| 00:00 |
* |
nubbins` raises other eyebrow |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
anyone else around? |
| 00:00 |
mircea_popescu |
careful you might run out. |
| 00:00 |
Duffer1 |
moo? |
| 00:00 |
dub |
i agree with nubbins` |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
Duffer1 http://brainwallet.github.io |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
try passphrases kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA and BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ |
| 00:00 |
nubbins` |
paste addresses here |
| 00:01 |
Duffer1 |
1P2vYukzmiGp5B7otkDakvubVFmkiv7b3y |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 00:01 |
nubbins` |
... |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` dude srsly you ended up with the magic salt |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
fell on the exact bundle pw ? |
| 00:01 |
* |
nubbins` slowly reaches for gun |
| 00:01 |
nubbins` |
no man |
| 00:01 |
mircea_popescu |
do you even know what the odds are ?! |
| 00:01 |
nubbins` |
http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawa |
| 00:02 |
mike_c |
13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e / 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64 |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA as passphrase produces 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
what the shit. |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
mike_c: +1 |
| 00:02 |
Duffer1 |
fascinating |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
something's fucked somewhere |
| 00:02 |
nubbins` |
with several of you |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
19xKa5GkCBFM9XnEcHp1mjoiXi7x7oXKzn <<< |
| 00:02 |
mircea_popescu |
let me take a ss just in case. |
| 00:03 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe im putting it in the wrong hole. |
| 00:03 |
nubbins` |
http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/196PrJjLTjXNNGLZsyT4YYdhA2b2EQjbZ3 |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/brainlollet.png < |
| 00:04 |
nubbins` |
er sorry |
| 00:04 |
BingoBoingo |
I thought brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
it has been, yes |
| 00:04 |
mircea_popescu |
this seems a novel sparkle tho |
| 00:04 |
mod6 |
yikes |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
wtf? |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` am i doing it right ? |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
yes |
| 00:05 |
mircea_popescu |
lemme paste the js |
| 00:05 |
mike_c |
mircea_popescu: whitespace matters |
| 00:05 |
nubbins` |
http://i.imgur.com/OJXD9dP.png |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
mike_c where ? |
| 00:06 |
Duffer1 |
13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e / 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64 |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no whitespace. |
| 00:06 |
mike_c |
in the passphrase.. if you have any |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu i verified w/ a brainwallet generator i wrote myself |
| 00:06 |
nubbins` |
:s |
| 00:06 |
mircea_popescu |
so im on the brainwallet orphan chain over here ? |
| 00:07 |
* |
nubbins` throws up hands |
| 00:07 |
mike_c |
doge-brain |
| 00:07 |
nubbins` |
i have no idea what your cpu is smoking |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> i have no idea what your cpu is smoking26d8fca64af52e7712a8ed89e8fd34ce9b22ee5e2b1800776cbb1434c200825d - |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
it can't be the case it can hash here but not there, my cpu |
| 00:08 |
nubbins` |
<nubbins`> i have no idea what your cpu is smoking26d8fca64af52e7712a8ed89e8fd34ce9b22ee5e2b1800776cbb1434c200825d - |
| 00:08 |
mircea_popescu |
right. |
| 00:08 |
dub |
someone swapped your CPU for a potato |
| 00:08 |
mike_c |
this has gotta be a JS thing. |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
just put a single "1" in the passphrase |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
where ? |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
brainwallet.github.io |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, make passphrase = 1 |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
17oEDveGfjVDuMyxbTHT6vw1Qvu2w2k9aV |
| 00:09 |
mike_c |
12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
obviously. |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ |
| 00:09 |
dub |
12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
hahahah |
| 00:09 |
mircea_popescu |
well... |
| 00:09 |
nubbins` |
protip: "secret exponent" = sha256sum |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
5a692302f4231563cfeedaec090567e2477cebfa67d27d016a017bcd64c01911 5JW712UGBYBxp3UGNSzcQBGnPdpAsQMRKcczWJP8SJ65hiHV5WU |
| 00:10 |
nubbins` |
if your secret exponent is not 6b86b273ff34fce19d6b804eff5a3f5747ada4eaa22f1d49c01e52ddb7875b4b then something is borked |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
something is defo borked. |
| 00:10 |
nubbins` |
well i guess your week just got interesting |
| 00:10 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess it helps that i just wasn't using braindamage.org anyway |
| 00:11 |
nubbins` |
anyway. does anyone know how the fuck deeds generates these brainwallet passphrases? :D |
| 00:11 |
nubbins` |
'cause i'm at a loss |
| 00:12 |
asciilifeform |
brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time << brainwallet is a fully-automatic iq test. |
| |
↖ |
| 00:12 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MVA1HS.txt ) |
| 00:12 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 1 |
| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
seems like punkbot is the iq tes |
| 00:13 |
nubbins` |
t |
| 00:14 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/braindamage.txt << js dump if anyone cares. |
| 00:15 |
asciilifeform |
unrelated: https://archive.org/details/HowToStartYourOwnCountry << a little riot of a book. no-bullshit guide to (failed) attempts at ab initio sovereignty. (i met the author in person, incidentally. fun fella.) |
| |
↖ |
| 00:15 |
* |
asciilifeform never knew it was on the net, was actually about to w4r3z sc4n it & post, then found... |
| 00:19 |
TheNewDeal |
what in the hell is that |
| 00:19 |
asciilifeform |
TheNewDeal: old book. |
| 00:20 |
TheNewDeal |
nonono, the js dump |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
deedbot? |
| 00:20 |
TheNewDeal |
thats what this is http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/braindamage.txt < ? |
| 00:20 |
asciilifeform |
or possibly 'brainwallet' ? |
| 00:20 |
TheNewDeal |
ahh |
| 00:21 |
asciilifeform |
aha brainwallet. |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
deeds is voodoo |
| 00:25 |
nubbins` |
50 satoshi says it's generating random addresses |
| 00:26 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-codewhores-and-camwhores/ << asciilifeform, everyone. |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal it's the dump of js as loaded on my system, because somehow it doesn't come to the same results as other people here. |
| 00:29 |
mircea_popescu |
yes, brainwallet.org thing |
| 00:29 |
* |
asciilifeform oils, waits for clients |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 00:30 |
mircea_popescu |
*actual results could significantly differ |
| 00:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i may have said this in the past, but this is rather like my 'elephant procurement company' (gedankenexperiment) |
| 00:31 |
mircea_popescu |
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3PXiV95kwA source ) |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
i.e., i will procure elephants in a day, but no one will like what it costs. |
| 00:32 |
asciilifeform |
('this' being my - so far hypothetical - little shop of ho^h^hcode review) |
| 00:33 |
asciilifeform |
but, at least it promises never to substitute chair leg with sticker 'elephant' on it. |
| 00:34 |
nubbins` |
mircea_popescu fwiw the function calc_hash() in your pasted JS is the one doing the lifting |
| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
var hash = Crypto.SHA256($('#pass').val(), { asBytes: true }); |
| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
$('#hash').val(Crypto.util.bytesToHex(hash)); |
| 00:35 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> ricoletta << haw |
| 00:35 |
nubbins` |
you may be interested to paste a passphrase and in your JS console, type $('#pass').val() |
| 00:36 |
mircea_popescu |
no dragonfly here tho. |
| 00:37 |
nubbins` |
no chrome install either, i suppose? |
| 00:38 |
mircea_popescu |
heh. nope |
| 00:38 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu is on doom-playing box! |
| 00:38 |
nubbins` |
well i guess you just can't trust random web pages to generate your brainwallets ;D |
| 00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` which works just as well, as i don't, |
| 00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
HOWEVER! it would seem to me this arrangement i got is actually stronger than youze |
| 00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
because if i were to use it, and you did get my pw... you still couldn't steal my monyz ? |
| 00:39 |
nubbins` |
certainly prevents dem fundz from being stole |
| 00:39 |
nubbins` |
"best locks in the world" |
| 00:39 |
mircea_popescu |
can.not.be.opened. |
| 00:39 |
nubbins` |
"where's the keys?" "what?" |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
you still couldn't steal my monyz << reminds me of all the folks with misaligned heads on their floppy drives |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
disk would read on given unit and only there. |
| 00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform the frist time this happened, 5 inch drives, 11yo or so me & friends |
| 00:40 |
mircea_popescu |
it was fucking nuts |
| 00:40 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 00:41 |
asciilifeform |
where do you think i stepped in it. |
| 00:41 |
mircea_popescu |
we took the unit on a sneakernet see what happens at everyone's house |
| 00:42 |
nubbins` |
;;later tell punkman plz to provide complete pseudocode for deeds |
| 00:42 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 00:42 |
asciilifeform |
this happened, perhaps three or four times, to mine, same era; father took it each time to a greasemonkey in some illicit cellar; it would come back - wrapped in a filthy oilrag - aligned. |
| 00:43 |
asciilifeform |
(never saw anything but ru drives misalign.) |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'The benefits of which one cant evaluate, the drawbacks of which are certain.' >> obligatory >> http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg |
| 00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform there actually existed special allignment disks |
| 00:46 |
mircea_popescu |
you could fix the thing with a steady hand and an amp |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
greasemonkey probably had. |
| 00:46 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg << sounds familiar |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
today - i'd align the bugger myself |
| 00:46 |
asciilifeform |
it'd be a diversion. |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
quite. |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
but today, other toys. |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
familiar << because ~everyone alive has seen it ? |
| 00:47 |
mircea_popescu |
for any good definition of "alive". |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
aha. |
| 00:48 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: they were gonna launch a rocket tonight, visible from your house |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
where? |
| 00:48 |
nubbins` |
.deed http://dpaste.com/0V5CXWK.txt |
| 00:48 |
punkbot |
nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again. |
| 00:48 |
decimation |
chincoteague |
| 00:48 |
nubbins` |
oh ya, must be signed |
| 00:49 |
nubbins` |
so much for testing simple case |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
wallops island, one of the orbital rockets |
| 00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
good god this log |
| 00:49 |
ben_vulpes |
what have you been doing |
| 00:49 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes it's not as big as it seems. |
| 00:49 |
decimation |
interestingly, it uses "AJ-26" engines, which were 'commercially purchased' by usg from... the soviet moon program |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
rocket << must've missed. |
| 00:50 |
decimation |
turns out they were sitting surplus in ukraine for 30 years |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell pete_dushenski lol negatron brogrammer |
| 00:50 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 00:50 |
decimation |
now the grassfuckers in charge buy them and call it 'commercial technology' |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
eh, fire sale. |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i dropped out |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
;;calc 9234 - 8414 |
| 00:50 |
gribble |
820 |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
lines ago |
| 00:50 |
ben_vulpes |
HERE WE GO |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
we need to move off irc and onto a radio net |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
rocket << rescheduled apparently |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
grassfuckers, this is a notable innovation. |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
yeah there was a boat in the 'no-boat' box |
| 00:51 |
asciilifeform |
https://blogs.nasa.gov/orbital |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
I think they are gonna try tomorrow |
| 00:51 |
decimation |
i'm sure it will be very bright and visible if it is a clear night |
| 00:51 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation are you going to fly any pilot drones around it ? |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
not me, I'm a zek |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> it's as if we were still using teletype << funny story, biz partner bought hisself some gps chips |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
had loads of fun discovering the parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate etc |
| 00:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes no fucking way today's log is 10k |
| 00:52 |
decimation |
I bought a chip that puts out 1pps to discipline my ovenized quartz oscillator |
| 00:52 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: lol off by 10x |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate << i can recite these in my sleep now. |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
me, i mean |
| 00:53 |
decimation |
talk about ancient terminal cruft |
| 00:53 |
ben_vulpes |
wait no actually mircea_popescu u |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i always found it interesting that synchronous serial (between machines, notably) never caught on. |
| 00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> in my studies, i'm particularly interested in the 'suck' that no one even notices any more. << so relevant |
| 00:54 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: funny, we have physical virtual coins, but most money is in fact virtual physical money instead. << it's all a function of the small amounts of quantity involved. |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: it is used in golden toilet projects |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
in golden toilets, usually items like 'can bus' |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
and the .mil equivalnet |
| 00:54 |
ben_vulpes |
<Abelincoln> << that this is not <Abelincoin> should have been enough to prevent !ups |
| 00:54 |
asciilifeform |
*equivalent |
| 00:54 |
decimation |
http://us.brainboxes.com/product/cc-530/2-port-rs422-485-pci-card-up-to-15-megabaud |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
| 00:55 |
asciilifeform |
pisses out bits, does not wait for ack |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
ah I thought you meant synchronous with the clock line |
| 00:56 |
decimation |
http://jproc.ca/crypto/kit223.html << "* Ternary, Binary, (RS-232); or RS-422 " |
| 00:56 |
asciilifeform |
brainfart |
| 00:57 |
decimation |
apparently usg uses ternary serial |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
classic teletype was 2x1trit |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: instead of -----START/END OF WHATEVER------ use dedicated uncode chars <<< ftr i hate this idea. |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.) << gripping hand? |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
stop making special characters yo. it doesn't scale. |
| 00:58 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: they used some telepathic voodoo |
| 00:58 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you know what the 'third' charcter was used for? |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
in point of fact, fucking in 3some with me there IS the only really fun thing |
| 00:58 |
ben_vulpes |
tbf i forget the nuances |
| 00:58 |
mircea_popescu |
fortunately, i don't scale. |
| 00:58 |
decimation |
parsing blocks of data... |
| 00:59 |
decimation |
delimiting blocks of data I should say |
| 00:59 |
mircea_popescu |
coinchimp.com << this website tried to hump my leg. |
| 01:00 |
Duffer1 |
asciilifeform xenogenesis trilogy? |
| 01:00 |
asciilifeform |
Duffer1: aha |
| 01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
<undata> dumb; at least they knew to stay away from Django << so much to this |
| 01:00 |
ben_vulpes |
<thestringpuller> undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap though, Djanga seems more stable than say node.js << RECANT |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
djanga lol. |
| 01:01 |
mircea_popescu |
like ganja for dyslexics |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
I've tried using some of those python 'frameworks' |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
ends up in the garbage |
| 01:01 |
decimation |
there's something about trying to make one library to rule them all that attracts a certain kind of busybody |
| 01:01 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: 3^3 == 27, can now type. |
| 01:02 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: you are implying you can encode the entire alphabet evenly |
| 01:02 |
mircea_popescu |
<decimation> there's something about trying to make one library to rule them all that attracts a certain kind of busybody << word. this is EXACTLY the dynamic involved. |
| 01:02 |
* |
asciilifeform can't picture 'django' without picturing the tarantino film |
| 01:03 |
mircea_popescu |
psychologically immature fucktards trying to protect themselves from their own insecurity with the world at large. |
| 01:03 |
mircea_popescu |
BUT at least back when they were making django they weren't making systemd |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
* asciilifeform knows of only one non-retarded object system, CLOS |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
> non retarded object system |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
> common lisp |
| 01:03 |
* |
asciilifeform invites anyone, anywhere, to make this statement false |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
> not sure if trolled |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
entirely serious. |
| 01:03 |
ben_vulpes |
there's a non retarded object system? |
| 01:03 |
asciilifeform |
if i can't meta-object, it's retarded |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
and, so far, there's precisely one - where can. |
| 01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
meta object? |
| 01:04 |
ben_vulpes |
lol 2 lines down |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: on a teletype it's easy to send ternary, just add another symbol |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
!s kiczales |
| 01:04 |
assbot |
0 results for 'kiczales' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kiczales |
| 01:04 |
decimation |
traditionally they were 2-tone fsk, add another tone |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes see, parsing is not as good as compiling. |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
!s metaobject |
| 01:04 |
assbot |
0 results for 'metaobject' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=metaobject |
| 01:04 |
asciilifeform |
wtf |
| 01:04 |
mircea_popescu |
come back tomorrow ? |
| 01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
search is a day slow |
| 01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
interpreting beats compiling again |
| 01:05 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: interpreting << my cl system has no interpreter at all. |
| 01:05 |
mircea_popescu |
nubsy quits too much. why are canadians such quitters ? |
| 01:05 |
ben_vulpes |
i kid, i kid. |
| 01:06 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> major bender or something. << unlike our regular minor benders |
| 01:06 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation: why would anyone think it would be a good idea to escape chars below 7 bits? << gpg escapes the dash because it uses a dash-cvomposite as a special char. |
| 01:07 |
decimation |
yeah, I see the bind they were in |
| 01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
cvomposite - is that a cvasi composite?! |
| 01:07 |
decimation |
need to send 7-bit ascii to denote limit |
| 01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 01:07 |
mircea_popescu |
cvoopositor. |
| 01:07 |
ben_vulpes |
CvLOS |
| 01:07 |
decimation |
still, there are plenty of control characters they could have used |
| 01:08 |
decimation |
like 0x02 |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nope. |
| 01:08 |
decimation |
why not? |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: try it on your terminal / cut&paste system / www turdamatic |
| 01:08 |
ben_vulpes |
<Adlai> the GIL is good << aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
... email gizmo, bidet. |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
nah, they get wiped everywhere |
| 01:08 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 01:08 |
decimation |
yeah that's enraging |
| 01:08 |
mircea_popescu |
you can't even rely on /n staying put |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
constantly s/\r// etc |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: recall rng model 1 test ? |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
yeah lol. it even got us. |
| 01:09 |
decimation |
here's 32 control characters that you can't use. |
| 01:09 |
* |
asciilifeform digs for link |
| 01:09 |
asciilifeform |
fscking retardatrons drop chars silently |
| 01:09 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform what'd you have them do, replace it with Q ? |
| 01:10 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> yes, still for sale << fucking rob him already |
| 01:10 |
ben_vulpes |
if its so damn valuable |
| 01:10 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform it occurs to me... since it can only be picked up in person, you should trade it for sex. |
| 01:11 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 01:14 |
decimation |
so I guess the alternative is to base64 encode the patches? |
| 01:14 |
asciilifeform |
retch |
| 01:14 |
ben_vulpes |
<mircea_popescu> recoleta* << and where for the fleeing usian pauper? |
| 01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes chacarrita ? |
| 01:15 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform better idea : base-x encode, x = version number. |
| 01:16 |
ben_vulpes |
i liked belgrano, seemed modest. |
| 01:17 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes about the same place. |
| 01:17 |
decimation |
why not use ITA2 |
| 01:19 |
decimation |
if we want to be backwards compatible, might as well go back to 1920's era teletype machines |
| 01:19 |
ben_vulpes |
anyways |
| 01:19 |
ben_vulpes |
did anyone get in touch with bluematt? |
| 01:20 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes who'd go over you to do it ? an' why ? |
| 01:20 |
ben_vulpes |
well put that way |
| 01:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;gpginfo bluematt |
| 01:21 |
gribble |
Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command. |
| 01:21 |
ben_vulpes |
;;seen bluematt |
| 01:22 |
gribble |
I have not seen bluematt. |
| 01:22 |
decimation |
ben_vulpes: is the latest patch still yours? I haven't seen mention of others |
| 01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: calling that a patch is charitable - more an excision |
| 01:24 |
ben_vulpes |
and i've no idea if it's the most recent - there's no patch tracking tooling in place |
| 01:25 |
decimation |
no worries. I find the stripped-down distribution much easier to study |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
i'm studying the regtest phenomena of 0.8.whatever |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
it's glued in with the glass of the chainparams class |
| 01:27 |
ben_vulpes |
my rage is indescribeable |
| 01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
now not only must i study testnet but also this regtest thing |
| 01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
and, by proxy, chainparams. |
| 01:28 |
ben_vulpes |
it's not *so* bad, clearly. |
| 01:29 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu would have that by the act of complaining i bring down more cpp upon my own back |
| 01:31 |
decimation |
what's regtest do? |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
chain generation off network. |
| 01:31 |
ben_vulpes |
"regression testing" |
| 01:32 |
decimation |
heh |
| 01:32 |
ben_vulpes |
if you dig into chainparams and main.cpp (iirc) you'll find such joys as the "stop generating a chain after 1 block is found so that...reasons" |
| 01:32 |
decimation |
lol |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
the thing isn't actually all that impossible to reason about |
| 01:33 |
decimation |
so is 0.5.3 incompatible with the existing testnet? |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
just - find all the places in which there's a testnet mention and try to figure out how to implement an off-network chain |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
obviously the answer is a class with state safely segregated within it |
| 01:33 |
ben_vulpes |
decimation: have not yet tested, do not think that is the case. |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
well, logged up |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
i'll mail matt tomorrow |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x0A82509767C7D4A5D14DA2301AE1D35043E08E54 |
| 01:37 |
ben_vulpes |
AT ALL OF HIS EMAILS |
| 01:44 |
mircea_popescu |
<ben_vulpes> my rage is indescribeable <<< i have an intuition. |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 01:45 |
mircea_popescu |
speaking of which, is charter signed and deed'd yet ? |
| 01:49 |
hanbot |
so here's a game for y'all: http://thewhet.net/2014/illustrated/ |
| 01:50 |
mircea_popescu |
ahaha these are great! |
| 01:52 |
hanbot |
:D |
| 01:53 |
mircea_popescu |
bwahhah oh that pot. win. |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
"Feces are almost entirely deceased gut bacteria and water. I massacred my gut bacteria the day before by consuming a DIY Soylent version with no fiber and taking 500mg of Rifaximin, an antibiotic with poor bioavailability, meaning it stays in your gut and kills bacteria. Soylents microbiome consultant advised that this is a terrible idea so I do not recommend it. However, it worked. Throughout the challenge I did n |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
ot defecate." |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
im not entirely sure why this sort of idiot is being maintained on artificial life support. |
| 01:54 |
mircea_popescu |
usg, you whore of bezzleatron, you got some 'splainin to do. |
| 01:55 |
mircea_popescu |
"In lieu of showering I sprayed myself with AOBiomes custom skin bacteria blend. Body odor is caused by the emissions of proliferating skin bacteria, as unique as a fingerprint. The Nitrosomonas eutropha taking over my skin now metabolizes ammonia into odorless nitrite and nitric oxide. Success!" |
| 01:56 |
* |
asciilifeform channels BingoBoingo to suggest humane ballistic pill for sufferer described above |
| 01:56 |
thestringpuller |
Who the fuck eats Soylent with no fiber in it? |
| 01:56 |
mircea_popescu |
this idiot. |
| 01:57 |
thestringpuller |
Jesus these idiots who don't know how to feed themselves are starting to just baffle me. |
| 01:57 |
hanbot |
i don't mind idiots experimenting on themselves, but the access to podium has gotta go. |
| 01:57 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ? |
| 01:58 |
mircea_popescu |
!up petahash |
| 01:58 |
asciilifeform |
idiots experimenting on themselves << we all experiment on selves. |
| 01:59 |
asciilifeform |
writing about it - another matter |
| 01:59 |
asciilifeform |
e.g., http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824100 |
| 01:59 |
assbot |
Logged on 10-09-2014 00:36:11; asciilifeform: kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
this is not experimenting. |
| 01:59 |
mircea_popescu |
experimenting is still a term of art. |
| 02:00 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: germs are dirty; obviously he's as clean as possible |
| 02:00 |
thestringpuller |
asciilifeform: writing about it - another matter << reminds of the people who take lots of psychedelic drugs and put the doses, timeline, and effects in a journal. |
| 02:00 |
mircea_popescu |
as stupid as possible, granted. once that is granted, nothing else can further be achieved. he can't be anything "as much as possible" hence. |
| 02:00 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: alex shulgin ? |
| 02:01 |
* |
undata is waiting for the inevitable early deaths of the soylent believers |
| 02:02 |
mircea_popescu |
eh, the curse of technology. nobody fucking dies for being stupid anymore. |
| 02:03 |
undata |
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/article-2780022-1DBFAFC600000578-405_634x422.jpg << doesn't he have a bit of a weird flush to him? |
| 02:03 |
asciilifeform |
nope, the death is on instalment plan. |
| 02:03 |
BingoBoingo |
Dude's colon is going to have more yeast than a brewery |
| 02:03 |
undata |
vice looked into their "factory" and found rats and mold |
| 02:04 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls reading of 'internal brewery' disease that leaves sufferer permanently pickled |
| 02:04 |
mircea_popescu |
waitwut ?! |
| 02:04 |
undata |
asciilifeform: yeah, causes you to be drunk, right? |
| 02:04 |
asciilifeform |
there's a non-zero natural output of EtOH |
| 02:04 |
undata |
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/09/17/223345977/auto-brewery-syndrome-apparently-you-can-make-beer-in-your-gut |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
there we go. |
| 02:05 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Every now and then someone's digestive system has alcohol producing yeast become the dominant microflora |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
year after year, i wait for a report of someone bottling this beer. |
| 02:05 |
mircea_popescu |
sounds kinda unhealthy |
| 02:05 |
asciilifeform |
it is inevitable. |
| 02:05 |
BingoBoingo |
Incredibly unhealthy |
| 02:06 |
* |
mircea_popescu comes from cattle country, is proud carrier of long-selected lactoguys |
| 02:06 |
undata |
asciilifeform: ha, the gut beer? *shudder* |
| 02:07 |
undata |
but if people will drink this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak |
| 02:07 |
asciilifeform |
aha 'monkey coffee' |
| 02:07 |
asciilifeform |
well-known. |
| 02:08 |
asciilifeform |
does pediwikia have 'list of foods which are literally shit' ? |
| 02:08 |
undata |
I question anyone without an aversion to shit |
| 02:08 |
undata |
asciilifeform: almost certainly |
| 02:09 |
mircea_popescu |
undata women develop tolerance, you know. |
| 02:09 |
undata |
seems necessary |
| 02:09 |
undata |
I still question them |
| 02:10 |
undata |
reminds me of my twin sisters in diapers, cribs opposite each other in their room |
| 02:10 |
undata |
I come home from school and they've had a shit war, hurled it at each other |
| 02:10 |
BingoBoingo |
rifampicin seems like an exceedingly poor choice for a colonocaust |
| 02:10 |
undata |
I learned something about life that day. |
| 02:11 |
BingoBoingo |
Traditional used against C.Diff is normally Vancomycin |
| 02:11 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo i don't suspect the guy actually acts rationally. |
| 02:12 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: That was given when he decided to sacrifice taking healthy shits for "water" conservation. |
| 02:12 |
* |
asciilifeform read that piece, assumed this stunt was 'on a bet' or the like |
| 02:14 |
asciilifeform |
if anyone has similar bet in the future, |
| 02:15 |
asciilifeform |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722626 |
| 02:15 |
assbot |
Logged on 18-06-2014 00:35:11; Mats_cd03: after 1 no pill a day for 4 days during a field exercise, i was literally full of shit |
| 02:15 |
asciilifeform |
^ cheaper method. |
| 02:16 |
mircea_popescu |
unrelated, http://40.media.tumblr.com/e4e0d98960f22144fd64a840fc10b61b/tumblr_mi30xlcPrf1qhwfqoo1_500.jpg |
| 02:16 |
BingoBoingo |
The classes of bacteria intrisically unaffected by rifampicin includes many unpleasant members. It seems the biggest class though is enterobacteria... so named because they are often normal intestinal flora... |
| 02:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'ilsa the she-wolf' ? |
| 02:17 |
mircea_popescu |
adam robertson shot. no idea who the chick is |
| 02:18 |
mircea_popescu |
https://twitter.com/_MissMiranda < her. |
| 02:18 |
undata |
weird nostrils |
| 02:19 |
mircea_popescu |
http://36.media.tumblr.com/a732d5f00de5cd0650434edcade808f9/tumblr_n8vwreF1mK1rmrwgqo1_500.jpg << the latest in french coiffure. |
| 02:25 |
pete_dushenski |
"Arthur Levitt, the longest-serving chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is joining the advisory boards of two bitcoin-focused companies. As an adviser to Atlanta-based BitPay, a bitcoin payment processor, and Vaurum, a Palo Alto-based bitcoin exchange for institutional investors..." |
| 02:28 |
pete_dushenski |
dear cazalla http://pastebin.com/ZkaJe0fg |
| 02:29 |
asciilifeform |
incidentally, is there any alternate hypothesis re: bitpay that does not involve it being a btc intake valve for usg's 'waterfall' dumpatron? |
| 02:30 |
BingoBoingo |
;;later tell hanbot I submitted an answer to your comment que |
| 02:30 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform they didn't start as one. but anyway, either their cash runs out in a few months or it does not. |
| 02:31 |
mircea_popescu |
if it does not, the explanation available is exactly one. |
| 02:31 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
not like atlanta is crawling with rich, entrepreneurial-minded folks or anything. |
| 02:32 |
mircea_popescu |
Actually, what you really need is a platform thats a community of communities. Ideally with cleverly designed software that can handle each communitys individual epistemology (something like Moldbugs idea of factional reputation |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
dude seriously ? "moldbug's idea of the wot" ? |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
i think the one thing i can stand least about usians is not directly their ignorance, but their bald faced, undisturbedly firm conviction that being a clueless git is a-okay. |
| 02:33 |
mircea_popescu |
"what do you mean the world didn't start a day before i was born ?!?!!?!?!?!" |
| 02:35 |
BingoBoingo |
sha256 of my guess on which trilema url hanbot wrote about 86e9f3b06d8abfde4f1323725907a4c9ccb6017d7ec35250f63ba735b6edbd08 |
| 02:36 |
BingoBoingo |
md4 for people with things to do, 1ca610d4844aed110d163cdc14b987fc |
| 02:36 |
mircea_popescu |
86e9f3b06d8abfde4f1323725907a4c9ccb6017d7ec35250f63ba735b6edbd08 |
| 02:37 |
mircea_popescu |
yup, same guess. |
| 02:38 |
BingoBoingo |
K |
| 02:39 |
punkman |
http://dpaste.com/0Z5HQ2H if anyone feels like sweeping some deedbot tests |
| 02:40 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman see your pms, apparently ppl can't go from deeds to privkey ? |
| 02:41 |
punkman |
lies |
| 02:43 |
punkman |
bundle: BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ |
| 02:43 |
punkman |
sha256 of bundle: 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d |
| 02:43 |
mircea_popescu |
0.0 |
| 02:44 |
punkman |
brainwallet from exponent |
| 02:44 |
punkman |
149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64 |
| 02:44 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman incidentally, why is "brainwallet" shoehorned in there ? |
| 02:44 |
punkman |
I dont use brainwallet, just trying to generate with diff tools |
| 02:44 |
punkman |
http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/bundle/149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64 ^ matches just fine |
| 02:46 |
mircea_popescu |
how did you get 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d ? sha of the raw deed + a comma ? |
| 02:47 |
punkman |
no comma if single deed in bundle |
| 02:47 |
punkman |
just sha256 the BXZ... string |
| 02:47 |
punkman |
not sha256sum |
| 02:48 |
mircea_popescu |
uh ?! |
| 02:48 |
punkman |
errm dunno actually, does sha256sum add checksums? |
| 02:49 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#899373 |
| 02:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 03:08:02; mircea_popescu: 1st shasum ik get 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 in any case. |
| 02:50 |
punkman |
echo -n BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | sha256sum == 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d |
| 02:50 |
mircea_popescu |
wait |
| 02:51 |
mircea_popescu |
you hash the bx? how you got tht ? |
| 02:51 |
punkman |
that is a deed hash, the "lite" bundle is all the deed hashes |
| 02:51 |
punkman |
if you base58decode the deed hash, you get a sha256 hash of raw deed |
| |
↖ |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
so. you take the deed as is, and base58 it ? |
| 02:52 |
punkman |
anyway, README on the way |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
kk. |
| 02:52 |
mircea_popescu |
ima be back laters. |
| 02:55 |
adlai |
ben_vulpes | <Adlai> the GIL is good << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aadlai+the+GIL+is+good pls |
| 02:55 |
assbot |
0 results for 'from:adlai the GIL is good' - #bitcoin-assets search |
| 02:56 |
adlai |
no wonder i hate getting any sleep |
| 02:58 |
cazalla |
pete_dushenski, thestringpuller is on it |
| 02:58 |
punkman |
decimation: is there going to be a 'reset' of the state of his deed 'knapsack' over time? <- it happened a couple times during testing, hopefuly the lords will provide adequate space in the future. |
| 02:59 |
pete_dushenski |
cazalla nice :) |
| 02:59 |
punkman |
;;isup bitbet.us |
| 02:59 |
gribble |
bitbet.us is down |
| 03:00 |
punkman |
scam! |
| 03:04 |
Naphex |
i'm gonna start banning accunetix scans soon. its incredible how many "security researches" and hax0rs just try and run it all day |
| 03:05 |
Naphex |
and that damn PoS just gets stuck in the proxy's and downloading 5MB/s of data/s |
| |
~ 21 minutes ~ |
| 03:27 |
punkbot |
Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/173Scbmm |
| 03:31 |
pete_dushenski |
mircea_popescu: listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom << was reminded of this as i watched the sopranos today. |
| 03:34 |
pete_dushenski |
;;later tell asciilifeform were you looking for this the other day vis-a-vis apple-1 ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/15/forget-cpi-inflation-is-measured-with-art/ |
| 03:34 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 03:34 |
BingoBoingo |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpm6_Y7ASI << Diamonds, not quite forever |
| 03:36 |
punkman |
so quartz tube doesn't burn? |
| 03:36 |
BingoBoingo |
Not as readily as diamond |
| 03:37 |
punkman |
reminds of getting people to try burning full water bottle with lighter |
| 03:38 |
xiando |
those are syntetic diamonds so it's not quite the same as with real. diamonds are big scam (what is debears corporation?) so go with those syntetic anyway if you want to waste money on that garbage |
| 03:39 |
BingoBoingo |
Diamond is diamond. Basically just incredibly high quality coal anyway. |
| 03:45 |
pete_dushenski |
http://www.contravex.com/ << many a change later... |
| 03:46 |
pete_dushenski |
sidescrolling fixetted, new font, new header image |
| 03:47 |
pete_dushenski |
faster loading too! at the cost of mike_c's bitbet plug-in, however |
| 03:48 |
pete_dushenski |
not that it was doing much tucked below the footer of 2k+ word articles. |
| 03:49 |
pete_dushenski |
though i quite liked the look and functionality of the plugin. alas. |
| 03:51 |
pete_dushenski |
the ladies will be back on the header one day. one day! |
| |
~ 30 minutes ~ |
| 04:22 |
BingoBoingo |
!up disident |
| 04:28 |
thestringpuller |
!up dnaleor |
| 04:39 |
undata |
http://onerng.info/ |
| 04:39 |
undata |
^ thoughts, criticism? |
| 04:40 |
thestringpuller |
!up sgnb |
| 04:40 |
thestringpuller |
!up CheckDavid |
| 04:41 |
punkman |
undata: looks decent at a glance |
| 04:42 |
punkman |
do you have a specific use-case in mind? |
| 04:42 |
undata |
maybe an air-gapped wallet on raspberry pi |
| 04:43 |
undata |
dunno, just saw it on hacker news |
| 04:44 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
''Our generator makes random streams of bytes - they're generated by random quantum processes and/or thermal noise - they're don't however present a perfectly randomly distributed bit stream'' |
| 04:45 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
seems a not so random source - I'd guess its thermal noise is within a relatively narrow range |
| 04:46 |
undata |
hm, dumb |
| 04:46 |
Naphex |
http://www.issihosts.com/haveged/ |
| 04:47 |
* |
undata goes to bed |
| 04:47 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
the rf receiver noise gen is kinda cool/weird |
| 04:48 |
adlai |
"dumb"? doesn't this just mean you can treat it as providing less entropy than the number of bits it spits out? |
| 04:50 |
RagnarDanneskjol |
yes, if i understand the question |
| 04:50 |
CheckDavid |
Thanks thestringpuller |
| 04:51 |
CheckDavid |
What about throwing dice? Lol |
| 04:51 |
CheckDavid |
Or coin flipping? |
| 04:51 |
Naphex |
CheckDavid: get a server to do that soon? |
| 04:51 |
CheckDavid |
Naphex: ah I see. Must be automated right? |
| 04:51 |
Naphex |
yes |
| 04:52 |
CheckDavid |
There's not enough entropy in the regular sensors of a computer? |
| 04:52 |
Naphex |
CheckDavid: depends on how much you use |
| 04:53 |
Naphex |
for any decent cryptography work you'd need more then 200bytes available at any time |
| 04:53 |
CheckDavid |
200 bytes of entropy? |
| 04:53 |
CheckDavid |
Is it hard to generate ? |
| 04:53 |
Naphex |
so if you're running openssl it shouldn't go down below 200 bytes of available entropy |
| 04:54 |
CheckDavid |
I'm not sure how that entropy is cached or generated. |
| 04:55 |
Naphex |
on linux kernels you have the value exported through procfs /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 04:55 |
Naphex |
which gives you the amount of available entropy bytes |
| 04:55 |
Naphex |
revo ~ # cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 04:55 |
Naphex |
2023 |
| 04:56 |
Naphex |
if you're doing cryptography work (ssl, keys using randoms) and this value is below 200. you have a problem to fix, fast. |
| 04:58 |
Naphex |
this is how entropy use from /dev/random looks like on a SSL gateway (reasonable amount of connections/handshakes) |
| 04:58 |
Naphex |
https://i.imgur.com/BSbrwMC.png |
| 05:10 |
CheckDavid |
How is the problem fixed naphex? |
| 05:11 |
Naphex |
!up CheckDavid |
| 05:11 |
Naphex |
CheckDavid: you get more entropy from a generator |
| 05:12 |
CheckDavid |
I see. All I know is I use is.random to generate my random stuffs |
| 05:12 |
CheckDavid |
Lol |
| 05:12 |
CheckDavid |
*is.random() |
| 05:12 |
CheckDavid |
*os.random() |
| 05:12 |
CheckDavid |
Damn auto correct |
| 05:24 |
Naphex |
CheckDavid: well good luck with that :) |
| 05:24 |
Naphex |
hopefully your os.random is secure :)) |
| 05:30 |
CheckDavid |
I don't work in security so :) |
| 05:33 |
Naphex |
well what does your os.random() return?:P |
| 05:34 |
Naphex |
is that python os.random?:) |
| 05:35 |
Naphex |
if it is you should read the docs :) |
| 05:36 |
Naphex |
Almost all module functions depend on the basic function random(), which generates a random float uniformly in the semi-open range [0.0, 1.0). Python uses the Mersenne Twister as the core generator. It produces 53-bit precision floats and has a period of 2**19937-1. The underlying implementation in C is both fast and threadsafe. The Mersenne Twister is one of the most extensively tested random number generators in existence. However, being comple |
| 05:36 |
Naphex |
deterministic, it is not suitable for all purposes, and _and is completely unsuitable for cryptographic purposes._ |
| 05:36 |
Naphex |
the last one beeing the doozy. "and is completely unsuitable for cryptographic purposes." |
| 05:37 |
Naphex |
so thats that, no need to be in security :) |
| |
~ 1 hours 27 minutes ~ |
| 07:04 |
nubbins` |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#899950 |
| 07:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 06:51:56; punkman: if you base58decode the deed hash, you get a sha256 hash of raw deed |
| 07:05 |
nubbins` |
genesis.deed shasum: 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 |
| 07:05 |
nubbins` |
converted to b58: 2zCwsSPNidLE9aEBTx4bh6Vrv7XrmJa9fAw8o8S8wrCX |
| 07:05 |
nubbins` |
!= BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ |
| 07:12 |
punkman1 |
nubbins`: sha256 of raw genesis deed is 9c68d5c322a3f4212112c5eb1a68dffdb49d105c34256bf219581da524c90522 |
| 07:13 |
nubbins` |
http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator |
| 07:13 |
nubbins` |
according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 |
| 07:14 |
punkman1 |
you are copying it wrong then |
| 07:14 |
punkman1 |
try decoding the base64 encoded deed and hashing that |
| 07:14 |
punkman1 |
(unless that's what you did, then fuck me I gotta go check things) |
| 07:15 |
nubbins` |
decoded w/ https://www.base64decode.org/ |
| 07:15 |
punkman1 |
yeah all the copy pasting, messes with line endings |
| 07:15 |
nubbins` |
pasted result |
| 07:15 |
nubbins` |
same shasum |
| 07:16 |
nubbins` |
heading to work now, you may wanna check your code against these tools to verify everything |
| 07:16 |
nubbins` |
http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator http://lenschulwitz.com/base58 https://brainwallet.github.io/ https://www.base64decode.org/ |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 07:31 |
cazalla |
BingoBoingo, danielpbarron, you can unfollow my ugandan alter-ego, i have my own twitter now, figured might help with qntra'ing |
| 07:31 |
danielpbarron |
neato |
| 07:41 |
punkman1 |
;;later tell nubbins` according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 << that's because the CRLF line endings in the raw deed got converted to LF at some point in your process |
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| 07:41 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 07:42 |
punkman1 |
(whatever it finds in the deed pastebin, genesis deed had CRLF, others might not) |
| 07:49 |
punkman1 |
;;later tell asciilifeform http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500 < gpg has a –not-dash-escaped option pretty much made for signing patches |
| 07:49 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this. |
| 07:49 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 07:58 |
ben_vulpes |
<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ? << i have jenkins running with the blob locally, i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders |
| 07:58 |
ben_vulpes |
i'd be thrilled to see what scripts etc he wrote and how he went about the en-test-harness-ifying of the thing |
| 08:06 |
ben_vulpes |
;;later tell adlai just trolling. although concurrency...python...2015... |
| 08:06 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 08:07 |
ben_vulpes |
i doubt anyone cares for further derpage on the topic from me. |
| 08:13 |
ben_vulpes |
http://www.coindesk.com/mergertech-accepts-bitcoin-startup-sales-services/ << locals 'getting in' on the game |
| 08:14 |
ben_vulpes |
although i have a hard time imaginging which customers of a bezzletron service would touch btc. buying a loss for the taxbooks doesn't make much sense with the blackcash. |
| 08:21 |
ben_vulpes |
https://twitter.com/TheBlueMatt/status/514918359277002752 |
| 08:21 |
assbot |
"we show that if an adversary is able to review this cryptosystem, a simulator can be constructed which solves the halting problem"-ethereum |
| 08:24 |
ben_vulpes |
https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/DiabloMiner << diablod3 wrote a miner in common lisp? |
| 08:25 |
ben_vulpes |
nm fooled by github |
| 08:37 |
ben_vulpes |
$ gpg -k Corallo |
| 08:37 |
ben_vulpes |
pub 4096R/43E08E54 2011-03-06 [revoked: 2014-07-12] |
| 08:38 |
jurov |
<punkman1> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500 < gpg has a –not-dash-escaped option << lol the fine manual also says "You should not send such an armored file via email because all spaces and line endings are hashed too." |
| 08:38 |
assbot |
Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this. |
| 08:40 |
ben_vulpes |
http://gpg.nebrwesleyan.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=bluematt.me&op=vindex |
| 08:40 |
* |
ben_vulpes gives up |
| 08:41 |
danielpbarron |
!up sxejno |
| 08:41 |
ben_vulpes |
"PLEASE EMAIL ME IN CLEARTEXT KTHXBAI" |
| 08:42 |
jurov |
whoohoo: 'empty space' characters can be added to each line of cleartext, until the end of the line, without affecting the verification. |
| 08:42 |
jurov |
sauce: http://www.angelfire.com/pr/pgpf/pgpoddities.html |
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| 08:43 |
jurov |
that's prolly why dash escaped stuff is designed to survive the email |
| 08:47 |
asciilifeform |
undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review. |
| |
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| 08:48 |
asciilifeform |
onerng.info << this gizmo is interesting to me because it uses exactly one sane design decision (rf shield); resembles mine from a distance. but inside - uses every single design mistake which i rejected. to avoid 'empty words,' i will name a few. |
| 08:49 |
asciilifeform |
1) what kind of dope must one smoke to put a micro under the tin can with the analogue amp ? |
| 08:51 |
danielpbarron |
the '2' and '5' are swapped (in their dice logo) // such random! |
| 08:51 |
asciilifeform |
2) http://moonbaseotago.com/onerng/schematic.png << vendor schematic. see bottom-right-hand, 'AP3105' switching voltage-booster. it's there because 3v is not enough to run an avalanche diode. guess how the booster works? |
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| 08:51 |
asciilifeform |
(usually a 100-300kHz oscillator!) |
| 08:52 |
kakobrekla |
heh |
| 08:52 |
punkman1 |
command line deed grabber: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoinyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum |
| 08:52 |
asciilifeform |
3) the asinine RF noise sampler can be switched off. but does its tuning oscillator also switch off? |
| 08:53 |
asciilifeform |
4) is an exercise for alert reader. |
| 08:54 |
punkman |
borked url there: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum |
| 08:59 |
asciilifeform |
onerng << there are two possible explanations for the above. one is that the author simply did not stop to think. and, well - the other explanation. |
| 09:00 |
punkman |
pretty sure it's the first one |
| 09:00 |
punkman |
everyone can make hardware! arduinos! |
| 09:00 |
punkman |
"looks decent at a glance" |
| 09:03 |
bounce |
that thing is usb, meaning it gets fed 5V. what then with the boosting from 3V? |
| 09:04 |
kakobrekla |
dont blame the arduino :) |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: he boosts the 3v from the regulator. but doesn't matter. |
| 09:04 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: if you have booster, you have its switching oscillator and its harmonics... |
| 09:06 |
bounce |
sure. but the question remains, why have a booster at all? can't you run the thing off 5V directly? |
| 09:06 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: nope. |
| 09:06 |
bounce |
so you're stuck with a booster no matter what then. |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: no booster in mine. |
| 09:07 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: this is the exact reason i went with johnson noise rather than avalanche. |
| 09:09 |
asciilifeform |
i cannot venture to guess about the author's thought process. perhaps there wasn't one. |
| 09:10 |
bounce |
probably a lot of "make it work" thoughts, not so much about "make it robust against adversaries" |
| 09:13 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: he certainly devoted verbiage to 'nsa diddles rng, defend yerself' |
| 09:13 |
ben_vulpes |
i am 12 and what is this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/qa/rpc-tests/conflictedbalance.sh#L40 |
| 09:14 |
* |
ben_vulpes joins #bitcoin-dev |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: gpg has a not-dash-escaped option pretty much made for signing patches << it's broken. |
| 09:17 |
asciilifeform |
or rather: |
| 09:18 |
asciilifeform |
'You should not send such an armored file via email because all spaces and line endings are hashed too.' -- man page |
| 09:19 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: why bother checking body? instead maybe just check .patch.sig for l2 sig, and compare that to the file. |
| 09:20 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: spam control |
| 09:20 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: no reason whatsoever why anyone not in l2 should have write-access to list |
| 09:20 |
ben_vulpes |
well if sig fails l2 check... |
| 09:20 |
asciilifeform |
presumably not every message will be a patch |
| 09:20 |
jurov |
i'm just exporing the possibilities |
| 09:21 |
ben_vulpes |
ah so this list is for comms as well. |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
right now im trying to diddle with mpex a bit |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
normally it does not accept same command twice |
| 09:21 |
jurov |
i mena same clearsigned turd |
| 09:22 |
jurov |
but add aspace to clearsigned cmd, and it goes |
| 09:22 |
jurov |
no need to clearsign again |
| 09:22 |
punkman |
does that also work with GPG comments? |
| 09:22 |
jurov |
don't see why not |
| 09:23 |
punkman |
so you can replay signed commands? |
| 09:23 |
jurov |
yes |
| 09:23 |
punkman |
well that's nice |
| 09:23 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 09:23 |
jurov |
--not-dash-escaped helps with the spaces |
| 09:23 |
jurov |
but comments are tbd, thx for suggestion |
| 09:23 |
* |
asciilifeform for some reason thought there were serial numbers in mpex commands |
| 09:24 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: mircea wanted to add them |
| 09:24 |
jurov |
but it goes against means of "offline" delivery where you aren't certain stuff went through |
| 09:25 |
punkman |
you can encrypt commands to mpex key right? |
| 09:25 |
jurov |
yes mpex pubkey |
| 09:25 |
jurov |
i explained it better under the trilema article where he announced it |
| 09:26 |
punkman |
I wonder if there are any unencrypted commands in some pastebin somewhere |
| 09:27 |
jurov |
i thought only encrypted stuff can be submitted to mpex?! |
| 09:28 |
jurov |
!s jurov nixed |
| 09:28 |
assbot |
3 results for 'jurov nixed' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jurov+nixed |
| 09:28 |
ben_vulpes |
and clearsigned too |
| 09:29 |
jurov |
clearsigned first. obv now is clear that one must not ever leak |
| 09:31 |
ben_vulpes |
yes, encrypted because clearsigned as well. |
| 09:34 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: one of us must do the deed ? ... i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders << wasn't talking about the auto-builder. rather, the use of brain to evaluate patches. |
| 09:35 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: lol, missed your rtfm re: mail |
| 09:36 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: i do believe that someone in the wot must read patches, yes. |
| 09:36 |
ben_vulpes |
bluematt appears to have revoked his wot ket. |
| 09:36 |
ben_vulpes |
key* |
| 09:36 |
asciilifeform |
! |
| 09:36 |
jurov |
at least in case of statjson mpex accepts the same ecrypted blob twice. so the point is moot. |
| 09:37 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: not only read patches. judge. |
| 09:37 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: do you have the time and inclination to do this? |
| 09:38 |
ben_vulpes |
time will ebb and flow. |
| 09:39 |
jurov |
imo we can apply the same process as for patches. someone in da wot makes release, ppl sign |
| 09:39 |
jurov |
ppl will select themselves for this task |
| |
~ 36 minutes ~ |
| 10:16 |
mats_cd03 |
kakobrekla: links on log1.b-a direct to log.b-a, which is down |
| 10:16 |
kakobrekla |
too bad. |
| 10:22 |
Naphex |
"Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are right and God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand'" |
| |
~ 36 minutes ~ |
| 10:58 |
mats_cd03 |
such a tease |
| 10:58 |
mats_cd03 |
if hes not a magician what is he? inquiring minds wish to know |
| 11:13 |
ben_vulpes |
.status |
| 11:13 |
ben_vulpes |
.balance |
| 11:14 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: down for maintenance |
| 11:15 |
ben_vulpes |
ah |
| 11:15 |
punkman |
apparently I got to resend transactions manually if network fails |
| 11:15 |
punkman |
maybe some recommendations for easier wallet? |
| 11:15 |
ben_vulpes |
what are you using again? |
| 11:15 |
ben_vulpes |
electrum? |
| 11:15 |
punkman |
electrum |
| 11:17 |
Naphex |
what do you need a wallet for? |
| 11:18 |
punkman |
Naphex, bot sends transactions to notarize gpg-signed messages |
| 11:18 |
Naphex |
so why do you need a wallet? |
| 11:19 |
punkman |
to send transactions? |
| 11:19 |
Naphex |
well just sign the transactions and send em to a stable node |
| 11:20 |
punkman |
that's what electrum is doing |
| 11:22 |
Naphex |
you can use my node if you want to propagate or push |
| 11:22 |
Naphex |
i usually mantain around ~400 connections |
| 11:23 |
Naphex |
https://bitcoin.btcxchange.ro/ for https web or bitcoin.btcxchange.ro:8333 for bitcoin p2p |
| 11:24 |
ben_vulpes |
hey punkman how should deedbot be fed multiply-signed documents? |
| 11:24 |
Naphex |
https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/85.9.53.226-8333/ latency is around 37ms for P2p |
| 11:25 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: do they look any different? |
| 11:26 |
punkman |
but maybe good idea to test what happens in gnupg library |
| 11:26 |
punkman |
ben_vulpes: make me one? |
| 11:27 |
ben_vulpes |
it's left to users. |
| 11:27 |
ben_vulpes |
what i'd prefer is a text blob and detached signatures. |
| 11:27 |
ben_vulpes |
but that's not what you've got implemented. |
| 11:28 |
ben_vulpes |
some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc. |
| 11:28 |
ben_vulpes |
gets ugly. |
| 11:28 |
punkman |
it will take unencrypted but compressed messages |
| 11:28 |
punkman |
example http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/HeJW5pnfz |
| 11:29 |
ben_vulpes |
how do you get pgp to spit such out? |
| 11:30 |
punkman |
--sign instead of --clearsign |
| 11:30 |
punkman |
(plus --armor) |
| 11:30 |
ben_vulpes |
right yeah |
| 11:30 |
punkman |
also for reference, multisig msg with: gpg --clearsign -u derp -u herp |
| 11:31 |
punkman |
will test later |
| 11:32 |
punkman |
apparently not possible unless you have all the keys |
| 11:32 |
ben_vulpes |
... |
| 11:32 |
ben_vulpes |
was going to say. |
| 11:32 |
punkman |
solution towards end here: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-July/047118.html |
| 11:33 |
punkman |
is possible |
| 11:34 |
ben_vulpes |
just append each signature |
| |
~ 26 minutes ~ |
| 12:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.wired.com/2014/10/verizons-perma-cookie |
| 12:01 |
asciilifeform |
^ my isp, best isp, lol |
| 12:04 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: This is only for wireless clients correct? Though, why wouldn't they also do the same to wired customers? |
| 12:04 |
asciilifeform |
wired << afaik they do. |
| 12:04 |
TomServo |
Seems the article only mentions phones and wireless.. unless I'm missing it. |
| 12:05 |
asciilifeform |
wired also diddled, for at least some subscribers, according to rumour mill |
| 12:05 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#comment-109313 << check that shit out. |
| 12:07 |
mod6 |
Hi all, ben_vulpes and I have a new revision for the foundation charter. http://dpaste.com/16Z4M68 |
| 12:07 |
TomServo |
asciilifeform: *sings* What a wonderful woooorld... |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
mod6 ben_vulpes "This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference client." <<< maybe strike client from there ? |
| 12:10 |
mircea_popescu |
the bitcoin reference. it's a thing. |
| 12:11 |
punkman |
reference implementation perhaps |
| 12:11 |
mod6 |
ok, noted. |
| 12:11 |
mircea_popescu |
reference implementation also works |
| 12:11 |
mod6 |
i think it did say that at one point. i don't have my previous revisions handy atm. |
| 12:12 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, looks pretty good! |
| 12:12 |
mod6 |
'reference implementation' |
| 12:12 |
mod6 |
ok good deal :) |
| 12:12 |
punkman |
ok, so I think current deedbot implementation would only look at the last signature in multisig message. How should it work ideally? |
| 12:12 |
mod6 |
it looks at both and enters in a row for each? |
| 12:12 |
mod6 |
s/both/all/ |
| 12:13 |
mod6 |
*shrug* |
| 12:13 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman that sounds fine actually. |
| 12:13 |
mod6 |
ok gotta run for a bit, will be back later to continue the work on getting this thing finished. |
| 12:13 |
punkman |
ok, so last guy to sign must be in assbot wot |
| 12:14 |
punkman |
maybe I'll make it display the additional signatures somehow |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
why ? |
| 12:14 |
mod6 |
<+punkman> ok, so last guy to sign must be in assbot wot << just put this in the wiki then so we'll know |
| 12:14 |
mircea_popescu |
and how do you deal with the case where string1+siga+string2+sigb ? |
| 12:15 |
mircea_popescu |
("I like melons"signed:MP"He means lemons")signed:Freud |
| 12:15 |
punkman |
so both electrum and supybot crapped out in slightly weird way today, I'll try to get it back up by tomorrow |
| 12:16 |
punkman |
1 day and 18 hours for the first run |
| 12:18 |
* |
mircea_popescu is curious to hear details. |
| 12:19 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes: i'll do something-or-other for your foundation thing, so long as it doesn't involve actual work |
| 12:20 |
mircea_popescu |
statement of redundancy department :D |
| 12:22 |
asciilifeform |
expert elephant delivery available also! |
| 12:31 |
asciilifeform |
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/10/peak-empire-take-two.html |
| |
~ 22 minutes ~ |
| 12:54 |
undata |
asciilifeform: have you documented your rng? |
| 12:55 |
asciilifeform |
undata: the only formally published aspect so far is a set of high-res photos. but it, plus everything i have said about rng, is ten times more than enough to recreate it for a determined and impatient student. |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
!up WolfGoethe |
| 12:56 |
asciilifeform |
undata: in case this was not clear, complete design documents -and- rationales will be published (including in dead-tree form). |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
undata plus he's on the hook to document it once it actually gets made. |
| 12:56 |
mircea_popescu |
shit i gotta type faster. |
| 12:57 |
asciilifeform |
i expect that the truly serious folks won't even touch my hardware, but recreate it from spec... |
| 12:59 |
punkman |
asciilifeform: maybe someone will come up with through-hole component version? |
| 12:59 |
punkman |
I'd bake a batch |
| 12:59 |
undata |
asciilifeform: great! we await your teachings. |
| 13:00 |
jurov |
punkman do it with 99% fine zamak cover bearing "First Edition" label |
| 13:00 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: it'd be all-throughhole now if the components were actually available in that package. |
| 13:00 |
mircea_popescu |
lol fine zamak cover. why so mean |
| 13:00 |
punkman |
was partlist published in reports? |
| 13:01 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: for rng - yes! you can probably build it now. |
| 13:03 |
mircea_popescu |
partlist, quality of results summary, all sorts of things. |
| 13:04 |
asciilifeform |
gotta love the cribbing f-students - 'onerng' etc. |
| 13:05 |
asciilifeform |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900085 << for those who slept |
| 13:05 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 12:47:11; asciilifeform: undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review. |
| 13:09 |
asciilifeform |
ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, others involved with deturdification - unless you prefer emacs for this, see tools like 'xxdiff' for illuminated patches. |
| 13:10 |
mircea_popescu |
didja write teh minireview ? |
| 13:10 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: see log below linked line. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
shit listen, i'm not yet done with the day's log, gotta read it in order or else errors. |
| 13:11 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: no reason to hurry. |
| 13:11 |
mircea_popescu |
vita brevis! |
| 13:12 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: well, that - yes. |
| 13:13 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: but for sapper who hurries - brevis-er. |
| 13:17 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/is-it-better-to-have-missed-once-and-never-known-it-than-to-have-never-missed-at-all/ unrelated. |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, others: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rm_rf_upnp-asciilifeform.patch.sig << related |
| 13:19 |
asciilifeform |
^ vote of confidence |
| 13:20 |
punkman |
hah |
| 13:21 |
punkman |
oh thought you were signing rm utility, never mind |
| 13:21 |
asciilifeform |
lolno, ben_vulpes patch |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
bitcoin finally reached in 2014 the place where it would have been in 2009 had satoshi been able to find and motivate people rather than find himself desperately shooting into the public forum. |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
a better example of the problem of resource allocation can never be devised. |
| 13:24 |
mircea_popescu |
five fucking years and a horde of jackals, all because there isn't nor apparently can there be a god out there to whom you pray and who gives orders adequately. |
| 13:25 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu << i must point out that the turd's merely been chucked onto the turdlathe. no one as of yet solved anything. |
| 13:25 |
mircea_popescu |
hence 2009. |
| 13:26 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla ^ see, vex can stfu. |
| 13:27 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, a better demolition of the myth of "open source" and wikidiotarianism could also hardly be devised |
| 13:31 |
bounce |
apparently there wasn't a people person around who could find and organise the people to cook up bitcoin; needed a lone engineer to lay the ground work. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i think it's deeper than that. i doubt the job was possible at all, without an outright onslaught from metaphysics. |
| 13:32 |
mircea_popescu |
two legions of choir angels and a third column of succubi might have sufficed, then. |
| 13:32 |
punkman |
maybe it was 3 wizards and a code monkey, who's to know? |
| 13:33 |
asciilifeform |
eh, we do not yet know what suffices. because 'it' has not yet happened. |
| 13:33 |
bounce |
you shoulda been there and called up the heaven+hell agency and order the right actors for this show, eh |
| 13:34 |
mircea_popescu |
^ stan's. |
| 13:35 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i had nfi idea, at the time, and definitely would have been horrible for the role. |
| 13:36 |
mircea_popescu |
that's the problem here, you need some experience to be able to think. |
| 13:36 |
punkman |
!search bitc |
| 13:36 |
assbot |
19 results for 'bitc' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitc |
| 13:36 |
bounce |
what's this now? |
| 13:41 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu << would like to be optimistic, but we will soon see who remains motivated once the turdlathe demands actual brain cycles. right now it's target practice against paper 'opponents.' |
| 13:41 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe. |
| 13:42 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: in the sense that zapping dead ifdef's is not especially arduous. |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
mebbe. |
| 13:43 |
mircea_popescu |
i shall say mebbe again to you, if you do not appease me! |
| 13:43 |
* |
punkman is willing to work on specification at some point |
| 13:45 |
ben_vulpes |
reference client was a total fat-finger on my part |
| 13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
reference impl is correct language |
| 13:46 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: sapper trains with... |
| 13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
dynamite dildoes ? |
| 13:48 |
mircea_popescu |
"failure is a pleasure" brand |
| 13:52 |
* |
mircea_popescu signs off on that orlov piece being total idiocy. |
| 13:53 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex: i'm gonna start banning accunetix scans soon. its incredible how many "security researches" and hax0rs just try and run it all day << like five hundred times in a row, too. because who knows, maybe it changed ? |
| 13:54 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: aye, or just lots of monkeys running around shooting accunetix trying to get bug rewards lol |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda a good reason to not explicitly / publicisedly offer rewards. |
| 13:55 |
mircea_popescu |
there's about a quarter billion idiots kept alive against nature by various welfarist governments' welfare programs, who exist like shitworms, everything is either a food dispenser or nothing to them. |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
so they keep suckling on doorknobs, shit like that. |
| 13:56 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: aye. oh well i just firewall drop them after 10 accunetix hits |
| 13:56 |
Naphex |
some even change ip |
| 13:56 |
Naphex |
i mean.. |
| 13:56 |
mircea_popescu |
next thing you know you gotta wear gloves because the socialist idots have made an endless supply of doorknob droolers. |
| 13:57 |
mircea_popescu |
;;later tell pete_dushenski apparently the chaos people loved your blog. |
| 13:57 |
gribble |
The operation succeeded. |
| 13:59 |
mircea_popescu |
undata: ^ thoughts, criticism? << check it out, it's got the metal shield like asciilifeform's! |
| 14:00 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: read my turdreview |
| 14:00 |
mircea_popescu |
anyway, i'm shooting the guy an email |
| 14:02 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: lol! can't help but wonder what he'd answer. |
| 14:02 |
kakobrekla |
my bet : he wont |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu, ben_vulpse, others: loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip.tar.gz |
| 14:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla what odds you giving on that ? |
| 14:03 |
asciilifeform |
^ build, not live-fire tested yet |
| 14:04 |
kakobrekla |
;;isup bitbet.us |
| 14:04 |
gribble |
bitbet.us is up |
| 14:04 |
kakobrekla |
oh damn. |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov you gotta make that mailman thing baby, otherwise " mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, others" will become a header here. |
| 14:04 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: orlov piece being total idiocy << the most recent guest authored piece? |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo whatever asciilifeform linked earlier. something with "total base acreage", as fucking if. |
| 14:04 |
mircea_popescu |
next he can make a review of datacenters based on total board / cpu surface o.O |
| 14:05 |
mircea_popescu |
clearly, it has been stagnating for 50 years. |
| 14:05 |
TomServo |
ahaha, yes. What's your take then, as far as timeline goes? |
| 14:05 |
jurov |
mircea_popescu: sigh... you may note my occassional rant related to it |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
no i only note things i like. |
| 14:06 |
jurov |
plus, whole idea has arisen at friday, while i had busy weekend |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo you ever played civ ? |
| 14:06 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: Long ways back, yes. |
| 14:06 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov anything good ? pics of hot twinks coming ? |
| 14:06 |
jurov |
did not take photos, sry |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
TomServo you ever encountered that situation where you had a smaller island, but pushed tech, surrounded yourself with fortified mech infantry and railroaded all the firlds back when the idiots around still klonked each other with knights |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
but then 1000 years later they got their own armors and well... game over ? |
| 14:07 |
mircea_popescu |
the us is going against a twin bottleneck, both social and technological. the us born boys of today are weak, the us tech of today is dull, no more edge. like that, it can only be a brothel. |
| 14:08 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov you know, photos can be half the fun. |
| 14:09 |
mircea_popescu |
and speaking of half the fun : was at japanese restaurant yest, discovered that the eating sticks, if unbroken, make the best nipple clamps ever. chicks love them, not strong enough to hurt, strong enough to majorly enhance sensitivity. |
| 14:09 |
bounce |
hookers and blow, what more do you need? |
| 14:09 |
TomServo |
mircea_popescu: can't say I recall that exact scenario - but I see your point. Better not be another 950 years of this BS though! |
| 14:10 |
undata |
ha, love the social commentary sprinkled with courteous bdsm tips |
| 14:13 |
diametric |
https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2014/10/28/r7-2014-15-gnu-wget-ftp-symlink-arbitrary-filesystem-access |
| 14:14 |
asciilifeform |
^ mega-lulz! |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol! |
| 14:14 |
mircea_popescu |
i wonder if this one was ever exploited. |
| 14:16 |
Naphex |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2kkmj2/justcoin_is_shutting_down_withdraw_your_funds/ |
| 14:16 |
mircea_popescu |
what was that even ? |
| 14:17 |
mircea_popescu |
assbot: "we show that if an adversary is able to review this cryptosystem, a simulator can be constructed which solves the halting problem"-ethereum << that made precisely no sense. wut ?! |
| 14:17 |
rithm |
justcoin failed to read the specs on ripple |
| 14:18 |
punkman |
question is can I redirect random HTTP url to ftp:// when I detect wget |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
'If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!' |
| 14:18 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform: 1) what kind of dope must one smoke to put a micro under the tin can with the analogue amp ? <<< ahahah wut. |
| 14:18 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: look at it. there it is. |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
and 'AP3105' , kay, amateur hour. |
| 14:19 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: kitchen toilet. |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
but... "it should be ok for most usecases". |
| 14:19 |
mircea_popescu |
which is how you'll get kiled in the marketplace. if the market is 100 units, and 90 units are needed to support a well made unit, and 90 buyers could be satisfied by a shitty unit, |
| 14:20 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i posted enough re: rng that any kid could bloody well copy it. but no, must have 'improvements.' |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
if the shitty unit makes it to market first then the well made unit is never happening. |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so get on with it! |
| 14:20 |
jurov |
punkman you can check for user agent, but why? |
| 14:20 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov he's trying to put a dent in his hosting bills ? |
| 14:21 |
punkman |
jurov, to apply linked exploit |
| 14:22 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: against the f-students, we have pills. but it would be hasty to administer the pills as of yet. |
| 14:23 |
mircea_popescu |
if i have to pass another xmas w/o roast beast and cardano i'll paint you blue. |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: might have to give you one of mine. |
| 14:24 |
asciilifeform |
gentlement: patch review pleeze ? |
| 14:24 |
mircea_popescu |
just get on with it!11 exlamation points |
| 14:27 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov: but add aspace to clearsigned cmd, and it goes << where are you adding the space ? |
| 14:27 |
jurov |
in the end of STATJSON |
| 14:28 |
jurov |
read the gpg quirks i linked, it's eye opening |
| 14:28 |
mircea_popescu |
uh you telling me gpg takes "STATJSON" and "STATJSON " as validly signed by the same signature ? |
| 14:28 |
jurov |
lol 11 exlamation points.. yknow, asciilifeform is still gathering blood, sweat, bile, etc. to put into cardano software |
| 14:29 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: ichor. |
| |
~ 17 minutes ~ |
| 14:47 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov yeah, stat/statjson are not protected against replay. this, on the principle that the response being encoded anyway, the attacker needs the key to do anything useful. |
| 14:48 |
asciilifeform |
the attacker needs the key to do anything useful << unless i misunderstand, enemy can do blind replay? |
| 14:48 |
mircea_popescu |
14:16:06 mats_cd03: kakobrekla: links on log1.b-a direct to log.b-a, which is down << umm no they don't ? |
| 14:49 |
kakobrekla |
links like to whatever people link to. |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
oh, he means inside the lines |
| 14:49 |
kakobrekla |
s/like/link |
| 14:49 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, and get a blob coded to the owner's key, and now we know someone tried. |
| 14:49 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: possibly he meant 'bash' etc. |
| 14:50 |
kakobrekla |
hm? |
| 14:50 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: links |
| 14:50 |
kakobrekla |
there are log links in bash? |
| 14:50 |
asciilifeform |
kakobrekla: bash link in log |
| 14:50 |
kakobrekla |
ah |
| 15:02 |
jurov |
punkman, kakobrekla: how do you get all the public keys from gribble? |
| 15:02 |
jurov |
in assbot L1/L2 |
| 15:02 |
* |
kakobrekla doesnt. |
| 15:04 |
punkman |
I had it download the db backups every 6 hours |
| 15:05 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/justcoin-exchange-closing/ |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc. <<< used to be how mpex did ipo contracts, but it sucks. |
| 15:08 |
mircea_popescu |
now everyone signs a copy. |
| 15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
http://lessonslearned.org/sniff << not bad this |
| 15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
apparently websites can be useful even without web2.0 rounded corners javascript "design" bs. |
| 15:11 |
mircea_popescu |
actually, one should sometime do a count. |
| 15:12 |
Naphex |
so wait |
| 15:12 |
Naphex |
if justcoin is going down |
| 15:12 |
Naphex |
why is it still trading? |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
wow log finished. feels so good... |
| 15:13 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex doesn't make any sense does it. |
| 15:14 |
asciilifeform |
gentlemen: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz << includes previous |
| 15:17 |
BingoBoingo |
Naphex: Insufficient thought disorder? Maybe they hope late panic trades might be favorable to their own orders? |
| 15:18 |
Naphex |
why would anyone give a shit to trade on a burning down closing exchange |
| 15:18 |
Naphex |
just get your funds out and move out |
| 15:19 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe you've not met the bitcoin crowd yet ? |
| 15:19 |
Naphex |
some fruad suspected |
| 15:20 |
Naphex |
related to some altcoin ripple run shit on your server hack |
| 15:22 |
asciilifeform |
no more turdmeister broadcast receiver! |
| 15:22 |
Naphex |
turdmeister broadcast receiver? |
| 15:23 |
asciilifeform |
!s nixing alert |
| 15:23 |
assbot |
1 results for 'nixing alert' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nixing+alert |
| 15:25 |
Naphex |
asciilifeform: so that's what alert disabled? |
| 15:26 |
asciilifeform |
no reason at all why a true bitcoind ought to take direct orders from the turdation... |
| 15:26 |
mircea_popescu |
re the "how to start your own country" thing, the opening model is so fucking braindamaged it curls my hairs. |
| |
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| 15:27 |
mircea_popescu |
is there anything actually intelligent in here or am i throwing it away ? |
| 15:27 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes. |
| |
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| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
no but seriously, groups split off at that point when carrying the food (where ? they were fucking nomadic anyway) cost as much energy as the food provided ? |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
the sexual castration of us puritans is making them stupid i swear. |
| 15:28 |
mircea_popescu |
individuation is a sexual, not an economical phenomenon. |
| 15:30 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando hey, help me out here, what's that ancient chinese tale of the young man who found a young woman, and they fell in love, and they wished to be alone in the world ? so they suddenly were! and then wished for a cook, and suddely a cook appeared, and then kept wishing and soon enough were back at home ? |
| 15:30 |
asciilifeform |
strauss has 'zoological' data not available elsewhere, afaik. |
| 15:31 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yeah, but my fear is, how much can be trusted in the "data" of someone so fundamentally confused. can one who can't count keep a useful count of anything ? |
| 15:31 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: next you'll be asking about herodotus |
| 15:31 |
Naphex |
asciilifeform: so did you remove the fork alerts as well or just the alert-keying system? |
| 15:32 |
mircea_popescu |
i guess since im reading this under protest im gonna adnotate it. |
| 15:33 |
asciilifeform |
Naphex: keyed. -- and, you know, you can read the fscking code. |
| 15:33 |
asciilifeform |
not rocket surgery! |
| 15:34 |
Naphex |
asciilifeform: didn't quite pick up that turdmeister alert snip was a bitcoin patch to check it:) |
| 15:34 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform he has a point tho. what happens if there's a fork ? |
| 15:35 |
asciilifeform |
dear glubb, read it |
| 15:35 |
Naphex |
i kept the alert system, don't have much problem with it and can easily be disabaled. |
| 15:36 |
Naphex |
but thats what i want for my core servers really. don't run walleting software on them |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform to reprhrase. "what should happen, if there's a fork" |
| 15:36 |
Naphex |
but i do want them to shut down in many cases and prevent any integrity breaches |
| 15:36 |
Naphex |
the chain will still be there |
| 15:36 |
Naphex |
for me to restart |
| 15:36 |
mircea_popescu |
Naphex the problem with this approach is that well, false security. |
| 15:37 |
Naphex |
how is it false security? |
| 15:37 |
Naphex |
it's not false security |
| 15:38 |
Naphex |
you run the route nodes to sync the data and keep a chain |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
well, not in itself, but if you end up relying on it then yeah |
| 15:38 |
Naphex |
you then run secondary nodes with spv to ease that data and make it more usefull |
| 15:38 |
Naphex |
if anything corrupts the main chain, the spv will pick it up |
| 15:38 |
mircea_popescu |
so if you run all this why'd you want random idiot to turn off your whole infrastructure whenever ? |
| 15:38 |
Naphex |
the main chain(fed from the trusted nodes) |
| 15:39 |
Naphex |
mircea_popescu: the nodes are all synced, the only thing he turns off is the ability to receive new transactions |
| 15:39 |
Naphex |
and thats pretty short, i can recompile it and restart it with alerts disabled in under 10mins |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
nevertheless. |
| 15:39 |
mircea_popescu |
we're discussing different things here. |
| 15:39 |
Naphex |
so thats not a huge downtime, alerts get notified and keyd so email all the rest |
| 15:39 |
asciilifeform |
ability to receive new transactions << and gavin should have the nuclear button for this why? |
| 15:40 |
Naphex |
temporary, be right back |
| 15:40 |
mircea_popescu |
it's unsanitary. that damned key is probably how he got his asshole extended in the first place. |
| 15:41 |
asciilifeform |
unsanitary << exactly. and, thus far, we are - sanitars. |
| 15:44 |
jurov |
http://mineforeman.com/2014/09/24/how-i-accidentally-hacked-the-igot-exchange/ |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 15:46 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo ^ qntra ? |
| 15:46 |
BingoBoingo |
I'll look at it |
| 15:47 |
asciilifeform |
anyone willing to review patches - read, ponder, sign. jurov can dump it all in turdatron later. |
| 15:48 |
asciilifeform |
also, am i the only one here with a pair of shears? get snipping. |
| 15:49 |
asciilifeform |
plenty of unambiguous garbage left. |
| |
~ 15 minutes ~ |
| 16:04 |
nubbins` |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900057 |
| 16:04 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 11:41:26; punkman1: ;;later tell nubbins` according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 << that's because the CRLF line endings in the raw deed got converted to LF at some point in your process |
| 16:04 |
nubbins` |
^ CRLF line endings o.O |
| 16:05 |
nubbins` |
unless we've all suddenly decided to nominate Windows as the OS of choice, \r\n should not be within a thousand feet of this thing :D |
| 16:05 |
punkman |
it doesn't discriminate, whatever you feed it |
| 16:06 |
nubbins` |
it should replace \r\n with \n |
| 16:06 |
punkman |
original genesis deed had LF, dunno when they got in there, probably some text editor |
| 16:06 |
nubbins` |
otherwise how the fuck is anyone using anything other than Windows going to be able to verify deeds? |
| 16:06 |
punkman |
base64 was there for a reason |
| 16:06 |
punkman |
check out the one liner |
| 16:07 |
nubbins` |
one liner? |
| 16:08 |
asciilifeform |
which one of the chairmen runs winblows? fess up |
| 16:09 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 16:09 |
nubbins` |
SPEAK NOW |
| 16:09 |
nubbins` |
but srsly, \r\n --> \n going forward |
| 16:10 |
nubbins` |
do a regex replace, w/e, don't care |
| 16:10 |
nubbins` |
must be done |
| 16:10 |
punkman |
not rly |
| 16:10 |
nubbins` |
yes rly |
| 16:10 |
nubbins` |
it's a line of code |
| 16:11 |
ben_vulpes |
asciilifeform: scissors? no. time today? perhaps. |
| 16:11 |
nubbins` |
otherwise you're essentially throwing up a huge "FUCK YOU" to all of us not using winblows |
| 16:12 |
asciilifeform |
bad enough that satoshi used (or convincingly pretended to use) it. i will not be signing anything of substance authored by a winblows user. cannot presume that he has sole control of his key. |
| 16:13 |
asciilifeform |
if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why. |
| 16:13 |
nubbins` |
imagine every time you wanted to verify a deed, having to manually swap \r\n with \n |
| 16:13 |
nubbins` |
or having to check both versions because the deed could be using either |
| 16:13 |
nubbins` |
nightmare |
| 16:13 |
mod6 |
windows? not me. i've done all my editing in vim |
| 16:14 |
mod6 |
i don't own or use a single windows machine, and proud to have not for /years/ |
| 16:14 |
nubbins` |
mod6 HIGH FIVE |
| 16:14 |
mod6 |
^5 |
| 16:16 |
chetty |
I like the idea you know someone is using a potential bad key because ot that problem |
| 16:16 |
asciilifeform |
known users of kitchen toilets. |
| 16:17 |
asciilifeform |
quite elementary. |
| 16:17 |
chetty |
asciilifeform, not the most elegant way of putting it but you make a point |
| 16:18 |
ben_vulpes |
what precisely had \r\n? |
| 16:18 |
* |
ben_vulpes runs macos - admitted turd, but not windows |
| 16:20 |
mike_c |
what about /deed/asldkfjalsdkfgj/RAW/ that has raw message. |
| 16:20 |
mike_c |
and you can wget and not worry about line endings |
| 16:21 |
asciilifeform |
this thead is about things that must not be born, regardless of how easily killed. |
| 16:21 |
asciilifeform |
problems of provenance. |
| 16:21 |
asciilifeform |
!s monolith |
| 16:21 |
assbot |
12 results for 'monolith' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=monolith |
| 16:22 |
mike_c |
whether or not you trust something signed by a windows user has little to do with deedbot. |
| 16:22 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: wanna keys from the therealbitcoin.org bucket? to publish the charter and provisional list of patches |
| 16:22 |
mike_c |
having deedbot muck up the message it is given seems retarded. |
| 16:22 |
asciilifeform |
or, more pertinently, it does not matter that a cockroach is easy to crush. you don't want ten, nine, or one - in kitchen |
| 16:22 |
jurov |
unless you unanimously decided it will go elsewhere |
| 16:23 |
ben_vulpes |
jurov: sorry, don't understand the question |
| 16:23 |
punkman |
any interest in bot that announces key expiries and revocations in channel? |
| 16:23 |
mike_c |
yeah, ok, so we won't run deedbot on windows. what does this have to do with it mucking up messages it is given? |
| 16:23 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes genesis deed has \r\n |
| 16:23 |
ben_vulpes |
ho ho ho |
| 16:24 |
ben_vulpes |
not a chair problem tho |
| 16:24 |
ben_vulpes |
? |
| 16:24 |
asciilifeform |
eh i might have stepped in wrong thread. but even so, where does cr-lf come from if no winblows in the loop? |
| 16:24 |
nubbins` |
ben_vulpes someone's chair ;) |
| 16:24 |
mike_c |
from the person submitting the deed is my understanding. |
| 16:24 |
nubbins` |
asciilifeform ask punkman i guess |
| 16:24 |
nubbins` |
i assumed he was using windows |
| 16:24 |
punkman |
genesis deed not signed on windows |
| 16:24 |
jurov |
ben_vulpes: to upload files and publish then to web |
| 16:25 |
punkman |
the house does have some windows though |
| 16:25 |
nubbins` |
however it happened, there's \r\n |
| 16:25 |
ben_vulpes |
oh! |
| 16:25 |
nubbins` |
and it would be extremely important to convert all \r\n to \n when publishing deeds. |
| 16:25 |
ben_vulpes |
yes sure that would be useful indeed. |
| 16:25 |
mike_c |
no, it wouldn't.. |
| 16:26 |
nubbins` |
it would be extremely convenient for non-windows users |
| 16:26 |
nubbins` |
same thing, n'est pas? ;D |
| 16:26 |
mike_c |
to have a list of ways the deed that deedbot is given is modified before publishing? |
| 16:26 |
mike_c |
this is silly. |
| 16:26 |
mike_c |
it shouldn't fuck with the message at all. |
| 16:26 |
nubbins` |
silly is not being able to verify deeds because they use retarded EOL |
| 16:27 |
punkman |
it just pushes bytes around indeed |
| 16:27 |
mike_c |
so don't copy/paste. |
| 16:27 |
nubbins` |
how the fuck else am i gonna verify, transcribe by hand? |
| 16:27 |
mike_c |
i just said. have /deed/adsfas/RAW/ |
| 16:27 |
ben_vulpes |
just reject crlf |
| 16:27 |
mike_c |
surely you have wget on ur l33t box. |
| 16:27 |
punkman |
curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2iLY | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum |
| 16:28 |
punkman |
but yes some raw url will be added |
| 16:33 |
xanthyos |
if i donate to startcoin i can get a free sterlingcoin cryptocurrency card! |
| 16:34 |
xanthyos |
Sterlingcoin is The Cryptocurrency of the UK & British Isles. << didn't realize btc was geographically limited |
| 16:35 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> ^ CRLF line endings o.O <<< |
| 16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
<nubbins`> it should replace \r\n with \n << it's cant, gpg sig'd |
| 16:36 |
punkman |
actually gpg doesn't care |
| 16:36 |
mircea_popescu |
o yes it does. |
| 16:36 |
punkman |
no genesis deed was LF, but deedbot got CRLF version and it passed |
| 16:37 |
mircea_popescu |
try feeding a \r\n blob to a linux version |
| 16:37 |
punkman |
it's in the manual, pretty sure |
| 16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<asciilifeform> if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why. << it's a wot thing. does not matter one rat's ass what anyone thinks of it as long as you got a policy you thought out and are sticking to. |
| 16:38 |
mircea_popescu |
<mike_c> and you can wget and not worry about line endings << somebody's not read the log :D |
| 16:39 |
asciilifeform |
sticking to it << i will. but curious whether it makes sense to the rest of you. |
| 16:39 |
nubbins` |
:S |
| 16:39 |
mircea_popescu |
i can see it. |
| 16:39 |
jurov |
<mircea_popescu> o yes it does.<< same thing as spaces in the end of lines, you did not get it |
| 16:39 |
jurov |
line endings do not go into sig |
| 16:40 |
jurov |
unless –not-dash-escaped option |
| 16:40 |
asciilifeform |
option << which b0rks other things |
| 16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov what i meant on this instance was that pasting dos text in linux gpg results in double line breaks and an unprocessable inpuit. |
| 16:40 |
punkman |
openpgp spec says normalize to CRLF I think |
| 16:40 |
mircea_popescu |
generally tho, the concept of "line" should not exist for gpg. |
| 16:41 |
asciilifeform |
we're paying and paying for the glass tty era, yes. |
| 16:41 |
punkman |
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880 |
| 16:41 |
punkman |
"The signature is calculated over the text data with its line endings converted to <CR><LF>." |
| 16:46 |
nubbins` |
gross |
| 16:48 |
mircea_popescu |
more reasons to reimplement pgp |
| 16:48 |
asciilifeform |
as if we ever were short on reasons! |
| 16:49 |
hanbot |
BingoBoingo wd, answered |
| 16:50 |
nubbins` |
"standard CRLF line endings" |
| 16:50 |
nubbins` |
who the fuck wrote this |
| 16:51 |
punkman |
"Also, any trailing whitespace -- spaces (0x20) and tabs (0x09) -- at the end of any line is removed when the cleartext signature is generated." |
| 16:51 |
punkman |
so there's a lot of ways to make dupe deeds |
| 16:51 |
asciilifeform |
who the fuck wrote this << lost souls |
| 16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` it's the "standard" tho. |
| 16:52 |
mircea_popescu |
it stays with gpg in about the same reason bitcoin stands with the derpitude coming out of the scamdation. |
| 16:53 |
punkman |
" As with binary signatures on text documents, a cleartext signature is calculated on the text using canonical <CR><LF> line endings." << wtf does this mean |
| 16:53 |
asciilifeform |
this is the kind of thing that will die because it must, and because we have blasters. |
| 16:53 |
mircea_popescu |
nothing. |
| 16:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#774692 |
| 16:54 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.) |
| 16:56 |
chetty |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/11192385/Sex-with-21-women-lowers-risk-of-prostate-cancer-academics-find.html |
| 16:56 |
asciilifeform |
chetty: correlation/causation crapolade. |
| 16:57 |
asciilifeform |
!s grow taller |
| 16:57 |
assbot |
3 results for 'grow taller' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=grow+taller |
| 16:57 |
chetty |
yeah but now you guys have another excuse |
| 16:57 |
chetty |
just like I found one that consuming chocolate is good for memory :) |
| 17:07 |
BingoBoingo |
<chetty> just like I found one that consuming chocolate is good for memory :) << No, people with better memory just remember chocolate === good |
| 17:10 |
chetty |
what passes for science these days connects dots that don't even exist, but I got to admit sometimes the answers they come up with are fun |
| 17:11 |
mircea_popescu |
how about having sex with 21 chocolates ? |
| 17:12 |
chetty |
messy |
| 17:13 |
asciilifeform |
iirc, chocolate plays important role in the lives of zoophiliacs... |
| 17:13 |
mircea_popescu |
wut ?! |
| 17:14 |
asciilifeform |
wut << bait |
| 17:25 |
BingoBoingo |
https://i.imgur.com/d2f3xmw.png << Purported SEC letter to CEX.io/Ghash.io |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/ |
| 17:25 |
mircea_popescu |
not signed ? |
| 17:26 |
mircea_popescu |
link them to mine, tell them that's how it's done. |
| 17:27 |
BingoBoingo |
Found on reddit, so harder to tell if authentic. Fucking Amateurs! |
| 17:35 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu reads books linearly, lol. choked on the alchemy, missed the chemistry. (2nd half of item.) |
| 17:35 |
mircea_popescu |
gimme an offset ? |
| 17:37 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: 'case histories' pp. 51 |
| 17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/e05942fb8be37747399f8b05b0e0398e/tumblr_n9x5cgrCxJ1th1e66o1_250.gif |
| 17:37 |
mircea_popescu |
ty. |
| 17:40 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: actually, very little chemistry, it's really a history of 'alchemists' - if that weren't clear |
| 17:41 |
BingoBoingo |
So Jstor is now following the #bitcoin-assets lead http://daily.jstor.org/ |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform mkay, so i got as far as page 67. i fail to see why any of this drivel is either important or useful, and especially the conflation of "country" and "territory" seems idiotic. |
| 17:53 |
mircea_popescu |
this is no chemistry. |
| 17:54 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: alchemy. whose fault is it that the entire field consisted of it. afaik. (any successful micro-sovereigns in 20th c? of the ab initio variety) |
| 17:54 |
mircea_popescu |
heh, i missed the important line ;/ |
| 18:01 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Other than Sealand and the Hutt River Principality... I don't know of any that really come close. |
| 18:02 |
TheNewDeal |
mp are you reading that buchanan book? |
| 18:02 |
mircea_popescu |
TheNewDeal http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/ |
| 18:05 |
TheNewDeal |
Ahh... was thinking of some blog someone posted the other day. |
| 18:06 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla:my bet : he wont << you lost btw, |
| 18:06 |
kakobrekla |
so what does he say? |
| 18:07 |
TheNewDeal |
And for the record : this was a joke directed at mikayla, and two lines later I stated I was only kidding "19:29:01TheNewDeal:Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm" |
| 18:08 |
mircea_popescu |
both answered, buncha stuff, seem reasonable enough guys. i sent them a link to webirc |
| 18:09 |
cazalla |
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#comment-109313 << check that shit out. <<< how do you know it's not his wife but him.. "not a bad guy" |
| 18:09 |
cazalla |
seems i drank too much last night and abused some people on twitter |
| 18:09 |
mircea_popescu |
i have no idea, it could be anyone. after all, woman's not in the wot. |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
cazalla do i have to fire you now because sjw outrage ? |
| 18:10 |
cazalla |
qntra is not big enough for people to demand my head but i'm sure that will happen in time |
| 18:10 |
mircea_popescu |
or else we lose all our advertisers ? |
| 18:11 |
cazalla |
don't forget that i will capitulate and apologise |
| 18:11 |
mircea_popescu |
or maybe the asswipes get to learn that they're being done a favour by being allowed to advertise, not the other fucking way around. |
| 18:12 |
mircea_popescu |
too much sjw-ing, too little abject prostration in thanks they've somehow not been killed yet, for no apparent reason. |
| 18:13 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/3ae84b4671fbf6230b8b6a280badce59/tumblr_n6ww4xEcnY1t3oijno5_500.png << american psycho! |
| 18:20 |
TheNewDeal |
is she about to shit on that dude's face? |
| 18:23 |
cazalla |
TheNewDeal, something is protruding from that area |
| 18:23 |
TheNewDeal |
can neither confirm not deny? |
| 18:23 |
cazalla |
btw bottom left, xbox 360 |
| 18:30 |
mircea_popescu |
i think there's some diddling involved |
| 18:44 |
kakobrekla |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU |
| 18:45 |
kakobrekla |
>Antares Rocket explodes |
| 18:45 |
TheNewDeal |
this happen today? |
| 18:45 |
kakobrekla |
looks like it; http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
ya |
| 18:45 |
mircea_popescu |
seems decimation flew a drone there anwyay! |
| 18:45 |
TheNewDeal |
"Main engines at 108%" |
| 18:47 |
dub |
boosh |
| 18:47 |
kakobrekla |
just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board." |
| 18:47 |
TheNewDeal |
could have been the first bitcoin node in space? |
| 18:48 |
TheNewDeal |
asciilifeform wtf is this http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2 |
| 18:48 |
nubbins` |
hi again |
| 18:50 |
artifexd |
!s openrng |
| 18:50 |
assbot |
0 results for 'openrng' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=openrng |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
hm, search be parsing downed pilots |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
errr |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
i mean logs. |
| 18:51 |
artifexd |
http://onerng.info/ << asciilifeform: Your thoughts on this project would be appreciated |
| 18:51 |
kakobrekla |
downed logs of downed pilots |
| 18:52 |
kakobrekla |
artifexd : see log1. |
| 18:52 |
kakobrekla |
discussed earlier |
| 18:52 |
cazalla |
fkn andreas |
| 18:52 |
artifexd |
kakobrekla: Will do. Thanks. |
| 18:56 |
ben_vulpes |
apropos only of rockets |
| 18:56 |
ben_vulpes |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGVi_rMFGw |
| 18:56 |
ben_vulpes |
the throttling! |
| 18:57 |
BingoBoingo |
I call dibs on the USG Bezzel Rocket explodes qntra piece! |
| 19:01 |
kakobrekla |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 19:01 |
gribble |
qntra.net is down |
| 19:02 |
TheNewDeal |
;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com |
| 19:02 |
gribble |
log1.bitcoin-assets.com is down |
| 19:02 |
TheNewDeal |
fuckfaces |
| 19:02 |
* |
kakobrekla hears fan slowing down due to increased shit intake |
| 19:02 |
BingoBoingo |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/usg-bezzel-rocket-explodes/ |
| 19:03 |
jurov |
what's the avg volume of the ddos? |
| 19:03 |
TheNewDeal |
http://dpaste.com/2AFFMTJ |
| 19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup qntra.net |
| 19:03 |
gribble |
qntra.net is up |
| 19:03 |
mircea_popescu |
what is this scam. |
| 19:03 |
TheNewDeal |
Posted todays logs up until a few minutes ago |
| 19:05 |
mircea_popescu |
!s daily |
| 19:05 |
assbot |
429 results for 'daily' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=daily |
| 19:05 |
jurov |
kakobrekla: if it isn't terabytes, i can try setting up amazon cdn for you |
| 19:06 |
kakobrekla |
for bitbet im already waiting new boxen delivery |
| 19:06 |
BingoBoingo |
As matter of record I would like to advance as evidence Google News sucks the point the WKMG in Orlando was the only hit for the term "Nasa Explosion" within the past 12 hours. |
| 19:06 |
kakobrekla |
logs - anyone can host - i have an interface for that. |
| 19:07 |
jurov |
olay, let's try it with logs |
| 19:07 |
kakobrekla |
;;ident jurov |
| 19:07 |
gribble |
Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is identified as user 'jurov', with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None |
| 19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform sat in traffic jam, waited for rocket, didn't see it - then read #b-a and found live camfeed of it burning |
| 19:09 |
* |
asciilifeform watched that instead |
| 19:10 |
kakobrekla |
:D |
| 19:10 |
asciilifeform |
log dead ? |
| 19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov Oct 21 16:41:51 <mircea_popescu>kakobrekla : i see your lulz and raise you my lulz. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-bw.png << it's there. |
| 19:12 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform log1 is up. |
| 19:12 |
kakobrekla |
;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com |
| 19:12 |
gribble |
log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up |
| 19:12 |
kakobrekla |
hrm |
| 19:13 |
artifexd |
!isup trilema.com |
| 19:13 |
kakobrekla |
doesnt open here |
| 19:13 |
asciilifeform |
dead here |
| 19:13 |
artifexd |
;;isup trilema.com |
| 19:13 |
gribble |
trilema.com is up |
| 19:13 |
artifexd |
Hmm |
| 19:13 |
asciilifeform |
also dead here. |
| 19:13 |
artifexd |
Yeah. Trilema isn't working from here. |
| 19:14 |
kakobrekla |
gribble is drunk |
| 19:15 |
mircea_popescu |
lies! |
| 19:15 |
TheNewDeal |
I'm not getting trilema either |
| 19:16 |
TheNewDeal |
probably just canada with their cups and strings internet |
| 19:17 |
bounce |
openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh. |
| 19:17 |
asciilifeform |
crypto gear << yes, they use block cipher. (at least, this was officially proclaimed at one point. used to be DES, even. not sure about today) |
| 19:18 |
mircea_popescu |
uhm. i have no idea. anyone unable to load it, pastebin your dig response ? |
| 19:18 |
artifexd |
dig response? |
| 19:19 |
kakobrekla |
http://dpaste.com/0TAM4YV.txt |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
so does 23.235.235.243 load ? |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
nope |
| 19:19 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 19:20 |
kakobrekla |
indeed - no. |
| 19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
PING 23.235.235.243 (23.235.235.243) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 23.235.235.243: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=273 ms etc. |
| 19:20 |
mircea_popescu |
how about that ? |
| 19:20 |
kakobrekla |
ping works |
| 19:21 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce> openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh. << Not many actual uses of them in the first place. |
| 19:22 |
bounce |
linux loves 'em to bits |
| 19:23 |
BingoBoingo |
Looking into actual uses of them in ports it seems HP bios reflash utility was one of few examples. |
| 19:24 |
BingoBoingo |
!up gabriel_laddel |
| 19:26 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Reading comments on different articles about the change everyone with a linux background seems conviced OpenBSD is shooting itself, when really there's different ways to make machines do things. |
| 19:28 |
asciilifeform |
http://pastebin.com/36RbKjPp << dig |
| 19:28 |
mircea_popescu |
that'd be correct. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi idea why anyone'd not be able to get to it. esp if it pings ok. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
Load Averages: 0.55 0.41 0.65 << the server is neither under heavy load nor actually split from teh interwebs. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isdown trilema.com |
| 19:29 |
gribble |
Error: "isdown" is not a valid command. |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup trilema.com |
| 19:29 |
gribble |
trilema.com is up |
| 19:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no, srsly ?! |
| 19:30 |
kakobrekla |
no worky |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
| 19:30 |
mircea_popescu |
well this is an entirely new one. |
| 19:30 |
asciilifeform |
not a dns diddle either |
| 19:31 |
BingoBoingo |
BGP being messed with? |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
and it's not the firewalls either. |
| 19:31 |
mircea_popescu |
do you all have a broken implementation of syn cookiues maybe ?! |
| 19:31 |
kakobrekla |
ddos protektSON |
| 19:33 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.coindesk.com/crypto-2-0-companies-rebuff-sec-crackdown-rumors/ << OMG Coinfire vs. CoinDesk showdown. |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 19:33 |
mircea_popescu |
you know they lied, you read it here what, a week ago ? |
| 19:34 |
BingoBoingo |
Eh, lied mislead... strong signatures could have made all of the difference. |
| 19:34 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.coindesk.com/senator-shumer-dark-web-fight << mega-lol |
| 19:35 |
jurov |
tcptraceroute trilema.com 80 results: http://pastebin.com/XWCKY1FE |
| 19:37 |
asciilifeform |
can reach here, with almost total packet loss |
| 19:38 |
xanthyos |
http://gyazo.com/6f0f948438a00594bc623cbb8d97723d |
| 19:38 |
mircea_popescu |
why the fuck am I able to get through to it no problem ? |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up petahash |
| 19:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up elementofone |
| 19:40 |
elementofone |
hi everyone |
| 19:41 |
petahash |
hola |
| 19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Hi elementofone |
| 19:41 |
elementofone |
whats up |
| 19:41 |
BingoBoingo |
Not NASA... |
| 19:42 |
asciilifeform |
meowmix. |
| 19:42 |
elementofone |
meow meow meow |
| 19:42 |
petahash |
friendly panda |
| 19:42 |
elementofone |
my cat loves meowmix |
| 19:42 |
mircea_popescu |
lol what did that rocket fall on anyway |
| 19:43 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Well pieces prolly cover a good area around the pad. Made it up a bit before going boom. |
| 19:43 |
ben_vulpes |
!down elementofone |
| 19:47 |
ben_vulpes |
!up elementofone |
| 19:47 |
ben_vulpes |
what's your question, elementofone? |
| 19:47 |
elementofone |
how much does 1 million$ equal in bitcoin? |
| 19:48 |
elementofone |
is there a dollar to bitcoin ratio on bitcoin? |
| 19:48 |
mircea_popescu |
maybe a few k's, if you're lucky. |
| 19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
... |
| 19:48 |
ben_vulpes |
;;calc 1000000 / [ticker --last] |
| 19:48 |
gribble |
2808.19994384 |
| 19:48 |
elementofone |
BEFORE YOU BAN ME |
| 19:49 |
elementofone |
IS THERE A BITCOIN STARTERS GUIDE OUT THERE? |
| 19:49 |
ben_vulpes |
ya keep going please. |
| 19:49 |
ben_vulpes |
what are you looking to learn? |
| 19:49 |
elementofone |
TO LEARN ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOUT BITCOIN YO |
| 19:49 |
elementofone |
I KNOW NOTHING OF BITCOIN |
| 19:49 |
elementofone |
JUST GIVE ME A LINK AND I WILL READ IT THEN BAN ME OK =) |
| 19:50 |
mircea_popescu |
read the log. http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com |
| 19:50 |
asciilifeform |
bot |
| 19:50 |
elementofone |
whats a pussy bot going to do? |
| 19:50 |
petahash |
check out preev.com |
| 19:50 |
petahash |
its based on the exchange rate |
| 19:50 |
elementofone |
WHATS A GOOD FUCKING WAY TO START BITCOIN? |
| 19:50 |
petahash |
turn off caps |
| 19:50 |
elementofone |
fine |
| 19:50 |
elementofone |
so 1 dollar equals 353 bitcoins? |
| 19:51 |
BingoBoingo |
!down elementofone http://buttcoinfoundation.org |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
1 dollar equals, more or less, nothing. |
| 19:51 |
mircea_popescu |
rounded to the closest cent. |
| 19:51 |
petahash |
1 bitcoin = $356 USD |
| 19:51 |
ben_vulpes |
;;ident petahash |
| 19:51 |
gribble |
Nick 'petahash', with hostmask 'petahash!~petahash@d173-183-96-243.bchsia.telus.net', is not identified. |
| 19:53 |
petahash |
? |
| 19:54 |
danielpbarron |
the exploded nasa thing was carrying "crypto equipment" according to CNN |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
a well. |
| 19:54 |
petahash |
link? |
| |
↖ |
| 19:54 |
mircea_popescu |
it's in teh log lol. |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
22:47:16 |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla: |
| 19:55 |
mircea_popescu |
just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board." |
| 19:56 |
BingoBoingo |
danielpbarron: Text source or details? Kind of assumed golden toilet crypto equiptment goes to space for both sides so the USians and Ruskies can plot on the subject of stabbing the other faction first in case relations become sour... |
| 19:57 |
danielpbarron |
i saw it on the tv in a bar |
| 19:57 |
danielpbarron |
and thought, "it's not every day i see the word 'crypto' on tv" |
| 19:58 |
danielpbarron |
not that i watch much tv |
| 20:00 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96} |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2014#900810 << incidentally, can anyone see that ? |
| 20:01 |
assbot |
Logged on 28-10-2014 23:54:38; petahash: link? |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
duh. so assbot can see it. |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
>We're sorry for the confusion, it does appear that this was an inbound attack and we've removed the block on your server. I've also given you a $10 credit as an apology for the inconvenience. |
| 20:01 |
kakobrekla |
lol! |
| 20:01 |
mircea_popescu |
http://qntra.net |
| 20:01 |
assbot |
Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
http://trilema.com |
| 20:02 |
assbot |
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform artifexd kakobrekla srsly can't see it still ?! |
| 20:02 |
kakobrekla |
;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com |
| 20:02 |
gribble |
log.bitcoin-assets.com is up |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
;;isup bitbet.us |
| 20:02 |
gribble |
bitbet.us is up |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 20:02 |
mircea_popescu |
so does the internets work or doesn't it ?! i'm confused. |
| 20:02 |
kakobrekla |
qntra & trilema now works |
| 20:03 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla the weird thing is i saw the log syncing throughout. |
| 20:03 |
kakobrekla |
throughout what |
| 20:04 |
kakobrekla |
log1 does not feed of log(0) |
| 20:04 |
mircea_popescu |
throughout you not being able to see trilema o.O |
| 20:04 |
kakobrekla |
a |
| 20:04 |
kakobrekla |
well inbound != outbound |
| 20:05 |
kakobrekla |
anyway i refused to dance bananas and got paid 10 bux |
| 20:05 |
* |
kakobrekla will more often refuse things. |
| 20:05 |
mircea_popescu |
imagine what you could have made if you accepted! |
| 20:05 |
kakobrekla |
nothing! |
| 20:06 |
mircea_popescu |
i said imagine |
| 20:06 |
kakobrekla |
:p |
| 20:06 |
artifexd |
Trilema is up here now |
| 20:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22461 @ 0.00079407 = 17.8356 BTC [+] |
| 20:07 |
mod6 |
<@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96} << ??? |
| 20:07 |
kakobrekla |
collected over down period |
| 20:07 |
mod6 |
oh. ok. |
| 20:11 |
mircea_popescu |
catchup looks like |
| 20:14 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18359 @ 0.00079101 = 14.5222 BTC [-] {2} |
| 20:17 |
Pierre_Rochard |
preaching to the choir cazalla, I’d just like to see the damage to their nick if they ever registered in wot |
| 20:20 |
kakobrekla |
<mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site |
| 20:20 |
cazalla |
Pierre_Rochard, they won't ever register and yet someone like kyle torpey is now preaching bitcoin + pgp but isn't even in the wot to begin with |
| 20:20 |
Pierre_Rochard |
;;rate ktorp -1 “lost his key….” |
| 20:20 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ktorp has been recorded. |
| 20:20 |
kakobrekla |
;;gettrust ktorp |
| 20:20 |
gribble |
WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user ktorp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=ktorp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ktorp | Rated since: Tue Nov 13 20:06:45 2012 |
| 20:21 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/twitch-sexy-streamers-rule-change/ |
| 20:21 |
assbot |
Twitch is trying to change its image by banning sexy streamers |
| 20:22 |
cazalla |
well i guess i take that back lol |
| 20:22 |
Pierre_Rochard |
cazalla: well he may never register again haha |
| 20:23 |
Pierre_Rochard |
that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat) |
| 20:24 |
Pierre_Rochard |
;;rate cazalla 1 “http://qntra.net/“ |
| 20:24 |
gribble |
Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded. |
| 20:29 |
xiando |
mircea_popescu: I have never heard that tale before so I do not know, so sorry. Interesting tale, though. |
| 20:31 |
BingoBoingo |
%d |
| 20:31 |
atcbot |
[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 337540.40 in 923 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -28.11 |
| 20:32 |
BingoBoingo |
%p |
| 20:32 |
atcbot |
[PityThePool Hashrate]: 487.45 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s |
| 20:32 |
BingoBoingo |
%v |
| 20:32 |
atcbot |
[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 55 Ask: 150 Last Price: 46 30d-Vol: 2.99M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 61 |
| 20:36 |
BingoBoingo |
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XW2rWPsL--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/kfrfrpbhmgzwf8cngxsr.gif << Bezzel Rocket exploding on Doppler |
| 20:39 |
mircea_popescu |
kakobrekla> <mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site << when spitting out page titles ?! |
| 20:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<Pierre_Rochard> that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat) << i doubt anyone'd care enough to neg them, unless they did stupid shit |
| 20:41 |
kakobrekla |
http://dpaste.com/2BNFP71.txt < the line in the middle is not page title, if thats what you meant |
| 20:41 |
Pierre_Rochard |
mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for ‘trolling’ ? |
| 20:42 |
BingoBoingo |
<Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for trolling ? << Andreas has other sins |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
Pierre_Rochard why the fuck would he do that lol. |
| 20:43 |
mircea_popescu |
for one thing, he can't even rate before he gets rated, so it's moot |
| 20:43 |
Pierre_Rochard |
BingoBoingo: exactly. Joining WoT would bring the skeletons out. Best for him to try to discredit it from afar |
| 20:43 |
Pierre_Rochard |
mircea_popescu: huh, I didn’t know that, interesting |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. how far is that gonna go lol, |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
works now |
| 20:44 |
mircea_popescu |
and for that matter, why would anyone imagine negratings from nobody do anything |
| 20:45 |
xiando |
I am just guessing here, but if I rate mircea_popescu 10 bought what SEC doesn't like from him ten times and SEC sends out nastly letters like they did the last few days |
| 20:46 |
xiando |
then I could negrate mircea_popescu and hope he gets upset and negrates me? |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
wait, what ?! |
| 20:46 |
xiando |
mircea_popescu: would negrating be a way to get good ratings with evidence away? |
| 20:46 |
bounce |
what are you on about? |
| 20:46 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform anyway, best i can discern some major routing thing blew at some point somewhere, lost some traffic. |
| 20:47 |
asciilifeform |
guessed as much |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando this somehow doesn't make sense. what do you mean "evidence away"? |
| 20:47 |
xiando |
seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. <- just guessing why someone would do that but I may be way off |
| 20:47 |
xiando |
but if it is a freshly created wot account then I am probably way wrong |
| 20:47 |
mircea_popescu |
xiando it's like, new kid in school, starts telling all the girls they're ugly, |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
not the best way to behave as a new guy. |
| 20:48 |
bounce |
such a person would get a bunch of negrates and drop below the threshold for giving ratings. |
| 20:48 |
* |
bounce wonders if unrating is affected by that |
| 20:48 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i dun think it is. |
| 20:48 |
nubbins` |
punkman i grabbed the file via curl instead of copypasta, all checks out |
| 20:49 |
nubbins` |
had to slightly modify regex for grabbing raw deed |
| 20:49 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` didja spend it ? |
| 20:50 |
nubbins` |
not yet |
| 20:50 |
nubbins` |
.balance |
| 20:50 |
nubbins` |
wut is it |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
so spend it! |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
Greetings. Sir or Madam. I am Mrs Aminatu Mariam, from South Sudan. I want to invest in your country Azibaijan and settle down there with my |
| 20:50 |
mircea_popescu |
family. I want to know more about your country if possible. << anyone looking for a south sudanese chick ? |
| 20:51 |
mircea_popescu |
http://41.media.tumblr.com/3fa616f430a223a8a2018cd9c86e3d76/tumblr_nar12dEilO1ti4ud8o7_500.jpg pic unrelated. |
| 20:52 |
mircea_popescu |
!up amantonop |
| 20:53 |
BingoBoingo |
Fuck, why does my neigborhood choose World Series time to become RF noisy. |
| 20:53 |
asciilifeform |
BingoBoingo: <--?--> |
| 20:54 |
BingoBoingo |
asciilifeform: Watching the game on broadcast TV. |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
^ if that isn't a standard symbol, it should be |
| 20:54 |
bounce |
because watching sports is your neighbourhood's preferred way to waste time and it obviously needs wireless to (re)transmit the signals |
| 20:54 |
asciilifeform |
('which causes which ?') |
| 20:54 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: TV antenna lives on roof. |
| 20:55 |
BingoBoingo |
Noise somewhere around is fucking up the reception. |
| 20:55 |
bounce |
so? think wifi for streaming or even video repeaters using the same ISM band |
| 20:55 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-options-are-back-at-ig-markets/ |
| 20:55 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Options Are Back At IG Markets | Qntra.net |
| 20:57 |
mircea_popescu |
http://31.media.tumblr.com/f369544d3ae21a39a45565f62561101a/tumblr_n18sv5U9VN1rwnxnho1_400.gif << options trader. |
| 20:58 |
jurov |
http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev (^^) but turdatron not added yet! |
| 20:58 |
asciilifeform |
congrats jurov! |
| 20:58 |
jurov |
only gpg signed message checking |
| 20:58 |
mircea_popescu |
o hey! |
| 20:58 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: UHF channel 43, 644-650 MHz |
| 20:59 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: can we crap in it yet? |
| 20:59 |
jurov |
yes. if you're in wot, you don't even need to register |
| 20:59 |
jurov |
only for receiving |
| 21:00 |
nubbins` |
https://blockchain.info/tx/08da464bf2037d36f7e4ac68f5fa9bc1dfc9c4cc707d446caaf5b51dcd6b87e4 if anyone is interested |
| 21:00 |
assbot |
Bitcoin Transaction 08da464bf2037d36f7e4ac68f5fa9bc1dfc9c4cc707d446caaf5b51dcd6b87e4 |
| 21:01 |
mircea_popescu |
nubbins` wd! |
| 21:02 |
mircea_popescu |
punkman first confirmative tx! |
| 21:02 |
* |
asciilifeform mailed in a turd |
| 21:02 |
bounce |
in that case, might be, oh, "gigabit" powerline things. the faster they go, the higher up in the spectrum their noise goes |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: borked ? |
| 21:03 |
jurov |
possibly |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: 'subscribe' dead too |
| 21:04 |
jurov |
"Invalid signature." grrr |
| 21:04 |
asciilifeform |
404 |
| 21:04 |
BingoBoingo |
bounce: Whatever it is if it doesn't stop by the 6th I might have to find it. |
| 21:06 |
jurov |
indeed the signature does not verify |
| 21:06 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30853 @ 0.00079397 = 24.4964 BTC [+] {2} |
| 21:06 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 21:07 |
asciilifeform |
verified great here... |
| 21:08 |
jurov |
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pYFPWdFD can you diff with this? |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
fucking lineendings. |
| 21:10 |
asciilifeform |
yours: cr/lf. |
| 21:11 |
mircea_popescu |
i think i'm in a hurricane over here. rain is more like a solid curtain than anything. |
| 21:12 |
amantonop |
. |
| 21:13 |
asciilifeform |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kTr-uLB_yw << mega-lol |
| 21:13 |
assbot |
- YouTube |
| 21:13 |
jurov |
it won't verify even with \n only |
| 21:14 |
asciilifeform |
verified fine here. |
| 21:15 |
jurov |
it's the same as in the tarball? |
| 21:15 |
* |
jurov looks |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
no |
| 21:15 |
asciilifeform |
that one had detached sig |
| 21:16 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3475 @ 0.00079407 = 2.7594 BTC [+] |
| 21:16 |
nubbins` |
also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system: |
| |
↖ |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/7cHR9UMB |
| 21:17 |
assbot |
[Bash] deed.sh - Pastebin.com |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform lol not bad. |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
http://pastebin.com/T2gaR6zp |
| 21:17 |
assbot |
[JavaScript] processdeed.js - Pastebin.com |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
^ node.js and a couple libs required |
| 21:17 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: i admit, i like practical jokes and stage magic |
| 21:17 |
nubbins` |
feel free to transmogrify |
| 21:17 |
mircea_popescu |
me too. |
| 21:18 |
mircea_popescu |
who doesn't, it's like chocolate. |
| 21:18 |
rithm |
i'm working on my own personal webtorrent thingy right now |
| 21:18 |
rithm |
it's node |
| 21:18 |
nubbins` |
usage: ./deed.sh DEED-ID |
| 21:18 |
jurov |
aab1f8ea8c7f131ff69dfa3b9437ba35531018be760132dd6373f41a591f6382 bitcoin-bitcoin-v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz << asciilifeform this line got split in the email |
| 21:18 |
nubbins` |
rithm i only started playing with node last week |
| 21:18 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: passed after that? |
| 21:19 |
* |
nubbins` shrugs |
| 21:19 |
nubbins` |
not bad so far |
| 21:19 |
mircea_popescu |
rithm not bad. |
| 21:19 |
jurov |
yes passes (with 2 spaces inbetween) |
| 21:20 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: let me try again with another gizmo |
| 21:20 |
jurov |
CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT |
| 21:20 |
assbot |
Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0M35QMB.txt ) |
| 21:20 |
mircea_popescu |
!b 1 |
| 21:21 |
nubbins` |
heh. |
| 21:21 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: ok how about that one |
| 21:22 |
jurov |
another discard.. in your outbox the line is not split? |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
nope. |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
wait |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
yes! |
| 21:22 |
asciilifeform |
'squirrelmail' also retarded. |
| 21:23 |
mircea_popescu |
don't hate it just because it uses STANDARD CLRLBLABLA^H^H^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@ |
| 21:23 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 21:24 |
rithm |
mircea_popescu this thing on HN today made me want my own http://joker.org |
| 21:24 |
assbot |
Joker.org | .torrent -> streamable video |
| 21:24 |
nubbins` |
CLRF IS THE STANDARD NEWLINE |
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| 21:24 |
rithm |
i assume it's overloaded by now |
| 21:24 |
nubbins` |
ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR |
| 21:24 |
rithm |
maybe it still works shrug |
| 21:26 |
jurov |
in kmail there's option "wordwrap at column:", guess it can be set in most editors |
| 21:26 |
asciilifeform |
and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet' |
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| 21:26 |
asciilifeform |
there was no line break retardation going in! |
| 21:26 |
jurov |
try leaving the body empty and put the mesg as first attachemnt |
| 21:26 |
decimation |
re: crypto gear << probably something that talks to this: https://www.viasat.com/files/assets/web/datasheets/KS-252_datasheet_008.pdf |
| 21:26 |
mircea_popescu |
attachment usually works. |
| 21:27 |
bounce |
well, no, there wasn't. forget the cr and the thing'd just sit there and beep. forget the lf and you'd eventually cut the paper. |
| 21:27 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: sent |
| 21:27 |
BingoBoingo |
So rf environment here calmed its bitch down |
| 21:28 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce so you are saying we're stuck computing on annimated typewriters because reasons ? |
| 21:29 |
asciilifeform |
'hysterical raisins' |
| 21:29 |
jurov |
nope, it did base64 encode it and put it as second attachment after empty text/plain part |
| 21:29 |
jurov |
/o\ |
| 21:30 |
bounce |
we more or less are, yes. except that those paper-driven things actually did stuff with the control codes and could produce accents in just 7 bits |
| 21:30 |
jurov |
guess it has to loop over all parts. |
| 21:30 |
mircea_popescu |
bounce i guess i best get my carwhip fixed then. |
| 21:30 |
bounce |
yes, get on with it |
| 21:31 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00078993 = 21.3281 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:31 |
jurov |
one needs email client that allows to disable linewrap and richtext |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
no rich text crap here |
| 21:31 |
asciilifeform |
and no wraps going in |
| 21:31 |
mircea_popescu |
... and thisis how jurov ended up rewriting the lighbulb. |
| 21:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.0007899 = 22.7886 BTC [-] |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey |
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| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
to avoid mutilation |
| 21:32 |
asciilifeform |
because retardation everywhere. |
| 21:32 |
jurov |
when i bruteforce scan all mime parts this one would pass |
| 21:32 |
bounce |
7bit ascii, line lengths within 80 cols or so. otherwise you end up with encodings and wraps and whatnots. |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ? |
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| 21:33 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: 80 cols << satoshi's original fails! |
| 21:33 |
mircea_popescu |
then decode check etc ? |
| 21:33 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh ground rule double. |
| 21:33 |
jurov |
it knows how to decode base64 that's not a problem |
| 21:34 |
mircea_popescu |
so then, emails can only be sent to list as base64'd signed matter. |
| 21:34 |
bounce |
properly decode the mime encoding crapola? quoted-printable and all that. |
| 21:34 |
jurov |
just i thought i don't need to scan all the (nested!) mime parts |
| 21:34 |
bounce |
haha. of course you have to do that. |
| 21:34 |
jurov |
srs, i now wonder what the dude that made the patch and supposedly maintains it, what he uses it for? |
| 21:34 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: must maintain compatibility to 1974! |
| 21:34 |
bounce |
you thought you could get off easy? not so fast. this is mime. |
| 21:35 |
mircea_popescu |
mime is such gunk |
| 21:35 |
jurov |
it did not support mime before at all |
| 21:35 |
asciilifeform |
this is reason #.... why it all needs to burn |
| 21:35 |
bounce |
that it is. but moreover email isn't bitwise consistent, which any cryptographic hash function requires |
| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
and all this bulcrap so some idiot somewhere can send... what was it even ? html emails ? |
| 21:36 |
decimation |
as I pointed out last night, 7-bit ascii has perfectly good SOM/EOM chars |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
because plain ascii is like naked people |
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| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 21:36 |
jurov |
stan can't you just paste it to mailx for now? |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits |
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| 21:36 |
mircea_popescu |
so quotable. |
| 21:36 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: i won't use mail clients. |
| 21:36 |
bounce |
mime aspires to be clothing worthy of an emperor. |
| 21:37 |
decimation |
so really it's not even ascii, it's tard-ascii which is a much less useful subset of ascii |
| 21:37 |
nubbins` |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54619107/Goldmund/bitcoin/support-bits.jpg |
| 21:37 |
asciilifeform |
the only kind available when the net is involved |
| 21:37 |
nubbins` |
^ i want my coffee to cost 3470 |
| 21:37 |
nubbins` |
subunit-of-the-month |
| 21:37 |
decimation |
what's that symbol? |
| 21:37 |
bounce |
oh sod off. what's with the spamming of that stupid picture? |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
a microscope. |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
19th. c. vintage |
| 21:38 |
asciilifeform |
with convenient ocular/hammer handle combo. |
| 21:38 |
nubbins` |
bounce you have inline images turned on? :0 |
| 21:38 |
decimation |
it looks like a wouff-hong http://www.arrl.org/ham-radio-history |
| 21:38 |
assbot |
Ham Radio History |
| 21:38 |
decimation |
" A Wouff Hong is a fictional tool used to "punish" Amateur Radio operators, who demonstrate poor operating practices." |
| 21:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://www.arrl.org/images/view/TIS/History/Wouff_Hong_1.jpg << looks like those 'dual dildos' |
| 21:40 |
BingoBoingo |
Two ground rule doubles in one inning??? |
| 21:40 |
decimation |
fun fact: usg banned ham radio during WWII |
| 21:40 |
decimation |
because! |
| 21:40 |
asciilifeform |
like all the other combatants. |
| 21:41 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation for obvious reasons neh ? |
| 21:41 |
nubbins` |
^ |
| 21:42 |
decimation |
sure, so if we have another war are they gonna ban the internet? |
| 21:42 |
nubbins` |
what do you think 8) |
| 21:42 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Nao Internet bans the war!!! |
| 21:42 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation certainly. |
| 21:42 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: reminds me of the first Stierlitz episode where he receives the enciphered message on shortwave |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: like everybody ever ? |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: nobody cancelled it even now |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
meanwhile on the internet, a) http://41.media.tumblr.com/d4a5ffd152980a413abf7f1d0f0abdd8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o2_500.jpg b) http://36.media.tumblr.com/dbd4d9a1b348445e33f187f8f22741e8/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o1_500.jpg c) http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c946b3d4bb98b0e1b4427b178f706ca/tumblr_n7n6vtIcBA1r59r91o4_500.jpg |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
dildotron! |
| 21:43 |
mircea_popescu |
note that the surprised face is midway :D |
| 21:43 |
asciilifeform |
operator's hands suggestively obscure the functional unit. |
| 21:44 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: indeed. if you have an interest in such stations, see this: http://www.numbersoddities.nl/ |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
Numbers stations home page |
| 21:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Oh, more Verizon shennanigans http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/verizon-bankrolled-news-site-bans-stories-on-spying-and-net-neutrality/ |
| 21:44 |
assbot |
Verizon-bankrolled news site bans stories on US spying and net neutrality | Ars Technica |
| 21:45 |
asciilifeform |
'The site has headlines such as "Why The Future Of Anonymous Browsing Lies In Hardware," ' << lol! even after 'kickstarter' threw out the turd? |
| 21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform "because user can't modify hardware as easily" ? |
| 21:45 |
decimation |
well obviously joe sixpack is going to design and reduce his own vhdl |
| 21:45 |
mircea_popescu |
the current problem of teh nsa is that future roi on baby exploits is dubious at best. |
| 21:46 |
mircea_popescu |
so very little incentive to design new stuff. |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
the future of asking people nicely to shoot themselves in the head, however, is bright! |
| 21:46 |
asciilifeform |
for some reason - they often oblige |
| 21:46 |
decimation |
what I find amusing watching snowden is that he clearly sees that unelected bureaucrats have 'stolen' power. Yet, he thinks that 'democracy' will actually reign sovereign! |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
funny how that works, huh. |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: what makes you think mr. s thinks? or even lives ? |
| 21:47 |
mircea_popescu |
people get these fixed ideas. |
| 21:47 |
decimation |
You mean like he's max headroom now? |
| 21:47 |
asciilifeform |
more osama than max |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
'historical fiction' |
| 21:48 |
decimation |
like, the constitution wasn't powerful enough to constrain bureaucrats, so maybe a constitutional remedy will fix it? |
| 21:48 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform doesn't he show up to conferences and shit ? |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
not afaik |
| 21:48 |
asciilifeform |
well, in a sense, via whorecam |
| 21:49 |
asciilifeform |
the way osama did. |
| 21:49 |
* |
mircea_popescu doesn't really care one way or another. |
| 21:49 |
decimation |
he appeared on google hangout last week: http://ethics.harvard.edu/event/lawrence-lessig-interviews-edward-snowden |
| 21:49 |
assbot |
Lawrence Lessig interviews Edward Snowden | Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics |
| 21:49 |
mircea_popescu |
let him get in the wot. |
| 21:49 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't care particularly much, except for sport |
| 21:49 |
decimation |
nah, he's pretty much a nobody |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
wait! is orlov alive ? |
| 21:50 |
decimation |
it's obvious he will be used as a figurehead that will represent yet another cause that deserves a usg teat |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
what if they replaced orlov with yarvin |
| 21:50 |
mircea_popescu |
and yarvin with that dead banker |
| 21:50 |
jurov |
asciilifeform: retry |
| 21:50 |
BingoBoingo |
Reason #8 to follow sports, Provides context for evaluating other pursuits one follows for the sport of it. |
| 21:51 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: retried (message in body) |
| 21:51 |
jurov |
line split again |
| 21:52 |
asciilifeform |
retried w/ attachment |
| 21:53 |
* |
BingoBoingo searches for conspiracies positing Matheny responsible for killing Taveras |
| 21:53 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00078988 = 20.5369 BTC [-] {2} |
| 21:53 |
jurov |
"Message signed by key which does not match message sender address" ohmy |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
retardation |
| 21:53 |
asciilifeform |
wtf does it matter from what email |
| 21:54 |
BingoBoingo |
WhatsApp, losing money http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/newly-facebook-owned-whatsapp-lost-roughly-200m-in-two-years/ |
| 21:54 |
assbot |
Newly Facebook-owned WhatsApp lost roughly $200M in 2 years | Ars Technica |
| 21:54 |
decimation |
BingoBoingo: how could it possibly 'gain money? |
| 21:54 |
asciilifeform |
usg donation? |
| 21:54 |
decimation |
like, they start $19 bn in the hole and the have an app? |
| 21:55 |
BingoBoingo |
decimation: Merit Washing? |
| 21:56 |
jurov |
btw.. what if someone takes your chicken.asc and uses it to spam the list? |
| 21:56 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: good point. let's serial # ? |
| 21:57 |
jurov |
we'll come to that later |
| 21:57 |
asciilifeform |
that or simply store hashes of msg |
| 21:57 |
asciilifeform |
and reject dupes |
| 21:58 |
BingoBoingo |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/feds-have-identified-searched-suspected-second-intelligence-leaker/ << Oh, USG not prosecuting leaker because of appearances |
| 21:58 |
assbot |
Feds have identified, searched suspected second intelligence leaker | Ars Technica |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
rectothermal inquest, rectothermal verdict, rectothermal sentence... |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
who's the 'third leaker' who leaked the impalement of the second ? |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Or they broke him, the Winston solution |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Yahoo is third leaker so... |
| 21:59 |
asciilifeform |
fourth |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Crafted disinfo? |
| 21:59 |
BingoBoingo |
Ah |
| 22:00 |
BingoBoingo |
4th is Yahoo |
| 22:00 |
decimation |
eh, it seems to me that usg has capitulated to reality |
| 22:00 |
decimation |
the reality that they can't keep secrets, that is |
| 22:00 |
* |
asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges. |
| 22:02 |
BingoBoingo |
Shhhh.... Poor form to say that when I'm pricing barges |
| 22:03 |
decimation |
oh, I can totally see them capitulate if it means they get a nanoslice of power in exchange |
| 22:03 |
BingoBoingo |
http://bargesandworkboatsforsale.com/barges-for-sale/30x36x3-sectional-barge-40000/ |
| 22:03 |
assbot |
30x36x3 sectional barge year unknown 3 sections 10x36x3 $40,000 for all 3 sections. | Barges and Work Boats for Sale |
| 22:04 |
jurov |
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html well..not exactly expected outcome |
| 22:04 |
jurov |
better set up the line wrap |
| 22:04 |
asciilifeform |
set up? |
| 22:05 |
jurov |
disable |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
it isn't enabled! |
| 22:05 |
asciilifeform |
what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ? |
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| 22:05 |
cazalla |
http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone |
| 22:05 |
assbot |
MIT Bitcoin Project Goes Live | Qntra.net |
| 22:06 |
jurov |
mhm |
| 22:11 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079429 = 14.8532 BTC [+] {2} |
| 22:12 |
nubbins` |
.deed http://dpaste.com/218ATYP.txt |
| 22:12 |
nubbins` |
oh |
| 22:12 |
jurov |
subscriptions now work.. and the above problems are prolly better to sleep on |
| 22:13 |
asciilifeform |
above problem should probably involve ascii-armoured gpgrams |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> decimation: Merit Washing? << actually 200mn is a gross understatement. |
| 22:13 |
decimation |
of the gains or losses? |
| 22:13 |
asciilifeform |
because i will -not- be dealing in mail client internals. |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
of the losses lol |
| 22:13 |
mircea_popescu |
what gains |
| 22:14 |
jurov |
just wrap the text before signing? |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
* asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges. <<< this because they understand how "the world" works. |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
wrap? |
| 22:14 |
jurov |
wordwrap |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
i will not be massaging code to fit in this mess either |
| 22:14 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: Well Whatsapp is a premium value loser for USG because of the large non-USian user population. Maybe ISIS has an account there. |
| 22:14 |
asciilifeform |
no, no, and no. |
| 22:14 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
does stan sound like a rambunctious bad boy or what |
| 22:15 |
* |
asciilifeform draws the line at coprophagia |
| 22:15 |
nubbins` |
lel |
| 22:15 |
decimation |
I'm trying to get an openbsd vm running for 'adult' platform |
| 22:15 |
mircea_popescu |
but all the other girls ate shit! |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
crackwhoring, codewhoring, every other depravity - sure. |
| 22:15 |
asciilifeform |
l0l |
| 22:15 |
nubbins` |
table=flipped |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
incidentally, i have nfi why the libtards keep going with the "x many people nobody gives a shit about have no access to clean water" |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
and the peculiar flavour of the articles, as if water were vented to outer space |
| 22:18 |
mircea_popescu |
it'd go a lot further if it read "three out of four black adults ate on average a pound of shit in 2013" |
| 22:18 |
BingoBoingo |
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/10/how_to_end_gamergate_a_divide_and_conquer_plan.html |
| 22:18 |
assbot |
How to end Gamergate: A divide-and-conquer plan. |
| 22:18 |
asciilifeform |
!s recycled food |
| 22:18 |
assbot |
17 results for 'recycled food' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=recycled+food |
| 22:19 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo lmao these dorks |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
'doxed' ! |
| 22:19 |
nubbins` |
http://cavirtexlawsuit.com/ |
| 22:19 |
assbot |
CAVIRTEX Class Action Lawsuit | The official class action lawsuit against CAVIRTEX |
| 22:19 |
decimation |
in london in the 19th century, most paupers drank straight from the thames |
| 22:19 |
nubbins` |
legitimatewebsite.com |
| 22:19 |
decimation |
generally they would let the turds settle to the bottom of a bucket before drinking |
| 22:19 |
asciilifeform |
spammershill.com |
| 22:19 |
decimation |
coinshit.edu |
| 22:19 |
nubbins` |
heh |
| 22:20 |
nubbins` |
the OFFICIAL class action lawsuit |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
lol. |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
as opposed to what, the officious class action ? |
| 22:20 |
nubbins` |
offer expires nov 1, send info today |
| 22:20 |
nubbins` |
What information do I need to provide to file a claim? |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
so i'm watching "nudist colon y of the dead". there should be an award for this level of forced humor |
| 22:20 |
nubbins` |
etc etc, "Other information that you feel is relevant" |
| 22:20 |
mircea_popescu |
"humor". |
| 22:20 |
nubbins` |
lel |
| 22:21 |
decimation |
actually 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous, owing to the deposits of arsenic in the water |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
!up sxejno |
| 22:22 |
asciilifeform |
'clean water' in india is quite dangerous << ??? - arsenic and shit cancel out in a burst of gamma ray ? |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation india actually has much less of a problem than shitafrica. |
| 22:22 |
sxejno |
thanks mircea |
| 22:22 |
mircea_popescu |
asciilifeform yes, because shit is mostly dead red cells |
| 22:23 |
jurov |
no that's piss |
| 22:23 |
mircea_popescu |
(shit cleans arsenic out of water throuigh roughly the same chemistry arsenic poisons live humans) |
| 22:23 |
asciilifeform |
bioscavenger! |
| 22:23 |
jurov |
red cells go to kidneys |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
jurov: i think mircea_popescu is speaking of bioscavenging |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
jurov nah, some hemoglobin clears through kidneys, but most goes to the colon |
| 22:24 |
decimation |
yeah, filtering water through lots of carbon is generally a good idea |
| 22:24 |
asciilifeform |
;;google bioscavenger |
| 22:24 |
gribble |
PharmAthene | Bioscavenger: <http://www.pharmathene.com/product-portfolio/bioscavenger>; The Center For Catalytic Bioscavenger Medical Defense Research: <http://usamricd.apgea.army.mil/apps/ICDU54/>; Army Seeks Development of Bioscavenger Prophylactics for ...: <http://globalbiodefense.com/2012/04/09/army-seeks-development-of-bioscavenger-prophylactics-for-chemical-nerve- (1 more message) |
| 22:24 |
mircea_popescu |
and incidentally, i live in the world's capital for arsenic poisoning |
| 22:25 |
decimation |
really? |
| 22:25 |
mircea_popescu |
myeah. |
| 22:28 |
sxejno |
so mircea, arsenic aside, but still on the topic of toxins, have you heard any more from the US SEC or whatever other agencies? |
| 22:29 |
mircea_popescu |
no, but in an amusing development every noob in the space has started pretending they got one too. |
| 22:30 |
sxejno |
ahaha |
| 22:30 |
sxejno |
none here, since early 2011 |
| 22:30 |
sxejno |
haha |
| 22:31 |
mircea_popescu |
where is here again ? |
| 22:31 |
BingoBoingo |
I still only have that one front door visit from the feds |
| 22:32 |
sxejno |
in the land of the free |
| 22:34 |
mircea_popescu |
sxejno what languages do you translate to/from ? |
| 22:36 |
sxejno |
haha, I could tell you, but you could find out if you know that much. |
| 22:36 |
TheNewDeal |
land of the free - is that sub-saharan africa? |
| 22:36 |
sxejno |
If you haven't found out in a few minutes I'll tell you |
| 22:38 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25099 @ 0.00078987 = 19.8249 BTC [-] |
| 22:38 |
jurov |
!up nara_narayana |
| 22:38 |
BingoBoingo |
Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968 |
| 22:38 |
assbot |
Gawker is toxic to brands who partner with them | adland.tv |
| 22:39 |
nara_narayana |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/us-hungary-internet-protest-idUSKBN0IH29M20141028 |
| 22:39 |
assbot |
Around 100,000 Hungarians rally for democracy as internet tax hits nerve| Reuters |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
!up nara_narayana |
| 22:40 |
mircea_popescu |
<BingoBoingo> Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968 << this is quite true, and not just of them. |
| 22:41 |
BingoBoingo |
mircea_popescu: I'm just amazed that in the battle ov Redditors vs. Shitty Journos, both sides are losing so profoundly |
| 22:42 |
nara_narayana |
it's rhetoric is degrading quickly on both sides |
| 22:42 |
nara_narayana |
*its |
| 22:43 |
nara_narayana |
one can only laugh |
| 22:43 |
BingoBoingo |
I mean Gawker particularly calls people out on harassment yet they wrote: http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people |
| 22:43 |
assbot |
Peter Thiel is totally gay, people |
| 22:44 |
nara_narayana |
what are you, homophobic? |
| 22:44 |
BingoBoingo |
No |
| 22:44 |
BingoBoingo |
Just Amazing to see cast iron implements call each other out on their composition |
| 22:44 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 22:45 |
thestringpuller |
amazing like south park |
| 22:45 |
assbot |
AMAZING COMPANY! |
| 22:45 |
jurov |
not composition, color |
| 22:45 |
sxejno |
so did you figure out my languages, mircea? |
| 22:45 |
nara_narayana |
should have put a /s |
| 22:45 |
BingoBoingo |
jurov: Well, sure |
| 22:46 |
jurov |
"you pot iron!" "you zamak!" |
| 22:46 |
assbot |
Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Y2PX2Z.txt ) |
| 22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 5 |
| 22:46 |
BingoBoingo |
Is black zamak a thing yet? |
| 22:47 |
mircea_popescu |
BingoBoingo no, it's how it works. |
| 22:48 |
mircea_popescu |
;;google translate nigger to russian |
| 22:48 |
gribble |
(google translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results. |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
(it's негр, for the record) |
| 22:49 |
decimation |
lol |
| 22:49 |
mircea_popescu |
негр цинка |
| 22:50 |
jurov |
αράπης (google said) |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
arapos |
| 22:50 |
assbot |
Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R2HB6W.txt ) |
| 22:50 |
BingoBoingo |
!b 3 |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
that means arab. it's how you say "slave" in romanian, incidentally. |
| 22:50 |
mircea_popescu |
because all romanians knew of slaves was through the arabic slaves of the medieval turks. |
| 22:51 |
jurov |
črnuh << somalian |
| 22:52 |
kakobrekla |
hey hey! |
| 22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
lol |
| 22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9T_SvPlb8w |
| 22:53 |
assbot |
Oci Ciornie - YouTube |
| 22:53 |
mircea_popescu |
guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai. |
| 22:56 |
undata |
"Like the immigrant Jews who created Hollywood a century ago, a gay investor has no way to fit into the old establishment." << pffffffff |
| 22:56 |
nara_narayana |
he is reading a script |
| 22:56 |
undata |
shit, I was scrolled up. That was from the Thiel article |
| 22:56 |
undata |
ah, not as scrolled as I thought. |
| 22:57 |
undata |
on a restaurant nearby someone spraypainted "gay is race" |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
undata wait, you disagree from experience about the gay fitting, or you're shocked and surprised that thiel may actually take your peculiar payment ? |
| 22:57 |
undata |
apparently trying to make the same idiotic point |
| 22:57 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: I disgree that it's worth mentioning |
| 22:57 |
mircea_popescu |
hm. |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
what else isn't worth mentioning ? |
| 22:58 |
nara_narayana |
sexual orientation, i would say |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
i mention it all the time! |
| 22:58 |
mircea_popescu |
or is it only for fags ? |
| 22:59 |
undata |
mircea_popescu: the writer is trying to cast himself as part of some team which Thiel brings some kind of social progress honor to |
| 22:59 |
undata |
the two people have nothing of note in common |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
ah that. well certainly. |
| 22:59 |
nara_narayana |
in matters such as this, i couldn't care less where you stick your penis |
| 22:59 |
mircea_popescu |
kinda the job of internet nobodies, innit ? "i saw x thing on google trends now i'm going to write about it in a vain but strongly held hope that mayhap the association may benefit me" |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
decentralized commercial copywriting, |
| 23:00 |
nara_narayana |
lol |
| 23:00 |
mircea_popescu |
how about http://41.media.tumblr.com/721f372d53619c48f717fd4e5ecee191/tumblr_msug1910Ri1sozibeo1_500.jpg nara_narayana ? |
| 23:00 |
nara_narayana |
lordy |
| 23:01 |
mircea_popescu |
Lycerion, ce din genuni rasari cu-o-ntreaga lume, nu cere semne si minuni care n-au chip si nume. |
| 23:05 |
decimation |
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ << "Recently, there was a thread on Reddit asking – Redditors Against Gay Marriage, What Is Your Best Supporting Argument? A Reddit user who didn’t understand how anybody could be against gay marriage honestly wanted to know how other people who were against it justified their position. ... It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against |
| 23:05 |
assbot |
I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex |
| 23:05 |
decimation |
gay marriage." |
| 23:05 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00078924 = 3.1593 BTC [-] |
| 23:05 |
thestringpuller |
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1132-open-letter-to-bitcoin-businesses-why-im-closing-my-accounts/ |
| 23:06 |
asciilifeform |
mircea_popescu: guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai << gets worse. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAxM5GixMM 2) (danger! bagpipe) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep0LMkJBBbs |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
Katusha - Ottoman Military Band and Red Army Choir - YouTube |
| 23:06 |
assbot |
_-_ - YouTube |
| 23:06 |
asciilifeform |
(1 - turks. 2 - jp) |
| 23:07 |
mircea_popescu |
lol manele katjusha |
| 23:08 |
mircea_popescu |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt1vQ81jNWw << one of the better such scenes. |
| 23:08 |
assbot |
Scene from "Casablanca" movie - YouTube |
| 23:14 |
TheNewDeal |
thestringpuller : oh isn't that speeshal |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
decimation: It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against << http://www.republibot.com/content/book-review-%E2%80%9C-star-diaries%E2%80%9D-stanislaw-lem-1971 >> grep 'eleventh voyage.' |
| 23:15 |
assbot |
BOOK REVIEW: The Star Diaries by Stanislaw Lem (1971) | Republibot |
| 23:15 |
asciilifeform |
(spoiler alert) |
| 23:21 |
decimation |
asciilifeform: interesting - it seems doctor who ripped this guy off |
| 23:22 |
asciilifeform |
in usa (?) they recently put out a film purporting to be a riff on his epic 'futurological congress' |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i have nfi how anyone even uses any of the sites in the gawker empire of crap. and incidentally tech crunch or mashable are exacly the same shit : exactly 0 comments, no content, just a bunch of pointless, flashy page elements. |
| 23:23 |
mircea_popescu |
i would be very surprised if the "top 10" blogs actually get any reads at all. |
| 23:23 |
asciilifeform |
advanced spamatronics. |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
srsly. |
| 23:24 |
thestringpuller |
woot woot |
| 23:24 |
thestringpuller |
world series is goin to game 7 |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
i mean watsapp lost money ? heh. all these derps only survive exactly on the myspace ticket : old people like ted turner have nfi what's what online, |
| 23:24 |
mircea_popescu |
and so they keep pouring money in. |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up bitspill_ |
| 23:25 |
mircea_popescu |
!up bitstein |
| 23:25 |
decimation |
if morality is only that which arouses sympathies - an each man has his own unique sentiment - how is moral discussion possible, given no constant set of assumptions to build upon? |
| 23:26 |
thestringpuller |
mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in. << 55 employees and purchased for 19 billion? |
| 23:26 |
thestringpuller |
;;calc 19000000000 / 55 |
| 23:26 |
gribble |
345454545.455 |
| 23:26 |
thestringpuller |
^- per capita? |
| 23:26 |
decimation |
they are very important people you see |
| 23:26 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation what constant set of assumption do we have in common ? |
| 23:26 |
thestringpuller |
if there were text book example for "The Case of Too Much Money" this would be in that chapter. |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
or for that matter, what constant set of assumptions do physicists have in common ? if discussion relied on constant assumptions, science'd be in principle impossible. |
| 23:27 |
decimation |
empricism |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
how is that constant ? |
| 23:27 |
mircea_popescu |
empiricism is about as constant as beauty. |
| 23:28 |
decimation |
no, I mean empricism is in principle impossible, not science |
| 23:28 |
mircea_popescu |
how do you distinguish ? |
| 23:29 |
mats_cd03 |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8522247 << hn is so disappointing sometimes |
| 23:29 |
assbot |
Smuggling Snowden Secrets | Hacker News |
| 23:30 |
mats_cd03 |
top comment conflates gpg with pgp, ten odd comments in a useless discussion about key exchange and comms over the same channel, five comments by a bunch of fucking dummies talking about key signing parties, and a few pumping keybase |
| 23:30 |
decimation |
that which can be synthesized without reference to sensory experience |
| 23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
mats_cd03 seems about par for the hnourse. |
| 23:31 |
mircea_popescu |
decimation so metaphysics ? |
| 23:31 |
decimation |
heh yeah I've been reading kant |
| 23:32 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00078752 = 10.9859 BTC [-] |
| 23:33 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00078861 = 15.5356 BTC [+] {2} |
| 23:37 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00079104 = 18.5103 BTC [+] {5} |
| 23:44 |
assbot |
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00079255 = 13.2158 BTC [+] |
| 23:48 |
asciilifeform |
hn << notice how the circus has all of the obligatory clowns, acrobats. including the inescapable shitgnomes pushing 'keybase' etc. |
| 23:48 |
ben_vulpes |
from the shitgnome lulzotron: https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/160 |
| 23:48 |
assbot |
Uploading private keys puts users at risk Issue #160 keybase/keybase-issues GitHub |
| 23:49 |
mircea_popescu |
o.O |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
" I'd like my secret key on multiple machines, and I don't know how to move it around easily." |
| 23:51 |
ben_vulpes |
"Although I agree that it's totally insecure, no matter how you sugar coat it--I really don't think it's a feature that should be removed." |
| 23:53 |
mircea_popescu |
he probably doesn't think windows is a feature that should be removed either. |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
here's a wack notion |
| 23:53 |
thestringpuller |
dude these comments are just |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine? |
| 23:53 |
thestringpuller |
these people exist? |
| 23:53 |
bounce |
"insecurity is a feature we should not remove" |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
can/will |
| 23:53 |
ben_vulpes |
wacky* |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
bounce: recall the 'null ciphers' in ssl et al |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
classic shitgnomery |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
'must give the option of shooting self in head' |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
never know when you might want to! |
| 23:54 |
asciilifeform |
esp. in the middle of a connection. |
| 23:55 |
mircea_popescu |
ben_vulpes yes. |
| 23:56 |
mircea_popescu |
you'll have to hack the checkpoints in |
| 23:56 |
ben_vulpes |
(also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl") |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out. |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
but this could be retarded - i don't actually know. |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
i don't see a problem with their going away. |
| 23:57 |
* |
ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here |
| 23:57 |
mircea_popescu |
and yes, they will mine, on their own chain, obviously. |
| 23:57 |
ben_vulpes |
that's what i suspected. |
| 23:58 |
ben_vulpes |
look at that! regtest mode implemented in configuration. no chainparams.cpp necessary. |
| 23:58 |
ben_vulpes |
(theoretically, ofc). |
| 23:59 |
thestringpuller |
!t h AM1 |
| 23:59 |
assbot |
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| 23:59 |
mircea_popescu |
!up Phoebus |