingo Would anyone who contributed to this http://www.timetemperature.com/time-zone-maps/world-time-zone-map.shtml honest be capable of earnestly declaring allegiance to solar time?
23:52 assbot World Time Zone Map ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1DPfO )
23:53 BingoBoingo Poor Iceland
23:54 mod6 ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
23:54 decimation BingoBoingo: read this before wishing to abolish time zones http://qntm.org/abolish
23:54 assbot So you want to abolish time zones @ Things Of Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1Ea29 )
23:54 mod6 so i added the file direct to the website, along with the sig file
23:54 mod6 would one of you gentlement verify it for me?
23:54 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh
23:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EfD0 )
23:54 mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/build.sh.sig
23:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1v1EgH5 )
23:55 mod6 *gentlemen too :]
23:56 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2014#703385
23:56 assbot Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
23:56 BingoBoingo decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
23:57 decimation heh
23:57 BingoBoingo Why not simply walk the meridian?
23:59 BingoBoingo Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
23:59 BingoBoingo Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
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